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| CD-R's Where do you buy? [message #68381] |
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| Re: CD-R's Where do you buy? [message #68457 is a reply to message #68381] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 10:18  |
Tom Bruhl
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> >> >put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I
> had
> >> >total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
> >encountered
> >> >until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at
all........just
> >> >lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
> >> >system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to
> be
> >> >sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS
> >handed
> >> >to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use
and
> >> I'm
> >> >expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS like
> >you
> >> >can with Windows? I'm curious.
> >> >
> >> >Regards,
> >> >
> >> >Deej
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:44934f4e$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've
said
> >> so
> >> >here
> >> >> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to
compare
> >> a
> >> >> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing
structures.
> >> >The
> >> >> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap
> gray
> >> >dash.
> >> >> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying
> for
> >> it
> >> >> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
> >> >aluminum
> >> >> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of
> the
> >> >Mac!
> >> >> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
> >quantities
> >> >> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five
> >times
> >> >> more than Cadillacs.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac,
> >such
> >> >> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not
much
> >> time
> >> >> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC
> >guys
> >> >> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
> >> >conflicts,
> >> >> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
> If
> >> >> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to
> go
> >> >searching
> >> >> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
> >> >program,
> >> >> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for
Anti
> >> >Spyware
> >> >> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus
software
> >> is
> >> >> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
> >> >internet
> >> >> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a
> PC,
> >> >what
> >> >> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a
security
> >> >administrator.
> >> >> Macs are harder to hack.
> >> >>
> >> >> The united States Navy, Hues aircra
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| Re: CD-R's Where do you buy? [message #68463 is a reply to message #68457] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 10:59 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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I was wrong about 4 head cards being
>available
>> for the Mac. In the past at MacWorld I saw a company with a 4 head card,
>> I think it may have been Tatung, I don't remember, I also saw a 4 head
>card
>> at a Matrox presentation for the RTMac. I've been under the impression
>that
>> Matrox had a 4 head card for the Mac, but after looking I seen nothing
on
>> their sight.
>> I was also under the impression that Dual Link DVI cards could support
4
>> monitors with Y cables, but I my be wrong on that one too.
>>
>> However, you can add multiple video cards to a Mac and extend the desk
>top.
>>
>> Here is another option for the Mac, Zenview.
>>
>> http://digitaltigers.com/index.shtml?gclid=CMC6sbv5zYUCFRd4S AodLUdAow
>>
>> http://www.digitaltigers.com/sidecar-mac.shtml
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:44936c3c$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Well, yes and no. Would it be the same exact system for the same kind
>> of
>> >> money, no. Obviously your system is quite unique, so I think it is
a
>> >little
>> >> unfair to ask if I could duplicate it exactly. I think you could have
>> a
>> >> similar setup with all Macs and I think it would work a lot more
>problem
>> >> free. Price never seems the be too much of an object, so here it is.
>> >>
>> >> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz) you could also
>> >upgrade
>> >> to 1.8GHz G4 for more power. The G4 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
>> >>
>> >> Add a dual monitor PCI card for four monitors expanded desk top. Or
>you
>> >> could add a four head AGP card and save a PCI slot.
>> >>
>> >> Add Magma for 13 PCI slots this would give you up to 15 PCI slots.
>> >>
>> >> You can install 2GB of memory in the G4 and 4 HDs, plus external FW
>HDs.
>> >> 16GB of memory in the G5. You also have Gigabit Ethernet on both
>> >machines
>> >> standard, that might come in handy. You also have FireWire as an
>option
>> >> for audio I/O, and DSPs. FW actually works on a Mac.
>> >>
>> >> SX machine G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 16 GB of RAM, FW 400 & FW 800, USB 2,
>dual
>> >> HDs, dual head video, if you needed more monitors you could add a 4
>head
>> >> AGP or add a dual PCI-E card.
>> >>
>> >> Add the Magma and add your cards.
>> >>
>> >> You can delete all the software you don't want. If your talking about
>> >stripping
>> >> out the system software, I wouldn't do it!, but there are people that
>> can.
>> >> You can simply turn off the extensions on the O/S 9 machine, or you
>can
>> >> throw the stuff away you don't want like the printer drivers or
>language
>> >> libraries, etc.
>> >>
>> >> I think it would work, and I think you would find in time, that it
>would
>> >> work trouble free for the most part. I think it would be rock solid
>and
>> >> run smooth. But I think your system works for you, so why change.
>> >>
>> >> James
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >>PC guys
>> >> >>here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
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| Re: CD-R's Where do you buy? [message #68468 is a reply to message #68457] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 14:42 |
dc[3]
Messages: 895
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ocks! Figure about $100.00
a
>> >> >program,
>> >> >> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for
>Anti
>> >> >Spyware
>> >> >> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus
>software
>> >> is
>> >> >> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on
the
>> >> >internet
>> >> >> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on
a
>> PC,
>> >> >what
>> >> >> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a
>security
>> >> >administrator.
>> >> >> Macs are harder to hack.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of
>operation
>> >> >studies
>> >> >> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to
>maintain
>> >> and
>> >> >> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
>> >> >administrate.
>> >> >> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business
>> is
>> >> >lower
>> >> >> with macs.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time
>> >saved
>> >> >> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to
a
>> >Windows
>> >> >> box!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I say use what works for you.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> James
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >OK, my turn...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>FADE IN:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>> >> >> >>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>> >> >> >>standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>MAC
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Hi, I'm a Mac.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>PC
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>And I'm a PC.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>MAC
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>> >> >> >>like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>PC
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>> >> >> >>much as a PC?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>MAC
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >FADE TO BLACK
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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| Re: CD-R's Where do you buy? [message #68475 is a reply to message #68468] |
Mon, 22 May 2006 00:39 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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g more data. It has to do with the design of the processor. The G4
>also had more L1,L2, and L3 cache, which boosted performance. This created
>the industry term, The Megahertz Myth. Clock speed was not the only determining
>factor in proformance. AMD also jumped on this. Because of AMD's designs,
>they started rating their processors by stating that they were the equivalent
>to a higher speed Pentium 4 processor, even though the clock speed was slower
>than the P4.
>
>A lot of people say it's a lie, that if a computer has a faster CPU than
>it is faster. The truth is, clock speed is not the only factor in how fast
>a computer can process a task.
>
>We could debate it until the cows come home, but I think we have better
things
>to do.
>
>
>By the way here is a couple of Ideas for your old G4; )
>
>/Users/jamesmccloskey/Desktop/g4mailboxauckland.jpg
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>/Users/jamesmccloskey/Desktop/g4planter.jpg
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>James
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:44936c3c$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Well, yes and no. Would it be the same exact system for the same kind
>of
>>> money, no. Obviously your system is quite unique, so I think it is a
>>little
>>> unfair to ask if I could duplicate it exactly. I think you could have
>a
>>> similar setup with all Macs and I think it would work a lot more problem
>>> free. Price never seems the be too much of an object, so here it is.
>>>
>>> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz) you could also
>>upgrade
>>> to 1.8GHz G4 for more power. The G4 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
>>>
>>> Add a dual monitor PCI card for four monitors expanded desk top. Or
you
>>> could add a four head AGP card and save a PCI slot.
>>>
>>> Add Magma for 13 PCI slots this would give you up to 15 PCI slots.
>>>
>>> You can install 2GB of memory in the G4 and 4 HDs, plus external FW HDs.
>>> 16GB of memory in the G5. You also have Gigabit Ethernet on both
>>machines
>>> standard, that might come in handy. You also have FireWire as an option
>>> for audio I/O, and DSPs. FW actually works on a Mac.
>>>
>>> SX machine G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 16 GB of RAM, FW 400 & FW 800, USB 2,
dual
>>> HDs, dual head video, if you needed more monitors you could add a 4 head
>>> AGP or add a dual PCI-E card.
>>>
>>> Add the Magma and add your cards.
>>>
>>> You can delete all the software you don't want. If your talking about
>>stripping
>>> out the system software, I wouldn't do it!, but there are people that
>can.
>>> You can simply turn off the extensions on the O/S 9 machine, or you
can
>>> throw the stuff away you don't want like the printer drivers or language
>>> libraries, etc.
>>>
>>> I think it would work, and I think you would find in time, that it would
>>> work trouble free for the most part. I think it would be rock solid
and
>>> run smooth. But I think your system works for you, so why change.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >>PC guys
>>> >>here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>>> >conflicts,
>>> >>dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
> If
>>> >>you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>>> >
>>> >OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could set
>up
>>> >two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
>>> >everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to
know.
>>> My
>>> >Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
>>> >(neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
>>> >
>>> >You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and
>it
>>> >will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads..
>The
>>> >Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G
>>CPU,
>>> 4
>>> >G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate Magma
>>> >chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1
>>Magma)
>>> >and three video heads.
>>> >
>>> >I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC,
>>(properly
>>> >meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly did
>>not
>>> >put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I
>had
>>> >total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
>>encountered
>>> >until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at all........just
>>> >lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
>>> >system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to
>be
>>> >sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS
>>handed
>>> >to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use
and
>>> I'm
>>> >expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS like
>>you
>>> >can with Windows? I'm curious.
>>> >
>>> >Regards,
>>> >
>>> >Deej
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:44934f4e$1@linux...
>>> >>
>>> >> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said
>>> so
>>> >here
>>> >> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare
>>> a
>>> >> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
>>> >The
>>> >> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap
>gray
>>> >dash.
>>> >> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying
>for
>>> it
>>> >> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
>>> >aluminum
>>> >> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of
>the
>>> >Mac!
>>> >> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
>>quantities
>>> >> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five
>>times
>>> >> more than Cadillacs.
>>> >>
>>> >> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac,
>>such
>>> >> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much
>>> time
>>> >> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth?
PC
>>guys
>>> >> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>>> >conflicts,
>>> >> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
> If
>>> >> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need
to
>go
>>> >searching
>>> >> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00
a
>>> >program,
>>> >> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for
Anti
>>> >Spyware
>>> >> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software
>>> is
>>> >> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
>>> >internet
>>> >> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on
a
>PC,
>>> >what
>>> >> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
>>> >administrator.
>>> >> Macs are harder to hack.
>>> >>
>>> >> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
>>> >studies
>>> >> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain
>>> and
>>> >> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
>>> >administrate.
>>> >> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business
>is
>>> >lower
>>> >> with macs.
>>> >>
>>> >> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time
>>saved
>>> >> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>>> >>
>>> >> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a
>>Windows
>>> >> box!
>>> >>
>>> >> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>>> >>
>>> >> I say use what works for you.
>>> >>
>>> >> James
>>> >>
>>> >> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >OK, my turn...
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>FADE IN:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>>> >> >>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>>> >> >>standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>MAC
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>Hi, I'm a Mac.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>PC
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>And I'm a PC.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>MAC
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>>> >> >>like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>PC
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>>> >> >>much as a PC?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>MAC
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >FADE TO BLACK
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
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