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| I just can't seem to help doing stuff like this [message #92722] |
Wed, 14 November 2007 21:30  |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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t;>> :-)
>>>
>>> We don't have to go on with this - probably enough OT threads for this
week.
>>> Email me offline if you prefer. I think I've about exhausted my time
>>> allocation for OT this month. ;-))
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 1/9/08 11:15 PM, in article 4785a9ef$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cont: I'm a big supporter of the Bill and Melinda Gates (re-inventing
>> ) the
>>>> US educational system. It's horrible.
>>>>
>>>> My wie and I are agonising over what school to send our baby (2 year
)
>> old
>>>> when shes turns five(school age). These suburban schools a horrible.
The
>>>> kids lack manners. Are having sex (in school). Cursing out the teachers.
>>>> Girls dress like strippers. Horrible. When we invested into this community,
>>>> we did not expect the local school system to be this bad.
>>>> ANd, we're told the private schools are not that much better.
>>>>
>>>> BUT, do i want to kill public education. For it's ills, there still
students
>>>> in this nation who are "learning". Can it improve, yes..
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of the goverment throwing more money..Well, your President
(Bush)
>>>> has underfunded the No Child Left Behind program big time. Then, stole
>> major
>>>> funding to our public universities, while letting Predatory Student
>>>> loan(sharks)
>>>> have their way and in-debt students for life..(I digress) :)
>>>>
>>>> What's really broke is America. Our Gov has has been (for the last 20
>> years)
>>>> made a concerted effort to dumb us all down andslow down technology
in
>> the
>>>> name of NAtional Security. We so behind in so many areas it's saddening
>> to
>>>> think about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> I only read part of the originally posted transcript and don't know
RP's
>>>>
>>>>> views on race personally (and
>>>>> neither does anyone else apparently) so he may or may not have views
>> we
>>>>
>>>>> would all object to,
>>>>> but just have to interject that just saying someone's "good ole boy
>>>>> politics" makes them racist
>>>>> is in itself stereotyping and just as prejudiced
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| Re: I just can't seem to help doing stuff like this [message #92723 is a reply to message #92722] |
Thu, 15 November 2007 01:15  |
steve the artguy
Messages: 308
Registered: June 2005
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>>>>>
>>>>> His reasoning for getting rid of the Department of Education may well
>> be
>>>>
>>>>> because it is failing
>>>>> to do it's job (I don't know if getting rid of it is the solution,
but
>>>>> keeping it "status quo" is not, for certain).
>>>>> Charter schools, private and alternative approach schools are significantly
>>>>
>>>>> more
>>>>> successful currently (I have inside info to know this).
>>>>>
>>>>> Lamont, I worked with an entrepreneur (and his partner company) trying
>> to
>>>>
>>>>> change the education system from the inside out,
>>>>> starting with inner city schools. Did you know that urban schools
across
>>>>
>>>>> the US have an average
>>>>> of 80% student population falling below a basic proficiency level?
That's
>>>>
>>>>> basic reading and math - 80%
>>>>> are below a very basic level - not a higher than realistic level, but
>> a
>>>>
>>>>> lower than realistic level.
>>>>> I don't recall all of the stats, but it blew me away just how bad the
>>>>> education system is. Atlanta is in terrible shape.
>>>>> Others are doing poorly as well. These are their stats from schools
>>>>> systems, not political parties.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who's failure is that? Politicians in Washington? Not unless teachers,
>>>>
>>>>> community leaders and parents
>>>>> look to Washington for instruction when they get up each morning.
No,
>> it's
>>>>
>>>>> a public problem that
>>>>> "we the people" are ignoring, and it's hard to not put a bit of
>>>>> responsibility on the students for just
>>>>> not caring enough to try harder. All the money in the world can't
make
>>>>
>>>>> someone want to learn. To
>>>>> the support of students who haven't had a chance, my friend's program
>> aims
>>>>
>>>>> to correct learning problems
>>>>> that are holding a lot of kids back - and it works - but he estimates
>> 20
>>>>
>>>>> years to work through the
>>>>> red tape and establishment that is the current public school system.
>> Doing
>>>>
>>>>> away with it just might
>>>>> save a few hundred thousand kids. They are already working with over
>> 80,000
>>>>
>>>>> in a private school system
>>>>> (can't get access to public schools....).
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:47855784$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Bill, when Russert pressed RP on his past voting, writen views
on
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| Re: I just can't seem to help doing stuff like this [message #92729 is a reply to message #92722] |
Thu, 15 November 2007 07:31 |
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om/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a
>>>>>>>>> 7d
>>>>>>>>> a84ca
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is not good...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>Hey Lamont, There are tens of thousands of public schools and only a
small number of them are in "inner cities" (isn't that a code word for
depressed racial minority areas?). Even supposing Ron Paul is talking
about inner city schools (which I don't believe he is), do you think the
inner city schools are doing a super wonderful job? For that matter do
you think inner city life is so fantastic we should press on with the
highly successful status quo?
Personally the last time I was in the South Bronx or Watts or even parts
of St Petersburg Florida, I didn't want to move there. Could it be that
the "solutions" have not worked? Eventually every solution can become a
problem if relied on too long. Maybe a real change that suits the
current conditions is needed, not just more of the same.
From my experience any solution that tried to address a mass of people
at once will fail because everybody is unique. Change is made by
treating every person as an individual and helping them to improve their
life, to reach their dreams and to build their own unique future.
Attempts to help whole groups end up specializing in problems,
especially old problems. When you specialize in problems, you only get
more of them and you get people experiencing the same old problems over
and over again.
When you specialize in creating the future you get an intentionally
created future and it can be new and brilliant and a lot of fun to be in.
LaMont wrote:
> Hey Bill, when Russert pressed RP on his past voting, writen views on domestic
> issues, they were in line with the good O'l boy politics. When questioned
> about those thngs he tried to deny saying them and voting or even supporting
> those controversial views.
>
> One comment was: To do away with the Department of Education: Code word for:
> getting rid of public (Inner city) education..
>
> While, I agree with his stance on the current administration and the so-called
> war, I disagree with his kind of politics in general, which is old Texas
> style politics..
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> Lamont,
>>
>> What are the code words? What did he actually say? I want to know those
>
>> words.
>>
>> Where did he say he wants to take the US back to 1940 on race relations?
>
>> I did not catch that.
>>
>> What I have heard him say is that he does not believe in addressing
>> problems of groups, but that it should be of individuals. I agree with
>> that. Any effort to lump people together as group, whether it be racial,
>
>> religious, political or sexual generates generalities that may or may
>> not apply. Only specific truths and viewpoints lead to solutions.
>>
>>
>> LaMont wrote:
>>> Being a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the code word
>>> of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When interviews by
> Russert,
>>> he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on about
> his
>>> past voting record and writings, he got angry and then "cracked"..
>>>
>>> He's a Texan Reacist. Period. Yeah, h
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: I just can't seem to help doing stuff like this [message #92737 is a reply to message #92722] |
Thu, 15 November 2007 09:48 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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this
>>>> cause, so it isn't idle speculation or personal frustration, and the
>>>> solution isn't even in the ballpark of a government program, policy,
> or
>>>> program. There are simple solutions that could improve the quality of
>>>> education for each child in this country, but due to the complexity and
>>>> sluggish nature of our education system (being federally tied), it will
>>> take
>>>> decades to make a dent, if at all. I've seen the program work - it's
>>>> phenomenal and could do what no amount of federal funding could, and
> for
>>>> pennies per child, if not free. That's where personal/private innovation
>>> is
>>>> drastically more effective than waiting for a government to solve a problem.
>>>>
>>>> For additional reference, my son goes to an alternative public school
> (IB
>>>> program) and it is excellent. Granted, at the elementary level, problems
>>>> aren't as bad as higher grades (though there are exceptions). I attended
>>>> schools in all parts of our home town (as a product of bussing) suburban
>>> and
>>>> urban - some were good, some were just okay (5 different ones due to
> our
>>> 2
>>>> year system, from first to 12th grade). That was a few years ago, and
>>>> people have changed; society has changed. Problems are more widespread
>>> at
>>>> earlier ages. Is that the government's fault for not throwing more money
>>> at
>>>> the problem? No, it's a failure at the family and individual level,
> which
>>>> transfers to every job and responsibility taken by any individual in
> a given
>>>> community or society. No one from federal or local governments, or local
>>>> school systems is encouraging young teenagers to become pregnant, shoot
>>> one
>>>> another, or take drugs. That happens as a product of society and becomes
>>> a
>>>> part of every aspect of that society. We can make better opportunities
>>> and
>>>> better environments with enough money, but it only lasts so long. Schools
>>>> that are now problematic, were probably great 20 years ago. Might be
>>>> interesting to check the test scores and pass/fail rates for the history
>>> of
>>>> the school in your neighborhood.
>>>>
>>>> If you check what Ron Paul and the Republican Liberty Caucus proposes,
> it's
>>>> abolishing the Federal Department of Education - leaving schools to be
>>>> managed at the state and local levels, which the pretty much already
> are.
>>>> I'm not making a statement either way - just clarifying the facts and
> the
>>>> realities of what causes problems in society.
>>>>
>>>> We are fast becoming a bleeding heart, woe-is-me country of victims rather
>>>> than innovators and problem solvers. Handouts never work - we've all
> heard
>>>> the Chinese proverb - "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
> Teach
>>>> a man to fish and you feed him for a life
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| Re: I just can't seem to help doing stuff like this [message #92740 is a reply to message #92722] |
Thu, 15 November 2007 12:43 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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>> My wie and I are agonising over what school to send our baby (2 year
> )
>>> old
>>>>> when shes turns five(school age). These suburban schools a horrible.
> The
>>>>> kids lack manners. Are having sex (in school). Cursing out the teachers.
>>>>> Girls dress like strippers. Horrible. When we invested into this community,
>>>>> we did not expect the local school system to be this bad.
>>>>> ANd, we're told the private schools are not that much better.
>>>>>
>>>>> BUT, do i want to kill public education. For it's ills, there still
> students
>>>>> in this nation who are "learning". Can it improve, yes..
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking of the goverment throwing more money..Well, your President
> (Bush)
>>>>> has underfunded the No Child Left Behind program big time. Then, stole
>>> major
>>>>> funding to our public universities, while letting Predatory Student
>>>>> loan(sharks)
>>>>> have their way and in-debt students for life..(I digress) :)
>>>>>
>>>>> What's really broke is America. Our Gov has has been (for the last 20
>>> years)
>>>>> made a concerted effort to dumb us all down andslow down technology
> in
>>> the
>>>>> name of NAtional Security. We so behind in so many areas it's saddening
>>> to
>>>>> think about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> I only read part of the originally posted transcript and don't know
> RP's
>>>>>> views on race personally (and
>>>>>> neither does anyone else apparently) so he may or may not have views
>>> we
>>>>>> would all object to,
>>>>>> but just have to interject that just saying someone's "good ole boy
>>>>>> politics" makes them racist
>>>>>> is in itself stereotyping and just as prejudiced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His reasoning for getting rid of the Department of Education may well
>>> be
>>>>>> because it is failing
>>>>>> to do it's job (I don't know if getting rid of it is the solution,
> but
>>>>>> keeping it "status quo" is not, for certain).
>>>>>> Charter schools, private and alternative approach schools are significantly
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> successful currently (I have inside info to know this).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lamont, I worked with an entrepreneur (and his partner company) trying
>>> to
>>>>>> change the education system from the inside out,
>>>>>> starting with inner city schools. Did you know that urban schools
> across
>>>>>> the US have an average
>>>>>> of 80% student population falling below a basic proficiency level?
> That's
>>>>>> basic reading and math - 80%
>>>>>> are below a very basic level - not a higher than realistic level, but
>>> a
>>>>>> lower than realistic level.
>>>>>> I don't recall all of the stats, but it blew me away just how bad the
>>>>>> education system is. Atlanta is in terrible shape.
>>>>>> Others are doing poorly as well. These are their stats from schools
>>>>>> systems, not political parties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who's failure is that? Politicians in Washington? Not unless teachers,
>>>>>> community leaders and parents
>>>>>> look to Washington for instruction when they get up
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| Re: I just can't seem to help doing stuff like this [message #92757 is a reply to message #92740] |
Thu, 15 November 2007 20:42 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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aying them and voting or even
>>>>>>> supporting
>>>>>>> those controversial views.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One comment was: To do away with the Department of Education: Code
> word
>>>>>
>>>>>>> for:
>>>>>>> getting rid of public (Inner city) education..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While, I agree with his stance on the current administration and the
>>>>>>> so-called
>>>>>>> war, I disagree with his kind of politics in general, which is old
> Texas
>>>>>>> style politics..
>>>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Lamont,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What are the code words? What did he actually say? I want to know
> those
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> words.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where did he say he wants to take the US back to 1940 on race
>>>>>>>> relations?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did not catch that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What I have heard him say is that he does not believe in addressing
>>>>>>>> problems of groups, but that it should be of individuals. I agree
> with
>>>>>>>> that. Any effort to lump people together as group, whether it be
> racial,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> religious, political or sexual generates generalities that may or
> may
>>>>>>>> not apply. Only specific truths and viewpoints lead to solutions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Being a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the
> code
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>> of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When
>>>>>>>>> interviews
>>>>> by
>>>>>>> Russert,
>>>>>>>>> he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on
> about
>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>> past voting record and writings, he got angry and then "cracked"..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He's a Texan Reacist. Period. Yeah, he's saying the right things
> about
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Iraq situation, but on the domestic front, this dude whats to take
>>>>>>>>> America
>>>>>>>>> back into the 1940-50s on race relations. That's not good.
>>>>>>>>> Therefore,
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>> is a Kook..A hack, a Third rate Racist Texas Politicition..
>>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a
>>>>>>>>>> 7d
>>>>>>>>>> a84ca
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is not good...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>You're not gonna find my mouse anywhere near the chippendale boys.
;o)
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4785b45b$1@linux...
>
>
> Hehe... I can assure you that the link was "self moderated". ;o)
>
> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>I can't go to this link because homeland security might get wind of it and
>
>>put me on the gay watchlist.
>>
>>
>>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:47857
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