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| Re: Build your own pedal.. [message #71521 is a reply to message #71492] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 00:14   |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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x...
> >
> > For most of the Clinton years the balance of power was divided between
> > both parties. Again, there is plenty of finger pointing to go around.
> > It's easy enough in hindsight to criticize the previous administration
> > on a number of counts.
> >
> > And in retrospect, those dems made a mistake trusting Bush with that
> > vote. OTOH, it was a moment of unity.
> >
> > Flash forward. Today all branches of national government are controlled
> > by one party. It doesn't bother me if you want to point blame at some of
> > the policies under Clinton. But again, merely pointing fingers backwards
> > in no way excuses the mistakes and failures of the current government.
> >
> > They walked in stating in clear terms that they felt the previous
> > government was wrong about almost everything, and then fell flat
> > overall, domestically and internationally.
> >
> > Looking at both governments, we can do better. We must do better.
> > At some point, and we're coming up on six years, the buck stops with
> > those in charge now.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -Jamie
> > http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >
> >
> >
> > DJ wrote:
> > > The dems you mentioned authorized the military attack on Iraq as a
last
> > > resort and I don't believe they were satisfied it was done as such.
> > >
> > > How convenient for them when it was the intelligence service that they
> > > created over 8 years of hard work that they now attempt to slag and
> blame
> > > for their decisdions so they can vote for the war before they vote
> against
> > > it.
> > >
> > > "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
news:450f8aec@linux...
> > >> There is plenty of finger pointing to go around. No doubt specific
> > >> things could have been handled better under the previous government.
> > >>
> > >> The transition of power between the previous and current governments
> was
> > >> pretty rocky, and a "not invented here" syndrome may have doomed the
> > >> hand-off of some al-Qaida related work that was in progress.
> > >>
> > >> In any case, no government gets a pass by blaming the previous
> > >> government. The current government, for example, failed to follow
> > >> through and prioritize the al-Qaida threat ahead of 9/11 and failed
to
> > >> prevent 9/11; failed to find and capture Bin Laden in Afghanistan;
> > >> failed to overcome Taliban control of large areas of Afghanistan;
> > >> allowed record drug production to reestablish itself there; failed to
> > >> plan for post Iraq invasion problems predicted by their own state
> > >> department; and they have continually exploited the "war on
terrorism"
> > >> for domestic political ends.
> > >>
> > >> You assert the WMDs were there. However Bush's chief inspector, and
> Bush
> > >> himself, say they weren't there after all. It was a bluff. One of the
> > >> Iraqi expatriate promoters of the bluff got the ear of our
government,
> > >> was believed, and, last I heard, had parlayed it into a position of
> > >> power in Iraq after the invasion.
> > >>
> > >> The dems you mentioned authorized the military attack on Iraq as a
last
> > >> resort and I don't believe they were satisfied it was done as such.
> > >>
> > >> Preemptive invasion is new as part of the "Bush (Jr.) Doctrine."
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> -Jamie
> > >> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> DJ wrote:
> > >>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
> news:450f3862@linux...
> > >>>> Neither, actually. And what we ought to do would depend on the
nature
> > > of
> > >>>> the threat.
> > >>> Agreed.
> > >>>
> > >>>> We might want to start with recommendations published in 1999, well
> > >>>> before the 9/11 attack.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Commission_on_Terroris m
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We can disagree about whether our current policy is one of
> overreacting
> > >>>> or not. We can probably really disagree about the newly minted
> > >>>> preemptive attack policy. :^)
> > >>> I don't think there is any newly minted attack policy. There has
> always
> > > been
> > >>> the *clear and present danger* perogative but it needs to be based
on
> > >>> accurate intelligence. Had this been available, then I doubt that
> Bush,
> > >>> Kerry, Kennedy Pelosi and the rest would have authorized the
invasion
> of
> > >>> Iraq, or perhaps they would have been able to find the WMD's before
> they
> > >>> were shipped out of the country or hidden. I just find it hard to
> > > stomach
> > >>> the hypocracy of the democrats whose policies neutered our
> intelligence
> > >>> services in the '90's when they trun around and blame Bush for the
> > > decisions
> > >>> made based on the intellegence blunders they created in the first
> place.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> Deej
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>> -Jamie
> > >>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> DJ wrote:
> > >>>>> I don't see us overreacting Jamie. However, if there is indication
> of
> > >>> some
> > >>>>> sort of major threat, do we run and tell the NY times or do we
blow
> > > the
> > >>>>> threat away before it pays us a visit?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
> > > news:450f0b12@linux...
> > >>>>>> Of course they came out with a blustery ultimatum. That's not
news,
> > >>> it's
> > >>>>>> an old pattern. It works for them to sit back and suggest that
> others
> > >>> do
> > >>>>>> something via terror-grams such as this. If it makes you afraid
as
> > >>> well,
> > >>>>>> my guess is they would see that as a bonus.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> By goading the USA into overreacting it helps them grow, raise
> money
> > >>> and
> > >>>>>> convince others to actually see us as evil and act accordingly.
It
> > >>>>>> works, we keep falling for it. OTOH, for those here with a
declared
> > >>>>>> interest in emptying the US treasury, it's likewise beneficial to
> > > have
> > >>>>>> the specter of an enemy out there. Fear sells.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> We have yet to actually declare war on anyone in this whole mess.
> How
> > >>> do
> > >>>>>> you declare war on a tactic?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Forced conversion and head taxes would go over like a lead
balloon
> in
> > >>&g
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