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| Re: No-o-o-o-o-o-o . . . ! [message #93050 is a reply to message #93049] |
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Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right
> now
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie
>>> rentals,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for)
> yet.
>>>>>> Dang!
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now
> and
>>>>> NAB,
>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice
>>> or
>>>>>>> fanfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and
>>> chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multitouch
>>>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>"Deej" <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>Heheh!!!....brilliant!!!!....did you watch the one with the snake???.....I
>know...I'm a total pig.....gawd I laughed so hard I woke up the dogs.
Where the guy is looking for the missing snake?
My wife would knock him out for that...
heh
DC10 GB ethernet, using a properly configured card and switch (TCP frame size
needs tweaking, you want bigger but usually not biggest), is _obscenely_
fast. We're spec'ing out a new SAN that we picked up for the office and I
patched an extra gigabit NIC into my Debian desktop (the linux network stack
is absolutely fabulous) and set up an iSCSI mount on my desktop. Just for
kicks I dragged a 700 MB ISO image over to the SAN. It moved in under 15
seconds. A _lot_ under 15 seconds. It was so fast I thought that a symlink
was created and the file would be copied when I unmounted the drive (happens
with some linux file transfers). Nope, it was that fast.
As someone who gets calls from 'post gen-x business travelers' at all hours
of the day and night because they can't get on a wireless network in their
hotel or airport, the first thing I ask is, 'Do you have a wired connection
available? OK, try that just to be sure anything is working at all.'
I just think this is incredibly stupid. You obviously disagree, so I'll drop
it, but I seriously would have considered one had they not done this.
TCB
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>We seem to be headed towards a wireless world, so Air isn't too far off
of
>that
>mark. Probably find a niche with post gen-x business travelers that live
on
>wifi and
>thumb drives.
>
>Not the solution audio and video people would want, but like Jamie said,
>we still have other laptops for that - just not ones thin enough to
>accidentally
>bend in half, or send with a fax... ;-)
>
>Imho, connectivity needs a little update - perhaps a snap locked fiber port
>with 10+ G/s speeds. 1394 is too loose of a connection design, and 1394c
and
>faster are no
>where to be seen yet (not to mention that most laptops use the smaller
>unpowered 1394 port).
>USB is too slow to the be the defacto data port on laptops, even though
it
>is.
>Fine for smaller or low bandwidth devices, but too slow for data backup
of
>any size.
>
>My .02.
>
>Dedric
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:478e7056$1@linux...
>>
>> MacBook air, wow! Yawn!
>>
>> I'm with Thad, this was a dumb oversight on Apple's part. In May they
>> will
>> do updates to the MacBook line, I just hope they don't discontinue the
>> MacBook.
>> I cant see paying a $700.00 premium that is slower and can't do as much.
>> Also the memory is soldered in, 2GB is the max. Thinner and lighter is
>> great, but I need functionality. At $1099.00, the MacBook is a better
>> deal.
>>
>> Apple, give the people what they want!
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>> You're missing my point. Let's say I have a user in Bangalore who just
>> blew
>>>> out their wireless drivers. I can say, 'Go to the business center (or
>> plug
>>>> in in your room) and call me on your cell phone.' I can walk them
>>>> through
>>>> fixing their machine. WIth this Mac I'd have to say, 'Go buy a USB pen
>> drive
>>>> and borrow someone's laptop that works and call me on your cell phone.'
>> Busy
>>>> people traveling don't want to hear that.
>>>
>>>I thought you were talking about buying a laptop for yourself.
>>>
>>>If you're speccing a machine for someone else that you support, and you
>>
>>>think there's a possibility the airport capability might fail, you'd
>>>have to include the USB ethernet adapter.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I know I think like a tech, so I'm not really on Apple's wavelength,
but
>>>> to me not having a secondary networking option is fundamentally bad
>>>> computer
>>>> design. It's asking for trouble.
>>>
>>>It has a secondary networking option: that pesky USB to ethernet adapter.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>> I don't buy the form factor argument. It's not thinner than an
>>>>>> ethernet
>>>> jack,
>>>>>> and a mini FW plug is smaller the USB, which it has.
>>>>> I agree it would be better to have those ports. Although mini FW
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>
>>>>> supply power so that would leave some accessories in the cold.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it looks like they were very strict in the design phase to leave
>> off
>>>>
>>>>> anything they could in the interest of ultimate low weight and
>>>>> thinness.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What if your wireless drivers break? How do you get the right drivers
>>>> on
>>>>>> the machine?
>>>>> The external USB DVDR drive is a $100 option.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What happens if the card itself breaks, no networking possible?
>>>>> The USB to ethernet adapter is $30.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And while WAP may be finally getting at least decent, what if you
need
>>>> to
>>>>>> transfer medical records, talk to a server, and so on? Wireless just
>> isn't
>>>>>> as secure as a wire.
>>>>> True.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm guessing they think it's needed in order to keep the size down
>>>>>>> and keep the wow factor up (my daughter in 3rd year and her friends
>> are
>>>>>>> dying to get it), whilst still providing alternatives for
>>>>>>> connect-ability so it's not a deal killer for users like us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, by doing so, they are driving the market (wireless) and
>>>>>>> therefore
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> a leg up
>>>>>>> on the competition by establishing tech standards. I believe they
>>>>>>> were
>>>> the
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> to drop floppy drives, use Firewire etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not saying I agree with their thinking, just speculating as to their
>>>> rationale,
>>>>>>> FWIW.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> My point is that it shouldn't be necessary. Ethernet and at least
>> one
>>>> fw
>>>>>>> port
>>>>>>>> should be standard on any computer at this point. I have no clue
why
>>>> they
>>>>>>>> chose to exclude it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sorry - it's $29, plus the cost of a hub if you need other inputs
>> simultaneously.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Here's a USB2 to Ethernet adaptor that Apple is supplying for
$20.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB442Z/A#overview
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are USB to Firewire adaptors available too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Adding adaptors is second best I guess...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should
not
>>>> be
>>>>>> considered
>>>>>>>>>>> luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days.
Why
>>>> apple
>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> include them is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff.
>>>> Great
>>>>>>>>>>>> for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what
>> I
>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>&
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| Re: No-o-o-o-o-o-o . . . ! [message #93054 is a reply to message #93048] |
Sun, 25 November 2007 23:40 |
steve the artguy
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gt; fast. We're spec'ing out a new SAN that we picked up for the office and I
> patched an extra gigabit NIC into my Debian desktop (the linux network
> stack
> is absolutely fabulous) and set up an iSCSI mount on my desktop. Just for
> kicks I dragged a 700 MB ISO image over to the SAN. It moved in under 15
> seconds. A _lot_ under 15 seconds. It was so fast I thought that a symlink
> was created and the file would be copied when I unmounted the drive
> (happens
> with some linux file transfers). Nope, it was that fast.
>
> As someone who gets calls from 'post gen-x business travelers' at all
> hours
> of the day and night because they can't get on a wireless network in their
> hotel or airport, the first thing I ask is, 'Do you have a wired
> connection
> available? OK, try that just to be sure anything is working at all.'
>
> I just think this is incredibly stupid. You obviously disagree, so I'll
> drop
> it, but I seriously would have considered one had they not done this.
>
> TCB
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>We seem to be headed towards a wireless world, so Air isn't too far off
> of
>>that
>>mark. Probably find a niche with post gen-x business travelers that live
> on
>>wifi and
>>thumb drives.
>>
>>Not the solution audio and video people would want, but like Jamie said,
>>we still have other laptops for that - just not ones thin enough to
>>accidentally
>>bend in half, or send with a fax... ;-)
>>
>>Imho, connec
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| Re: No-o-o-o-o-o-o . . . ! [message #93056 is a reply to message #93054] |
Sun, 25 November 2007 23:27 |
DJ
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a $700.00 premium that is slower and can't do as much.
>>> Also the memory is soldered in, 2GB is the max. Thinner and lighter is
>>> great, but I need functionality. At $1099.00, the MacBook is a better
>
>>> deal.
>>>
>>> Apple, give the people what they want!
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>> You're missing my point. Let's say I have a user in Bangalore who just
>>> blew
>>>>> out their wireless drivers. I can say, 'Go to the business center (or
>>> plug
>>>>> in in your room) and call me on your cell phone.' I can walk them
>>>>> through
>>>>> fixing their machine. WIth this Mac I'd have to say, 'Go buy a USB pen
>>> drive
>>>>> and borrow someone's laptop that works and call me on your cell
>>>>> phone.'
>>> Busy
>>>>> people traveling don't want to hear that.
>>>>
>>>>I thought you were talking about buying a laptop for yourself.
>>>>
>>>>If you're speccing a machine for someone else that you support, and you
>>>
>>>>think there's a possibility the airport capability might fail, you'd
>>>>have to include the USB ethernet adapter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I know I think like a tech, so I'm not really on Apple's wavelength,
> but
>>>>> to me not having a secondary networking option is fundamentally bad
>
>>>>> computer
>>>>> design. It's asking for trouble.
>>>>
>>>>It has a secondary networking option: that pesky USB to ethernet
>>>>adapter.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't buy the form factor argument. It's not thinner than an
>>>>>>> ethernet
>>>>> jack,
>>>>>>> and a mini FW plug is smaller the USB, which it has.
>>>>>> I ag
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| Re: No-o-o-o-o-o-o . . . ! [message #93071 is a reply to message #93070] |
Mon, 26 November 2007 10:37 |
DJ
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d her hand and she gave a
statement to the police. During the interview we were told that the sanctuary
city policy has drawn some pretty ugly folks to this area and that there
have been numerous attempted rapes and robberies in supermarket parking lots
all over this town recently by young hispanic males who, when arrested, have
turned out to be illegal immigrants. The guy who grabbed Amy was a young
hispanic male. Little did this guy know that Amy is one of the best sketch
artists in Colorado. She had a drawing of the guy for police the next day.
They are still looking for him.Hey Doug! Happy New Year back atcha!
Cheers,
-Jamie
Doug Wellington wrote:
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok.. I just went over to the Euphonix site, and I saw the new artist
>> series
>> MC/MC-Mix.. I'm very impressed.
>>
>> http://euphon221.securesites.net/artist/products/artist_syst ems/overview.php
>
> Nice. That's sort of what I've been trying to build with my C-16
> replacement... (Sigh...)
>
> Doug (no, the other Doug...)
>
> P.S. Hi everybody! Happy New Year...
>
>Amy rocks! Good for her.
Please tell her I said that. That could have turned out much worse.
Ok, so I am in a well-known bar on the coast here near San Diego.
Hot local cover band is playing and I went to see them (I did their
system). There is a beautiful girl (the best in the building frankly)
who sees the band fairly often, who has become a good friend. Now,
I am very married, and there is no funny biz going on, but since we
lau
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| Re: No-o-o-o-o-o-o . . . ! [message #93076 is a reply to message #93073] |
Mon, 26 November 2007 11:37 |
DJ
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r solution (other than Ethernet).
Dedric
On 1/16/08 8:30 PM, in article hfito318eg5bomg413oafvcmqj4djlvdjm@4ax.com,
"Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
> On 17 Jan 2008 03:26:37 +1000, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Jamie,
>>
>> There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not be
>> considered
>> luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why apple
>> didn't
>> include them is beyond me.
>>
>
> Apple has been moving away from Firewire for several years, starting
> with dropping it from the iPod generation right after mine.
>
> It pisses me off, since they INVENTED the damn format. And it's
> superiror to USB2 for large data transfers, especially lin audio and
> video.
>
> But in their desperation to capture the PC market, I truly believe
> they "dumbed down" the iPod and other devices to USB2 since most pc's
> don't have firewire, and do have USB. So, the rest of us faithful who
> have been using firewire for years get screwed because Joe Average
> only has USB. And it also kinda pisses me off that most people think
> Microsoft and Intel invented the whole USB concept, when Apple had the
> Apple Desktop Bus since the IIgs model.
>
> At least the pro Macs still have firewire. But that was one of the
> reasons I bought my iPod Photo and didn't hold off for the iPod Video.
> Mine is the last generation that uses FIrewire -- the next model will
> still charge via Firewire, but will on
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| Re: No-o-o-o-o-o-o . . . ! [message #93077 is a reply to message #93076] |
Mon, 26 November 2007 11:57 |
JeffH
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ly sync up via USB2. And when I
> bought it, I only had USB1 ports and refused to buy a separate card.
>
> pabI was disappointed when they dumped the FW on the iPods. Most of the Macs
I own have USB 1.1 which is really slow, and doesn't work as well as FW.
They left out all the people that have external FW drives with this lap
top. There answer is for us to spend another $300 to $500, and un-securely
back up over the air. Some times they are just too whiz-bang, consumer oriented,
they need to think prosumer.
I wish Apple would stop building obsolescence in to their products. They
have put iSight cameras on the iMac and all the lap tops, why wouldn't they
put one on the iPhone and the iPods? Why not add a mic to the iPod so you
could do dictation or record lectures. I hate having to buy add on doodads.
The whole idea, is suppose to be portability. I don't want to carry more
stuff.
Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>On 17 Jan 2008 03:26:37 +1000, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Jamie,
>>
>>There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not be considered
>>luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why apple
didn't
>>include them is beyond me.
>>
>
>Apple has been moving away from Firewire for several years, starting
>with dropping it from the iPod generation right after mine.
>
>It pisses me off, since they INVENTED the damn format. And it's
>superiror to USB2 for large data transfers, especially lin audio and
>video.
>
>But in their desperation to capture the PC market, I truly believe
>they "dumbed down" the iPod and other devices to USB2 since most pc's
>don't have firewire, and do have USB. So, the rest of us faithful who
>have been using firewire for years get screwed because Joe Average
>only has USB. And it also kinda pisses me off that most people think
>Microsoft and Intel invented the whole USB concept, when Apple had the
>Apple Desktop Bus since the IIgs model.
>
>
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| Re: No-o-o-o-o-o-o . . . ! [message #93109 is a reply to message #93072] |
Tue, 27 November 2007 03:14 |
Martin Harrington
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about being enamoured with all things Apple.
> Sure, he could have gone cheaper, but money is hardly a concern for
> Shelly considering his success - it's just a reference point
> that he could have spent 1/3 of what he did and accomplished the same
> amount of work, but being enamoured with Apple, he goes for the gold
> instead. In other words, he's a victim of clever marketing - getting
> you to buy way more than you need or want.
I can't speak for him, but I didn't buy way more than I need or want,
and I have a Mac.
> When you have the option to pay $1000 or less and get the same job done
> (depending on what job you are trying to accomplish of course), vs.
> going with a brand mainly to be brand loyal and hip while having no
> choice under $2-4k or more, how else do you evaluate the two options?
If you're implying that the only reason people buy Macs is to be "brand
loyal and hip," you're wrong. That doesn't apply to most of the
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| Re: No-o-o-o-o-o-o . . . ! [message #93131 is a reply to message #93109] |
Tue, 27 November 2007 13:37 |
DJ
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Neil wrote:
>>>>> A great read once again from Mr. Palmer...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.jackmyers.com/commentary/shelly-palmer-report/138 65472.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>Now why did you think I was criticizing Apple with hyperbole? Could it be
that Apple skin is just a little thin? And... I don't recall a desktop
release with more than
3 models... so, "every" means "every". That's not called hyperbole, it's
called history. ;-))
By "blinding speed" I seriously meant a dual quad in general - any dual
quad. You are missing
the whole market of families that on average probably have about $1k to
spend on a computer to serve
everyone, and when faced with a full desktop with monitor included, or a
cube with limited expansion and
I/O capabilities, and monitor additional, where do you think they will go?
Just sayin' that the PC aisle at CompUSA
and BestBuy are always busier than the Apple sections, and the number of PC
options dwarfs the Mac shelves
significantly. This isn't our market, so it's easy to overlook it.
Nothing wrong with Macs, but you have to admit that the general culture and
approach of Apple is "build loyalty by limiting choices
both on the way in and when it comes time to upgrade".
DT
"Jamie K" <
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