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| Jason Miles in the new Mix Mag [message #55035] |
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of it's debt!
C'mon, man... how many people go into debt to buy something at
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Gantt Kushner
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| Re: Jason Miles in the new Mix Mag [message #55089 is a reply to message #55036] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 21:55  |
tonehouse
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; response data by emotionally manipulating the respondent.
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> Believe me, it aint the first or last time this has been done.
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> Then you get to Deej's concern where the question takes a position, which
> position, when the question is answered, is assumed to be an agreed upon
> position by both questioner and respondent when, in fact, that is not the
> case at all. How reliable is an answer to such a question and if not
> reliable, what use can it possible serve? And how reliable are the
> answers to a series of questions, of which questions it can be said, are
> readily identifiable as being unnecessarily emotionally manipulative to
> vast majority of respondents while simultaneously being presumptuous on
> key issues?
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> I would say NOT very reliable at all in terms of collective responses. My
> matrix is mostly accurate but only because I don't care if the answer to a
> series of question is repetitively "no." The answer to any question, when
> answered truthfully, does not change and, I am not inclined to emotional
> manipulation in such cases.
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> I'm with Deej on this... flawed test and therefore, almost useless for the
> collection of group data and certainly "slurry" data when it comes to <
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| Re: Jason Miles in the new Mix Mag [message #55102 is a reply to message #55100] |
Thu, 30 June 2005 12:09 |
Tom Bruhl
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cause the more dangerous
> they are, the more you must truly understand them, as opposed
> to making them a cardboard cutout of evil."Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:42d7521a$1@linux...
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> Germaine (NOT "Jackson" lol) to your post:
> For the record... I'm all for a peaceful solution; however (and
> let's now bring this over to a personal level where more people
> may be able to understand it rather than conceptualize it), if
> it's apparent that the guy on the opposite side of the ring
> from you does not want to take off his gloves, but would rather
> beat the shit out of you until you are dead, you have EXACTLY
> two choices:
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> 1.) get beaten until you are dead.
> 2.) beat the shit out of him until he is.
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> What would you do?
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> This is pretty fucking simple to me.
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> Neil
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I'm in total agreement here Neil the only problem with your scenario is,
after you've done the first guy....there are 1000 more right behind him and
half of the paying audience who came to watch this smack down is booing you
cause they think you were a little hard on his sorry ass.
This is a religious war being waged by ignorant extremists who for whatever
reason have decided we're the enemy and as we all know once you bring
religion into the mix common sense and rational behavior go right out the
window.
My few is nail the fuckers when you can find them, and make life absolutely
miserable for those who are helping them.
More shit has been done in the name of God and quite frankly I think she's a
tad pissed right about now.
Don
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> "W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote:
>>Randy Newman wrote a satire (tinyurl.com/d83pb) many years ago, the
>>tagline
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>>of which, best expresses my current view on the best solution to the
>>unceasing problem of terrorism emanating from middle east command and
>>means.... which is to say "most" terrorism.
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>>I really am there. This is THE one way to ratt out the enemy and
>>simultaneously send the message to any further suiters: "Step right up
> for
>>your one-way bullet train to Allah, no purchase necessary, see fineprint
> on
>>tip of warhead for details."
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>>The thing that put me over the edge was the piece of human waste that blew
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>>up the little kids a couple of days ago while one of our guys was handing
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>>out candy to them.
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>>Anybody brave enough to say they think the same thing or have we all cowed
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>>down to international version of the old Rodney King mantra, "Can't we all
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>>just get long." Is there some plausible notion or a reason to believe
>>that
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>>eventually, if we just keep doing what we're doing, the extremist
>>followers
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>>of Bin ladin will just all of a sudden see it our way and fold up the biz
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>>and integrate into peaceful society???
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>>Dubya Mark Wilson
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>>"Neil" <OIUIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:42d6fc20$1@linux...
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>>> In a nutshell...
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| Re: Jason Miles in the new Mix Mag [message #55103 is a reply to message #55089] |
Thu, 30 June 2005 12:43 |
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I think if there's room & resources enough for both Israelis &
>>> Palestinians in the region they want to live in, I think they
>>> should quit fighting & come up with a plan. HOWEVER... this is
>>> essentially a 3,000 year-old family feud we're looking at over
>>> there, and my point of view may be a little too simplistic to
>>> deal with the situation. I am not very familiar with the
>>> condition of the agricultural situation there, but I understand
>>> it's not the best in the world - in that case, both sides
>>> should realize that there may not be enough resources in that
>>> immediate area to provide for as many peple as want to live
>>> there... that's a problem, because you can't import everything
>>> food-wise. Israel is our ally, and we should stand by them, but
>>> I also hold the position that some kind of solution could be
>>> arrived at if both sides want peace more than war. OK, now
>>> this is the part where you rebut & tell me what a narrow-minded
>>> American I am, and how wrong my opinion is because you're
>>> Eurosuperior to me and have a much better world view because
>>> you read about cowboys & rodeos in Oklahoma & the drug problems
>>> in Miami in Der Spiegel & had a US soldier live next door to
>>> you & he was a dick, and of course, all Americans are exactly
>>> like he was.
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>>> BTW, the Israeli thing is VERY different than the situation we
>>> face with radical Islam... they do NOT want peace more than
>>> war, they only want to kill all the "infidels" and sing praise
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Gantt Kushner
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| Re: Jason Miles in the new Mix Mag [message #55104 is a reply to message #55098] |
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>> & glory to their blood-soaked god Allah, while trying to knock
>>> the rest of the world back into the 12th century, economically,
>>> societally, and politically. So, knowing this, and seeing what
>>> they've done beginning on 9/11 and continuing to this day, I
>>> think a slightly "different" approach is what's called for.
>>>
>>> Neil
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Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Jason Miles in the new Mix Mag [message #55113 is a reply to message #55106] |
Fri, 01 July 2005 03:26 |
Jason Miles
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tall and well-formed and pale of hue: and
let us <i>also</i> make monkeys, which resembleth us not in any wise,
<i>but</i> are short and ill-formed and hairy. And God added, Let
man <i>have</i> dominion over the monkeys and the fowl of the air and
every speices, endangered or otherwise. </dd>
<dt>20</dt>
<dd> So God created Man in His <i>own</i> image; tall and
well-formed and pale of hue created He him, and nothing at all like
the monkeys. </dd>
<dt>21</dt>
<dd> And God said, Behold I have given you every herb bearing
seed, which is upon the face of the earth. But ye shalt not smoketh
it, <i>lest</i> it giveth <i>you</i> ideas. </dd>
<dt>22</dt>
<dd> And to every beast of the earth and every fowl of the air
I have given also every green herb, and to them it shall be for
<i>meat.</i> But they shall be <i>for you</i>. And the Lord God your
Host suggesteth that the flesh of cattle goeth well with that of the
fin and the claw; thus shall Surf be wedded unto Turf. </dd>
<dt>23</dt>
<dd> And God saw everything he had made, and he saw that it was
very good; and God said, It <i>just</i> goes to show Me what the
private sector can accomplish. With a lot of fool regulations this
could have taken <i>billions of years.</i> </dd>
<dt>24</dt>
<dd> And the evening of the fifth day, <i>which had been</i>
the
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| Re: Jason Miles in the new Mix Mag [message #55115 is a reply to message #55113] |
Fri, 01 July 2005 06:54 |
Tom Bruhl
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again exceeding glad. But he spake once more
unto the LORD God, saying, Lo, I am free to play in the Marketplace of
the LORD, and have cheap labor in plenty; but to whom shall I sell my
surplus fruit and realize a fortune thereby? </dd>
<dt>11</dt>
<dd> And the LORD God said unto himself, Verily, this is an
Live One. </dd>
<dt>12</dt>
<dd> And he caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he took
from him one of his ribs, which was an spare rib. </dd>
<dt>13</dt>
<dd> And the spare rib which the LORD God had taken from the
man, made he woman. And he brought her unto the man, saying: </dd>
<dt>14</dt>
<dd> This is Woman and she shall purchase your fruit; and ye
shall realize a fortune thereby. For Man produceth and Woman
consumeth, wherefore she shall be called the consumer. </dd>
<dt>15</dt>
<dd> And they were both decently clad, the Man and the Woman,
from the neck even unto the ankles, so they were not ashamed.
<h2>Chapter 3</h2>
</dd>
<dt>1</dt>
<dd> Now the snake in the grass was <i>more</i> permissive than
any beast of the field which the LORD God <i>had</i> made. And he
said <i>unto</i> the woman, Why has thou accepted this lowly and
submissive <i>role</i>? For art thou not human, <i>even</i> as the
man
is human? </dd>
<dt>2</dt>
<dd>And the woman said unto the snake in the grass, the LORD God
hath ordained that I am placed under the man, and must do whatsoever
he telleth me to do; for is <i>he</i> not the Man? </dd>
<dt>3</dt>
<dd> But the snake in the grass laughed an cunning laugh, and
said unto the woman, Is it not right and just that thou shouldst
fulfill thy <i>potential?</i> For art thou not comely in thy flesh,
even as the man is comely in his flesh? </dd>
<dt>4</dt>
<dd> And the woman said, Nay, I know not, for hath not the LORD
God clad us decently, from the neck even unto the ankles; and
forbidden that we eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Sex? </dd>
<dt>5</dt>
<dd> But the snake in the grass said unto the woman, whispering
even into her very ear, saying, Whatsoever feeleth good, do thou
<i>it</i>; and believeth thou me, it feeleth <i>good</i>. </dd>
<dt>6</dt>
<dd>And when the woman saw the fruit of the Tree of the
Knowledge of Sex, that it was firm and plump and juicy, she plucked
thereof, and sank her teeth <i>therein</i>, and gave also to her
husband, <i>and</i> he likewise sank his teeth <i>therein</i>. </dd>
<dt>7</dt>
<dd>And the eyes of <i>both</i> of them were opened, and they
saw that they were not naked. </dd>
<dt>8</dt>
<dd> And the woman lossened <i>then</i> Adam's uppermost
garment, and he likewise loosened hers; and she loosened his
nethermost garment, and the man <i>then</i> loosened her nethermost
garment; until they were out of their garments both, and
<i>likewise</i> of their minds. </dd>
<dt>9</dt>
<dd> And, lo!, they did dance <i>upon</i> the grass of the
ground, and they did rock backward, and roll forward continually; </dd>
<dt>10</dt>
<dd> And as they did rock and roll, the serpent that <i>was</i>
cunning did play upon a stringed <i>instrument</i> of music, and did
smite his tail upon the ground in an hypnotic rhythm, and he did sing
<i>in a voice</i> that was like unto four voices: She loveth you,
yea,
yea, yea. </dd>
<dt>11</dt>
<dd> And they did both twist and shout, and fall into a frenzy,
both the man <i>and</i> the woman, and lay <i>themselves</i> upon the
ground, and commit there abominations. </dd>
<dt>12</dt>
<dd> And when they <i>were</i> spent from their abominations,
they did take the herb bearing seed, and did <i>roll</i> it and smoke
it; and lo! it gaveth them ideas, even as the LORD God <i>had</i>
said; and they were like <i>to commit</i> new abominations. </dd>
<dt>13</dt>
<dd> Now the LORD God was walking in the garden in the cool of
the day, with his dog; and as Adam and his wife were <i>beginning</i>
these new abominations, the LORD God did stub the toe of his
<i>foot</i> upon their hindermost quarters. </dd>
<dt>14</dt>
<dd> And the LORD God <i>waxed</i> wroth, and said unto Adam,
Wherefore art thou naked? And what is <i>that</i> thou smokest? And
why art thou not at thy <i>work</i>? For have I not said that it is
the man's part to produce, and the part of the woman to consume
whatever he produceth? </dd>
<dt>15</dt>
<dd> And Adam and his wife did look <i>upon</i> one another,
and did giggle. </dd>
<dt>16</dt>
<dd> Whereupon the LORD God waxed exceeding wroth, and he said,
Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded <i>thee</i> that thou
<i>shouldst</i> not eat? </dd>
<dt>17</dt>
<dd> And the man said, The woman <i>whom</i> you gavest to be
<i>with me</i> made me do it. </dd>
<dt>18</dt>
<dd> And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is <i>this</i>
that thou has done? And the woman said, The snake in the grass made
me do it. </dd>
<dt>19</dt>
<dd> And the snake in the grass said, The devil made <i>me</i>
do it. </dd>
<dt>20</dt>
<dd> And the LORD God said unto the snake in the grass, Thou
art an permissive <i>beast</i>; wherefore art thou cursed to crawl
upon they belly, and be <i>made into</i> belts and boots and handbags
hereafter. </dd>
<dt>21</dt>
<dd> Unto the woman He said, Since thou has harkened unto the
snake in the grass which is broad-of-mind and permissive; henceforth
let it be thy lot to be confused and <i>scattered</i> in thy brains,
and to be pla
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| OT: Where do you see the music business headed? [message #55116 is a reply to message #55113] |
Fri, 01 July 2005 07:20 |
Dedric Terry
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gued by demons who shall tempt thee to become that which
thou canst not be: such as an warrior, or an extinguisher of fires, or
an operator of heavy machinery. </dd>
<dt>22</dt>
<dd> And since thou has put aside the decent clothing wherein I
clad thee, here after no garment <i>shall</i> satisfy thee, and thou
shalt be overcome by longings to change thy raiment <i>every</i>
spring and fall. </dd>
<dt>23</dt>
<dd> And above all this, since thou hast desired to tast of the
fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Sex, now let thy <i>very</i>
body be a curse unto thee. From generation unto generation, men
<i>shalt</i> whistle and hoot after thee <i>as</i> thou passest;
yea,
and women also. </dd>
<dt>24</dt>
<dd> And unto Adam he said, Woe unto thee who hast harkened not
to the voice of the LORD thy God, but rather to her who is <i>thy</i>
inferior; for thou wast free to choose. Now shalt thou be banished
from the Marketplace and the Free Play thereof; <i>neither</i> shalt
thou pluck the fruit from the Trees of Life and Liberty and the
Pursuit of Happiness. </dd>
<dt>25</dt>
<dd> In the sweat of they face <i>shalt</i> thou earn thy
bread, and bankruptcy shall be <i>thy</i> lot; and upon thy back, as a
burden <i>unto</i> thee, thou shalt bear Big Government; for thou has
sinned. </dd>
<dt>26</dt>
<dd> And the LORD God said unto the man, Behold, thy knowledge
of sex shall be as a curse upon thee and they generations; and thy
loins shall be a trial to thee. </dd>
<dt>27</dt>
<dd> For whensoever thou goest into a public place, <i>then</i>
shall thy member rise <i>up</i>; when thou sitteth to eat and drink
among they fellows, likewise shall it rise <i>up</i>; yea, even when
thou standeth before the people to preach unto <i>them</i> in
<i>my</i> name, shall it rise <i>up</i>, and be a scandal unto thee,
and make an unseemly lump <i>in</i> thy garments; yet when thou goest
into thy wife shall thy member wither
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| Re: Jason Miles in the new Mix Mag [message #55119 is a reply to message #55113] |
Fri, 01 July 2005 08:36 |
Nappy
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my friends you are surely missing the point.
The idea that you should keep killing "them" before they kill you is is
pretty sociopathic I think. Please remember a few important things about
the "war".
Let's start with "them". The dehumanizing of others is an important
diagnostic point in the evalutation of pathological personality
disorders. Underlying this is the idea that one is not harming a
"person" but a "thing" or "non-person". It allows the ego to remain
intact while performing otherwise unthinkable actions.
But who are "them"?. For the most part they are normal, everyday
famillies like yours and mine. Shop keepers, TV reparimen, gas station
attendants, secretaries....who only want to live freely, in peace,
raising their famillies and living their lives. "They" are not, for the
most part, combatants. Or they weren't before the US got their.
The US has done more harm in this region, to the people and their
country, than Saddam ever could have. The US, in it's quest for
middle-east domination vis-a-vis their oil supply, has turned a thriving
people (albeit with nasty leadership) into an empoverished, toxic
waistland.
And for you who can't see the forest for the trees, let me make the
fairly-fucking-clear observation that if you have a natural resourse
that someone else wants and they decide to come and get it from you by
force (the Chinese could do this) You will be labeled "insurgents" and
you wives and children will suddenly become "enemy combatants". Oh,
what, if someone invades you you're gonna sit on your fat ass and let
them take you home? No, you are gonna fight them off, you nasty
terrorist scum...or so you would be labeled in the media of the nation
invading you. (quite likely in the name of God)
Wake up you collective heads of knuckle. What the hell do you think's
going on over there? It's people deffending their land, their homes and
their lives from - F
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| Re: OT: Where do you see the music business headed? [message #55129 is a reply to message #55116] |
Fri, 01 July 2005 11:55 |
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<pre wrap="">down to international version of the old Rodney King mantra, "Can't we
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<pre wrap="">and integrate into peaceful society???
Dubya Mark Wilson
"Neil" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:OIUIU@OIU.com"><OIUIU@OIU.com></a> wrote in message <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="news:42d6fc20$1@linux">news:42d6fc20$1@linux</a>...
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<pre wrap="">In a nutshell...
I think if there's room & resources enough for both Israelis &
Palestinians in the region they want to live in, I think they
should quit fighting & come up with a plan. HOWEVER... this is
essentially a 3,000 year-old family feud we're looking at over
there, and my point of view may be a little too simplistic to
deal with the situation. I am not very familiar with the
condition of the agricultural situation there, but I understand
it's not the best in the world - in that case, both sides
should realize that there may not be enough resources in that
immediate area to provide for as many peple as want to live
there... that's a problem, because you can't import everything
food-wise. Israel is our ally, and we should stand by them, but
I also hold the position that some kind of solution could be
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| Re: Jason Miles in the new Mix Mag [message #55131 is a reply to message #55125] |
Fri, 01 July 2005 12:11 |
Nappy
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y-background. from their real homecountries that they
> have travelled from. So maybe it's really understandable with their "shoot
> first, then ask" menthality that's often showing up. The real American are
> nearly nonexistencional(what a word, I don't know if it's correct written
at
> all) in America, as far as I can understand but I'm seeing Dejj have
learned
> to do some observations from them about the "new" Americans, that's just
> seems to be German, French, Scandinavian etc. etc.
> So, as far as I can understand, the only real Americans are the indians.
>
> Hmm, I'm thinking too much when doing too much observations, it can be
> dangerous when thinking so much too much:-) But never mind, I have had my
> life, but our children and grandchildren shall take over the heredity and
> environment from us in the coming world. So I mean it's well worth to do
> something for them too, so maybe they can have real trust to other nations
> too, for a better future.
>
> Erling
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>
> derek" <derekvonkrogh@gmx.net> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:42d758ac$1@linux...
> >
> > "DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote:
> >>So, do you think that Rabin had any more hope of success with these
> >>people than did Clinton or anyone else?
> >
> >
> > yes, absolutely. talk about it all as you will, rabin remains
> > the ONLY person to ever effectively reduce the terror plague down
> > there. you obviously missed the part where i stressed
> > that i do acknowledge that both approaches, both the
> > deescalation
> > one and the brute force one can lead to success.
> > thats what i wrote. nothing about cowboys or some such,
> > thats only the stuff you projected into my words, because
> > im a (insert yet another dumbass euro stereotype here).
> >
> >
> > so, yes, i do acknowledge that both roads can lead to success.
> > do you? it appears you dont, so whos the dogmatic type here?
> >
> >
> >>No it doesn't, or it would have worked with Hussein, Kim Il Sung,
> >>Hitler and the Branch Davidians. You are not allowing for insanity
> >>and evil in the world and you are assuming that a rational person's
> >>version of a more attractive situation will always be accepted.
> >
> >
> > from a palaestinian
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| Re: Jason Miles in the new Mix Mag [message #55134 is a reply to message #55131] |
Fri, 01 July 2005 13:23 |
Mike Audet
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> > have of us.
> >
> >
> >>Instead you speak of "root causes" and criticize Bush. It's wrong, and
> >>foolish.
> >
> >
> > i dont know what a "root cause" is. i know i definetly
> > didnt come here to criticize bush. i think i said so about
> > a dozen times.
> >
> >
> >
> >>I cannot support the euro position on this, because I NEVER hear
> >>any demands for change, or criticism of moslems coming from
> >>europe. Just of the jews and america. Until I see otherwise,
> >>we must stay the course.
> >
> >
> > see, one problem is that i can watch almost all US TV stations
> > and buy, read and understand almost all US press. so i can
> > regularly get an idea about whats going on in the US, and
> > germans usually are very interested in that, cause, despite
> > the current arguments, germany still looks up to the US.
> > its a bit like with an older brother you currently dont talk
> > much to, even though most germans probably would have a
> > problem in admitting that.
> >
> > on the other hand, i can tell from all the BS here that most
> > of you people have not the slightest idea about whats
> > going in germany. you talk about us not criticizing
> > muslims and not asking anything from those countries,
> > yet just as we speak theres an election campaign with
> > a debate about how to deal with turkey, and also
> > how to deal with potential islamists in our country,
> > with our current minister of internal security and
> > the guy who wants his post totally going berserk and
> > extremely to the right. and if theres a classic
> > debate in germany if ive ever seen one, its the debate
> > about whether its good that its a principal no-no to
> > openly criticize anything thats even remotely related
> > to anything jewish. there are extremists that have a problem
> > with that (they call it a sick case of non-judmentalism...sounds
> > familiar), i personally think its only adequate and should
> > stay so for at least another 50 years.
> >
> > so i dont really know what to reply to such accusations.
> > its so completely unreal, i dont know where to start.
> >
> >
> >>See, any response to terrorism besides negotiation is either
> >>"muscle flexing" or "cowboys" or "macho".
> >
> >
> > muscle flexing is what i called it, getting bored by the
> > "politics of force" terms i used the entire force.
> > "cowboys" and "macho" is yet another projection of yours.
> >
> >
> >> And you cannot
> >>see how america might see europe as so arrogant and sefl-absorbed
> >>that your views are not important to us?
> >
> >
> > thats a bit besides the point because im sure that
> > our views are not important to you either way. i do
> > get an idea about
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| Re: Jason Miles in the new Mix Mag [message #55142 is a reply to message #55134] |
Fri, 01 July 2005 16:56 |
Nappy
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lestinians and the arabs?
> >
> >
> > why yes of course it is (see above).
> >
> >
> >> An american
> >>president who did not force them to accept peace in this scenario
> >>would be voted out or even impeached.
> >
> >
> > this is not where the conflict lies. the conflict, unfortunately,
> > lies in the religious aspects. i for one am pretty sure
> > that there would have been some sort of agreement
> > down there long ago, if only all this shitty land and
> > these shitty cities werent as "sacred" as they supposedly are.
> > as i said i dont have the ultimate solution. i just dont
> > believe you have it either, and comparing the track
> > record or the different approaches down there, im inclined
> > to believe that the brute force method, which worked other
> > times, doesnt seem to work this time.
> >
> > and that is an important discussion because it also
> > is a discussion about "how do you fight a fundamentalist
> > that doesnt fear death", about "is there a way to
> > get along with the islam", about "how do you go to
> > war with something as abstract as terror". yes, i do believe
> > this is the most important conflict to be solved and that
> > it could serve as role model for the same conflict were
> > having (or going to have) on a much bigger global scale.
> >
> > im worried about that. no wait, im sitting on my euro
> > ass waiting for everything to explode first, and then
> > ill think about it, cause thats how we arrogant euro
> > assholes are? right?
> >
> > ...
> >
> >
> >>You criticize Bush, but he blasts Israel every single time they
> >>respond to terrorism as we have. What hypocrisy!
> >
> >
> > yeah, it would be if i would criticize bush for not criticizing
> > israel. of course i nowhere said that. again, youre kindly
> > invited to come up with a quote.
> >
> > or wait, maybe you misunderstood this one:
> >
> >> the US dont reign over israel - theyll
> >>>do what THEY think is best for them.
> >
> >
> > with "they" i of course mean israel. my very point was
> > that bush can criticize them all he wants (and he does),
> > but they dont respond much to that, and thats i sad irony
> > that so much of the arabic hatred towards israel comes
> > from the overestimated power the US supposedly has on
> > israel.
> >
> >
> >>So we eliminate leaders that sponsor terrorism, and provide hiding
> >>places for them, we kill them, without mercy, wherever we can find,
> >>them, and we spread modernity and democracy, and we stay at
> >>it until we win.
> >
> >
> > yes thats your approach. it sometimes worked in the
> > past, sometimes it didnt. just like deescalation.
> > theres no perfect solution that automatically is the
> > best solution at all times.
> >
> >
> >> I believe this is the only solution and that negotiation
> >>is impossible with islamofascists.
> >
> >
> > and i say youre focusing on the wrong thing, this is just not
> > enough. getting rid of islamofascists (or fascists of
> > any kind, for that matter) is one thing. brute force seems
> > the best way for that. trying to avoid that such fascists
> > gain power on a regular basis in the future is, imo, the maybe
> > even more
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| Re: Jason Miles in the new Mix Mag [message #55145 is a reply to message #55103] |
Fri, 01 July 2005 17:07 |
John [1]
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seem to recall a photo of #7 pre-collapse where you can see the
horrific damage to the facade. I'll see if I can find it.
I want to throttle these conspiracy geeks whose political hatred for
good people has foisted such time-wasting energy on the public.
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He suggests reading this report to debunk the conspiracy theories
about 911.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html ?page=5&c=y
BTW, I do not believe that any of these structural engineers would
lie and corrupt themselves to protect the gummint. They would
be called on it in a heartbeat by all the other ones.
DC"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote:
>I'm seeing exactly the same pattern in American behavings in our modern
>times as it was before the first world war. American sivilians generally
>don't know what a war is on their own body
We do now. Remember 911? Pearl Harbor? Everyone knows
someone who lost someone in either Vietnam, Korea, or WWII.
We do not have a romantic picture of war. That is a myth.
>As far as I can understand in readings and seeing, the human feelings
>haven't changed much since then in north and south, after observe what's
>happening in the last two president votings.
This is simply not the case. I am a northerner who has lived and
travelled in the south and I can tell you that no one in the north
cares about the civil war, at least as far as having personal feelings
about it, and very few in the south do. We are united. I love the
south BTW, Memphis, Nashville, New Orleans. Wonderful places.
>So maybe it's really understandable with their "shoot
>first, then ask" menthality that's often showing up.
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| Re: Jason Miles in the new Mix Mag [message #55151 is a reply to message #55145] |
Fri, 01 July 2005 17:36 |
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;>> Some people say you shouldn't catch feelings over a message board, but I
>>>> can't help it when we're talking about life and death. If anyone is
>>>> still
>>>> heated... I know I've been disrespectful probably a hundred times over
>>>> the
>>>> years... I'm sorry.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I thought it was a good discussion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>Anyway, I appreciate you following up on the conversation.
I dont think there was pods on the planes, or bombs or remote control or any
of that crap. I just think theres some type of coverup and the only
smoking gun is WTC7, and the insider trading.
Here's a better video of it:
http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/wtc7_col lapse2.mpg
Who knows, maybe I'm wrong, but I dont really see too much structural damage
to the facade.>> What the hell do I care about the palestinian's point of view?
>I'll just remind you of what you said in another thread:
>> Making anyone the devil is stupid because the more dangerous
>> they are, the more you must truly understand them, as opposed
>> to making them a cardboard cutout of evil.
So, when someone breaks into your home to kill you, do you ask
about their point of view? Try to understand them? Theorize
about their resorting to murder because they have no other options?
Nah, you'd cap 'em wouldn't you?
Now, if they want to sit down and relax, tell you about their hard
life and unfair treatment, you may become a friend and help them
out, but if they are skulking around you with a gun, they deserve
to get toasted.
You re-contextualized my comment, which was about political
leaders. It's stupid to make Bush, Clinton, Schroeder, etc into
"evil" since the truth is always more complex than that. It is with
the palestinians too, but is irrelevant as long as they are bombing
innocent people.
DCwhere do you guys find the time and desire to bang out such long
posts? i gotta stop now...fingers tired.
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:20:10 -0400, "Jef Knight" <"Jef Knight"> wrote:
>I don't know if you cats have seen this but it's pretty humourous so
>here ya go....
>
>jef
>
>
>
>Last Updated: April 5, 1994
>
>
> The Book of Creation
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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