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| I'm gonna have to start listening to Thad Brown more often [message #69424] |
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Deej [1]
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celsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Hey La Mont! I've always said, if your a PC guru there's not much sense
in
>learning a Mac. I know that you like I, use both platforms. All I can
say
>about the new Mac Pro is, damn that machine is COOL! I think it's hard
to
>argue with that. Not that you need one; )
>
>As far as proprietary, I find it funny that you say that. In 1993-94, there
>was no audio or MIDI software for the PC! Cakewalk was just starting to
>show up around 94-95. Back in those days, it was Apple/Mac, Atari and Amega.
> Well it was the Mac that survived, and the majority of the audio software
>was on the Mac. Apple was in the Audio software game long before the PC.
> For years Apple has led the way and the PC followed. Now they are on
par.
>
>
>You say proprietary, well isn't Sonar, and Samplitude 9 proprietary? They
>are only available on one platform, the PC, right? I think, you think,
PCs
>are main stream and anything Mac only is Proprietary. Apple Machines can
>run Mac O/S, Windows O/S, and UNIX, so who and what is proprietary? You
>can run any thing you want on a Mac!
>
>Many software venders have stopped support and development for the Mac.
>As an example, Adobe stalled Premier development on the Mac side, to focus
>on the PC version, so Apple had to make their move. I think it sucks that
>Apple dropped Logic for the PC and jumped the price up, but so did everybody.
> Nuendo $2600.00 list??? That is a lot of money for just software!!!
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>Now that Sony has Steinberg, we'll see if they continue Mac support. Apple
>buying Emagic was a strategic move. I'm just not sure Logic was the right
>move, Logic and ease of use don't go together vary well. Apple had to
make
>a move, I'm sure your glad they didn't buy Steinberg.
>
>James
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| Re: I'm gonna have to start listening to Thad Brown more often [message #69426 is a reply to message #69424] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 11:07  |
Jamie K
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>> >> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if
you
>> want
>> >> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>> >>
>> >> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
>> >>
>> >> James
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> >>> Six months? Once more woodcrest chips are available you should be
>able
>> >> to
>> >>> build one now. Now it seems the battle is between OSX and Windows.
>> While
>> >>> this was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better hardware
>system,
>> >>> it did narrow the distinction between the Mac and PC.
>> >>>
>> >>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better performance
>numbers
>> >> on
>> >>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which OS is most
>> bloated
>> >>> (given that it would ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples and
>oranges).
>> >>>
>> >>> The main reason I've stayed with PCs (despite having been down the
Mac
>> path
>> >>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of repair and
>lower
>> >>> repair costs, much larger pool of available software, and now,
>FXTeleport.
>> >>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically
>> like
>> >>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo
>users.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dedric
>> >>>
>> >>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>> >>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months
>you'll
>> >>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> James
>> >>>>
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| Re: I'm gonna have to start listening to Thad Brown more often [message #69428 is a reply to message #69426] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 11:10 |
Deej [1]
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>> FXTeleport.
>>>>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't even generically
>> like
>>>>> Windows. OSX looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for Nuendo
>>>>> users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six months
>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that will
>>>>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, you
>>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks interesting,
>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>> of machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the link, check out the buy it now for configurations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80651
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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| Re: I'm gonna have to start listening to Thad Brown more often [message #69446 is a reply to message #69433] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 14:13 |
Chris Ludwig
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competing for a =
larger=20
market share now - pretty much the same as every<BR>>>>=20
new<BR>>>> >model before. As analysts have observed, =
Apple=20
will have a hard time<BR>>>> >winning the corporate/server =
market,=20
and that's where their prices put<BR>>>them.<BR>>>>=20
><BR>>>> >So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on =
more=20
expensive, closed,<BR>>>and<BR>>>> >costly to repair, =
and=20
impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I =
don't.<BR>>>> =20
It<BR>>>> >just doesn't make economic sense. Great =
marketing=20
tactic for those that<BR>>>> >haven't used both=20
though.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> =
>Regards,<BR>>>>=20
>Dedric<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> >On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, =
in=20
article </FONT><A href=3D"mailto:44d90b0c$1@linux"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>44d90b0c$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, "James =
McCloskey"<BR>>>> ><</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>excelsm@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> >><BR>>>> =
>> I=20
don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran=20
well<BR>>>> on<BR>>>> >> a Mac??? If it's =
a=20
problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short<BR>>>>=20
order.<BR>>>> >><BR>>>> >> As far as mac =
hardware=20
goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.<BR>>>> =
>>=20
Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, =
and<BR>>=20
they<BR>>>> have<BR>>>> >> for years. For =
some=20
that will be worth the price of admission, =
for<BR>>>others<BR>>>>=20
>> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and=20
Windows<BR>>>software<BR>>>> >> since the early =
90s, and=20
UNIX since 2001. You can run more =
software<BR>>>than<BR>>>>=20
>> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. =
It's=20
just<BR>>>easier,<BR>>>> >> faster and less =
expensive=20
now. That could only be good for a studio.<BR>>>>=20
>><BR>>>> >> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, =
but it=20
will be hard to compete<BR>>>with<BR>>>> >> what =
apple is=20
offering today! The new Mac
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| Re: I'm gonna have to start listening to Thad Brown more often [message #69447 is a reply to message #69446] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 15:11 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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Pro is a cool, sleek, =
high<BR>>>>=20
end<BR>>>> >> machine. Look at the comparative =
costs to the=20
Dell in the WWDC video.<BR>>>> Sure<BR>>>> =
>> you=20
can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. =20
You'll<BR>>>> save<BR>>>> >> money up front, but =
not in=20
the long run when you have to spend =
hours<BR>>>tweaking,<BR>>>>=20
>> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work=20
right.<BR>>>> >><BR>>>> >> Once again for =
me it's=20
ease of use, less headaches, and time. And<BR>> =
then<BR>>>>=20
>> there's<BR>>>> >> the software, I hate software =
that=20
gets in the way. By the way, if<BR>> you<BR>>>>=20
want<BR>>>> >> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC =
Keynote=20
video; )<BR>>>> >><BR>>>> >> =
</FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/</FONT></A><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>>>> >><BR>>>> >> =
James<BR>>>>=20
>><BR>>>> >><BR>>>> >> Dedric Terry=20
<</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:dterry@keyofd.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>dterry@keyofd.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>> >>> Six months? Once more =
woodcrest chips=20
are available you should be<BR>>>able<BR>>>> >>=20
to<BR>>>> >>> build one now. Now it seems the =
battle is=20
between OSX and Windows.<BR>>>> While<BR>>>> =
>>> this=20
was a good move for Apple to get a faster and better=20
hardware<BR>>>system,<BR>>>> >>> it did narrow =
the=20
distinction between the Mac and PC.<BR>>>> =
>>><BR>>>>=20
>>> It will be interesting to see which turns in better=20
performance<BR>>>numbers<BR>>>> >> =
on<BR>>>>=20
>>> Nuendo tests with the same hardware in place - e.g. which =
OS is=20
most<BR>>>> bloated<BR>>>> >>> (given that it =
would=20
ASIO vs. Core Audio, which is apples =
and<BR>>>oranges).<BR>>>>=20
>>><BR>>>> >>> The main reason I've stayed =
with PCs=20
(despite having been down the<BR>> Mac<BR>>>> =
path<BR>>>>=20
>>> a couple of times) is price for the performance, ease of =
repair=20
and<BR>>>lower<BR>>>> >>> repair costs, much =
larger pool=20
of available software, and now,<BR>>>FXTeleport.<BR>>>>=20
>>> I don't particularly like Windows. In fact I don't =
even=20
generically<BR>>>> like<BR>>>> >>> =
Windows. OSX=20
looks cool, but it seems to be problematic for=20
Nuendo<BR>>>users.<BR>>>> >>><BR>&
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| Re: I'm gonna have to start listening to Thad Brown more often [message #69449 is a reply to message #69426] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 17:18 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
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ernet, this is what I saw. Note, I put TWO 3ghz dual =
>core xeon's in this config, a 160 GB disk, 3 year onsite =
>repair/replacement warranty, a 19" Flat Panel and a GB of RAM. Feel =
>free to post Apple specs, I'll match and I don't think you'll hit $4000
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>on the Dell, not even close.=20
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> a..=20
> a.. Dell Precision Workstation 490 MiniTower - 32bit=20
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> Date 8/10/2006 8:02:28 AM Central =
>Standard Time=20
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> Catalog Number 5 Retail 555=20
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> Catalog Number / Description Product Code SKU
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> Dell Precision Workstation 490 MiniTower - 32bit:
> Dual Core Intel=AE Xeon=AE Processor 5050 =
>3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2, 667 4M30 [222-1863] 1=20
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> Genuine Windows=AE XP Professional, SP2 with =
>Media XPP2E [420-4860] 11=20
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>3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2, 667 PR300 [311-5942] 2=20
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> 128MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro NVS 285, Dual VGA =
>Capable NV285V [320-4760] 6=20
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> 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 533MHz, ECC (2 =
>DIMMS) 1G2E [311-5946] 3=20
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> C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total
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> 160GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM NCQ Hard Drive with
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