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Thu, 15 November 2007 15:32  |
Mike Audet
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over "scraps".Meanwhile the rich just keep getting richer and
> richer.
> And all your types do is look at a brand or group of folks to blame it
> on..
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> It's all about the 'Distribution Of Wealth". $$$$ Nothing more, nothing
> less.
> Those Billionairs love to keep us scabbling and blaming, pointing fingers,
> while they continue to rape us of what little monies we try to save..
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> Unless you are rich, you have no right to "fight/debate a richman's
> fight".
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> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.
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| Re: *******Big Reverb Released******* [message #92747 is a reply to message #92746] |
Thu, 15 November 2007 15:47  |
Mike Audet
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>>what we want to do personally on a smaller scale, but eventually the
>>effect
>>is watered down both financially among other costs, and certainly on a
>>personal level as there is no personal interaction. I think most of us
> are
>>guilty of relying on another organization, church, or government to do the
>>work while we drop a check in the mail or the basket to feel better for
> it,
>>when the person who needs a hand most might be next door. I know I am
>>guilty of that. Just a thought.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dedric
>>
>>On 1/10/08 1:18 AM, in article 4785c6ad$1@linux, "LaMont"
>><jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
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>>>
>>> I would agree withg you that some federal spending on education could
> and
>>> needs to be reworked..
>>>
>>> But, I totaly disagree with you about "Handouts never work ". People,
>>> companys,farmers,this
>>> country ) needs bailouts , and have excpeted handouts, bailouts if you
> will.
>>>
>>> If you are a spiritual man, than you lean to rely on the Lord for things
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| Re: *******Big Reverb Released******* [message #92748 is a reply to message #92747] |
Thu, 15 November 2007 17:05 |
Michael Kraynak
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> that you can't do. Bottom line, everybody form time to time needs a
>>> helphand,
>>> and yes a blessing, gift, handout, bailout..
>>>
>>> Your kind of thinking is a typical white man's point of view. You take
> out
>>> the race. This country is not fair to all. Do we agree on that?
>>> I know of folks (African Americans)who have tried but have been denied
> (even
>>> through qualified) oportunities,jobs, houses, loans
>>>
>>> So, you can traach a man to fish hunt, But, if that man, is told that
> he
>>> can't hunt nor fish on this land or pond, or he is not qualified, then
> what??
>>>
>>> I do'nt buy this pull you self up lingo in this country. Wait, I do
>>> belive
>>> that if you are white.. And, yes, some of us blacks do make in by some
>>> unbelievable
>>> obstacales that would have made most quit..
>>>
>>> Back to education: I would say that our elementary and middle education
> is
>>> fine...but, it's the high schools, and better the students..These kids
> are
>>> out of control. Reguardless of race. The teachers are of at cross-roads
> with
>>> this generation teeangers. This is all behavioral. Hip-Hop has had an
> major
>>> -downside effect on American Teens..
>>>
>>> I don't have an answer to that..BTW, I'm a conservative Democrat(Aka
>>> Blue
>>> Dog-Christain). I give Tithes and offering to help and feed/cloth the
> poor.
>>> Your hero Ron Reagan was on Welfare. Did'nt stay on it, but like many
>>> others,needed
>>> that helpin
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| Re: *******Big Reverb Released******* [message #92749 is a reply to message #92744] |
Thu, 15 November 2007 17:42 |
excelav
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g hand (AKa Hand out)..
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi Lamont - so you agree with me that urban school systems, and many
> public
>>>> schools are not working under "status quo" (e.g. federally funded
>>>> systems).
>>>>
>>>> For reference, my info is from people who have dedicated years to this
>>>> cause, so it isn't idle speculation or personal frustration, and the
>>>> solution isn't even in the ballpark of a government program, policy,
> or
>>>> program. There are simple solutions that could improve the quality of
>>>> education for each child in this country, but due to the complexity and
>>>> sluggish nature of our education system (being federally tied), it will
>>> take
>>>> decades to make a dent, if at all.
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| Re: *******Big Reverb Released******* [message #92759 is a reply to message #92744] |
Fri, 16 November 2007 00:42 |
Tom Bruhl
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Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4785751c$1@linux...
>>>>> Well, thanks, but I already got 'em online ----->
>>>>> http://www.chipndaleonline.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> S
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:4784e5e1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4784d5d7@linux...
>>>>>>> Huh . . . ? Oh . . . uh, yeah . . . ahem . . . er, Hey! Knock it
>
>>>>>>> off! Off topic! Off topic! Sexism! Monitor?! Where's the
>>>>>>> monitor!?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How's that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> S
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WHEW!!! I thought you'd never show up. That works fine. Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IOU a visit from the Chippendale boys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>Let me just state, I totally disagree with you points..All Of them.
That's why we have a divided nation..
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>So are you poor or just looking for sympathy at someone else's expense?
>Sorry to be so blunt, but that's what it sounds like. To paraphrase your
>admonishment,
>if you aren't poor, then you have no right to fight a poor man's fight.
>You are also still
>making "your types" generalizations, and I don't appreciate it. You don't
>know what you
>are talking about and again, no offense, but you are using race as a crutch,
>and I find that offensive.
>
>I personally know people who've seen more hard times and challenges than
you
>could imagine,
>and I know for certain they would be insulted by your approach and attitude
>to what one needs to do personally to
> succeed in this country or any other, regardless of race. I'm not going
to
>state their race because imho, their race isn't important - who they are
and
>what they've accomplished in life is (no, these aren't millionaires - just
>people who've refused
>to use race as an excuse).
>
>1 - we were talking about education, not welfare, health care or feeding
the
>poor. Handouts don't make people want to become more educated, and lack
of
>handouts don't prevent people from going to the public library, doing their
>homework, or listening in class. Granted not all schools have great
>teachers, but all schools have students that don't try. Sorry, but you
>won't get any sympathy by claiming that the "pull yourself up" mentality
is
>wrong and a "white man's" point of view. See my previous paragraph for
the
>reasons why.
>
>2 - you said: "But, I totaly disagree with you about "Handouts never work
>". People, companys,farmers,this
> country needs bailouts , and have excpeted handouts, bailouts if you
>will."
>
>Therein lies the problem - "have expected handouts". Any program that gives
>handouts on a regular basis
>with no effective method of turning that handout into a basis for an
>individual to work on their own just creates a dependancy
>rather than true effective change. Like I said, helping each other is one
>of the best things we can do
>with our time and resources, but creating dependancy on handouts is
>dangerous. We all need help from time to
>time, and as a society I agree - the balance of wealth is dangerously skewed
>in many areas: artist, entertainers, and sports stars
>are at the top of my list, yet that's one area most people are happy to
>spend money on without a second thought of that imbalance, regardless of
>their economic capabilities. No need to talk about corporate greed - we're
>on the same
>page there, but I think your view that "Those Billionairs love to keep us
>scabbling and blaming, pointing fingers,
> while they continue to rape us of what little monies we try to save.."
is
>about is victim minded as I've heard.
>Really Lamont, if you feel that oppressed by corporate America, just buy
>Japanese and Chinese. ;-) It's easier
>than buying American. ;-)) Hope you see the sad humor in that given you
are
>from the Detroit area - the home
>of companies that have for years resisted alternative fuels, more efficient
>and enduring engines, supporting the one
>industry that has more wealth than our country, and holds the whole world
by
>the cohones - oil.
>
>Oh.... 3 - you actually don't know what my race is, so aren't you just
>reading my post, point of view,
>and judging my race based on your own perception of stereotypes? How much
>more racist could one possibly
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| Re: *******Big Reverb Released******* [message #92765 is a reply to message #92759] |
Fri, 16 November 2007 04:14 |
mike audet[1]
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The teachers are of at cross-roads
>> with
>>>> this generation teeangers. This is all behavioral. Hip-Hop has had an
>> major
>>>> -downside effect on American Teens..
>>>>
>>>> I don't have an answer to that..BTW, I'm a conservative Democrat(Aka
>>>> Blue
>>>> Dog-Christain). I give Tithes and offering to help and feed/cloth the
>> poor.
>>>> Your hero Ron Reagan was on Welfare. Did'nt stay on it, but like many
>>>> others,needed
>>>> that helping hand (AKa Hand out)..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Lamont - so you agree with me that urban school systems, and many
>> public
>>>>> schools are not working under "status quo" (e.g. federally funded
>>>>> systems).
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, my info is from people who have dedicated years to this
>>>>> cause, so it isn't idle speculation or personal frustration, and the
>>>>> solution isn't even in the ballpark of a government program, policy,
>> or
>>>>> program. There are simple solutions that could improve the quality
of
>>>>> education for each child in this country, but due to the complexity
and
>>>>> sluggish nature of our education system (being federally tied), it
will
>>>> take
>>>>> decades to make a dent, if at all. I've seen the program work - it's
>>>>> phenomenal and could do what no amount of federal funding could, and
>> for
>>>>> pennies per child, if not free. That's where personal/private
>>>>> innovation
>>>> is
>>>>> drastically more effective than waiting for a government to solve a
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> For additional reference, my son goes to an alternative public school
>> (IB
>>>>> program) and it is excellent. Granted, at the elementary level,
>>>>> problems
>>>>> aren't as bad as higher grades (though there are exceptions). I
>>>>> attended
>>>>> schools in all parts of our home town (as a product of bussing)
>>>>> suburban
>>>> and
>>>>> urban - some were good, some were just okay (5 different ones due to
>> our
>>>> 2
>>>>> year system, from first to 12th grade). That was a few years ago,
and
>>>>> people have changed; society has changed. Problems are more widespread
>>>> at
>>>>> earlier ages. Is that the government's fault for not throwing more
>>>>> money
>>>> at
>>>>> the problem? No, it's a failure at the family and individual level,
>> which
>>>>> transfers to every job and responsibility taken by any individual in
>> a given
>>>>> community or society. No one from federal or local governments, or
>>>>> local
>>>>> school systems is encouraging young teenagers to become pregnant, shoot
>>>> one
>>>>> another, or take drugs. That happens as a product of society and
>>>>> becomes
>>>> a
>>>>> part of every aspect of that society. We can make better opportunities
>>>> and
>>>>> better environments with enough money, but it only lasts so long.
>>>>> Schools
>>>>> that are now problematic, were probably great 20 years ago. Might
be
>>>>> interesting to check the test scores and pass/fail rates for the
>>>>> history
>>>> of
>>>>> the school in your neighborhood.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you check what Ron Paul and the Republican Liberty Caucus proposes,
>> it's
>>>>> abolishing the Federal Department of Education - leaving schools to
be
>>>>> managed at the state and local levels, which the pretty much already
>> are.
>>>>> I'm not making a statement either way - just clarifying the facts and
>> the
>>>>> realities of what causes problems in society.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are fast becoming a bleeding heart, woe-is-me country of victims
>>>>> rather
>>>>> than innovators and problem solvers. Handouts never work - we've all
>> heard
>>>>> the Chinese proverb - "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
>> Teach
>>>>> a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"... it is true. But
if
>> he
>>>>> doesn't want to learn to fish and just wants you to give him one, he'll
>>>> be
>>>>> hungry the next day. If you don't give him one then, he'll start
>>>>> considering stealing.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I personally would discourage is a victim mentality. We are only
>> what
>>>>> we are individually out of choice, unless you believe we are only what
>> our
>>>>> environment allows, and nothing more. Circumstances aren't always
>>>>> favorable, or even tolerable, but blaming the government carte blanche
>> for
>>>>> the ils of society is in fact part of the problem, if not a majority
>> cause.
>>>>>
>>>>> łNo great man ever complains of want of opportunity.˛
>>>>> Ralph Waldo Emerson
>>>>>
>>>>> In support of this, 2/3 of today's billionaires were dirt poor when
>>>>> they
>>>>> started out... it takes more the open doors to become successful -
it
>> takes
>>>>> determination. That's what isn't being taught i
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Fri, 16 November 2007 07:00 |
chuck duffy
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t;>>> major
>>>>>> funding to our public universities, while letting Predatory Student
>>>>>> loan(sharks)
>>>>>> have their way and in-debt students for life..(I digress) :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's really broke is America. Our Gov has has been (for the last
20
>>>> years)
>>>>>> made a concerted effort to dumb us all down andslow down technology
>> in
>>>> the
>>>>>> name of NAtional Security. We so behind in so many areas it's
>>>>>> saddening
>>>> to
>>>>>> think about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> I only read part of the originally posted transcript and don't know
>> RP's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> views on race personally (and
>>>>>>> neither does anyone else apparently) so he may or may not have views
>>>> we
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> would all object to,
>>>>>>> but just have to interject that just saying someone's "good ole boy
>>>>>>> politics" makes them racist
>>>>>>> is in itself stereotyping and just as prejudiced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His reasoning for getting rid of the Department of Education may
well
>>>> be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> because it is failing
>>>>>>> to do it's job (I don't know if getting rid of it is the solution,
>> but
>>>>>>> keeping it "status quo" is not, for certain).
>>>>>>> Charter schools, private and alternative approach schools are
>>>>>>> significantly
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> successful currently (I have inside info to know this).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lamont, I worked with an entrepreneur (and his partner company)
>>>>>>> trying
>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> change the education system from the inside out,
>>>>>>> starting with inner city schools. Did you know that urban schools
>> across
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the US have an average
>>>>>>> of 80% student population falling below a basic proficiency level?
>> That's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> basic reading and math - 80%
>>>>>>> are below a very basic level - not a higher than realistic level,
but
>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lower than realistic level.
>>>>>>> I don't recall all of the stats, but it blew me away just how bad
the
>>>>>>> education system is. Atlanta is in terrible shape.
>>>>>>> Others are doing poorly as well. These are their stats from schools
>>>>>>> systems, not political parties.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who's failure is that? Politicians in Washington? Not unless
>>>>>>> teachers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> community leaders and parents
>>>>>>> look to Washington for instruction when they get up each morning.
>> No,
>>>> it's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a public problem that
>>>>>>> "we the people" are ignoring, and it's hard to not put a bit of
>>>>>>> responsibility on the students for just
>>>>>>> not caring enough to try harder. All the money in the world can't
>> make
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> someone want to learn. To
>>>>>>> the support of students who haven't had a chance, my friend's program
>>>> aims
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to correct learning problems
>>>>>>> that are holding a lot of kids back - and it works - but he estimates
>>>> 20
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> years to work through the
>>>>>>> red tape and establishment that is the current public school system.
>>>> Doing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> away with it just might
>>>>>>> save a few hundred thousand kids. They are already working with
over
>>>> 80,000
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in a private school system
>>>>>>> (can't get access to public schools....).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:47855784$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Bill, when Russert pressed RP on his past voting, writen views
>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>> issues, they were in line with the good O'l boy politics. When
>>>>>>>> questioned
>>>>>>>> about those thngs he tried to deny saying them and voting or even
>>>>>>>> supporting
>>>>>>>> those controversial views.
>>>>>>&g
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| Re: *******Big Reverb Released******* [message #92771 is a reply to message #92770] |
Fri, 16 November 2007 07:48 |
Tom Bruhl
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t;>
>>>>>>>> One comment was: To do away with the Department of Education: Code
>> word
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for:
>>>>>>>> getting rid of public (Inner city) education..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While, I agree with his stance on the current administration and
the
>>>>>>>> so-called
>>>>>>>> war, I disagree with his kind of politics in general, which is old
>> Texas
>>>>>>>> style politics..
>>>>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Lamont,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What are the code words? What did he actually say? I want to know
>> those
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> words.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where did he say he wants to take the US back to 1940 on race
>>>>>>>>> relations?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I did not catch that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What I have heard him say is that he does not believe in addressing
>>>>>>>>> problems of groups, but that it should be of individuals. I agree
>> with
>>>>>>>>> that. Any effort to lump people together as group, whether it be
>> racial,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> religious, political or sexual generates generalities that may
or
>> may
>>>>>>>>> not apply. Only specific truths and viewpoints lead to solutions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Being a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the
>> code
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>> of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When
>>>>>>>>>> interviews
>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> Russert,
>>>>>>>>>> he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on
>> about
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>> past voting record and writings, he got angry and then "cracked"..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He's a Texan Reacist. Period. Yeah, he's saying the right things
>> about
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Iraq situation, but on the domestic front, this dude whats to
take
>>>>>>>>>> America
>>>>>>>>>> back into the 1940-50s on race relations. That's not good.
>>>>>>>>>> Therefore,
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>> is a Kook..A hack, a Third rate Racist Texas Politicition..
>>>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a
>>>>>>>>>>> 7d
>>>>>>>>>>> a84ca
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is not good...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>I'll bet that if we got you two (LaMont and Dedric) in a room together,
you would quickly find some common ground. Sometimes a text forum isn't
the best form of communication...
Hey LaMont, on the off chance you could come on out to Colorado this
Friday, we're having a little PARIS get-together that Deej inspired (but
Deej can't come after all - we'll miss you Deej!).
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
LaM0nt wrote:
> Let me just state, I totally disagree with you points..All Of them.
>
> That's why we have a divided nation..
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> So are you poor or just looking for sympathy at someone else's expense?
>> Sorry to be so blunt, but that's what it sounds like. To paraphrase your
>
>> admonishment,
>> if you aren't poor, then you have no right to fight a poor man's fight.
>
>> You are also still
>> making "your types" generalizations, and I don't appreciate it. You don't
>
>> know what you
>> are talking about and again, no offense, but you are using race as a crutch,
>
>> and I find that offensive.
>>
>> I personally know people who've seen more hard times and challenges than
> you
>> could imagine,
>> and I know for certain they would be insulted by your approach and attitude
>
>> to what one needs to do personally to
>> succeed in this country or any other, regardless of race. I'm not going
> to
>> state their race because imho, their race isn't important - who they are
> and
>> what they've accomplished in life is (no, these aren't millionaires - just
>
>> people who've refused
>> to use race as an excuse).
>>
>> 1 - we were talking about education, not welfare, health care or feeding
> the
>> poor. Handouts don't make people want to become more educated, and lack
> of
>> handouts don't prevent people from going to the public library, doing their
>
>> homework, or listening in class. Granted not all schools have great
>> teachers, but all schools have students that don't try. Sorry, but you
>
>> won't get any sympathy by claiming that the "pull yourself up" mentality
> is
>> wrong and a "white man's" point of view. See my previous paragraph for
> the
>> reasons why.
>>
>> 2 - you said: "But, I totaly disagree with you about "Handouts never work
>
>> ". People, companys,farmers,this
>> country needs bailouts , and have excpeted handouts, bailouts if you
>
>> will."
>>
>> Therein lies the problem - "have expected handouts". Any program that gives
>
>> handouts on a regular basis
>> with no effective method of turning that handout into a basis for an
>> individual to work on their own just creates a dependancy
>> rather than true effective change. Like I said, helping each other is one
>
>> of the best things we can do
>> with our time and resources, but creating dependancy on handouts is
>> dangerous. We all need help from time to
>> time, and as a society I agree - the balance of wealth is dangerously skewed
>
>> in many areas: artist, entertainers, and sports stars
>> are at the top of my list, yet that's one area most people are happy to
>
>> spend money on without a second thought of that imbalance, regardless of
>
>> their economic capabilities. No need to talk about corporate greed - we're
>
>> on the same
>> page there, but I think your view that "Those Billionairs love to keep us
>
>> scabbling and blaming, pointing fingers,
>> while they continue to rape us of what little monies we try to save.."
> is
>> about is victim minded as I've heard.
>> Really Lamont, if you feel that oppressed by corporate America, just buy
>
>> Japanese and Chinese. ;-) It's easier
>> than buying American. ;-)) Hope you see the sad humor in that given you
> are
>>from the Detroit area - the home
>> of companies that have for years resisted alternative fuels, more efficient
>
>> and enduring engines, supporting the one
>> industry that has more wealth than our country, and holds the whole world
> by
>> the cohones - oil.
>>
>> Oh.... 3 - you actually don't know what my race is, so aren't you just
>> reading my post, point of view,
>> and judging my race based on your own perception of stereotypes? How much
>
>> more racist could one possibly be?
>> Imho the place to stop racism is by individually ceasing to judge people's
>
>> potential based on skin color, and judging their
>> skin color based on their point of view. The rest will follow. Don't judge
>
>> just because you think it makes your argument
>> stronger. Quite the opposite.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:478633ad@linux...
>>> Good Morning,
>>>
>>> I apologize if my statements come off as racist, they are not..Just a
> fact
>>> from a Black man in America. Our view points are differnt because our
>
>>> cultural
>>> upbringing.
>>>
>>> I disagree with you about giving and so-called gov freebies. First, it's
>>> not the Govs money. It's our. So, we the people have a right to choose
> how
>>> to spend it. Helping people in need is Trait from God. He (God) does not
>>> turn his back on us when we ar e in need, so why are to turn a blind eye
>>> to someone who is?
>>>
>>> Not to mention, Corp bailouts all in name ad cause of "good for the
>>> economy"..Oh
>>> Yeah, what about all those who have been and are facing foreclosure..
>
>>> Should
>>> we not help them?
>>>
>>> You are speweing right-wing libritarian nonsense that keeps us poor folks
>>> arguing over "scraps".Meanwhile the rich just keep getting richer and
>
>>> richer.
>>> And all your types do is look at a brand or group of folks to blame it
>
>>> on..
>>>
>>> It's all about the 'Distribution Of Wealth". $$$$ Nothing more, nothing
>
>>> less.
>>> Those Billionairs love to keep us scabbling and blaming, pointing fingers,
>>> while they continue to rape us of what little monies we try to save..
>>>
>>> Unless you are rich, you have no right to "fight/debate a richman's
>>> fight".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Lamont, don't take offense to this, but your post sounds as racist and
>>>> prejudiced as I've heard, and certainly in the context that it is directed
>>>> at me. I'm not going to get into this further as it's going nowhere and
>>> I
>>>> don't have any interest in sharing my personal life experiences online
>
>>>> (that
>>>> would have to be over coffee in person - perhaps we'll have a chance
>>>> someday), but trust me when I say, when referring to me as "typical white
>>>> man" or "your hero Ron Reagan" you have no idea what you are talking
>>>> about.
>>>> None. You are judging me without knowing me or any facts whatsoever.
>>>> That's
>>>> shortsighted at best, racist at worst - not an accusation, just an
>>>> observation. Again, no personal offense intended at all - just hoping
> you
>>>> can see the reality of how your words and point of view come across.
> It's
>>>> hard to gain sympathy for a problem you may face if you treat others the
>>>> same way.
>>>>
>>>> To end on a less personal note, there is a huge difference between helping
>>>> the poor and handing out token freebies as a government program in hopes
>>> of
>>>> changing a society. Monumental difference.
>>>>
>>>> In truth it's our society that should be helping one another at the
>>>> community, neighborhood and personal level. We develop programs to expand
>>>> what we want to do personally on a smaller scale, but eventually the
>>>> effect
>>>> is watered down both financially among other costs, and certainly on a
>>>> personal level as there is no personal interaction. I think most of us
>>> are
>>>> guilty of relying on another organization, church, or government to do
> the
>>>> work while we drop a check in the mail or the basket to feel better for
>>> it,
>>>> when the person who needs a hand most might be next door. I know I am
>>>> guilty of that. Just a thought.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 1/10/08 1:18 AM, in article 4785c6ad$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would agree withg you that some federal spending on education could
>>> and
>>>>> needs to be reworked..
>>>>>
>>>>> But, I totaly disagree with you about "Handouts never work ". People,
>>>>> companys,farmers,this
>>>>> country ) needs bailouts , and have excpeted handouts, bailouts if you
>>> will.
>>>>> If you are a spiritual man, than you lean to rely on the Lord for things
>>>>> that you can't do. Bottom line, everybody form time to time needs a
>
>>>>> helphand,
>>>>> and yes a blessing, gift, handout, bailout..
>>>>>
>>>>> Your kind of thinking is a typical white man's point of view. You take
>>> out
>>>>> the race. This country is not fair to all. Do we agree on that?
>>>>> I know of folks (African Americans)who have tried but have been denied
>>> (even
>>>>> through qualified) oportunities,jobs, houses, loans
>>>>>
>>>>> So, you can traach a man to fish hunt, But, if that man, is told that
>>> he
>>>>> can't hunt nor fish on this land or pond, or he is not qualified, then
>>> what??
>>>>> I do'nt buy this pull you self up lingo in this country. Wait, I do
>
>>>>> belive
>>>>> that if you are white.. And, yes, some of us blacks do make in by some
>>>>> unbelievable
>>>>> obstacales that would have made most quit..
>>>>>
>>>>> Back to education: I would say that our elementary and middle education
>>> is
>>>>> fine...but, it's the high schools, and better the students..These kids
>>> are
>>>>> out of control. Reguardless of race. The teachers are of at cross-roads
>>> with
>>>>> this generation teeangers. This is all behavioral. Hip-Hop has had an
>>> major
>>>>> -downside effect on American Teens..
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have an answer to that..BTW, I'm a conservative Democrat(Aka
>
>>>>> Blue
>>>>> Dog-Christain). I give Tithes and offering to help and feed/cloth the
>>> poor.
>>>>> Your hero Ron Reagan was on Welfare. Did'nt stay on it, but like many
>>>>> others,needed
>>>>> that helping hand (AKa Hand out)..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Lamont - so you agree with me that urban school systems, and many
>>> public
>>>>>> schools are not working under "status quo" (e.g. federally funded
>>>>>> systems).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For reference, my info is from people who have dedicated years to this
>>>>>> cause, so it isn't idle speculation or personal frustration, and the
>>>>>> solution isn't even in the ballpark of a government program, policy,
>>> or
>>>>>> program. There are simple solutions that could improve the quality
> of
>>>>>> education for each child in this country, but due to the complexity
> and
>>>>>> sluggish nature of our education system (being federally tied), it
> will
>>>>> take
>>>>>> decades to make a dent, if at all. I've seen the program work - it's
>>>>>> phenomenal and could do what no amount of federal funding could, and
>>> for
>>>>>> pennies per child, if not free. That's where personal/private
>>>>>> innovation
>>>>> is
>>>>>> drastically more effective than waiting for a government to solve a
>
>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For additional reference, my son goes to an alternative public school
>>> (IB
>>>>>> program) and it is excellent. Granted, at the elementary level,
>>>>>> problems
>>>>>> aren't as bad as higher grades (though there are exceptions). I
>>>>>> attended
>>>>>> schools in all parts of our home town (as a product of bussing)
>>>>>> suburban
>>>>> and
>>>>>> urban - some were good, some were just okay (5 different ones due to
>>> our
>>>>> 2
>>>>>> year system, from first to 12th g
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Sat, 17 November 2007 05:23 |
Mike Audet
Messages: 294
Registered: December 2008
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;>>>>>> that. Any effort to lump people together as group, whether it be
>>>> racial,
>>>>>>>>>>> religious, political or sexual generates generalities that may
>> or
>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>> not apply. Only specific truths and viewpoints lead to
>>>>>>>>>>> solutions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Being a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the
>>>> code
>>>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When
>>>>>>>>>>>> interviews
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> Russert,
>>>>>>>>>>>> he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on
>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>> past voting record and writings, he got angry and then
>>>>>>>>>>>> "cracked"..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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