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| Re: hmmmmm [message #61021 is a reply to message #61017] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 18:04   |
audioguy_editout_
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>>> >> >> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
>>meaning
>>> >> >there
>>> >> >> is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
>>Another
>>> >> >words,
>>> >> >> I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring
> them
>>> >all
>>> >> >> down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the
>>> >> >> same
>>> >time
>>> >> >> without doing them individually?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>>> by
>>> >> >this.
>>> >> >> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
>>> >> >> reason.
>>> >> >There
>>> >> >> may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>>> it
>>> >> out.
>>> >> >> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>>> >learning
>>> >> >> process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>>recording,
>>> >> >mixing....
>>> >> >> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
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Thanks Dave. I'll give it a try. I rarely use max zoom but maybe
more often now. Features, features, features.
Tom
"Dave(EK
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| Re: hmmmmm [message #61024 is a reply to message #61017] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 18:26 |
Jeremy Luzier
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| Re: hmmmmm [message #61027 is a reply to message #61026] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 18:59 |
Jeremy Luzier
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------=_NextPart_000_015E_01C61019.AB158960--Editing automation is easy. It's also in the manual. Basically you
turn on the display data buttons for either volume, pan or mute and then
turn on the edit data button for the same. Then you pick the tool at
the top to select, move, draw lines, freeform draw, erase. You can use
interpolate or simplify to add more values or reduce the number of
values easily. Reply if this doesn't make sense. 10 minutes in the
manual and you'll have it. I'll repost my automation notes soon for
recording automation cuz the ones on my site are wrong at the last step.
John
Ed wrote:
> The automation i
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| Re: hmmmmm [message #61031 is a reply to message #61027] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 19:16 |
Jeremy Luzier
Messages: 102
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>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power users.
>
> I
>
>>>>mainly
>>>>
>>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
>>>>
>>>>Anyway,
>>>>
>>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked the
>>>>
>>>>levels
>>>>
>>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>
> all
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>>>>
>>>>individually.
>>>>
>>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active meaning
>>>>
>>>>there
>>>>
>>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time? Another
>>>>
>>>>words,
>>>>
>>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring them
>>
>>all
>>
>>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the same
>>
>>time
>>
>>>>>without doing them individually?
>>>>>
>>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>
> by
>
>>>>this.
>>>>
>>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this reason.
>>>>
>>>>There
>>>>
>>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>
> it
>
>>>out.
>>>
>>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>>
>>learning
>>
>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic recording,
>>>>
>>>>mixing....
>>>>
>>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>I read the entire manual in the last 2 days. It's very nicely written
but a few things are not right......
Rendering Native/EDS/EQ doesn't
Compacting doesn't
Automation instructions are incorrect
Punch in Freeform instructions are incorrect
Midi .... skip it
On the other hand I learn a lot of the cool little things like using the
solo/mute buttons on the master fader clears all and you should never
move loop points or enable/disable looping during playback or recording.
John
Don Nafe wrote:
> Oh yes, the wonderful Paris Manual...live and die by it
>
> ;-)
>
> Don
>
> "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9a3c1$1@linux...
>
>>Hi Don, thanks for the offer to help. I must admit the manual is terrible
>>explaining this feature and had me confused. But I was not at the Paris
>>system
>>when I was reading it... anyway, perhaps I'll tackle that sometime in the
>>future.. for now I'll be content with plain mixes. Too bad someone didn't
>>put together a little help file on this subject. I was mainly trying to
>>adjust
>>my faders and I was adjusting them individually. I knew there was a way to
>>adjust them all at once, and I asked. Edna helped me out... thanks again.
>>
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>Editing automation is basically how I automate...very simple indeed...I'm
>>
>>>not at my machine right now so I can't give you a step by step but if
>>>you'd
>>
>>>like email me and when I get a chance (next day or so) I'll send you the
>>
>>how
>>
>>>to that I use or we can chat on the phone or via skype...much quicker
>>>
>>>don
>>>
>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9713f$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
>>>>everytime
>>>>I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't figured
>>>>out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using my
>>
>>>>Paris
>>>>since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got
>>>>into
>>>>all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I learn,
>>>>Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you use
>>
>>>>Paris
>>>>for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out
>>>>much
>>>>(not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
>>
>>and
>>
>>>>my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland system.
>>>>But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>>
>>>>files/channels
>>>>on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try the
>>
>>>>normalize
>>>>funtion... ~ Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>>>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>>>>
>>>>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
>>>>>either,
>>>>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of
>>>>>Paris.
>>>>>But its on my list.
>>>>>Edna
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was
>>
>>>>>>unsure
>>>>>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>>>>>>ago...
>>>>>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster some
>>>>>
>>>>>older
>>>>>
>>>>>>projects and songs.. and it was very t
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| Re: hmmmmm [message #61033 is a reply to message #61031] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 19:17 |
audioguy_editout_
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;linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power users.
>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>>>>mainly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyway,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
>>
>>the
>>
>>>>>>>levels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>>>>
>>>>all
>>>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>individually.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
>>>>>>>>meaning
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
>>>>>>>>Another
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>words,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring
>>>>>>>>them
>>>>>
>>>>>all
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the same
>>>>>
>>>>>time
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>without doing them individually?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>>>>
>>>>by
>>>>
>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
>>>>>>>>reason.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>>>>
>>>>it
>>>>
>>>>>>out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>>>>>
>>>>>learning
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>>>>>>>>recording,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mixing....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
>Automation Recording Procedure using the C16 Pro
1. Stop the Transport
2. NULL FADERS: Using their Null Arrow LEDs on the C16, synchronize the
Faders of the Channel strips you intend to automate with their Mixer
Window counterparts (see page 214).
3. ENABLE AUTO: Press the Auto button on the C16. The LED will begin
flashing.
4. ARM CHANNELS: Press and hold the Select button on the desired
channel(s) for about one second. The red LED will light above the
channel strip, indicating that Automation Edit is enabled for that track.
5. BEGIN WRITING AUTOMATION DATA: Begin playback, tap the Select button
on the ARMED channel(s) to write fader automation. The yellow LED will
light indicating Automation "Write Mode". Make your fader/eq/pan moves now.
6. PUNCH IN/OUT: You can punch in and out of Automation Write Mode by
tapping the Select button during playback. You do not need to enter
"Write Mode" to write Mute on or off automation. Make sure MUTE is
disabled after recording automation.
7. Continue recording automation data until the end of the Project, or
press the Stop button when you reach a point after which no further
volume or Mute-button changes are to occur.
8. To un-arm each Channel to stop the recording of automation data,
press and hold the channel's Select button for one second. The red LED
will go out.
9. To activate playback of each Channel's automation data, simply tap
the Channel's Select button after pressing the Auto button (LED
flashing) prior to playing back the Project. Press the AUTO button to
disable it and stop the flashing. Make SURE no channels are Automation
Edit enabled. The "E" button at the bottom of your Mixer window fader
indicates you are going to write automation data. The "A" indicates you
will be playing the moves back.
Enjoy.You guys on a Mac or something? CONTROL drag works every time for me, doing
.1 increments, zoom doesn't matter.
Rod
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Thanks Dave. I'll give it a try. I rarely use max zoom but maybe
>more often now. Features, features, features.
>Tom
>
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message =
>news:43ba1118@linux...
> It does work, until you get too close to "0"... there is a=20
> bug that makes the auto data snap to zero when it gets=20
> close. Try the shift thing again in the auto window... oh,=20
> BTW, you have to be at max vertical zoom for it to work.=20
> This means it will only work on values between -15 and +6?=20
> going from memory here... another "feature". ;-)
>
> David.
>
> cujo wrote:
>
> > Thanks EK, I know about all of that but I was talking about when you
=
>select
> > a whole tracks fader automation and want to put it up say .2 db =
>sometimes
> > it will only go up .5 or so. The shift drag thinkg does not seem to
=
>work
> > for me at least.
> >=20
> >=20
> > EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
> >=20
> >>Hey Cujo
> >>
> >>You *can* "shift" to get smaller values when moving the automation=20
> >>points. Also, if you click on the track number in the editor, all of
=
>
> >>that tracks auto points turn red allowing you to move them all at=20
> >>once. Further, you can "shift select" additional tracks... all 16 =
>of=20
> >>them actually, and move the whole shebang up or down.
> >>
> >>David.
> >>
> >>cujo wrote:
> >>
> >>>The automation editor is pretty cool. I only wish I could type in =
>values.
> >>>For instance on bringing an entire track with automation up by .5 =
>db.
> >>>Also, the shift/ fader for .1 db tweaks trick would be nice in the
=
>automation
> >>>editor,
> >>>Check it out though
> >>>
> >>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it =
>cause everytime
> >>>>I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't =
>figured
> >>>>out how to "edit" the automation either. F
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| Re: hmmmmm [message #61036 is a reply to message #61033] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 19:42 |
Jeremy Luzier
Messages: 102
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r? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go =
>out much
> >>>>(not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my =
>hobby
> >=20
> > and
> >=20
> >>>>my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland =
>system.
> >>>>But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit =
>single
> >=20
> > files/channels
> >=20
> >>>>on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll =
>try the
> >>>
> >>>normalize
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>funtion... ~ Ed
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could
=
>just
> >>>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor =
>yet either,
> >>>>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install =
>of Paris.
> >>>>>But its on my list.
> >>>>>Edna
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but
=
>was
> >=20
> > unsure
> >=20
> >>>>>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few =
>days ago...
> >>>>>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to =
>remix/remaster some
> >>>>>
> >>>>>older
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to =
>individually
> >=20
> > adjust
> >=20
> >>>>>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them
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> >=20
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> >=20
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an =
>unused channel
> >>>>>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. =
>This brings
> >>>>>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they =
>were,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>normalize
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>to 10.)
> >>>>>>>Edna
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message =
>news:43b952d0$1@linux...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power =
>users.
> >>>>
> >>>>I
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>mainly
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and =
>such.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Anyway,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically =
>liked the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>levels
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back =
>through
> >>>>
> >>>>all
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel =
>fader
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>individually.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
=
>meaning
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>there
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
=
>Another
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>words,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to =
>bring them
> >>>>>
> >>>>>all
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the
=
>same
> >>>>>
> >>>>>time
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>without doing them individually?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be =
>effected
> >>>>
> >>>>by
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>this.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this =
>reason.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>There
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't =
>figured
> >>>>
> >>>>it
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into =
>that
> >>>>>
> >>>>>learning
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic =
>recording,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>mixing....
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
>
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| Re: hmmmmm [message #61037 is a reply to message #61036] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 19:40 |
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gt; window... oh, <BR>BTW, you have to be at max vertical zoom for it to =
>work.=20
> <BR>This means it will only work on values between -15 and +6? =
><BR>going from=20
> memory here... another "feature". ;-)<BR><BR>David.<BR><BR>cujo=20
> wrote:<BR><BR>> Thanks EK, I know about all of that but I was =
>talking about=20
> when you select<BR>> a whole tracks fader automation and want to =
>put it up=20
> say .2 db sometimes<BR>> it will only go up .5 or so. The shift =
>drag thinkg=20
> does not seem to work<BR>> for me at least.<BR>> <BR>> =
><BR>> EK=20
> Sound <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com">spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com</A>=
>>=20
> wrote:<BR>> <BR>>>Hey Cujo<BR>>><BR>>>You *can* =
>"shift"=20
> to get smaller values when moving the automation <BR>>>points. =
>Also, if=20
> you click on the track number in the editor, all of <BR>>>that =
>tracks=20
> auto points turn red allowing you to move them all at =
><BR>>>once. =20
> Further, you can "shift select" additional tracks... all 16 of=20
> <BR>>>them actually, and move the whole shebang up or=20
> down.<BR>>><BR>>>David.<BR>>><BR>>>cujo=20
> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>>The automation editor is pretty =
>cool. I only=20
> wish I could type in values.<BR>>>>For instance on bringing =
>an entire=20
> track with automation up by .5 db.<BR>>>>Also, the shift/ =
>fader for=20
> .1 db tweaks trick would be nice in the=20
> automation<BR>>>>editor,<BR>>>>Check it out=20
> though<BR>>>><BR>>>>"Ed" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:askme@email.com">askme@email.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>>The =
>automation is a=20
> great feature, but I too stay away from it cause=20
> everytime<BR>>>>>I sit through mixing.. I end up changing=20
> things... and I haven't figured<BR>>>>>out how to "edit" =
>the=20
> automation either. Funny thing.. I been using=20
> =
>my<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris<BR>>>><BR>>>><B=
>R>>>>>since=20
> 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got=20
> into<BR>>>>>all the features... but it's on my list too..=20
> lol. By the time I learn,<BR>>>>>Paris will be =
>obsolete. Oh!=20
> it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you=20
> =
>use<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris<BR>>>><BR>>>><=
>BR>>>>>for? =20
> You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out=20
> much<BR>>>>>(not too many places to go in southern MD..=20
> lol.) So this is my hobby<BR>> <BR>> and<BR>>=20
> <BR>>>>>my little get-away. It's been fun. I =
>started=20
> out with a Roland system.<BR>>>>>But I knew I had to move =
>to a DAW=20
> since it wasn't easy to edit single<BR>> <BR>> =
>files/channels<BR>>=20
> <BR>>>>>on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... =
>Thanks=20
> again and I'll try=20
> =
>the<BR>>>><BR>>>>normalize<BR>>>><BR>>>&=
>gt;<BR>>>>>funtion... =20
> ~ Ed<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>"Edna" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:edna@texomaonline.com">edna@texomaonline.com</A>>=20
> =
>wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>>You=
>=20
> bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could =
>
> just<BR>>>>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader =
>value in=20
> the mix.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>I haven't =
>gotten in to=20
> the automation or the automation editor yet=20
> either,<BR>>>>>>except to just make sure the automation =
>worked=20
> after my install of Paris.<BR>>>>>>But its on my=20
> =
>list.<BR>>>>>>Edna<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>=
>>>"Ed"=20
> <<A href=3D"mailto:askme@email.com">askme@email.com</A>> wrote =
>in message=20
> <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:43b9652e$1@linux">news:43b9652e$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g=
>t;>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>Thanks=20
> Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but =
>was<BR>>=20
> <BR>> unsure<BR>> <BR>>>>>>>how it =
>operated. In=20
> fact, I wished I known this option a few days=20
> ago...<BR>>>>>>>would have saved me lots of =
>time. I=20
> was trying to remix/remaster=20
> =
>some<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>older<BR>>>>=
>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>projects=20
> and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually<BR>> =
><BR>>=20
> adjust<BR>> <BR>>>>>>>each channel. Thanks =
>again... =20
> =
>:)<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>=
>;>>>"Edna"=20
> <<A =
>href=3D"mailto:edna@texomaonline.com">edna@texomaonline.com</A>>=20
> =
>wrote:<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>=
>;>>>>>Yes,=20
> you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up<BR>> =
><BR>>=20
> or<BR>>=20
> =
><BR>>>>>>down.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>=
>><BR>>>>>>>>For=20
> example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused=20
> channel<BR>>>>>>>>move its fader to 10 and then =
>normalize=20
> with highest at 7. This =
>brings<BR>>>>>>>>down=20
> all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they=20
> =
>were,<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>normalize<BR>>>=
>;>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>to=20
> =
>10.)<BR>>>>>>>>Edna<BR>>>>>>>><=
>BR>>>>>>>>"Ed"=20
> <<A href=3D"mailto:askme@email.com">askme@email.com</A>> wrote =
>in message=20
> <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:43b952d0$1@linux">news:43b952d0$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g=
>t;>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>=
>;>>>Hi=20
> All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power=20
> =
>users.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>I<BR>>>>><BR>&g=
>t;>>><BR>>>>>>>>mainly<BR>>>>>&=
>gt;>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>&g=
>t;>use=20
> the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and=20
> =
>such.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>Anyw=
>ay,<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>&g=
>t;>>>>>>>I=20
> was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked=20
> =
>the<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>levels=
><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>&=
>gt;>>>>>>of=20
> one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back=20
> =
>through<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>all<BR>>>>><BR=
>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>the<BR>>>>>>&=
>gt;<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>other =
>
> songs in the other projects to bring down each channel=20
> =
>fader<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>indi=
>vidually.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>=
><BR>>>>>>>>>My=20
> question is... is there a way to control all active (active=20
> =
>meaning<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>th=
>ere<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>&g=
>t;>>>>>>>is=20
> something on the channel) channel faders at the same time? =20
> =
>Another<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>wo=
>rds,<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>&=
>gt;>>>>>>>I=20
> have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring=20
> =
>them<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>all<BR>>>>&g=
>t;><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>down=20
> a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the=20
> =
>same<BR>>>>>><BR>>
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| Re: hmmmmm [message #61038 is a reply to message #61033] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 19:52 |
Jeremy Luzier
Messages: 102
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>>>>time<BR>>>>&=
>gt;><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>withou=
>t=20
> doing them=20
> =
>individually?<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>=
>>>>Lastly,=20
> I don't have any automation set, so that won't be=20
> =
>effected<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>by<BR>>>>><BR=
>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>this.<BR>>>>>=
>;>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>=
>>>In=20
> fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this=20
> =
>reason.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>Th=
>ere<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>&g=
>t;>>>>>>>may=20
> be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't=20
> =
>figured<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>it<BR>>>>><BR>=
>>>>><BR>>>>>>>out.<BR>>>>>>&=
>gt;<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>I=20
> just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into=20
> =
>that<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>learning<BR>>>&=
>gt;>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>pr=
>ocess...=20
> lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic=20
> =
>recording,<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>=
>;mixing....<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>&g=
>t;<BR>>>>>>>>>thanks=20
> in advance... and Happy New Year=20
> =
>(2006)!<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>></=
>BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>
>Well, it doesn't work for me. Imagine a song with faders currently all over
the place for adjustment. Most are below the zero. When I select "Normalize"
from the function menu in the Mixer, it asks for the Db level (with a zero
default). I experimented on one song and I put in a -3.0. Once I hit return,
ALL my faders did move.. but they moved way UP! So that function in Paris
3.0 is not what I want. I was wanting a way to physically move one fader
and the rest of the faders follow suit. I thought there was a feature in
Paris to do that, but I guess not. Thanks for you help tho.....
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>Normalize Mix is the correct function. The Maximum DB level is what you
>will set to move the faders - this is the value your highest level fader
>will be increased to, and this amount of increase will be the amount all
>faders are changed by. As an experiment, set all your faders a 0 db. Now,
>lets say you would like to raise the entire mix by 5 db. Select Normalize
>Mix and enter 5db for the maximum db level. Now all your faders will move
>up to 5db. If this worked for you, then take one of your actual mixes you
>would like to increase. Lets say you want to move the faders all up by
3 db
>and they are all at different levels. Find the fader with the highest level
>(make sure your unused faders are below this value). Lets say it is at
2db.
>Now select Normalize Mix and set the maximum db gain at 5db (its 2db level
+
>your 3d increase). Now this fader moves up 3db to reach the max 5db value
>you chose. At the same time the other faders will move up 3db as well.
>
>If you wanted to lower the levels, just set the maximum level of the highest
>fader down by however many db you want. Lets say the 3db above was too
>much and you would like to reduce it by a db. Same procedure, just set
the
>maxumum db level to 4db. This reduces your max level fader from 5db to
>4db - a one db change for all faders.
>
>Hope this helps. I use it a lot and it works for well for me.
>Edna
>
>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9a83a$1@linux...
>>
>> Ummm... I am afraid your advice didn't work Edna. I failed to mention
>that
>> I am using Paris 3.0. I only see the "normalize mix" option in the
>Functions
>> section on the Mixer. When I select it, it wants me to adjust the total
>> mix by maximun Db. I'll have to play with it I suppose. But I could
have
>> sworn there was a way to control all faders at the same time....
>>
>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>> >Well I just got into Paris a couple months ago. Its my first DAW. I
am
>> >amazed at what all it can do. I did try out a Roland unit one time but
>> was
>> >disappointed with the sound - dead, cold, etc. I am using Paris to track
>> >vocals and synth mainly for church related things, BG tracks, CDs, etc.
>> >Also for writing my own stuff - I play kybds/sing. Used to play in
>bands.
>> >I got Paris for the sound. I prefer analog, and Paris was touted as
the
>> >nearest to that. It certainly wipes the floor with the Roland, IMHO.
And
>> I
>> >love the editing features. At the moment I am experimenting with
>mixdowns,
>> >trying to get the exported stereo files to sound as good as the original
>> mix
>> >and as loud as comm cds - when I bring the stereo wav back to the project
>> >and a/b with the original, it doesn't sound quite as open and clear.
>> >Edna
>> > "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9713f$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
>> >everytime
>> >> I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't
>figured
>> >> out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using
my
>> >Paris
>> >> since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got
>into
>> >> all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I
>learn,
>> >> Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you
use
>> >Paris
>> >> for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out
>much
>> >> (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
>> and
>> >> my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland
>system.
>> >> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>> >files/channels
>> >> on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try
the
>> >normalize
>> >> funtion... ~ Ed
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>> >> >You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>> >> >normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>> >> >
>> >> >I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
>> >either,
>> >> >except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of
>Paris.
>> >> >But its on my list.
>> >> >Edna
>> >> >
>> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but
was
>> >unsure
>> >> >> how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>> >ago...
>> >> >> would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster
>some
>> >> >older
>> >> >> projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>> >adjust
>> >> >> each channel. Thanks again... :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them
up
>> or
>> >> >down.
>> >> >> >For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
>> >channel
>> >> >> >move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
>> >brings
>> >> >> >down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>> >> >normalize
>> >> >> >to 10.)
>> >> >> >Edna
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' ea
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| Re: hmmmmm [message #61040 is a reply to message #61037] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 19:57 |
Jeremy Luzier
Messages: 102
Registered: November 2005
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Senior Member |
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cause of this
>reason.
>> >> >> >There
>> >> >> >> may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't
>figured
>> >> it
>> >> >> out.
>> >> >> >> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into
that
>> >> >learning
>> >> >> >> process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>> >recording,
>> >> >> >mixing....
>> >> >> >> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>Hey guys,
I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with assessments
on Pro Tools sound quality.
First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release Gospel
Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and ITB
(in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's elequent
editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain in
!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those same
mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30 tracks,
things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost or
they don't sit right.
However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay intacked,
and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in discussions
about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not. Opinions
varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult it was
to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
P.S
Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit floating
point mixer..
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>Yukkk,
>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and I
>have to say...I don't like it.
>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
in
>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from the
>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the full
>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled), it
>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>> I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with one.
At
>> what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>
>> If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
I'm
>> considering switching to protools.
>>
>> jef
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>
>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>
>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel has,
>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these channels
>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>>feeling
>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems seem
to
>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>You may be refering to fader "grouping". You can group faders
together in V3 which will allow all grouped faders to move in unison.
You could set one fader to "absolute" and then set the rest to
"relative"... this would work somewhat, but the level relationships do
change as you change levels.
David.
Ed wrote:
> Well, it doesn't work for me. Imagine a song with faders currently all over
> the place for adjustment. Most are below the zero. When I select "Normalize"
> from the function menu in the Mixer, it asks for the Db level (with a zero
> default). I experimented on one song and I put in a -3.0. Once I hit return,
> ALL my faders did move.. but they moved way UP! So that function in Paris
> 3.0 is not what I want. I was wanting a way to physically move one fader
> and the rest of the faders follow suit. I thought there was a feature in
> Paris to do that, but I guess not. Thanks for you help tho.....
>
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>
>>Normalize Mix is the correct function. The Maximum DB level is what you
>>will set to move the faders - this is the value your highest level fader
>>will be increased to, and this amount of increase will be the amount all
>>faders are changed by. As an experiment, set all your faders a 0 db. Now,
>>lets say you would like to raise the entire mix by 5 db. Select Normalize
>>Mix and enter 5db for the maximum db level. Now all your faders will move
>>up to 5db. If this worked for you, then take one of your actual mixes you
>>would like to increase. Lets say you want to move the faders all up by
>
> 3 db
>
>>and they are all at different levels. Find the fader with the highest level
>>(make sure your unused faders are below this value). Lets say it is at
>
> 2db.
>
>>Now select Normalize Mix and set the maximum db gain at 5db (its 2db level
>
> +
>
>>your 3d increase). Now this fader moves up 3db to reach the max 5db value
>>you chose. At the same time the other faders will move up 3db as well.
>>
>>If you wanted to lower the levels, just set the maximum level of the highest
>>fader down by however many db you want. Lets say the 3db above was too
>>much and you would like to reduce it by a db. Same procedure, just set
>
> the
>
>>maxumum db level to 4db. This reduces your max level fader from 5db to
>>4db - a one db change for all faders.
>>
>>Hope this helps. I use it a lot and it works for well for me.
>>Edna
>>
>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9a83a$1@linux...
>>
>>>Ummm... I am afraid your advice didn't work Edna. I failed to mention
>>
>>that
>>
>>>I am using Paris 3.0. I only see the "normalize mix" option in the
>>
>>Functions
>>
>>>section on the Mixer. When I select it, it wants me to adjust the total
>>>mix by maximun Db. I'll have to play with it I suppose. But I could
>
> have
>
>>>sworn there was a way to control all faders at the same time....
>>>
>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Well I just got into Paris a couple months ago. Its my first DAW. I
>
> am
>
>>>>amazed at what all it can do. I did try out a Roland unit one time but
>>>
>>>was
>>>
>>>>disappointed with the sound - dead, cold, etc. I am using Paris to track
>>>>vocals and synth mainly for church related things, BG tracks, CDs, etc.
>>>>Also for writing my own stuff - I play kybds/sing. Used to play in
>>
>>bands.
>>
>>>>I got Paris for the sound. I prefer analog, and Paris was touted as
>
> the
>
>>>>nearest to that. It certainly wipes the floor with the Roland, IMHO.
>
> And
>
>>>I
>>>
>>>>love the editing features. At the moment I am experimenting with
>>
>>mixdowns,
>>
>>>>trying to get the exported stereo files to sound as good as the original
>>>
>>>mix
>>>
>>>>and as loud as comm cds - when I bring the stereo wav back to the project
>>>>and a/b with the original, it doesn't sound quite as open and clear.
>>>>Edna
>>>> "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9713f$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
>>>>
>>>>everytime
>>>>
>>>>>I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't
>>
>>figured
>>
>>>>>out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using
>
> my
>
>>>>Paris
>>>>
>>>>>since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got
>>
>>into
>>
>>>>>all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I
>>
>>learn,
>>
>>>>>Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you
>
> use
>
>>>>Paris
>>>>
>>>>>for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out
>>
>>much
>>
>>>>>(not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland
>>
>>system.
>>
>>>>> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>>>>
>>>>files/channels
>>>>
>>>>>on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try
>
> the
>
>>>>normalize
>>>>
>>>>>funtion... ~ Ed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>>>>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
>>>>
>>>>either,
>>>>
>>>>>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of
>>
>>Paris.
>>
>>>>>>But its on my list.
>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but
>
> was
>
>>>>unsure
>>>>
>>>>>>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>>>>
>>>>ago...
>>>>
>>>>>>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster
>>
>>some
>>
>>>>>>older
>>>>&g
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| Re: hmmmmm [message #61041 is a reply to message #61040] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 20:04 |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
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t;>
>>>>>>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>>>>
>>>>adjust
>>>>
>>>>>>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them
>
> up
>
>>>or
>>>
>>>>>>down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
>>>>
>>>>channel
>>>>
>>>>>>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
>>>>
>>>>brings
>>>>
>>>>>>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>normalize
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to 10.)
>>>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power
>>
>>users.
>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>mainly
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and
>>
>>such.
>>
>>>>>>>>Anyway,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>>>>levels
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back
>>
>>through
>>
>>>>>all
>>>>>
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel
>>
>>fader
>>
>>>>>>>>individually.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
>>>>
>>>>meaning
>>>>
>>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
>>>>
>>>>Another
>>>>
>>>>>>>>words,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring
>>>
>>>them
>>>
>>>>>>all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the
>>
>>same
>>
>>>>>>time
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>without doing them individually?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be
>>
>>effected
>>
>>>>>by
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
>>
>>reason.
>>
>>>>>>>>There
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't
>>
>>figured
>>
>>>>>it
>>>>>
>>>>>>>out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into
>
> that
>
>>>>>>learning
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>>>>
>>>>recording,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>mixing....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>Does PT LE have autocompensation for plugs? How much can I get 16 I/Os
for ?
LaMont wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with assessments
> on Pro Tools sound quality.
>
> First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release Gospel
> Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and ITB
> (in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>
> At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's elequent
> editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain in
> !@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those same
> mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30 tracks,
> things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost or
> they don't sit right.
>
> However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay intacked,
> and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
>
> Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in discussions
> about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not. Opinions
> varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult it was
> to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
> RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
> as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
> Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
>
> P.S
> Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit floating
> point mixer..
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>>Yukkk,
>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and I
>
>
>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
>
> in
>
>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from the
>
>
>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the full
>
>
>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled), it
>
>
>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>
>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with one.
>
> At
>
>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>
>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>
> I'm
>
>>>considering switching to protools.
>>>
>>>jef
>>>
>>>DJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>
>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel has,
>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these channels
>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>>>feeling
>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems seem
>
> to
>
>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>Cujo,
Re your original question:
"The automation editor is pretty cool. I only wish I could type in values.
For instance on bringing an entire track with automation up by .5 db."
You can--first select the automation points you want moved (on a single track
or multiple tracks) and under "Functions" menu, it's "Change Value..." (command-E
shortcut on a Mac)
You can move values up or down (entering negative value lowers volume) by
as little as .1 db
dale
"cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>Thanks EK, I know about all of that but I was talking about when you select
>a whole tracks fader automation and want to put it up say .2 db sometimes
>it will only go up .5 or so. The shift drag thinkg does not seem to work
>for me at least.
>
>
>EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>>Hey Cujo
>>
>>You *can* "shift" to get smaller values when moving the automation
>>points. Also, if you click on the track number in the editor, all of
>>that tracks auto points turn red allowing you to move them all at
>>once. Further, you can "shift select" additional tracks... all 16 of
>>them actually, and move the whole shebang up or down.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>cujo wrote:
>>> The automation editor is pretty cool. I only wish I could type in values.
>>> For instance on bringing an entire track with automation up by .5 db.
>>> Also, the shift/ fader for .1 db tweaks trick would be nice in the automation
>>> editor,
>>> Check it out though
>>>
>>> "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
everytime
>>>>I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't figured
>>>>out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using
my
>>>
>>> Paris
>>>
>>>>since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got
into
>>>>all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I learn,
>>>>Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you use
>>>
>>> Paris
>>>
>>>>for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out
much
>>>>(not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
>and
>>>>my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland system.
>>>>But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>files/channels
>>>>on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try the
>>>
>>> normalize
>>>
>>>>funtion... ~ Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>>>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>>>>
>>>>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet either,
>>>>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of Paris.
>>>>>But its on my list.
>>>>>Edna
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was
>unsure
>>>>>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
ago...
>>>>>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster some
>>>>>
>>>>>older
>>>>>
>>>>>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>adjust
>>>>>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up
>or
>>>>>
>>>>>down.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused channel
>>>>>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
brings
>>>>>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>>>>
>>>>>normalize
>>>>>
>>>>>>>to 10.)
>>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in messa
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| Re: hmmmmm [message #61042 is a reply to message #61041] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 20:37 |
Jeremy Luzier
Messages: 102
Registered: November 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
ge news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power users.
>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>>>>mainly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyway,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>levels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>>>>
>>>>all
>>>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>individually.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active meaning
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time? Another
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>words,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring them
>>>>>
>>>>>all
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the same
>>>>>
>>>>>time
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>without doing them individually?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>>>>
>>>>by
>>>>
>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this reason.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>>>>
>>>>it
>>>>
>>>>>>out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>>>>>
>>>>>learning
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic recording,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mixing....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>Hey John,
I don't really know if LE has PDC, HD does. You can get 16 i/os in LE with
the Follwoing Products:
-Digi 002(Rack)or not
-M-Audio Project Mix I/O
-FireWire 1814
All of the above units have a additional Adat ports. That way you can add
8 channels of I/O of your choice.
LaMont
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>Does PT LE have autocompensation for plugs? How much can I get 16 I/Os
>for ?
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with assessments
>> on Pro Tools sound quality.
>>
>> First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
Gospel
>> Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and
ITB
>> (in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>>
>> At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's elequent
>> editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain
in
>> !@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
same
>> mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30
tracks,
>> things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
or
>> they don't sit right.
>>
>> However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay intacked,
>> and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
>>
>> Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in discussions
>> about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not. Opinions
>> varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult it
was
>> to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o
converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>> RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
>> as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
>> Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
>>
>> P.S
>> Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
floating
>> point mixer..
>>
>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>>Yukkk,
>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
I
>>
>>
>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
>>
>> in
>>
>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
the
>>
>>
>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
full
>>
>>
>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
it
>>
>>
>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>>--
>>>Martin Harrington
>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>
>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with one.
>>
>> At
>>
>>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>>
>>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>>
>> I'm
>>
>>>>considering switching to protools.
>>>>
>>>>jef
>>>>
>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel has,
>>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these channels
>>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>>>>feeling
>>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems seem
>>
>> to
>>
>>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Ed, to do the normalize thing, you first have to move 1 fader all the way
up to 10 (assuming you want to normalize down)it's best to use an empty channel
for this. Then, under normalize, enter the amount you want that fader to
go to. example, if yo want the mix 3 db down, enter 7. I guarantee it will
work.
You need to do this for each submix.
Rod
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>Well, it doesn't work for me. Imagine a song with faders currently all
over
>the place for adjustment. Most are below the zero. When I select "Normalize"
>from the function menu in the Mixer, it asks for the Db level (with a zero
>default). I experimented on one song and I put in a -3.0. Once I hit return,
>ALL my faders did move.. but they moved way UP! So that function in Paris
>3.0 is not what I want. I was wanting a way to physically move one fader
>and the rest of the faders follow suit. I thought there was a feature in
>Paris to do that, but I guess not. Thanks for you help tho.....
>
>
>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>Normalize Mix is the correct function. The Maximum DB level is what you
>>will set to move the faders - this is the value your highest level fader
>>will be increased to, and this amount of increase will be the amount all
>>faders are changed by. As an experiment, set all your faders a 0 db.
Now,
>>lets say you would like to raise the entire mix by 5 db. Select Normalize
>>Mix and enter 5db for the maximum db level. Now all your faders will move
>>up to 5db. If this worked for you, then take one of your actual mixes
you
>>would like to increase. Lets say you want to move the faders all up by
>3 db
>>and they are all at different levels. Find the fader with the highest
level
>>(make sure your unused faders are below this value). Lets say it is at
>2db.
>>Now select Normalize Mix and set the maximum db gain at 5db (its 2db level
>+
>>your 3d increase). Now this fader moves up 3db to reach the max 5db value
>>you chose. At the same time the other faders will move up 3db as well.
>>
>>If you wanted to lower the levels, just set the maximum level of the highest
>>fader down by however many db you want. Lets say the 3db above was too
>>much and you would like to reduce it by a db. Same procedure, just set
>the
>>maxumum db level to 4db. This reduces your max level fader from 5db to
>>4db - a one db change for all faders.
>>
>>Hope this helps. I use it a lot and it works for well for me.
>>Edna
>>
>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9a83a$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Ummm... I am afraid your advice didn't work Edna. I failed to mention
>>that
>>> I am using Paris 3.0. I only see the "normalize mix" option in the
>>Functions
>>> section on the Mixer. When I select it, it wants me to adjust the total
>>> mix by maximun Db. I'll have to play with it I suppose. But I could
>have
>>> sworn there was a way to control all faders at the same time....
>>>
>>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>> >Well I just got into Paris a couple months ago. Its my first DAW.
I
>am
>>> >amazed at what all it can do. I did try out a Roland unit one time
but
>>> was
>>> >disappointed with the sound - dead, cold, etc. I am using Paris to
track
>>> >vocals and synth mainly for church related things, BG tracks, CDs, etc.
>>> >Also for writing my own stuff - I play kybds/sing. Used to play in
>>bands.
>>> >I got Paris for the sound. I prefer analog, and Paris was touted as
>the
>>> >nearest to that. It certainly wipes the floor with the Roland, IMHO.
> And
>>> I
>>> >love the editing features. At the moment I am experimenting with
>>mixdowns,
>>> >trying to get the exported stereo files to sound as good as the original
>>> mix
>>> >and as loud as comm cds - when I bring the stereo wav back to the project
>>> >and a/b with the original, it doesn't sound quite as open and clear.
>>> >Edna
>>> > "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9713f$1@linux...
>>> >>
>>> >> The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
>>> >everytime
>>> >> I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't
>>figured
>>> >> out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using
>my
>>> >Paris
>>> >> since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got
>>into
>>> >> all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I
>>learn,
>>> >> Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you
>use
>>> >Paris
>>> >> for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out
>>much
>>> >> (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
>>> and
>>> >> my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland
>>system.
>>> >> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>>> >files/channels
>>> >> on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try
>the
>>> >normalize
>>> >> funtion... ~ Ed
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>> >> >You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could
just
>>> >> >normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
>>> >either,
>>> >> >except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of
>>Paris.
>>> >> >But its on my list.
>>> >> >Edna
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but
>was
>>> >unsure
>>> >> >> how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>>> >ago...
>>> >> >> would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster
>>some
>>> >> >older
>>> >> >> projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>>> >adjust
>>> >> >> each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them
>up
>>> or
>>> >> >down.
>>> >> >> >For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
>>> >channel
>>> >> >> >move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
>>> >brings
>>> >> >> >down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>> >> >normalize
>>> >> >> >to 10.)
>>> >> >> >Edna
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power
>>users.
>>> >> I
>>> >> >> >mainly
>>> >&g
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| Re: hmmmmm [message #61043 is a reply to message #61042] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 20:50 |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
t; >> >> use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and
>>such.
>>> >> >> >Anyway,
>>> >> >> >> I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
>>> the
>>> >> >> >levels
>>> >> >> >> of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back
>>through
>>> >> all
>>> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel
>>fader
>>> >> >> >individually.
>>> >> >> >> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
>>> >meaning
>>> >> >> >there
>>> >> >> >> is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
>>> >Another
>>> >> >> >words,
>>> >> >> >> I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring
>>> them
>>> >> >all
>>> >> >> >> down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the
>>same
>>> >> >time
>>> >> >> >> without doing them individually?
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be
>>effected
>>> >> by
>>> >> >> >this.
>>> >> >> >> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
>>reason.
>>> >> >> >There
>>> >> >> >> may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't
>>figured
>>> >> it
>>> >> >> out.
>>> >> >> >> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into
>that
>>> >> >learning
>>> >> >> >> process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>>> >recording,
>>> >> >> >mixing....
>>> >> >> >> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>But how much money is it? And can it use VSTs ?
LaMont wrote:
> Hey John,
>
> I don't really know if LE has PDC, HD does. You can get 16 i/os in LE with
> the Follwoing Products:
>
> -Digi 002(Rack)or not
> -M-Audio Project Mix I/O
> -FireWire 1814
>
> All of the above units have a additional Adat ports. That way you can add
> 8 channels of I/O of your choice.
> LaMont
>
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>>Does PT LE have autocompensation for plugs? How much can I get 16 I/Os
>
>
>>for ?
>>
>>LaMont wrote:
>>
>>>Hey guys,
>>>
>>>I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with assessments
>>>on Pro Tools sound quality.
>>>
>>>First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
>
> Gospel
>
>>>Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and
>
> ITB
>
>>>(in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>>>
>>>At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's elequent
>>>editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain
>
> in
>
>>>!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
>
> same
>
>>>mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30
>
> tracks,
>
>>>things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
>
> or
>
>>>they don't sit right.
>>>
>>>However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay intacked,
>>>and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
>>>
>>>Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in discussions
>>>about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not. Opinions
>>>varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult it
>
> was
>
>>>to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o
>
> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>
>>>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
>>>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
>>>Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
>>>
>>>P.S
>>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
>
> floating
>
>>>point mixer..
>>>
>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yukkk,
>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
>
> I
>
>>>
>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
>
> the
>
>>>
>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
>
> full
>
>>>
>>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
>
> it
>
>>>
>>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>>>--
>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>
>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>
>
>>>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with one.
>>>
>>>At
>>>
>>>
>>>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>>>
>>>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>>>
>>>I'm
>>>
>>>
>>>>>considering switching to protools.
>>>>>
>>>>>jef
>>>>>
>>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel has,
>>>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these channels
>>>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>
>
>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems seem
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>I agree that the new HD systems sound good and I always thought that the LE
systems sounded better than the TDM systems. The PT environment has come a
long way, for sure. As for 32 bit float native systems, I've yet to do a
complete mix in Cubase SX. I still stream my tracks over a digital matrix
into Paris for summing. I'm hoping to take this to a new level in some
respects now that I've got a dual core processior system for my SX rig. Stay
tuned for the details.
Happy new year LaMont ;o)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:43bab6aa$1@linux...
>
> Hey John,
>
> I don't really know if LE has PDC, HD does. You can get 16 i/os in LE with
> the Follwoing Products:
>
> -Digi 002(Rack)or not
> -M-Audio Project Mix I/O
> -FireWire 1814
>
> All of the above units have a additional Adat ports. That way you can add
> 8 channels of I/O of your choice.
> LaMont
>
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
> >Does PT LE have autocompensation for plugs? How much can I get 16 I/Os
>
> >for ?
> >
> >LaMont wrote:
> >> Hey guys,
> >>
> >> I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with
assessments
> >> on Pro Tools sound quality.
> >>
> >> First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
> Gospel
> >> Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and
> ITB
> >> (in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
> >>
> >> At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's
elequent
> >> editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain
> in
> >> !@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
> same
> >> mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30
> tracks,
> >> things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
> or
> >> they don't sit right.
> >>
> >> However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay
intacked,
> >> and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in
Paris..
> >>
> >> Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in
discussions
> >> about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not.
Opinions
> >> varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult it
> was
> >> to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o
> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
> >> RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in
SX/Nuendo..Where
> >> as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
> >> Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
> >>
> >> P.S
> >> Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
> floating
> >> point mixer..
> >>
> >> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Yukkk,
> >>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
> >>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
> I
> >>
> >>
> >>>have to say...I don't like it.
> >>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
> >>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are
tiresome
> >>
> >> in
> >>
> >>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
> the
> >>
> >>
> >>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
> >>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
> full
> >>
> >>
> >>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
> >>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
> it
> >>
> >>
> >>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
> >>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
> >>>--
> >>>Martin Harrington
> >>>www.lendanear-sound.com
> >>>
> >>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>
> >>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
> >>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with
one.
> >>
> >> At
> >>
> >>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
> >>>>
> >>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
> >>
> >> I'm
> >>
> >>>>considering switching to protools.
> >>>>
> >>>>jef
> >>>>
> >>>>DJ wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
> >>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel
has,
> >>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these
channels
> >>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>
> >>>>>feeling
> >>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems
seem
> >>
> >> to
> >>
> >>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43baa442$1@linux...
>
> Well, it doesn't work for me. Imagine a song with faders currently all
over
> the place for adjustment. Most are below the zero. When I select
"Normalize"
> from the function menu in the Mixer, it asks for the Db level (with a zero
> default).
It moves the faders relative to the fader you have with the greatest value.
The other faders will move the same relative amount.
I experimented on one song and I put in a -3.0. Once I hit return,
> ALL my faders did move.. but they moved way UP!
For your faders to have moved up by 3db means that your maximum value fader
must have been at -6db (unless you have fader grouping set up, make sure it
is off).
So that function in Paris
> 3.0 is not what I want. I was wanting a way to physically move one fader
> and the rest of the faders follow suit.
Sorry, I guess I misunderstood. For "physical" locking you can use fader
grouping function. In, mixer select Settings and Show Groupings. A new
section will pop up below the EQs where you can select the channels to group
together. Then select Relative. Do this for each channel of interest. Now
the group will all move "physically" together. (The normalize mix function
doesn't seem to be predictable when used with grouping ?)
thought there was a feature in
> Paris to do that, but I guess not. Thanks for you help tho.....
>
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >Normalize Mix is the correct function. The Maximum DB level is what you
> >will set to move the faders - this is the value your highest level fader
> >will be increased to, and this amount of increase will be the amount all
> >faders are changed by. As an experiment, set all your faders a 0 db.
Now,
> >lets say you would like to raise the entire mix by 5 db. Select
Normalize
> >Mix and enter 5db for the maximum db level. Now all your faders will
move
> >up to 5db. If this worked for you, then take one of your actual mixes
you
> >would like to increase. Lets say you want to move the faders all up by
> 3 db
> >and they are all at different levels. Find the fader with the highest
level
> >(make sure your unused faders are below this value). Lets say it is at
> 2db.
> >Now select Normalize Mix and set the maximum db gain at 5db (its 2db
level
> +
> >your 3d increase). Now this fader moves up 3db to reach the max 5db
value
> >you chose. At the same time the other faders will move up 3db as well.
> >
> >If you wanted to lower the levels, just set the maximum level of the
highest
> >fader down by however many db you want. Lets say the 3db above was too
> >much and you would like to reduce it by a db. Same procedure, just set
> the
> >maxumum db level to 4db. This reduces your max level fader from 5db to
> >4db - a one db change for all faders.
> >
> >Hope this helps. I use it a lot and it works for well for me.
> >Edna
> >
> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9a83a$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Ummm... I am afraid your advice didn't work Edna. I failed to mention
> >that
> >> I am using Paris 3.0. I only see the "normalize mix" option in the
> >Functions
> >> section on the Mixer. When I select it, it wants me to adjust the
total
> >> mix by maximun Db. I'll have to play with it I suppose. But I could
> have
> >> sworn there was a way to control all faders at the same time....
> >>
> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >> >Well I just got into Paris a couple months ago. Its my first DAW. I
> am
> >> >amazed at what all it can do. I did try out a Roland unit one time
but
> >> was
> >> >disappointed with the sound - dead, cold, etc. I am using Paris to
track
> >> >vocals and synth mainly for church related things, BG tracks, CDs,
etc.
> >> >Also for writing my own stuff - I play kybds/sing. Used to play in
> >bands.
> >> >I got Paris for the sound. I prefer analog, and Paris was touted as
> the
> >> >nearest to that. It certainly wipes the floor with the Roland, IMHO.
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Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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to bring down each channel
> >fader
> >> >> >> >individually.
> >> >> >> >> My question is... is there a way to control all active
(active
> >> >meaning
> >> >> >> >there
> >> >> >> >> is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
> >> >Another
> >> >> >> >words,
> >> >> >> >> I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to
bring
> >> them
> >> >> >all
> >> >> >> >> down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the
> >same
> >> >> >time
> >> >> >> >> without doing them individually?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be
> >effected
> >> >> by
> >> >> >> >this.
> >> >> >> >> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
> >reason.
> >> >> >> >There
> >> >> >> >> may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't
> >figured
> >> >> it
> >> >> >> out.
> >> >> >> >> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into
> that
> >> >> >learning
> >> >> >> >> process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
> >> >recording,
> >> >> >> >mixing....
> >> >> >> >> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
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John,
I've been a Control E user for years.
Tom
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Editing automation is easy. It's also in the manual. Basically you=20
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manual and you'll have it. I'll repost my automation notes soon for=20
recording automation cuz the ones on my site are wrong at the last =
step.
John
Ed wrote:
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> > out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been
> using my Paris
> > since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never
> got into
> > all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I
> learn,
> > Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do
> you use Paris
> > for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go
> out much
> > (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my
> hobby and
> > my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland
> system.
> > But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit
> single files/channels
> > on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll
> try the normalize
> > funtion... ~ Ed
> >
> >
> > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com <mailto:edna@texomaonline.com>> wrote:
> >
> >>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
> >>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
> >>
> >>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor
> yet either,
> >>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install
> of Paris.
> >>But its on my list.
> >>Edna
> >>
> >>"Ed" <askme@email.com <mailto:askme@email.com>> wrote in message
> news:43b9652e$1@linux...
> >>
> >>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but
> was unsure
> >>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few
> days ago...
> >>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to
> remix/remaster some
> >>
> >>older
> >>
> >>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to
> individually adjust
> >>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com <mailto:edna@texomaonline.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them
> up or
> >>
> >>down.
> >>
> >>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an
> unused channel
> >>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7.
> This brings
> >>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
> >>
> >>normalize
> >>
> >>>>to 10.)
> >>>>Edna
> >>>>
> >>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com <mailto:askme@email.com>> wrote in
> message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power
> users.
> >
> > I
> >
> >>>>mainly
> >>>>
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D does. You can get 16 i/os in LE
with
>> the Follwoing Products:
>>
>> -Digi 002(Rack)or not
>> -M-Audio Project Mix I/O
>> -FireWire 1814
>>
>> All of the above units have a additional Adat ports. That way you can
add
>> 8 channels of I/O of your choice.
>> LaMont
>>
>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>> >Does PT LE have autocompensation for plugs? How much can I get 16 I/Os
>>
>> >for ?
>> >
>> >LaMont wrote:
>> >> Hey guys,
>> >>
>> >> I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with
>assessments
>> >> on Pro Tools sound quality.
>> >>
>> >> First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
>> Gospel
>> >> Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and
>> ITB
>> >> (in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>> >>
>> >> At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's
>elequent
>> >> editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major
pain
>> in
>> >> !@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
>> same
>> >> mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after
30
>> tracks,
>> >> things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
>> or
>> >> they don't sit right.
>> >>
>> >> However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay
>intacked,
>> >> and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in
>Paris..
>> >>
>> >> Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in
>discussions
>> >> about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not.
>Opinions
>> >> varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult
it
>> was
>> >> to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what
i/o
>> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>> >> RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in
>SX/Nuendo..Where
>> >> as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
>> >> Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
>> >>
>> >> P.S
>> >> Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
>> floating
>> >> point mixer..
>> >>
>> >> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Yukkk,
>> >>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>> >>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010,
and
>> I
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>have to say...I don't like it.
>> >>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>> >>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are
>tiresome
>> >>
>> >> in
>> >>
>> >>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
>> the
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>> >>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
>> full
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>> >>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
>> it
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>> >>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>> >>>--
>> >>>Martin Harrington
>> >>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>> >>>
>> >>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>> >>>
>> >>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>>
>> >>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>> >>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with
>one.
>> >>
>> >> At
>> >>
>> >>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>> >>
>> >> I'm
>> >>
>> >>>>considering switching to protools.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>jef
>> >>>>
>> >>>>DJ wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>> >>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel
>has,
>> >>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these
>channels
>> >>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>
>> >>>>>feeling
>> >>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems
>seem
>> >>
>> >> to
>> >>
>> >>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
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Hey John,
In the Automation Editor select track/tracks to be gain changed.
Hit 'Control e' and a dialog will ask for a gain raise-lower amount.
It can be typed in in decimals + or -. If you want 1.7 db higher
type 1.7. If you want 2.5 lower type -2.5. All selected automated
levels will change. Fairly simple compared to magnifying the screen.
Rod prefers Control Drag which I am not accustomed to but will try
it tonight to learn a new trick.
Tom
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43bad80b@linux...
I just learned Ctrl-R (Set Record Path, cuz it seems to love to have =
it=20
set regularly).
Tom Bruhl wrote:
> John,
> I've been a Control E user for years.
> Tom
> =20
>=20
> "John" <no@no.com <mailto:no@no.com>> wrote in message
> news:43ba69b5@linux...
> Editing automation is easy. It's also in the manual. Basically =
you
> turn on the display data buttons for either volume, pan or mute =
and
> then
> turn on the edit data button for the same. Then you pick the =
tool at
> the top to select, move, draw lines, freeform draw, erase. You =
can use
> interpolate or simplify to add more values or reduce the number =
of
> values easily. Reply if this doesn't make sense. 10 minutes in =
the
> manual and you'll have it. I'll repost my automation notes soon =
for
> recording automation cuz the ones on my site are wrong at the =
last step.
>=20
> John
>=20
> Ed wrote:
> > The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from =
it
> cause everytime
> > I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I =
haven't
> figured
> > out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I =
been
> using my Paris
> > since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I =
never
> got into
> > all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the =
time I
> learn,
> > Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what =
do
> you use Paris
> > for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't =
go
> out much
> > (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is =
my
> hobby and
> > my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a =
Roland
> system.
> > But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to =
edit
> single files/channels
> > on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and =
I'll
> try the normalize
> > funtion... ~ Ed
> >
> >
> > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com <mailto:edna@texomaonline.com>> =
wrote:
> >
> >>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You =
could just
> >>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
> >>
> >>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation =
editor
> yet either,
> >>except to just make sure the automation worked after my =
install
> of Paris.
> >>But its on my list.
> >>Edna
> >>
> >>"Ed" <askme@email.com <mailto:askme@email.com>> wrote in =
message
> news:43b9652e$1@linux...
> >>
> >>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, =
but
> was unsure
> >>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a =
few
> days ago...
> >>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to
> remix/remaster some
> >>
> >>older
> >>
> >>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to
> individually adjust
> >>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com =
<mailto:edna@texomaonline.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring =
them
> up or
> >>
> >>down.
> >>
> >>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an
> unused channel
> >>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. =
> This brings
> >>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they =
were,
> >>
> >>normalize
> >>
> >>>>to 10.)
> >>>>Edna
> >>>>
> >>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com <mailto:askme@email.com>> wrote in
> message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris =
power
> users.
> >
> > I
> >
> >>>>mainly
> >>>>
> >>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) =
and such.
> >>>>
> >>>>Anyway,
> >>>>
> >>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically
> liked the
> >>>>
> >>>>levels
> >>>>
> >>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back =
through
> >
> > all
> >
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each =
channel fader
> >>>>
> >>>>individually.
> >>>>
> >>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active
> (active meaning
> >>>>
> >>>>there
> >>>>
> >>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same =
time?=20
> Another
> >>>>
> >>>>words,
> >>>>
> >>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to
> bring them
> >>
> >>all
> >>
> >>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at =
the
> same
> >>
> >>time
> >>
> >>>>>without doing them individually?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be =
effected
> >
> > by
> >
> >>>>this.
> >>>>
> >>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of =
this
> reason.
> >>>>
> >>>>There
> >>>>
> >>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't =
figured
> >
> > it
> >
> >>>out.
> >>>
> >>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve =
into that
> >>
> >>learning
> >>
> >>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for =
basic
> recording,
> >>>>
> >>>>mixing....
> >>>>
> >>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
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-. If you=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>type 1.7. If you want 2.5 lower =
type=20
-2.5. All selected automated</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>levels will change. Fairly=20
simple compared to magnifying the screen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rod prefers Control Drag which I am not =
accustomed=20
to but will try</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>it tonight to learn a new =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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learned=20
Ctrl-R (Set Record Path, cuz it seems to love to have it <BR>set =
regularly).<BR><BR>Tom Bruhl wrote:<BR>> John,<BR>> I've been a =
Control=20
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<BR>> "John" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:no@no.com">no@no.com</A> <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:no@no.com">mailto:no@no.com</A>>> wrote in=20
message<BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:43ba69b5@linux">news:43ba69b5@linux</A>...<BR>> &nbs=
p; =20
Editing automation is easy. It's also in the manual. =
Basically=20
you<BR>> turn on the display data buttons =
for=20
either volume, pan or mute and<BR>> =20
then<BR>> turn on the edit data button for =
the=20
same. Then you pick the tool at<BR>> =
the top=20
to select, move, draw lines, freeform draw, erase. You can=20
use<BR>> interpolate or simplify to add =
more values=20
or reduce the number of<BR>> values =
easily. =20
Reply if this doesn't make sense. 10 minutes in=20
the<BR>> manual and you'll have it. =
I'll=20
repost my automation notes soon for<BR>> =
recording=20
automation cuz the ones on my site are wrong at the last step.<BR>> =
<BR>> John<BR>> =
<BR>> =20
Ed wrote:<BR>> > The automation is =
a great=20
feature, but I too stay away from it<BR>> =
cause=20
everytime<BR>> > I sit through =
mixing.. I=20
end up changing things... and I =
haven't<BR>> =20
figured<BR>> > out how to "edit" =
the=20
automation either. Funny thing.. I =
been<BR>> =20
using my Paris<BR>> > since 2001 =
and I=20
just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I=20
never<BR>> got=20
into<BR>> > all the features... =
but it's=20
on my list too.. lol. By the time =
I<BR>> =20
learn,<BR>> > Paris will be =
obsolete. Oh!=20
it IS obsolete... lol. So, what =
do<BR>> you=20
use Paris<BR>> > for? You =
got a=20
band, or just play with it, like me? I don't=20
go<BR>> out=20
much<BR>> > (not too many places =
to go in=20
southern MD.. lol.) So this is =
my<BR>> hobby=20
and<BR>> > my little =
get-away. It's=20
been fun. I started out with a =
Roland<BR>> =20
system.<BR>> > But I knew I =
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>>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
>>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
>>>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
>>>
>>>full
>>>
>>>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
>
> it
>
>>>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>>>>--
>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>
>>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>>>
>>>>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with
>>
>>one.
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>>>>At
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