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| Re: Boston area Parisians [message #71478 is a reply to message #71466] |
Sat, 19 August 2006 23:53   |
Tom Bruhl
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> > >> in
> > >>>> many
> > >>>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> conservative Islamic countries of the world. I know, have
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> talked
> > >>>>>> to,
> > >>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> have heard missionaries to these countries speak - it's a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> different
> > >>>>>>>> world
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> from the free discussions and widely varying opinions we
have
> > >> here.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> People
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> die for converting to anything else, or their families do.
> At
> > >> best,
> > >>>>>>>> their
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> families disown them and they sneak out of the country
under
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> threat
> > >>>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> death. In fact it's the exact opposite of the "freedom" our
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> country
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> continually pushes the limits of. Odd that we would turn
on
> our
> > >>>> own
> > >>>>>>>>>>> country
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> in favor of supporting, or at least turning a blind eye to
> this
> > >>>> kind
> > >>>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ideology, somehow believing that is the more politically
> correct
> > >>>> thing
> > >>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> do.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The problem I see isn't religion, but a lack of faith in
God,
> > >> and
> > >>>>>> hence
> > >>>>>>>>>>> any
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> sense of direction and moral guidance. God gives us the
> choice
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>>> believe
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> or not. Based on documents of their activities - in the
name
> > >> of
> > >>>> Allah
> > >>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 9/11 terrorists pretty much broke every one of the 10
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> commandments
> > >>>>>> in
> > >>>>>>>> 24
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> hours. That may seem a trivial or even silly fact, but
there
> > >> is
> > >>>> a
> > >>>>>> sad,
> > >>>>>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> frightening irony there. Faith in God isn't what one
should
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> fear
> > >>>>>> -
> > >>>>>>>> it's
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> believing in anything that conveniently appeases one's
> personal
> > >>>> whims
> > >>>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> is the true danger.... the terrorists proved that in one
day.
> > >> That
> > >>>>>>>> also
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> includes believing in nothing.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> As Blaise Pascal once said (paraphrased): if one believes
in
> God
> > >>>> and
> > >>>>>>>> is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrong, at worst one has lived a good live and had some
false
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> hope
> > >>>>>> as
> > >>>>>>>> a
> > >>>>>>>>>>> sense
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> of comfort along the way; if one doesn't believe and is
> wrong,
> > >>>> then
> > >>>>>>>> at
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> best, all is lost for eternity. This is the paradox that
we
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> should
> > >>>>>>>> be
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> considering, and yet the most fear-inducing thought is that
> the
> > >>>> President
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> might believe in something other than nothing. Is no
belief
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> really
> > >>>>>>>> better
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> than belief? What reference point for right and wrong
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> accompanies
> > >>>>>>>>>>> disbelief
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> in anything higher than one's own decisions? What
reference
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> point
> > >>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> respect for other people's beliefs accompanies a lack of
> belief
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>>> any
> > >>>>>>
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| Re: Boston area Parisians [message #71485 is a reply to message #71478] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 05:01 |
Cujjo
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ref="mailto:spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com" target="_blank">spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
news:450fee2f$1@linux...
>
> Remember when Willie pulled off to the side of the road a couple of years
> back 'cause he had a bit too much to smoke and decided to sleep it off?
> The state trooper that busted him confiscated a half a joint from his
ashtray,
> and asked "do you have any more of this Mr. Nelson?". Willie's reply was
> "Officer, that's all you'll need...". :)
>
> Willie said in an interview that he had smoked pot every day if his life
> since 1956, with the exception of three months when he was preparing to
test
> for his black belt. DJ--I was at his house a couple of times back in that
> ere also, and he always had a salad bowl full of buds on the table...
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> > http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,23663,20437931- 10388,00.html
> >
> >I was present at a few recording sessions with Willie & friends back in
> the
> >early/mid 80's. I thought we smoked up all of the pot on earth then and
> >there wasn't any left. I've still got a hangover from one of those
> >sessions.........
> >
> >As stupid as this was, the stupidity is likely a result of haviung smoked
> so
> >much pot so maybe he can plead insanity. I hope he doesn't do
time......and
> >he very possibly cound
> >
> >
> >
>Always freeze any surpluses one might, um, come across in one's, um,
travels.
That goes for meat, liquor, extra pasta sauces, produce, etc.
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4510560c$1@linux...
> There was once a discussion about keeping that bowl in the refrigerator
> covered with cellophane to insure the freshenss of the produce. That was
> back around the time that Willie was in trouble with the IRS and for about
5
> minutes, money was tight.
>
> ;o)
>
> "John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
> news:450fee2f$1@linux...
> >
> > Remember when Willie pulled off to the side of the road a couple of
years
> > back 'cause he had a bit too much to smoke and decided to sleep it off?
> > The state trooper that busted him confiscated a half a joint from his
> ashtray,
> > and asked "do you have any more of this Mr. Nelson?". Willie's reply
was
> > "Officer, that's all you'll need...". :)
> >
> > Willie said in an interview that he had smoked pot every day if his life
> > since 1956, with the exception of three months when he was preparing to
> test
> > for his black belt. DJ--I was at his house a couple of times back in
that
> > ere also, and he always had a salad bowl full of buds on the table...
> >
> >
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >
> http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,23663,20437931- 10388,00.html
> > >
> > >I was present at a few recording sessions with Willie & friends back in
> > the
> > >early/mid 80's. I thought we smoked up all of the pot on earth then and
> > >there wasn't any left. I've still got a hangover from one of those
> > >sessions.........
> > >
> > >As stupid as this was, the stupidity is likely a result of haviung
smoked
> > so
> > >much pot so maybe he can plead insanity. I hope he doesn't do
> time......and
> > >he very possibly cound
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>During boot up does your bios show you what IRQ's it is assigning to your
card? It might say "multimedia device" or something like that. There's
no routine, you can put as many eds cards in as long as EVERY slot you put
them in is not shared with other devices. If the slot is shared with stuff
like onboard audio, usb etc turn them off in the bios to free the slot from
IRQ conflicts if you will be using that slot.
If you can see irq info on bootup you can try each slot and see what comes
up as shared. Also, run msinfo32.exe from Start / Run and see what IRQs
are doing what under Hardware.
It's all about the god damn irqs !!!
"Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>I have a one-card system going smoothly, with the EDS card in slot 3 of
4.
>Still unable to get through to the Asus people about IRQs, still trying.
>
>Today I will try the one EDS card in the other three slots, one by one.
If
>things go well in each slot, can I just throw all four of my EDS cards in
>their at once (I still have the four of them linked together with little
EDS
>cables, just the same as I pulled them out), or is there some special
>routine I have to follow? The manual doesn't make utter sense to me on this
>point, somehow...
>
>Jimmy
>
>So John,
Why don't you tell us who your pick would be...
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:45101602@linux...
> Historically, in the west, I'd say Metternich has to take the cake ev
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| Re: Boston area Parisians [message #71586 is a reply to message #71485] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 16:30 |
trossi
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t it the other day actually. Either there or
> New
> Zealand. She needs to live in mountains though. She's gotta' have snow.
> Having lived in just about every climate, I'm not too picky, though I do
> like the ocean. Something tells me I'd like Australia. Most of the Aussies
> I've met in my lifetime, I've become friends with, though I've never mated
> with any of the males.
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:450fb21e$1@linux...
>> What are you doing checking out Aussie newspapers, Deej?
>> Looking to move over here?--
>> Martin Harrington
>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:450f87ac$1@linux...
>> >
> http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,23663,20437931- 10388,00.html
>> >
>> > I was present at a few recording sessions with Willie & friends back in
>> > the
>> > early/mid 80's. I thought we smoked up all of the pot on earth then and
>> > there wasn't any left. I've still got a hangover from one of those
>> > sessions.........
>> >
>> > As stupid as this was, the stupidity is likely a result of haviung
> smoked
>> > so
>> > much pot so maybe he can plead insanity. I hope he doesn't do
>> > time......and
>> > he very possibly cound
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>i was serious...diplomacy doesn't mean ass kissing...just a position
of reason.
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:26:02 -0500, "Tony Benson"
<tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>I'm sensing some sarcasm there Rick. ;>) I would make a terrible diplomat. I
>react far too much from the gut. Beside, it's hard to be a good communicator
>with your foot in your mouth!
>
>I didn't mean to sound harsh to ulfiyya. He (she?) has every right to want
>this group to stick to PARIS related stuff. I guess it just feels more like
>a community to me than a technical reference source.
>
>
>Tony
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:k0c0h2hl6cc83qvha4esc96935fo3nqtb1@4ax.com...
>>i nominate you for john's diplomat search..props to you...damn, i
>> wasn't going to enter this fray...
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:31:50 -0500, "Tony Benson"
>> <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>
>>>With all due respect ulfiyya, the general consensus here is that anyone
>>>can
>>>discuss anything they feel like discussing. This group has morphed into
>>>more
>>>of a gathering place for PARIS users and former users. An online coffee
>>>house as such. The key for you is to simply skip the topics you don't want
>>>to read.
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>"ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:450f7bfa$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> for ... many times poeple.
>>>> THIS IS NOT A POLITIK SITE!!!
>>>> This is ...Paris site (Music) Remember...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Keep youre Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for the link. It looks like it might be a more interesting read
>>>>>than what you might expect of a book on probability theory.
>>>>>
>>>>>Without risk management there would be no insurance.
>>>>>
>>>>>Seems like we have some major risk management headaches ahead in the
>>>>>foreign relations area. I don't have much faith that our current
>>>>>government understands the situation or is capable of brokering a
>>>>>lasting and beneficial peace.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>> I never said faith was limited to religion _at all_ because that would
>>>> be
>>>>>> silly. I only bring this up because I think it's a very important
>>>>>> point.
>>>>>> Nearly every time you read 'without faith there would be no XXXXXXXX'
>>>> it's
>>>>>> just not true and XXXXXXXX can get along just fine without faith.
>>>>>> Probably
>>>>>> the best popular book about risk is called 'Against the Gods' and it's
>>>> sort
>>>>>> of about this very topic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Against-Gods-Remarkable-Story-Risk/dp/ 0471295639/sr=8-1/qid=1158631839/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-2500887-29 81628?ie=UTF8&s=books
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> There you go, clearly faith is not limited to religion. Although just
>>>> as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> clearly it's important for religion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to risk, many people have faith that their risks will pan out.
>>>>>>> Some
>>>>
>>>>>>> people do things because they have such faith. I know people like
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am people like that. That doesn't preclude anyone from doing
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for some other reason, of course.
>>>>>>>
>>>>&
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| Re: Boston area Parisians [message #71590 is a reply to message #71586] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 17:20 |
cujo
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;>> etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent
>>>>>>>> troubles.
>>>>>>>> 8. Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made
>>>> through
>>>>>>>> Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't see anything in there about risk. My point is that people
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> the things you're talking about knowing full well they might fail,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> them anyway. That's taking a risk, not having faith. I don't have
>>>>>>>> faith
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> I've taken lots of personal and professional risks in my life.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> We can disagree about that but the first line is the dictionary
>>>>>>>>> definition.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You're confusing 'faith' with 'a willingness to take risks.'
>>>>>>>>>> Animals
>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>> risks, to get food, create more animals, etc., but I doubt they
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>> One needs no faith to start businesses, invest money, get married,
>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Faith is complete trust or confidence in something or someone.
>>>>>>>>>>> Religious
>>>>>>>>>>> faith is one form of faith but not the only definition of
>>>>>>>>>>> "faith."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For example I have faith that if I drop a guitar pick it will
>>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>> way to the floor based on the gravitational attraction it has to
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> planet. I have faith that I'll breathe my next breath, that I'll
>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>> tomorrow morning. I have faith that other people are put together
>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>> like I am and that I can therefore relate to other folks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Without faith, people would not invest money. Without faith
>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> not vote. Without faith people would not start businesses, hire
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>> people, raise children. Without faith people would not ride
>>>>>>>>>>> trains,
>>>>>> fly
>>>>>>>>>>> in planes or drive cars. Without faith no one would investigate
>>>>>>>>>>> scientific questions about reality.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> While you can clearly have faith without religion, you cannot
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> religion without faith. Religion depends on faith that one or
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> deities (good and sometimes bad) exist, that their associated
>>>>>>>>>>> stories
>>>>>>>>>>> actually occurred, and often, that there is some sort of
>>>>>>>>>>> afterlife.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However, religious people believe in a variety of different
>>>>>>>>>>> deities.
>>>>>>>>>>> Even those who believe in the same deity disagree, sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>> violently,
>>>>>>>>>>> about the nature of their deity. Religions sometimes even
>>>>>>>>>>> disagree
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> the nature of reality. If you want to base morality strictly on
>>>>>>>>>>> religion, and you look around, you'll notice that religion can be
>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat chaotic basis unless...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, you might say, I want to base morality on MY religion. Well,
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> just dissed the majority of religions. No problem because THEY
>>>>>>>>>>> ARE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> WRONG. And people who believe in those religions may just be
>>>>>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> same thing about you and your religion. For those religions who
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> tolerant of other ideas, you may just have started a war.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So perhaps it's BETTER, in our time, to have a system of justice
>>>> that
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> NOT based on a religion. But one which guarantees everyone the
>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> practice the religion of their choice, guarantees other freedoms
>>>> such
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> we in the USA do in our Bill of Rights, encourages honesty and
>>>>>>>>>>> integrity, while enforcing some common sense limits such as no
>>>>>>>>>>> human
>>>>>>>>>>> sacrifices, a minimum age for marriage, no incest, no slavery, no
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> murder, no rape, no stealing, those sorts of things.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What is viewed as morality beyond a fair justice system and
>>>>>>>>>>> common
>>>>>> sense
>>>>>>>>>>> rules of behavior can be left to each freely chosen religion to
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| Re: Boston area Parisians [message #71593 is a reply to message #71585] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 19:50 |
Tom Bruhl
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gions used to legitimize earthly power structures in other
>>>>>>>>>>> cases.
>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric, I look forward to talking with you about the positives
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> negatives of various religions, and where a moral culture ought
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>> >from here, whenever we next get together.
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Jimmy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No doubt one can be a good person without believing in God -
>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> tons
>>>>>>>>>>>> of great people with no faith, or very little. That in and of
>>>>>>>>>>>> itself
>>>>>>>>>> tells
>>>>>>>>>>>> me there must be a God so even non-believers would have a strong
>>>> sense
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> right and wrong on a societal and even global level.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To walk through some thoughts: with no God, or higher reference
>>>> point,
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> would be considered moral, or at least good? What would one use
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> decide
>>>>>>>>>>>> what is right and wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Laws? Most would agree that we can't legislate morality now, so
>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>> basis for what morality is, why would we even bother with laws
>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone would make their own choices anyway?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Intellect? That would simply depend on what one chose to accept
>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> "intelligent" thought, based completely on opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reasoning and Logic? Logic is determined by a hypothesis that
>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> proven
>>>>>>>>>>>> outcome in a given situation. Change the situation, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> reasoning
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> logic behind the "right" or "wrong" could easily change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Experience? What if one's experience is filled with hatred,
>>>>>>>>>>>> abuse,
>>>>>>>> anger
>>>>>>>>>>>> and violence, or worse? Then someone would have to decide whose
>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>> we would use as a reference point. There would be no guarantee
>>>> that
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>>> or persons had experiences that would be best for the good of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> whole.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Survival instinct? If it were a reference point, then stealing,
>>>> lying,
>>>>>>>>>>>> cheating and even killing would be perfectly justified as those
>>>> can
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>>>>>>> of survival.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why would right and wrong even exist? I would think that the
>>>>>>>>>>>> differences
>>>>>>>>>>>> between societies' definitions of right and wrong, assuming
>>>>>>>>>>>> societies
>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>> existed, would be so drastic we would never have ventured into
>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>> form
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> inter-cultural/inter-geographic interaction, much less
>>>>>>>>>>>> relationships,
>>>>>>>>>>>> diplomacy, collaboration, trade, and open travel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As long as "morals" are only relative to each individual, they
>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute morals that would last longer than the time it takes to
>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> choice. We would just have 6.5 billion opinions. There would
>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>> ever changing perspective on what seems to "make sense" at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> time,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> based on this premise, even "making sense" would vary from
>>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> person,
>>>>>>>>>>>> day to day, minute to minute. In that case, our prisons would
>>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> filled with innocent people simply judged "wrong" at the time
>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> choices didn't match the preferences of the majority; or we
>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> prisons, or likely even organized societies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But is the majority always right? How would we know if there
>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutes that supercede the majority in some form?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If there were no right and wrong, there would be no consequences
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> either,
>>>>>>>>>>>> or at least we wouldn't view the outcome as a good or bad
>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence
>>>>>>>>>> - it
>>>>>>>>>>>> would just be another event in time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But by grace and as a gift of freedom, God gave us a choice,
>>>>>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>>>>> to believe in Him and whether to make right or wrong decisions.
>>>> With
>>>>>>>>>> moral
>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutes (God's word) as a reference we have a way to evaluate
>>>> drastically
>>>>>>>>>>>> differing situations on an equivalent basis; with consistency in
>>>> reasoning
>>>>>>>>>>>> and compassion; by choice and instinct rather than puppetry.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even
>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> choose to do wrong, He is willing to forgive us. Without that
>>>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> choose, balanced by God's grace and forgiveness, there would be
>>>> no
>>>>>> power
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> choosing to believe in Him. That's what makes God a personal
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>> loving
>>>>>>>>>> God
>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than a dictator or puppet master.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd as it may seem to anyone who doesn't believe, I can see God
>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>> that 1) we as a group of intelligent people on this forum can
>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>> completely opposing opinions and still care enough to consider
>>>>>>>>>>>> insulting,
>>>>>>>>>>>> belittling, slandering and hating one another an intolerable
>>>>>>>>>>>> concept;
>>>>>>>>>> and 2)
>>>>>>>>>>>> in all likelihood agree that peace and compassion completely
>>>>>>>>>>>> trump
>>>>>> greed
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> power in importance to life and survival together on this
>>>>>>>>>>>> planet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>&
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| Re: Boston area Parisians [message #71599 is a reply to message #71593] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 20:55 |
John Macy
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>> >>>>
>> >>>> TCB
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> There you go, clearly faith is not limited to religion. Although
>just
>> >> as
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> clearly it's important for religion.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As to risk, many people have faith that their risks will pan out.
>Some
>> >>
>> >>>>> people do things because they have such faith. I know people like
>that.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I am people like that. That doesn't preclude anyone from doing
>> >>>>> something
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> for some other reason, of course.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If you want to say you don't have faith in anything, using any of
>the
>> >>
>> >>>>> definitions below, then that's your prerogative and I don't have a
>> >>>>> problem with that.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>> -Jamie
>> >>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> TCB wrote:
>> >>>>>> Here's dictionary.com
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> faith  /feɪθ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
>> >>>>>> Pronunciation[feyth]
>> >>>>>> Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
>> >>>>>> -noun
>> >>>>>> 1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's
>> >>>>>> ability.
>> >>>>>> 2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the
>hypothesis
>> >>>> would
>> >>>>>> be substantiated by fact.
>> >>>>>> 3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the
>> >>>>>> firm
>> >>>> faith
>> >>>>>> of the Pilgrims.
>> >>>>>> 4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit,
>etc.:
>> >>>> to
>> >>>>>> be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
>> >>>>>> 5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish
>> >>>>>> faith.
>> >>>>>> 6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise,
>> >>>>>> engagement,
>> >>>>>> etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.
>> >>>>>> 7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise,
>oath,
>> >>>> allegiance,
>> >>>>>> etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent
>> >>>>>> troubles.
>> >>>>>> 8. Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made
>> >> through
>> >>>>>> Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I don't see anything in there about risk. My point is that people
>can
>> >>>> do
>> >>>>>> the things you're talking about knowing full well they might fail,
>but
>> >>>> do
>> >>>>>> them anyway. That's taking a risk, not having faith. I don't have
>> >>>>>> faith
>> >>>> but
>> >>>>>> I've taken lots of personal and professional risks in my life.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> TCB
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> We can disagree about that but the first line is the dictionary
>> >>>>>>> definition.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>> -Jamie
>> >>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> You're confusing 'faith' with 'a willingness to take risks.'
>Animals
>> >>>> take
>> >>>>>>>> risks, to get food, create more animals, etc., but I doubt they
>have
>> >>>> faith.
>> >>>>>>>> One needs no faith to start businesses, invest money, get
>married,
>> >> etc.
>> >>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Faith is complete trust or confidence in something or someone.
>> >>>>>>>>> Religious
>> >>>>>>>>> faith is one form of faith but not the only definition of
>"faith."
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> For example I have faith that if I drop a guitar pick it will
>find
>> >>>> its
>> >>>>>>>>> way to the floor based on the gravitational attraction it has to
>> >> the
>> >>>>>>>>> planet. I have faith that I'll breathe my next breath, that I'll
>> >> see
>> >>>>>>>>> tomorrow morning. I have faith that other people are put
>together
>> >> much
>> >>>>>>>>> like I am and that I can therefore relate to other folks.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Without faith, people would not invest money. Without faith
>people
>> >>>> would
>> >>>>>>>>> not vote. Without faith people would not start businesses, hire
>> >>>>>>>>> other
>> >>>>>>>>> people, raise children. Without faith people would not ride
>trains,
>> >>>> fly
>> >>>>>>>>> in planes or drive cars. Without faith no one would investigate
>> >>>>>>>>> scientific questions about reality.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> While you can clearly have faith without religion, you cannot
>have
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> religion without faith. Religion depends on faith that one or
>more
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> deities (good and sometimes bad) exist, that their associated
>> >>>>>>>>> stories
>> >>>>>>>>> actually occurred, and often, that there is some sort of
>afterlife.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> However, religious people believe in a variety of different
>> >>>>>>>>> deities.
>> >>>>>>>>> Even those who believe in the same deity disagree, sometimes
>> >>>>>>>>> violently,
>> >>>>>>>>> about the nature of their deity. Religions sometimes even
>disagree
>> >>>> about
>> >>>>>>>>> the nature of reality. If you want to base morality strictly on
>> >>>>>>>>> religion, and you look around, you'll notice that religion can
>be
>> >> a
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> somewhat chaotic basis unless...
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Ah, you might say, I want to base morality on MY religion. Well,
>> >> you
>> >>>>>>>>> just dissed the majority of religions. No problem because THEY
>ARE
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> WRONG. And people who believe in those religions may just be
>saying
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> same thing about you and your religion. For those religions who
>are
>> >>>> not
>> >>>>>>>>> tolerant of other ideas, you may just have started a war.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> So perhaps it's BETTER, in our time, to have a system of justice
>> >> that
>> >>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>>>> NOT based on a religion. But one which guarantees everyone the
>> >>>>>>>>> right
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>> practice the religion of their choice, guarantees other freedoms
>> >> such
>> >>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>>>> we in the USA do in our Bill of Rights, encourages honesty and
>> >>>>>>>>> integrity, while enforcing some common sense limits such as no
>> >>>>>>>>> human
>> >>>>>>>>> sacrifices, a minimum age for marriage, no incest, no slavery,
>no
>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>> murder, no rape, no stealing, those sorts of things.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> What is viewed as morality beyond a fair justice system and
>common
>> >>>> sense
>> >>>>>>>>> rules of behavior can be left to each freely chosen religion to
>> >>>>>>>>> sort
>> >>>>>>>>> out, like whether to restrict diet in some way, whether to wear
>a
>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>> certain type of clothing, how to pray, etc. But none of these
>> >>>>>>>>> additional
>> >>>>>>>>> practices should be imposed on society as a whole.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The Golden Rule may also be of use as a basic moral foundation.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> So yes, you can have a moral system, one that BTW protects the
>> >>>>>>>>> freedom
>> >>>>>>>>> to practice religious beliefs (or not), without basing it on any
>> >> one
>> >>>>>>>>> religion. And it can protect all religions better than a system
>> >>>>>>>>> based
>> >>>>>> on
>> >>>>>>>>> any one religion (AKA a theocracy).
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> There are other issues surrounding religions, such as the many
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| Re: Boston area Parisians [message #71601 is a reply to message #71599] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 23:56 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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ong the way; if one doesn't believe and is
>wrong,
>> >>>> then
>> >>>>>>>> at
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> best, all is lost for eternity. This is the paradox that we
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> should
>> >>>>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> considering, and yet the most fear-inducing thought is that
>the
>> >>>> President
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> might believe in something other than nothing. Is no belief
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> really
>> >>>>>>>> better
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> than belief? What reference point for right and wrong
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> accompanies
>> >>>>>>>>>>> disbelief
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> in anything higher than one's own decisions? What reference
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> point
>> >>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> respect for other people's beliefs accompanies a lack of
>belief
>> >>>> in
>> >>>>>> any
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> guideline for living life and having respect and compassion
>for
>> >>>> others?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't the administration's fault that the Pope quoted a
>guy
>> >> Islam
>> >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> like just because he called like he saw it - something we do
>on
>> >>>> this
>> >>>>>>>> forum
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> every single day, ironically. It also isn't Christianity's
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> intent
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>> take
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> over the world, or the government. Far from it. The only
>goal
>> >>>> is
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>> give
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> people a chance to decide. Yet, those that want to decide to
>> >> not
>> >>>>>> believe
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> would rather take that right away and remove Christianity
>from
>> >> public
>> >>>>>>>>>>> view.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The only way to force someone to remove their belief from
>public
>> >>>> in
>> >>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> country that promotes the freedom to believe as one wishes,
>is
>> >> to
>> >>>>>> outlaw
>> >>>>>>>>>>> it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yet another paradox.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Through our short sighted political glasses we want to see
>the
>> >> world
>> >>>>>>>> as a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> black and white, free-will, partisan vote where one's party
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> always
>> >>>>>> wins
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the decisions are always in our favor, but fail to see any
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> validity
>> >>>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> believing a God that gave us the very moral compass to
>maintain
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> balance
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that kind of choice affords us. In essence we put our trust
>in
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> very
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> thing we prove day in and day out to be one of the most
>fallible
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> characteristics of humanity - political and relativistic
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ideology.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I guess I ignored my own first comment....sorry about that.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I should get back to mourning NI Battery 2's destruction of
>10
>> >> hours
>> >>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> work
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> :-((....
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/16/06 9:09 PM, in article 450cbc70$1@linux, "gene
>Lennon"
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to start another religious or political thread
>> >> -...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> These are frightening times. While the true neocons in the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> current
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> administration
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have had a variety of political, financial and power-based
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons
>> >>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> perusing
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the war against Iraq, the president has had an even scarier
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Religion.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you missed it, this week Bush has announced the "Third
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Great
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Awakening"
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the international religious struggle. This is a good
>thing
>> >> as
>> >>>>>> he
>> >>>>>>>> sees
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it and it has been partially brought on by the new fight
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> against
>> >>>>>>>>>>> terrorists
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Translation - Due to his good work in God's name). A war
>that
>> >>>> he
>> >>>>>>>>>>> depicts
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> as "a confrontation between good and evil."
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In 2001 he used the word "crusade" and got into quite a bit
>of
>> >>>> trouble
>> >>>>>>>>>>> (as
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> has the Pope), but he seems to have the gloves off now.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone imagine a worse direction for the world to be
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> headed?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course he also believes in the Rapture, so things could
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> easily
>> >>>>>> go
>> >>>>>>>>>>> down
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> hill from here.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> More on the "Third Awakening":
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09 /12/AR2006091201
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 59
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4_pf.html
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> `
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>"Deej" <animixx@animass.net> wrote:
>I'm not going to flog it anymore or Kim's gonna get pissed off at me
>and
>I might die.
Hehe. It's not me dude. I don't mind at all. :o)
It's just that I know many others do...
Personally I'm just wishing I wasn't moderator, because then I'd join in...
....not that I've ever deleted a post, except one, but you know what I mean.
;o)
Cheers,
Kim.I may have a builder for you if you need one.
DOn
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:451072ab@linux...
>I don't have the schematics. I'll check, though I did run this up the
> flagpole a while back and got no response..
>
> DJ
>
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4510708c$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Well.....if I get something going with this, I'll let you know. I'm not
>> =
>> >sure exactly what happened with the AES thing at this point. All I can =
>> >say is that the intent was certainly there and sincere on everyone's =
>> >part, but for reasons that are still unknown to me, this has been put on
>> =
>> >hold indefinitely. I guess I'll take responsibility for the =
>> >disappointment though and I'm really sorry that things are still in =
>> >limbo regarding this.
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>>
>> Hey Deej! I know this is a long shot, but could you post the plans and
> any
>> info for the DIY guys. Maybe we could find somebody to build them for
>> us.
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>> >news:4510129a$1@linux...
>> > DJ,
>> > I'm in for the upgrades. =20
>> >
>> > What happened to the AES box you were talking about?
>> > Tom
>> >
>> >
>> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
>> >news:450f1a7f@linux...
>> > Do we have any money to pay him? I don't think he's gonna work for =
>> >free.
>> >
>> > ;oP
>> >
>> > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>> > news:450e9b9e@linux...
>> > > Find out if dude is interested in writing a windows Vista and OS-x
>> =
>> >driver
>> > :)
>> > >
>> > > AA
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> > > news:450e471d$1@linux...
>> > > > He wrote the software program that MRI machines are using these
>> =
>> >days.
>> > > > Very
>> > > > interesting guy. I'm mastering a project for his wife. He was
>> =
>> >pretty
>> > > > interested in the Paris program. His wife is pretty well known =
>> >in the LA
>> > > > music community and he digs this stuff. I may ask him if he =
>> >could write
>> > a
>> > > > delay compensation applet for Paris. He really got a chuckle out
>> =
>> >of
>> > > > Frankencomp.......said he's built a few similar monstrosities =
>> >himself.
>> > > > They
>> > > > will be back over here tomorrow night.
>> > > >
>> > > > ;o)
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>> > http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>> >
>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>> ><HTML><HEAD>
>> ><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>> >charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>> ><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3DGENERATOR>
>> ><STYLE></STYLE>
>> ></HEAD>
>> ><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well.....if I get something going with
>> =
>> >this, I'll=20
>> >let you know. I'm not sure exactly what happened with the AES thing at =
>> >this=20
>> >point. All I can say is that the intent was certainly there and sincere
>> =
>> >on=20
>> >everyone's part, but for reasons that are still unknown to me, this has
>> =
>> >been put=20
>> >on hold indefinitely. I guess I'll take responsibility for the =
>> >disappointment=20
>> >though and I'm really sorry that things are still in limbo regarding=20
>> >this.</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>> >style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> > <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>> > href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
>> >in message=20
>> > <A href=3D"news:4510129a$1@linux">news:4510129a$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DJ,</FONT></DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm in for the upgrades. =
>> ></FONT></DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What happened to the AES box you were
>> =
>> >talking=20
>> > about?</FONT></DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> > <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>> > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> > <DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
>> > =
>>
>>href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole=
>> >_@animas.net</A>>=20
>> > wrote in message <A=20
>> > href=3D"news:450f1a7f@linux">news:450f1a7f@linux</A>...</DIV>Do we =
>> >have any=20
>> > money to pay him? I don't think he's gonna work for=20
>> > free.<BR><BR>;oP<BR><BR>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
>> > =
>> >href=3D"mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude</A>> =
>> >wrote=20
>> > in message<BR><A=20
>> > href=3D"news:450e9b9e@linux">news:450e9b9e@linux</A>...<BR>> Find =
>> >out if=20
>> > dude is interested in writing a windows Vista and OS-x=20
>> > driver<BR>:)<BR>><BR>> AA<BR>><BR>><BR>> "DJ" <<A=20
>> > =
>>
>>href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole=
>> >_@animas.net</A>>=20
>> > wrote in message<BR>> <A=20
>> > href=3D"news:450e471d$1@linux">news:450e471d$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>> >> He=20
>> > wrote the software program that MRI machines are using these =
>> >days.<BR>>=20
>> > > Very<BR>> > interesting guy. I'm mastering a project for =
>> >his=20
>> > wife. He was pretty<BR>> > interested in the Paris =
>> >
>> > program. His wife is pretty well known in the LA<BR>> > music=20
>> > community and he digs this stuff. I may ask him if he could=20
>> > write<BR>a<BR>> > delay compensation applet for Paris. He =
>> >really got a=20
>> > chuckle out of<BR>> > Frankencomp.......said he's built a few =
>> >similar=20
>> > monstrosities himself.<BR>> > They<BR>> > will be back =
>> >over here=20
>> > tomorrow night.<BR>> ><BR>> > ;o)<BR>> ><BR>>=20
>> > ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>> > <DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam,
>> =
>> >and=20
>> > you?<BR><A=20
>> > =
>>
>>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>OF course!
rod
"chucduffy" <c@c.om> wrote:
>
>Depending on lookahead of course :-)
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yeah, 2 samples of latency (at 44.1) for eds plugs
>>Rod
>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>Hi Jimmy,
>>>As far as I've ever seen the EDS plugins have little or no latency as
>>>they exist in the hardware just like on a Pro Tools HD system.
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>>>> Wait a minute: Paris atuo-compenstaes for EDS plugins?!
>>>>
>>>> I'm very surprised, if true.
>>>>
>>>> Jimmy
>>>>
>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:450ff34f$1@linux...
>>>>> HI,
>>>>> It only matters under 2 scenarios.
>>>>> 1. Playing VST INstruments in real time.
>>>>> 2. Processing native effects on a live input.
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise you can set the buffer high to free up resources.
>>>>> When using Direct monitoring the software monitor inputs at the hardware
>>>>> level so no latency.
>>>>>
>>>>> ADC becomes more useful in the mixing stage Cubase will keep all the
>>>>> plug ins including external plug ins sample accurate. Paris will do
>this
>>>>> only with its EDS effects not with native. Actually most programs didn't
>>>>> only had this type of compensation on inserts only forever. Steinberg
>>>>> were the first to figure out how to do it across the whole path. I
wish
>>>>> Steinberg would stop with all the innovation stuff so I wouldn't have
>>to
>>>>> keep track of all the new features the competitors have in their
>>>>> programs. :0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>> What do buffer and latency matter for anymore, what with ADC on native
>>>>>> systems?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I seriously have no idea, being a Paris junkie since the beginning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:450f2d33@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HI Mike,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike R. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope it's ok to post this question here.
>>>>>>>> A friend of mine is going to buy a new Mac laptop. She is running
>>>>>> Cubase SE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> on her current
>>>>>>> No Universal Binary yet for Cubase not till 4.0 comes out so I don't
>>>>>>> think it will work if it is a Intel based one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'pute and wants a bigger faster, but portable, machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> most interested in your thoughts regarding both an audio card and
>>what
>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of external audio drive she could/should use.
>>>>>>> On a budget the Presonus Firebox is a great unit. If she want quality
>>>>>>> Mic-Pres and AD/DA, etc then the RME Fireface 400.
>>>>>>> Also the Mackie Spike or Onyx 400f might be a good option sense they
>>>>>>> come with the Tracktion software already.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If she is only recording 2 tracks or so then there is no need for
>an
>>>>>>> external drive. It would only be needed fore backs ups but the projects
>>>>>>> would more than likely be small enough to easily fit on DVDRW.
>>>>>>> Using an internal 80 or 100 gig drive on the PC would easily allow
>>for
>>>>>>> 32 tracks of 24/48 at 3 ms buffer on the RME Fireface 400. If you
>raise
>>>>>>> the buffer then 48 tracks should be no problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She generally won't be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> recording more than two tracks at a time, four absolute max. I
don't
>>>>>> think
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> she'd be mixing more than eight tracks at any one time either.
I
>>will
>>>>>>>> certainly be surfing myself to see what's out there, but I'd take
>>you
>>>>>> folk's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> recommendations, even over say... Mr. Spock's --although he did
some
>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> nifty stuff analyzing those whale sounds.
>>>>>>>> Thank you, thank you.
>>>>>>>> MR
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The current laptops well use the new Core 2 Duo CPUs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =103&saved_id=89
>>>>>> 35
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>> ADK
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>
>>>ADK Pro Audio
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>www.adkproaudio.com
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>
>> Hehe. It's not me dude. I don't mind at all. :o)
>
> It's just that I know many others do...
Ahhh, c'mon Kim. Even Sara puts up with me sometimes.
;o)
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45111450$1@linux...
>
> "Deej" <animixx@animass.net> wrote:
> >I'm not going to flog it anymore or Kim's gonna get pissed off at me
> >and
> >I might die.
>
> Hehe. It's not me dude. I don't mind at all. :o)
>
> It's just that I know many others do...
>
> Personally I'm just wishing I wasn't moderator, because then I'd join
in...
>
> ...not that I've ever deleted a post, except one, but you know what I
mean.
> ;o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim."DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>Ahhh, c'mon Kim. Even Sara puts up with me sometimes.
;o)
Now you're making me feel like the newsgroup police. ;o) DOH! I am... oh
I hate that. ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
>
>;o)
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45111450$1@linux...
>>
>> "Deej" <animixx@animass.net> wrote:
>> >I'm not going to flog it anymore or Kim's gonna get pissed off at me
>> >and
>> >I might die.
>>
>> Hehe. It's not me dude. I don't mind at all. :o)
>>
>> It's just that I know many others do...
>>
>> Personally I'm just wishing I wasn't moderator, because then I'd join
>in...
>>
>> ...not that I've ever deleted a post, except one, but you know what I
>mean.
>> ;o)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
>Hey guys, there is another alternative :-)
Just buy up a bunch of IF2's and mod them.
Chuck
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>I may have a builder for you if you need one.
>
>DOn
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:451072ab@linux...
>>I don't have the schematics. I'll check, though I did run this up the
>> flagpole a while back and got no response..
>>
>> DJ
>>
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4510708c$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Well.....if I get something going with this, I'll let you know. I'm
not
>>> =
>>> >sure exactly what happened with the AES thing at this point. All I can
=
>>> >say is that the intent was certainly there and sincere on everyone's
=
>>> >part, but for reasons that are still unknown to me, this has been put
on
>>> =
>>> >hold indefinitely. I guess I'll take responsibility for the =
>>> >disappointment though and I'm really sorry that things are still in
=
>>> >limbo regarding this.
>>> >
>>> >Deej
>>> >
>>>
>>> Hey Deej! I know this is a long shot, but could you post the plans and
>> any
>>> info for the DIY guys. Maybe we could find somebody to build them for
>>> us.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>>> >news:4510129a$1@linux...
>>> > DJ,
>>> > I'm in for the upgrades. =20
>>> >
>>> > What happened to the AES box you were talking about?
>>> > Tom
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
>>> >news:450f1a7f@linux...
>>> > Do we have any money to pay him? I don't think he's gonna work for
=
>>> >free.
>>> >
>>> > ;oP
>>> >
>>> > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>> > news:450e9b9e@linux...
>>> > > Find out if dude is interested in writing a windows Vista and
OS-x
>>> =
>>> >driver
>>> > :)
>>> > >
>>> > > AA
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>> > > news:450e471d$1@linux...
>>> > > &g
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| Re: Boston area Parisians [message #71608 is a reply to message #71599] |
Tue, 22 August 2006 06:20 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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lt;BR>>
=
>>> >> He=20
>>> > wrote the software program that MRI machines are using these =
>>> >days.<BR>>=20
>>> > > Very<BR>> > interesting guy. I'm mastering a project for =
>>> >his=20
>>> > wife. He was pretty<BR>> > interested in the Paris =
>>> >
>>> > program. His wife is pretty well known in the LA<BR>> > music=20
>>> > community and he digs this stuff. I may ask him if he could=20
>>> > write<BR>a<BR>> > delay compensation applet for Paris. He =
>>> >really got a=20
>>> > chuckle out of<BR>> > Frankencomp.......said he's built a few =
>>> >similar=20
>>> > monstrosities himself.<BR>> > They<BR>> > will be back =
>>> >over here=20
>>> > tomorrow night.<BR>> ><BR>> > ;o)<BR>> ><BR>>=20
>>> > ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>>> > <DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam,
>>> =
>>> >and=20
>>> > you?<BR><A=20
>>> > =
>>>
>>>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>
>Whilst we are on the subject of modification, I have often
pondered the feasibility of tapping into those EDS interconnect ribbon cables
and, with the aid of some additional
d-a/a-d conversion, set up a hard-wired submix insert.
*Someone* out there must know enough about the
Paris architecture to know whether or not this is possible.
OK, I'll just go back to dreaming now...
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>I may have a builder for you if you need one.
>
>DOn
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:451072ab@linux...
>>I don't have the schematics. I'll check, though I did run this up the
>> flagpole a while back and got no response..
>>
>> DJ
>>
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4510708c$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Well.....if I get something going with this, I'll let you know. I'm
not
>>> =
>>> >sure exactly what happened with the AES thing at this point. All I can
=
>>> >say is that the intent was certainly there and sincere on everyone's
=
>>> >part, but for reasons that are still unknown to me, this has been put
on
>>> =
>>> >hold indefinitely. I guess I'll take responsibility for the =
>>> >disappointment though and I'm really sorry that things are still in
=
>>> >limbo regarding this.
>>> >
>>> >Deej
>>> >
>>>
>>> Hey Deej! I know this is a long shot, but could you post the plans and
>> any
>>> info for the DIY guys. Maybe we could find somebody to build them for
>>> us.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>>> >news:4510129a$1@linux...
>>> > DJ,
>>> > I'm in for the upgrades. =20
>>> >
>>> > What happened to the AES box you were talking about?
>>> > Tom
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
>>> >news:450f1a7f@linux...
>>> > Do we have any money to pay him? I don't think he's gonna work for
=
>>> >free.
>>> >
>>> > ;oP
>>> >
>>> > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>> > news:450e9b9e@linux...
>>> > > Find out if dude is interested in writing a windows Vista and
OS-x
>>> =
>>> >driver
>>> > :)
>>> > >
>>> > > AA
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>> > > news:450e471d$1@linux...
>>> > > > He wrote the software program that MRI machines are using these
>>> =
>>> >days.
>>> > > > Very
>>> > > > interesting guy. I'm mastering a project for his wife. He
was
>>> =
>>> >pretty
>>> > > > interested in the Paris program. His wife is pretty well known
=
>>> >in the LA
>>> > > > music community and he digs this stuff. I may ask him if he
=
>>> >could write
>>> > a
>>> > > > delay compensation applet for Paris. He really got a chuckle
out
>>> =
>>> >of
>>> > > > Frankencomp.......said he's built a few similar monstrosities
=
>>> >himself.
>>> > > > They
>>> > > > will be back over here tomorrow night.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > ;o)
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>> > http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>> >
>>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>> ><HTML><HEAD>
>>> ><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>> >charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>> ><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>> ><STYLE></STYLE>
>>> ></HEAD>
>>> ><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well.....if I get something going with
>>> =
>>> >this, I'll=20
>>> >let you know. I'm not sure exactly what happened with the AES thing
at =
>>> >this=20
>>> >point. All I can say is that the intent was certainly there and sincere
>>> =
>>> >on=20
>>> >everyone's part, but for reasons that are still unknown to me, this
has
>>> =
>>> >been put=20
>>> >on hold indefinitely. I guess I'll take responsibility for the =
>>> >disappointment=20
>>> >though and I'm really sorry that things are still in limbo regarding=20
>>> >this.</FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej</FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> ><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>>> >style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>> > <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>>> > href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote
=
>>> >in message=20
>>> > <A href=3D"news:4510129a$1@linux">news:4510129a$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
>>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DJ,</FONT></DIV>
>>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm in for the upgrades. =
>>> ></FONT></DIV>
>>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What happened to the AES box you
were
>>> =
>>> >talking=20
>>> > about?</FONT></DIV>
>>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> > <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>> > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
=
>>> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>> > <DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
>>> > =
>>>
>>>href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole=
>>> >_@animas.net</A>>=20
>>> > wrote in message <A=20
>>> > href=3D"news:450f1a7f@linux">news:450f1a7f@linux</A>...</DIV>Do
we =
>>> >have any=20
>>> > money to pay him? I don't think he's gonna work for=20
>>> > free.<BR><BR>;oP<BR><BR>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
>>> > =
>>> >href=3D"mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude</A>>
=
>>> >wrote=20
>>> > in message<BR><A=20
>>> > href=3D"news:450e9b9e@linux">news:450e9b9e@linux</A>...<BR>> Find
=
>>> >out if=20
>>> > dude is interested in writing a windows Vista and OS-x=20
>>> > driver<BR>:)<BR>><BR>> AA<BR>><BR>><BR>> "DJ" <<A=20
>>> > =
>>>
>>>href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole=
>>> >_@animas.net</A>>=20
>>> > wrote in message<BR>> <A=20
>>> > href=3D"news:450e471d$1@linux">news:450e471d$1@linux</A>...<BR>>
=
>>> >> He=20
>>> > wrote the software program that MRI machines are using these =
>>> >days.<BR>>=20
>>> > > Very<BR>> > interesting guy. I'm mastering a project for =
>>> >his=20
>>> > wife. He was pretty<BR>> > interested in the Paris =
>>> >
>>> > program. His wife is pretty well known in the LA<BR>> > music=20
>>> > community and he digs this stuff. I may ask him if he could=20
>>> > write<BR>a<BR>> > delay compensation applet for Paris. He =
>>> >really got a=20
>>> > chuckle out of<BR>> > Frankencomp.......said he's built a few =
>>> >similar=20
>>> > monstrosities himse
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| Re: Boston area Parisians [message #71695 is a reply to message #71593] |
Thu, 24 August 2006 05:51 |
trossi
Messages: 6
Registered: August 2006
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Junior Member |
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t;>>>>>>>>> On 9/17/06 7:12 PM, in article 450df091@linux, "Uptown Jimmy"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea that one needs to believe in a god in order to have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>> strong
>>>>>>>>>>>> morals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is absurd, I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:C1325038.358D%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gene -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You probably didn't realize it (so no offense), but your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> response
>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much confirms my assertion that the tendency of our country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world society, is to place blame for religious conflict,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> violence
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religiously motivated terrorism anywhere but with the single
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> largest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing, and currently most violent religion in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bombings, suicide bombers, torched churches, thousands of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tortured
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> murdered, exiled and ostracized people in favor of blaming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration for anything and everything, as if Bush made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Pope
>>>>>>>>>>>> quote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Byzantine emperor by going to war in Iraq.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Islam isn't the passive, peaceful, non-threatening,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all-accepting
>>>>>>>>>> religion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our country seems to blindly want to believe. Some western
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Muslims
>>>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be, but just ask anyone who tried to believe in anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conservative Islamic countries of the world. I know, have
>>>>>>>>>>>&
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| Re: Boston area Parisians [message #72043 is a reply to message #72035] |
Mon, 04 September 2006 18:24 |
Phil Aiken
Messages: 62
Registered: February 2008
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That's one long list. I wish they =
made the print just a little smaller.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm not on it or at least that I could =
find. =20
Bruel was though. Damn.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Don Nafe" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:451628b5@linux">news:451628b5@linux</A>...</DIV>AN URGENT =
MESSAGE=20
TO RECORDING ARTISTS<BR><BR><BR>SoundExchange is the entity that =
collects and=20
distributes broadcast<BR>royalties from digital distribution of music. =
This=20
includes streaming<BR>Internet broadcasts (not downloads) and =
satellite radio=20
services. These<BR>royalties ha
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