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| Re: Merry Christmas to all. [message #93948 is a reply to message #93941] |
Mon, 24 December 2007 08:26   |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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od time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours
>>>>> have gone by and St.
>>>>> Peter returns.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Well then, you've spent a day in hell and another in
>>>>> heaven. Now choose your eternity."
>>>>>
>>>>> The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers:
>>>>> "Well, I would
>>>>> never have said it before, I mean heaven has been
>>>>> delightful, but I think
>>>>> I would be better off in hell."
>>>>>
>>>>> So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes
>>>>> down, down, down to hell.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the
>>>>> middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage.
>>>>>
>>>>> He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up
>>>>> the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from
>>>>> above.
>>>>>
>>>>> The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around
>>>>> his shoulder. "I don't understand," stammers the senator. "Yesterday
>>>>> I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate
>>>>> lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time.
>>>>> Now
>>>>> there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable.
>>>>> What happened?"
>>>>>
>>>>> The devil looks at him, smiles and says, "Yesterday we
>>>>> were campaigning...... Today you voted."
>>>>>
>
>What the hell is evil about giving away product to gain market share. I
bet if you were on the receiving end you wouldn't call it evil. It's
just business. Ever been at a cosmetic counter with your gal? The shit
they give away is unbelievable - I wish to hell Apple or MS would pile
it on like that to me. 'Course the markup on cosmetics, man, that's true
evil, but the ladies don't complain, so suck it up. This kind of ranting
is juvenile. They're just computers, right?
Kim wrote:
> Dude, all I'm saying is that we have two evil companies, and one has more
> money, hence power, than the other. Hence the one with more power obviously
> is in a better position to do all this evil stuff. Apple have less examples
> of questionable business practises, yes, but they have a smaller budget so
> what do you expect?
>
> Why does M$ need yahoo? Why did Apple need any of a number of companies they
> have absorbed? Why does society think we need to grow all the time when the
> size of the planet has been fairly stable since its existence? Got me stuffed.
>
> Like I said I don't really want to get into this.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok, can you give me a legitimate example of Apple buying market share?
> I
>> have seen Apple do some things strait out of the MS play book, but it's
> not
>> vary often.
>>
>> Somebody vary close to me was an executive at a software company (N) and
>> was over their HR department. MS was hiring away (N) top software engineers
>> by giving them 1 to 3 million dollar starting bonuses
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| Re: Merry Christmas to all. [message #93962 is a reply to message #93936] |
Mon, 24 December 2007 12:47 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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y Level 1: Operational Tech Support / Post-Sales
> Date Created: 05/08/2007 01.18 AM
> Last Updated: 05/08/2007 01.18 AM
> Status: Unresolved
> Software version:
> Serial number:
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>
> Discussion Thread
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ---
> Customer (Kim Webster) - 05/08/2007 01.18 AM
> Greetings.
> I purchased this unit a couple of years ago with a specific use in
> mind, which never eventuated.
> Hence, it has been sitting on a shelf until now. (Warranty has
> expired).
> I decided to donate it to a friend, for use with his laptop,
> but figured I should test it first.
>
> I powered up the unit, (unconnected to any external equipment), and
> received
> a fairly hefty shock
> when touching the rear panel audio sockets.
>
> I powered down, then took my trusty multi-meter out of the cupboard.
> (I am an ex- Defence technician).
> Sure enough, I measured anywhere between 50-240 VAC relative to mains
> ground, depending on which rear-panel socket I tested.
> Figuring I had no comeback as far as warranty goes, I decided to open
> the unit to investigate further.
> I fou
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| Re: Merry Christmas to all. [message #93980 is a reply to message #93936] |
Mon, 24 December 2007 16:02 |
Sarah
Messages: 608
Registered: February 2007
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>>>>>for everyone=20
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>>>>>sure when I have more time) - same dual quad hardware configs in =
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>>
>Some of you may remember me posting a few months back, looking for
someone with a PARIS studio, and maybe a bit of data recovery
experience. A gentleman responded to me via email, and I have lost the
message. A data recovery person would be fine, but I just thought I
would shoot for someone who would be sensitive to my situation, and
maybe not charge me 3 grand. If you are the Texan who responded, by all
means, tell me!
I sold my entire studio a few years back, and kept only a SCSI drive
full of unmixed songs and bits of ideas. The drive spins but will not be
detected by windows. i have tried multiple SCSI adapters, booting into
Linux, etc. GRUB gives geometry errors. I just want the 30 or so Gigs
copied to a SATA drive. It's probably 99% garbage, but there is some
stuff that I'm sentimental about buried on there somewhere. i need the
whole file structure copied over. It's also important that I don't risk
any more (?) damage to the drive.
If anyone is interested, please let me know.
If you are in the Portland, OR area, that would be a huge plus. I could
pay a fee up front, and if it works, give you more.
here is some info on the drive
IBM Ultrastar 36Z15 Drive, model# ic35l036ucpr15-0. This is the 36.7 GB,
15,000 RPM unit. (80p ULTRA 3 SCSI)
I had to get an ultra 160 controller
and sca adapter 80 pin to SCSI 3
(with power)
Not sure what you would need. I know jack about SCSI. It may just be a
jumper setting, in which case you could make some quick cash. I think
it's probably more though. If you are local, know about jumpers, and
what all that parity and stuff means, I'd be more than happy to give you
50 bucks to try it out.
coldstatue att geeeemail dat commm (first part is correct)
ThanksI don't know if this will help, there are some audio guys in portland that
might be able to help you. Justin runs http://www.audiotalkback.com, he
is in portland and there are some other guys on that news group. Most of
those guys are studio owners, they use Pro Tools and other software, but
they might be able to transfer your files and they are local.
John Bish <nosp@m.com> wrote:
>Some of you may remember me posting a few months back, looking for
>someone with a PARIS studio, and maybe a bit of data recovery
>experience. A gentleman responded to me via email, and I have lost the
>message. A data recovery person would be fine, but I just thought I
>would shoot for someone who would be sensitive to my situation, and
>maybe not charge me 3 grand. If you are the Texan who responded, by all
>means, tell me!
>
>I sold my entire studio a few years back, and kept only a SCSI drive
>full of unmixed songs and bits of ideas. The drive spins but will not be
>detected by windows. i have tried multiple SCSI adapters, booting into
>Linux, etc. GRUB gives geometry errors. I just want the 30 or so Gigs
>copied to a SATA drive. It's probably 99% garbage, but there is some
>stuff that I'm sentimental about buried on there somewhere. i need the
>whole file structure copied over. It's also important that I don't risk
>any more (?) damage to the drive.
>
>If anyone is interested, please let me know.
>
>If you are in the Portland, OR area, that would be a huge plus. I could
>pay a fee up front, and if it works, give you more.
>
>here is some info on the drive
>
>
>
>IBM Ultrastar 36Z15 Drive, model# ic35l036ucpr15-0. This is the 36.7 GB,
>15,000 RPM unit. (80p ULTRA 3 SCSI)
>
>I had to get an ultra 160 controller
>and sca adapter 80 pin to SCSI 3
>(with power)
>
>
>Not sure what you would need. I know jack about SCSI. It may just be a
>jumper setting, in which case you could make some quick cash. I think
>it's probably more though. If you are local, know about jumpers, and
>what all that parity and stuff means, I'd be more than happy to give you
>50 bucks to try it out.
>
>coldstatue att geeeemail dat commm (first part is correct)
>
>
>ThanksOne more time, http://www.audiotalkback.com
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I don't know if this will help, there are some audio guys in portland that
>might be able to help you. Justin runs http://www.audiotalkback.com, he
>is in portland and there are some other guys on that news group. Most of
>those guys are studio owners, they use Pro Tools and other software, but
>they might be able to transfer your files and they are local.
>
>John Bish <nosp@m.com> wrote:
>>Some of you may remember me posting a few months back, looking for
>>someone with a PARIS studio, and maybe a bit of data recovery
>>experience. A gentleman responded to me via email, and I have lost the
>>message. A data recovery person would be fine, but I just thought I
>>would shoot for someone who would be sensitive to my situation, and
>>maybe not charge me 3 grand. If you are the Texan who responded, by all
>
>>means, tell me!
>>
>>I sold my entire studio a few years back, and kept only a SCSI drive
>>full of unmixed songs and bits of ideas. The drive spins but will not be
>
>>detected by windows. i have tried multiple SCSI adapters, booting into
>>Linux, etc. GRUB gives geometry errors. I just want the 30 or so Gigs
>>copied to a SATA drive. It's probably 99% garbage, but there is some
>>stuff that I'm sentimental about buried on there somewhere. i need the
>>whole file structure copied over. It's also important that I don't risk
>
>>any more (?) damage to the drive.
>>
>>If anyone is interested, please let me know.
>>
>>If you are in the Portland, OR area, that would be a huge plus. I could
>
>>pay a fee up front, and if it works, give you more.
>>
>>here is some info on the drive
>>
>>
>>
>>IBM Ultrastar 36Z15 Drive, model# ic35l036ucpr15-0. This is the 36.7 GB,
>
>>15,000 RPM unit. (80p ULTRA 3 SCSI)
>>
>>I had to get an ultra 160 controller
>>and sca adapter 80 pin to SCSI 3
>>(with power)
>>
>>
>>Not sure what you would need. I know jack about SCSI. It may just be a
>>jumper setting, in which case you could make some quick cash. I think
>>it's probably more though. If you are local, know about jumpers, and
>>what all that parity and stuff means, I'd be more than happy to give you
>
>>50 bucks to try it out.
>>
>>coldstatue att geeeemail dat commm (first part is correct)
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>Here's Justin's email, give him a try. justin@jyaf.com
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>One more time, http://www.audiotalkback.com
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I don't know if this will help, there are some audio guys in portland that
>>might be able to help you. Justin runs http://www.audiotalkback.com, he
>>is in portland and there are some other guys on that news group. Most
of
>>those guys are studio owners, they use Pro Tools and other software, but
>>they might be able to transfer your files and they are local.
>>
>>John Bish <nosp@m.com> wrote:
>>>Some of you may remember me posting a few months back, looking for
>>>someone with a PARIS studio, and maybe a bit of data recovery
>>>experience. A gentleman responded to me via email, and I have lost the
>
>>>message. A data recovery person would be fine, but I just thought I
>>>would shoot for someone who would be sensitive to my situation, and
>>>maybe not charge me 3 grand. If you are the Texan who responded, by all
>>
>>>means, tell me!
>>>
>>>I sold my entire studio a few years back, and kept only a SCSI drive
>>>full of unmixed songs and bits of ideas. The drive spins but will not
be
>>
>>>detected by windows. i have tried multiple SCSI adapters, booting into
>
>>>Linux, etc. GRUB gives geometry errors. I just want the 30 or so Gigs
>>>copied to a SATA drive. It's probably 99% garbage, but there is some
>>>stuff that I'm sentimental about buried on there somewhere. i need the
>
>>>whole file structure copied over. It's also important that I don't risk
>>
>>>any more (?) damage to the drive.
>>>
>>>If anyone is interested, please let me know.
>>>
>>>If you are in the Portland, OR area, that would be a huge plus. I could
>>
>>>pay a fee up front, and if it works, give you more.
>>>
>>>here is some info on the drive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>IBM Ultrastar 36Z15 Drive, model# ic35l036ucpr15-0. This is the 36.7 GB,
>>
>>>15,000 RPM unit. (80p ULTRA 3 SCSI)
>>>
>>>I had to get an ultra 160 controller
>>>and sca adapter 80 pin to SCSI 3
>>>(with power)
>>>
>>>
>>>Not sure what you would need. I know jack about SCSI. It may just be a
>
>>>jumper setting, in which case you could make some quick cash. I think
>>>it's probably more though. If you are local, know about jumpers, and
>>>what all that parity and stuff means, I'd be more than happy to give you
>>
>>>50 bucks to try it out.
>>>
>>>coldstatue att geeeemail dat commm (first part is correct)
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>
>Hi Dedric,
Apogee is doing nothing that hasn't been done by RME and Lynx for going
on 3 years now on PC and now on Intel Macs.
If I want a proprietary hardware system I'd just buy Pro Tools and be
done with it.
Now that RME and Lynx are starting to release PCI-e cards the Symphony
looks less and less attractive.
Not really sure what is good about it. Only thing I could see is it
being the first PCI-e card for the MAC.
About the only fair comparison would be between and RME Madi card at 96k
and see how it compares against the Symphony numbers.
They both at this point would need to be running Logic 8 on Leopard to
be accurate.
I like that Apogee doesn't post the test session on the web site for
users to down load.
It would be the fair way for people to see what the card can do compared
to the card they are using now.
Sorta reminds me of the vague claims Rain Recording made about Vista
with nothing to back it up other than Microsoft and Cakewalk press releases.
Chris
Dedric Terry wrote:
> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6693909#6 693909 (should
> take you to the next to last post on that page)
>
> Apparently Apogee's numbers are only while tracking. Sounds like they
> only posted part of the story with their great low latency figures.
> It is hard to say if this is the case for everyone though, except for
> Apogee's response when the user called, but since I brought it up in
> the Vista thread, I thought I would pass it along to try and sort
> through marketing myth and real world facts. I was actually kind of
> hoping the Apogee Symphony would smoke at low latency with Core audio
> and any app, just because it would be cool to have such a
> breakthrough, but this really just shows that ASIO is pushing the
> limits of current OSs already, and we haven't really exceeded it yet.
>
> The reports on Nuendo performance is quite a bit faster on XP and
> ASIO2, but it's running fine at low latency on
> OSX/core audio - just about 20-30% higher (my adjusted
> estimate) plugin load on the same hardware, same latency: it's really
> 76 Nuendo multiband comps at 64 samples on XP/ASIO, vs 45 on OSX/core
> audio at 64, which is almost 50% more, but I'm assuming there are
> other plugins in that benchmark test to compensate for, and vary part
> of that loading (I'll have to find out for sure when I have more time)
> - same dual quad hardware configs in both cases. I don't know for
> sure if some of this is Nuendo not being optimized for the lower level
> OSX code base (maybe already), or still on Cocoa or whatever - or if
> it is truly a limitation of OSX and core audio. Based on the Logic
> thread, the latter seems to have a bit more weight than it being a
> Nuendo-only performance issue.
>
> Fwiw,
> Dedric
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762Chris,
Not to get too OT here but my two DAWs are, as you know based on GA-K8Ns
Ultra 939's with Opteron 185's. The slave DAW has 2 x HDSP 9652's and is
only used for VSTi's and is systemlinked using the full 24 bit path between
one of the slave ADAT ports and the Multiface ADAt port. The master DAW has
2 x 13 slot Magmas. One of the Magmas has a Multiface, a MADI and AES 32.
the other has 4 x UAD-1's and 2 x POCO's. It so stable I'm in shock. I have
had these DAWs online, systemlinked and and working without a single glitch
for almost a month without powering down.
Not a crash, not even a hiccup. I've never once seen that happen with a Mac.
How are those new generation Intel Quads? I saw a post by Scott on the
Nuendo forum that was pretty high praise. Are they to the point now that I
could work at 64k buffers 24/7 with relatively high track counts and use my
32 bit Magma's in a newer compatible mobo with 2 x PCI slots? without having
IRQ trainwrecks? The only reason I'd even consider doing this would be to
lose the necessity for ADM, though that's really less and less of an issue.
Still, it would be nice to just set & forget and be able to use the Cubase
CR function full time for OD's if necessary, even when in the process of
mixing.
Get my drift? ;o)
Deej
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:47c3a404@linux...
> Hi Dedric,
> Apogee is doing nothing that hasn't been done by RME and Lynx for going on
> 3 years now on PC and now on Intel Macs.
> If I want a proprietary hardware system I'd just buy Pro Tools and be done
> with it.
> Now that RME and Lynx are starting to release PCI-e cards the Symphony
> looks less and less attractive.
> Not really sure what is good about it. Only thing I could see is it being
> the first PCI-e card for the MAC.
> About the only fair comparison would be between and RME Madi card at 96k
> and see how it compares against the Symphony numbers.
> They both at this point would need to be running Logic 8 on Leopard to be
> accurate.
>
> I like that Apogee doesn't post the test session on the web site for users
> to down load.
> It would be the fair way for people to see what the card can do compared
> to the card they are using now.
>
> Sorta reminds me of the vague claims Rain Recording made about Vista with
> nothing to back it up other than Microsoft and Cakewalk press releases.
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> Dedric Terry wrote:
>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6693909#6 693909
>> (should take you to the next to last post on that page)
>> Apparently Apogee's numbers are only while tracking. Sounds like they
>> only posted part of the story with their great low latency figures.
>> It is hard to say if this is the case for everyone though, except for
>> Apogee's response when the user called, but since I brought it up in the
>> Vista thread, I thought I would pass it along to try and sort through
>> marketing myth and real world facts. I was actually kind of hoping the
>> Apogee Symphony would smoke at low latency with Core audio and any app,
>> just because it would be cool to have such a breakthrough, but this
>> really just shows that ASIO is pushing the limits of current OSs already,
>> and we haven't really exceeded it yet.
>> The reports on Nuendo performance is quite a bit faster on XP and ASIO2,
>> but it's running fine at low latency on
>> OSX/core audio - just about 20-30% higher (my adjusted estimate) plugin
>> load on the same hardware, same latency: it's really 76 Nuendo multiband
>> comps at 64 samples on XP/ASIO, vs 45 on OSX/core audio at 64, which is
>> almost 50% more, but I'm assuming there are other plugins in that
>> benchmark test to compensate for, and vary part of that loading (I'll
>> have to find out for sure when I have more time) - same dual quad
>> hardware configs in both cases. I don't know for sure if some of this is
>> Nuendo not being optimized for the lower level OSX code base (maybe
>> already), or still on Cocoa or whatever - or if it is truly a limitation
>> of OSX and core audio. Based on the Logic thread, the latter seems to
>> have a bit more weight than it being a Nuendo-only performance issue.
>> Fwiw,
>> Dedric
>>
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762........and the Multiface ADAt port on the master DAW.
"Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message news:47c3a909@linux...
> Chris,
>
> Not to get too OT here but my two DAWs are, as you know based on GA-K8Ns
> Ultra 939's with Opteron 185's. The slave DAW has 2 x HDSP 9652's and is
> only used for VSTi's and is systemlinked using the full 24 bit path
> between one of the slave ADAT ports and the Multiface ADAt port. The
> master DAW has 2 x 13 slot Magmas. One of the Magmas has a Multiface, a
> MADI and AES 32. the other has 4 x UAD-1's and 2 x POCO's. It so stable
> I'm in shock. I have had these DAWs online, systemlinked and and working
> without a single glitch for almost a month without powering down.
>
> Not a crash, not even a hiccup. I've never once seen that happen with a
> Mac.
>
> How are those new generation Intel Quads? I saw a post by Scott on the
> Nuendo forum that was pretty high praise. Are they to the point now that I
> could work at 64k buffers 24/7 with relatively high track counts and use
> my 32 bit Magma's in a newer compatible mobo with 2 x PCI slots? without
> having IRQ trainwrecks? The only reason I'd even consider doing this would
> be to lose the necessity for ADM, though that's really less and less of an
> issue. Still, it would be nice to just set & forget and be able to use the
> Cubase CR function full time for OD's if necessary, even when in the
> process of mixing.
>
> Get my drift? ;o)
>
> Deej
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:47c3a404@linux...
>> Hi Dedric,
>> Apogee is doing nothing that hasn't been done by RME and Lynx for going
>> on 3 years now on PC and now on Intel Macs.
>> If I want a proprietary hardware system I'd just buy Pro Tools and be
>> done with it.
>> Now that RME and Lynx are starting to release PCI-e cards the Symphony
>> looks less and less attractive.
>> Not really sure what is good about it. Only thing I could see is it being
>> the first PCI-e card for the MAC.
>> About the only fair comparison would be between and RME Madi card at 96k
>> and see how it compares against the Symphony numbers.
>> They both at this point would need to be running Logic 8 on Leopard to be
>> accurate.
>>
>> I like that Apogee doesn't post the test session on the web site for
>> users to down load.
>> It would be the fair way for people to see what the card can do compared
>> to the card they are using now.
>>
>> Sorta reminds me of the vague claims Rain Recording made about Vista with
>> nothing to back it up other than Microsoft and Cakewalk press releases.
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6693909#6 693909
>>> (should take you to the next to last post on that page)
>>> Apparently Apogee's numbers are only while tracking. Sounds like they
>>> only posted part of the story with their great low latency figures.
>>> It is hard to say if this is the case for everyone though, except for
>>> Apogee's response when the user called, but since I brought it up in the
>>> Vista thread, I thought I would pass it along to try and sort through
>>> marketing myth and real world facts. I was actually kind of hoping the
>>> Apogee Symphony would smoke at low latency with Core audio and any app,
>>> just because it would be cool to have such a breakthrough, but this
>>> really just shows that ASIO is pushing the limits of current OSs
>>> already, and we haven't really exceeded it yet.
>>> The reports on Nuendo performance is quite a bit faster on XP and
>>> ASIO2, but it's running fine at low latency on
>>> OSX/core audio - just about 20-30% higher (my adjusted estimate) plugin
>>> load on the same hardware, same latency: it's really 76 Nuendo multiband
>>> comps at 64 samples on XP/ASIO, vs 45 on OSX/core audio at 64, which is
>>> almost 50% more, but I'm assuming there are other plugins in that
>>> benchmark test to compensate for, and vary part of that loading (I'll
>>> have to find out for sure when I have more time) - same dual quad
>>> hardware configs in both cases. I don't know for sure if some of this
>>> is Nuendo not being optimized for the lower level OSX code base (maybe
>>> already), or still on Cocoa or whatever - or if it is truly a limitation
>>> of OSX and core audio. Based on the Logic thread, the latter seems to
>>> have a bit more weight than it being a Nuendo-only performance issue.
>>> Fwiw,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>
>John.......are you by any chance, related to Mark Bish, from Austin? If so,
shoot me a PM
animix at animas dot net
DJ
"John Bish" <nosp@m.com> wrote in message news:47c3961d$1@linux...
> Some of you may remember me posting a few months back, looking for someone
> with a PARIS studio, and maybe a bit of data recovery experience. A
> gentleman responded to me via email, and I have lost the message. A data
> recovery person would be fine, but I just thought I would shoot for
> someone who would be sensitive to my situation, and maybe not charge me 3
> grand. If you are the Texan who responded, by all means, tell me!
>
> I sold my entire studio a few years back, and kept only a SCSI drive full
> of unmixed songs and bits of ideas. The drive spins but will not be
> detected by windows. i have tried multiple SCSI adapters, booting into
> Linux, etc. GRUB gives geometry errors. I just want the 30 or so Gigs
> copied to a SATA drive. It's probably 99% garbage, but there is some stuff
> that I'm sentimental about buried on there somewhere. i need the whole
> file structure copied over. It's also important that I don't risk any more
> (?) damage to the drive.
>
> If anyone is interested, please let me know.
>
> If you are in the Portland, OR area, that would be a huge plus. I could
> pay a fee up front, and if it works, give you more.
>
> here is some info on the drive
>
>
>
> IBM Ultrastar 36Z15 Drive, model# ic35l036ucpr15-0. This is the 36.7 GB,
> 15,000 RPM unit. (80p ULTRA 3 SCSI)
>
> I had to get an ultra 160 controller
> and sca adapter 80 pin to SCSI 3
> (with power)
>
>
> Not sure what you would need. I know jack about SCSI. It may just be a
> jumper setting, in which case you could make some quick cash. I think it's
> probably more though. If you are local, know about jumpers, and what all
> that parity and stuff means, I'd be more than happy to give you 50 bucks
> to try it out.
>
> coldstatue att geeeemail dat commm (first part is correct)
>
>
> ThanksNo. I made up a fake last name because there is a dude on here who just
goes by "John" as I wanted to. he requested I add a last name, or at
least a fake one to differentiate.
Mr. Simplicity wrote:
> John.......are you by any chance, related to Mark Bish, from Austin? If so,
> shoot me a PM
>
> animix at animas dot net
>
> DJ
>
> "John Bish" <nosp@m.com> wrote in message news:47c3961d$1@linux...
>> Some of you may remember me posting a few months back, looking for someone
>> with a PARIS studio, and maybe a bit of data recovery experience. A
>> gentleman responded to me via email, and I have lost the message. A data
>> recovery person would be fine, but I just thought I would shoot for
>> someone who would be sensitive to my situation, and maybe not charge me 3
>> grand. If you are the Texan who responded, by all means, tell me!
>>
>> I sold my entire studio a few years back, and kept only a SCSI drive full
>> of unmixed songs and bits of ideas. The drive spins but will not be
>> detected by windows. i have tried multiple SCSI adapters, booting into
>> Linux, etc. GRUB gives geometry errors. I just want the 30 or so Gigs
>> copied to a SATA drive. It's probably 99% garbage, but there is some stuff
>> that I'm sentimental about buried on there somewhere. i need the whole
>> file structure copied over. It's also important that I don't risk any more
>> (?) damage to the drive.
>>
>> If anyone is interested, please let me know.
>>
>> If you are in the Portland, OR area, that would be a huge plus. I could
>> pay a fee up front, and if it works, give you more.
>>
>> here is some info on the drive
>>
>>
>>
>> IBM Ultrastar 36Z15 Drive, model# ic35l036ucpr15-0. This is the 36.7 GB,
>> 15,000 RPM unit. (80p ULTRA 3 SCSI)
>>
>> I had to get an ultra 160 controller
>> and sca adapter 80 pin to SCSI 3
>> (with power)
>>
>>
>> Not sure what you would need. I know jack about SCSI. It may just be a
>> jumper setting, in which case you could make some quick cash. I think it's
>> probably more though. If you are local, know about jumpers, and what all
>> that parity and stuff means, I'd be more than happy to give you 50 bucks
>> to try it out.
>>
>> coldstatue att geeeemail dat commm (first part is correct)
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>
>Thank you, sir. I will do some posting there very soon.
James McCloskey wrote:
> I don't know if this will help, there are some audio guys in portland that
> might be able to help you. Justin runs http://www.audiotalkback.com, he
> is in portland and there are some other guys on that news group. Most of
> those guys are studio owners, they use Pro Tools and other software, but
> they might be able to transfer your files and they are local.
>
> John Bish <nosp@m.com> wrote:
>> Some of you may remember me posting a few months back, looking for
>> someone with a PARIS studio, and maybe a bit of data recovery
>> experience. A gentleman responded to me via email, and I have lost the
>> message. A data recovery person would be fine, but I just thought I
>> would shoot for someone who would be sensitive to my situation, and
>> maybe not charge me 3 grand. If you are the Texan who responded, by all
>
>> means, tell me!
>>
>> I sold my entire studio a few years back, and kept only a SCSI drive
>> full of unmixed songs and bits of ideas. The drive spins but will not be
>
>> detected by windows. i have tried multiple SCSI adapters, booting into
>> Linux, etc. GRUB gives geometry errors. I just want the 30 or so Gigs
>> copied to a SATA drive. It's probably 99% garbage, but there is some
>> stuff that I'm sentimental about buried on there somewhere. i need the
>> whole file structure copied over. It's also important that I don't risk
>
>> any more (?) damage to the drive.
>>
>> If anyone is interested, please let me know.
>>
>> If you are in the Portland, OR area, that would be a huge plus. I could
>
>> pay a fee up front, and if it works, give you more.
>>
>> here is some info on the drive
>>
>>
>>
>> IBM Ultrastar 36Z15 Drive, model# ic35l036ucpr15-0. This is the 36.7 GB,
>
>> 15,000 RPM unit. (80p ULTRA 3 SCSI)
>>
>> I had to get an ultra 160 controller
>> and sca adapter 80 pin to SCSI 3
>> (with power)
>>
>>
>> Not sure what you would need. I know jack about SCSI. It may just be a
>> jumper setting, in which case you could make some quick cash. I think
>> it's probably more though. If you are local, know about jumpers, and
>> what all that parity and stuff means, I'd be more than happy to give you
>
>> 50 bucks to try it out.
>>
>> coldstatue att geeeemail dat commm (first part is correct)
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>Well, that's no good... if you're going to make up a fake name
it should at least be something somewhat Python-esque, like
John Praline, John Smokestoomuch, John Blackmuffin, or John
Twiddlyhamster.
:D
John Bish <nosp@m.com> wrote:
>No. I made up a fake last name because there is a dude on here who just
>goes by "John" as I wanted to. he requested I add a last name, or at
>least a fake one to differentiate.
>
>Mr. Simplicity wrote:
>> John.......are you by any chance, related to Mark Bish, from Austin? If
so,
>> shoot me a PM
>>
>> animix at animas dot net
>>
>> DJ
>>
>> "John Bish" <nosp@m.com> wrote in message news:47c3961d$1@linux...
>>> Some of you may remember me posting a few months back, looking for someone
>>> with a PARIS studio, and maybe a bit of data recovery experience. A
>>> gentleman responded to me via email, and I have lost the message. A data
>>> recovery person would be fine, but I just thought I would shoot for
>>> someone who would be sensitive to my situation, and maybe not charge
me 3
>>> grand. If you are the Texan who responded, by all means, tell me!
>>>
>>> I sold my entire studio a few years back, and kept only a SCSI drive
full
>>> of unmixed songs and bits of ideas. The drive spins but will not be
>>> detected by windows. i have tried multiple SCSI adapters, booting into
>>> Linux, etc. GRUB gives geometry errors. I just want the 30 or so Gigs
>>> copied to a SATA drive. It's probably 99% garbage, but there is some
stuff
>>> that I'm sentimental about buried on there somewhere. i need the whole
>>> file structure copied over. It's also important that I don't risk any
more
>>> (?) damage to the drive.
>>>
>>> If anyone is interested, please let me know.
>>>
>>> If you are in the Portland, OR area, that would be a huge plus. I could
>>> pay a fee up front, and if it works, give you more.
>>>
>>> here is some info on the drive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IBM Ultrastar 36Z15 Drive, model# ic35l036ucpr15-0. This is the 36.7
GB,
>>> 15,000 RPM unit. (80p ULTRA 3 SCSI)
>>>
>>> I had to get an ultra 160 controller
>>> and sca adapter 80 pin to SCSI 3
>>> (with power)
>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure what you would need. I know jack about SCSI. It may just be
a
>>> jumper setting, in which case you could make some quick cash. I think
it's
>>> probably more though. If you are local, know about jumpers, and what
all
>>> that parity and stuff means, I'd be more than happy to give you 50 bucks
>>> to try it out.
>>>
>>> coldstatue att geeeemail dat commm (first part is correct)
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>>http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/Can this be folded small enough to it in a human body cavity?
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:47c44cee$1@linux...
>
> http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/The new MacBook might work better for that.
http://www.apple.com/macbook/
"Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>Can this be folded small enough to it in a human body cavity?
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:47c44cee$1@linux...
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
>
>HI James,
Glad they finally updated the Mac Books with faster cpus and bigger
drives. Hopefully they have replaced the firewire with the TI or Lucent
ones like they silently did on the IMACs.
Chris
James McCloskey wrote:
> http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comChris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI James,
> Glad they finally updated the Mac Books with faster cpus and bigger
>drives. Hopefully they have replaced the firewire with the TI or Lucent
>ones like they silently did on the IMACs.
>
>Chris
If you find out let us know.
>
>
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>> http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.comHi Deej,
With your whacked setup I couldn't tell ya. With those old TC POCOs,
Magma and UADs with the 4 and 8 cores machines. Personally I would wait
for the UAD-2 card to come out. It will stream line you setup sense it
projected to have processing power of 3 current UADs.
The only thing preventing you from working at that buffer now are the
UAD and TC cards. The way they function and the impact on the PCI buss
for them and the Magma prevents that low or lower of a buffer.
Chris
Mr. Simplicity wrote:
> ........and the Multiface ADAt port on the master DAW.
>
> "Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message news:47c3a909@linux...
>> Chris,
>>
>> Not to get too OT here but my two DAWs are, as you know based on GA-K8Ns
>> Ultra 939's with Opteron 185's. The slave DAW has 2 x HDSP 9652's and is
>> only used for VSTi's and is systemlinked using the full 24 bit path
>> between one of the slave ADAT ports and the Multiface ADAt port. The
>> master DAW has 2 x 13 slot Magmas. One of the Magmas has a Multiface, a
>> MADI and AES 32. the other has 4 x UAD-1's and 2 x POCO's. It so stable
>> I'm in shock. I have had these DAWs online, systemlinked and and working
>> without a single glitch for almost a month without powering down.
>>
>> Not a crash, not even a hiccup. I've never once seen that happen with a
>> Mac.
>>
>> How are those new generation Intel Quads? I saw a post by Scott on the
>> Nuendo forum that was pretty high praise. Are they to the point now that I
>> could work at 64k buffers 24/7 with relatively high track counts and use
>> my 32 bit Magma's in a newer compatible mobo with 2 x PCI slots? without
>> having IRQ trainwrecks? The only reason I'd even consider doing this would
>> be to lose the necessity for ADM, though that's really less and less of an
>> issue. Still, it would be nice to just set & forget and be able to use the
>> Cubase CR function full time for OD's if necessary, even when in the
>> process of mixing.
>>
>> Get my drift? ;o)
>>
>> Deej
>>
>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> news:47c3a404@linux...
>>> Hi Dedric,
>>> Apogee is doing nothing that hasn't been done by RME and Lynx for going
>>> on 3 years now on PC and now on Intel Macs.
>>> If I want a proprietary hardware system I'd just buy Pro Tools and be
>>> done with it.
>>> Now that RME and Lynx are starting to release PCI-e cards the Symphony
>>> looks less and less attractive.
>>> Not really sure what is good about it. Only thing I could see is it being
>>> the first PCI-e card for the MAC.
>>> About the only fair comparison would be between and RME Madi card at 96k
>>> and see how it compares against the Symphony numbers.
>>> They both at this point would need to be running Logic 8 on Leopard to be
>>> accurate.
>>>
>>> I like that Apogee doesn't post the test session on the web site for
>>> users to down load.
>>> It would be the fair way for people to see what the card can do compared
>>> to the card they are using now.
>>>
>>> Sorta reminds me of the vague claims Rain Recording made about Vista with
>>> nothing to back it up other than Microsoft and Cakewalk press releases.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6693909#6 693909
>>>> (should take you to the next to last post on that page)
>>>> Apparently Apogee's numbers are only while tracking. Sounds like they
>>>> only posted part of the story with their great low latency figures.
>>>> It is hard to say if this is the case for everyone though, except for
>>>> Apogee's response when the user called, but since I brought it up in the
>>>> Vista thread, I thought I would pass it along to try and sort through
>>>> marketing myth and real world facts. I was actually kind of hoping the
>>>> Apogee Symphony would smoke at low latency with Core audio and any app,
>>>> just because it would be cool to have such a breakthrough, but this
>>>> really just shows that ASIO is pushing the limits of current OSs
>>>> already, and we haven't really exceeded it yet.
>>>> The reports on Nuendo performance is quite a bit faster on XP and
>>>> ASIO2, but it's running fine at low latency on
>>>> OSX/core audio - just about 20-30% higher (my adjusted estimate) plugin
>>>> load on the same hardware, same latency: it's really 76 Nuendo multiband
>>>> comps at 64 samples on XP/ASIO, vs 45 on OSX/core audio at 64, which is
>>>> almost 50% more, but I'm assuming there are other plugins in that
>>>> benchmark test to compensate for, and vary part of that loading (I'll
>>>> have to find out for sure when I have more time) - same dual quad
>>>> hardware configs in both cases. I don't know for sure if some of this
>>>> is Nuendo not being optimized for the lower level OSX code base (maybe
>>>> already), or still on Cocoa or whatever - or if it is truly a limitation
>>>> of OSX and core audio. Based on the Logic thread, the latter seems to
>>>> have a bit more weight than it being a Nuendo-only performance issue.
>>>> Fwiw,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comHI James,
Order one form me and I will !!! :)
Not like any of the Apple reps will know. Our rep didn't even know about
the firewire issues till I sent him all the Apple forum posts.
Chris
James McCloskey wrote:
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> HI James,
>> Glad they finally updated the Mac Books with faster cpus and bigger
>> drives. Hopefully they have replaced the firewire with the TI or Lucent
>
>> ones like they silently did on the IMACs.
>>
>> Chris
>
> If you find out let us know.
>
>
>>
>>
>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>> http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comSounds like the ultimate compressor / limter.
http://www.abbeyroadplugins.com/product_reviews_TG_12413_Lim iter_29988.aspx
"Bass guitar tracks can be made to “freeze” in level change."
http://www.abbeyroadplugins.com/Does anyone know if these work in Paris?
"John" <no@nowtf.com> wrote:
>
>Sounds like the ultimate compressor / limter.
> http://www.abbeyroadplugins.com/product_reviews_TG_12413_Lim iter_29988.aspx
>"Bass guitar tracks can be made to “freeze” in level change."
>
>
>http://www.abbeyroadplugins.com/I was thinking I'd go Native American... maybe John Expanding Belly.
Neil wrote:
> Well, that's no good... if you're going to make up a fake name
> it should at least be something somewhat Python-esque, like
> John Praline, John Smokestoomuch, John Blackmuffin, or John
> Twiddlyhamster.
>
> :D
>
>
>
> John Bish <nosp@m.com> wrote:
>> No. I made up a fake last name because there is a dude on here who just
>
>> goes by "John" as I wanted to. he requested I add a last name, or at
>> least a fake one to differentiate.
>>
>> Mr. Simplicity wrote:
>>> John.......are you by any chance, related to Mark Bish, from Austin? If
> so,
>>> shoot me a PM
>>>
>>> animix at animas dot net
>>>
>>> DJ
>>>
>>> "John Bish" <nosp@m.com> wrote in message news:47c3961d$1@linux...
>>>> Some of you may remember me posting a few months back, looking for someone
>
>>>> with a PARIS studio, and maybe a bit of data recovery experience. A
>>>> gentleman responded to me via email, and I have lost the message. A data
>
>>>> recovery person would be fine, but I just thought I would shoot for
>>>> someone who would be sensitive to my situation, and maybe not charge
> me 3
>>>> grand. If you are the Texan who responded, by all means, tell me!
>>>>
>>>> I sold my entire studio a few years back, and kept only a SCSI drive
> full
>>>> of unmixed songs and bits of ideas. The drive spins but will not be
>>>> detected by windows. i have tried multiple SCSI adapters, booting into
>
>>>> Linux, etc. GRUB gives geometry errors. I just want the 30 or so Gigs
>
>>>> copied to a SATA drive. It's probably 99% garbage, but there is some
> stuff
>>>> that I'm sentimental about buried on there somewhere. i need the whole
>
>>>> file structure copied over. It's also important that I don't risk any
> more
>>>> (?) damage to the drive.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone is interested, please let me know.
>>>>
>>>> If you are in the Portland, OR area, that would be a huge plus. I could
>
>>>> pay a fee up front, and if it works, give you more.
>>>>
>>>> here is some info on the drive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IBM Ultrastar 36Z15 Drive, model# ic35l036ucpr15-0. This is the 36.7
> GB,
>>>> 15,000 RPM unit. (80p ULTRA 3 SCSI)
>>>>
>>>> I had to get an ultra 160 controller
>>>> and sca adapter 80 pin to SCSI 3
>>>> (with power)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not sure what you would need. I know jack about SCSI. It may just be
> a
>>>> jumper setting, in which case you could make some quick cash. I think
> it's
>>>> probably more though. If you are local, know about jumpers, and what
> all
>>>> that parity and stuff means, I'd be more than happy to give you 50 bucks
>
>>>> to try it out.
>>>>
>>>> coldstatue att geeeemail dat commm (first part is correct)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>Hey,
A while back someone mentioned a (free?) utility for testing Ram on
XP... anyone remember what that is??? I think I have some bad Ram in a
machine and I would like to test it before I start un-racking and
dismantling...
Thanks,
David.Hi David,
www.memtest.org
Chris
EK Sound wrote:
> Hey,
>
> A while back someone mentioned a (free?) utility for testing Ram on
> XP... anyone remember what that is??? I think I have some bad Ram in a
> machine and I would like to test it before I start un-racking and
> dismantling...
>
> Thanks,
>
> David.
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comhttp://www.memtest.org/Hi John,
Justin Arey and I are good friends, both living in PDX. In fact, we work
together at Xerox in Wilsonville.
I spoke with him this morning re: your SCSI issue and he's definitely interested
in hearing from you. He's got all the machines necessary and if you can supply
the drive, controller and cables, I'm sure he'll be happy to assist.
The email address that James provided is correct.
Best of luck!
Mark
John Bish <nosp@m.com> wrote:
>Some of you may remember me posting a few months back, looking for
>someone with a PARIS studio, and maybe a bit of data recovery
>experience. A gentleman responded to me via email, and I have lost the
>message. A data recovery person would be fine, but I just thought I
>would shoot for someone who would be sensitive to my situation, and
>maybe not charge me 3 grand. If you are the Texan who responded, by all
>means, tell me!
>
>I sold my entire studio a few years back, and kept only a SCSI drive
>full of unmixed songs and bits of ideas. The drive spins but will not be
>detected by windows. i have tried multiple SCSI adapters, booting into
>Linux, etc. GRUB gives geometry errors. I just want the 30 or so Gigs
>copied to a SATA drive. It's probably 99% garbage, but there is some
>stuff that I'm sentimental about buried on there somewhere. i need the
>whole file structure copied over. It's also important that I don't risk
>any more (?) damage to the drive.
>
>If anyone is interested, please let me know.
>
>If you are in the Portland, OR area, that would be a huge plus. I could
>pay a fee up front, and if it works, give you more.
>
>here is some info on the drive
>
>
>
>IBM Ultrastar 36Z15 Drive, model# ic35l036ucpr15-0. This is the 36.7 GB,
>15,000 RPM unit. (80p ULTRA 3 SCSI)
>
>I had to get an ultra 160 controller
>and sca adapter 80 pin to SCSI 3
>(with power)
>
>
>Not sure what you would need. I know jack about SCSI. It may just be a
>jumper setting, in which case you could make some quick cash. I think
>it's probably more though. If you are local, know about jumpers, and
>what all that parity and stuff means, I'd be more than happy to give you
>50 bucks to try it out.
>
>coldstatue att geeeemail dat commm (first part is correct)
>
>
>ThanksHi John - I live in Portland and might be able to help. Please email me at
justin@jyaf.com - I'll email you back my phone number.
Thanks.
Justin
John Bish <nosp@m.com> wrote:
>Some of you may remember me posting a few months back, looking for
>someone with a PARIS studio, and maybe a bit of data recovery
>experience. A gentleman responded to me via email, and I have lost the
>message. A data recovery person would be fine, but I just thought I
>would shoot for someone who would be sensitive to my situation, and
>maybe not charge me 3 grand. If you are the Texan who responded, by all
>means, tell me!
>
>I sold my entire studio a few years back, and kept only a SCSI drive
>full of unmixed songs and bits of ideas. The drive spins but will not be
>detected by windows. i have tried multiple SCSI adapters, booting into
>Linux, etc. GRUB gives geometry errors. I just want the 30 or so Gigs
>copied to a SATA drive. It's probably 99% garbage, but there is some
>stuff that I'm sentimental about buried on there somewhere. i need the
>whole file structure copied over. It's also important that I don't risk
>any more (?) damage to the drive.
>
>If anyone is interested, please let me know.
>
>If you are in the Portland, OR area, that would be a huge plus. I could
>pay a fee up front, and if it works, give you more.
>
>here is some info on the drive
>
>
>
>IBM Ultrastar 36Z15 Drive, model# ic35l036ucpr15-0. This is the 36.7 GB,
>15,000 RPM unit. (80p ULTRA 3 SCSI)
>
>I had to get an ultra 160 controller
>and sca adapter 80 pin to SCSI 3
>(with power)
>
>
>Not sure what you would need. I know jack about SCSI. It may just be a
>jumper setting, in which case you could make some quick cash. I think
>it's probably more though. If you are local, know about jumpers, and
>what all that parity and stuff means, I'd be more than happy to give you
>50 bucks to try it out.
>
>coldstatue att geeeemail dat commm (first part is correct)
>
>
>ThanksI downloaded the firmware update, but when I run the installer it says I must
be booted into system 9. It is my understanding that in order to install
a bootable system 9, I need the original install disk(s). I have a single
install disk, but I've checked several apple forums, and unless I am missing
something, the system 9 install stuff must be on a different disk that I
don't have. The local Mac store won't sell me a replacement disk(s), but
they say they will install system 9 onto my machine for $45.
Obviously, it would be preferable to have the disk(s) so I can re-install
system 9 if/when necessary in the future.
I looked on Ebay, and there is a set of 4 install disks for MDD that is
up for sale, which I will try to bid on.
Does anyone have any other ideas on how to get these disks?
Thanks,
Dale
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Mac OSX has protected memory, so I'd check the support site for the latest
>firmware. Is the machine locking up running OSX? Do you have an Apple
retail
>store near you?
>
>"dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>thanks James,
>>
>>If I make this machine my Paris rig, I will be running OS9, but have not
>>tried that yet. I'm currently running 10.4.9, but also using Classic. I
>think
>>it freezes up with classic running or not---but I can try not using Classic
>>and see if that makes a difference. Do you think I need to change some
kind
>>of settings in classic? Or allocate more memory to OS9 apps? I thought
OSX
>>automatically handled memory.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dale
>>
>>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>My Dual Mirror door G4 dual 1.25 runs hot as well,but I've never had problems
>>>with freeze up. Your problem may be hardware/heat related, but my first
>>>guess is software. There was a firmware down load related to heat and
>noise.
>>> I would check Apple's support site for the latest firmware. Are you
>freezing
>>>when running OS 9 or OSX? If your freezing in OS9, don't forget that
OS
>>>9 does not have protected memory, so you may need to allocate more memory
>>>to programs. It was the biggest flaw with Mac OS 9 and prior, users would
>>>forget to up the memory for all the programs they are running and they'd
>>>get a lock up or crash.
>>>
>>>I hope this helps!
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>To James & all you mac guys,
>>>>
>>>>I bought a Mirror Door Drive G4 mac (single processor) on Ebay about
a
>>year
>>>>ago, with the idea of making it my Paris machine, but I thought I would
>>>test
>>>>it first without Paris. At first it seemed to work fine, but it soon
started
>>>>freezing up, usually after a few hours of use. I opened the case and
put
>>>>a 12" fan pointed directly at the processor, and it worked perfectly
for
>>>>awhile, but after a few months it was back to the old tricks. Definitely
>>>>heat related, as it's worse on hot days or if I keep my computer closet
>>>closed
>>>>with the light on.
>>>>
>>>>Any ideas on what I might try?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Dale
>>>
>>
>Fuck DJ. I may die without it. Those reviews were positively panegyrical.
John wrote:
> Sounds like the ultimate compressor / limter.
> http://www.abbeyroadplugins.com/product_reviews_TG_12413_Lim iter_29988.aspx
> "Bass guitar tracks can be made to “freeze” in level change."
>
>
> http://www.abbeyroadplugins.com/Did you check to see if OS9 is already installed? You can check by going
to system preferences, Start up disk. If there is an OS9 folder in there,
click on it and hit restart. I don't however think this will help you with
OSX freeze ups. I would make an appointment at the Genus bar at your Apple
store and have them look at it.
"dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I downloaded the firmware update, but when I run the installer it says I
must
>be booted into system 9. It is my understanding that in order to install
>a bootable system 9, I need the original install disk(s). I have a single
>install disk, but I've checked several apple forums, and unless I am missing
>something, the system 9 install stuff must be on a different disk that I
>don't have. The local Mac store won't sell me a replacement disk(s), but
>they say they will install system 9 onto my machine for $45.
>
>Obviously, it would be preferable to have the disk(s) so I can re-install
>system 9 if/when necessary in the future.
>
>I looked on Ebay, and there is a set of 4 install disks for MDD that is
>up for sale, which I will try to bid on.
>
>Does anyone have any other ideas on how to get these disks?
>
>Thanks,
>Dale
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Mac OSX has protected memory, so I'd check the support site for the latest
>>firmware. Is the machine locking up running OSX? Do you have an Apple
>retail
>>store near you?
>>
>>"dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>thanks James,
>>>
>>>If I make this machine my Paris rig, I will be running OS9, but have not
>>>tried that yet. I'm currently running 10.4.9, but also using Classic.
I
>>think
>>>it freezes up with classic running or not---but I can try not using Classic
>>>and see if that makes a difference. Do you think I need to change some
>kind
>>>of settings in classic? Or allocate more memory to OS9 apps? I thought
>OSX
>>>automatically handled memory.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Dale
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>My Dual Mirror door G4 dual 1.25 runs hot as well,but I've never had
problems
>>>>with freeze up. Your problem may be hardware/heat related, but my first
>>>>guess is software. There was a firmware down load related to heat and
>>noise.
>>>> I would check Apple's support site for the latest firmware. Are you
>>freezing
>>>>when running OS 9 or OSX? If your freezing in OS9, don't forget that
>OS
>>>>9 does not have protected memory, so you may need to allocate more memory
>>>>to programs. It was the biggest flaw with Mac OS 9 and prior, users
would
>>>>forget to up the memory for all the programs they are running and they'd
>>>>get a lock up or crash.
>>>>
>>>>I hope this helps!
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>To James & all you mac guys,
>>>>>
>>>>>I bought a Mirror Door Drive G4 mac (single processor) on Ebay about
>a
>>>year
>>>>>ago, with the idea of making it my Paris machine, but I thought I would
>>>>test
>>>>>it first without Paris. At first it seemed to work fine, but it soon
>started
>>>>>freezing up, usually after a few hours of use. I opened the case and
>put
>>>>>a 12" fan pointed directly at the processor, and it worked perfectly
>for
>>>>>awhile, but after a few months it was back to the old tricks. Definitely
>>>>>heat related, as it's worse on hot days or if I keep my computer closet
>>>>closed
>>>>>with the light on.
>>>>>
>>>>>Any ideas on what I might try?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Dale
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Thank you Chris for stating what I have been saying for years now.
All this tech talk :($$$$$$$$$$) about low latency on native solutions, is
very costly AND, I might add, as Thad has said on numerous ocassions, have
gained nothing!! due to that fact that we are all beholding to MS Vista/XP
and OSX..
On the Nuendo.com website 10 mile post on system performance specs is sickening!.
Who cares? All, one should want is
A stable running system, that performes the task thats needed.
I'm with the get Protools HD(X) and be done with it. There are those on this
and other sites how have sunk major$$$$ trying to "perice-Mill_ a working
DAW hat outperforms ProTools HD. That's cool, but I would these folks have
spent "More" money than just buying a super hot-rod ProTools HD6..
Note: Out 2 HD rigs on G5's also run Nuendo(Via Digis Asio drivers)..Runs
great, and is as stable as ever. I can mix a 70 track project with alot of
plugins on that baby. So, Getting a ProTools HD rig is not 'So Closed" as
some here believes.
Back to the subject:
If you were to do a search on Gearslutz on the symphony, yoou'd see that
I slammed that card saying that "for a 1k or even 700 dollars, "What am I
getting".. No DSP, nothing but a glorified half baked mixer that allows you
to play itunes .. Not impressed.
While we're onthe subject, I think RME's total mix should be simplified like
Motu's MkIII DSP cue mixer app. Simple, yet very powerful.
Now look at all of us-you who have stayed on the PC/Mac upgrade bandwagon.
Spent $$$ major money chasing the zero latency Native dream..Only to run
into the win XP/Vista brick wall of doom..
The lie of the 64 bit dream.. Dual core this and that..SHAM!!!
My Win ME Paris (4 card) rig still is as stable as it ever was.
All in all, it's your money, spend it how you may, but one thing is for sure,
If are working on a major lable recording, it better be delivered in ProTools..
You want a job working a sudio or media house, you better know Pro Tools..
So, we can sit hear discussing Native torture test wasting time(IMHO) when
a vialble solution is already on the market that can be had these days for
under 10k..belive it or not.hat yields a very polished sound, very very flexible
i/o routing for hardware owners..super low-latency that allows you to track
and mixrealtime live sessions..and oh yeah.. Super stable..
So, just look at the reciepts from the last 5 years on or Native Dream journey
and add em up. Then, add up all those clients who utter that all familiar
phrase" Do you have Pro Tools"?..
I guess it comes down to is his this: Are you in the game or are you not?
Simple..
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi Dedric,
>Apogee is doing nothing that hasn't been done by RME and Lynx for going
>on 3 years now on PC and now on Intel Macs.
>If I want a proprietary hardware system I'd just buy Pro Tools and be
>done with it.
>Now that RME and Lynx are starting to release PCI-e cards the Symphony
>looks less and less attractive.
>Not really sure what is good about it. Only thing I could see is it
>being the first PCI-e card for the MAC.
>About the only fair comparison would be between and RME Madi card at 96k
>and see how it compares against the Symphony numbers.
>They both at this point would need to be running Logic 8 on Leopard to
>be accurate.
>
>I like that Apogee doesn't post the test session on the web site for
>users to down load.
>It would be the fair way for people to see what the card can do compared
>to the card they are using now.
>
>Sorta reminds me of the vague claims Rain Recording made about Vista
>with nothing to back it up other than Microsoft and Cakewalk press releases.
>
>
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>Dedric Terry wrote:
>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6693909#6 693909 (should
>> take you to the next to last post on that page)
>>
>> Apparently Apogee's numbers are only while tracking. Sounds like they
>> only posted part of the story with their great low latency figures.
>> It is hard to say if this is the case for everyone though, except for
>> Apogee's response when the user called, but since I brought it up in
>> the Vista thread, I thought I would pass it along to try and sort
>> through marketing myth and real world facts. I was actually kind of
>> hoping the Apogee Symphony would smoke at low latency with Core audio
>> and any app, just because it would be cool to have such a
>> breakthrough, but this really just shows that ASIO is pushing the
>> limits of current OSs already, and we haven't really exceeded it yet.
>>
>> The reports on Nuendo performance is quite a bit faster on XP and
>> ASIO2, but it's running fine at low latency on
>> OSX/core audio - just about 20-30% higher (my adjusted
>> estimate) plugin load on the same hardware, same latency: it's really
>> 76 Nuendo multiband comps at 64 samples on XP/ASIO, vs 45 on OSX/core
>> audio at 64, which is almost 50% more, but I'm assuming there are
>> other plugins in that benchmark test to compensate for, and vary part
>> of that loading (I'll have to find out for sure when I have more time)
>> - same dual quad hardware configs in both cases. I don't know for
>> sure if some of this is Nuendo not being optimized for the lower level
>> OSX code base (maybe already), or still on Cocoa or whatever - or if
>> it is truly a limitation of OSX and core audio. Based on the Logic
>> thread, the latter seems to have a bit more weight than it being a
>> Nuendo-only performance issue.
>>
>> Fwiw,
>> Dedric
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762I'm sorry I ever posted this - wrong forum.
Dedric
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:47c4bb50$1@linux...
>
> Thank you Chris for stating what I have been saying for years now.
>
> All this tech talk :($$$$$$$$$$) about low latency on native solutions, is
> very costly AND, I might add, as Thad has said on numerous ocassions, have
> gained nothing!! due to that fact that we are all beholding to MS Vista/XP
> and OSX..
>
> On the Nuendo.com website 10 mile post on system performance specs is
> sickening!.
> Who cares? All, one should want is
>
> A stable running system, that performes the task thats needed.
>
> I'm with the get Protools HD(X) and be done with it. There are those on
> this
> and other sites how have sunk major$$$$ trying to "perice-Mill_ a working
> DAW hat outperforms ProTools HD. That's cool, but I would these folks have
> spent "More" money than just buying a super hot-rod ProTools HD6..
>
> Note: Out 2 HD rigs on G5's also run Nuendo(Via Digis Asio drivers)..Runs
> great, and is as stable as ever. I can mix a 70 track project with alot of
> plugins on that baby. So, Getting a ProTools HD rig is not 'So Closed" as
> some here believes.
>
> Back to the subject:
> If you were to do a search on Gearslutz on the symphony, yoou'd see that
> I slammed that card saying that "for a 1k or even 700 dollars, "What am I
> getting".. No DSP, nothing but a glorified half baked mixer that allows
> you
> to play itunes .. Not impressed.
>
> While we're onthe subject, I think RME's total mix should be simplified
> like
> Motu's MkIII DSP cue mixer app. Simple, yet very powerful.
>
> Now look at all of us-you who have stayed on the PC/Mac upgrade bandwagon.
> Spent $$$ major money chasing the zero latency Native dream..Only to run
> into the win XP/Vista brick wall of doom..
> The lie of the 64 bit dream.. Dual core this and that..SHAM!!!
>
> My Win ME Paris (4 card) rig still is as stable as it ever was.
>
> All in all, it's your money, spend it how you may, but one thing is for
> sure,
> If are working on a major lable recording, it better be delivered in
> ProTools..
> You want a job working a sudio or media house, you better know Pro Tools..
>
> So, we can sit hear discussing Native torture test wasting time(IMHO) when
> a vialble solution is already on the market that can be had these days for
> under 10k..belive it or not.hat yields a very polished sound, very very
> flexible
> i/o routing for hardware owners..super low-latency that allows you to
> track
> and mixrealtime live sessions..and oh yeah.. Super stable..
>
> So, just look at the reciepts from the last 5 years on or Native Dream
> journey
> and add em up. Then, add up all those clients who utter that all familiar
> phrase" Do you have Pro Tools"?..
>
> I guess it comes down to is his this: Are you in the game or are you not?
> Simple..
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>Hi Dedric,
>>Apogee is doing nothing that hasn't been done by RME and Lynx for going
>
>>on 3 years now on PC and now on Intel Macs.
>>If I want a proprietary hardware system I'd just buy Pro Tools and be
>>done with it.
>>Now that RME and Lynx are starting to release PCI-e cards the Symphony
>>looks less and less attractive.
>>Not really sure what is good about it. Only thing I could see is it
>>being the first PCI-e card for the MAC.
>>About the only fair comparison would be between and RME Madi card at 96k
>
>>and see how it compares against the Symphony numbers.
>>They both at this point would need to be running Logic 8 on Leopard to
>>be accurate.
>>
>>I like that Apogee doesn't post the test session on the web site for
>>users to down load.
>>It would be the fair way for people to see what the card can do compared
>
>>to the card they are using now.
>>
>>Sorta reminds me of the vague claims Rain Recording made about Vista
>>with nothing to back it up other than Microsoft and Cakewalk press
>>releases.
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Dedric Terry wrote:
>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6693909#6 693909
>>> (should
>
>>> take you to the next to last post on that page)
>>>
>>> Apparently Apogee's numbers are only while tracking. Sounds like they
>
>>> only posted part of the story with their great low latency figures.
>>> It is hard to say if this is the case for everyone though, except for
>
>>> Apogee's response when the user called, but since I brought it up in
>>> the Vista thread, I thought I would pass it along to try and sort
>>> through marketing myth and real world facts. I was actually kind of
>>> hoping the Apogee Symphony would smoke at low latency with Core audio
>
>>> and any app, just because it would be cool to have such a
>>> breakthrough, but this really just shows that ASIO is pushing the
>>> limits of current OSs already, and we haven't really exceeded it yet.
>>>
>>> The reports on Nuendo performance is quite a bit faster on XP and
>>> ASIO2, but it's running fine at low latency on
>>> OSX/core audio - just about 20-30% higher (my adjusted
>>> estimate) plugin load on the same hardware, same latency: it's really
>
>>> 76 Nuendo multiband comps at 64 samples on XP/ASIO, vs 45 on OSX/core
>
>>> audio at 64, which is almost 50% more, but I'm assuming there are
>>> other plugins in that benchmark test to compensate for, and vary part
>
>>> of that loading (I'll have to find out for sure when I have more time)
>
>>> - same dual quad hardware configs in both cases. I don't know for
>>> sure if some of this is Nuendo not being optimized for the lower level
>
>>> OSX code base (maybe already), or still on Cocoa or whatever - or if
>>> it is truly a limitation of OSX and core audio. Based on the Logic
>>> thread, the latter seems to have a bit more weight than it being a
>>> Nuendo-only performance issue.
>>>
>>> Fwiw,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
>That's some deep shit, dude. Enjoyed listening to the samples. By the way,
since I developed Embochure Dystonia, I have been playing a Synthophone, sax
midi controller, designed by Martin Hurni, Switzerland. The possibilities
are really endless with the thing, limited only by the samples you can
trigger and your imagination. So are you triggering the synths, percussion
and basses with the Steinerphone. I hear a sax player in there, mostly in
the background. Like the Harmon mute, yeah.
Best,
Rich
"Louis Guarino Jr." <kateeba@snet.net> wrote in message
news:47bf70a0$1@linux...
>
> Wow! After a long, long time, I finally got my 2nd CD finished and made.
> It was recorded entirely in Paris, and mastered entirely in Paris by our
> own Sakis. It is called, "Images of Movements thru Time and Space."
>
> It is a bit difficult to categorize, as it has roots in jazz due to the
> improvisation involved, yet it also has classical and avant garde roots.
> There is more information about the CD, along with some mp3 samples on
> my site at www.enchantedvibrations.net
>
> I even got Gene Lennon involved in checking out my mixes early on. I
have
> some GREAT players joining me, including guitarist Michael Gregory.
Check
> it out.
>
> Lou GuarinoOMG, that's the truth. Good one Aaron.
Rich
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:47be5b5c$1@linux...
> While walking down the street one day a US
> senator is tragically hit by a truck and dies.
> His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at
> the Golden Gate.
>
> "Welcome to heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you
> settle in, it seems
> there is a problem. We seldom see a high official
> around these parts,
> you see, so we're not sure what to do with you." "No
> problem, just
> let me in," says the man. "Well, I'd like to, but I
> have orders from
> higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day
> in hell and one in
> heaven. Then you can choose where to spend
> eternity." "Really, I've made
> up my mind. I want to be in heaven," says the
> senator. "I'm sorry, but
> we have our rules."
>
> And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator
> and he goes down,
> down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds
> himself in the middle
> of a green golf course. In the distance is a
> clubhouse and standing in
> front of it are all his friends and other politicians
> who had worked
> with him.
>
> Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run
> to greet him,
> shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times
> they had while
> getting rich at the expense of the people. They play
> a friendly game of golf
> and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne.
>
> Also present is the devil, who really is a very
> friendly guy who has a
> good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having
> such a good time
> that before he realizes it, it is time to go.
>
> Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while
> the elevator
> rises...
>
> The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on
> heaven where St.
> Peter is waiting for him.
>
> "Now it's time to visit heaven."
>
> So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of
> contented souls
> moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and
> singing. They have a
> good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours
> have gone by and St.
> Peter returns.
>
> "Well then, you've spent a day in hell and another in
> heaven. Now choose your eternity."
>
> The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers:
> "Well, I would
> never have said it before, I mean heaven has been
> delightful, but I think
> I would be better off in hell."
>
> So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes
> down, down, down to hell.
>
> Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the
> middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage.
>
> He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up
> the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from
> above.
>
> The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around
> his shoulder. "I don't understand," stammers the senator. "Yesterday
> I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate
> lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now
> there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable.
> What happened?"
>
> The devil looks at him, smiles and says, "Yesterday we
> were campaigning...... Today you voted."
>
>Yo D,
I have to say as a lurker/reader/bystander that I appreciated your post. I
find it interesting and apprecated the findings on the current state of
native DAW in the real world. Makes me happy I'm not trying to push the
envelope with Native, to be honest, and glad I still have Paris around for
tracking and mixing, even sans 96k+. If I absolutely gotta have native, I
pull up a tascam to dump synths or fire up the Creamware rig. I still feel
native has a little ways to go, but seeing what's on the table helps ground
me in the reality of the situation, rather than what's been sent to press.
Thanks dude. Sorry you felt like an audio post in a (gulp) audio forum
brought out the wrath.
AA
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message news:47c4c144$1@linux...
> I'm sorry I ever posted this - wrong forum.
>
> DedricOS 9 (Classic) is installed (on more than one HD), but when I go to system
Preferences / Startup Disk, the only Systems that show up to select to boot
with are the OS X ones. It's my understanding that even a dragged-over system
9 will work for classic, but to make system 9 bootable, the original disks
(set of 4, I think) that came with the MDD must be used.
What I'm wondering is, can these original MDD disks be copied? If not, then
I guess I will bid high to try and snag the ones on Ebay.
Dale
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Did you check to see if OS9 is already installed? You can check by going
>to system preferences, Start up disk. If there is an OS9 folder in there,
>click on it and hit restart. I don't however think this will help you with
>OSX freeze ups. I would make an appointment at the Genus bar at your Apple
>store and have them look at it.
>
>"dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>I downloaded the firmware update, but when I run the installer it says
I
>must
>>be booted into system 9. It is my understanding that in order to install
>>a bootable system 9, I need the original install disk(s). I have a single
>>install disk, but I've checked several apple forums, and unless I am missing
>>something, the system 9 install stuff must be on a different disk that
I
>>don't have. The local Mac store won't sell me a replacement disk(s), but
>>they say they will install system 9 onto my machine for $45.
>>
>>Obviously, it would be preferable to have the disk(s) so I can re-install
>>system 9 if/when necessary in the future.
>>
>>I looked on Ebay, and there is a set of 4 install disks for MDD that is
>>up for sale, which I will try to bid on.
>>
>>Does anyone have any other ideas on how to get these disks?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dale
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Mac OSX has protected memory, so I'd check the support site for the latest
>>>firmware. Is the machine locking up running OSX? Do you have an Apple
>>retail
>>>store near you?
>>>
>>>"dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>thanks James,
>>>>
>>>>If I make this machine my Paris rig, I will be running OS9, but have
not
>>>>tried that yet. I'm currently running 10.4.9, but also using Classic.
>I
>>>think
>>>>it freezes up with classic running or not---but I can try not using Classic
>>>>and see if that makes a difference. Do you think I need to change some
>>kind
>>>>of settings in classic? Or allocate more memory to OS9 apps? I thought
>>OSX
>>>>automatically handled memory.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Dale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>My Dual Mirror door G4 dual 1.25 runs hot as well,but I've never had
>problems
>>>>>with freeze up. Your problem may be hardware/heat related, but my first
>>>>>guess is software. There was a firmware down load related to heat and
>>>noise.
>>>>> I would check Apple's support site for the latest firmware. Are you
>>>freezing
>>>>>when running OS 9 or OSX? If your freezing in OS9, don't forget that
>>OS
>>>>>9 does not have protected memory, so you may need to allocate more memory
>>>>>to programs. It was the biggest flaw with Mac OS 9 and prior, users
>would
>>>>>forget to up the memory for all the programs they are running and they'd
>>>>>get a lock up or crash.
>>>>>
>>>>>I hope this helps!
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>>"dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To James & all you mac guys,
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| Re: Merry Christmas to all. [message #93985 is a reply to message #93980] |
Mon, 24 December 2007 19:14 |
emarenot
Messages: 345
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>>
>> All in all, it's your money, spend it how you may, but one thing is for
>> sure,
>> If are working on a major lable recording, it better be delivered in
>> ProTools..
>> You want a job working a sudio or media house, you better know Pro Tools..
>>
>> So, we can sit hear discussing Native torture test wasting time(IMHO)
when
>> a vialble solution is already on the market that can be had these days
for
>> under 10k..belive it or not.hat yields a very polished sound, very very
>> flexible
>> i/o routing for hardware owners..super low-latency that allows you to
>> track
>> and mixrealtime live sessions..and oh yeah.. Super stable..
>>
>> So, just look at the reciepts from the last 5 years on or Native Dream
>> journey
>> and add em up. Then, add up all those clients who utter that all familiar
>> phrase" Do you have Pro Tools"?..
>>
>> I guess it comes down to is his this: Are you in the game or are you not?
>> Simple..
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>Hi Dedric,
>>>Apogee is doing nothing that hasn't been done by RME and Lynx for going
>>
>>>on 3 years now on PC and now on Intel Macs.
>>>If I want a proprietary hardware system I'd just buy Pro Tools and be
>>>done with it.
>>>Now that RME and Lynx are starting to release PCI-e cards the Symphony
>>>looks less and less attractive.
>>>Not really sure what is good about it. Only thing I could see is it
>>>being the first PCI-e card for the MAC.
>>>About the only fair comparison would be between and RME Madi card at 96k
>>
>>>and see how it compares against the Symphony numbers.
>>>They both at this point would need to be running Logic 8 on Leopard to
>>>be accurate.
>>>
>>>I like that Apogee doesn't post the test session on the web site for
>>>users to down load.
>>>It would be the fair way for people to see what the card can do compared
>>
>>>to the card they are using now.
>>>
>>>Sorta reminds me of the vague claims Rain Recording made about Vista
>>>with nothing to back it up other than Microsoft and Cakewalk press
>>>releases.
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6693909#6 693909
>>>> (should
>>
>>>> take you to the next to last post on that page)
>>>>
>>>> Apparently Apogee's numbers are only while tracking. Sounds like they
>>
>>>> only posted part of the story with their great low latency figures.
>>>> It is hard to say if this is the case for everyone though, except for
>>
>>>> Apogee's response when the user called, but since I brought it up in
>>>> the Vista thread, I thought I would pass it along to try and sort
>>>> through marketing myth and real world facts. I was actually kind of
>>>> hoping the Apogee Symphony would smoke at low latency with Core audio
>>
>>>> and any app, just because it would be cool to have such a
>>>> breakthrough, but this really just shows that ASIO is pushing the
>>>> limits of current OSs already, and we haven't really exceeded it yet.
>>>>
>>>> The reports on Nuendo performance is quite a bit faster on XP and
>>>> ASIO2, but it's running fine at low latency on
>>>> OSX/core audio - just about 20-30% higher (my adjusted
>>>> estimate) plugin load on the same hardware, same latency: it's really
>>
>>>> 76 Nuendo multiband comps at 64 samples on XP/ASIO, vs 45 on OSX/core
>>
>>>> audio at 64, which is almost 50% more, but I'm assuming there are
>>>> other plugins in that benchmark test to compensate for, and vary part
>>
>>>> of that loading (I'll have to find out for sure when I have more time)
>>
>>>> - same dual quad hardware configs in both cases. I don't know for
>>>> sure if some of this is Nuendo not being optimized for the lower level
>>
>>>> OSX code base (maybe already), or still on Cocoa or whatever - or if
>>>> it is truly a limitation of OSX and core audio. Based on the Logic
>>>> thread, the latter seems to have a bit more weight than it being a
>>>> Nuendo-only performance issue.
>>>>
>>>> Fwiw,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>
>Anyone using a service like this, or looking at one like the upcoming google
health online one?
http://www.healthvault.com/
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080221-concerns-loom- as-google-begins-testing-health-records-system.html
Thoughts? Concerns? Kudos?That's fantastic. I'll shoot one over in the morning. I hope I still
have the controller
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| Re: Merry Christmas to all. [message #93989 is a reply to message #93988] |
Mon, 24 December 2007 21:26 |
john Macy[2]
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r />
>> If you are in the Portland, OR area, that would be a huge plus. I could
>
>> pay a fee up front, and if it works, give you more.
>>
>> here is some info on the drive
>>
>>
>>
>> IBM Ultrastar 36Z15 Drive, model# ic35l036ucpr15-0. This is the 36.7 GB,
>
>> 15,000 RPM unit. (80p ULTRA 3 SCSI)
>>
>> I had to get an ultra 160 controller
>> and sca adapter 80 pin to SCSI 3
>> (with power)
>>
>>
>> Not sure what you would need. I know jack about SCSI. It may just be a
>> jumper setting, in which case you could make some quick cash. I think
>> it's probably more though. If you are local, know about jumpers, and
>> what all that parity and stuff means, I'd be more than happy to give you
>
>> 50 bucks to try it out.
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| Re: Merry Christmas to all. [message #93994 is a reply to message #93936] |
Tue, 25 December 2007 01:12 |
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a>> wrote:
>Yo D,
>
>I have to say as a lurker/reader/bystander that I appreciated your post.
I
>find it interesting and apprecated the findings on the current state of
>native DAW in the real world. Makes me happy I'm not trying to push the
>envelope with Native, to be honest, and glad I still have Paris around for
>tracking and mixing, even sans 96
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| Re: Merry Christmas to all. [message #93998 is a reply to message #93936] |
Tue, 25 December 2007 01:33 |
Erling
Messages: 156
Registered: October 2008
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to "ask".
I also know that my clinic has my records online, because they have a
program called "MyChart.com" or something like that where I can review my
own lab results, imaging, vitals, etc. I haven't been inspired to check it
out, but now that you've brought it up, I think I'll ask next time I see my
doctor about security and who has access to that information.
The advantage, of course, is for practitioners to have your health records
accessible if you are in a situation where there isn't time for you to give
it to them, assuming you're even abl
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| Re: Merry Christmas to all. [message #94001 is a reply to message #93989] |
Tue, 25 December 2007 08:11 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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erns-loom- as-google-begins-testing-health-records-system.html
>
> Thoughts? Concerns? Kudos?
>I use iTunes fairly often, and did so long before I had an iPod. But I've
also used other sites and have even downloaded mp3's from Amazon, which
seems to have a growing collection of them.
And don't forget, "Wayward" by Sarahtonin, my favorite band is available on
iTunes, Rhapsody, and a dozen or so other music downloading sites. :)
Sarah
www.sarahtonin.com
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:47c18ab5@linux...
> Hi all
>
> where do you guys buy your downloadable music?
>
> Thanks
>
> D
>Wow, I miss so much when I go away for a few days. Congratulations on the
new CD. I couldn't hear the vocals, and found it hard to dance to, but
other than that it was good. :) Nice lipping and valving.
S
"Louis Guarino Jr." <kateeba@snet.net> wrote in message
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| Re: Merry Christmas to all. [message #94004 is a reply to message #93994] |
Tue, 25 December 2007 08:32 |
Deej
Messages: 130
Registered: September 2006
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> eternity." "Really, I've made
> up my mind. I want to be in heaven," says the
> senator. "I'm sorry, but
> we have our rules."
>
> And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator
> and he goes down,
> down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds
> himself in the middle
> of a green golf course. In the distance is a
> clubhouse and standing in
> front of it are all his friends and other politicians
> who had worked
> with him.
>
> Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run
> to greet him,
> shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times
> they had while
> getting rich at the expense of the people. They play
> a friendly game of golf
> and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne.
>
> Also present is the devil, who really is a very
>
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| Re: Merry Christmas to all. [message #94021 is a reply to message #93980] |
Tue, 25 December 2007 14:54 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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>>>
>>>Lastly, use what You like, but I still say that the Pro Native route is
>>very
>>>costly and just as expensive as a DSP based DW rig..
>>>"Neil" <OIOI@OUI.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>FWIW, i found interesting too, Dedric.
>>>>
>>>>And Lamont, the Native Upgrade stream is nowhere near as bad as
>>>>you make it out to be... for what I have in terms of
>>>>capabilities in Native-land, it would cost me at LEAST $20k in
>>>>Pro-Tools gear & ware to achieve... and that's not even counting
>>>>plugins, which are unGAWDly expensive for PT due to the TDM
>>>>licensing fees that developers have to pay to Digi. I've
>>>>probably got less than 1,500 bucks invested in plugins, and
>>>>i've got dozens upon dozens of them because there's so much
>>>>freeware VST development going on - i'm sure i'd be looking at
>>>>another ten grand, minimum, if I were to try & assemble a
>>>>comparable TDM plugin arsenal. So there's $30k for PTHD & plugs
>>>>right there. No way have I spent even a quarter of that on every
>>>>Native rig, plugin, and upgrade chase since I've been doing this
>>>>stuff!
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>Yo D,
>>>>>
>>>>>I have to
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