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OK......Can I do this with Wormhole? [message #59722] Sun, 30 October 2005 17:10 Go to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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s/byte/30-bootloader/" target="_blank">http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/
>>>>>>>http://www.itjungle.com/mid/mid022702-story06.html
>>>>>>>http://www.mv-voice.com/morgue/2003/2003_09_26.bisi.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Meanwhile OSX has been steadily improving and has some good stuff.

>>>>>>>Oddly
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I ran Logic all day today in a project that was crashing left and

>>>>>>>right
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>last time I worked on that project. It didn't crash once today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So I don't know, maybe it's not a Logic problem. It may have to do
Re: OK......Can I do this with Wormhole? [message #59730 is a reply to message #59722] Sun, 30 October 2005 20:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: OK......Can I do this with Wormhole? [message #59750 is a reply to message #59722] Mon, 31 October 2005 02:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dimitrios is currently offline  Dimitrios   
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>> >> put a<BR>=3D3D<BR>><BR>> >>> > =3D
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>> >> >>> > native<BR>> >>> > effect on any =3D
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>> >> get<BR>> >>> > assertion<BR>> =3D
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>> >> Regards,<BR>> >>> > Dimitrios<BR>> =3D20
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Re: OK......Can I do this with Wormhole? [message #59756 is a reply to message #59750] Mon, 31 October 2005 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: OK......Can I do this with Wormhole? [message #59759 is a reply to message #59750] Mon, 31 October 2005 10:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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>> !!<BR>> Amazing stereo result with complete mono =
>>compatibility ,=20
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Re: OK......Can I do this with Wormhole? [message #59772 is a reply to message #59759] Tue, 01 November 2005 01:29 Go to previous message
Dimitrios is currently offline  Dimitrios   
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ook at the book now and see the numbers, I'm currently, in my new place,
and the new NG home (with the server now in, oddly enough, my kitchen ;o),
just inside the 5km circle. What's more, I'm north of the city, and the greater
percentage of the band scene is north of the city here in Melbourne. Not
all that much happens in the CBD itself. In Melbourne things are centred
around the inner suburbs, which is where I haven't been, but now am... ;o)

Tonight I caught a bus a fraction west, to one of the many epecentres of
Melbounre music, Brunswick, and saw a guy from work play his first ever
original gig at the Brunswick Hotel. It cost me $3.10, maybe $2 U.S. return.
At my last place a taxi home only would be probably $60aus from this venue.
I've already caught the local tram twice to various events. The tram heads
south to the city. Tonight was the first time I caught the west bound bus.
South and west are pretty much the only directions I need to go ;o). East
are cover bands ;oP. North are people who don't care about music. ;o) The
furthest music venues from me now are in St Kilda, which is south of the
city, and on the bay/beach, but still in the 5km radius. A taxi from there
would still be far cheaper than it was to my last place, and most of the
time I would be able to catch a tram or two or something...

It is, as they say, all good. ;o)

The only bad thing I have noted, apart from my studio not having space for
an actual band anymore, is that the power here seems to be 5 volts higher
and hence my UPS for the NG server keeps clicking and complaining, and the
server has actually hung twice (shhhh... don't tell anyone, nobody has noticed...
;o) but the good news is my brother has found the software for the UPS (yes
Rick he's done something good! ;o) and I may be able to correct the issues
without undue expense...

My point is, though, that I've moved from a boring outer suburb into a fantastic
inner suburb, and it ROCKS!! I haven't even told you about the great Indian
and Tibetan food I've discovered!!!

Honestly, I'm lovin it.

I was just realising earlier...

Over the last ten to fifteen years, I've changed from some dude who liked
the typical local beer and commerial music, to someone who has taste in food,
music, beer, whatever. At no particular point I made a choice, and this new
home is, largely, the culmination of that journey.

It's great to be able to choose what to play, what not to play, what to watch,
etc, without having to answer to anyone.

Tomorrow I'm going down to the RRR BBQ. RRR being one of the local community
subscriber radio stations to which I subscribe (and love). I can catch the
bus for $3.10 again. At my last place I would have stayed at home and heard
it over the radio... now will be there in person.

I so much feel like I'm in the middle. In fact, I finally am.

And, sorry Martin ;o), but Melbourne really is the cultural centre of Australia.
;o) It's so good to be in close to the place where everything's happening.

This has been a long long post... ;o)

But gee, I'm so happy with my decision.

Now I just need to buy a place in here. ;o)

There's still some tweakin to do to get the NG running perfectly in the new
place. It's getting there though. It's only hung twice. ;o) If we go offline
you know why. ;o)

I'll buy a new UPS if I need to. It's all worth it.

Cheers,
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Dimitrios,
Sorry I had a gig last night. Do as Erling suggested regarding =
rendering
all tracks and copying to a new folder. Start a new Paris project and =
call
it something different. Go to audio window and import all newly =
rendered
files you need. Set a new record path too. Make sure saves work after =
each step. =20
In original project make sure all effects being used have been saved =
individually. In old project
copy all mixer settings in Mixer A (You discovered this last week!), =
open new project and paste=20
all mixer settings in its Mixer A. Try to save right after this and =
every step. Close Mixer A in new project
then reopen it. This should make all the plugins 'appear'. Just a =
quirky Paris thing.
Now get those presets working in each plugin. Try a save. If all is =
well do these same steps
across all Submixes until all Mixers/plugins are the same as original =
project. Try a save.
Now might be a good time to try your stereo plugin that causes your =
problem in the old
project. If after it's installed in the new one, you can save then =
you're almost out of the woods.

If you were using automation you will need to copy that too. Go to =
Automation Editor A in old project.
Select Volume, Set Now Line to beginning of project. Use 'Select All' =
command or drag
across all 16 tracks with mouse to highlight everything. Control C =
(copy). Go to new project,
put Now Line at beginning of project in Automation Editor and make sure =
active track is the first one that was active
on the old project when copying. Otherwise your data may paste a track =
or two off. The effects
return automation has to be done separately from tracks. After this, go =
to original project and select Mute.
Copy paste etc.. Repeat these steps on all auto editors that were being =
used.

It sounds harder than it really is. Remember to try saving between each =
step in new project.
If at any time it doesn't want to save, you have found out why there is =
a problem. Possibly
an unknown bug. =20

Good luck. You'll be a better man for it!
Tom


"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43918529@linux...
Dimitros

My way of doing this is:
Have Paris closed,
make a new folder on the audio harddisk with Explorer or something=20
similar(I'm using TotalCommander).
Copy ONLY waves or/and PAF files from the old project into the new =
folder.
Start a new project in Paris.
Import from the new folder all the Waves and PAF files you need into =
the new=20
project and set the path to the new project.
In Ediit menu, set the files into the subgroups and channels you wish.
Now you have a new project without any old, saved information at all =
to=20
start from scratch.
It's important that all files are rendered to start from zero in the =
old=20
project.

If this doesn't help and the earlier rendered stereofiles have =
absolutelly=20
correct lenghts, I can't think of other things than plugin problems.

Hope this can help to explain my way of doing something with this kind =
of=20
problems.

Erling

"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> skrev i melding =
news:43917c01$1@linux...
>
>
> Sory if I ask much but the way I do the project rebuild does not =
help.
> How do you do a rebuild ?
> I just go to audio folder export audio objects or wave files under a =
new
> folder then save the new song and then reopen from new folder.
> I guess you might refer to something different here right ?
> Can you explain your way ?
> Thanks
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Dimitrios,
>>I agree with Erlilo. Try different channels or a different
>>submix if you can. Otherwise rebuilding the mix from
>>scratch in a new project is the next best bet. Copy all
>>mixer settings and presets of effects to make it easier.
>>Tom
>>
>>
>>
>> &quo
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