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| Re: Does this seem right? [message #73883 is a reply to message #73882] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 21:15   |
animix
Messages: 356
Registered: September 2006
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ssing from a lot of the half-
>>rack half-asses out there... you can do a full rock/pop/country
>>band with 16 in's - not a big huge major-label-type session
>>with top & bottom snare mics; front, back & outfront kick mics,
>>plus ambient room mics & a PZM taped to the wall or the
>>drummer's T-Shirt, plus five channels of bass & 19 channels of
>>guitar amp mics, but then the people who are doing those are
>>MOSTLY (not all, but) MOSTLY on PT systems anyway, or if
>>something like what I'm discussing were available, they could
>>just buy TWO of these units. My point is, if something like
>>this were available, with ONE unit, and no fucking around
>>trying to lightpipe & wordclock all kinds of digicrap together,
>>you could do basic tracks that looked like:
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>>1.) Kick
>>2.) Snare Top
>>3.) Snare Bottom
>>4.) HiHat
>>5.) OH-Right
>>6.) OH-Left
>>7.) Drum Room/Ambient Right
>>8.) Drum Room/Ambient Left
>>9.) Bass D.
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| Re: Does this seem right? [message #73884 is a reply to message #73883] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 21:43 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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I.
>>10.) Bass mic'ed
>>11.) Guitar 1a
>>12.) Guitar 1b
>>13.) Guitar 2a (or Piano Lo/Keys Right)
>>14.) Guitar 2b (or Piano Hi/Keys Left)
>>15.) Scratch Vox
>>16.) Cowbell
>>
>>Want to spot-mic your toms, too? OK, maybe only use 1 guitar
>>for the basic trax & drop the cowbell if you need to & you
>>can't stereo submix your toms into to two channels, but you
>>get the idea, right? With 16 pure analog i/o you don't have to
>>lightpipe or SPDIF anything in, you can use all your "BOOTEEK"
>>mic pres like your Massenbergs & your Chandlers & your Great
>>Rivers, etc - none of which come with digital i/o's - and still
>>have a GREAT setup for a full-on basic tracking session!
>>
>>Then after you track all your basics, you've got your DSP-no-
>>latency 'verb for the vocalist to hear as he's doing his real
>>takes, and DSP summing for mixdown time, just like Gay Paree
>>without the fucking mimes & the cats & the 17-day wait to
>>reauthorize like the poor couple of sonsofbitches who we've
>>seen posting the last few days; and just like PTHD, but without
>>being trapped into the endless cycle of "spend more than I
>>muthafuckin' have, spend more than I muthafucking have again
>>two years later"...
>>
>>... so why hasn't somebody done this? THIS is the market we're
>>all in, right? Those features at that price point? Wouldn't we
>>all pay it? Tomorrow, first thing in the morning? Wouldn't
>>about at least a quarter million other people that we don't
>>even know about do the same? And it can be done (obviously,
>>look at the half-assed feature sets at half the price that if
>>combined, could add up to this type of unit at that price
>>point!).
>>
>>So why? WHY hasn't anyone done this?
>>
>><Rant off>
>Yeah.....if full spec DVD (as in 96k/24bit) was my destination format, I'd
not be using Paris for mixing anyway.
;o)
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:45497267$1@linux...
> What you do is sound, (thinking), but to go back to full spec DVD,that
> doesn't make much sense to me.
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:4548e372@linux...
> >I do it oftten (as in almost always) for Cd's. Dithering at the final
stage
> > seems to cover any quantization noise created by the truncation....but
> > this
> > is for CD's. I'm not doing DVD's here, but I would definitely apply some
> > sort of dither or noise shaping (as in using Waves IDR) to the audio,
even
> > if not going to 16 bit.
> >
> > Deej
> >
> > "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:4542db33$1@linux...
> >> Hmmm
> >> So you're happy to truncate 24 bit files to 20 bit and then convert
back
> > to
> >> 24 bit for the DVD master....how does it sound?
> >> --
> >> Martin Harrington
> >> www.lendanear-sound.com
> >>
> >> "espresso" <audio@espressodigital.com> wrote in message
> >> news:453dc969$1@linux...
> >> >I posted this a while ago.. I now use Nuendo with a Layla 3G to
output
> >> >8
> > x
> >> > analog channels and 8 x ADAT stems to Paris ie. Paris is now my
mixer,
> > its
> >> > in the same computer, its easy....hardly any overhead as all Paris is
> >> > doing
> >> > is sitting in 'live' mode. I've been doing a bunch of live concert
DVDs
> >> > with
> >> > 50 odd channels - 2 hour files - no chance I'd be wanting to convert
> >> > all
> >> > those puppies to .pafs... or even the stems for that matter. The
proof
> > is
> >> > in
> >> > the sound - the files played through Paris are alive and have depth.
> > Same
> >> > mix in Nuendo...urrrgghh. I know that I'm getting a double belt of
> >> > DA-AD
> >> > plus losing 4 bits of info through the Paris ADAT, but honestly the
end
> >> > justifies the means. All i'm trying to add to the discussion is - if
> >> > you
> >> > want the functionality of the native program plus the Paris sound its
> >> > readily achievable without having to jump through the '2nd computer
as
> > FX
> >> > buss' hoops.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> > David.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Kim" <Report message to a moderator
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