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Kim
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| Re: My Error 7/7 dilemma continued... [message #94467 is a reply to message #94392] |
Mon, 07 January 2008 21:21  |
Deej
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y liked it. What are the
credits on this?
Mike R wrote:
> Sorry about the deadlink earlier.
> Any feedback at all is welcome.
> MRVery cool jazzy electronica / Dido vibe. All that follows is simply mix
opinion, take it as such only.
3:50-3:54 out the piano seems too loud. Transition from :35- :40 got huge
then the bottom just dropped out of the drums. That made the bass stand out
too much IMO, and changing the drums to be a little more large/present would
probably be the way to go. Overall I could hear everything but it seemed a
little too smooth EQ wise as a whole.
AA
"Mike R" <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:47dd47c4$1@linux...
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> Sheesh, forgot the link:
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=815466
>
> "Mike R" <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Sorry about the deadlink earlier.
>>Any feedback at all is welcome.
>>MR
>It took me a minute, but... NICE!
Mr. Simplicity wrote:
> I'm sorry.....
>
> ;oD
>
>
>I don't like to see privacy rights violated, but on the other hand I
don't like theft either. They should have gotten a judge to approve a
"wiretap" of her computer.
James McCloskey wrote:
> I hope the RIAA loses this one.
>
> http://apnews.excite.com/article/20080315/D8VDKJ7O0.htmlAaron,
You can stack up to three of them. That's 24 I/O (and unfortunately) 24
preamps that I would have to pay for that I don't really need.
;o(
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:47dd3589$1@linux...
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> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
> news:C40220B7.131DC%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>I only watched part due to time constraints so I didn't catch that (i.e. I
>> could tell early on there was nothing new here).
>>
>> Yes of course latency is *effectively* "zero" for the builtin dsp (in and
>> out of the onboard mixer), but not in and out of the native system.
>> Nothing
>> different from what Totalmix, Cuemix, Soundscape and TDM do, and while it
>> may be a few nanoseconds faster than others, it's still not *really*
>> 0.00000ns.
>
> That's not what I took away from what he was saying. Check out the video
> again when you get time dude, I think you may have missed the whole reason
> why I'd choose this system if I dumped Paris. What I didn't hear though
> was if I could stack these units, but I'm guessing not because of how fast
> they simply would have to be to be no latency units.
>
>>
>> Of course we all know absolute zero is impossible without time travel ;-)
>> There is always at least a few nanoseconds for gate setup/hold times in
>> the
>> converters, and in the dsp chips, etc, so regardless of "zero" or "near
>> zero" latency claims, they are all lower than most people care about
>> since
>> it's hardware based routing, rather than latent software routing (which
>> actually could be nearly as fast if the OS were optimized for it - i.e.
>> systems like Radar, etc).
>
> very true, and what I wanted to hear about. Actual convertor to convertor
> latency cannot possibly be zero/none. Even Paris is hitting 1.5 mS end to
> end. And I have no problems living with that.
>
>>
>> Marketing.... it's all marketing.... in reality, every single DAW on the
>> planet adheres to the same physical limitations - they just use different
>> packaging and emphasis of hardware vs. software. Good try Steiny/Yamaha.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 3/16/08 1:49 AM, in article 47dcc2fd$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dedric, they are stating 'No' Latency as in Nada..zilch..Nothing.. hey
>>> mentioned
>>> this at least 5 times. They even critisize other companies claim of
>>> "near
>>> zero " latency.
>>>
>>> Look at the video again.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> On 3/15/08 10:50 PM, in article 47dcaa29@linux, "Aaron Allen"
>>>> <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>> semi-pro/pro work because of the latency they can't seem to lick.
>>>>> Steiny
>>>>> apparantly has beat that now with the Yammy interface.
>>>>>
>>>> How so? Was there mention of lower latencies I didn't see?
>>>>
>>>> It's a firewire interface just like the Fireface, Firepod, etc, and
>>>> firewire
>>>> is inherently limited due to the extra buffering overhead. I can't see
>>> the
>>>> new Steinberg interface running at any lower latency than the Fireface,
>>> but
>>>> if they've beat that limit, kudos to Yamaha.
>>>>
>>>> So far, imho RME seems to lead the low latency race overall with ASIO
>>>> drivers. Imho, until operating systems drop the consumer bloat war and
>>> get
>>>> down to really running lean and mean with true kernel level audio
>>>> drivers
>>>> (not the facade of core audio), we may never see lower than 32 samples,
>>>> unless Intel multiplies the number of cores and general buss/memory
>>>> processing exponentially to outpace the growing OS demands.
>>>>
>>>> Still have to wonder what got us to the point that an OS had to do
>>>> anything
>>>> more than boot and access the hardware.... but we've had that
>>>> discussion
>>> a
>>>> few times already. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>You're a good guy Mike. You must have had your coffee by now. I know where
you're coming from, your heart. But you can still be a good person and
expect users of your creation to pay for your toil and dedication, unless
you don't need the money :-) We all appreciate your efforts and frankly I'm
impressed that skunkworks and you are still busy writing code for the
platform. I just wish Edmond would wake up and start writing a new version
of Paris. That would really help us out. But Paris still rocks.
Rich
"Mike Audet" <mike@..> wrote in message news:47
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| Re: My Error 7/7 dilemma continued... [message #94470 is a reply to message #94467] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 02:23 |
Kim
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nd
> while tracking, and also to add texture by varying the guitar sounds.
It's
> also got a really nice clean sound now. It is very useful to me.
>
> All the best,
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
> >Mike, I haven't downloaded any of these newer plug-ins. But I believe you
> >should make it a requirement to pay something for downloading them. Heck
> why
> >not even set a minimum price so that you are rewarded properly for all of
> >your efforts. I seem to remember paying around $50 smackaroos for NoLimit
> >and it was well worth it. It's just human nature to want to get something
> >for nothing, especially if you set it up that way, but I'll tell you
> >brother, nothing is free, except maybe air.
> >
> >Rich
> >
> >"Mike Audet" <mike@..> wrote in message news:47dc2fb5$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I want to thank everyone who has supported my efforts with the PARIS
> >plugins.
> >> 20 People have donated over 10 plugins. My plan is to do at least 3
> more
> >> before turning my attention to the driver.
> >>
> >> I also hope top start releasing Mac plugins as soon as possible. With
> any
> >> luck, that will be within a month.
> >>
> >> I really hope these have meant something to people. I've had a great
> time
> >> working on them, and they really are a dream come true for me - both
> >having
> >> them and making them.
> >>
> >> The Amp was the hardest one yet. took probably around 75 hours to
finish,
> >> and it built on countless hours learning about the plugins before.
It's
> >> still got me wondering why a MOV command from main memory into a
register
> >> done by the logic unit is 4 times as loud (2 bits offset) as compared
> to
> >> the same MOV command by the Math unit. That lead to a mean bug that
took
> >> forever to track down.
> >>
> >> Anyway, it just doesn't feel right spending that kind of time and
watching
> >> dozens and dozens of copies get downloaded when only 6 people cared
enough
> >> to pay anything for it. And of those 6, one person doesn't own PARIS
> >anymore,
> >> and another is waiting for a Mac version. So, of all the people who
> >downloaded
> >> and hopefully used the code, only 4 people gave anything for it.
> >>
> >> Anyway, the download links are gone. You can still pay anything you
want
> >> - there are no set prices. But, access to the code will require
sending
> >> "something." If this upsets anyone, I apologize. I probably set
myself
> >> up for this. I can be a bit naive.
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>Awesome, very nice space created in the mix. Nice song, arrangement and
feel. The drums seem to fade in and out, I like the effect. Overall it's
full of emotion, feeling, lightness and air, but I'm not sure if I would
have used so much reverb, but that's personal. I don't think I could have
created this type of a mix myself. I'd like to hang out in your studio and
get some pointers :-)
Rich
"Mike R" <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:47dd40b1$1@linux...
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> Sorry about the deadlink earlier.
> Any feedback at all is welcome.
> MRYeah, I was a little surprised no one asked the question about how
exactly they achieved no latency at the end when they asked for
questions. How do they do that I wonder? He specifically said all the
Cubase channels stuff would be no latency.
If they have that, then this has truly lived up to what I hoped for from
the merger. I will say this: Yamaha is overall the finest and most
comprehensive large music manufacturer and their products always sound
good. Since i have used Cubase from the early Atari version in '88 or
'89, I am a pretty big fan of Steiny too.
BTW he did say you could cascade 3 units, and he said they are USB, not
firewire.
Aaron Allen wrote:
> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
> news:C40220B7.131DC%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> I only watched part due to time constraints so I didn't catch that (i.e. I
>> could tell early on there was nothing new here).
>>
>> Yes of course latency is *effectively* "zero" for the builtin dsp (in and
>> out of the onboard mixer), but not in and out of the native system.
>> Nothing
>> different from what Totalmix, Cuemix, Soundscape and TDM do, and while it
>> may be a few nanoseconds faster than others, it's still not *really*
>> 0.00000ns.
>
> That's not what I took away from what he was saying. Check out the video
> again when you get time dude, I think you may have missed the whole reason
> why I'd choose this system if I dumped Paris. What I didn't hear though was
> if I could stack these units, but I'm guessing not because of how fast they
> simply would have to be to be no latency units.
>
>> Of course we all know absolute zero is impossible without time travel ;-)
>> There is always at least a few nanoseconds for gate setup/hold times in
>> the
>> converters, and in the dsp chips, etc, so regardless of "zero" or "near
>> zero" latency claims, they are all lower than most people care about since
>> it's hardware based routing, rather than latent software routing (which
>> actually could be nearly as fast if the OS were optimized for it - i.e.
>> systems like Radar, etc).
>
> very true, and what I wanted to hear about. Actual convertor to convertor
> latency cannot possibly be zero/none. Even Paris is hitting 1.5 mS end to
> end. And I have no problems living with that.
>
>> Marketing.... it's all marketing.... in reality, every single DAW on the
>> planet adheres to the same physical limitations - they just use different
>> packaging and emphasis of hardware vs. software. Good try Steiny/Yamaha.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 3/16/08 1:49 AM, in article 47dcc2fd$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dedric, they are stating 'No' Latency as in Nada..zilch..Nothing.. hey
>>> mentioned
>>> this at least 5 times. They even critisize other companies claim of "near
>>> zero " latency.
>>>
>>> Look at the video again.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> On 3/15/08 10:50 PM, in article 47dcaa29@linux, "Aaron Allen"
>>>> <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>> semi-pro/pro work because of the latency they can't seem to lick.
>>>>> Steiny
>>>>> apparantly has beat that now with the Yammy interface.
>>>>>
>>>> How so? Was there mention of lower latencies I didn't see?
>>>>
>>>> It's a firewire interface just like the Fireface, Firepod, etc, and
>>>> firewire
>>>> is inherently limited due to the extra buffering overhead. I can't see
>>> the
>>>> new Steinberg interface running at any lower latency than the Fireface,
>>> but
>>>> if they've beat that limit, kudos to Yamaha.
>>>>
>>>> So far, imh
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| Re: My Error 7/7 dilemma continued... [message #94516 is a reply to message #94513] |
Wed, 09 January 2008 06:05 |
Mike Audet
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>> be best? Any info would be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Luiz
>
>Hi Rich,
Thanks for your kind words! This is a really new experience for me. I've
used the simalog plugins for years, and I never thanked the guy who wrote
those. I sent him an email this morning.
For me, I toil over them forever, and then get really excited to get them
out into the world, and it's just such a letdown when after weeks of work,
you get it out and there are zillion posts about other systems, politics,
whatever, and a new, real-time PARIS amp plugin gets almost no comment or
response. It feels like I made a huge dinner, lots of people came and ate,
but almost no one thanked the cook.
Anyway, I'll just have to grow some thicker skin, I think.
Cheers,
Mike
"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>You're a good guy Mike. You must have had your coffee by now. I know where
>you're coming from, your heart. But you can still be a good person and
>expect us
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| Re: My Error 7/7 dilemma continued... [message #94525 is a reply to message #94516] |
Wed, 09 January 2008 12:59 |
Kim
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Harrington wrote:
> Watch the whole 3 videos..
> They say not Zero latency, but No latency .. A non issue as far as they are
> concerned.
> Who knows???
>
> Martin H
>
>
> On 16/03/08 4:24 PM, in article C4020B2E.131D0%dterry@keyofd.net, "Dedric
> Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>
>> On 3/15/08 10:50 PM, in article 47dcaa29@linux, "Aaron Allen"
>> <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>> semi-pro/pro work because of the latency they can't seem to lick. Steiny
>>> apparantly has beat that now with the Yammy interface.
>>>
>> How so? Was there mention of lower latencies I didn't see?
>>
>> It's a firewire interface just like the Fireface, Firepod, etc, and firewire
>> is inherently limited due to the extra buffering overhead. I can't see the
>> new Steinberg interface running at any lower latency than the Fireface, but
>> if they've beat that limit, kudos to Yamaha.
>>
>> So far, imho RME seems to lead the low latency race overall with ASIO
>> drivers. Imho, until operating systems drop the consumer bloat war and get
>> down to really running lean and mean with true kernel level audio drivers
>> (not the facade of core audio), we may never see lower than 32 samples,
>> unless Intel multiplies the number of cores and general buss/memory
>> processing exponentially to outpace the growing OS demands.
>>
>> Still have to wonder what got us to the point that an OS had to do anything
>> more than boot and access the hardware.... but we've had that discussion a
>> few times already. ;-)
>>
>> Dedric
>>
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Super nice. He even has those Eddie Van Halen tape stripes.
When I was growing up there was a wonderful Calypso band in Bermuda
called the Talbot Brothers. Roy Talbot's "dog house" bass was ma
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| Re: My Error 7/7 dilemma continued... [message #94526 is a reply to message #94513] |
Wed, 09 January 2008 13:03 |
Kim
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de from
a meat-packing crate and a thick broom handle, with a single
fishing-line string. It bears the signatures of Babe Ruth, Bing Crosby,
Tommy Dorsey, William Holden, Eddie Duchin, and many other celebrities.
He'd just walk up and down the one string.
TCB wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I was walking from the Asok skytrain station to the subway yesterday and
> heard some really interesting music. It was two guys from Issan (one of the
> poorer areas of a generally very poor country) playing music. One was on
> some makeshift drums (still, he had a cowbell!) and this is the other guy.
> Check out the guitar-like instrument, which is b
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