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http://www.hartdynamics.tv/video/QT_HS_VIDEO/drumsets/HART_S TUDIO_MASTER_6-4
_TD12.html
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168891070 01R
I've been keeping an eye on the above item. It may work with your situation
pushing behind the audio monitors.
I would check it out at your local stores first so you could return it if it
sucks.
Be sure and read through the Newegg.com reviews as there are a few tricks to
get the proper settings through an on screen menu.
YMMV...
Regards,
El Miguel
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:445abf3a$1@linux...
>
> Hi all,
>
> I dumped the big KK desk and went back to good speaker stands and minimal
> furniture.
>
> Ikea rocks!
> I found a cool patio table made of beautiful wood that is not solid.
> It is made of individual boards with openings between them, so it
> does not act as a solid reflector.
>
> Here it is:
>
http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay ?catalogId=10103&storeId=12&langId=-1&productId= 17580
>
> It is very solid and doesn't wiggle at all. I haven't measured the
> monitors with everything in place yet, but I listened to music as
> I was putting it all together and did not hear anything strange
> happening.
>
> Holy cow! The monitors sound very much better!
> I am listening to the net feed from KUSC.org and it just shines.
> I am very happy. Now I need to setup the sub with the analyzer
> and get this record mixed.
>
> I will post a pic as soon as I can.
>
> BTW, I am thinking of losing the computer monitor too and hanging
> a decent data projector and a screen behind the monitors. Any of
> you work using a projector? Comments?
>
> TIA
>
> DC
>I'm really don't want a dedicated computer for drums so, are there any expandable
sound modules that have DW quality drums and such where I can edit them (volumes/pans)
through midi and add sounds to them? Ideally I'd like a dozen different
kits with pro rock and jazz kits and a few kits with wacky sounds.
Also, what electronic drum kits are the best for realistic hi-hats?
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Hart dynamics are as good as they come. as for the sounds on the TD 12
>module, you will need to tweak them a bit and for me electronics still sound
>fake but I am being incredible picky when I say that.
>
>In reality you'll have more control over your drums, use fewer tracks, be
>able to easily alter drum tracks and as long as 1) the drums aren't
>incredibly prominent and 2) you learn how to tweak them, they can be a quite
>realistic replacement for acoustic drums.
>
>That being said you may want to look into BFD and/or DKFH as an
>accompaniment to this kit
>
>YMMV
>
>Don
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44674516$1@linux...
>>
>> I'm looking for a stand alone system with great rock / jazz drum sets.
>> Any
>> ideas? I like the demo of this drumset but don't know if their sounds
>> are
>> any good.
>>
>> http://www.hartdynamics.tv/video/QT_HS_VIDEO/drumsets/HART_S TUDIO_MASTER_6-4_TD12.html
>
>
>If you're picky about the sound of cymbals hihats etc I think most will
disappoint you, of course YMMV.
the TD 20, ddrum etc are the top of the line (read $$$$) and the TD20 has
room for dozens of kits so I'd start my search there...also look at the
Roland pads they're not too shabby.
And Deej - Pierre at Hart is now recommending th new line of Roland drum
triggers as the best on the market...in fact he raved about them
Don
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44676c05$1@linux...
>
> I'm really don't want a dedicated computer for drums so, are there any
> expandable
> sound modules that have DW quality drums and such where I can edit them
> (volumes/pans)
> through midi and add sounds to them? Ideally I'd like a dozen different
> kits with pro rock and jazz kits and a few kits with wacky sounds.
>
> Also, what electronic drum kits are the best for realistic hi-hats?
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>Hart dynamics are as good as they come. as for the sounds on the TD 12
>>module, you will need to tweak them a bit and for me electronics still
>>sound
>
>>fake but I am being incredible picky when I say that.
>>
>>In reality you'll have more control over your drums, use fewer tracks, be
>
>>able to easily alter drum tracks and as long as 1) the drums aren't
>>incredibly prominent and 2) you learn how to tweak them, they can be a
>>quite
>
>>realistic replacement for acoustic drums.
>>
>>That being said you may want to look into BFD and/or DKFH as an
>>accompaniment to this kit
>>
>>YMMV
>>
>>Don
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44674516$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a stand alone system with great rock / jazz drum sets.
>
>>> Any
>>> ideas? I like the demo of this drumset but don't know if their sounds
>
>>> are
>>> any good.
>>>
>>> http://www.hartdynamics.tv/video/QT_HS_VIDEO/drumsets/HART_S TUDIO_MASTER_6-4_TD12.html
>>
>>
>>
>And it doesn't appear that the Rolands let you load samples. So if you get
tired of the sounds you're screwed.
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>If you're picky about the sound of cymbals hihats etc I think most will
>disappoint you, of course YMMV.
>
>the TD 20, ddrum etc are the top of the line (read $$$$) and the TD20 has
>room for dozens of kits so I'd start my search there...also look at the
>Roland pads they're not too shabby.
>
>And Deej - Pierre at Hart is now recommending th new line of Roland drum
>triggers as the best on the market...in fact he raved about them
>
>Don
>
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44676c05$1@linux...
>>
>> I'm really don't want a dedicated computer for drums so, are there any
>> expandable
>> sound modules that have DW quality drums and such where I can edit them
>> (volumes/pans)
>> through midi and add sounds to them? Ideally I'd like a dozen different
>> kits with pro rock and jazz kits and a few kits with wacky sounds.
>>
>> Also, what electronic drum kits are the best for realistic hi-hats?
>>
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>Hart dynamics are as good as they come. as for the sounds on the TD 12
>>>module, you will need to tweak them a bit and for me electronics still
>>>sound
>>
>>>fake but I am being incredible picky when I say that.
>>>
>>>In reality you'll have more control over your drums, use fewer tracks,
be
>>
>>>able to easily alter drum tracks and as long as 1) the drums aren't
>>>incredibly prominent and 2) you learn how to tweak them, they can be a
>>>quite
>>
>>>realistic replacement for acoustic drums.
>>>
>>>That being said you may want to look into BFD and/or DKFH as an
>>>accompaniment to this kit
>>>
>>>YMMV
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44674516$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for a stand alone system with great rock / jazz drum sets.
>>
>>>> Any
>>>> ideas? I like the demo of this drumset but don't know if their sounds
>>
>>>> are
>>>> any good.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.hartdynamics.tv/video/QT_HS_VIDEO/drumsets/HART_S TUDIO_MASTER_6-4_TD12.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Happy Birthday to You, Happy Birthday to You, Happy Birthday dear Dave,
Happy Birthday to You.
Rich
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4466c8e8$1@linux...
>
> Hey Dave! Happy Birthday!
>
> James
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I'll bet we can find some online strippers and have a party........oh
> >wait......that's for getting married, I think.
> >
> >
>Did I just miss the deal of the decade? http://tinyurl.com/zjok9
John wrote:
> And it doesn't appear that the Rolands let you load samples. So if you get
> tired of the sounds you're screwed.
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>
>>If you're picky about the sound of cymbals hihats etc I think most will
>
>
>>disappoint you, of course YMMV.
>>
>>the TD 20, ddrum etc are the top of the line (read $$$$) and the TD20 has
>
>
>>room for dozens of kits so I'd start my search there...also look at the
>
>
>>Roland pads they're not too shabby.
>>
>>And Deej - Pierre at Hart is now recommending th new line of Roland drum
>
>
>>triggers as the best on the market...in fact he raved about them
>>
>>Don
>>
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44676c05$1@linux...
>>
>>>I'm really don't want a dedicated computer for drums so, are there any
>
>
>>>expandable
>>>sound modules that have DW quality drums and such where I can edit them
>
>
>>>(volumes/pans)
>>>through midi and add sounds to them? Ideally I'd like a dozen different
>>>kits with pro rock and jazz kits and a few kits with wacky sounds.
>>>
>>>Also, what electronic drum kits are the best for realistic hi-hats?
>>>
>>>
>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hart dynamics are as good as they come. as for the sounds on the TD 12
>>>>module, you will need to tweak them a bit and for me electronics still
>
>
>>>>sound
>>>
>>>>fake but I am being incredible picky when I say that.
>>>>
>>>>In reality you'll have more control over your drums, use fewer tracks,
>
> be
>
>>>>able to easily alter drum tracks and as long as 1) the drums aren't
>>>>incredibly prominent and 2) you learn how to tweak them, they can be a
>
>
>>>>quite
>>>
>>>>realistic replacement for acoustic drums.
>>>>
>>>>That being said you may want to look into BFD and/or DKFH as an
>>>>accompaniment to this kit
>>>>
>>>>YMMV
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44674516$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>I'm looking for a stand alone system with great rock / jazz drum sets.
>>>
>>>>>Any
>>>>>ideas? I like the demo of this drumset but don't know if their sounds
>>>
>>>>>are
>>>>>any good.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.hartdynamics.tv/video/QT_HS_VIDEO/drumsets/HART_S TUDIO_MASTER_6-4_TD12.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>Hi
No it is simplier !!
!> Put on aux 1 a compressor.
set on each audio track to use compression as prefader.
Put the fader all the way down.
Then from EDS plugins choose wire out and put that after compressor on next
slot on aux.
Then choose any track in your submix and put a eds effect named "wire in"
Now you have the return of you aux1 on a paris audio track and can use eq
fader automation tricks, whatever...
Remember to close the aux1 return knob !
Hope this helps,
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>I'm reposting this because I can't resolve this in the original thread.
In
>other words my mail server won't let me post this in the original thread,
>(CJG 5/11/2006 7:35PM).
>
>Dimitrios, I'm not sure I understand exactly what your suggesting here.
>Correct me if I'm wrong. Anyone else want to chime in?
>
>1. Choose compressor in say Aux 1.
>2. Set Aux 1 in all the drum tracks to Pre Fader.
>3. Send the return(s) of Aux 1 to an unused track(s), depending on mono
or
>stereo or,
>4. Patch the signal, with cables, physically out of the 8 out card and back
>into a free audio track(s)
>5. Eq and automate your compressed drum tracks in the new track(s)
>
>Do I have it right?
>
>Rich
>
>eq fader automation effects? what eq automation?
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Hi
>No it is simplier !!
>
>!> Put on aux 1 a compressor.
>set on each audio track to use compression as prefader.
>Put the fader all the way down.
>Then from EDS plugins choose wire out and put that after compressor on next
>slot on aux.
>Then choose any track in your submix and put a eds effect named "wire in"
>Now you have the return of you aux1 on a paris audio track and can use eq
>fader automation tricks, whatever...
>Remember to close the aux1 return knob !
>
>Hope this helps,
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>>I'm reposting this because I can't resolve this in the original thread.
>In
>>other words my mail server won't let me post this in the original thread,
>>(CJG 5/11/2006 7:35PM).
>>
>>Dimitrios, I'm not sure I understand exactly what your suggesting here.
>>Correct me if I'm wrong. Anyone else want to chime in?
>>
>>1. Choose compressor in say Aux 1.
>>2. Set Aux 1 in all the drum tracks to Pre Fader.
>>3. Send the return(s) of Aux 1 to an unused track(s), depending on mono
>or
>>stereo or,
>>4. Patch the signal, with cables, physically out of the 8 out card and
back
>>into a free audio track(s)
>>5. Eq and automate your compressed drum tracks in the new track(s)
>>
>>Do I have it right?
>>
>>Rich
>>
>>
>I was working on a project the other day and suddenly discovered that all
of my eds effect presets where missing. What happened? I am running paris
3.0 on an XP machine. Someone please give me some direction or solutions.
ThanksDimitrios, Happy Greek Weekend! Is this what you mean?
For example....If your audio is on channel 1
Put a compressor on aux1
Set channel 1 to send to aux1 pre-fader.
Put the fader all the way down on channel 1
From EDS plugins choose wire out on the next slot of aux1 below the compressor
On channel 2 add eds effect "wire in".
Now you have the return of your aux1 on paris audio channel 2
Remember to close the aux1 return knob.
Also, you can't automate EQ right?
Thanks,
John
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Hi
>No it is simplier !!
>
>!> Put on aux 1 a compressor.
>set on each audio track to use compression as prefader.
>Put the fader all the way down.
>Then from EDS plugins choose wire out and put that after compressor on next
>slot on aux.
>Then choose any track in your submix and put a eds effect named "wire in"
>Now you have the return of you aux1 on a paris audio track and can use eq
>fader automation tricks, whatever...
>Remember to close the aux1 return knob !
>
>Hope this helps,
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>>I'm reposting this because I can't resolve this in the original thread.
>In
>>other words my mail server won't let me post this in the original thread,
>>(CJG 5/11/2006 7:35PM).
>>
>>Dimitrios, I'm not sure I understand exactly what your suggesting here.
>>Correct me if I'm wrong. Anyone else want to chime in?
>>
>>1. Choose compressor in say Aux 1.
>>2. Set Aux 1 in all the drum tracks to Pre Fader.
>>3. Send the return(s) of Aux 1 to an unused track(s), depending on mono
>or
>>stereo or,
>>4. Patch the signal, with cables, physically out of the 8 out card and
back
>>into a free audio track(s)
>>5. Eq and automate your compressed drum tracks in the new track(s)
>>
>>Do I have it right?
>>
>>Rich
>>
>>
>Do you have PARIS_fx.var in your C:\Program Files\Ensoniq\Paris ?
"audio ike" <isaias440@aol.com> wrote:
>
>I was working on a project the other day and suddenly discovered that all
>of my eds effect presets where missing. What happened? I am running paris
>3.0 on an XP machine. Someone please give me some direction or solutions.
>Thanks
>yes
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44677dd5@linux...
> Did I just miss the deal of the decade? http://tinyurl.com/zjok9
>
> John wrote:
> > And it doesn't appear that the Rolands let you load samples. So if you
get
> > tired of the sounds you're screwed.
> >
> > "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
> >
> >>If you're picky about the sound of cymbals hihats etc I think most will
> >
> >
> >>disappoint you, of course YMMV.
> >>
> >>the TD 20, ddrum etc are the top of the line (read $$$$) and the TD20
has
> >
> >
> >>room for dozens of kits so I'd start my search there...also look at the
> >
> >
> >>Roland pads they're not too shabby.
> >>
> >>And Deej - Pierre at Hart is now recommending th new line of Roland drum
> >
> >
> >>triggers as the best on the market...in fact he raved about them
> >>
> >>Don
> >>
> >>
> >>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44676c05$1@linux...
> >>
> >>>I'm really don't want a dedicated computer for drums so, are there any
> >
> >
> >>>expandable
> >>>sound modules that have DW quality drums and such where I can edit them
> >
> >
> >>>(volumes/pans)
> >>>through midi and add sounds to them? Ideally I'd like a dozen
different
> >>>kits with pro rock and jazz kits and a few kits with wacky sounds.
> >>>
> >>>Also, what electronic drum kits are the best for realistic hi-hats?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Hart dynamics are as good as they come. as for the sounds on the TD 12
> >>>>module, you will need to tweak them a bit and for me electronics still
> >
> >
> >>>>sound
> >>>
> >>>>fake but I am being incredible picky when I say that.
> >>>>
> >>>>In reality you'll have more control over your drums, use fewer tracks,
> >
> > be
> >
> >>>>able to easily alter drum tracks and as long as 1) the drums aren't
> >>>>incredibly prominent and 2) you learn how to tweak them, they can be a
> >
> >
> >>>>quite
> >>>
> >>>>realistic replacement for acoustic drums.
> >>>>
> >>>>That being said you may want to look into BFD and/or DKFH as an
> >>>>accompaniment to this kit
> >>>>
> >>>>YMMV
> >>>>
> >>>>Don
> >>>>
> >>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44674516$1@linux...
> >>>>
> >>>>>I'm looking for a stand alone system with great rock / jazz drum
sets.
> >>>
> >>>>>Any
> >>>>>ideas? I like the demo of this drumset but don't know if their
sounds
> >>>
> >>>>>are
> >>>>>any good.
> >>>>>
>
>>>>> http://www.hartdynamics.tv/video/QT_HS_VIDEO/drumsets/HART_S TUDIO_MASTE
R_6-4_TD12.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >Actually only the ddrum brain allows you to sample (I think)...the other
option would be buying the pads and picking up an Akai MPC 2000 or
3000...which I believe allow you to load all sorts of samples
Don
ps. yes that was the steal of the century
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44677633$1@linux...
>
> And it doesn't appear that the Rolands let you load samples. So if you get
> tired of the sounds you're screwed.
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>If you're picky about the sound of cymbals hihats etc I think most will
>
>>disappoint you, of course YMMV.
>>
>>the TD 20, ddrum etc are the top of the line (read $$$$) and the TD20 has
>
>>room for dozens of kits so I'd start my search there...also look at the
>
>>Roland pads they're not too shabby.
>>
>>And Deej - Pierre at Hart is now recommending th new line of Roland drum
>
>>triggers as the best on the market...in fact he raved about them
>>
>>Don
>>
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44676c05$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I'm really don't want a dedicated computer for drums so, are there any
>
>>> expandable
>>> sound modules that have DW quality drums and such where I can edit them
>
>>> (volumes/pans)
>>> through midi and add sounds to them? Ideally I'd like a dozen different
>>> kits with pro rock and jazz kits and a few kits with wacky sounds.
>>>
>>> Also, what electronic drum kits are the best for realistic hi-hats?
>>>
>>>
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>Hart dynamics are as good as they come. as for the sounds on the TD 12
>>>>module, you will need to tweak them a bit and for me electronics still
>
>>>>sound
>>>
>>>>fake but I am being incredible picky when I say that.
>>>>
>>>>In reality you'll have more control over your drums, use fewer tracks,
> be
>>>
>>>>able to easily alter drum tracks and as long as 1) the drums aren't
>>>>incredibly prominent and 2) you learn how to tweak them, they can be a
>
>>>>quite
>>>
>>>>realistic replacement for acoustic drums.
>>>>
>>>>That being said you may want to look into BFD and/or DKFH as an
>>>>accompaniment to this kit
>>>>
>>>>YMMV
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44674516$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for a stand alone system with great rock / jazz drum sets.
>>>
>>>>> Any
>>>>> ideas? I like the demo of this drumset but don't know if their
>>>>> sounds
>>>
>>>>> are
>>>>> any good.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.hartdynamics.tv/video/QT_HS_VIDEO/drumsets/HART_S TUDIO_MASTER_6-4_TD12.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>I was recently sent a list that I am trying to confirm or deny. There are
quite a few smart cats here.. anyone seen this yet or can validate it?
AA
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I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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My DM Pro allows me to purchase a blank 8 Mb card and load my own samples in
it. If there is another hardware drum specific machine/unit that allows this
I am not aware of it... with stuff out there like Drumagog I don't expect
that to change. One could however, do what you're saying with the MPC and a
drum trigger convertor.. which opens a whole world up. The closest thing to
that I know of is the SPD series from Roland.
And yes, that was a good find on the roland kit John.
AA
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:44679a4b$1@linux...
> Actually only the ddrum brain allows you to sample (I think)...the other
> option would be buying the pads and picking up an Akai MPC 2000 or
> 3000...which I believe allow you to load all sorts of samples
>
> Don
>
> ps. yes that was the steal of the century
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44677633$1@linux...
>>
>> And it doesn't appear that the Rolands let you load samples. So if you
>> get
>> tired of the sounds you're screwed.
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>If you're picky about the sound of cymbals hihats etc I think most will
>>
>>>disappoint you, of course YMMV.
>>>
>>>the TD 20, ddrum etc are the top of the line (read $$$$) and the TD20 has
>>
>>>room for dozens of kits so I'd start my search there...also look at the
>>
>>>Roland pads they're not too shabby.
>>>
>>>And Deej - Pierre at Hart is now recommending th new line of Roland drum
>>
>>>triggers as the best on the market...in fact he raved about them
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>
>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44676c05$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I'm really don't want a dedicated computer for drums so, are there any
>>
>>>> expandable
>>>> sound modules that have DW quality drums and such where I can edit them
>>
>>>> (volumes/pans)
>>>> through midi and add sounds to them? Ideally I'd like a dozen
>>>> different
>>>> kits with pro rock and jazz kits and a few kits with wacky sounds.
>>>>
>>>> Also, what electronic drum kits are the best for realistic hi-hats?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>Hart dynamics are as good as they come. as for the sounds on the TD 12
>>>>>module, you will need to tweak them a bit and for me electronics still
>>
>>>>>sound
>>>>
>>>>>fake but I am being incredible picky when I say that.
>>>>>
>>>>>In reality you'll have more control over your drums, use fewer tracks,
>> be
>>>>
>>>>>able to easily alter drum tracks and as long as 1) the drums aren't
>>>>>incredibly prominent and 2) you learn how to tweak them, they can be a
>>
>>>>>quite
>>>>
>>>>>realistic replacement for acoustic drums.
>>>>>
>>>>>That being said you may want to look into BFD and/or DKFH as an
>>>>>accompaniment to this kit
>>>>>
>>>>>YMMV
>>>>>
>>>>>Don
>>>>>
>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44674516$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking for a stand alone system with great rock / jazz drum
>>>>>> sets.
>>>>
>>>>>> Any
>>>>>> ideas? I like the demo of this drumset but don't know if their
>>>>>> sounds
>>>>
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> any good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.hartdynamics.tv/video/QT_HS_VIDEO/drumsets/HART_S TUDIO_MASTER_6-4_TD12.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.htmlHi,
I am pretty new to Paris, using it for about a year now and Ilove it. When
I had problems or questions, I always found an answer in
the NG archives. But this time I really need your advice because
I'm out of ideas.
I've got this Gold Bundle from Kjaerhus and it works and sounds
great with Wavelab. But on Paris the meters don't work and the
parameters go back to default every time I pop it up during a
session. Sonically it works: I can do changes which I can hear,
but the next time I pop it up, all parameters are back to zero.
Sonically the parameters are not affected, I still hear the same
sound as I adjusted, but graphically all jumps back to default,
and still no meter activity.
Does anybody has experience with this behavior or is someone
successfully using these plugins with Paris?
I hope somebody can understand my problem, my english lessons are
pretty far away...
I'm running Paris 3.0 under Win98.
Thanks Simonwell dave...if that's your real name...happy b sumnabeeeeee
On Sat, 13 May 2006 16:33:31 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'll bet we can find some online strippers and have a party........oh
>wait......that's for getting married, I think.
>You probably need a direct X wrapper. I know this problem existed for UAD
users also, and the wrapper resolved it in that case.
FXpansion is a good place to start. VST-DX Adapter versions 3 and 3.3 are
known to work well with Paris.. I think version 4 was a bust IIRC. You may
have to contact the developer directly to see about buying the older
version. I believe his name/spelling is Angus Hewlett, though I believe he
sold or licensed out the rights of use on it to Cakewalk last I'd heard.
You might find useful info here:
http://www.em411.com/show/interview/26/1/angus_f_hewlett_of_ fxpansion.html\
If not, google on, I'm sure it's out there how to contact Angus. He's a cool
dude. You might get through at info@fxpansion.com as well.
AA
"Simon" <hexagometer@gmx.net> wrote in message news:44679cb8$1@linux...
>
> Hi,
>
> I am pretty new to Paris, using it for about a year now and Ilove it. When
> I had problems or questions, I always found an answer in
> the NG archives. But this time I really need your advice because
> I'm out of ideas.
>
> I've got this Gold Bundle from Kjaerhus and it works and sounds
> great with Wavelab. But on Paris the meters don't work and the
> parameters go back to default every time I pop it up during a
> session. Sonically it works: I can do changes which I can hear,
> but the next time I pop it up, all parameters are back to zero.
> Sonically the parameters are not affected, I still hear the same
> sound as I adjusted, but graphically all jumps back to default,
> and still no meter activity.
>
>
> Does anybody has experience with this behavior or is someone
> successfully using these plugins with Paris?
>
> I hope somebody can understand my problem, my english lessons are
> pretty far away...
> I'm running Paris 3.0 under Win98.
>
> Thanks Simon
>
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:44674987$1@linux...
But on a deeper level, it's a good example of what the enemy of
> souls desires for each of us.
>
What? Dick Cheney wants us to listen to weird techno music?
SarahUsually when things try so hard to be disturbing, they're kind of silly. I
suppose if it was really LOUD and I was 19 and on ecstacy, it might be just
thrilling. But since I'm 20 now . . .
Sarah
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4466b5e8@linux...
> http://www.myspace.com/gnetic
>
> I'm just not getting this................or maybe I am and just don't want
> to.
>
> Maybe I need to get out more or something.
>
>I have attached the last known-to-work FXPansion VST.DX wrapper. This should
allow you to use VST plugins normally.
"Simon" <hexagometer@gmx.net> wrote in message news:44679cb8$1@linux...
>
> Hi,
>
> I am pretty new to Paris, using it for about a year now and Ilove it. When
> I had problems or questions, I always found an answer in
> the NG archives. But this time I really need your advice because
> I'm out of ideas.
>
> I've got this Gold Bundle from Kjaerhus and it works and sounds
> great with Wavelab. But on Paris the meters don't work and the
> parameters go back to default every time I pop it up during a
> session. Sonically it works: I can do changes which I can hear,
> but the next time I pop it up, all parameters are back to zero.
> Sonically the parameters are not affected, I still hear the same
> sound as I adjusted, but graphically all jumps back to default,
> and still no meter activity.
>
>
> Does anybody has experience with this behavior or is someone
> successfully using these plugins with Paris?
>
> I hope somebody can understand my problem, my english lessons are
> pretty far away...
> I'm running Paris 3.0 under Win98.
>
> Thanks Simon
>
Neil, I was being ironic . . . pretending I didn't get it because DJ implied
that only old folks would get it. But very nice job on the encyclopedic
explanation. :)
Sarah
www.sarahtonin.com/wayward.htm
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4466cb58$1@linux...
>
>>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>That is hilarious. Er . . . . I mean . . . uh, what? I don't
>>get it?
>
> Alice Kramden (played by Audrey Meadows) - wife of Ralph
> Kramden (portrayed by Jackie Gleason)... one half of
> "The Honeymooners" (old TV show, which started out as a
> series of skits on the Jackie Gleason Show); husband Ralph
> would always threaten to "send her to the moon" when she'd say
> something he disliked, and would demonstrate just how he
> planned on doing so by shaking his fist at her while saying:
> "I'm gonna send you right to the moon, Alice" or sometimes more
> simply: "To the moon, Alice... to the moon".
>
> In later episodes, the phrase: "To the moon, Alice" was often
> substituted with the more concise: "Bang, ZOOM!!!", accentuated
> by arm movments corresponding with each action... the
> vocalized sound effects of: "bang" and "zoom" indicating the
> impact of the aforementioned bitchslap, and her subsequent and
> rapid ascension to the celestial body in question, respectively.
> The assumption was that everyone on the planet had seen "The
> Honeymooners" by that time, so a simple "Bang, ZOOM!!!" was
> enough to convey Ralph's intentions to the entire audience.
>
> :)The loud part of it doesn't bother me at all.
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:4467a962$2@linux...
> Usually when things try so hard to be disturbing, they're kind of silly.
I
> suppose if it was really LOUD and I was 19 and on ecstacy, it might be
just
> thrilling. But since I'm 20 now . . .
>
> Sarah
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:4466b5e8@linux...
> > http://www.myspace.com/gnetic
> >
> > I'm just not getting this................or maybe I am and just don't
want
> > to.
> >
> > Maybe I need to get out more or something.
> >
> >
>
>Ah forgot about the DM Pro
dcn
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:44679c53@linux...
> Not so fast :)
>
> My DM Pro allows me to purchase a blank 8 Mb card and load my own samples
> in it. If there is another hardware drum specific machine/unit that allows
> this I am not aware of it... with stuff out there like Drumagog I don't
> expect that to change. One could however, do what you're saying with the
> MPC and a drum trigger convertor.. which opens a whole world up. The
> closest thing to that I know of is the SPD series from Roland.
>
> And yes, that was a good find on the roland kit John.
>
> AA
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:44679a4b$1@linux...
>> Actually only the ddrum brain allows you to sample (I think)...the other
>> option would be buying the pads and picking up an Akai MPC 2000 or
>> 3000...which I believe allow you to load all sorts of samples
>>
>> Don
>>
>> ps. yes that was the steal of the century
>>
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44677633$1@linux...
>>>
>>> And it doesn't appear that the Rolands let you load samples. So if you
>>> get
>>> tired of the sounds you're screwed.
>>>
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>If you're picky about the sound of cymbals hihats etc I think most will
>>>
>>>>disappoint you, of course YMMV.
>>>>
>>>>the TD 20, ddrum etc are the top of the line (read $$$$) and the TD20
>>>>has
>>>
>>>>room for dozens of kits so I'd start my search there...also look at the
>>>
>>>>Roland pads they're not too shabby.
>>>>
>>>>And Deej - Pierre at Hart is now recommending th new line of Roland drum
>>>
>>>>triggers as the best on the market...in fact he raved about them
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44676c05$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm really don't want a dedicated computer for drums so, are there any
>>>
>>>>> expandable
>>>>> sound modules that have DW quality drums and such where I can edit
>>>>> them
>>>
>>>>> (volumes/pans)
>>>>> through midi and add sounds to them? Ideally I'd like a dozen
>>>>> different
>>>>> kits with pro rock and jazz kits and a few kits with wacky sounds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, what electronic drum kits are the best for realistic hi-hats?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>Hart dynamics are as good as they come. as for the sounds on the TD 12
>>>>>>module, you will need to tweak them a bit and for me electronics still
>>>
>>>>>>sound
>>>>>
>>>>>>fake but I am being incredible picky when I say that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In reality you'll have more control over your drums, use fewer tracks,
>>> be
>>>>>
>>>>>>able to easily alter drum tracks and as long as 1) the drums aren't
>>>>>>incredibly prominent and 2) you learn how to tweak them, they can be a
>>>
>>>>>>quite
>>>>>
>>>>>>realistic replacement for acoustic drums.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That being said you may want to look into BFD and/or DKFH as an
>>>>>>accompaniment to this kit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>YMMV
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44674516$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm looking for a stand alone system with great rock / jazz drum
>>>>>>> sets.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any
>>>>>>> ideas? I like the demo of this drumset but don't know if their
>>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> any good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.hartdynamics.tv/video/QT_HS_VIDEO/drumsets/HART_S TUDIO_MASTER_6-4_TD12.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>On 11 May 2006 15:05:22 +1000, "DC" <dc@spamyermama.com> wrote:
>
>Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>
>>Dood.... there's only one monitor. WTF is up with that????
>>
>>pab
>
>
>I am out of card slots, and there are no more G3 2-head cards, so
>I run everything at 1600 x 1024 and arrange things in a clever
>fashion... snork..
>
OK, I'll let you slide.
>DC
>
>How's your theater? Any good shows recently?
Theatre is good, and busy.
Last two concerts rocked - Cathy Richardson (www.crband.com) and Jim
Peterik (www.jimpeterik.com)
Working on a blues festival with some real, honest-to-God Chicago
blues artists, plus a couple of names I could never get if I didn't
know someone who knew someone....
Next up, we install the subwoofer and re-tweak the system, and I have
to modularized my stage snake to make it a bit more flexible.
pabOk, now throw XP into the mix. are you using XP?
I found a pretty cheap magma, so things are looking good.
"Mike Audet" <mike@mikeF-SPAMaudet.com> wrote:
>
>All the EDSes have to be connected with ribbon cables, so it's impossible
>to seperate them. They are either all in the computer or all in the Magma.
> Mine are all in the Magma and working perfectly.
>
>As for PCI express:
>
> http://www.mobl.com/expansion/products/pcie_expansion/6slot/ index.html
>
>And the host card is small. About the size of an old Adaptec 2940.
>
>All the best,
>
>Mike
>
>"John" <fake@fake.com> wrote:
>>
>>Thanks Mike. Is your primary EDS in the Magma? Do they have Magmas for
PCI
>>express yet? One more question. Is the magma card that goes in your comp
>>HUGE?
>>Thanks
>>
>>"Mike Audet" <mike@mikeF-SPAMaudet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I'm using 2 EDS cards in a 7 slot Avid branded magma chasis with no problems
>>>at all.
>>>
>>>I think with PCI slots going the way of the Do Do, this is going to be
>the
>>>only way to use EDS cards with new computers.
>>>
>>>All the best,
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>
>>>"John" <fake@fake.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Ugh. I just got a new computer, making sure it was up to snuff for my
>audio
>>>>setup, in every respect... except one. The EDS won't fit due to a hard
>>drive
>>>>bay. I could move it, and get into some serious trouble by attempting
>some
>>>>custom mounting, which I am certainly not qualified to do. Has anyone
>run
>>>>an EDS in a Magma? Does anyone know what problems this could cause? Would
>>>>I be better off risking the destruction of my computer by trying to mount
>>>>the hard draive bay elsewhere?
>>>>Thanks for any help
>>>
>>
>Oh, and thanks for the link. i prefer new whenever I can get it... so I just
may buy there.
"John" <fake@fake.com> wrote:
>
>Ok, now throw XP into the mix. are you using XP?
>
>I found a pretty cheap magma, so things are looking good.
>
>"Mike Audet" <mike@mikeF-SPAMaudet.com> wrote:
>>
>>All the EDSes have to be connected with ribbon cables, so it's impossible
>>to seperate them. They are either all in the computer or all in the Magma.
>> Mine are all in the Magma and working perfectly.
>>
>>As for PCI express:
>>
>> http://www.mobl.com/expansion/products/pcie_expansion/6slot/ index.html
>>
>>And the host card is small. About the size of an old Adaptec 2940.
>>
>>All the best,
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>"John" <fake@fake.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Thanks Mike. Is your primary EDS in the Magma? Do they have Magmas for
>PCI
>>>express yet? One more question. Is the magma card that goes in your comp
>>>HUGE?
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>"Mike Audet" <mike@mikeF-SPAMaudet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I'm using 2 EDS cards in a 7 slot Avid branded magma chasis with no problems
>>>>at all.
>>>>
>>>>I think with PCI slots going the way of the Do Do, this is going to be
>>the
>>>>only way to use EDS cards with new computers.
>>>>
>>>>All the best,
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>
>>>>"John" <fake@fake.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Ugh. I just got a new computer, making sure it was up to snuff for my
>>audio
>>>>>setup, in every respect... except one. The EDS won't fit due to a hard
>>>drive
>>>>>bay. I could move it, and get into some serious trouble by attempting
>>some
>>>>>custom mounting, which I am certainly not qualified to do. Has anyone
>>run
>>>>>an EDS in a Magma? Does anyone know what problems this could cause?
Would
>>>>>I be better off risking the destruction of my computer by trying to
mount
>>>>>the hard draive bay elsewhere?
>>>>>Thanks for any help
>>>>
>>>
>>
>One of these days Sarah...
bang zoom!
btw, there used to be a band here in LA called
Alice to the Moon
I love it
DC
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>Neil, I was being ironic . . . pretending I didn't get it because DJ implied
>that only old folks would get it. But very nice job on the encyclopedic
>explanation. :)
>
>Sarah
>www.sarahtonin.com/wayward.htm
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4466cb58$1@linux...
>>
>>>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>>That is hilarious. Er . . . . I mean . . . uh, what? I don't
>>>get it?
>>
>> Alice Kramden (played by Audrey Meadows) - wife of Ralph
>> Kramden (portrayed by Jackie Gleason)... one half of
>> "The Honeymooners" (old TV show, which started out as a
>> series of skits on the Jackie Gleason Show); husband Ralph
>> would always threaten to "send her to the moon" when she'd say
>> something he disliked, and would demonstrate just how he
>> planned on doing so by shaking his fist at her while saying:
>> "I'm gonna send you right to the moon, Alice" or sometimes more
>> simply: "To the moon, Alice... to the moon".
>>
>> In later episodes, the phrase: "To the moon, Alice" was often
>> substituted with the more concise: "Bang, ZOOM!!!", accentuated
>> by arm movments corresponding with each action... the
>> vocalized sound effects of: "bang" and "zoom" indicating the
>> impact of the aforementioned bitchslap, and her subsequent and
>> rapid ascension to the celestial body in question, respectively.
>> The assumption was that everyone on the planet had seen "The
>> Honeymooners" by that time, so a simple "Bang, ZOOM!!!" was
>> enough to convey Ralph's intentions to the entire audience.
>>
>> :)
>
>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>What? Dick Cheney wants us to listen to weird techno music?
YEAH, and he wants you to drive an old Ford Pinto and date a
musician!
heh
DCGood price! Unfortunately none of the widescreen formats are
supported by the G3...
How you doing?
DC
"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168891070 01R
>
>
>I've been keeping an eye on the above item. It may work with your situation
>pushing behind the audio monitors.
>
>I would check it out at your local stores first so you could return it if
it
>sucks.
>Be sure and read through the Newegg.com reviews as there are a few tricks
to
>get the proper settings through an on screen menu.
>
>YMMV...
>
>Regards,
>
>El Miguel
>
>
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:445abf3a$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I dumped the big KK desk and went back to good speaker stands and minimal
>> furniture.
>>
>> Ikea rocks!
>> I found a cool patio table made of beautiful wood that is not solid.
>> It is made of individual boards with openings between them, so it
>> does not act as a solid reflector.
>>
>> Here it is:
>>
> http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay ?catalogId=10103&storeId=12&langId=-1&productId= 17580
>>
>> It is very solid and doesn't wiggle at all. I haven't measured the
>> monitors with everything in place yet, but I listened to music as
>> I was putting it all together and did not hear anything strange
>> happening.
>>
>> Holy cow! The monitors sound very much better!
>> I am listening to the net feed from KUSC.org and it just shines.
>> I am very happy. Now I need to setup the sub with the analyzer
>> and get this record mixed.
>>
>> I will post a pic as soon as I can.
>>
>> BTW, I am thinking of losing the computer monitor too and hanging
>> a decent data projector and a screen behind the monitors. Any of
>> you work using a projector? Comments?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> DC
>>
>
>Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
Sounds like some great shows.
Good luck with your system upgrades.
DC
>Theatre is good, and busy.
>
>Last two concerts rocked - Cathy Richardson (www.crband.com) and Jim
>Peterik (www.jimpeterik.com)
>
>Working on a blues festival with some real, honest-to-God Chicago
>blues artists, plus a couple of names I could never get if I didn't
>know someone who knew someone....
>
>Next up, we install the subwoofer and re-tweak the system, and I have
>to modularized my stage snake to make it a bit more flexible.
>
>pab5 EDS cards in a 13 slot Magma on XPHome SP1 here with no
problems at all.
David.
John wrote:
> Ok, now throw XP into the mix. are you using XP?
>
> I found a pretty cheap magma, so things are looking good.
>
> "Mike Audet" <mike@mikeF-SPAMaudet.com> wrote:
>
>>All the EDSes have to be connected with ribbon cables, so it's impossible
>>to seperate them. They are either all in the computer or all in the Magma.
>>Mine are all in the Magma and working perfectly.
>>
>>As for PCI express:
>>
>> http://www.mobl.com/expansion/products/pcie_expansion/6slot/ index.html
>>
>>And the host card is small. About the size of an old Adaptec 2940.
>>
>>All the best,
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>"John" <fake@fake.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks Mike. Is your primary EDS in the Magma? Do they have Magmas for
>
> PCI
>
>>>express yet? One more question. Is the magma card that goes in your comp
>>>HUGE?
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>"Mike Audet" <mike@mikeF-SPAMaudet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm using 2 EDS cards in a 7 slot Avid branded magma chasis with no problems
>>>>at all.
>>>>
>>>>I think with PCI slots going the way of the Do Do, this is going to be
>>
>>the
>>
>>>>only way to use EDS cards with new computers.
>>>>
>>>>All the best,
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>
>>>>"John" <fake@fake.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Ugh. I just got a new computer, making sure it was up to snuff for my
>>
>>audio
>>
>>>>>setup, in every respect... except one. The EDS won't fit due to a hard
>>>
>>>drive
>>>
>>>>>bay. I could move it, and get into some serious trouble by attempting
>>
>>some
>>
>>>>>custom mounting, which I am certainly not qualified to do. Has anyone
>>
>>run
>>
>>>>>an EDS in a Magma? Does anyone know what problems this could cause? Would
>>>>>I be better off risking the destruction of my computer by trying to mount
>>>>>the hard draive bay elsewhere?
>>>>>Thanks for any help
>>>>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinchulavista.com> wrote in message news:4467cdbe$1@linux...
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>
>>What? Dick Cheney wants us to listen to weird techno music?
>
> YEAH, and he wants you to drive an old Ford Pinto and date a
> musician!
>
> heh
>
> DCI was working on a project the other day and suddenly discovered that all
of my eds effect presets where missing. What happened? In my emu paris folder
I have the paris_fx.var (default) file and another of the same, without the
default. I am running paris
3.0 on an XP machine. Someone please give me some direction or solutions.
ThanksRichard,
Please contact me at animix@animas.net
thanks,
DJI may have made a discovery here. From the first day I began syncing Paris
on one computer and RME cards on another, I experienced instability unless I
first turned on all of my digital gadgets that are interfacing with whatever
DAW, then booted the RME computer first and then launched Cubase SX before I
launched Paris.
Well, it turns out that the Mytek clock that is sending to *everything* in
the studio is *reclocked* by the RME card and so, apparently the digital
inputs from the RME cards to the Paris cards may be different from the clock
signal that Paris is sending from it's outputs that are locked to the Mytek
clock and sending to the RME digital inputs. For whatever reason, if the RME
is booted first, it has a chance to not only reclock the Mytek WC that is
feeding it, but also the Paris digital inputs that are feeding it.
Now.....if my thinking is correct on this, I'm wondering if I should even
be using the Mytek at all. The specs on the Mytek (10ps) exceed the RME
clock, but if the RME clock is diddling around with this house clock signal,
it seems it would be a recipe for all sorts of mischief.
Any thoughts on this? Could I be correct here?cool shit...
and dudes laughing if it disturbs you... duh.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4466b5e8@linux...
> http://www.myspace.com/gnetic
>
> I'm just not getting this................or maybe I am and just don't want
> to.
>
> Maybe I need to get out more or something.
>
>For those who have never tried.
Just open a Native submix and put all your desired audiotracks that you would
like to process with a DX/VST/UAD1 effect like reverb.
Then just pull-up your aux list and chose your DX effect.
Paris EQ still works !! but uses cpu instead of dsp.
This is a great addon feature for Paris.
I will certainly use that a lot !
Regards,
DimitriosD...I think the auxes only work in mono on the native sub. It's been a long
time since I tried it, so I may be remembering wrong.
Rod
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>For those who have never tried.
>Just open a Native submix and put all your desired audiotracks that you
would
>like to process with a DX/VST/UAD1 effect like reverb.
>Then just pull-up your aux list and chose your DX effect.
>Paris EQ still works !! but uses cpu instead of dsp.
>This is a great addon feature for Paris.
>I will certainly use that a lot !
>Regards,
>DimitriosThat is a nifty idea. What is this DA16X?
"Ted" <sonicartproductions@hotmail.com> wrote:
>If you don't mind blowing a whole Card on it and have a hardware
>compressor --- this is what I do (maybe not the purist way, but I like it
>...):
>
>Assign all drums to any stereo aux.
>
>Set that aux to post (so your fader moves matter)
>
>mute the card you are doing this on (in the global mixer)
>
>send the aux to an output (it will still send despite the fact that the
card
>itself is muted in global stereo bus)
>
>Split that output
>
>send one signal right back into the in of another card (since it is in
>realtime either live input, or an aux return)
>
>send the copy through an analog comp. and return in the same manner.
>
>your other auxes (like drum verbs, and even additional tracks) from the
>muted card can be returned the same way via analog chain (as with the
>drums), spdif (from one mec to another) or even an adat card from one mec
to
>another.
>
>I bought a DA16X to gain decent sounding outs which also provides me with
>great stereo outs for my monitoring.
>
>Cheers,
>Ted
>
>Dear Rod,
That is what I am hearing too...
But I overcome by using two auxes with same rverb and pan hard left and right.
Now on channels I put as much aux1 and aux2 I want to have the stereo I want.
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>D...I think the auxes only work in mono on the native sub. It's been a long
>time since I tried it, so I may be remembering wrong.
>Rod
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>>For those who have never tried.
>>Just open a Native submix and put all your desired audiotracks that you
>would
>>like to process with a DX/VST/UAD1 effect like reverb.
>>Then just pull-up your aux list and chose your DX effect.
>>Paris EQ still works !! but uses cpu instead of dsp.
>>This is a great addon feature for Paris.
>>I will certainly use that a lot !
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>I used 911 in Massachussets the other day, worked fine, I don't know where
the 413 area code is, may be western mass
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>I was recently sent a list that I am trying to confirm or deny. There are
>quite a few smart cats here.. anyone seen this yet or can validate it?
>AA
>----------------------------------------
>Even opponents of cellular telephone usage by drivers acknowledge their
>utility in an emergency situation. Here are the state police / highway
>patrol telephone numbers by state. Law enforcement agencies urge motorists
>to use these numbers only to report accidents, emergencies, impaired
>drivers, reckless drivers, vehicle problems, hazardous material spills and
>criminal behavior. We urge drivers to be aware of using their cellular
>telephones in a safe manner and to be aware of laws which prohibit using
>their phones while driving.
>
>The National government and many states have mandated that 911 work from
>your cellular telephone. According to many Cellular Providers, they are
>making strides to accomplish this. Fair warning - your cellular telephone
>may or may not work with the numbers below. We urge you to check with the
>local or state authorities, before you travel.
>
> Illinois 911, 511 or *999
> Alabama *47 or (*HP)
> Alaska 911
> Arizona 911
> Arkansas 911 or (501-396-1860)
> California 911
> Colorado 911
> Connecticut 911 or (800-443-6817)
> Delaware 911
> Florida 911 or 800-525-5555 or (*FHP or *DUI)
> Georgia 911
> Idaho 911 or *ISP
> Illinois 911 or 511 or *999
> Indiana 911
> Iowa 911 or 800-555-HELP (4357)
> Kansas
> Ks Turnpike *47
> *KTA
> Kentucky 911 or (800-222-5555)
> Louisiana 911 (or for causeway 504-893-6250 (*LHP))
> Maine *77
> Maryland #77
> Massachusetts *SP outside the 413 area code,
> *MSP inside the 413 Area Code
> Michigan 911
> Minnesota 911
> Mississippi (*HP)
> Missouri (*55) or 800-525-5555
> Montana 800-525-5555
> Nebraska 800-525-5555
> Nevada 911
> New Hampshire 911 or *77
> New Jersey 911
> New Mexico 911 or 505-827-9301
> New York 911
> North Carolina *HP or 800-662-7956
> North Dakota (*2121) or 800-472-2121
> Ohio 800-525-5555 or (*DUI)
> Oklahoma *55
> Oregon 911
> Pennsylvania 911 or (*12)
> Rhode Island (*77) or 401-444-1069
> South Carolina (*HP)
> South Dakota 911
> Tennessee (*THP) or 615-741-2060
> Texas 911 or 800-525-5555
> Utah 911
> Vermont 911
> Virginia 911
> Washington 911
> West Virginia *SP
> Wisconsin 911
> Wyoming (#HELP) (#4357) or 800-442-9090
>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>
>Deej, I use a Lucid GenX6 as my master clock, and I don't have
anything happening like what you describe.
I assume you do indeed have the Multiface driver settings set to
"Auto-Sync", and not "Master"; and also you're selecting "Word
Clock" as the sync option & not SPDIF or something else?
Neil
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I may have made a discovery here. From the first day I began syncing Paris
>on one computer and RME cards on another, I experienced instability unless
I
>first turned on all of my digital gadgets that are interfacing with whatever
>DAW, then booted the RME computer first and then launched Cubase SX before
I
>launched Paris.
>
>Well, it turns out that the Mytek clock that is sending to *everything*
in
>the studio is *reclocked* by the RME card and so, apparently the digital
>inputs from the RME cards to the Paris cards may be different from the clock
>signal that Paris is sending from it's outputs that are locked to the Mytek
>clock and sending to the RME digital inputs. For whatever reason, if the
RME
>is booted first, it has a chance to not only reclock the Mytek WC that is
>feeding it, but also the Paris digital inputs that are feeding it.
>
>Now.....if my thinking is correct on this, I'm wondering if I should even
>be using the Mytek at all. The specs on the Mytek (10ps) exceed the RME
>clock, but if the RME clock is diddling around with this house clock signal,
>it seems it would be a recipe for all sorts of mischief.
>
>Any thoughts on this? Could I be correct here?
>
>
>
>Heheh!!!! .........I love the smell of suicidal depression in the morning.
"justcron" <paris@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message news:44683f28@linux...
> cool shit...
>
> and dudes laughing if it disturbs you... duh.
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:4466b5e8@linux...
> > http://www.myspace.com/gnetic
> >
> > I'm just not getting this................or maybe I am and just don't
want
> > to.
> >
> > Maybe I need to get out more or something.
> >
> >
>
>Reclocking is not a great idea... you should send clock directly to
all devices from *one* source without buffering or regeneration. I
would then boot the clock first, digital periferals second, SX machine
third, and Paris last (but the MEC's get turned on with the perifierals).
David.
DJ wrote:
> I may have made a discovery here. From the first day I began syncing Paris
> on one computer and RME cards on another, I experienced instability unless I
> first turned on all of my digital gadgets that are interfacing with whatever
> DAW, then booted the RME computer first and then launched Cubase SX before I
> launched Paris.
>
> Well, it turns out that the Mytek clock that is sending to *everything* in
> the studio is *reclocked* by the RME card and so, apparently the digital
> inputs from the RME cards to the Paris cards may be different from the clock
> signal that Paris is sending from it's outputs that are locked to the Mytek
> clock and sending to the RME digital inputs. For whatever reason, if the RME
> is booted first, it has a chance to not only reclock the Mytek WC that is
> feeding it, but also the Paris digital inputs that are feeding it.
>
> Now.....if my thinking is correct on this, I'm wondering if I should even
> be using the Mytek at all. The specs on the Mytek (10ps) exceed the RME
> clock, but if the RME clock is diddling around with this house clock signal,
> it seems it would be a recipe for all sorts of mischief.
>
> Any thoughts on this? Could I be correct here?
>
>
>
>I only listened to the music before I commented. Upon checking out the
imagery further, it definitely is kinda creepy.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:44688e8e@linux...
> Heheh!!!! .........I love the smell of suicidal depression in the morning.
>
>
>
>
> "justcron" <paris@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message
> news:44683f28@linux...
>> cool shit...
>>
>> and dudes laughing if it disturbs you... duh.
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:4466b5e8@linux...
>> > http://www.myspace.com/gnetic
>> >
>> > I'm just not getting this................or maybe I am and just don't
> want
>> > to.
>> >
>> > Maybe I need to get out more or something.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>That's a good point about the clock being booted first...
mine's on the same power conditioner as my PC, so whenever I
flip the switch on that, the clock automatically comes on before
the PC gets booted up.
However, there's been a couple of occasions where I've been
repatching some stuff & have knocked the power supply cable out
of the Lucid, and when I reinsert it, the RME card picks up the
clock signal again perfectly, so I suspect there might be
something else going on here. Deej, what version of the RME
driver are you using, and did you ever check to see what version
of the RME PCI card you have?
Neil
EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>Reclocking is not a great idea... you should send clock directly to
>all devices from *one* source without buffering or regeneration. I
>would then boot the clock first, digital periferals second, SX machine
>third, and Paris last (but the MEC's get turned on with the perifierals).
>
>David.
>
>DJ wrote:
>> I may have made a discovery here. From the first day I began syncing Paris
>> on one computer and RME cards on another, I experienced instability unless
I
>> first turned on all of my digital gadgets that are interfacing with whatever
>> DAW, then booted the RME computer first and then launched Cubase SX before
I
>> launched Paris.
>>
>> Well, it turns out that the Mytek clock that is sending to *everything*
in
>> the studio is *reclocked* by the RME card and so, apparently the digital
>> inputs from the RME cards to the Paris cards may be different from the
clock
>> signal that Paris is sending from it's outputs that are locked to the
Mytek
>> clock and sending to the RME digital inputs. For whatever reason, if the
RME
>> is booted first, it has a chance to not only reclock the Mytek WC that
is
>> feeding it, but also the Paris digital inputs that are feeding it.
>>
>> Now.....if my thinking is correct on this, I'm wondering if I should
even
>> be using the Mytek at all. The specs on the Mytek (10ps) exceed the RME
>> clock, but if the RME clock is diddling around with this house clock signal,
>> it seems it would be a recipe for all sorts of mischief.
>>
>> Any thoughts on this? Could I be correct here?
>>
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I may have made a discovery here. From the first day I began syncing Paris
>on one computer and RME cards on another, I experienced instability unless
I
>first turned on all of my digital gadgets that are interfacing with whatever
>DAW, then booted the RME computer first and then launched Cubase SX before
I
>launched Paris.
>
>Well, it turns out that the Mytek clock that is sending to *everything*
in
>the studio is *reclocked* by the RME card and so, apparently the digital
>inputs from the RME cards to the Paris cards may be different from the clock
>signal that Paris is sending from it's outputs that are locked to the Mytek
>clock and sending to the RME digital inputs. For whatever reason, if the
RME
>is booted first, it has a chance to not only reclock the Mytek WC that is
>feeding it, but also the Paris digital inputs that are feeding it.
>
>Now.....if my thinking is correct on this, I'm wondering if I should even
>be using the Mytek at all. The specs on the Mytek (10ps) exceed the RME
>clock, but if the RME clock is diddling around with this house clock signal,
>it seems it would be a recipe for all sorts of mischief.
>
>Any thoughts on this? Could I be correct here?
>
I use a Mytek 8X96 as house clock and I have three RME 9652 cards in my setup
plus a large MOTU rig, and I don’t have any similar issues. I do have a startup
order, but I have some latitude with it. I am only running two MECs on a
three card Paris rig. It was adding the third MEC that gave me some consistency
issues, so I went back to 98se and two MECs.
GeneThanks a lot so far! I think this is the solution, I will check it out soon.
I searched the archives of the NG about FXPansion and there was talking
about latency with VST Wrappers. Do I now have to deal with latency
compensation when using the Kjaerhus Plugins? They claim themself to be zero
latency. And if yes, how much is the latency?
Thanks in advance!
Simon
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:4467aa49@linux...
>I have attached the last known-to-work FXPansion VST.DX wrapper. This
>should
> allow you to use VST plugins normally.
>
>
> "Simon" <hexagometer@gmx.net> wrote in message news:44679cb8$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am pretty new to Paris, using it for about a year now and Ilove it.
>> When
>> I had problems or questions, I always found an answer in
>> the NG archives. But this time I really need your advice because
>> I'm out of ideas.
>>
>> I've got this Gold Bundle from Kjaerhus and it works and sounds
>> great with Wavelab. But on Paris the meters don't work and the
>> parameters go back to default every time I pop it up during a
>> session. Sonically it works: I can do changes which I can hear,
>> but the next time I pop it up, all parameters are back to zero.
>> Sonically the parameters are not affected, I still hear the same
>> sound as I adjusted, but graphically all jumps back to default,
>> and still no meter activity.
>>
>>
>> Does anybody has experience with this behavior or is someone
>> successfully using these plugins with Paris?
>>
>> I hope somebody can understand my problem, my english lessons are
>> pretty far away...
>> I'm running Paris 3.0 under Win98.
>>
>> Thanks Simon
>>
>
>
>say n'more say n'more....I've used 3 for years. Then I got a couple of
Dell 24" widescreen lcd's and some kvms. Now I can have one on each
machine paris + nuendo, or both on either at the flick of a keystroke...
works well and best of all.....no high-end ziz from flyback tranys....
ah...just looked up the P750...I see why you went with that model....TFB
that it's drivers are crapware, huh.....
j
jef knight wrote:
> hey man, graphics cards are pretty cheap, why not just ditch that
> matrox crap and go with a nice n-vidia unit? just a thought....
> j
>
> DJ wrote:
>
>> Any why you ask????.........Well, I'm puttingmy new system through some
>> pretty stressful times right now and I'm getting lots of crashes. Screen
>> redraws are a bit sluggish too. I have enabled/disabled bus mastering
>> to no
>> avail. The system isn't behaving like there are any devices at war
>> with any
>> other devices and I don't have IRQ's of one device trying to sneak
>> over and
>> fraternize with IRQ's of incompatible devices.
>>
>> That seems to leave........you guessed it.........the P750. I'm going to
>> unload the drivers on this pup, shut my system down, reload my G450
>> and I'll
>> betcha' I'm good to go.
>>
>> ;oP
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:4466787d@linux...
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>y'know...I kinda agree...I'm mean...holy cow ...soundtracks for your
next suicide?....pretty goofy stuff...and that guy with the rings...I
don't know if he needs a hug a kick in the ass....what the hell's an old
guy supposed to feel about *that* kinda stuff anyway?...
I just don't want to seem like I'm losing touch with the younger
generation but.....
DJ wrote:
>Does that guy have his lips stitched together or are those just rigns
>pierced through his lips. Man, if someone like that knocked on my door at
>night and it wasn't Haloween, I'd likely let the puppies snack on his ass.
>
>
>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:4466be1d@linux...
>
>
>>It's like Billy Corgan gone bad in Tekno Color... and I don't even like
>>Corgan.
>>AA
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>news:4466b5e8@linux...
>>
>>
>>>http://www.myspace.com/gnetic
>>>
>>>I'm just not getting this................or maybe I am and just don't
>>>
>>>
>want
>
>
>>>to.
>>>
>>>Maybe I need to get out more or something.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>well put. but that mook is no alice cooper...lol
Mike Claytor wrote:
>Just one generation trying to out-weird another!
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------
>maybe I'm just the sensitive artist type, but this whole goth cult of
death thing kinda creeps me out in general
j
justcron wrote:
>I only listened to the music before I commented. Upon checking out the
>imagery further, it definitely is kinda creepy.
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:44688e8e@linux...
>
>
>>Heheh!!!! .........I love the smell of suicidal depression in the morning.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"justcron" <paris@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message
>>news:44683f28@linux...
>>
>>
>>>cool shit...
>>>
>>>and dudes laughing if it disturbs you... duh.
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>news:4466b5e8@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.myspace.com/gnetic
>>>>
>>>>I'm just not getting this................or maybe I am and just don't
>>>>
>>>>
>>want
>>
>>
>>>>to.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe I need to get out more or something.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>"it can freeze/halt an unbelievable number of things on your system over
it..."
would that also explain why my logitec mx518 gaming mouse fails to come
back on after re-open my laptop?
thanks aaron, now that I see what's up here I'll dig in....
jef
Aaron Allen wrote:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918165
>
> http://www.uvm.edu/cit/IT-news/2006spring/?Page=announce/bad kb.html&SM=announce/annmenu.html
> < http://www.uvm.edu/cit/IT-news/2006spring/?Page=announce/bad kb.html&SM=announce/annmenu.html>
>
> and lastly, look for a file on your computer called Verclsid.exe
> It's a version Class ID identifier.. basically put, MS wants to verify
> things that run/execute are what they say they are. Real world isn't
> so simple, and it can freeze/halt an unbelievable number of things on
> your system over it.... including a taskbar. HP in particular has
> issues with this thing, although it's not limited to HP.
>
> AA
>
> "jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com
> <mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com>> wrote in message
> news:4464bb89@linux...
> all of the above, aaron! what's the deal?
>
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>
>> Jef, do you have a HP printer, camera, scanner and/or software?
>> Look for the installation of KB908531 in your add/remove
>> programs. If you have it let me know, I think I know why you'd be
>> seeing that problem.
>>
>> AA
>>
>> "jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com
>> <mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com>> wrote in message
>> news:44649581@linux...
>> this happens on my laptop all the time deej. dunno what
>> causes it but a reboot fixes it.
>> j
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>
>>>Yeah!!! It's back.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>news:4463f95a@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tried it..........didn't work. I just booted into Safe Mode and it showed
>>>>up. Now I'm rebooting again and hopefully it will show up again.
>>>>
>>>>;O}
>>>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4463f386$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>position your cursor at the bottom of the screen, click on the very edge
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the screen & drag upwards... it should expand.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I just had to swap monitors on a machine running Win 95. I had been
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>using
>>>
>>>
>>>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>17" Samsung LCD. I switched to an old E-systems 15" CRT. The taskbar at
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>bottom has disappeared. The computer l,oaded the proper driver for the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>CRT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>and I have adjucted the resolution to where it should be, but no
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>taskbar
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>shows up at the bottom of the screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Am I hallucinating...........(again)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>is it just my take on things, or is there a ton of "hot" stuff on ebay?
j
DJ wrote:
>yes
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44677dd5@linux...
>
>
>>Did I just miss the deal of the decade? http://tinyurl.com/zjok9
>>
>>John wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And it doesn't appear that the Rolands let you load samples. So if you
>>>
>>>
>get
>
>
>>>tired of the sounds you're screwed.
>>>
>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>If you're picky about the sound of cymbals hihats etc I think most will
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>disappoint you, of course YMMV.
>>>>
>>>>the TD 20, ddrum etc are the top of the line (read $$$$) and the TD20
>>>>
>>>>
>has
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>room for dozens of kits so I'd start my search there...also look at the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Roland pads they're not too shabby.
>>>>
>>>>And Deej - Pierre at Hart is now recommending th new line of Roland drum
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>triggers as the best on the market...in fact he raved about them
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44676c05$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm really don't want a dedicated computer for drums so, are there any
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>expandable
>>>>>sound modules that have DW quality drums and such where I can edit them
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>(volumes/pans)
>>>>>through midi and add sounds to them? Ideally I'd like a dozen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>different
>
>
>>>>>kits with pro rock and jazz kits and a few kits with wacky sounds.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, what electronic drum kits are the best for realistic hi-hats?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hart dynamics are as good as they come. as for the sounds on the TD 12
>>>>>>module, you will need to tweak them a bit and for me electronics still
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>sound
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>fake but I am being incredible picky when I say that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In reality you'll have more control over your drums, use fewer tracks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>be
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>able to easily alter drum tracks and as long as 1) the drums aren't
>>>>>>incredibly prominent and 2) you learn how to tweak them, they can be a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>quite
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>realistic replacement for acoustic drums.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That being said you may want to look into BFD and/or DKFH as an
>>>>>>accompaniment to this kit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>YMMV
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44674516$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm looking for a stand alone system with great rock / jazz drum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>sets.
>
>
>>>>>>>Any
>>>>>>>ideas? I like the demo of this drumset but don't know if their
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>sounds
>
>
>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>any good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.hartdynamics.tv/video/QT_HS_VIDEO/drumsets/HART_S TUDIO_MASTE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>R_6-4_TD12.html
>
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>
>
>I actually *like* the sounds in my dm-pro's,.....but you're right, Don,
about using bfd or such....even just for the variety and better cymbals..
j
Don Nafe wrote:
>Ah forgot about the DM Pro
>
>dcn
>
>
>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:44679c53@linux...
>
>
>>Not so fast :)
>>
>>My DM Pro allows me to purchase a blank 8 Mb card and load my own samples
>>in it. If there is another hardware drum specific machine/unit that allows
>>this I am not aware of it... with stuff out there like Drumagog I don't
>>expect that to change. One could however, do what you're saying with the
>>MPC and a drum trigger convertor.. which opens a whole world up. The
>>closest thing to that I know of is the SPD series from Roland.
>>
>>And yes, that was a good find on the roland kit John.
>>
>>AA
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:44679a4b$1@linux...
>>
>>
>>>Actually only the ddrum brain allows you to sample (I think)...the other
>>>option would be buying the pads and picking up an Akai MPC 2000 or
>>>3000...which I believe allow you to load all sorts of samples
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>ps. yes that was the steal of the century
>>>
>>>
>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44677633$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>And it doesn't appear that the Rolands let you load samples. So if you
>>>>get
>>>>tired of the sounds you're screwed.
>>>>
>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If you're picky about the sound of cymbals hihats etc I think most will
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>disappoint you, of course YMMV.
>>>>>
>>>>>the TD 20, ddrum etc are the top of the line (read $$$$) and the TD20
>>>>>has
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>room for dozens of kits so I'd start my search there...also look at the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Roland pads they're not too shabby.
>>>>>
>>>>>And Deej - Pierre at Hart is now recommending th new line of Roland drum
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>triggers as the best on the market...in fact he raved about them
>>>>>
>>>>>Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44676c05$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm really don't want a dedicated computer for drums so, are there any
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>expandable
>>>>>>sound modules that have DW quality drums and such where I can edit
>>>>>>them
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(volumes/pans)
>>>>>>through midi and add sounds to them? Ideally I'd like a dozen
>>>>>>different
>>>>>>kits with pro rock and jazz kits and a few kits with wacky sounds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, what electronic drum kits are the best for realistic hi-hats?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hart dynamics are as good as they come. as for the sounds on the TD 12
>>>>>>>module, you will need to tweak them a bit and for me electronics still
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>sound
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>fake but I am being incredible picky when I say that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In reality you'll have more control over your drums, use fewer tracks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>be
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>able to easily alter drum tracks and as long as 1) the drums aren't
>>>>>>>incredibly prominent and 2) you learn how to tweak them, they can be a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>quite
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>realistic replacement for acoustic drums.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That being said you may want to look into BFD and/or DKFH as an
>>>>>>>accompaniment to this kit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>YMMV
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44674516$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm looking for a stand alone system with great rock / jazz drum
>>>>>>>>sets.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Any
>>>>>>>>ideas? I like the demo of this drumset but don't know if their
>>>>>>>>sounds
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>any good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.hartdynamics.tv/video/QT_HS_VIDEO/drumsets/HART_S TUDIO_MASTER_6-4_TD12.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>That's *exactly* my boot sequence. I am clocking my whole studio from the
Mytek and I am looping
signals *through* channels on Cubase SX. Now if Paris, that is receiving
10ps clock signal directly from the Mytek, sends 48 tracks that are being
clocked at 10ps to the RME device (which is also receiving 10ps clock
directly from the Mytek and is set to autosync), and the tracks are being
processed in Cubase and returned to Paris, are the tracks being
returned to Paris still clocked at 10ps? Since there are also
other digital devices interfacing Paris (but not the RME system)
which are being clocked directly from the Mytek at 10ps, if the RME system
is returning a value other than 10ps to Paris, would this be a
train wreck in the making?
I'm getting a headache
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4468922d@linux...
> Reclocking is not a great idea... you should send clock directly to
> all devices from *one* source without buffering or regeneration. I
> would then boot the clock first, digital periferals second, SX machine
> third, and Paris last (but the MEC's get turned on with the perifierals).
>
> David.
>
> DJ wrote:
> > I may have made a discovery here. From the first day I began syncing
Paris
> > on one computer and RME cards on another, I experienced instability
unless I
> > first turned on all of my digital gadgets that are interfacing with
whatever
> > DAW, then booted the RME computer first and then launched Cubase SX
before I
> > launched Paris.
> >
> > Well, it turns out that the Mytek clock that is sending to *everything*
in
> > the studio is *reclocked* by the RME card and so, apparently the digital
> > inputs from the RME cards to the Paris cards may be different from the
clock
> > signal that Paris is sending from it's outputs that are locked to the
Mytek
> > clock and sending to the RME digital inputs. For whatever reason, if the
RME
> > is booted first, it has a chance to not only reclock the Mytek WC that
is
> > feeding it, but also the Paris digital inputs that are feeding it.
> >
> > Now.....if my thinking is correct on this, I'm wondering if I should
even
> > be using the Mytek at all. The specs on the Mytek (10ps) exceed the RME
> > clock, but if the RME clock is diddling around with this house clock
signal,
> > it seems it would be a recipe for all sorts of mischief.
> >
> > Any thoughts on this? Could I be correct here?
> >
> >
> >
> >That setup is correct, as long as all devices are set to clock to *WC*
and not the digital connection from the source device. Doing this,
the "leading edge" of each sample will arrive at every device at the
same time... you should not have any train wrecks do it this way.
There may be a few samples "delay" going from one device to another
(I/O delay) but the samples will be arriving at the same time (even
though some are delayed a bit).
David.
DJ wrote:
> That's *exactly* my boot sequence. I am clocking my whole studio from the
> Mytek and I am looping
> signals *through* channels on Cubase SX. Now if Paris, that is receiving
> 10ps clock signal directly from the Mytek, sends 48 tracks that are being
> clocked at 10ps to the RME device (which is also receiving 10ps clock
> directly from the Mytek and is set to autosync), and the tracks are being
> processed in Cubase and returned to Paris, are the tracks being
> returned to Paris still clocked at 10ps? Since there are also
> other digital devices interfacing Paris (but not the RME system)
> which are being clocked directly from the Mytek at 10ps, if the RME system
> is returning a value other than 10ps to Paris, would this be a
> train wreck in the making?
>
> I'm getting a headache
>
> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4468922d@linux...
>
>>Reclocking is not a great idea... you should send clock directly to
>>all devices from *one* source without buffering or regeneration. I
>>would then boot the clock first, digital periferals second, SX machine
>>third, and Paris last (but the MEC's get turned on with the perifierals).
>>
>>David.
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>
>>>I may have made a discovery here. From the first day I began syncing
>
> Paris
>
>>>on one computer and RME cards on another, I experienced instability
>
> unless I
>
>>>first turned on all of my digital gadgets that are interfacing with
>
> whatever
>
>>>DAW, then booted the RME computer first and then launched Cubase SX
>
> before I
>
>>>launched Paris.
>>>
>>>Well, it turns out that the Mytek clock that is sending to *everything*
>
> in
>
>>>the studio is *reclocked* by the RME card and so, apparently the digital
>>>inputs from the RME cards to the Paris cards may be different from the
>
> clock
>
>>>signal that Paris is sending from it's outputs that are locked to the
>
> Mytek
>
>>>clock and sending to the RME digital inputs. For whatever reason, if the
>
> RME
>
>>>is booted first, it has a chance to not only reclock the Mytek WC that
>
> is
>
>>>feeding it, but also the Paris digital inputs that are feeding it.
>>>
>>>Now.....if my thinking is correct on this, I'm wondering if I should
>
> even
>
>>>be using the Mytek at all. The specs on the Mytek (10ps) exceed the RME
>>>clock, but if the RME clock is diddling around with this house clock
>
> signal,
>
>>>it seems it would be a recipe for all sorts of mischief.
>>>
>>>Any thoughts on this? Could I be correct here?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4466b5e8@linux...
> http://www.myspace.com/gnetic
>
> I'm just not getting this................or maybe I am and just don't want
> to.
>
> Maybe I need to get out more or something.
>
>
I can see a problem keeping a loying fan base if thats what the music
inspires.
JMO.
dbglad you think so.........the music....well I think it sucks, but that's
strictly personal opinion of the genre.I can certainly live with people
having different preferences. It's the message of the music (screaming
DIE!!! DIE!!!) along with the imagery that is sick and sad. I mean, when I
was young, I got depressed sometimes when life seemed to be one giant
suckage, but this looks like Columbine waiting to be revisited.
But hey.....it's a free country and it wouldn't be PC to deny someone the
opportunity to slaughter themselves and their friends.
"justcron" <paris@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message news:44689288@linux...
> I only listened to the music before I commented. Upon checking out the
> imagery further, it definitely is kinda creepy.
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:44688e8e@linux...
> > Heheh!!!! .........I love the smell of suicidal depression in the
morning.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "justcron" <paris@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message
> > news:44683f28@linux...
> >> cool shit...
> >>
> >> and dudes laughing if it disturbs you... duh.
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4466b5e8@linux...
> >> > http://www.myspace.com/gnetic
> >> >
> >> > I'm just not getting this................or maybe I am and just don't
> > want
> >> > to.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe I need to get out more or something.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>OK then. Looks like I'm good to go. The system has been very stable since I
returned to my proper boot sequence (the one you described and which I was
using, before I had a senior moment).
;o)
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4468a8e3$1@linux...
> That setup is correct, as long as all devices are set to clock to *WC*
> and not the digital connection from the source device. Doing this,
> the "leading edge" of each sample will arrive at every device at the
> same time... you should not have any train wrecks do it this way.
> There may be a few samples "delay" going from one device to another
> (I/O delay) but the samples will be arriving at the same time (even
> though some are delayed a bit).
>
> David.
>
> DJ wrote:
> > That's *exactly* my boot sequence. I am clocking my whole studio from
the
> > Mytek and I am looping
> > signals *through* channels on Cubase SX. Now if Paris, that is receiving
> > 10ps clock signal directly from the Mytek, sends 48 tracks that are
being
> > clocked at 10ps to the RME device (which is also receiving 10ps clock
> > directly from the Mytek and is set to autosync), and the tracks are
being
> > processed in Cubase and returned to Paris, are the tracks being
> > returned to Paris still clocked at 10ps? Since there are also
> > other digital devices interfacing Paris (but not the RME system)
> > which are being clocked directly from the Mytek at 10ps, if the RME
system
> > is returning a value other than 10ps to Paris, would this be a
> > train wreck in the making?
> >
> > I'm getting a headache
> >
> > "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4468922d@linux...
> >
> >>Reclocking is not a great idea... you should send clock directly to
> >>all devices from *one* source without buffering or regeneration. I
> >>would then boot the clock first, digital periferals second, SX machine
> >>third, and Paris last (but the MEC's get turned on with the
perifierals).
> >>
> >>David.
> >>
> >>DJ wrote:
> >>
> >>>I may have made a discovery here. From the first day I began syncing
> >
> > Paris
> >
> >>>on one computer and RME cards on another, I experienced instability
> >
> > unless I
> >
> >>>first turned on all of my digital gadgets that are interfacing with
> >
> > whatever
> >
> >>>DAW, then booted the RME computer first and then launched Cubase SX
> >
> > before I
> >
> >>>launched Paris.
> >>>
> >>>Well, it turns out that the Mytek clock that is sending to *everything*
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>the studio is *reclocked* by the RME card and so, apparently the
digital
> >>>inputs from the RME cards to the Paris cards may be different from the
> >
> > clock
> >
> >>>signal that Paris is sending from it's outputs that are locked to the
> >
> > Mytek
> >
> >>>clock and sending to the RME digital inputs. For whatever reason, if
the
> >
> > RME
> >
> >>>is booted first, it has a chance to not only reclock the Mytek WC that
> >
> > is
> >
> >>>feeding it, but also the Paris digital inputs that are feeding it.
> >>>
> >>>Now.....if my thinking is correct on this, I'm wondering if I should
> >
> > even
> >
> >>>be using the Mytek at all. The specs on the Mytek (10ps) exceed the RME
> >>>clock, but if the RME clock is diddling around with this house clock
> >
> > signal,
> >
> >>>it seems it would be a recipe for all sorts of mischief.
> >>>
> >>>Any thoughts on this? Could I be correct here?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >I don't knopw what the latency would be, but Dimitrios probably does.
Dimitrios knows everything.
;o)
"Simon" <hexagometer@gmx.net> wrote in message news:4468990e@linux...
>
> Thanks a lot so far! I think this is the solution, I will check it out
soon.
>
> I searched the archives of the NG about FXPansion and there was talking
> about latency with VST Wrappers. Do I now have to deal with latency
> compensation when using the Kjaerhus Plugins? They claim themself to be
zero
> latency. And if yes, how much is the latency?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Simon
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:4467aa49@linux...
> >I have attached the last known-to-work FXPansion VST.DX wrapper. This
> >should
> > allow you to use VST plugins normally.
> >
> >
> > "Simon" <hexagometer@gmx.net> wrote in message news:44679cb8$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am pretty new to Paris, using it for about a year now and Ilove it.
> >> When
> >> I had problems or questions, I always found an answer in
> >> the NG archives. But this time I really need your advice because
> >> I'm out of ideas.
> >>
> >> I've got this Gold Bundle from Kjaerhus and it works and sounds
> >> great with Wavelab. But on Paris the meters don't work and the
> >> parameters go back to default every time I pop it up during a
> >> session. Sonically it works: I can do changes which I can hear,
> >> but the next time I pop it up, all parameters are back to zero.
> >> Sonically the parameters are not affected, I still hear the same
> >> sound as I adjusted, but graphically all jumps back to default,
> >> and still no meter activity.
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anybody has experience with this behavior or is someone
> >> successfully using these plugins with Paris?
> >>
> >> I hope somebody can understand my problem, my english lessons are
> >> pretty far away...
> >> I'm running Paris 3.0 under Win98.
> >>
> >> Thanks Simon
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>Hey,
Anyone know of a decent DX or VST Subharmonic synth plug? Would be
nice to find a freebee... need a "little somethin'" extra on a song I
am mixing.
Thanks,
David.uh...I didn't get that memo...I usually always do it the other way
'round....let's see what the new plan hold in store....lol
DJ wrote:
>In true form here, I ignored (well spaced it out actually) the cardinal rule
>of The Studio Of the Living Dead. I booted the Paris computer before I
>booted the Cubase computer........then, to really piss off my system, I
>launched Paris before I launched Cubase SX. Everyone know this is a recipe
>for disaster. It's in all the books......
>
>Jeeezzzzz......I'm such a dope.
>
>;o)
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:4466787d@linux...
>
>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>I spotted 3 of these already. The auctions are 1 day and they want money
by Western Union in ROMANIA !!! They were for the Roland TD20 $5500 set
for $1500. The auctions have been pulled but here's what the guy in Romania
emailed me. WILD !
http://rafb.net/paste/results/lCz5eL18.htmlThe Yamaha DTXtremeIIs also supports sample import via smartmedia cards.
DDrum 4 supports one shot sampling import via MIDI.
DDrum 3 supports multi-layered sampling.
DDrum 5 should be something special in another year or three.
You don't necessarily need a dedicated computer to run Battery 2, BFD or
Superior.
BTW, Battery 2 lets import any .wav file or combination of files. You
can trigger them by velocity and even round robin left/right hits, it's
very flexible.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Don Nafe wrote:
> Ah forgot about the DM Pro
>
> dcn
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:44679c53@linux...
>> Not so fast :)
>>
>> My DM Pro allows me to purchase a blank 8 Mb card and load my own samples
>> in it. If there is another hardware drum specific machine/unit that allows
>> this I am not aware of it... with stuff out there like Drumagog I don't
>> expect that to change. One could however, do what you're saying with the
>> MPC and a drum trigger convertor.. which opens a whole world up. The
>> closest thing to that I know of is the SPD series from Roland.
>>
>> And yes, that was a good find on the roland kit John.
>>
>> AA
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:44679a4b$1@linux...
>>> Actually only the ddrum brain allows you to sample (I think)...the other
>>> option would be buying the pads and picking up an Akai MPC 2000 or
>>> 3000...which I believe allow you to load all sorts of samples
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>> ps. yes that was the steal of the century
>>>
>>>
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44677633$1@linux...
>>>> And it doesn't appear that the Rolands let you load samples. So if you
>>>> get
>>>> tired of the sounds you're screwed.
>>>>
>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>> If you're picky about the sound of cymbals hihats etc I think most will
>>>>> disappoint you, of course YMMV.
>>>>>
>>>>> the TD 20, ddrum etc are the top of the line (read $$$$) and the TD20
>>>>> has
>>>>> room for dozens of kits so I'd start my search there...also look at the
>>>>> Roland pads they're not too shabby.
>>>>>
>>>>> And Deej - Pierre at Hart is now recommending th new line of Roland drum
>>>>> triggers as the best on the market...in fact he raved about them
>>>>>
>>>>> Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44676c05$1@linux...
>>>>>> I'm really don't want a dedicated computer for drums so, are there any
>>>>>> expandable
>>>>>> sound modules that have DW quality drums and such where I can edit
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> (volumes/pans)
>>>>>> through midi and add sounds to them? Ideally I'd like a dozen
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> kits with pro rock and jazz kits and a few kits with wacky sounds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, what electronic drum kits are the best for realistic hi-hats?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hart dynamics are as good as they come. as for the sounds on the TD 12
>>>>>>> module, you will need to tweak them a bit and for me electronics still
>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>> fake but I am being incredible picky when I say that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In reality you'll have more control over your drums, use fewer tracks,
>>>> be
>>>>>>> able to easily alter drum tracks and as long as 1) the drums aren't
>>>>>>> incredibly prominent and 2) you learn how to tweak them, they can be a
>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>> realistic replacement for acoustic drums.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That being said you may want to look into BFD and/or DKFH as an
>>>>>>> accompaniment to this kit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YMMV
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44674516$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a stand alone system with great rock / jazz drum
>>>>>>>> sets.
>>>>>>>> Any
>>>>>>>> ideas? I like the demo of this drumset but don't know if their
>>>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> any good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.hartdynamics.tv/video/QT_HS_VIDEO/drumsets/HART_S TUDIO_MASTER_6-4_TD12.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>
>
>gene,
Are you running the new 424 PCIe cards? If yes, have you noticed a
difference in the audio? One last question. Have you tried the Black
Lion Mods?
On 16 May 2006 00:44:54 +1000, "gene lennon"
<glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>I may have made a discovery here. From the first day I began syncing Paris
>>on one computer and RME cards on another, I experienced instability unless
>I
>>first turned on all of my digital gadgets that are interfacing with whatever
>>DAW, then booted the RME computer first and then launched Cubase SX before
>I
>>launched Paris.
>>
>>Well, it turns out that the Mytek clock that is sending to *everything*
>in
>>the studio is *reclocked* by the RME card and so, apparently the digital
>>inputs from the RME cards to the Paris cards may be different from the clock
>>signal that Paris is sending from it's outputs that are locked to the Mytek
>>clock and sending to the RME digital inputs. For whatever reason, if the
>RME
>>is booted first, it has a chance to not only reclock the Mytek WC that is
>>feeding it, but also the Paris digital inputs that are feeding it.
>>
>>Now.....if my thinking is correct on this, I'm wondering if I should even
>>be using the Mytek at all. The specs on the Mytek (10ps) exceed the RME
>>clock, but if the RME clock is diddling around with this house clock signal,
>>it seems it would be a recipe for all sorts of mischief.
>>
>>Any thoughts on this? Could I be correct here?
>>
>I use a Mytek 8X96 as house clock and I have three RME 9652 cards in my setup
>plus a large MOTU rig, and I don’t have any similar issues. I do have a startup
>order, but I have some latitude with it. I am only running two MECs on a
>three card Paris rig. It was adding the third MEC that gave me some consistency
>issues, so I went back to 98se and two MECs.
>GeneCan any do hi-hats like the TD20 roland?
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>The Yamaha DTXtremeIIs also supports sample import via smartmedia cards.
>
>DDrum 4 supports one shot sampling import via MIDI.
>
>DDrum 3 supports multi-layered sampling.
>
>DDrum 5 should be something special in another year or three.
>
>You don't necessarily need a dedicated computer to run Battery 2, BFD or
>Superior.
>
>BTW, Battery 2 lets import any .wav file or combination of files. You
>can trigger them by velocity and even round robin left/right hits, it's
>very flexible.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>Don Nafe wrote:
>> Ah forgot about the DM Pro
>>
>> dcn
>>
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:44679c53@linux...
>>> Not so fast :)
>>>
>>> My DM Pro allows me to purchase a blank 8 Mb card and load my own samples
>>> in it. If there is another hardware drum specific machine/unit that allows
>>> this I am not aware of it... with stuff out there like Drumagog I don't
>>> expect that to change. One could however, do what you're saying with
the
>>> MPC and a drum trigger convertor.. which opens a whole world up. The
>>> closest thing to that I know of is the SPD series from Roland.
>>>
>>> And yes, that was a good find on the roland kit John.
>>>
>>> AA
>>>
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:44679a4b$1@linux...
>>>> Actually only the ddrum brain allows you to sample (I think)...the other
>>>> option would be buying the pads and picking up an Akai MPC 2000 or
>>>> 3000...which I believe allow you to load all sorts of samples
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>> ps. yes that was the steal of the century
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44677633$1@linux...
>>>>> And it doesn't appear that the Rolands let you load samples. So if
you
>>>>> get
>>>>> tired of the sounds you're screwed.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> If you're picky about the sound of cymbals hihats etc I think most
will
>>>>>> disappoint you, of course YMMV.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the TD 20, ddrum etc are the top of the line (read $$$$) and the TD20
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> room for dozens of kits so I'd start my search there...also look at
the
>>>>>> Roland pads they're not too shabby.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And Deej - Pierre at Hart is now recommending th new line of Roland
drum
>>>>>> triggers as the best on the market...in fact he raved about them
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44676c05$1@linux...
>>>>>>> I'm really don't want a dedicated computer for drums so, are there
any
>>>>>>> expandable
>>>>>>> sound modules that have DW quality drums and such where I can edit
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> (volumes/pans)
>>>>>>> through midi and add sounds to them? Ideally I'd like a dozen
>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>> kits with pro rock and jazz kits and a few kits with wacky sounds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, what electronic drum kits are the best for realistic hi-hats?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hart dynamics are as good as they come. as for the sounds on the
TD 12
>>>>>>>> module, you will need to tweak them a bit and for me electronics
still
>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>> fake but I am being incredible picky when I say that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In reality you'll have more control over your drums, use fewer tracks,
>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> able to easily alter drum tracks and as long as 1) the drums aren't
>>>>>>>> incredibly prominent and 2) you learn how to tweak them, they can
be a
>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>> realistic replacement for acoustic drums.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That being said you may want to look into BFD and/or DKFH as an
>>>>>>>> accompaniment to this kit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> YMMV
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44674516$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a stand alone system with great rock / jazz drum
>>>>>>>>> sets.
>>>>>>>>> Any
>>>>>>>>> ideas? I like the demo of this drumset but don't know if their
>>>>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> any good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.hartdynamics.tv/video/QT_HS_VIDEO/drumsets/HART_S TUDIO_MASTER_6-4_TD12.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>>
>>
>>I just posted aboout this over at GS, I need some opinions form Paris users.
This is regarding a mix due today.
here is the scenario, I am running this mix through a pair of BAE 312;s for
some coloration, the thing sounds great perfect ablsolutely brilliant, don't
touch a thing type or deal, however, as I was dumping the mix down, I noticed
on snare hit clipping the 8in lights...just one snare hit in the whole song.
Now I tried muting the snare tracks, and of course the clip lights did not
fire.
So, I tried grouping the snare tracks and ducking them with automation, no
good, even all the way down they still clip!
So the only way to avoid this is to back down the submix faders goin inot
the 312's but I really feel this is diminsihing the enitre mix.
I want to know if it should just let it slide, as I can not hear it, and
the mix sounds better over all left alone and hot.,
I do rememebr BT sayin clipping the lights was ok on drums no?
Anyway, this track is maybe one of the coolest things I have ever worked
on, to all or any of you Clash fans out there, this is gonna blow your minds
(i hope!)
So thanks for the help.Red means on... ;-) Does it sound good? if so, who cares about the odd
channel clip... I know I don't.
David.
Cujo wrote:
> I just posted aboout this over at GS, I need some opinions form Paris users.
> This is regarding a mix due today.
> here is the scenario, I am running this mix through a pair of BAE 312;s for
> some coloration, the thing sounds great perfect ablsolutely brilliant, don't
> touch a thing type or deal, however, as I was dumping the mix down, I noticed
> on snare hit clipping the 8in lights...just one snare hit in the whole song.
> Now I tried muting the snare tracks, and of course the clip lights did not
> fire.
> So, I tried grouping the snare tracks and ducking them with automation, no
> good, even all the way down they still clip!
> So the only way to avoid this is to back down the submix faders goin inot
> the 312's but I really feel this is diminsihing the enitre mix.
> I want to know if it should just let it slide, as I can not hear it, and
> the mix sounds better over all left alone and hot.,
>
> I do rememebr BT sayin clipping the lights was ok on drums no?
>
> Anyway, this track is maybe one of the coolest things I have ever worked
> on, to all or any of you Clash fans out there, this is gonna blow your minds
> (i hope!)
> So thanks for the help.Not sure what you mean. What are you wanting the hihats to do specifically?
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
John wrote:
> Can any do hi-hats like the TD20 roland?
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> The Yamaha DTXtremeIIs also supports sample import via smartmedia cards.
>>
>> DDrum 4 supports one shot sampling import via MIDI.
>>
>> DDrum 3 supports multi-layered sampling.
>>
>> DDrum 5 should be something special in another year or three.
>>
>> You don't necessarily need a dedicated computer to run Battery 2, BFD or
>
>> Superior.
>>
>> BTW, Battery 2 lets import any .wav file or combination of files. You
>> can trigger them by velocity and even round robin left/right hits, it's
>
>> very flexible.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>> Ah forgot about the DM Pro
>>>
>>> dcn
>>>
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:44679c53@linux...
>>>> Not so fast :)
>>>>
>>>> My DM Pro allows me to purchase a blank 8 Mb card and load my own samples
>
>>>> in it. If there is another hardware drum specific machine/unit that allows
>
>>>> this I am not aware of it... with stuff out there like Drumagog I don't
>
>>>> expect that to change. One could however, do what you're saying with
> the
>>>> MPC and a drum trigger convertor.. which opens a whole world up. The
>
>>>> closest thing to that I know of is the SPD series from Roland.
>>>>
>>>> And yes, that was a good find on the roland kit John.
>>>>
>>>> AA
>>>>
>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:44679a4b$1@linux...
>>>>> Actually only the ddrum brain allows you to sample (I think)...the other
>
>>>>> option would be buying the pads and picking up an Akai MPC 2000 or
>>>>> 3000...which I believe allow you to load all sorts of samples
>>>>>
>>>>> Don
>>>>>
>>>>> ps. yes that was the steal of the century
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44677633$1@linux...
>>>>>> And it doesn't appear that the Rolands let you load samples. So if
> you
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> tired of the sounds you're screwed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>> If you're picky about the sound of cymbals hihats etc I think most
> will
>>>>>>> disappoint you, of course YMMV.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the TD 20, ddrum etc are the top of the line (read $$$$) and the TD20
>
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> room for dozens of kits so I'd start my search there...also look at
> the
>>>>>>> Roland pads they're not too shabby.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And Deej - Pierre at Hart is now recommending th new line of Roland
> drum
>>>>>>> triggers as the best on the market...in fact he raved about them
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44676c05$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> I'm really don't want a dedicated computer for drums so, are there
> any
>>>>>>>> expandable
>>>>>>>> sound modules that have DW quality drums and such where I can edit
>
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> (volumes/pans)
>>>>>>>> through midi and add sounds to them? Ideally I'd like a dozen
>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>> kits with pro rock and jazz kits and a few kits with wacky sounds.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, what electronic drum kits are the best for realistic hi-hats?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hart dynamics are as good as they come. as for the sounds on the
> TD 12
>>>>>>>>> module, you will need to tweak them a bit and for me electronics
> still
>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>> fake but I am being incredible picky when I say that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In reality you'll have more control over your drums, use fewer tracks,
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> able to easily alter drum tracks and as long as 1) the drums aren't
>>>>>>>>> incredibly prominent and 2) you learn how to tweak them, they can
> be a
>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>> realistic replacement for acoustic drums.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That being said you may want to look into BFD and/or DKFH as an
>>>>>>>>> accompaniment to this kit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> YMMV
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44674516$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a stand alone system with great rock / jazz drum
>
>>>>>>>>>> sets.
>>>>>>>>>> Any
>>>>>>>>>> ideas? I like the demo of this drumset but don't know if their
>
>>>>>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> any good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hartdynamics.tv/video/QT_HS_VIDEO/drumsets/HART_S TUDIO_MASTER_6-4_TD12.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>>>
>>>
>Well, another vote in that direction.
It is of course the mix buss return clipping. so I want to be carefull,
EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>Red means on... ;-) Does it sound good? if so, who cares about the odd
>channel clip... I know I don't.
>
>David.
>
>Cujo wrote:
>> I just posted aboout this over at GS, I need some opinions form Paris
users.
>> This is regarding a mix due today.
>> here is the scenario, I am running this mix through a pair of BAE 312;s
for
>> some coloration, the thing sounds great perfect ablsolutely brilliant,
don't
>> touch a thing type or deal, however, as I was dumping the mix down, I
noticed
>> on snare hit clipping the 8in lights...just one snare hit in the whole
song.
>> Now I tried muting the snare tracks, and of course the clip lights did
not
>> fire.
>> So, I tried grouping the snare tracks and ducking them with automation,
no
>> good, even all the way down they still clip!
>> So the only way to avoid this is to back down the submix faders goin inot
>> the 312's but I really feel this is diminsihing the enitre mix.
>> I want to know if it should just let it slide, as I can not hear it, and
>> the mix sounds better over all left alone and hot.,
>>
>> I do rememebr BT sayin clipping the lights was ok on drums no?
>>
>> Anyway, this track is maybe one of the coolest things I have ever worked
>> on, to all or any of you Clash fans out there, this is gonna blow your
minds
>> (i hope!)
>> So thanks for the help.What do you mean by mix bus return? are you inserting a piece of gear
onto the mix bus? if so attenuate slightly there.
David.
Cujo wrote:
> Well, another vote in that direction.
> It is of course the mix buss return clipping. so I want to be carefull,
>
>
>
>
>
> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Red means on... ;-) Does it sound good? if so, who cares about the odd
>>channel clip... I know I don't.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Cujo wrote:
>>
>>>I just posted aboout this over at GS, I need some opinions form Paris
>
> users.
>
>>>This is regarding a mix due today.
>>>here is the scenario, I am running this mix through a pair of BAE 312;s
>
> for
>
>>>some coloration, the thing sounds great perfect ablsolutely brilliant,
>
> don't
>
>>>touch a thing type or deal, however, as I was dumping the mix down, I
>
> noticed
>
>>>on snare hit clipping the 8in lights...just one snare hit in the whole
>
> song.
>
>>>Now I tried muting the snare tracks, and of course the clip lights did
>
> not
>
>>>fire.
>>>So, I tried grouping the snare tracks and ducking them with automation,
>
> no
>
>>>good, even all the way down they still clip!
>>>So the only way to avoid this is to back down the submix faders goin inot
>>>the 312's but I really feel this is diminsihing the enitre mix.
>>>I want to know if it should just let it slide, as I can not hear it, and
>>>the mix sounds better over all left alone and hot.,
>>>
>>>I do rememebr BT sayin clipping the lights was ok on drums no?
>>>
>>>Anyway, this track is maybe one of the coolest things I have ever worked
>>>on, to all or any of you Clash fans out there, this is gonna blow your
>
> minds
>
>>>(i hope!)
>>>So thanks for the help.Most electronic drums suck on doing authentic hi-hat. So I"m looking for
a drum set that does hi-hat like a real one. The TD20 is amazing but 5 grand.
lJamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>Not sure what you mean. What are you wanting the hihats to do specifically?
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>John wrote:
>> Can any do hi-hats like the TD20 roland?
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>> The Yamaha DTXtremeIIs also supports sample import via smartmedia cards.
>>>
>>> DDrum 4 supports one shot sampling import via MIDI.
>>>
>>> DDrum 3 supports multi-layered sampling.
>>>
>>> DDrum 5 should be something special in another year or three.
>>>
>>> You don't necessarily need a dedicated computer to run Battery 2, BFD
or
>>
>>> Superior.
>>>
>>> BTW, Battery 2 lets import any .wav file or combination of files. You
>>> can trigger them by velocity and even round robin left/right hits, it's
>>
>>> very flexible.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>>> Ah forgot about the DM Pro
>>>>
>>>> dcn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:44679c53@linux...
>>>>> Not so fast :)
>>>>>
>>>>> My DM Pro allows me to purchase a blank 8 Mb card and load my own samples
>>
>>>>> in it. If there is another hardware drum specific machine/unit that
allows
>>
>>>>> this I am not aware of it... with stuff out there like Drumagog I don't
>>
>>>>> expect that to change. One could however, do what you're saying with
>> the
>>>>> MPC and a drum trigger convertor.. which opens a whole world up. The
>>
>>>>> closest thing to that I know of is the SPD series from Roland.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, that was a good find on the roland kit John.
>>>>>
>>>>> AA
>>>>>
>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:44679a4b$1@linux...
>>>>>> Actually only the ddrum brain allows you to sample (I think)...the
other
>>
>>>>>> option would be buying the pads and picking up an Akai MPC 2000 or
>>>>>> 3000...which I believe allow you to load all sorts of samples
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ps. yes that was the steal of the century
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44677633$1@linux...
>>>>>>> And it doesn't appear that the Rolands let you load samples. So if
>> you
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> tired of the sounds you're screwed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> If you're picky about the sound of cymbals hihats etc I think most
>> will
>>>>>>>> disappoint you, of course YMMV.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the TD 20, ddrum etc are the top of the line (read $$$$) and the
TD20
>>
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> room for dozens of kits so I'd start my search there...also look
at
>> the
>>>>>>>> Roland pads they're not too shabby.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And Deej - Pierre at Hart is now recommending th new line of Roland
>> drum
>>>>>>>> triggers as the best on the market...in fact he raved about them
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44676c05$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>> I'm really don't want a dedicated computer for drums so, are there
>> any
>>>>>>>>> expandable
>>>>>>>>> sound modules that have DW quality drums and such where I can edit
>>
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> (volumes/pans)
>>>>>>>>> through midi and add sounds to them? Ideally I'd like a dozen
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>>>href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com">OIUOIU@OIU.com</A>> wrote=20
>>> in message <A=20
>>> href=3D"news:44729718$1@linux">news:44729718$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>I
>>=
>>>have a=20
>>> bass track that this band I'm recording is happy with<BR>the sound of,
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>>>way: "They=20
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>>>improve upon=20
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>>>lol<BR><BR>Anyway,=20
>>> I'm thinking about reamping it or maybe Sans-amp-ing it,<BR>but here's
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Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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aybe I
> >>>should say it a different way: "They like it, but I think they
> >>>might like it even better if I could improve upon it :D
> >>>How's that for politically correct? lol
> >>>
> >>>Anyway, I'm thinking about reamping it or maybe Sans-amp-ing it,
> >>>but here's my question: If I pick up a Bass Sansamp, I know the
> >>>input isn't designed for line-level stuff, so if I run the
> >>>signal out of a line-level out on my convertors, then through a
> >>>mic pre that also has a line-level input and also an output
> >>>level control (of which I have a few), can I just feed a very
> >>>low level out of the preamp into the Sansamp input, or will I
> >>>run into impedance issues with this method?
> >>>
> >>>Reamping's no problem - I can easily rig that up, so if this
> >>>other option doesn't work, I can always fall back on that, but
> >>>for another choice, would a Sansamp box work in this instance?
> >>>
> >>>Problem is "Farty distortion", BTW. It may take a re-tracking
> >>>with a better input chain than the bass player's Carvin head
> >>>line-out jack, but I want to at least investigate other options
> >>>first. Worst bass sound I ever permitted to go to track... how's
> >>>that for an achievement? lol Totally my fault, though -
> >>>despite the band insisting they liked it, I should have at
> >>>least taken a direct feed though a preamp or direct box on
> >>>another channel, as well.
> >>>
> >>>Neil
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>I've been a huge King's X fan since 1990. I'm not sure that Doug's rant
here is anything that new. Too bad he continues to be so frustrated,
though. I saw these guys live in Chicago back in November, and it was
really amazing. They continue to be one of the tightest bands out there.
They certainly had a couple of rough records of late (Manic Moonlight, Tape
Head), but I thought their most recent (Ogre Tones) was a step back in the
right direction.
Anyway, I'm hoping they keep putting out records. Not sure what I'd do
without King's X around...
Brian
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:44733da4@linux...
> Good one DC! I think Aaron's right though. They should be able build a
> following in Europe. Most of the Inside Out Records artists have huge
> followings over there. I saw them live last fall in Cedar Falls, Iowa at a
> big club. Such a great show and great players. Too bad there was only a
> couple hundred people there. :>( I hope they find a way to keep going.
>
> Tony
>
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4472a50d$1@linux...
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
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