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| Re: Where's Mr. Simplicity????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [message #56012 is a reply to message #55975] |
Mon, 18 July 2005 06:55   |
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Miguel Vigil [1]
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for their stuff.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:24:16 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
>>> <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Not in my Paris box alone, but I'd be willing to bet I have at least
>>>>that
>>>>amongst my PC's. Worst part is how do you back up that much info?
>>>>
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Mike R." <nope@nope> wrote in message news:4313180f$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> How about .5 terrabyte? Some in, some out of the box.
>>>>> I remember when a producer friend of mine got one of the early Macs,
> had
>>>>> a whopping megabyte on the HD. We both thought, "man, you'd never fill
>>>>> that
>>>>> up." When will the madness stop!!;-)
>>>>> MR
>>>>>
>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've just bought these 2 x 250Gig drives. Plus my old 120Gig is still
> in
>>>>>>the box, in addition to my old old 27Gig... all up that's... err...
>>>>> 647Gig!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Surely somebody here has a terrabyte in their Paris box? :o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>Kim.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>"Gary Flanigan" <garyf_94103@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I'm not aware of any real scientific challenge. People are entitled to
their
>faith, but the Intelligent Design folks are just promoting Creationism under
>another name. There was a very good column in yesterday's NY Times pointing
>out that the folks promoting this admit themselves that they have put forward
>no scientific case. If people believe in this, fine, but it should be taught
>at home or at their churches.
Gary, it just isn't so. ID does not ask religious questions. it asks
scientific questions about the claims of Darwinism relating to
life's origins and existence. Creation Science attempts to derive
a complete scientific worldview from the Bible.
They are very different.
ID will not neccesarily lead to any personal belief, but it is carving
deeply into the Naturalistic philosophy that is at the heart of
much of their version of science.
Here is a response:
Daniel Dennett's Sham Science - Jonathan Witt
Sunday's New York Tim
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| Re: Where's Mr. Simplicity????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [message #56021 is a reply to message #56012] |
Mon, 18 July 2005 07:48 |
rick
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mples) , thus voxengo
>> >sample delay should be 76 samples...
>> >I hope now I got this right.
>> >Sorry again for beeing so quick with my posts without double checking
>first.
>> >Dimitrios
>> >"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>news:4313339c$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> May also be cool to put some bass guitar in there.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Nice job on getting those numbers!
>> >> >Seems like the same idea I was saying, you are just using the first
>set
>> >> as
>> >> >the aux..and the copied set as the play back? AM I missing something
>> >though?
>> >> >Could mean the need for another EDS card,.
>> >> >
>> >> >"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>> >> >>Ok,
>> >> >>Here is the other way of doing it .
>> >> >>You have only to move the original auxed drumtracks.
>> >> >>First you copy the drumtracks to adjastend tracks.
>> >> >>Then you aux the non copied with Stereo compressor as I detaled
>before.
>> >> >>Then you put faders at minimum -90 position for those drumtracks.
>> >> >>They now serve only for aux feeding.
>> >> >>Now you nudge them by 5ms to the left and put sampledelay on Native
>> slot
>> >> >and
>> >> >>put a 4 sample latency there (remember the aux procedure needs 236
>> >samples
>> >> >,
>> >> >>5ms=240-4=236)
>> >> >>Now all are sample accurate !
>> >> >>Regards,
>> >> >>Dimitrios
>> >> >>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>> >news:43131153$1@linux...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> How could we solve the flanging?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> COuld we say, copy all the drum tracks to an adjacent 7 group of
>> >tracks,
>> >> >>> slide em ahead, than sample slide back (Like UAD1 Situation) them
>> >before
>> >> >>> sending em to the AUX1? Then tuck em under the original drumtracks?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> would sample slide be before the Aux send?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>> >> >>> >To group your drumtracks and send them thru stereo compression
>,only
>> >> >one
>> >> >>> EDS
>> >> >>> >stereo instance I am sure most of you are already using this but
>> >maybe
>> >> >>still
>> >> >>> >some never tried...
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >1.You put stereo compressor EDS on AUX1.
>> >> >>> >2.You put on every drumtrack you wanna compress the aux1 in
>prefader
>> >> >>status
>> >> >>> >and control with auxe's panpot level the place you wanna put it
in
>> >the
>> >> >>> >stereo field.
>> >> >>> >3.You push the fader all the way down -90 as to not have flanging
>> on
>> >> >your
>> >> >>> >drumsounds.
>> >> >>> >4. You control indivindual drumlevels from Aux1 level knob and
>> >pannong
>> >> >>from
>> >> >>> >panpot knob.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >5. For you comressor outpout level you have that on Auxe's 1
>return
>> >> knob
>> >> >>> >with panpot again possibilities.
>> >> >>> >6. For EQ you put after the stereo compressor in aux1 the FreakQ
>> >which
>> >> >is
>> >> >>> >also stereo to have control over frequencies.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >7. That makes me happy as opposed to using
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| Re: Where's Mr. Simplicity????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [message #56022 is a reply to message #56021] |
Mon, 18 July 2005 08:04 |
Deej [1]
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UAD1
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >Regards,
>> >> >>> >Dimitrios
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
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>
>I know the no Limit with 1ms lookahead is different than a normal comp with
1ms look head (by 3 samples) but thats the way it worked out.
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
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>Here are some notes I copied (I have these stored as sampleslide presets)
>on lookahead makeup values
>
>1. EDS effect. 1ms back and 78 samples forward
>
>
>2.EDS effect w/.001 lookahead 1ms back and 33 samples
>forward (You might have to click the lookahead to 0 and back to 1)
>
>3.EDS effct w/.002 lookahead, Back 2ms and forward 67 samples
>
>4. w/.003 lookahead, Back 2ms and forward 21 samples
>
>5. w/.004 lookahead, Back 3ms and forward 56 samples
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>6. w/.005 lookahead, Back 3ms and forward 10 samples
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>No Limit ...no lookahead...Back 1ms and forward 78 samples
>
>" " 1ms lookahead....Back 1ms and forward 30 samples
>
>" " 25ms lookahead....Back 27ms(25+1+1) and forward 78 samples
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>
>I don't really go beyond 5 ms for lookahead, except for NoLimit,
>where I usually use 25 ms lookahead.
>I do know that nudging a track 7x1ms is NOT the same as 5+1+1 in Paris.
>I forgot what the sample diff is. I just have combinations logged that work
>for me and keep them as notes within the sampleslide presets.
>Rod
>
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>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>Regarding lookahead.
>>How do you compensate ?
>>Say you have 7 ms lookahead, you nudge 7 times 1ms to the left or one
5ms
>>and two 1ms ?
>>Is this the same ?
>>I read that 1ms is 80 samples but 5 ms is not 5x80=4000 but instead 240
>!!
>>What do you do ?
>>Dimitrios
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com> wrote in message
>>news:43134d1c$1@linux...
>>>
>>> every eds effect (compressor, gate, etc) has 2 samples of latency, and
>the
>>> aux's have 2 samples also, so you would be correct with 4 samples,
>>assuming
>>> no look ahead.
>>> Rod
>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>> >One correction, here it goes again...
>>> >I was having already btwo instances of compression open with lookahead
>so
>>> >the 236 was reffering to those two compressors too, sorry...
>>> >The actual latency is 4 samples.
>>> >Yes only 4 samples when you send via aux to a eds compressor with 0
>>> >lookahead.
>>> >So to compensate you have to nudge for 1ms (80 samples) , thus voxengo
>>> >sample delay should be 76 samples...
>>> >I hope now I got this right.
>>> >Sorry again for beeing so quick with my posts without double checking
>>first.
>>> >Dimitrios
>>> >"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>news:4313339c$1@linux...
>>> >>
>>> >> May also be cool to put some bass guitar in there.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Nice job on getting those numbers!
>>> >> >Seems like the same idea I was saying, you are just using the first
>>set
>>> >> as
>>> >> >the aux..and the copied set as the play back? AM I missing something
>>> >though?
>>> >> >Could mean the need for another EDS card,.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>> >> >>Ok,
>>> >> >>Here is the other way of doing it .
>>> >> >>You have only to move the original auxed drumtracks.
>>> >> >>First you copy the drumtracks to adjastend tracks.
>>> >> >>Then you aux the non copied with Stereo compressor as I detaled
>>before.
>>> >> >>Then you put faders at minimum -90 position for those drumtracks.
>>> >> >>They now serve only for aux feeding.
>>> >> >>Now you nudge them by 5ms to the left and put sampledelay on Native
>>> slot
>>> >> >and
>>> >> >>put a 4 sample latency there (remember the aux procedure needs 236
>>> >samples
>>> >> >,
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| Re: Where's Mr. Simplicity????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [message #56039 is a reply to message #56034] |
Mon, 18 July 2005 11:42 |
Deej [1]
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ax.com..." target="_blank">sntih154b667rqlqtlbadim0dlqs98p90b@4ax.com...
>> for my 14 gal tank when it hits 7 bucks. but, they just dropped it
>> .40 a gallon here yesterday so i don't know.
>>
>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 01:14:35 -0400, "justcron"
>> <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>>
>> >it costs $100 to fill the tank.
>> >
>> >how long?
>> >
>>
>I just don't post because I feel like it-I research-I read the army core of
engineer reports-The Wetlands had alot to do with the everday survival in
N.O. There was also an amazing article in national geographic about it-Bush
is not the most environment friendly president we've had. Then again I've
never felt that Bush
was really the man in charge
JMworst president ever
http://www.dextrus.com/WWL-AMInterviewNagin.mp3i'm no engineer but i think they should be built more along
> the line of a locomotive engine. in that the gas power plant provides
> the electricity; a smaller generator and a larger ele. motor
I thought they did, and to be honest, I can't think of any reason why they
would work any other way. I guess that shows how much I know about this. I
did see some commercial the other day for something that recharged the
battery every time the brakes were applied. I thought this to be rather
strange.........charging a battery on the downside of the motion. I guess
this might be a good thing for city driving though, since the brakes are un
use a lot. Not so good for highway driving. We need these engines on the big
long haul trucks too.
;oP
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rhglh1h2iomoo2b4i1g1h686epktg49i6k@4ax.com...
> same here if you pay at the pump with the shut off thing. i agree
> that hybrids are the way to go but i feel they're taking the wrong
> approach. i'm no engineer but i think they should be built more along
> the line of a locomotive engine. in that the gas power plant provides
> the electricity; a smaller generator and a larger ele. motor
>
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:09:42 -0600, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >In this area, if you prepay with a credit card, the pump shuts off at
$50.00
> >and you have to reauthorize the card to keep going. I've got a Honda
> >Passport with a 21 gallon tank. I can get about 400 miles (highway) out
of
> >it.. I've also got an Accord with a (I think) 12 gallon tank that I can
get
> >almost 400 miles out of on the highway.
> >
> >Both are paid for and have been for years.
> >
> >Next for me will be hybrids. No doubt about it at all. I may buy an old
> >pickup truck to park next to the horse trailer to use occasionally for
short
> >hauls of horses and hay. That all the action it's going to see.
> >
> >
> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:sntih154b667rqlqtlbadim0dlqs98p90b@4ax.com...
> >> for my 14 gal tank when it hits 7 bucks. but, they just dropped it
> >> .40 a gallon here yesterday so i don't know.
> >>
> >> On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 01:14:35 -0400, "justcron"
> >> <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
> >>
> >> >it costs $100 to fill the tank.
> >> >
> >> >how long?
> >> >
> >>
> >
>I love it when you quote the LA times. This is like having a bucket of
biased shit from which to draw any time someone wants to *sling spin* from
the left. Hell yes, we're in a war and it does take funding from other
places. This cute little graph you show could likely be used to show the
same thing done by other presidents for New Orleans or any number of other
things. Let's create a graph to see how many times Clinton made an effective
move to proactively protect this country from terrorist threats while we're
at it. The graph would never show a spike. Perhaps he could get Mark Rich to
donate a couple of the mone that he made brokering oil deals for Sadaam
during the thime the UN had him under sanction.
(quote from AP article in the King county Journal on Sept 1)
A senior Corps commander discounted the notion the disaster could have been
averted by full funding of projects such as new and beefed up levees to
protect against hurricane surges from Lake Pontchartrain and improving
pumping and drainage capacity in New Orleans.
"These (projects) were not funded at the full ability of the Corps of
Engineers to execute the project," said Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, commander of
the Army Corps of Engineers. "But the important question is, 'Would that
have made a difference?' And my assessment is, no, it would not."
But Strock did acknowledge that more funding for the Southeast Louisiana
Flood Control Project would allow the Corps to more quickly pump out the
floodwaters inundating New Orleans.
"Had we had the SELA project finished ... we could more efficiently move the
water out of the system because it's a big drainage project," Strock said.
Other presidents also have taken aim at the Corps' budget. President
Carters' first veto came against a big water projects bill passed by a
Democratic-dominated Congress. And President Clinton squeezed the Corps
budget as well. Doing so frees money for other White House priorities.
"I fought every ... administration when they tried to use the Corps of
Engineers as a piggy bank to pay for other projects," said former House
Appropriations Committee Chairman Bob Livingston, a Louisiana Republican who
represented the New Orleans suburbs for more than 20 years. "I had major
battles with the Clinton administration."
"Going back to Carter. They've all sought to draw down the Corps of
Engineers and put it elsewhere," he said.
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compounded> wrote in message
news:431af60d@linux...
> worst president ever
>
>
>
>Excellent. One of my cats is nice a fat. If things get bad....here kitty,
kitty....
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:431a7af0$1@linux...
> >maybe a chihuahua...
>
> You know, of course, that these dogs were bred, by the Aztecs, to be
> portable snack food..........right?
>
> ;o)
>
> "upto
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| Re: Where's Mr. Simplicity????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [message #56041 is a reply to message #56039] |
Mon, 18 July 2005 12:33 |
rick
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y.
> >
> > Not the horses (fuck that), bit everything else....maybe a
chihuahua...it
> > won't eat the cats....
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:431a3a77$1@linux...
> > >
> > >
> > > Both (cars) are paid for, and have been for years.
> > >
> > > Next for me will be hybrids. No doubt about it at all. I may buy an
old
> > > pickup truck to park next to the horse trailer to use occasionally for
> > short
> > > hauls of horses and hay. That all the action it's going to see.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>I bet they're tender, like rabbit.
Jimmy
"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:431a7b9f$1@linux...
> Better-than-portable, self-ambulating food.
> Dubya
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:431a7af0$1@linux...
> > >maybe a chihuahua...
> >
> > You know, of course, that these dogs were bred, by the Aztecs, to be
> > portable snack food..........right?
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> > "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:431a7438@linux...
> >> Amen, brother.
> >>
> >> My situation, and my plan, exactly.
> >>
> >> Not the horses (fuck that), bit everything else....maybe a
chihuahua...it
> >> won't eat the cats....
> >>
> >> Jimmy
> >>
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> news:431a3a77$1@linux...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Both (cars) are paid for, and have been for years.
> >> >
> >> > Next for me will be hybrids. No doubt about it at all. I may buy an
old
> >> > pickup truck to park next to the horse trailer to use occasionally
for
> >> short
> >> > hauls of horses and hay. That all the action it's going to see.
>
>What's happening with hydrogen fuel cells? I've searched for some, and know
a couple of manufacturers have successfully tested them. Outside of
distribution limitations, is it on the horizon?
Hybrids seem to be a stop-gap solution to me, not longterm, but I'm up for
anything that doesn't use gas at this point.
DT
On 9/4/05 3:49 AM, in article rhglh1h2iomoo2b4i1g1h686epktg49i6k@4ax.com,
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
> same here if you pay at the pump with the shut off thing. i agree
> that hybrids are the way to go but i feel they're taking the wrong
> approach. i'm no engineer but i think they should be built more along
> the line of a locomotive engine. in that the gas power plant provides
> the electricity; a smaller generator and a larger ele. motor
>
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:09:42 -0600, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>> In this area, if you prepay with a credit card, the pump shuts off at $50.00
>> and you have to reauthorize the card to keep going. I've got a Honda
>> Passport with a 21 gallon tank. I can get about 400 miles (highway) out of
>> it.. I've also got an Accord with a (I think) 12 gallon tank that I can get
>> almost 400 miles out of on the highway.
>>
>> Both are paid for and have been for years.
>>
>> Next for me will be hybrids. No doubt about it at all. I may buy an old
>> pickup truck to park next to the horse trailer to use occasionally for short
>> hauls of horses and hay. That all the action it's going to see.
>>
>>
>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:sntih154b667rqlqtlbadim0dlqs98p90b@4ax.com...
>>> for my 14 gal tank when it hits 7 bucks. but, they just dropped it
>>> .40 a gallon here yesterday so i don't know.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 01:14:35 -0400, "justcron"
>>> <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>>>
>>>> it costs $100 to fill the tank.
>>>>
>>>> how long?
>>>>
>>>
>>
>I would like to hear him address the issue of over 250 buses that weren't
put in to use for an evacuation that he ordered two days before the storm
hit. I doubt he will voluntarily bring that up.
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compounded> wrote in message
news:431afebd$1@linux...
> http://www.dextrus.com/WWL-AMInterviewNagin.mp3
>
>Of course not Deej.
The only official that was actually on the ground in NO all week.
ITS HIS FAULT
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:431b19c2@linux...
>I would like to hear him address the issue of over 250 buses that weren't
> put in to use for an evacuation that he ordered two days before the storm
> hit. I doubt he will voluntarily bring that up.
>
> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compounded> wrote in message
> news:431afebd$1@linux...
>> http://www.dextrus.com/WWL-AMInterviewNagin.mp3
>>
>>
>
>I think the discussion here, and the actual situation in New Orleans at hand
is that the levees broke, and wetlands had nothing to do with it - the Lake
just exceeded capacity - a hazard New Orleans has always faced - building a
city below sea level is a nightmare waiting to happen, unless you build
100ft high, 100ft deep concrete barriers all the way around.
Wetlands are not a sufficient barrier between a city and water, and the fact
that part of New Orleans was built on filled in marshlands doesn't help -
saturated ground, surrounded by water, below water line is prime territory
for flooding - it's only a matter of time. There were many articles and
speculation that New Orleans could not survive a major hurricane - the city
was living on borrowed time unfortunately. All the political blame in the
world won't change the fact that this disaster happened because of New
Orleans location. Blaming the government for this disaster is no more
grounded than blaming a the secretary of defense for allowing a tornado to
wipe out a farm in Kansas. Research also takes a bit of objectivity, both
scientific and political.
I'm with you guys on environmental conservation - the more the better
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| Re: Where's Mr. Simplicity????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [message #56042 is a reply to message #56041] |
Mon, 18 July 2005 12:33 |
Deej [1]
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(wetlands included), but developers hate the idea, and an expanding
population isn't conducive to it. Catch 22. I just don't buy that saving
wetlands would have done anything to save New Orleans from a hurricane.
Save cranes and other water fowl? Sure - cool. The city? Not a chance.
If only it was that easy. The real answer is convincing people not to build
houses on "sinking sand" on the doorstep of powerful ocean. Knowing human
nature, we'll never learn.
Regards,
Dedric
On 9/4/05 4:38 AM, in article 431ace9b@linux, "jason Miles"
<Jmiles45@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I just don't post because I feel like it-I research-I read the army core of
> engineer reports-The Wetlands had alot to do with the everday survival in
> N.O. There was also an amazing article in national geographic about it-Bush
> is not the most environment friendly president we've had. Then again I've
> never felt that Bush
> was really the man in charge
> JMyou are so blind Deej and everyone else that shoots the messenger. There
are plenty of cooroborative sources that say the same thing. I could have
cropped the source off and the point would be just as valid.
you bush apologists are making me sick.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:431b0c0a@linux...
>I love it when you quote the LA times. This is like having a bucket of
> biased shit from which to draw any time someone wants to *sling spin* from
> the left. Hell yes, we're in a war and it does take funding from other
> places. This cute little graph you show could likely be used to show the
> same thing done by other presidents for New Orleans or any number of other
> things. Let's create a graph to see how many times Clinton made an
> effective
> move to proactively protect this country from terrorist threats while
> we're
> at it. The graph would never show a spike. Perhaps he could get Mark Rich
> to
> donate a couple of the mone that he made brokering oil deals for Sadaam
> during the thime the UN had him under sanction.
>
> (quote from AP article in the King county Journal on Sept 1)
>
> A senior Corps commander discounted the notion the disaster could have
> been
> averted by full funding of projects such as new and beefed up levees to
> protect against hurricane surges from Lake Pontchartrain and improving
> pumping and drainage capacity in New Orleans.
>
> "These (projects) were not funded at the full ability of the Corps of
> Engineers to execute the project," said Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, commander of
> the Army Corps of Engineers. "But the important question is, 'Would that
> have made a difference?' And my assessment is, no, it would not."
>
> But Strock did acknowledge that more funding for the Southeast Louisiana
> Flood Control Project would allow the Corps to more quickly pump out the
> floodwaters inundating New Orleans.
>
> "Had we had the SELA project finished ... we could more efficiently move
> the
> water out of the system because it's a big drainage project," Strock said.
>
> Other presidents also have taken aim at the Corps' budget. President
> Carters' first veto came against a big water projects bill passed by a
> Democratic-dominated Congress. And President Clinton squeezed the Corps
> budget as well. Doing so frees money for other White House priorities.
>
> "I fought every ... administration when they tried to use the Corps of
> Engineers as a piggy bank to pay for other projects," said former House
> Appropriations Committee Chairman Bob Livingston, a Louisiana Republican
> who
> represented the New Orleans suburbs for more than 20 years. "I had major
> battles with the Clinton administration."
>
> "Going back to Carter. They've all sought to draw down the Corps of
> Engineers and put it elsewhere," he said.
>
>
>
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>
> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compounded> wrote in message
> news:431af60d@linux...
>> worst president ever
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Right now it looks like he issued an evacuation order but didn't make
available the resources he had to carry that order out, it seems.
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compounded> wrote in message
news:431b1a2d$1@linux...
> Of course not Deej.
>
> The only official that was actually on the ground in NO all week.
>
> ITS HIS FAULT
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:431b19c2@linux...
> >I would like to hear him address the issue of over 250 buses that weren't
> > put in to use for an evacuation that he ordered two days before the
storm
> > hit. I doubt he will voluntarily bring that up.
> >
> > "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compounded> wrote in message
> > news:431afebd$1@linux...
> >> http://www.dextrus.com/WWL-AMInterviewNagin.mp3
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>NO SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:431b1d9d$1@linux...
> Right now it looks like he issued an evacuation order but didn't make
> available the resources he had to carry that order out, it seems.
>
> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compounded> wrote in message
> news:431b1a2d$1@linux...
>> Of course not Deej.
>>
>> The only official that was actually on the ground in NO all week.
>>
>> ITS HIS FAULT
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:431b19c2@linux...
>> >I would like to hear him address the issue of over 250 buses that
>> >weren't
>> > put in to use for an evacuation that he ordered two days before the
> storm
>> > hit. I doubt he will voluntarily bring that up.
>> >
>> > "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compounded> wrote in message
>> > news:431afebd$1@linux...
>> >> http://www.dextrus.com/WWL-AMInterviewNagin.mp3
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>I'll be the first to call Bush's hand when I see him do something that is
totally out of line to my way of thinking rather than immediately blaming
him for things that may be the fault of others.
I don't think that everything he does is perfect by any stretch. I just
don't immediately assume that those who are automatically in *full hate
mode* have any immediate validity to their views. Listening to these folks
does nothing more than give most reasonable people pause, rather than do
anything to convince them that he has done anything like what he is accused
of doing by interest groups whose entire *raison d'etre* is to hate Bush.
This is one major reason that the Democrats lost the presidential election.
People like you and Howard Dean show up to the party dressed in your insane
clown suits and immediately anything you have to say is discounted due to
your demeanor and previous track record .........and that's a shame because
everyone should have a say. When you sound like a broken record spouting the
same old party line, your say isn't taken as seriously as it might be if it
was based on actually trying to see both sides of an issue.
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compounded> wrote in message
news:431b1c1c@linux...
> you are so blind Deej and everyone else that shoots
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ecause of New
>> Orleans location. Blaming the government for this disaster is no more
>> grounded than blaming a the secretary of defense for allowing a tornado
>> to
>> wipe out a farm in Kansas. Research also takes a bit of objectivity,
>> both
>> scientific and political.
>>
>> I'm with you guys on environmental conservation - the more the better
>> (wetlands included), but developers hate the idea, and an expanding
>> population isn't conducive to it. Catch 22. I just don't buy that
>> saving
>> wetlands would have done anything to save New Orleans from a hurricane.
>> Save cranes and other water fowl? Sure - cool. The city? Not a chance.
>> If only it was that easy. The real answer is convincing people not to
> build
>> houses on "sinking sand" on the doorstep of powerful ocean. Knowing
>> human
>> nature, we'll never learn.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 9/4/05 4:38 AM, in article 431ace9b@linux, "jason Miles"
>> <Jmiles45@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I just don't post because I feel like it-I research-I read the army
>> > core
> of
>> > engineer reports-The Wetlands had alot to do with the everday survival
> in
>> > N.O. There was also an amazing article in national geographic about
> it-Bush
>> > is not the most environment friendly president we've had. Then again
> I've
>> > never felt that Bush
>> > was really the man in charge
>> > JM
>>
>
>weak.
I haven't heard Howard Dean for months, but somehow I sound exactly like
him? Still waiting for an explaination for that one.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:431b256c@linux...
>> My thoughts have been formed the last week primarily viewing mainstream
>> network news.
>
> I rest my case.
>
> ;o)
>
> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compounded> wrote in message
> news:431b23ec@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:431b2393@linux...
>> > When
>> >> you pull Howard Dean out of your ass, really you're just exposing your
>> >> OWN
>> >> BIAS, the very thing you seem to be critisizing any
>> >> non-bush-apologists
>> >
>> > When you sound like Howard Dean, you invite the comaprison.........and
> you
>> > sound *exactly like Howard DEan. I don't give shit what label you give
>> > yourself, it's your actions that speak for themselves and you're living
> in
>> > his camp dude. If you want to hate Bush, fine. Why not try to look at
> both
>> > sides rather than letting left wing interest groups do your tinking for
>> > you?
>>
>> You're absolutely crazy Deej.
>>
>> My thoughts have been formed the last week primarily viewing mainstream
>> network news.
>>
>> You're stuck in partisan mode, and somehow you think it's rubbing off on
> me.
>>
>>
>
>Anti-Democrats (Deej, DC, anyone that mentiones Michael Moore or Howard
Dean more times than a Democrat actually hears from MM or HD)
Anti-Republicans (anyone?)
Anti-Bush (I'm running for the nomination, but I hear theres a lot of
competition)
Anti-Hillary (you know a bunch of people will be joining this party soon)
Anti-Clinton (the old party of the Anti-Democrats)There are several reports, including a National Geographic article stating
that the levees were actually decreasing the wetlands in the Miss. river
delta, which are a natural barrier to storm surges. So in effect, the
man-made attempts to prevent flooding, contributed to it. The wetlands
decrease has been happening for 100 years. This isn't a recent
environmentalist vs. the government issue - it's man's own desire to build
where he probably shouldn't that eventually caused the problem levees were
built to prevent; it is also the natural course of changing coastlines.
$25mil, or $250mil - trying to stop nature is futile, but we continue to
try, and blame governments, lobbyists or activists when we fail. We are
pretty silly creatures when you think about it.
On 9/4/05 10:48 AM, in article 431b2576@linux, "justcron"
<justcron@hydrorecords.compounded> wrote:
> hence why the Army Engineers were requesting $25mil per year because the
> levees sink every year.
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:431b251c@linux...
>> When I was living in New Orleans in the 80's there was a lot of discussion
>> about how the depletion of the water table was actually causing the city
>> to
>> sink even farther below sea level.
>>
>> The original city (the French Quarter and the area long St. Charles and
>> Carrolton known locally as *uptown*) survived this and always has survived
>> hurricanes. This is because the original founders of the city recognized
>> that they needed to build on the high ground. The surrounding suburbs are
>> drained wetlands. This whole area used to be a large dry knoll surrounded
>> by
>> something similar to the everglades.
>>
>>
>> "DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
>> news:BF40778B.40E0%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>>> I think the discussion here, and the actual situation in New Orleans at
>> hand
>>> is that the levees broke, and wetlands had nothing to do with it - the
>> Lake
>>> just exceeded capacity - a hazard New Orleans has always faced - building
>> a
>>> city below sea level is a nightmare waiting to happen, unless you build
>>> 100ft high, 100ft deep concrete barriers all the way around.
>>>
>>> Wetlands are not a sufficient barrier between a city and water, and the
>> fact
>>> that part of New Orleans was built on filled in marshlands doesn't help -
>>> saturated ground, surrounded by water, below water line is prime
>>> territory
>>> for flooding - it's only a matter of time. There were many articles and
>>> speculation that New Orleans could not survive a major hurricane - the
>> city
>>> was living on borrowed time unfortunately. All the political blame in
>>> the
>>> world won't change the fact that this disaster happened because of New
>>> Orleans location. Blaming the government for this disaster is no more
>>> grounded than blaming a the secretary of defense for allowing a tornado
>>> to
>>> wipe out a farm in Kansas. Research also takes a bit of objectivity,
>>> both
>>> scientific and political.
>>>
>>> I'm with you guys on environmental conservation - the more the better
>>> (wetlands included), but developers hate the idea, and an expanding
>>> population isn't conducive to it. Catch 22. I just don't buy that
>>> saving
>>> wetlands would have done anything to save New Orleans from a hurricane.
>>> Save cranes and other water fowl? Sure - cool. The city? Not a chance.
>>> If only it was that easy. The real answer is convincing people not to
>> build
>>> houses on "sinking sand" on the doorstep of powerful ocean. Knowing
>>> human
>>> nature, we'll never learn.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 9/4/05 4:38 AM, in article 431ace9b@linux, "jason Miles"
>>> <Jmiles45@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just don't post because I feel like it-I research-I read the army
>>>> core
>> of
>>>> engineer reports-The Wetlands had alot to do with the everday survival
>> in
>>>> N.O. There was also an amazing article in national geographic about
>> it-Bush
>>>> is not the most environment friendly president we've had. Then again
>> I've
>>>> never felt that Bush
>>>> was really the man in charge
>>>> JM
>>>
>>
>>
>
>"DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
news:BF4084C6.40F3%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
> $25mil, or $250mil - trying to stop nature is futile, but we continue to
> try, and blame governments, lobbyists or activists when we fail. We are
> pretty silly crea
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