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Fri, 30 June 2006 18:54  |
Ron Inman
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t to dispute with me, start from what I actually said.
Further, I say Ghandi himself would be sinning by letting someone
kill his family. 'course, he did it himself didn't he?
I do believe what I read in the Bible. Including this:
Luke 22-36
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and
if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
In Romans 13, Paul says:
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| Re: Trying to use Chainer and/or Spinaudio wrapper [message #69840 is a reply to message #69836] |
Fri, 30 June 2006 21:38  |
Deej [1]
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all these things be fulfilled." Since then,
>with every major war or natural disaster, there have been those crying
>"repent for the end is near!" on street corners.
There is much debate on Matthew 24. Most Christians believe it
applies to both AD 70 (the Roman conquest of Jerusalem) and
the last days. The evidence for our own time, being unique and
indeed at the end of history, is quite massive in Scripture. I will be
happy to discuss it with you privately if you like.
>I don't fear terrorists
>nearly as much as I fear having someone like George Bush start a global
>thermonuclear war out of some brain-damaged belief that Jesus will come
and
>float him to Heaven.
Then you are deluded. Sorry Sarah. Terrorists are much more likely
to kill you than is the scenario you described to happen. AND, the
most likely scenario for a huge, global nuclear war is with an
appeaser in the White House who would have made so many bad
decisions that there would be no other options than massive,
nuclear war.
>3. What you say is indisputable is in fact easily disputed. The plot
>uncovered and thwarted in England (by the use of standard police work)
>demostrates two things: terrorism is best prevented with good intelligence
>work, and obliterating Iraq (or Iran, or Syria, etc) does nothing to prevent
>such groups from planning their attacks.
This is utterly an assertion on your part since you do not know how
many dead jihadis would have plotted even more attacks given
an appeaser in the White House.
Again, we are not fighting them, we are catching them. You are not
being honest in implying that the war caused these attacks.
You do not believe what
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| Re: Trying to use Chainer and/or Spinaudio wrapper [message #69841 is a reply to message #69840] |
Fri, 30 June 2006 21:49 |
Ron Inman
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the jiahdis themselves say they want to do, and that
makes your position a very dangerous one.
>Every time an innocent Iraqi dies
>in our foolish, ethnocentric quest to "spread democracy" (i.e., make the
>world safe for American business), we risk inspiring angry desperate
>civilians to join the ranks of the terrorists. Put yourself in their
>place - isn't that what Jesus would do?
First your view is based on the mistaken idea that some cultures
are too backward and too stupid to enjoy freedom. This is
embarrassing and likely racist, but since I know you, I suspect it
is merely the unquestioning assumption of cultural relativity.
It's like the old question; What do you do if you see an endangered
animal eating an endangered plant?
What do you do if you see a society doing clitorectomies, or having
rape rooms as a means fo keeping the peace?
Who are you to judge their culture?
Yet we think that people can live a better life than that don't we?
Christians know that there is one culture and it is God's.
No america ain't it.
But we know that some practices are
degenerate, like human sacrifice and the roman gladiators and that
when a society embraces degeneracy, that society is doomed.
So yes, we can say that freedom and democracy is better than
Saddam and his spawn, and despite your socialist hatred of "big
business" we are the good guys in that conflict. If you dispute
that, I challenge you to live under sharia and see if you don't
change you mind.
Matthew 5:44 - "But I say unto you,
>Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate
you,
>and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you."
And our brave soldiers and marines pray daily for even their enemies
that they will have to kill as few as possible and they rejoice mightily
at every one they save.
read this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0788023454/sr=1-1/qid=11555 98944/ref=sr_1_1/102-7219965-6149719?ie=UTF8&s=books
and this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0849918235/sr=1-7/qid=11555 98944/ref=sr_1_7/102-7219965-6149719?ie=UTF8&s=books
You owe these brave men and women your very life and certainly
your right to carry on such a discussion.
>4. Anyone who plans the murder of innocent civilians to further the
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| Re: Trying to use Chainer and/or Spinaudio wrapper [message #69842 is a reply to message #69841] |
Fri, 30 June 2006 22:12 |
Deej [1]
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ir cause
>deserves the tortures of the damned, and this includes terrorists and heads
>of state. Evil people are evil people - it's got nothing to do with "right"
>or "left," as a cursory survey of human history will show. We should fight
>authoritarianism at either end of the spectrum, and right now it has crept
>into our own government at the "right" end. It can't happen here? The
>firmly fixed belief that it can't happen here is exactly what is allowing
it
>to happen here.
I went through the Holocaust museum here in Los Angeles.
Been there? Go sometime. When my group exited the gas
chamber at the end of the tour, our guide, a little old man who
survived the camps asked us to raise our hands if we thought it
it could happen here. Mostof the group of 35 or so raised their
hands. Me and a couple of hard-eyed young men kept our hands
down, and the old man asked us why.
I answered with:
"Because I will take up a rifle and kill anyone who tries to do such
a thing, and I will lay down my life to prevent it here."
(I could see the other guys shaking their heads in agreement)
You know what the old guy said??
He pointed at us and said:
THAT is the ONLY reason it will not happen here!
Now, you go there, and come out of that place onto Pico blvd., and
go down to Factor's Deli for a bite and tell me about American
authoritarianism. You need to re-join reality.
Worst, once again, someone (iran and their cronies) is trying to wipe
out the Jews. The Jews believe that someone will try to exterminate
them in every generation, and how am I to prove them wrong?
The left in this country has become the mirror image of Tim
McVeigh and socialist/quasi-pacifist europe has once again
revealed its seething anti-semitism. Yes, it can happen here,
but we ain't going to go easy, I can tell you that.
>5. I don't have a fifth point . . . I just think 5 is a nicer number than
I saw the figure 5 in gold...
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