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t;> >>>>>>> 7.2.1
>> >>>>>>> today and everything seems at least to be as healthy as before.
>Happy
>> >>>>> Logic
>> >>>>>>> user!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Greetings
>> >>>>>>> Ab
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> After YEARS of specific neglect, it looks like my top Logic bug
>> may
>> >>>> have
>> >>>>>>>> finally bit the dust.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Here's the list of fixes in Logic 7.2.1, just out:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> -Intel Macs: ReWire and ReCycle support, Standard MIDI file
>export,
>> >>>> OMF
>> >>>>>>>> import, VSL EXS instrument compatibility
>> >>>>>>>> -Blank Sample Editor window in some circumstances
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> BLINK
>> >>>>>>>> -----> -Unexpected halt of software instrument output <-----
>> >>>>>>>> BLINK
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> -Compatibility with Logic 7.1 songs
>> >>>>>>>> -Direct playback of MP3 files
>> >>>>>>>> -EuCon support for the Euphonix MC and CM408T control surfaces
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I've complained here about the "software instruments dropping
out
>> >> at
>> >>>>>>>> random" problem. It has kept me from enthusiastically
>recommending
>> >> Logic
>> >>>>>>>> even though overall the program is very good.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I'll still have to order the $50 update to see if it's really
>fixed.
>> >>>>> If
>> >>>>>>>> it is....WOOEEEE! (and it's about @#$@# time...)
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>>> -Jamie
>> >>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>
>>
>
>Do you think these CPU's are in the same league with the duallie Opterons??
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:445fa346$1@linux...
>
> Actually Deej, you might want to reconsider. The new generation of Intel
processors
> (the Core Duo) are a brand new architecture. Probably the biggest switch
> by Intel since maybe the PIII. They massively shortened the pipeline, did
> their usual upgrade on the branch prediction (which is how Intel covers up
> for some of their 'greatest hits' bad design decisions), finally made the
> vector unit 128 bits wide, and did at least some work to help out with the
> memory subsystem. At the very least AMD once again really has some serious
> competition from the bottom to the top of the market. So go get a Mac ;-)
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >One could only imagine if Apple would've gone with AMD and had Dual core
> >Opterons..!!! Yikes!!
> >
> >In that case you might have seen me heading for the Mac store.
> >
> >(gawd.........I can't believe I said that!!!!)...........good thing Apple
> >****'ed up again and went with Intel so I can still retain my
curmudgeonly
> >attitude.
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritec.net> wrote in message news:445d8961$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Jamie,
> >>
> >> I'm sold!!! Those Dual core Macs (iMacs 7 Powerbooks) are killer!! They
> >had
> >> Logic Audio Pro 7.2 loaded on the iMac 20inch, and man!! I never seen
> >Logic
> >> run like that before!! Smooth, smooth smooth... The demo was an
> >audio/video
> >> post mock up. Slick!!
> >>
> >> No offense to Dual G5 owners, but MAcs with the Dual-core processors
are
> >> in a different league.No kidding. Now, Logic feels more sleeker.. Even
> on
> >> our Dual 2.5's OSx, Logic Audio 7,just does seem perky, smooth..But, on
> a
> >> dual-core intel, different animal. I URGE all Mac Logic Audio users to
> get
> >> a Dual Core Intel Mac..
> >>
> >> Part2: Then they rebotted the iMAc into WinXP Pro..They did not have a
> Pro
> >> Audio app on it, however every could tell that this iMac was running
WinXp
> >> pro faster than any of us has ssen is good while..
> >> One could only imagine if Apple would've gone with AMD and had Dual
core
> >> Opterons..!!! Yikes!!
> >>
> >> All in all, for those of us who want to run Logic audio Pro, as well as
> >run
> >> or PC DAW apps and plugs, getting into a Mac now makes good sense..
> >> Take care
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Hey Lamont,
> >> >
> >> >Let us know what you think if you get one of those Intel Macs. Sounds
> >> >like it would run everything you want.
> >> >
> >> >I'm OK with the Logic interface for the most part. They could lose the
> >> >"long click" in favor of right click in a few places. They could
access
> >>
> >> >the standard color picker instead of having the ancient preset color
> >> >set. They could move more of the most commonly used environment stuff
> >> >into the Arrange window (they've already done some of that and it
helped
> >>
> >> >a lot). They could allow skinning.
> >> >
> >> >A few things they've changed over the last few major Logic revs that
> I
> >> >like: There's a channel strip in the arrange window that reflects the
> >> >selected track. You can copy and move plugins in the arrange window
and
> >>
> >> >in the mixer with the mouse. You can save and load complete plugin
sets
> >>
> >> >for any channel strip. They finally put in latency compensation on
the
> >>
> >> >busses. They've added new plugins for guitar amp/cab emulation,
> >> >convolution reverb, linear phase mastering EQ, sophisticated metering,
> >> >the physical modeling soft synth "Sculpture," and a few more.
> >> >
> >> >Overall the Logic GUI puts a lot of functionality into a small space
> and
> >>
> >> >keeps it clean and readable.
> >> >
> >> >BTW, they now throw in Waveburner and it's been updated a few times to
> >> >the point where it actually works. :^)
> >> >
> >> >Cheers,
> >> > -Jamie
> >> > http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >LaMont wrote:
> >> >> Hey Jamie,
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm gloing down to my local Comp UsA to have a run on a Dual-core
Imac
> >> (20inch).
> >> >> Last week the sales person gave me demo of it's dual boot
capabilties.
> >> Sweet..It
> >> >> runs XP very very good. Very smooth..
> >> >>
> >> >> Personlly, I wish apple/emagic would port over the gui from
Soundtrac
> >> Pro
> >> >> and it's fast sample accurate editing. It seems that emagic is hell
> >bent
> >> >> on staying the course of it's old look..When many many others have
> >wished
> >> >> they changed course form it's science project appearance.
> >> >> So, that's the selling feature for me, dual boot capability so I can
> >run
> >> >> Logic & then boot over to run Nuendo, Samplitude.
> >> >>
> >> >> P.S. Nuendo & SX are the same. Nuendo has more post features. SX has
> >video
> >> >> & post functionality, but not as extensive as Neundo.
> >> >> Take care,
> >> >> LaMont
> >> >>
> >> >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >> >>> Hey Lamont, I don't think Apple or MOTU are in any trouble. No
> >worries.
> >> >>
> >> >>> Both are strong companies with a variety of excellent, popular
> >products.
> >> >>
> >> >>> Apple has been steadily upgrading Logic and this latest update is
> much
> >>
> >> >>> appreciated.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> MOTU's amazing i/o boxes are multi-platform. I have been very
pleased
> >>
> >> >>> with the reliability of my 828MII and their timely driver updates
> >along
> >> >>
> >> >>> the way.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This latest update for Logic, if it fixes that pesky bug as
claimed,
> >>
> >> >>> puts Logic at or near the top of the DAW/sequencer game.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I would much rather run OSX than any flavor of MSWindows, so to me
> the
> >>
> >> >>> fact that Logic and DP run on that OS is preferable. Logic is very
> >> >>> efficient and extremely feature rich. I do occasionally run it on
> a G4
> >>
> >> >>> laptop and it runs fine there, too.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The advantage of the G5 is more plugins without freezing tracks. On
> my
> >>
> >> >>> dual 2.5GHZ G5 the CPU meters have yet to get close to maxing out
> even
> >>
> >> >>> with very complex Logic projects that have tons of audio tracks, FX
> >and
> >> >>
> >> >>> instrument plugins. It's a very powerful audio playground.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On the 800MHZ G4, I can also do complex productions as long as I
> >freeze
> >> >>
> >> >>> tracks with heavy plugin loads, which is workable and very
portable.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Both setups, for what I do, leave PARIS in the dust (which is not
> >saying
> >> >>
> >> >>> that PARIS is at all useless, it's a strong system for what it does
> >but
> >> >>
> >> >>> it just doesn't do everything I need). From what I've seen of
CUBASE
> >> and
> >> >>
> >> >>> SONAR I wouldn't trade Logic for them, although I'm sure they are
> also
> >>
> >> >>> improving and capable. Nuendo looks like a real contender. I'm glad
> >> >>> Protools is still around although I don't pine for it. Really, the
> >> >>> bottom line is everyone should use whatever makes sense for their
> way
> >> of
> >> >>
> >> >>> working.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The current Intel duo laptops are in G5 performance territory, the
> >> >>> comparison I've heard is aprox equal to a dual 2K G5. By the time
> I
> >need
> >> >>
> >> >>> a new laptop they should be at or better than my dual 2.5K G5.
Sweet!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It's interesting to hear that restarting the audio driver
temporarily
> >>
> >> >>> fixed the soft synth dropout problem for you when you were running
> the
> >>
> >> >>> MSWindows version of Logic. As for rebooting the machine, that has
> >never
> >> >>
> >> >>> been necessary under OSX (good thing too!), you just have to reload
> >the
> >> >>
> >> >>> project which is still an interruption, so I'm glad to see the bug
> >> >>> finally acknowledged and addressed in Logic 7.2.1.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I ordered the required 7.2 update which arrives on Wednesday. Then
> I
> >> can
> >> >>
> >> >>> apply the 7.2.1 download and see if the problem is truly fixed.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> If so, you may want to check out Logic again, it's come a long,
long
> >> way
> >> >>
> >> >>> since the MSWindows version. Of course there's always room for
> >> >>> improvement, but over the last few years they have streamlined some
> of
> >>
> >> >>> the interface and added a lot of good to great plugins covering a
> very
> >>
> >> >>> comprehensive range of studio tools and instruments. It's an
> >impressive
> >> >>
> >> >>> package and (assuming this fix is successful) well worth
considering.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Cheers,
> >> >>> -Jamie
> >> >>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> LaMont wrote:
> >> >>>> To me(imho),
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Logic Audio has lost a lot of it's "shine" over the last couple of
> >years.
> >> >>>> When Apple dropped PC support, the momentum it was gaining drew to
> >astop.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Ahh, this is where companies like Digidesign, who were pretty much
> an
> >> >> Apple
> >> >>>> first company, saw an oppertunity to gain user market share, and
> thus
> >> >> grow
> >> >>>> the company.
> >> >>>> Now, since Apple dropped PC support, DAW apps like Cubase, Nuendo,
> &
> >> Sonar
> >> >>>> & dare I say even Pro-Tools 7x give PC users pretty cool midi
> >composing
> >> >> options
> >> >>>> as well as stellar Audio recording, miixng & VSti implementation.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> But, I think Apple may be on to something with thie Dual booted
Intel
> >> >> Macs..
> >> >>>> Now, it makes since to plop down $$ for a Mac, since it's not a
one
> >> trick
> >> >>>> pony. No one wants to admitt it, but those Mac users who are
running
> >> Logic
> >> >>>> version 7.x, now realize that unless they are using a Dual G5(2.7)
> or
> >> >> Quads,
> >> >>>> then using logic 7.x is not as smooth as advertised. It pains me
> to
> >> se
> >> >> friend
> >> >>>> run out and buy Powerbooks in hopes of "emualting" a Dual G5
> >performance,
> >> >>>> only to experience "bandwidth" chokes, or worse, stalled , slow
> >performance.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Oh yeah, you can throw MOTU in with apple. All of the above
applies
> >> to
> >> >> them
> >> >>>> as well.. Bottom line, these days, even with pirating, it's just
> not
> >> good
> >> >>>> business to not develope for the PC market. Being alogn time
> >owner/user
> >> >>>> of Logic Audio & a Licensed Owner of Digital Performer, I want to
> >see
> >> >> both
> >> >>>> apps stay in the game. But, as time goes on, both apps are
dwindling
> >> in
> >> >> it's
> >> >>>> user base. Almost like we here in the Paris group.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Meanwhile, Cuabse/Nuendo ability to get the job done midi-wise and
> >audio
> >> >>>> wise continues to grow. More and more Mac users are going in that
> >direction.
> >> >>>> as well as Pro Tools "Impoved" midi. and not to leave out Sonar.
> All
> >> very
> >> >>>> cool, and very very powerful with just a modest PC..But, with a
fast
> >> dual
> >> >>>> core processor, these apps rule!!..
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Here's to a long life for Logic Audio and Digital Peformer. I hope
> >they
> >> >> survive..
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> "Ab" <ab.vangoor@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> >> >>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> For folks who do mostly audio recording or external hardware
synths
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>> there's no problem. For heavy users of soft synths it can happen
> >> >>>>>> multiple times during the day.
> >> >>>>> First Logic version I used was 4.7 on a PB 667 but only with
> >hardware
> >> >> synths.
> >> >>>>> When crossgrading to version 5 I thought it would be handy to
have
> >> some
> >> >>>> soft
> >> >>>>> instruments as well like evp88 and exs24. They were optional at
> that
> >> >> time.
> >> >>>>> This was just before version 6 came out where all of the
instruments
> >> >> were
> >> >>>>> included.
> >> >>>>> Bummer!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> If it happens while a client is around it just doesn't look good
> to
> >> have
> >> >>>>> to reload the song (which will
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Which reminds me of Paris while I was trying to integrate it in
> our
> >> studio
> >> >>>>> in which we make our living. Soundwise it would have been worth
> the
> >> trouble
> >> >>>>> but it was
> >> >>>>> completely unusable in a commercial environment because of
> >non-stability
> >> >>>>> and
> >> >>>>> anomalies.
> >> >>>>>> To see if your system shows the problem, record some soft synth
> >tracks,
> >> >>>>>> put your sequence in cycle mode and let it play for a while.
> >Randomly
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>> the bug causes soft synths to start dropping out. It could
happen
> >> within
> >> >>>>>> a few minutes or it could happen in an hour. It seems random.
I've
> >> seen
> >> >>>>>> all the soft synths stop playing eventually, and they will also
> >stop
> >> >>>>>> playing in response to MIDI input. This happens with Logic 5, 6
> and
> >> >> 7,
> >> >>>>>> and perhaps 4. It happens with Logic's own soft synths and with
> 3rd
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>> party soft synths.
> >> >>>>> On a regular base I use all the Logic synths and stuff like RMX,
> >Atmosphere,
> >> >>>>> EW Symphonic Orchestra Platinum, guitar rig, boesendorfer etc and
> a
> >> few
> >> >>>> tracks
> >> >>>> >from Melodyne through the melodyne bridge and again I must say
that
> >> I
> >> >> never
> >> >>>>> experienced what you described on the G5 2.7. Of course on the PB
> >it's
> >> >> another
> >> >>>>> story. For instance, I could have 3 guitar tracks running with
> >guitar
> >> >> rig
> >> >>>>> 1 with
> >> >>>>> no problem. With version 2 not even one is possible without Core
> >audio
> >> >> spitting
> >> >>>>> at
> >> >>>>> me. This is a real CPU demanding plug in of which I can insert as
> >many
> >> >> as
> >> >>>>> I like
> >> >>>>> on the dual G5 (love that machine) but on the PB.... forget it.
> >That's
> >> >> why
> >> >>>>> I will
> >> >>>>> get a Macbook but since I've always been a "first generation"
buyer
> >> (and
> >> >>>>> most of the
> >> >>>>> time regretted) I will now wait till the next model comes. I only
> >hope
> >> >> I
> >> >>>>> won' get
> >> >>>>> impatient. Also most of the 3rd party plugins developpers have
not
> >> written
> >> >>>>> their universal driver yet so...
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> It was reported to be less frequent with Logic 7.2 but still
there.
> >> >> I
> >> >>>>>> didn't originally do the "crossgrade" from 7.1 to 7.2 because
it's
> >>
> >> >>>>>> mostly about running on Intel and I don't have an Intel Mac. But
> >I've
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>> ordered it now because this new 7.2.1 update requires 7.2.
> >> >>>>> Exactly my thoughts though in the end there were two good reasons
> to
> >> >> do
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>>> crossgrade: 1. Compatability with PT 7 and 2. the possiblilty to
> use
> >> >> Serato
> >> >>>>> LE
> >> >>>>> as soon it comes out (planned for the end of Mai I think). When
> I
> >first
> >> >>>> played
> >> >>>>> a song after installing 7.2 I didn't have any sound coming out of
> my
> >> >> Mobile
> >> >>>>> 2882
> >> >>>>> interface, but the meters on the output were crancked up to the
> >ceiling.
> >> >>>>> My first
> >> >>>>> reaction:WTF..... but fortunately the guys at Metric Halo have
been
> >> very
> >> >>>>> busy and
> >> >>>>> released already end February the Universal version of their MIO
> >driver.
> >> >>>>> After install
> >> >>>>> smiling all over the place.
> >> >>>>> Anyway, I will try to reproduce the "dropping out" issue and if
> I
> >find
> >> >> any,
> >> >>>>> I'll let you know. Even if from time to time small bugs come to
> the
> >> surface,(which
> >> >>>>> app doesn't
> >> >>>>> have them) I would recommand Logic to everyone who want to take
> >their
> >> >> audio
> >> >>>>> and postproductions many steps forward.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Greetings,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Ab
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >> >>>>>> -Jamie
> >> >>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Ab wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> After a few years of intensively using Logic, I didn't even
know
> >> what
> >> >>>>> they
> >> >>>>>>> were
> >> >>>>>>> talking about when I saw this "softsynths dropping out" fix in
> >7.2.1
> >> >>>>>>> It never happened to me running Logic on a dual G5 2.7 5gig Ram
> >nor
> >> >>>>>>> on my PB G4 1.5 2gig Ram. Still I installed 7.2 beginning of
this
> >> week
> >> >>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>> 7.2.1
> >> >>>>>>> today and everything seems at least to be as healthy as before.
> >Happy
> >> >>>>> Logic
> >> >>>>>>> user!
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Greetings
> >> >>>>>>> Ab
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> After YEARS of specific neglect, it looks like my top Logic
bug
> >> may
> >> >>>> have
> >> >>>>>>>> finally bit the dust.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Here's the list of fixes in Logic 7.2.1, just out:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> -Intel Macs: ReWire and ReCycle support, Standard MIDI file
> >export,
> >> >>>> OMF
> >> >>>>>>>> import, VSL EXS instrument compatibility
> >> >>>>>>>> -Blank Sample Editor window in some circumstances
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> BLINK
> >> >>>>>>>> -----> -Unexpected halt of software instrument output <-----
> >> >>>>>>>> BLINK
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> -Compatibility with Logic 7.1 songs
> >> >>>>>>>> -Direct playback of MP3 files
> >> >>>>>>>> -EuCon support for the Euphonix MC and CM408T control surfaces
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> I've complained here about the "software instruments dropping
> out
> >> >> at
> >> >>>>>>>> random" problem. It has kept me from enthusiastically
> >recommending
> >> >> Logic
> >> >>>>>>>> even though overall the program is very good.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> I'll still have to order the $50 update to see if it's really
> >fixed.
> >> >>>>> If
> >> >>>>>>>> it is....WOOEEEE! (and it's about @#$@# time...)
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >> >>>>>>>> -Jamie
> >> >>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>I shared a number of posts with him about sport cars. He had a great story
about how he won a Lamborghini Countach shooting craps in Monaco. Maybe that
was the one he was dangling in front of your date ????
;o)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:445f9fce$1@linux...
>
> This is quite sad. I'm not sure how much of what SSC said SSC did was
actually
> done by SSC, and I'm not even sure if SSC was always clear on that, but if
> he did 15% of it he lived larger than most. My favorite SSC interaction by
> far was at the 1999 or 2000 NAMM show where he blatantly, shamelessly,
tauntingly,
> and very nearly successfully tried to hijack my date. Right in front of
me.
> She resisted until she heard about the drive up highway 101 in the Italian
> sports car, at which point she started to waver. We're still friends and
> I remind her of that quite often. I knew he had been sick but hadn't
emailed
> him in a few years. He also gave me advice as a writer that was extremely
> useful--don't keep copies of everything you write, because most of it
isn't
> that good and if you need to you can always find a copy of it later. It
will
> just clutter up your house.
>
> Sad that he is now where we all some day shall be,
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I was futs forwared an e-mail that was sent to a mutual friend by
Steven's
> >wife and forwarded to me, as follows:
> >_______________________________________________
> >"Steven died in his sleep early this morning after a couple of truly
> >peaceful days. He woke once, Thursday evening, and found himself
> >surrounded by friends and family. He talked sleepily with all of us,
> >understood he was deeply loved, and told us he had been flying in a
> >wonderful and amazing place without pain. He woke again early Friday
> >morning and was as clear, strong, and aware as he had been in his
> >healthiest days. He told me he had been in "a place beautiful beyond
> >my life," told me he wanted to die and go back there, and fell into a
> >final sleep.
> >
> >The world is a poorer place without him. Please carry him in your
> >thoughts, hearts, and prayers.
> >
> >Thank you all for being there for him and for me."
> >______________________________________________
> >
> >DJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
>I think AMD still has the edge for most applications, but it's less of an
edge and the new Intel chips have a _lot_ more 'headroom' than anything they've
had out in a long, long time. I wondered why Apple went with Intel instead
of AMD even if they were going to get in the x86 game. I think it's pretty
clearly this generation of chips and the generations to come based on this
microarchitecture. I've been a mostly AMD guy for a while now but that might
change in the next year or so. Just keep your eye open for honest information,
it might get a bit suprising soon.
TCB
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Do you think these CPU's are in the same league with the duallie Opterons??
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:445fa346$1@linux...
>>
>> Actually Deej, you might want to reconsider. The new generation of Intel
>processors
>> (the Core Duo) are a brand new architecture. Probably the biggest switch
>> by Intel since maybe the PIII. They massively shortened the pipeline,
did
>> their usual upgrade on the branch prediction (which is how Intel covers
up
>> for some of their 'greatest hits' bad design decisions), finally made
the
>> vector unit 128 bits wide, and did at least some work to help out with
the
>> memory subsystem. At the very least AMD once again really has some serious
>> competition from the bottom to the top of the market. So go get a Mac
;-)
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >One could only imagine if Apple would've gone with AMD and had Dual core
>> >Opterons..!!! Yikes!!
>> >
>> >In that case you might have seen me heading for the Mac store.
>> >
>> >(gawd.........I can't believe I said that!!!!)...........good thing Apple
>> >****'ed up again and went with Intel so I can still retain my
>curmudgeonly
>> >attitude.
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >
>> >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritec.net> wrote in message news:445d8961$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Jamie,
>> >>
>> >> I'm sold!!! Those Dual core Macs (iMacs 7 Powerbooks) are killer!!
They
>> >had
>> >> Logic Audio Pro 7.2 loaded on the iMac 20inch, and man!! I never seen
>> >Logic
>> >> run like that before!! Smooth, smooth smooth... The demo was an
>> >audio/video
>> >> post mock up. Slick!!
>> >>
>> >> No offense to Dual G5 owners, but MAcs with the Dual-core processors
>are
>> >> in a different league.No kidding. Now, Logic feels more sleeker.. Even
>> on
>> >> our Dual 2.5's OSx, Logic Audio 7,just does seem perky, smooth..But,
on
>> a
>> >> dual-core intel, different animal. I URGE all Mac Logic Audio users
to
>> get
>> >> a Dual Core Intel Mac..
>> >>
>> >> Part2: Then they rebotted the iMAc into WinXP Pro..They did not have
a
>> Pro
>> >> Audio app on it, however every could tell that this iMac was running
>WinXp
>> >> pro faster than any of us has ssen is good while..
>> >> One could only imagine if Apple would've gone with AMD and had Dual
>core
>> >> Opterons..!!! Yikes!!
>> >>
>> >> All in all, for those of us who want to run Logic audio Pro, as well
as
>> >run
>> >> or PC DAW apps and plugs, getting into a Mac now makes good sense..
>> >> Take care
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Hey Lamont,
>> >> >
>> >> >Let us know what you think if you get one of those Intel Macs. Sounds
>> >> >like it would run everything you want.
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm OK with the Logic interface for the most part. They could lose
the
>> >> >"long click" in favor of right click in a few places. They could
>access
>> >>
>> >> >the standard color picker instead of having the ancient preset color
>> >> >set. They could move more of the most commonly used environment stuff
>> >> >into the Arrange window (they've already done some of that and it
>helped
>> >>
>> >> >a lot). They could allow skinning.
>> >> >
>> >> >A few things they've changed over the last few major Logic revs that
>> I
>> >> >like: There's a channel strip in the arrange window that reflects
the
>> >> >selected track. You can copy and move plugins in the arrange window
>and
>> >>
>> >> >in the mixer with the mouse. You can save and load complete plugin
>sets
>> >>
>> >> >for any channel strip. They finally put in latency compensation on
>the
>> >>
>> >> >busses. They've added new plugins for guitar amp/cab emulation,
>> >> >convolution reverb, linear phase mastering EQ, sophisticated metering,
>> >> >the physical modeling soft synth "Sculpture," and a few more.
>> >> >
>> >> >Overall the Logic GUI puts a lot of functionality into a small space
>> and
>> >>
>> >> >keeps it clean and readable.
>> >> >
>> >> >BTW, they now throw in Waveburner and it's been updated a few times
to
>> >> >the point where it actually works. :^)
>> >> >
>> >> >Cheers,
>> >> > -Jamie
>> >> > http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >LaMont wrote:
>> >> >> Hey Jamie,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm gloing down to my local Comp UsA to have a run on a Dual-core
>Imac
>> >> (20inch).
>> >> >> Last week the sales person gave me demo of it's dual boot
>capabilties.
>> >> Sweet..It
>> >> >> runs XP very very good. Very smooth..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Personlly, I wish apple/emagic would port over the gui from
>Soundtrac
>> >> Pro
>> >> >> and it's fast sample accurate editing. It seems that emagic is hell
>> >bent
>> >> >> on staying the course of it's old look..When many many others have
>> >wished
>> >> >> they changed course form it's science project appearance.
>> >> >> So, that's the selling feature for me, dual boot capability so I
can
>> >run
>> >> >> Logic & then boot over to run Nuendo, Samplitude.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> P.S. Nuendo & SX are the same. Nuendo has more post features. SX
has
>> >video
>> >> >> & post functionality, but not as extensive as Neundo.
>> >> >> Take care,
>> >> >> LaMont
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> Hey Lamont, I don't think Apple or MOTU are in any trouble. No
>> >worries.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Both are strong companies with a variety of excellent, popular
>> >products.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Apple has been steadily upgrading Logic and this latest update
is
>> much
>> >>
>> >> >>> appreciated.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> MOTU's amazing i/o boxes are multi-platform. I have been very
>pleased
>> >>
>> >> >>> with the reliability of my 828MII and their timely driver updates
>> >along
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> the way.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> This latest update for Logic, if it fixes that pesky bug as
>claimed,
>> >>
>> >> >>> puts Logic at or near the top of the DAW/sequencer game.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I would much rather run OSX than any flavor of MSWindows, so to
me
>> the
>> >>
>> >> >>> fact that Logic and DP run on that OS is preferable. Logic is very
>> >> >>> efficient and extremely feature rich. I do occasionally run it
on
>> a G4
>> >>
>> >> >>> laptop and it runs fine there, too.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The advantage of the G5 is more plugins without freezing tracks.
On
>> my
>> >>
>> >> >>> dual 2.5GHZ G5 the CPU meters have yet to get close to maxing out
>> even
>> >>
>> >> >>> with very complex Logic projects that have tons of audio tracks,
FX
>> >and
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> instrument plugins. It's a very powerful audio playground.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On the 800MHZ G4, I can also do complex productions as long as
I
>> >freeze
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> tracks with heavy plugin loads, which is workable and very
>portable.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Both setups, for what I do, leave PARIS in the dust (which is not
>> >saying
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> that PARIS is at all useless, it's a strong system for what it
does
>> >but
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> it just doesn't do everything I need). From what I've seen of
>CUBASE
>> >> and
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> SONAR I wouldn't trade Logic for them, although I'm sure they are
>> also
>> >>
>> >> >>> improving and capable. Nuendo looks like a real contender. I'm
glad
>> >> >>> Protools is still around although I don't pine for it. Really,
the
>> >> >>> bottom line is everyone should use whatever makes sense for their
>> way
>> >> of
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> working.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The current Intel duo laptops are in G5 performance territory,
the
>> >> >>> comparison I've heard is aprox equal to a dual 2K G5. By the time
>> I
>> >need
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> a new laptop they should be at or better than my dual 2.5K G5.
>Sweet!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> It's interesting to hear that restarting the audio driver
>temporarily
>> >>
>> >> >>> fixed the soft synth dropout problem for you when you were running
>> the
>> >>
>> >> >>> MSWindows version of Logic. As for rebooting the machine, that
has
>> >never
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> been necessary under OSX (good thing too!), you just have to reload
>> >the
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> project which is still an interruption, so I'm glad to see the
bug
>> >> >>> finally acknowledged and addressed in Logic 7.2.1.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I ordered the required 7.2 update which arrives on Wednesday. Then
>> I
>> >> can
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> apply the 7.2.1 download and see if the problem is truly fixed.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> If so, you may want to check out Logic again, it's come a long,
>long
>> >> way
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> since the MSWindows version. Of course there's always room for
>> >> >>> improvement, but over the last few years they have streamlined
some
>> of
>> >>
>> >> >>> the interface and added a lot of good to great plugins covering
a
>> very
>> >>
>> >> >>> comprehensive range of studio tools and instruments. It's an
>> >impressive
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> package and (assuming this fix is successful) well worth
>considering.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Cheers,
>> >> >>> -Jamie
>> >> >>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> LaMont wrote:
>> >> >>>> To me(imho),
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Logic Audio has lost a lot of it's "shine" over the last couple
of
>> >years.
>> >> >>>> When Apple dropped PC support, the momentum it was gaining drew
to
>> >astop.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Ahh, this is where companies like Digidesign, who were pretty
much
>> an
>> >> >> Apple
>> >> >>>> first company, saw an oppertunity to gain user market share, and
>> thus
>> >> >> grow
>> >> >>>> the company.
>> >> >>>> Now, since Apple dropped PC support, DAW apps like Cubase, Nuendo,
>> &
>> >> Sonar
>> >> >>>> & dare I say even Pro-Tools 7x give PC users pretty cool midi
>> >composing
>> >> >> options
>> >> >>>> as well as stellar Audio recording, miixng & VSti implementation.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> But, I think Apple may be on to something with thie Dual booted
>Intel
>> >> >> Macs..
>> >> >>>> Now, it makes since to plop down $$ for a Mac, since it's not
a
>one
>> >> trick
>> >> >>>> pony. No one wants to admitt it, but those Mac users who are
>running
>> >> Logic
>> >> >>>> version 7.x, now realize that unless they are using a Dual G5(2.7)
>> or
>> >> >> Quads,
>> >> >>>> then using logic 7.x is not as smooth as advertised. It pains
me
>> to
>> >> se
>> >> >> friend
>> >> >>>> run out and buy Powerbooks in hopes of "emualting" a Dual G5
>> >performance,
>> >> >>>> only to experience "bandwidth" chokes, or worse, stalled , slow
>> >performance.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Oh yeah, you can throw MOTU in with apple. All of the above
>applies
>> >> to
>> >> >> them
>> >> >>>> as well.. Bottom line, these days, even with pirating, it's just
>> not
>> >> good
>> >> >>>> business to not develope for the PC market. Being alogn time
>> >owner/user
>> >> >>>> of Logic Audio & a Licensed Owner of Digital Performer, I want
to
>> >see
>> >> >> both
>> >> >>>> apps stay in the game. But, as time goes on, both apps are
>dwindling
>> >> in
>> >> >> it's
>> >> >>>> user base. Almost like we here in the Paris group.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Meanwhile, Cuabse/Nuendo ability to get the job done midi-wise
and
>> >audio
>> >> >>>> wise continues to grow. More and more Mac users are going in that
>> >direction.
>> >> >>>> as well as Pro Tools "Impoved" midi. and not to leave out Sonar.
>> All
>> >> very
>> >> >>>> cool, and very very powerful with just a modest PC..But, with
a
>fast
>> >> dual
>> >> >>>> core processor, these apps rule!!..
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Here's to a long life for Logic Audio and Digital Peformer. I
hope
>> >they
>> >> >> survive..
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> "Ab" <ab.vangoor@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>> >> >>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> For folks who do mostly audio recording or external hardware
>synths
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>>>> there's no problem. For heavy users of soft synths it can happen
>> >> >>>>>> multiple times during the day.
>> >> >>>>> First Logic version I used was 4.7 on a PB 667 but only with
>> >hardware
>> >> >> synths.
>> >> >>>>> When crossgrading to version 5 I thought it would be handy to
>have
>> >> some
>> >> >>>> soft
>> >> >>>>> instruments as well like evp88 and exs24. They were optional
at
>> that
>> >> >> time.
>> >> >>>>> This was just before version 6 came out where all of the
>instruments
>> >> >> were
>> >> >>>>> included.
>> >> >>>>> Bummer!
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> If it happens while a client is around it just doesn't look good
>> to
>> >> have
>> >> >>>>> to reload the song (which will
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Which reminds me of Paris while I was trying to integrate it
in
>> our
>> >> studio
>> >> >>>>> in which we make our living. Soundwise it would have been worth
>> the
>> >> trouble
>> >> >>>>> but it was
>> >> >>>>> completely unusable in a commercial environment because of
>> >non-stability
>> >> >>>>> and
>> >> >>>>> anomalies.
>> >> >>>>>> To see if your system shows the problem, record some soft synth
>> >tracks,
>> >> >>>>>> put your sequence in cycle mode and let it play for a while.
>> >Randomly
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>>>> the bug causes soft synths to start dropping out. It could
>happen
>> >> within
>> >> >&
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