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| EDS-1000 Cards [message #55613] |
Tue, 12 July 2005 23:47  |
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| Re: EDS-1000 Cards [message #55928 is a reply to message #55618] |
Sat, 16 July 2005 07:02  |
Miguel Vigil [1]
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fixed ?
>> > Does anyone have any schematics , because to take it to my technician
>> there
>> > isn't much he can do without schematics.
>> > Regards,
>> > Dimitrios
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>Thanks Neil, re-checking RME drivers today. Haven't tried reversing
the master/slave thang, but you're right -- couldn't hurt.
Would be nice to solve one of these things every now and then without
spending more money -- but I'm already leaning toward upgrading that
card to the newer "DSP" version, with onboard midi i/o. And I have an
older machine that my original 9652 would do well in. Then there's
new samplers to look at, etc., etc.,
"Why do these kids need to eat again? -- Didn't we feed them last
week?"
Chas
On 22 Aug 2005 00:08:50 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote:
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>Have you tried slaving Paris to the other machine? When I was
>using Logic for MIDI, together with Paris, I tried u
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| Re: EDS-1000 Cards [message #55932 is a reply to message #55929] |
Sat, 16 July 2005 08:43 |
Deej [1]
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------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C5A65A.74A86E70--Hi Paul,
And all Parisians - AES passes are available ,
Please let me know who would like to go :)
Also - Paul if did you make dinner plans last time ? - that place
was great !
Morgan
800-901-2001
morganp@ntplx.net
Paul Artola wrote:
> Well, AES will soon be back in New York. Anyone here planning to
> attend? Anyone want to get together for a Paris group dinner again?
> Those who were are the last one in 2003 can attest to the great time
> they had.
>
> In a related note, if you read this, Morgan, can you help a brother
> out with a pass to the AES Exhibits? Thanks in advance.
>
> - Paul Artola
> Ellicott City, Maryland
>Hi Tom,
Yup - I
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| Re: EDS-1000 Cards [message #55978 is a reply to message #55952] |
Sun, 17 July 2005 12:45 |
Tom Bruhl
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C5AA9B.9F3DAFC0--I'm formatting a 120gb HD in Win 98SE. What the heck is the relationship,
if any, between FAT32 and z:64? If a drive is formatted with the z:64 "switch"
on, can I copy files to it that have been previously saved on an HD formatted
with FAT32? I've searched the net high and low before asking here. All
my previous Paris audio drives have been formatted (with drive overlays -no
more of that....) with FAT32.
Thanks,
MRHow do you do that?
Dimitrios wrote:
> I finally tried the mono versions of EDS reverbs on channel inserts .
> What I found to my surprise is that the same effects remain in the aux as
> stereo which I somewhere read that this could not be... anyway.
> The problem is that there is no dry/wet control when used as inserts but the
> "wires" come to rescue.
> Just routing the channel to another that serves as a reverb mono return with
> eq and extra effects if you please....
> Anyone has some extra experience ?
> Regards,
> DimitriosInteresting how opinions vary.After some of the hype I saw about
it I wasn't really blown away by it.I didn't think it was bad,but
it wouldn't be on the top of my recommended list.And I'm a big
Kevin Spacey fan,but this one just didn't do it for me.
Pete
"DC" <dc@whodat.org> wrote:
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>This is really good...
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>http://www.beyondtheseathemovie.com
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>DCYes.
Formatting with Z:64 simly changes how the drive stores the information on
the hdd. It makes the (I think) cluster size as big as possible, so when
you're retreiving large files like audio files, it takes as few clusters
as possible, meaning less traffic and mucking about by your OS to get the
information on and off the drive.
As I understand it, if you format an 80 gig hdd and also format a 60 gig
hdd, they will have different Z settings by default, hence there are no file
compatibility issues between the different settings. It just controls the
size of each data chunk on the drive, but a file read on or to the drive
will come off again exactly as it was.
Cheers,
Kim.
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>I'm formatting a 120gb HD in Win 98SE. What the heck is the relationship,
>if any, between FAT32 and z:64? If a drive is formatted with the z:64 "switch"
>on, can I copy files to it that have been previously saved on an HD formatted
>with FAT32? I've searched the net high and low before asking here. All
>my previous Paris audio drives have been formatted (with drive overlays
-no
>more of that....) with FAT32.
>Thanks,
>MRThere is a code line hack if I remember right, but you lose the verbs on the
auxes?
Talk to me Dimitrious, I'm interested in this approach you're taking !
AA
"Gantt Kushner" <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message
news:430F99CF.36C1F3BF@his.com...
> How do you do that?
>
> Dimitrios wrote:
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>> I finally tried the mono versions of EDS reverbs on channel inserts .
>> What I found to my surprise is that the same effects remain in the aux as
>> stereo which I somewhere read that this could not be... anyway.
>> The problem is that there is no dry/wet control when used as inserts but
>> the
>> "wires" come to rescue.
>> Just routing the channel to another that serves as a reverb mono return
>> with
>> eq and extra effects if you please....
>> Anyone has some extra experience ?
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>somehow i really do theink kim is the man for the job...mefreakinyow.
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:15:56 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>So you're the tin man, eh? With the clothes I wear around here, all I need
>to do is go out and jump in the haystack and I could be the scarecrow. Now
>all we need is someone with a lion suit and a drag queen who impersonates
>Judy Garland.
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:flgug15spv1qhhprnumn6sftdd8mvctmbt@4ax.com...
>> ain't nuthin' like a good tin foil hat...keeps you safe and gives you
>> ideas.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> On 26 Aug 2005 20:46:43 +1000, "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> >
>> >rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>have you tried a 98se install just to see if the board just works?
>> >
>> >No. That's not a bad idea actually...
>> >
>> >Cheers,
>> >Kim.
>>
>HI,
NO you are not loosing the reverbs on AUXES !
Thats what I heard before but I tried.
I use Me and I have the subsystem installed in Me....
Even the stereo perspective is rtained in auxes !
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:430faf90@linux...
> There is a code line hack if I remember right, but you lose the verbs on
the
> auxes?
> Talk to me Dimitrious, I'm interested in this approach you're taking !
>
> AA
>
>
> "Gantt Kushner" <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message
> news:430F99CF.36C1F3BF@his.com...
> > How do you do that?
> >
> > Dimitrios wrote:
> >
> >> I finally tried the mono versions of EDS reverbs on channel inserts .
> >> What I found to my surprise is that the same effects remain in the aux
as
> >> stereo which I somewhere read that this could not be... anyway.
> >> The problem is that there is no dry/wet control when used as inserts
but
> >> the
> >> "wires" come to rescue.
> >> Just routing the channel to another that serves as a reverb mono return
> >> with
> >> eq and extra effects if you please....
> >> Anyone has some extra experience ?
> >> Regards,
> >> Dimitrios
> >
>
>Here is the file to modify stockfx.ini
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:430faf90@linux...
> There is a code line hack if I remember right, but you lose the verbs on
the
> auxes?
> Talk to me Dimitrious, I'm interested in this approach you're taking !
>
> AA
>
>
> "Gantt Kushner" <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message
> news:430F99CF.36C1F3BF@his.com...
> > How do you do that?
> >
> > Dimitrios wrote:
> >
> >> I finally tried the mono versions of EDS reverbs on channel inserts .
> >> What I found to my surprise is that the same effects remain in the aux
as
> >> stereo which I somewhere read that this could not be... anyway.
> >> The problem is that there is no dry/wet control when used as inserts
but
> >> the
> >> "wires" come to rescue.
> >> Just routing the channel to another that serves as a reverb mono return
> >> with
> >> eq and extra effects if you please....
> >> Anyone has some extra experience ?
> >> Regards,
> >> Dimitrios
> >
>
>
You add all the following at the end of the stockfx.ini file in your
system\ensoniq\plugins folder for Me Win98 and in system32\ensoniq\plugins
As I said for effecting a group of channels with EDS effect you put wir
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| Re: EDS-1000 Cards [message #55979 is a reply to message #55978] |
Sun, 17 July 2005 14:03 |
Aaron Allen
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e out
0# in aux1 first slot effect.
Then you engage the aux1 on the channels you wanna further process like kick
snare hihat and overheads.
Then you go to an empty track and put on eds effect slot wire in #0 , there
you will have a mix of all your engaged drumtracks.
Note that having AUX1 same level for all tracks you can have the same rouph
balancing of levels as you have on your indivindual tracks.
Then you put a EDS compressor.a reverb (mono version) whatever.
There is some samples delay on that but anyway...
Regards,
Dimitrios
; BEGIN HERE
; Extra mono patches for the existing reverbs. Remove lines from here to
; the bottom of the file if things go pear-shaped.
;
;-----------------
patch ePlatePatch2
;-----------------
box espPlateBox plateBox0 0
parm outL { extPortId:0 }
parm in { extPortId:0 }
ui little alLayoutPatchUI { l:150 t:50 w:300 h:300 title:"Plate Rev"
shortTitle:"Plate" dline:"Plate" bgPattern:patchBg statusBttnFl:1 }
box plateBox0 ui0 { l:1 t:1 }
endui
endpatch
;-----------------
patch eSmroomPatch2
;-----------------
box espSmroomBox smroomBox0 0
parm outL { extPortId:0 }
parm inL { extPortId:0 }
ui little alLayoutPatchUI { l:150 t:50 w:300 h:300 title:"Room Rev"
shortTitle:"Room" dline:"Room" bgPattern:patchBg statusBttnFl:1 }
box smroomBox0 ui0 { l:1 t:1 }
endui
endpatch
;-----------------
patch eNonlinPatch2
;-----------------
box espNonlinBox nonlinBox0 0
parm outL { extPortId:0 }
parm inL { extPortId:0 }
ui little alLayoutPatchUI { l:150 t:50 w:300 h:300 title:"Non Lin Rev"
shortTitle:"NonLin" dline:"Nonlin" bgPattern:patchBg }
box nonlinBox0 ui0 { l:1 t:1 }
endui
endpatch
; END HERE
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:43102fef@linux...
> Here is the file to modify stockfx.ini
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:430faf90@linux...
> > There is a code line hack if I remember right, but you lose the verbs on
> the
> > auxes?
> > Talk to me Dimitrious, I'm interested in this approach you're taking !
> >
> > AA
> >
> >
> > "Gantt Kushner" <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message
> > news:430F99CF.36C1F3BF@his.com...
> > > How do you do that?
> > >
> > > Dimitrios wrote:
> > >
> > >> I finally tried the mono versions of EDS reverbs on channel inserts .
> > >> What I found to my surprise is that the same effects remain in the
aux
> as
> > >> stereo which I somewhere read that this could not be... anyway.
> > >> The problem is that there is no dry/wet control when used as inserts
> but
> > >> the
> > >> "wires" come to rescue.
> > >> Just routing the channel to another that serves as a reverb mono
return
> > >> with
> > >> eq and extra effects if you please....
> > >> Anyone has some extra experience ?
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Dimitrios
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>I am also a big Kevin fan, but he still looks like a 45 year old guy playing
a 20 year old guy.I am sure there are some of you that have tried or still use the following
method.
How to group stereo drumtracks in Paris put them a stereo compressor just
using two instances of EDS compressor.
1.I put on aux1 eds compressor with the following settings:
Gentle Crash algorithm with 1:75 setting -81.4 threshold and 17.5 db output.
2. I do the same on aux2 putting another instance of same compressor.
3.I open aux1 and aux 2 on all drumtracks, here I have one kick, two snares
(top/bottom) two overheads (L and R) one ride and three toms
..
4. Now I put all auxes on pre post and I put all faders down to zero.
5. I put all drumtracks in the stereo field i.e Overheads L I open only aux1
and close aux2, the opposite for overhead R, the volume now is on auxe's
knob.
For kick I have both aux1 and aux 2 engaged with same volume for both
etc....
6 I can leave the return of the drumtracks on auxe's returns but I use
instead wire out #0 for aux 1 and wire out #1 for aux 2
7. Then I go to two free audio tracks and put there wire in #0 and #1
accordingly.
8. I pan them hardwired left and right. I can take it further with eq or
whatever from there....
So I have a compressed drummix stereo with EDS compressor using two
instances of EDS comp.
9. You can write down the compressed stereo track and bring it in along with
unprocessed drumtracks ,slide it until it sounds right nad voila.
I really like the eds compressor on gentle crush setting , I also favour the
Opto.
Cheers,
DimitriosAssuming from my previous post about stereo compressing we can take it one
step further.
1. Use 6 auxes.
2. All auxes must be prefader.
3. All faders must be down.
4. Aux1 is the left front aux2 is the middle aux 3 is the right front, aux
4 is the back left ,aux 5 is the back right and aux 6 is the sub.
5. If you have more than one card you buy those new micromixers from
Behringer 22 Euros each ! that mix 4 channels (mono) into one.
So all Aux 1 of say four cards go thru Paris hardware in one of these mixers
and the output to your amplifier or your active monitor.
6. Now moving each auxe's volume you pan your sound wherever you please.
7. Note that you have to put on every auxe's second slot "external" to patch
the aux to a hardware output of Paris.
I would like your input and additional thoughts on that.
Regards,
DimitriosAbsolutely, and a valid criticism. But, like Judy Garland in
The Wizard of Oz (who was clearly too old to be Dorothy) *no one*
else cold have done it.
And, he gets to mug around with Kate Bosworth...
I don't see a downside here...
DC
"Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote:
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>I am also a big Kevin fan, but he still looks like a 45 year old guy playing
>a 20 year old guy.Though I have personally never had a problem with reconciling the theory of
evolution with the idea that there is a creative universal force/diety/God,
I also don't think it's really worth a lot of hassle trying to convince
others that they should think as I do.
However, now I think I've found another piece of the puzzle.
http://www.venganza.org/
..........and I have been convinced for quite a while that the dwindling
number pirates has had a direct bearing on something or another. It's nice
that this has finally been definitively pinned down.
It's all starting to make some sense now. Thanks goodness for the internet.This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Dimitrios,
I wonder if your stereo compressor is 'really' stereo in
the way it triggers. I'd worry for instance that the left=20
could trigger because of a tom strike but the right would not.
Wouldn't it be easier to run a stereo EDS comp in aux 1,
send your drum mix to it how you like using aux sends and=20
route the output of aux 1 via external to two channels by
patching aux 1 to spdif in and out and then to two channels? =20
Print them to disk and compensate for latency that there?
1ms does it for me at that point assuming no look ahead. =20
Don't forget the spdif cable connected looping from in to out=20
on the Mec.
Seems like the easiest way using EDS effects. Of course you
can also throw in any other VST effects once the tracks have been
printed. As long as your sure of the drum mix you can do this
as your last step. Kinda backwards but we use Paris don't we?
Gyro Gearloose
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
news:4310906a@linux...
I am sure there are some of you that have tried or still use the =
following
method.
How to group stereo drumtracks in Paris put them a stereo compressor =
just
using two instances of EDS compressor.
1.I put on aux1 eds compressor with the following settings:
Gentle Crash algorithm with 1:75 setting -81.4 threshold and 17.5 db =
output.
2. I do the same on aux2 putting another instance of same compressor.
3.I open aux1 and aux 2 on all drumtracks, here I have one kick, two =
snares
(top/bottom) two overheads (L and R) one ride and three toms
.
4. Now I put all auxes on pre post and I put all faders down to zero.
5. I put all drumtracks in the stereo field i.e Overheads L I open =
only aux1
and close aux2, the opposite for overhead R, the volume now is on =
auxe's
knob.
For kick I have both aux1 and aux 2 engaged with same volume for both
etc....
6 I can leave the return of the drumtracks on auxe's returns but I use
instead wire out #0 for aux 1 and wire out #1 for aux 2
7. Then I go to two free audio tracks and put there wire in #0 and #1
accordingly.
8. I pan them hardwired left and right. I can take it further with eq =
or
whatever from there....
So I have a compressed drummix stereo with EDS compressor using two
instances of EDS comp.
9. You can write down the compressed stereo track and bring it in =
along with
unprocessed drumtracks ,slide it until it sounds right nad voila.
I really like the eds compressor on gentle crush setting , I also =
favour the
Opto.
Cheers,
Dimitrios
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| Re: EDS-1000 Cards [message #56009 is a reply to message #55978] |
Mon, 18 July 2005 02:43 |
rick
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f="mailto:chris@applemanstudio.com" target="_blank">chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
> news:43131153$1@linux...
>>
>> How could we solve the flanging?
>>
>> COuld we say, copy all the drum tracks to an adjacent 7 group of tracks,
>> slide em ahead, than sample slide back (Like UAD1 Situation) them before
>> sending em to the AUX1? Then tuck em under the original drumtracks?
>>
>> would sample slide be before the Aux send?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>> >To group your drumtracks and send them thru stereo compression ,only one
>> EDS
>> >stereo instance I am sure most of you are already using this but maybe
> still
>> >some never tried...
>> >
>> >1.You put stereo compressor EDS on AUX1.
>> >2.You put on every drumtrack you wanna compress the aux1 in prefader
> status
>> >and control with auxe's panpot level the place you wanna put it in the
>> >stereo field.
>> >3.You push the fader all the way down -90 as to not have flanging on
>> >your
>> >drumsounds.
>> >4. You control indivindual drumlevels from Aux1 level knob and pannong
> from
>> >panpot knob.
>> >
>> >5. For you comressor outpout level you have that on Auxe's 1 return knob
>> >with panpot again possibilities.
>> >6. For EQ you put after the stereo compressor in aux1 the FreakQ which
>> >is
>> >also stereo to have control over frequencies.
>> >
>> >7. That makes me happy as opposed to using UAD1
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >Dimitrios
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>Yeh, I'm going through the old data sort at the moment, given I've just bought
a whole new world of space for my main box. I'm searching all my existing
drives... resorting data on to new drives... haven't gotten to the bit
where I delete what I don't need yet.
By the sound of it I don't have nearly as much data as you have on your systems.
It's still a daunting task though. 4.7Gig just isn't big enough.
Cheers,
Kim.
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Heh.. I see what you're saying, but I should've been more specific. I'm
not
>doing much on the client frontier these days, this is mainly my own data.
>Problem is I've collected all this info and it would take stacks and stacks
>and months to sift it all out to DVD+-R. Yikes, not looking forward to that!
>I need to find a good multidrive comparator program that will look at
>network drives as well and tell me where exact duplicates lie, because I'm
>just about sure that will be the case for at least 30% of my stuff.
>
>AA
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>n
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| Re: EDS-1000 Cards [message #56011 is a reply to message #55952] |
Mon, 18 July 2005 06:35 |
Miguel Vigil [1]
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om" target="_blank">garyf_94103@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Darwin's theory is showing no signs of becoming less authoritative,
>except
>> >in the minds of the rabidly superstious folks who comprise the American
>> Taliban.
>>
>>
>> Simply not the case my friend.
>>
>> Insults will not make the challenge to Darwin go away.
>>
>> DC
>>
>
>4.7Gig just isn't big enough.
Nope, it's not and that's how I ended up here. You don't even get the full
4.7 because of data overhead. How do I back up full AVI 720 x 480 2 hour raw
footage in semi to uncompressed formats to DVD's? That's been a real drag.
The Paris DVD with full renders, chapters, graphics and 3 camera angles
running at all times got unbelievably large. Huge, in fact. Basically, I had
to buy a second drive while doing it just because I had to impliment some
kind of back up and simply ran out of storage. I need to run it back to 2
tapes for backup but that doesn't cover the need for the authoring to be
backed up and also there is the formats problem. I don't think Hi8 will be
exactly standard in 10 years. Ah, the dilemnas :)
AA
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4313959d$1@linux...
>
>
> Yeh, I'm going through the old data sort at the moment, given I've just
> bought
> a whole new world of space for my main box. I'm searching all my existing
> drives... resorting data on to new drives... haven't gotten to the bit
> where I delete what I don't need yet.
>
> By the sound of it I don't have nearly as much data as you have on your
> systems.
> It's still a daunting task though. 4.7Gig just isn't big enough.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Heh.. I see what you're saying, but I should've been more specific. I'm
> not
>>doing much on the client frontier these days, this is mainly my own data.
>
>>Problem is I've collected all this info and it would take stacks and
>>stacks
>
>>and months to sift it all out to DVD+-R. Yikes, not looking forward to
>>that!
>>I need to find a good multidrive comparator program that will look at
>>network drives as well and tell me where exact duplicates lie, because I'm
>
>>just about sure that will be the case for at least 30% of my stuff.
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:fnk6h1hj1hvb66jdtiqoire5i7sf0euvi2@4ax.com...
>>> have the talent bring in a drive
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