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a>> wrote in message =
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Good info.... I like the idea of the smaller cab, and the lower =
wattage=20
speaks, but I'm a little spooked at the total lack of specs locatable =
on the=20
net about these guys... I don't want a cab that can't get anything =
under say=20
90hz... that'd suck.
Hemp cone, eh?
I wonder if they'll just lay around eating Cheetos, watching TV and =
react=20
sluggishly when I ask them to help around the house or get a job :)
We agree on the alnico/ceramic debate. Like Alnico in a pickup.. not =
so much=20
in a speaker.
AA
"DC" <dc@spammersatGC.com> wrote in message news:450a2ec6$1@linux...
>
> I think the cheaper cabinet will most likely involve the chinese
> made celestions which I have not heard good things about.
>
> You really need to hear a cabinet with your amp. There are
> big differences to be found.
>
>
> At last year's NAMM, I was really knocked out by the
> Tone Tubby hempcone speakers.
>
> They have 4x12's.
>
> http://www.tonetubby.com/cabinet.htm
>
> Very impressive and at reasonable levels too.
>
> BTW, I like the punch and clarity of ceramic magnet speakers
> much better than the over-rated AlNiCo. Much more dynamic.
>
> So, you could get a TT ceramic 4x12 for 1100 or so. I think
> they just sound amazing.
>
> DC
>
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>I'm looking at picking up a 4x12 to club gig with. Anybody got =
experience
> to
>>share with me about these models??
>>Is there 'really' a $1000 dollars worth of difference in tone from =
bottom
> to
>>top with them, is it mechanics (like say, casters and handles)?
>>I will be driving it with a 60wpc tube a
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| Re: Considering a Royer R-122 .....Opinions [message #71031 is a reply to message #71030] |
Thu, 10 August 2006 08:05 |
Deej [1]
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so. I think<BR>> they =
just=20
sound amazing.<BR>><BR>> DC<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> =
"Aaron=20
Allen" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>I'm looking at picking up a 4x12 to club gig with. =
Anybody=20
got experience<BR>> to<BR>>>share with me about these=20
models??<BR>>>Is there 'really' a $1000 dollars worth of =
difference in=20
tone from bottom<BR>> to<BR>>>top with them, is it mechanics =
(like=20
say, casters and handles)?<BR>>>I will be driving it with a =
60wpc tube=20
amp with a tube preamp front end.<BR>> I<BR>>>want the =
elusive 'brown=20
sound' distortion and super clear cleans... =
which<BR>><BR>>>the=20
amp/preamp combo is certainly capable of giving me. It's the cabs=20
that<BR>><BR>>>suck on my current gear (2 unmatched 2x12's) - =
I wish=20
to move to one <BR>>>stereo<BR>><BR>>>matched cab, and =
I'm not=20
afraid to rewire it if that matters.<BR>>>Many thanks in=20
=
advance!<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>https://www.zzounds.com/item-=
-MSHMG412A<BR> >>$450.00 &nb sp;=20
$279.95<BR>>>Angled-front version.<BR>>>Power: 120=20
watts<BR>>>Impedance: 8 ohms<BR>>>Speakers: 4 x 12 in.=20
Marshall/Celestion custom-designed speakers (30W=20
<BR>>>each)<BR>>>Dimensions (W x H x D): 26.4 x 26.4 x =
14.0=20
=
in.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>http://www.zzounds.com/item--MSH19=
60A<BR> >>$1,150.00 & nbsp;=20
$649.95<BR>>>Angled-front version.<BR>>>Black grille=20
cloth<BR>>>White piping<BR>>>Black elephant grain=20
vinyl<BR>>>Speaker: 4 x 12 in. G12T-75<BR>>>Power: 300=20
watt<BR>>>Impedance: 4 or 16 ohms mono/8 ohms=20
stereo<BR>>>Dimensions: 760 x 830 x 360mm<BR>>>Weight: =
36.4=20
=
kg<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>http://www.zzounds.com/item--MSH196=
0AX<BR> >>$1,500.00 & nbsp;=20
$1,049.00<BR>>>Angled front<BR>>>Vintage-circa early=20
70's<BR>>>Checkered cloth<BR>>>White =
piping<BR>>>Medium size=20
white logo<BR>>>Black Levant vinyl<BR>>>Gold beading on=20
Cab<BR>>>Speakers: 4 Celestion G12 M-25w =
SPKR-00016<BR>>>Power:=20
100 watts<BR>>>Impedance: 16 ohm<BR>>>Dimensions: 760 x =
830 x 360=20
mm<BR>>>Weight: 37.7 kg<BR>>>Cover: COVR-00022=20
=
optional<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>http://www.zzounds.com/item--=
MSH1960AHW<BR> >>$1,800.00 & nbsp;=20
$1,200.00<BR>>>Loaded with Celestion G12H-30 re-issue=20
speakers.<BR>>>To complement the 1959HW's visual and sonic =
majesty,=20
Marshall offers the<BR>><BR>>>1960AHW (angled) 4x12 cabinet. =
It=20
boasts basket weave fret cloth, metal<BR>><BR>>>handles, =
"100" logos,=20
and is loaded with Celestion's highly-acclaimed<BR>>>G12H-30 =
re-issue=20
speakers.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> <BR>> =
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Same rig.. you mean my pre and amp setup?
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
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Aaron,
Matching amp/cabs are a no brainer but not always exactly right.
But the right speakers can sound like ass in a bad cab too.
These days we are required to get all the guitar sounds on every
CD when in a cover situation. It's harder than a one sound only band.
In general the smaller cabs have a harder time with the low end
unless they're open back but then it's a little uncontrolled
due to rear reflections, wall and stage resonance. If you end up=20
having to over eq to get it, it won't sound natural. I love to see my =
pants get wind torn from the low end as long as it's tight.
My buddy used to have that same rig if I'm not mistaken.
He used Thiele cabs with it. It sounded really good. I'm=20
not sure it sounded as
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| Re: Considering a Royer R-122 .....Opinions [message #71032 is a reply to message #71031] |
Thu, 10 August 2006 08:22 |
brandon[2]
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good as it could with the Thiele=20
cabs though. Nice to spread them out for stereo!
Good luck with your search,
Tom
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:450a3340@linux...
Good info.... I like the idea of the smaller cab, and the lower =
wattage=20
speaks, but I'm a little spooked at the total lack of specs =
locatable on the=20
net about these guys... I don't want a cab that can't get anything =
under say=20
90hz... that'd suck.
Hemp cone, eh?
I wonder if they'll just lay around eating Cheetos, watching TV and =
react=20
sluggishly when I ask them to help around the house or get a job :)
We agree on the alnico/ceramic debate. Like Alnico in a pickup.. not =
so much=20
in a speaker.
AA
"DC" <dc@spammersatGC.com> wrote in message news:450a2ec6$1@linux...
>
> I think the cheaper cabinet will most likely involve the chinese
> made celestions which I have not heard good things about.
>
> You really need to hear a cabinet with your amp. There are
> big differences to be found.
>
>
> At last year's NAMM, I was really knocked out by the
> Tone Tubby hempcone speakers.
>
> They have 4x12's.
>
> http://www.tonetubby.com/cabinet.htm
>
> Very impressive and at reasonable levels too.
>
> BTW, I like the punch and clarity of ceramic magnet speakers
> much better than the over-rated AlNiCo. Much more dynamic.
>
> So, you could get a TT ceramic 4x12 for 1100 or so. I think
> they just sound amazing.
>
> DC
>
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>I'm looking at picking up a 4x12 to club gig with. Anybody got =
experience
> to
>>share with me about these models??
>>Is there 'really' a $1000 dollars worth of difference in tone from =
bottom
> to
>>top with them, is it mechanics (like say, casters and handles)?
>>I will be driving it with a 60wpc tube amp with a tube preamp =
front end.
> I
>>want the elusive 'brown sound' distortion and super clear =
cleans... which
>
>>the amp/preamp combo is certainly capable of giving me. It's the =
cabs that
>
>>suck on my current gear (2 unmatched 2x12's) - I wish to move to =
one=20
>>stereo
>
>>matched cab, and I'm not afraid to rewire it if that matters.
>>Many thanks in advance!
>>
>>
>>https://www.zzounds.com/item--MSHMG412A
>>$450.00 $279.95
>>Angled-front version.
>>Power: 120 watts
>>Impedance: 8 ohms
>>Speakers: 4 x 12 in. Marshall/Celestion custom-designed speakers =
(30W=20
>>each)
>>Dimensions (W x H x D): 26.4 x 26.4 x 14.0 in.
>>
>>
>>http://www.zzounds.com/item--MSH1960A
>>$1,150.00 $649.95
>>Angled-front version.
>>Black grille cloth
>>White piping
>>Black elephant grain vinyl
>>Speaker: 4 x 12 in. G12T-75
>>Power: 300 watt
>>Impedance: 4 or 16 ohms mono/8 ohms stereo
>>Dimensions: 760 x 830 x 360mm
>>Weight: 36.4 kg
>>
>>
>>http://www.zzounds.com/item--MSH1960AX
>>$1,500.00 $1,049.00
>>Angled front
>>Vintage-circa early 70's
>>Checkered cloth
>>White piping
>>Medium size white logo
>>Black Levant vinyl
>>Gold beading on Cab
>>Speakers: 4 Celestion G12 M-25w SPKR-00016
>>Power: 100 watts
>>Impedance: 16 ohm
>>Dimensions: 760 x 830 x 360 mm
>>Weight: 37.7 kg
>>Cover: COVR-00022 optional
>>
>>
>>http://www.zzounds.com/item--MSH1960AHW
>>$1,800.00 $1,200.00
>>Loaded with Celestion G12H-30 re-issue speakers.
>>To complement the 1959HW's visual and sonic majesty, Marshall =
offers the
>
>>1960AHW (angled) 4x12 cabinet. It boasts basket weave fret cloth, =
metal
>
>>handles, "100" logos, and is loaded with Celestion's =
highly-acclaimed
>>G12H-30 re-issue speakers.
>>
>>
>>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Same rig.. you mean my pre and amp=20
setup?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A href=3D"news:450a3d8f@linux">news:450a3d8f@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aaron,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Matching amp/cabs are a no brainer =
but not always=20
exactly right.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But the right speakers can sound like =
ass in a=20
bad cab too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>These days we are required to get all =
the guitar=20
sounds on every</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>CD when in a cover situation. =
It's harder=20
than a one sound only band.</FONT></DIV>
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