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| OT: Completely, absolutely OT.. what color y'all? [message #65847] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 16:25  |
Aaron Allen
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>Oh, I forgot to tell you. After all of this =
>practicing,=20
>perspiration and starvation since you won't be able to work since you're
=
>
>practicing so much; once you learn how to play jazz, try finding a gig =
>that pays=20
>more than $50.00, all 2 of them a month. While you're playing expect the
=
>usual=20
>loudmouthed moron, yelling over your solo, who could give a crap about =
>all the=20
>hip shit you're playing. Then be prepared to turn down or play more=20
>traditional, if you're playing too loud or too hip. And don't =
>forget that=20
>you'll need a day gig to pay for your coke and alcohol addictions, since
=
>you've=20
>become so neurotic, myopic and reclusive after about 10 years of =
>constant 6-8=20
>hr/day shedding. If you had a life before you became a jazz musician, =
>you can=20
>expect that you won't have one after.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>Kim, I'm really being facetious but this isn't too =
>far from=20
>the truth. Don't get me wrong, I love jazz. I spent most of my =
>
>youth and young adulthood perfecting my craft, completely =
>engrossed in and=20
>devoted to learning how to improvise, solo over changes and write. I =
>still=20
>pursue my 1st love, jazz, with a passion, but I have a day gig so I can
=
>pay for=20
>my musical habit. If you do it, do it for the love of it and because it
=
>really=20
>means something to you. There's really something special about jazz for
=
>me.=20
>Unfortunately the listening public has little or no understanding, or=20
>appreciation of the music form.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hal Galper says it better than me: <FONT =
>size=3D2>"One of my=20
>long-time associates in the business once said that the inscription on =
>his=20
>tombstone would read "It wasn't worth it." As positive a kind of guy as
=
>I=20
>naturally am, I'm beginning to sympathize with him."</FONT></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>Read the whole thing here: <A=20
>href=3D"http://www.richlamanna.com/hal_galper.htm">http://www.richlamanna=
>.com/hal_galper.htm</A>
><SCRIPT language=3Djavascript>postamble();</SCRIPT>
></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>You know how to make a million dollars playing=20
>jazz?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>Start with 2 million.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>Rich</FONT><BR></DIV>
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> <DIV>"Rich Lamanna" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net">richard.lamanna@verizon.net</=
>A>>=20
> wrote in message <A=20
>href=3D"news:444901e4@linux">news:444901e4@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV>Kim, the only way I learned how to play jazz was by listening to
=
>the cats=20
> that I really dug and transcribed tons of solos. I practiced as many =
>arpeggios=20
> as I could find or create with my own musical sense, <STRONG>in =
>every key=20
> of course, this is a must</STRONG>, learned all the chord scales, in =
>triads,=20
> sevenths, and 4th patterns, especially the dominant ones, (they're =
>more=20
> complex and were harder to hear for me), Altered, Diminished, Harmonic
=
>Minor,=20
> Melodic Minor, etc., it's endless my friend. It's all repetition in =
>the=20
> beginning, but eventually you begin to find your own voice and things
=
>start to=20
> fall into place. It only took me about 25 years :0 and I'm still =
>searching=20
> and analyzing other's solos. I play the sax and recently the =
>steel drum=20
> which has made me more aware of comping. Keyboard is challenging in =
>that you=20
> comp and solo simultaneously. If you want to do this on piano, you're
=
>on the=20
> right footing already if you're listening to cats like Bill =
>Evans, Oscar=20
> Peterson, Chick, Herbie, George Shearing, etc... Transcribe and shed =
>like=20
> hell.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Cheers and good luck,</DIV
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| Re: OT: Completely, absolutely OT.. what color y'all? [message #65849 is a reply to message #65847] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 16:49  |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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d<BR>> be handy, for me at least. =
>MIDI=20
> files even might be ideal.<BR>> <BR>> And of course I don't =
>actually=20
> know any real jazz musos. I know some people<BR>> who know a bit of =
>jazz,=20
> but nobody where I'd say there expertise is in jazz.<BR>> <BR>> =
>I think=20
> I just need to bite the bullet and start putting some serious =
>effort<BR>>=20
> into improving my chart reading skills...<BR>> <BR>> =
>Cheers,<BR>>=20
> Kim.</FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>
>M what?
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:444997e9$1@linux...
>
>
> Well, there you go...
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Just ran across this. I assume this is the audio layer off Mpeg4 video,
> like
> >MP3 was the audio layer off MPEG1.
> >
> >Anybody know if it's any good? I'm doing some googling... but getting
opinions
> >that actually stand true when it somes to the quality of compressed audio
> >can be difficult.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Kim.
>Thanks for that Rich. I'll check out your link too, when I get through some
of these others.
At this gig the other night, one of the guys said on mic "Our CD's are available
at the bar. If some of you guys bought a CD that would really help us hit
the jazz top ten, which would I think require about 20 sales..." ;o)
I'm aware that jazz isn't going to make me rich and famous. Even in cases
where people are famous, they're still not rich. The truth is though that
me and popular music seem to be going our seperate ways. There is little
in new music that interests me, and little motivation for me to persue it,
and I really don't feel very driven to play stuff that I think is crud, just
because that's what the punters want.
I'd much prefer that I get enjoyment out of it myself, know my craft, and
have a small but knowledgeable audience that appreciates and understands
what I'm doing, which is where jazz will likely take me. We do have a few
jazz clubs around Melbourne, so if I can work towards gigs in such places
it will hopefully mean that at least most of the audience will be appreciative,
even if they don't really understand it.
I've got some work to do before I get there though. Although it's probably
true that my "fudged" jazz I do at the moment is probably fairly adequate
for the average unknowledgeable audience. There's part of me that can't stand
the thought though that there's one guy sitting at a table somewhere in the
room thinking "This guy really doesn't know jazz"... ...which is I guess
what drives the jazz muso. ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>Oh, I forgot to tell you. After all of this practicing, perspiration and
=
>starvation since you won't be able to work since you're practicing so =
>much; once you learn how to play jazz, try finding a gig that pays more
=
>than $50.00, all 2 of them a month. While you're playing expect the =
>usual loudmouthed moron, yelling over your solo, who could give a crap =
>about all the hip shit you're playing. Then be prepared to turn down or
=
>play more traditional, if you're playing too loud or too hip. And don't
=
>forget that you'll need a day gig to pay for your coke and alcohol =
>addictions, since you've become so neurotic, myopic and reclusive after
=
>about 10 years of constant 6-8 hr/day shedding. If you had a life before
=
>you became a jazz musician, you can expect that you won't have one =
>after.
>
>Kim, I'm really being facetious but this isn't too far from the truth. =
>Don't get me wrong, I love jazz. I spent most of my youth and young =
>adulthood perfecting my craft, completely engrossed in and devoted to =
>learning how to improvise, solo over changes and write. I still pursue =
>my 1st love, jazz, with a passion, but I have a day gig so I can pay for
=
>my musical habit. If you do it, do it for the love of it and because it
=
>really means something to you. There's really something special about =
>jazz for me. Unfortunately the listening public has little or no =
>understanding, or appreciation of the music form.
>
>Hal Galper says it better than me: "One of my long-time associates in =
>the business once said that the inscription on his tombstone would read
=
>"It wasn't worth it." As positive a kind of guy as I naturally am, I'm =
>beginning to sympathize with him."
>
>Read the whole thing here: http://www.richlamanna.com/hal_galper.htm
>
>You know how to make a million dollars playing jazz?
>Start with 2 million.
>
>Rich
>
> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message =
>news:444901e4@linux...
> Kim, the only way I learned how to play jazz was by lis
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| Re: OT: Completely, absolutely OT.. what color y'all? [message #65850 is a reply to message #65849] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 17:00 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
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tening to the =
>cats that I really dug and transcribed tons of solos. I practiced as =
>many arpeggios as I could find or create with my own musical sense, in =
>every key of course, this is a must, learned all the chord scales, in =
>triads, sevenths, and 4th patterns, especially the dominant ones, =
>(they're more complex and were harder to hear for me), Altered, =
>Diminished, Harmonic Minor, Melodic Minor, etc., it's endless my friend.
=
>It's all repetition in the beginning, but eventually you begin to find =
>your own voice and things start to fall into place. It only took me =
>about 25 years :0 and I'm still searching and analyzing other's solos. I
=
>play the sax and recently the steel drum which has made me more aware of
=
>comping. Keyboard is challenging in that you comp and solo =
>simultaneously. If you want to do this on piano, you're on the right =
>footing already if you're listening to cats like Bill Evans, Oscar =
>Peterson, Chick, Herbie, George Shearing, etc... Transcribe and shed =
>like hell.
>
> Cheers and good luck,
> Rich
>
> =20
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
>news:4448377b$1@linux...
> >=20
> >=20
> > Well, I went to a jazz gig last night. Paul Grabowsky and a bunch of
=
>other
> > dudes who's names I probably would know if I knew as much about jazz
=
>as I'd
> > like to. ;o)
> >=20
> > So this week's whim for me is that I want to switch all my musical =
>persuits
> > to jazz. I mean rock is all so yesterday. ;o) Actually, it's not a =
>sudden
> > whim for this week. It's been brewing for some time,but I've been =
>avoiding
> > ths switch because it sounds like too much hard work.
> >=20
> > Part of the problem is that jazz musos, or good ones at least, are =
>so good.
> > ;o) I mean when you compare the keyboard parts in the average top =
>ten tune,
> > to the piano part in an average jazz tune, there's no comparison. =
>One is
> > decidedly more difficult, more advanced, and more clever. And harder
=
>to play.
> >=20
> > And for the last 20 years, when I've wanted to learn a tune, I've =
>listened
> > to a recorded performance of the tune, and then worked out some =
>parts to
> > imitate what I hear, but with jazz the expectation is different. For
=
>starters
> > most recorded versions are incredibly personalised to the player. If
=
>I copy
> > what I hear on a record, I'll just sound like somebody emulating =
>that particular
> > recording, where the expectation is that I should be doing my own, =
>different,
> > original version. I mean I'm quite capable of doing that, but I need
=
>to learn
> > the tune somehow, and while I have some ability to read charts, I'm
=
>hardly
> > an expert at it, as I've found that working off the actual =
>recordings is
> > generally far more effective for pop/rock music. Not so for jazz it
=
>seems.
> >=20
> > Anybody know of somewhere where I can download copies of jazz =
>standards=20
> > "as they're written"? A reference point as to how the original =
>melody goes
> > before people start "doing jazz" to it? Bet there's no such thing...
=
> ...would
> > be handy, for me at least. MIDI files even might be ideal.
> >=20
> > And of course I don't actually know any real jazz musos. I know some
=
>people
> > who know a bit of jazz, but nobody where I'd say there expertise is
=
>in jazz.
> >=20
> > I think I just need to bite the bullet and start putting some =
>serious effort
> > into improving my chart reading skills...
> >=20
> > Cheers,
> > Kim.
>
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><DIV><FONT size=3D2>Oh, I forgot to tell you. After all of this =
>practicing,=20
>perspiration and starvation since you won't be able to work since you're
=
>
>practicing so much; once you learn how to play jazz, try finding a gig =
>that pays=20
>more than $50.00, all 2 of them a month. While you're playing expect the
=
>usual=20
>loudmouthed moron, yelling over your solo, who could give a crap about =
>all the=20
>hip shit you're playing. Then be prepared to turn down or play more=20
>traditional, if you're playing too loud or too hip. And don't =
>forget that=20
>you'll need a day gig to pay for your coke and alcohol addictions, since
=
>you've=20
>become so neurotic, myopic and reclusive after about 10 years of =
>constant 6-8=20
>hr/day shedding. If you had a life before you became a jazz musician, =
>you can=20
>expect that you won't have one after.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>Kim, I'm really being facetious but this isn't too =
>far from=20
>the truth. Don't get me wrong, I love jazz. I spent most of my =
>
>youth and young adulthood perfecting my craft, completely =
>engrossed in and=20
>devoted to learning how to improvise, solo over changes and write. I =
>still=20
>pursue my 1st love, jazz, with a passion, but I have a day gig so I can
=
>pay for=20
>my musical habit. If you do it, do it for the love of it and because it
=
>really=20
>means something to you. There's really something special about jazz for
=
>me.=20
>Unfortunately the listening public has
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| Re: OT: Completely, absolutely OT.. what color y'all? [message #65851 is a reply to message #65847] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 17:26 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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little or no understanding, or=20
>appreciation of the music form.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hal Galper says it better than me: <FONT =
>size=3D2>"One of my=20
>long-time associates in the business once said that the inscription on =
>his=20
>tombstone would read "It wasn't worth it." As positive a kind of guy as
=
>I=20
>naturally am, I'm beginning to sympathize with him."</FONT></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>Read the whole thing here: <A=20
>href=3D"http://www.richlamanna.com/hal_galper.htm">http://www.richlamanna=
>.com/hal_galper.htm</A>
><SCRIPT language=3Djavascript>postamble();</SCRIPT>
></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>You know how to make a million dollars playing=20
>jazz?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>Start with 2 million.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2>Rich</FONT><BR></DIV>
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>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Rich Lamanna" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net">richard.lamanna@verizon.net</=
>A>>=20
> wrote in message <A=20
>href=3D"news:444901e4@linux">news:444901e4@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV>Kim, the only way I learned how to play jazz was by listening to
=
>the cats=20
> that I really dug and transcribed tons of solos. I practiced as many =
>arpeggios=20
> as I could find or create with my own musical sense, <STRONG>in =
>every key=20
> of course, this is a must</STRONG>, learned all the chord scales, in =
>triads,=20
> sevenths, and 4th patterns, especially the dominant ones, (they're =
>more=20
> complex and were harder to hear for me), Altered, Diminished, Harmonic
=
>Minor,=20
> Melodic Minor, etc., it's endless my friend. It's all repetition in =
>the=20
> beginning, but eventually you begin to find your own voice and things
=
>start to=20
> fall into place. It only took me about 25 years :0 and I'm still =
>searching=20
> and analyzing other's solos. I play the sax and recently the =
>steel drum=20
> which has made me more aware of comping. Keyboard is challenging in =
>that you=20
> comp and solo simultaneously. If you want to do this on piano, you're
=
>on the=20
> right footing already if you're listening to cats like Bill =
>Evans, Oscar=20
> Peterson, Chick, Herbie, George Shearing, etc... Transcribe and shed =
>like=20
> hell.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Cheers and good luck,</DIV>
> <DIV>Rich</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>"Kim" <</FONT><A=20
> href=3D"mailto:hiddensounds@hotmail.com"><FONT=20
> size=3D2>hiddensounds@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3D2>> wrote =
>in message=20
> </FONT><A href=3D"news:4448377b$1@linux"><FONT=20
> size=3D2>news:4448377b$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT =
>size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT=20
> size=3D2>> <BR>> <BR>> Well, I went to a jazz gig last night. =
>Paul=20
> Grabowsky and a bunch of other<BR>> dudes who's names I probably =
>would know=20
> if I knew as much about jazz as I'd<BR>> like to. ;o)<BR>> =
><BR>> So=20
> this week's whim for me is that I want to switch all my musical=20
> persuits<BR>> to jazz. I mean rock is all so yesterday. ;o) =
>Actually, it's=20
> not a sudden<BR>> whim for this week. It's been brewing for some =
>time,but=20
> I've been avoiding<BR>> ths switch because it sounds like too much =
>hard=20
> work.<BR>> <BR>> Part of the problem is that jazz musos, or good =
>ones at=20
> least, are so good.<BR>> ;o) I mean when you compare the keyboard =
>parts in=20
> the average top ten tune,<BR>> to the piano part in an average jazz =
>tune,=20
> there's no comparison. One is<BR>> decidedly more difficult, more =
>advanced,=20
> and more clever. And harder to play.<BR>> <BR>> And for the last =
>20=20
> years, when I've wanted to learn a tune, I've listened<BR>> to a =
>recorded=20
> performance of the tune, and then worked out some parts to<BR>> =
>imitate=20
> what I hear, but with jazz the expectation is different. For =
>starters<BR
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| Re: OT: Completely, absolutely OT.. what color y'all? [message #65852 is a reply to message #65847] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 17:40 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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>>=20
> most recorded versions are incredibly personalised to the player. If I
=
>
> copy<BR>> what I hear on a record, I'll just sound like somebody =
>emulating=20
> that particular<BR>> recording, where the expectation is that I =
>should be=20
> doing my own, different,<BR>> original version. I mean I'm quite =
>capable of=20
> doing that, but I need to learn<BR>> the tune somehow, and while I =
>have=20
> some ability to read charts, I'm hardly<BR>> an expert at it, as =
>I've found=20
> that working off the actual recordings is<BR>> generally far more =
>effective=20
> for pop/rock music. Not so for jazz it seems.<BR>> <BR>> Anybody =
>know of=20
> somewhere where I can download copies of jazz standards <BR>> "as =
>they're=20
> written"? A reference point as to how the original melody goes<BR>> =
>before=20
> people start "doing jazz" to it? Bet there's no such=20
> thing... ...would<BR>> be handy, for me at least. =
>MIDI=20
> files even might be ideal.<BR>> <BR>> And of course I don't =
>actually=20
> know any real jazz musos. I know some people<BR>> who know a bit of =
>jazz,=20
> but nobody where I'd say there expertise is in jazz.<BR>> <BR>> =
>I think=20
> I just need to bite the bullet and start putting some serious =
>effort<BR>>=20
> into improving my chart reading skills...<BR>> <BR>> =
>Cheers,<BR>>=20
> Kim.</FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>You mean you don'nt know al your chord inversions?
>That's standard requirement for R & B.
Not on guitar I don't. Well, I do know most of them, but I'm not fluent in
them. They're not second nature, which they need to be to make full use of
them while soloing. I know enough to get by in a blue tune mostly, because
blues progressions tend to move around far less than a lot of jazz. I mean
it's pretty easy to visualise the inversions for a 12 bar or something similar
on guitar, but step that up to a jazz piece, with 9ths, 11ths and 13ths,
and suddenly it's a whole new ball game.
I don't consider myself a guitarist though. I can fudge guitar for the purposes
os playing in a pop/rock outfit, where a lot of what goes down is power chords
anyhow, and everything is pretty basic. Even in these cases, guitar is my
second instrument. Typically when on stage I have a couple of keyboards,
and a guitar on hand for those tunes which are purely guitar, and then have
a "real guitarist" who actually plays the guitar parts for the most part.
I have no ambition to become a jazz guitarist though, in the near future
at least. Jazz is going to be enough work on keys as it is. ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.Then you put on your best Miles Davis impersonation & play it
off by saying: "Look muthafucka, the muthafuckin' title of the
muthafuckin' song is: 'so-muthafuckin'-what?", whihc muthafuckin' means I
can play it any muthafuckin' way I
muthafuckin' want to and you don't have SHIT to muthafuckin'
say about it!"
lol
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Lol!!
>That'll work until the bandleader calls out "So What" by Miles Davis..Then
>what will do..He has the "Signature" lead-Bass line :)
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>Or: 7) Just get a fretless bass, ignore if you're playing
>>anything scalar or not, and insist that you're still
>>just "hanging on the outside".
>>
>>:)
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey Kim,
>>>Jazz is a language all unto itself. You have to ask yourself:
>>>
>>>-What style of Jazz do I want to learn and Play?
>>> -Be Bop (50, 60s)
>>> -swing (30's 40's)
>>> -Big Band(40, 50s)
>>>-Smooth Jazz :)
>>>-Jazz Fusion.?
>>>This question has to be aswered first. What style of Jazz do I want to
>speak.
>>>
>>>2)Okay.Now, that you've answered question #1, you must emerse yourself
>in
>>>intense record (ear) training. Night and day. Only listening to the style
>>>you wan tot play. Find the band or intrumentalist that fit's the style,
>>and
>>>listen listen, listen.
>>>
>>>3) Find a local Jazz band that is playing the style you want to play.
Go
>>>see them often. Again,listen, listen listen.
>>>Observer and the instruemntalist moves, chords..
>>>
>>>4)Practice with your record player/CD .try to stay with Wes Montgomery.
>>The
>>>more you do this , the more that given style will become familiar.
>>>
>>>5) Leasrn to start improvising with your voice. Just start scatting lines.
>>>Then, play that line on your instrument..
>>>
>>>6)Jazz is a language that one must take very seriously.Unlike rock, po
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Tue, 28 March 2006 18:04 |
Don Nafe
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>>>>;o) I mean when you compare the keyboard parts in the average top ten
>tune,
>>>>to the piano part in an average jazz tune, there's no comparison. One
>is
>>>>decidedly more difficult, more advanced, and more clever. And harder
to
>>>play.
>>>>
>>>>And for the last 20 years, when I've wanted to learn a tune, I've listened
>>>>to a recorded performance of the tune, and then worked out some parts
>to
>>>>imitate what I hear, but with jazz the expectation is different. For
starters
>>>>most recorded versions are incredibly personalised to the player. If
I
>>copy
>>>>what I hear on a record, I'll just sound like somebody emulating that
>particular
>>>>recording, where the expectation is that I should be doing my own, different,
>>>>original version. I mean I'm quite capable of doing that, but I need
to
>>>learn
>>>>the tune somehow, and while I have some ability to read charts, I'm hardly
>>>>an expert at it, as I've found that working off the actual recordings
>is
>>>>generally far more effective for pop/rock music. Not so for jazz it seems.
>>>>
>>>>Anybody know of somewhere where I can download copies of jazz standards
>>>
>>>>"as they're written"? A reference point as to how the original melody
>goes
>>>>before people start "doing jazz" to it? Bet there's no such thing...
>
>>
>>>..would
>>>>be handy, for me at least. MIDI files even might be ideal.
>>>>
>>>>And of course I don't actually know any real jazz musos. I know some
people
>>>>who know a bit of jazz, but nobody where I'd say there expertise is in
>>jazz.
>>>>
>>>>I think I just need to bite the bullet and start putting some serious
>effort
>>>>into improving my chart reading skills...
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Kim.
>>>
>>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I'm aware that jazz isn't going to make me rich and famous. Even in cases
>where people are famous, they're still not rich.
I'll bet that Jason Miles might disagree with you to some
extent there... I have no clue as to how rich or not rich he
is, but if he's making a living with jazz & living in New York
City as he's doing it, he's got be doing reasonably ok, right?
In any event - I believe you have to do that which you love,
regardless... look at me, I do Progressive Rock, for God's
Sake! If there's anything more niche & obscure than Jazz at
this point in time, it's that! lol
Neil"Neil" <OIOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>In any event - I believe you have to do that which you love,
>regardless...
Well with music, if you don't love it, you simply can't be dedicated enough
to rise above the pack. Being really good comes from sheer hard work, and
you're only going to do that work for the love of it, because record companies
don't pay you to spend 5 years in the back room getting your chops up to
scratch. ;o)
>look at me, I do Progressive Rock, for God's
>Sake! If there's anything more niche & obscure than Jazz at
>this point in time, it's that! lol
Hehe, no it's not in the current "pop rock" scene really is it? Like you
say, you've gotta do what you love though, or it's pointless. I mean music
is art, and you can't create art unless you have a passion for it.
I'm just not sure if this jazz phase will last long enough (20 years? ;o)
for me to become a really good jazz player, but even if I just go through
a 12 month fad, I'm bound to come out the other side with a far better understanding
of music, and that's gotta count for something. :o)
Cheers,
Kim.
>
>NeilSurely somebody here can fill me in on this.
I'm really after one basic peice of info.
I have a piano here, and it's got some sentimental value as it's the piano
I learned to play on from age 5 to 20 or so. Thing is it's down half a step,
or 90% of half a step. At the moment I don't like to play it, because while
I don't have perfect pitch per se, I have enough of it for it to annoy me
when something is flat. The piano is no real use to me as is, so I want to
get it back to 440.
What's going to happen? I've heard that when a piano has been flat for a
long time they tend to slip back. What I want to know is, is it like a guitar?
Is it safe for me to assume that it's just going to keep slipping and need
three or four tunes before it will settle on pitch? Or will it never tune
to pitch?
If it's just a matter of tuning it several times I'm willing to get cracking
and get it tunes to pitch. Indeed it would probably increase the amount I
would practise jazz if I had a real piano at 440 to practise on.
The secondary question... what's to stop me grabbing the nearest chromatic
tuner and a spanner and giving it a bash myself. Obviously it would take
me a while, but is there any real trick to it. I mean if it's going to slip
back out of pitch, I figure even if I do a bad job, I might as well life
it up to around 440 and let it sit for a month before I get a real guy out
here. Even if I do a bad job and it's not particularily good to play, surely
I'm better off to have it close to 440 as a start point, rather than flat
a semitone?
And while I'm at it, anybody know anything about fixing pianolas? ;o) When
you start to pedal, a number of keys play when they're not supposed to, and
it's leaking a fair bit of air... ...surely nothing some gaffa can't fix?
;o)
Cheers,
Kim.a friend has one and it definitely colors the sound. i recently
persuaded him to take it out of the audio chain and the highs came
back and the bottom end was de hyped.
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:41:13 -0300, "Rob Arsenault"
<info@studiomanitou.com> wrote:
>Been looking at this thing, looks rather cool and handy...!!
>
>http://www.mackie.com/products/bigknob/index.html
>
>Rob
>Hey Kim,
I used to tune my piano in the studio. It is a pill. It would cost you more
for the tuning set up than the 45 bucks to have a pro just come out and tune
it. The wrench is about $50.00, then you need a 1/2 strip of felt about 1
ft. long and 4 soft rubber wedges, 3 narrow and 1 wide, then a soft rubber
clamp which looks a lot like a fancy close pin, which you use to tune the
middle of the three strings. You may have $80-100.00 in it before you even
start tuning.
Real encouraging ain't I?
Steve
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Surely somebody here can fill me in on this.
>
>I'm really after one basic peice of info.
>
>I have a piano here, and it's got some sentimental value as it's the piano
>I learned to play on from age 5 to 20 or so. Thing is it's down half a step,
>or 90% of half a step. At the moment I don't like to
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| Re: Completely, absolutely OT.. what color y'all? [message #65858 is a reply to message #65847] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 19:11 |
Edna Sloan
Messages: 304
Registered: October 2005
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e difficult, more advanced, and more clever. And harder to
play.
>
> And for the last 20 years, when I've wanted to learn a tune, I've listened
> to a recorded performance of the tune, and then worked out some parts to
> imitate what I hear, but with jazz the expectation is different. For
starters
> most recorded versions are incredibly personalised to the player. If I
copy
> what I hear on a record, I'll just sound like somebody emulating that
particular
> recording, where the expectation is that I should be doing my own,
different,
> original version. I mean I'm quite capable of doing that, but I need to
learn
> the tune somehow, and while I have some ability to read charts, I'm hardly
> an expert at it, as I've found that working off the actual recordings is
> generally far more effective for pop/rock music. Not so for jazz it seems.
>
> Anybody know of somewhere where I can download copies of jazz standards
> "as they're written"? A reference point as to how the original melody goes
> before people start "doing jazz" to it? Bet there's no such thing...
....would
> be handy, for me at least. MIDI files even might be ideal.
>
> And of course I don't actually know any real jazz musos. I know some
people
> who know a bit of jazz, but nobody where I'd say there expertise is in
jazz.
>
> I think I just need to bite the bullet and start putting some serious
effort
> into improving my chart reading skills...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.....unless you have duct tape. With duct tape, anything is possible.
MR
"Chris Latham" <latham_c@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:44483b62@linux...
> Holy cow!... I mean goat. I just saw the previous header. OK, goat on a
> pole obviously can work, but pole on a goat, like DJ stated, is
IMPOSSIBLE!
>
> CL
>
>
> "Chris Latham" <latham_c@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:4448399a@linux...
> > Take it from someone who owns both goats and Paris; ain't neither one of
> > those things ever gonna happen.
> >
> > Thanks for the setup , Deej.
> > CL
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:4446fb23@linux...
> > > Without the Paris code, I think there's about as much chance of doing
> this
> > > as balancing a pole on a goat.
> > >
> > > ;o)
> >
> >
>
>On the other hand.... :-)
My neighbor is an upright bass player. He gigs the dc cocktail/benefit/art
show/museum circuit. Also gives lessons during the day, his wife gives voice
lessons (amazing voice), and his twin daughters get an almost free ride to
one of the most prestigious private schools in DC because of their prodigious
musical talent.
In other words they have a rich, rewarding musical, family and financial
life based right on jazz and classical.
Anything is possible :)
Chuck
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Thanks for that Rich. I'll check out your link too, when I get through some
>of these others.
>
>At this gig the other night, one of the guys said on mic "Our CD's are available
>at the bar. If some of you guys bought a CD that would really help us hit
>the jazz top ten, which would I think require about 20 sales..." ;o)
>
>I'm aware that jazz isn't going to make me rich and famous. Even in cases
>where people are famous, they're still not rich. The truth is though that
>me and popular music seem to be going our seperate ways. There is little
>in new music that interests me, and little motivation for me to persue it,
>and I really don't feel very driven to play stuff that I think is crud,
just
>because that's what the punters want.
>
>I'd much prefer that I get enjoyment out of it myself, know my craft, and
>have a small but knowledgeable audience that appreciates and understands
>what I'm doing, which is where jazz will likely take me. We do have a few
>jazz clubs around Melbourne, so if I can work towards gigs in such places
>it will hopefully mean that at least most of the audience will be appreciative,
>even if they don't really understand it.
>
>I've got some work to do before I get there though. Although it's probably
>true that my "fudged" jazz I do at the moment is probably fairly adequate
>for the average unknowledgeable audience. There's part of me that can't
stand
>the thought though that there's one guy sitting at a table somewhere in
the
>room thinking "This guy really doesn't know jazz"... ...which is I guess
>what drives the jazz muso. ;o)
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Oh, I forgot to tell you. After all of this practicing, perspiration and
>=
>>starvation since you won't be able to work since you're practicing so =
>>much; once you learn how to play jazz, try finding a gig that pays more
>=
>>than $50.00, all 2 of them a month. While you're playing expect the =
>>usual loudmouthed moron, yelling over your solo, who could give a crap
=
>>about all the hip shit you're playing. Then be prepared to turn down or
>=
>>play more traditional, if you're playing too loud or too hip. And don't
>=
>>forget that you'll need a day gig to pay for your coke and alcohol =
>>addictions, since you've become so neurotic, myopic and reclusive after
>=
>>about 10 years of constant 6-8 hr/day shedding. If you had a life before
>=
>>you became a jazz musician, you can expect that you won't have one =
>>after.
>>
>>Kim, I'm really being facetious but this isn't too far from the truth.
=
>>Don't get me wrong, I love jazz. I spent most of my youth and young =
>>adulthood perfecting my craft, completely engrossed in and devoted to =
>>learning how to improvise, solo over changes and write. I still pursue
=
>>my 1st love, jazz, with a passion, but I have a day gig so I can pay for
>=
>>my musical habit. If you do it, do it for the love of it and beca
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| Re: OT: Completely, absolutely OT.. what color y'all? [message #65886 is a reply to message #65847] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 21:58 |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005
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yopic and reclusive after
>>=
>>>about 10 years of constant 6-8 hr/day shedding. If you had a life before
>>=
>>>you became a jazz musician, you can expect that you won't have one =
>>>after.
>>>
>>>Kim, I'm really being facetious but this isn't too far from the truth.
>=
>>>Don't get me wrong, I love jazz. I spent most of my youth and young =
>>>adulthood perfecting my craft, completely engrossed in and devoted to
=
>>>learning how to improvise, solo over changes and write. I still pursue
>=
>>>my 1st love, jazz, with a passion, but I have a day gig so I can pay for
>>=
>>>my musical habit. If you do it, do it for the love of it and because it
>>=
>>>really means something to you. There's really something special about
=
>>>jazz for me. Unfortunately the listening public has little or no =
>>>understanding, or appreciation of the music form.
>>>
>>>Hal Galper says it better than me: "One of my long-time associates in
=
>>>the business once said that the inscription on his tombstone would read
>>=
>>>"It wasn't worth it." As positive a kind of guy as I naturally am, I'm
>=
>>>beginning to sympathize with him."
>>>
>>>Read the whole thing here: http://www.richlamanna.com/hal_galper.htm
>>>
>>>You know how to make a million dollars playing jazz?
>>>Start with 2 million.
>>>
>>>Rich
>>>
>>> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message =
>>>news:444901e4@linux...
>>> Kim, the only way I learned how to play jazz was by listening to the
>=
>>>cats that I really dug and transcribed tons of solos. I practiced as =
>>>many arpeggios as I could find or create with my own musical sense, in
>=
>>>every key of course, this is a must, learned all the chord scales, in
=
>>>triads, sevenths, and 4th patterns, especially the dominant ones, =
>>>(they're more complex and were harder to hear for me), Altered, =
>>>Diminished, Harmonic Minor, Melodic Minor, etc., it's endless my friend.
>>=
>>>It's all repetition in the beginning, but eventually you begin to find
>=
>>>your own voice and things start to fall into place. It only took me =
>>>about 25 years :0 and I'm still searching and analyzing other's solos.
>I
>>=
>>>play the sax and recently the steel drum which has made me more aware
of
>>=
>>>comping. Keyboard is challenging in that you comp and solo =
>>>simultaneously. If you want to do this on piano, you're on the right =
>>>footing already if you're listening to cats like Bill Evans, Oscar =
>>>Peterson, Chick, Herbie, George Shearing, etc... Transcribe and shed =
>>>like hell.
>>>
>>> Cheers and good luck,
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> =20
>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
>>>news:4448377b$1@linux...
>>> >=20
>>> >=20
>>> > Well, I went to a jazz gig last night. Paul Grabowsky and a bunch
of
>>=
>>>other
>>> > dudes who's names I probably would know if I knew as much about jazz
>>=
>>>as I'd
>>> > like to. ;o)
>>> >=20
>>> > So this week's whim for me is that I want to switch all my musical
>=
>>>persuits
>>> > to jazz. I mean rock is all so yesterday. ;o) Actually, it's not a
>=
>>>sudden
>>> > whim for this week. It's been brewing for some time,but I've been
=
>>>avoiding
>>> > ths switch because it sounds like too much hard work.
>>> >=20
>>> > Part of the problem is that jazz musos, or good ones at least, are
>=
>>>so good.
>>> > ;o) I mean when you compare the keyboard parts in the average top
=
>>>ten tune,
>>> > to the piano part in an average jazz tune, there's no comparison.
=
>>>One is
>>> > decidedly more difficult, more advanced, and more clever. And harder
>>=
>>>to play.
>>> >=20
>>> > And for the last 20 years, when I've wanted to learn a tune, I've
=
>>>listened
>>> > to a recorded performance of the tune, and then worked out some =
>>>parts to
>>> > imitate what I hear, but with jazz the expectation is different. For
>>=
>>>starters
>>> > most recorded versions are incredibly personalised to the player.
If
>>=
>>>I copy
>>> > what I hear on a record, I'll just sound like somebody emulating =
>>>that particular
>>> > recording, where the expectation is that I should be doing my own,
>=
>>>different,
>>> > original version. I mean I'm quite capable of doing that, but I need
>>=
>>>to learn
>>> > the tune somehow, and while I have some ability to read charts, I'm
>>=
>>>hardly
>>> > an expert at it, as I've found that working off the actual =
>>>recordings is
>>> > generally far more effective for pop/rock music. Not so for jazz it
>>=
>>>seems.
>>> >=20
>>> > Anybody know of somewhere where I can download copies of jazz =
>>>standards=20
>>> > "as they're written"? A reference point as to how the original =
>>>melody goes
>>> > before people start "doing jazz" to it? Bet there's no such thing...
>>=
>>> ...would
>>> > be handy, for me at least. MIDI files even might be ideal.
>>> >=20
>>> > And of course I don't actually know any real jazz musos. I know some
>>=
>>>people
>>> > who know a bit of jazz, but nobody where I'd say there expertise is
>>=
>>>in jazz.
>>> >=20
>>> > I think I just need to bite the bullet and start putting some =
>>>serious effort
>>> > into improving my chart reading skills...
>>> >=20
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Kim.
>>>
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>>>loudmouthed moron, yelling over your solo, who could give a crap about
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>>>all the=20
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>>>youth and young adulthood perfecting my craft, completely =
>>>engrossed in and=20
>>>devoted to learning how to improvise, solo over changes and write. I =
>>>still=20
>>>pursue my 1st love, jazz, with a passion, but I have a day gig so I can
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>>>my musical habit. If you do it, do it for the love of it and because it
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>>><DIV><FONT size=3D2>Read the whole thing here: <A=20
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>>><DIV><FONT size=3D2>Rich</FONT><BR></DIV>
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>>> <DIV>"Rich Lamanna" <<A=20
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>>>href=3D"mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net">richard.lamanna@verizon.net</=
>>>A>>=20
>>> wrote in message <A=20
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>>> <DIV>Kim, the only way I learned how to play jazz was by listening to
>>=
>>>the cats=20
>>> that I really dug and transcribed tons of solos. I practiced as many
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>>>arpeggios=20
>>> as I could find or create with my own musical sense, <STRONG>in =
>>>every key=20
>>> of course, this is a must</STRONG>, learned all the chord scales, in
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>>>triads,=20
>>> sevenths, and 4th patterns, especially the dominant ones, (they're =
>>>more=20
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>>=
>>>Minor,=20
>>> Melodic Minor, etc., it's endless my friend. It's all repetition in
=
>>>the=20
>>> beginning, but eventually you begin to find your own voice and things
>>=
>>>start to=20
>>> fall into place. It only took me about 25 years :0 and I'm still =
>>>searching=20
>>> and analyzing other's solos. I play the sax and recently the =
>>>steel drum=20
>>> which has made me more aware of comping. Keyboard is challenging in
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>>>that you=20
>>> comp and solo simultaneously. If you want to do this on piano, you're
>>=
>>>on the=20
>>> right footing already if you're listening to cats like Bill =
>>>Evans, Oscar=20
>>> Peterson, Chick, Herbie, George Shearing, etc... Transcribe and shed
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>>>like=20
>>> hell.</DIV>
>>> <DIV> </DIV>
>>> <DIV>Cheers and good luck,</DIV>
>>> <DIV>Rich</DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>"Kim" <</FONT><A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:hiddensounds@hotmail.com"><FONT=20
>>> size=3D2>hiddensounds@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3D2>> wrote =
>>>in message=20
>>> </FONT><A href=3D"news:4448377b$1@linux"><FONT=20
>>> size=3D2>news:4448377b$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT =
>>>size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT=20
>>> size=3D2>> <BR>> <BR>> Well, I went to a jazz gig last night. =
>>>Paul=20
>>> Grabowsky and a bunch of other<BR>> dudes who's names I probably =
>>>would know=20
>>> if I knew as much about jazz as I'd<BR>> like to. ;o)<BR>> =
>>><BR>> So=20
>>> this week's whim for me is that I want to switch all my musical=20
>>> persuits<BR>> to jazz. I mean rock is all so yesterday. ;o) =
>>>Actually, it's=20
>>> not a sudden<BR>> whim for this week. It's been brewing for some =
>>>time,but=20
>>> I've been avoiding<BR>> ths switch because it sounds like too much =
>>>hard=20
>>> work.<BR>> <BR>> Part of the problem is that jazz musos, or good =
>>>ones at=20
>>> least, are so good.<BR>> ;o) I mean when you compare the keyboard =
>>>parts in=20
>>> the average top ten tune,<BR>> to the piano part in an average jazz
=
>>>tune,=20
>>> there's no comparison. One is<BR>> decidedly more difficult, more =
>>>advanced,=20
>>> and more clever. And harder to play.<BR>> <BR>> And for the last =
>>>20=20
>>> years, when I've wanted to learn a tune, I've listened<BR>> to a =
>>>recorded=20
>>> performance of the tune, and then worked out some parts to<BR>> =
>>>imitate=20
>>> what I hear, but with jazz the expectation is different. For =
>>>starters<BR>>=20
>>> most recorded versions are incredibly personalised to the player. If
>I
>>=
>>>
>>> copy<BR>> what I hear on a record, I'll just sound like somebody =
>>>emulating=20
>>> that particular<BR>> recording, where the expectation is that I =
>>>should be=20
>>> doing my own, different,<BR>> original version. I mean I'm quite =
>>>capable of=20
>>> doing that, but I need to learn<BR>> the tune somehow, and while I =
>>>have=20
>>> some ability to read charts, I'm hardly<BR>> an expert at it, as =
>>>I've found=20
>>> that working off the actual recordings is<BR>> generally far more =
>>>effective=20
>>> for pop/rock music. Not so for jazz it seems.<BR>> <BR>> Anybody =
>>>know of=20
>>> somewhere where I can download copies of jazz standards <BR>> "as =
>>>they're=20
>>> written"? A reference point as to how the original melody goes<BR>>
=
>>>before=20
>>> people start "doing jazz" to it? Bet there's no such=20
>>> thing... ...would<BR>> be handy, for me at least. =
>>>MIDI=20
>>> files even might be ideal.<BR>> <BR>> And of course I don't =
>>>actually=20
>>> know any real jazz musos. I know some people<BR>> who know a bit of
=
>>>jazz,=20
>>> but nobody where I'd say there expertise is in jazz.<BR>> <BR>> =
>>>I think=20
>>> I just need to bite the bullet and start putting some serious =
>>>effort<BR>>=20
>>> into improving my chart reading skills...<BR>> <BR>> =
>>>Cheers,<BR>>=20
>>> Kim.</FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>>
>>>
>>
>Anyone using this cpu presently? Any good experiences or bad for that
matter. I'm looking to upgrade.
Thanks,
RichWhat about the Sempron 3000 cpu?
Thanks again,
Rich
"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:444ab3dc@linux...
> Anyone using this cpu presently? Any good experiences or bad for that
> matter. I'm looking to upgrade.
>
> Thanks,
> Rich
>
>Kip wrote:
> Melodyne and Paris, any luck anybody ???
Export from paris, open in melodyne, process, import back into paris..
You aren't going to be able to rewire it if that's what you're asking..
Cheers,
TCThe MyParisPro site is down and I can't find my copy.....
Please paste it or email it to me.
Thanks,
-Will"Will Wilson" <wwilson12@kc.rr.com.com.com> wrote:
>The MyParisPro site is down and I can't find my copy.....
MyParisPro is gone. try here:
http://homepage.mac.com/osxlover/ParisFAQs/parisonxp.html
Cheers,
Kim.Is there any and if so what is it?
Just wondering
DonThis site doesn't have the latency value but says the latency changes
continuously. WILD
http://tinyurl.com/marcr
Don Nafe wrote:
> Is there any and if so what is it?
>
> Just wondering
>
> Don
>
>Ok..........here's the deal. I get this P750 video card happening great with
2 x HDSP 9652's in the PCI slots and x UAD-1's in the Magma. Problem is,
when I boot the computer, the post screen is a garbled bunch of hash. If I
try to enter the bios, this is also a garbled bunch of hash because it
follows the post screen. Once I'm past post, the computer boots normally,
but I need to be able to rtweak the bios so I decide that the bios may need
to be updated. I install the ASUS utility that allows one to flash the bios
from the Windows environment and load it to a floppy. then I launch the
utility and try to flash from the floppy. The flash fails and I am prompted
to close out of the utility. Well, guess what, my bios is now corrupted and
my screens go totally blank. I can't boot to my windows OS disk, Norton
Ghost recovery disk or my mobo utility disk now. I guess I could clear the
CMOS, but then I would need to see what was happening when the system comes
back online in order to set the time, etc. or I'd be further hosed.
I'm really hating this evil Matrox POS right about now. Had I not bought it,
I'd be making music, plain and simple.
Anyone tell me how to get back to square 1?
I'm really stumped.
DeejHmm, I wonder if it's something like: the more out of tune a
note is, the more latency is introduced?
Neil
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>This site doesn't have the latency value but says the latency changes
>continuously. WILD
>
>
>http://tinyurl.com/marcr
>
>Don Nafe wrote:
>> Is there any and if so what is it?
>>
>> Just wondering
>>
>> Don
>>
>>***>Anyone tell me how to get back to square 1?***
Are you on WinXP??? If so, did you set a system restore point
before you loaded the new card & drivers? OR... if you're
lucky, did Windoze automatically set one once it recognized you
had loaded in new hardware (as it often - but not always -
does)? If you can say yes to either one, then you can try
leaving the Matrox card in , but restore the system settings to
before the point you installed it... that might be enough for
you to be able to flash the BIOS, at least then proceed from
there.
If that doens't work i'd try installing your old video card,
resetting the system restore point to any recent highlighted
date prior to your installing the Matrox, rebooting, then
flashing the BIOS, then trying to install the new Matrox card
from scratch.
Neil
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Ok..........here's the deal. I get this P750 video card happening great
with
>2 x HDSP 9652's in the PCI slots and x UAD-1's in the Magma. Problem is,
>when I boot the computer, the post screen is a garbled bunch of hash. If
I
>try to enter the bios, this is also a garbled bunch of hash because it
>follows the post screen. Once I'm past post, the computer boots normally,
>but I need to be able to rtweak the bios so I decide that the bios may need
>to be updated. I install the ASUS utility that allows one to flash the bios
>from the Windows environment and load it to a floppy. then I launch the
>utility and try to flash from the floppy. The flash fails and I am prompted
>to close out of the utility. Well, guess what, my bios is now corrupted
and
>my screens go totally blank. I can't boot to my windows OS disk, Norton
>Ghost recovery disk or my mobo utility disk now. I guess I could clear the
>CMOS, but then I would need to see what was happening when the system comes
>back online in order to set the time, etc. or I'd be further hosed.
>
>I'm really hating this evil Matrox POS right about now. Had I not bought
it,
>I'd be making music, plain and simple.
>
>Anyone tell me how to get back to square 1?
>
>I'm really stumped.
>
>Deej
>
>***>Anyone tell me how to get back to square 1?***
Are you on WinXP??? If so, did you set a system restore point
before you loaded the new card & drivers? OR... if you're
lucky, did Windoze automatically set one once it recognized you
had loaded in new hardware (as it often - but not always -
does)? If you can say yes to either one, then you can try
leaving the Matrox card in , but restore the system settings to
before the point you installed it... that might be enough for
you to be able to flash the BIOS, at least then proceed from
there.
If that doens't work i'd try installing your old video card,
resetting the system restore point to any recent highlighted
date prior to your installing the Matrox, rebooting, then
flashing the BIOS, then trying to install the new Matrox card
from scratch.
Neil
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Ok..........here's the deal. I get this P750 video card happening great
with
>2 x HDSP 9652's in the PCI slots and x UAD-1's in the Magma. Problem is,
>when I boot the computer, the post screen is a garbled bunch of hash. If
I
>try to enter the bios, this is also a garbled bunch of hash because it
>follows the post screen. Once I'm past post, the computer boots normally,
>but I need to be able to rtweak the bios so I decide that the bios may need
>to be updated. I install the ASUS utility that allows one to flash the bios
>from the Windows environment and load it to a floppy. then I launch the
>utility and try to flash from the floppy. The flash fails and I am prompted
>to close out of the utility. Well, guess what, my bios is now corrupted
and
>my screens go totally blank. I can't boot to my windows OS disk, Norton
>Ghost recovery disk or my mobo utility disk now. I guess I could clear the
>CMOS, but then I would need to see what was happening when the system comes
>back online in order to set the time, etc. or I'd be further hosed.
>
>I'm really hating this evil Matrox POS right about now. Had I not bought
it,
>I'd be making music, plain and simple.
>
>Anyone tell me how to get back to square 1?
>
>I'm really stumped.
>
>Deej
>
>Won't even boot from a startup disk. It's like the AGP totally died or
something. I'm using my old G450 (the one that worked fine before I decided
to go with the newest, latest greatest) and it's dead too.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:444af4e4$1@linux...
> Ok..........here's the deal. I get this P750 video card happening great
with
> 2 x HDSP 9652's in the PCI slots and x UAD-1's in the Magma. Problem is,
> when I boot the computer, the post screen is a garbled bunch of hash. If I
> try to enter the bios, this is also a garbled bunch of hash because it
> follows the post screen. Once I'm past post, the computer boots normally,
> but I need to be able to rtweak the bios so I decide that the bios may
need
> to be updated. I install the ASUS utility that allows one to flash the
bios
> from the Windows environment and load it to a floppy. then I launch the
> utility and try to flash from the floppy. The flash fails and I am
prompted
> to close out of the utility. Well, guess what, my bios is now corrupted
and
> my screens go totally blank. I can't boot to my windows OS disk, Norton
> Ghost recovery disk or my mobo utility disk now. I guess I could clear the
> CMOS, but then I would need to see what was happening when the system
comes
> back online in order to set the time, etc. or I'd be further hosed.
>
> I'm really hating this evil Matrox POS right about now. Had I not bought
it,
> I'd be making music, plain and simple.
>
> Anyone tell me how to get back to square 1?
>
> I'm really stumped.
>
> Deej
>
>Don, I'm pretty sure it's zero. If not, it's at least close enough to it to
not be a problem for what it's used for.
Rod
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Is there any and if so what is it?
>
>Just wondering
>
>Don
>
>I checked the monitors just to make sure it wasn't a problem with them, they
work fine. I've tried using different video cards and a boot disk. I can
hear the floppy drive snag the boot disk, but there's no way to see what's
happening because the AGP slot is fucked. I've got a G450 PCI video card.
I'm going to give this a try.
Grrrrr............8O(
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:444af6a9$1@linux...
>
> ***>Anyone tell me how to get back to square 1?***
>
> Are you on WinXP??? If so, did you set a system restore point
> before you loaded the new card & drivers? OR... if you're
> lucky, did Windoze automatically set one once it recognized you
> had loaded in new hardware (as it often - but not always -
> does)? If you can say yes to either one, then you can try
> leaving the Matrox card in , but restore the system settings to
> before the point you installed it... that might be enough for
> you to be able to flash the BIOS, at least then proceed from
> there.
>
> If that doens't work i'd try installing your old video card,
> resetting the system restore point to any recent highlighted
> date prior to your installing the Matrox, rebooting, then
> flashing the BIOS, then trying to install the new Matrox card
> from scratch.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Ok..........here's the deal. I get this P750 video card happening great
> with
> >2 x HDSP 9652's in the PCI slots and x UAD-1's in the Magma. Problem is,
> >when I boot the computer, the post screen is a garbled bunch of hash. If
> I
> >try to enter the bios, this is also a garbled bunch of hash because it
> >follows the post screen. Once I'm past post, the computer boots normally,
> >but I need to be able to rtweak the bios so I decide that the bios may
need
> >to be updated. I install the ASUS utility that allows one to flash the
bios
> >from the Windows environment and load it to a floppy. then I launch the
> >utility and try to flash from the floppy. The flash fails and I am
prompted
> >to close out of the utility. Well, guess what, my bios is now corrupted
> and
> >my screens go totally blank. I can't boot to my windows OS disk, Norton
> >Ghost recovery disk or my mobo utility disk now. I guess I could clear
the
> >CMOS, but then I would need to see what was happening when the system
comes
> >back online in order to set the time, etc. or I'd be further hosed.
> >
> >I'm really hating this evil Matrox POS right about now. Had I not bought
> it,
> >I'd be making music, plain and simple.
> >
> >Anyone tell me how to get back to square 1?
> >
> >I'm really stumped.
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >
>Doesn't work either. I've got the two monitors I'm using with my SX rig on
A/B switches with the G450 ports on my Paris rig. Those work fine and when
switched to the Paris rig, the LED indicators on the monitors brighten
considerably. they just glow low, dull and dormant on the Cubase rig. I
really think the mobo is totally hosed. Unbelievable............completely
unbelievable.
I got this mobo and the Matrox P750 dirt cheap. I'm not whining about the $$
if this mobo is fried and I can probably sell the P750 for more than I paid
for it so I'm not really bitching too much........it's.more like this
coctail of drivers has piqued my curiosity. I've never put something
together that was more troublesome in my whole life so I'm intrigued.
I'll tell you what I discovered prior to this fiasco, because it is very
interesting. The P750 really does have some cool features, but it does not
play nicely with my Magma/UAD-1 cards. When I run the card at low resolution
and just use dual monitors, it's fine. when I bump the resolution in order
to use 3 screens (something that is necessary) the P750 goes to war with the
UAD-1 cards, even though there are no IRQ conflicts. Since the UAD cards are
basically PCI video cards, I'm really wondering if there might me some major
bandwith overlap somewhere. Once I got that somewhat stabilized by tweaking
the monitor rez, I added an RME Multiface PCI to the Magma. At that point
all hell broke loose and I got a blue screen. None of this stuff ever
happened when using my G450. For all the negative press the G450 gets when
used with the newer mobo's/chipsets, it's surprisingly
stable.......especially compared to this whizbang P750.
My goal is to get 3 x RME PCI cards and 4 x UAD-1 cards/Magma and dual core
CPU in a stable configuration. I intend to succeed at this. It may take a
while, but I'm not going to give up.
I'll tell you what though........this P750 may go by the boards. All it has
done is dole out some major grief.......at least with this mobo/chipset and
hardware configuration. It's got some major ugly all over it as far as
drivers go.
Stay tuned.
;o)
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:444b044b@linux...
> I checked the monitors just to make sure it wasn't a problem with them,
they
> work fine. I've tried using different video cards and a boot disk. I can
> hear the floppy drive snag the boot disk, but there's no way to see what's
> happening because the AGP slot is fucked. I've got a G450 PCI video card.
> I'm going to give this a try.
>
> Grrrrr............8O(
>
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:444af6a9$1@linux...
> >
> > ***>Anyone tell me how to get back to square 1?***
> >
> > Are you on WinXP??? If so, did you set a system restore point
> > before you loaded the new card & drivers? OR... if you're
> > lucky, did Windoze automatically set one once it recognized you
> > had loaded in new hardware (as it often - but not always -
> > does)? If you can say yes to either one, then you can try
> > leaving the Matrox card in , but restore the system settings to
> > before the point you installed it... that might be enough for
> > you to be able to flash the BIOS, at least then proceed from
> > there.
> >
> > If that doens't work i'd try installing your old video card,
> > resetting the system restore point to any recent highlighted
> > date prior to your installing the Matrox, rebooting, then
> > flashing the BIOS, then trying to install the new Matrox card
> > from scratch.
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> > >Ok..........here's the deal. I get this P750 video card happening great
> > with
> > >2 x HDSP 9652's in the PCI slots and x UAD-1's in the Magma. Problem
is,
> > >when I boot the computer, the post screen is a garbled bunch of hash.
If
> > I
> > >try to enter the bios, this is also a garbled bunch of hash because it
> > >follows the post screen. Once I'm past post, the computer boots
normally,
> > >but I need to be able to rtweak the bios so I decide that the bios may
> need
> > >to be updated. I install the ASUS utility that allows one to flash the
> bios
> > >from the Windows environment and load it to a floppy. then I launch the
> > >utility and try to flash from the floppy. The flash fails and I am
> prompted
> > >to close out of the utility. Well, guess what, my bios is now corrupted
> > and
> > >my screens go totally blank. I can't boot to my windows OS disk, Norton
> > >Ghost recovery disk or my mobo utility disk now. I guess I could clear
> the
> > >CMOS, but then I would need to see what was happening when the system
> comes
> > >back online in order to set the time, etc. or I'd be further hosed.
> > >
> > >I'm really hating this evil Matrox POS right about now. Had I not
bought
> > it,
> > >I'd be making music, plain and simple.
> > >
> > >Anyone tell me how to get back to square 1?
> > >
> > >I'm really stumped.
> > >
> > >Deej
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>Is there away to speed up or slow down paris with a stock pasris 2.1 sytem?
Can it be done with out changing pitc
thanks for any helpYou would have to have Paris locked to midi clock/song pointer in order to
do this. Paris doesn't sync to midi clock at all. If you want your song
tempo to vary, you'll need to just record straight audio into Paris or
record midi data that varies in tempo into a sequencer that is slaved to
Paris. In either event, Paris will be running at a steady clock speed/sample
rate. Just the recorded data will change tempo.
Deej
"hey I'm new" <new@nospam.com> wrote in message news:444b0e6f$1@linux...
>
> Is there away to speed up or slow down paris with a stock pasris 2.1
sytem?
> Can it be done with out changing pitc
>
> thanks for any helpI beg to differ Rod - I've had 4.x and higher introduce latencies that were
simply intolerable without moving the source material to compensate. What
version are you running? I recall 1.3 not being detectable but then again,
it was good for Cher'ing or very gentle correction.
I hate admit it but every once in a while, you get a backyard beagle who
wants to sound like Celine... and never will... but out comes 4.x with knobs
slammed against its stops to keep the wannabe in his/her delusion.
Dubya
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
> Don, I'm pretty sure it's zero. If not, it's at least close enough to it
> to
> not be a problem for what it's used for.
> RodSounds like you scrambled your BIOS dude. Is this mobo dual bios capable? Do
you have a PCI video card to try to suss out the issues on, then go back to
AGP?
AA
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:444aff44@linux...
> Won't even boot from a startup disk. It's like the AGP totally died or
> something. I'm using my old G450 (the one that worked fine before I
> decided
> to go with the newest, latest greatest) and it's dead too.
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:444af4e4$1@linux...
>> Ok..........here's the deal. I get this P750 video card happening great
> with
>> 2 x HDSP 9652's in the PCI slots and x UAD-1's in the Magma. Problem is,
>> when I boot the computer, the post screen is a garbled bunch of hash. If
>> I
>> try to enter the bios, this is also a garbled bunch of hash because it
>> follows the post screen. Once I'm past post, the computer boots normally,
>> but I need to be able to rtweak the bios so I decide that the bios may
> need
>> to be updated. I install the ASUS utility that allows one to flash the
> bios
>> from the Windows environment and load it to a floppy. then I launch the
>> utility and try to flash from the floppy. The flash fails and I am
> prompted
>> to close out of the utility. Well, guess what, my bios is now corrupted
> and
>> my screens go totally blank. I can't boot to my windows OS disk, Norton
>> Ghost recovery disk or my mobo utility disk now. I guess I could clear
>> the
>> CMOS, but then I would need to see what was happening when the system
> comes
>> back online in order to set the time, etc. or I'd be further hosed.
>>
>> I'm really hating this evil Matrox POS right about now. Had I not bought
> it,
>> I'd be making music, plain and simple.
>>
>> Anyone tell me how to get back to square 1?
>>
>> I'm really stumped.
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>
>
>
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.htmlThat's been my take on it. Different versions also seem to have different
latencies, but I never measured them scientifically. 1.3 is pretty forgiving
but somewhere around 3.x it started getting a little funny IIRC.
AA
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:444af4eb$1@linux...
>
> Hmm, I wonder if it's something like: the more out of tune a
> note is, the more latency is introduced?
>
> Neil
>
>
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>This site doesn't have the latency value but says the latency changes
>>continuously. WILD
>>
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/marcr
>>
>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>> Is there any and if so what is it?
>>>
>>> Just wondering
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.htmlThe reason I ask is if I try BT's DVD trick nothing lines up...it used to...
UH....unless of course Waves RenComp is making this happen....Duh hadn't
thought about that!
Gonna have to check this out
D-uh-n
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:444adb47$1@linux...
> Is there any and if so what is it?
>
> Just wondering
>
> Don
>Deej, flashing the bios is tricky business. I remember when I flashed mine
sometime back, reading that if the procedure is aborted or if there is a
power failure during the flash that the bois would be unrecoverable. I don't
know but maybe there is a utility that can salvage the bios? Bummer.
Rich
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:444af4e4$1@linux...
> Ok..........here's the deal. I get this P750 video card happening great
with
> 2 x HDSP 9652's in the PCI slots and x UAD-1's in the Magma. Problem is,
> when I boot the computer, the post screen is a garbled bunch of hash. If I
> try to enter the bios, this is also a garbled bunch of hash because it
> follows the post screen. Once I'm past post, the computer boots normally,
> but I need to be able to rtweak the bios so I decide that the bios may
need
> to be updated. I install the ASUS utility that allows one to flash the
bios
> from the Windows environment and load it to a floppy. then I launch the
> utility and try to flash from the floppy. The flash fails and I am
prompted
> to close out of the utility. Well, guess what, my bios is now corrupted
and
> my screens go totally blank. I can't boot to my windows OS disk, Norton
> Ghost recovery disk or my mobo utility disk now. I guess I could clear the
> CMOS, but then I would need
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m@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Wwwwwell, I don't know about the Layla for sure so I'll make an assumption
>(that will probably cause my foot to fly into my mouth at some point) but
>I'll take a wild crack at it Kip.
>
>Ok, first things first... you must use a BNC cable of quality going from
>your MEC a to MEC b.. 'must do this'. Otherwise MEC b bites it on syncing.
>
>From there is where it gets a little cloudy on what you have/are trying
to
>accomplish.
>My assumptions are: That you are 48k across the board on all cards, and
>that the Layla has a S/PDIF input that will accept/slave to external
>clocking.
>
>That being the case, take the S/PDIF out on the MEC a, and push it (with
a
>quality RCA cable, of course) to the Layla, set the layla for external
>clock,. return it to Paris MEC S/PDIF in (routed to place of your choice)
>and you should be good to go man - if I understand what you're trying to
do
>correctly.
>
>If there is any other hardware, software or purpose in this equation, speak
>now that my foot is poised for entry :)
>
>AA
>
>
>"Kip" <fender36@cox.net> wrote in message news:444d4b9e$1@linux...
>>
>> Can someone explain how i would hook this up with the BNC cables and
>> t-adapters
>> and a terminator.
>> 2 Mecs and a Layla24/96 Wordclock Sync ??
>> or with just 2 mecs, do i have to go from mec A out to mec B in
>> and mec b out to Mec A in with BNC
>> cause i recorded a whole project at 48KHz and when i use autotune on
>> vocals
>> which i comped, at 48KHz i have to set the scaletune down about 18-20
>> cents.
>>
>> Something wire here and i can't figure it out
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>
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....as said on their home site: "Coming soon"...;-)
http://www.tascam.com/Products/x48.html
cheers,
Erling
"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> skrev i melding =
news:444d239a@linux...
there's a ton of links in Froogle so I'm gonna assume some one has one =
somewhere...lol
jef
rick wrote:=20
i don't think it's even out yet or at least i have not seen one
comment or question from a user on any forum.
On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:13:36 -0400, jef knight
<thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
I'm trying to help 2 different fellas put together their home studios. =
One is a musician who'll be just doing his own stuff and one is a guy=20
switching from a fostex 1" 16track that he's been demoing small acts=20
with. They've both got no clue about the computer world - at all - and=20
digital scares them, so naturally they've been looking at more fostex=20
stuff, like the 24track rackmount.
I don't think this unit will serve either of them very well and will=20
take an additional amound of outboard gear to make it work, effectively=20
cancelling out any savings they'd be getting with this inexpensive deck.
So, I ran across this cute lil' number=20
http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2005/X-48.html.=20
<http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2005/X-48.html>
It seems like the cat's meow for a small setup. Have any of you=20
guys/gals any experience/knowledge about this you can share?
cheers,
jef
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>cheers,</FONT></DIV>
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skrev i melding <A=20
href=3D"news:444d239a@linux">news:444d239a@linux</A>...</DIV>there's a =
ton of=20
links in Froogle so I'm gonna assume some one has one=20
somewhere...lol<BR>jef<BR><BR>rick wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3Dmidi44p4215obh6ff225bkj8kuemgsdgcu5i9@4ax.com =
type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">i don't think it's even out yet or at least =
i have not seen one
comment or question from a user on any forum.
On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:13:36 -0400, jef knight
<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com"><thestudio@allknightmusic=
..com></A> wrote:
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">I'm trying to help 2 =
different fellas put together their home studios.=20
One is a musician who'll be just doing his own stuff and one is a guy=20
switching from a fostex 1" 16track that he's been demoing small acts=20
with. They've both got no clue about the computer world - at all - and=20
digital scares them, so naturally they've been looking at more fostex=20
stuff, like the 24track rackmount.
I don't think this unit will serve either of them very well and will=20
take an additional amound of outboard gear to make it work, effectively=20
cancelling out any savings they'd be getting with this inexpensive deck.
So, I ran across this cute lil' number=20
<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =
href=3D"http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2005/X-48.html">http://news.=
harmony-central.com/Newp/2005/X-48.html</A>.=20
<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"
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