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Mon, 18 July 2005 11:40 |
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---=_linux4313e14e--Damn!!!!!!!!!......so man was made in the Flying Spagetti Monster's image?
There goes the neighborhood.
;o)
"DC" <dc@pastadeity.org> wrote in message news:4313e14e$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I yearn for simpler solutions......like the Spagetti Monster. Since no
one
> >can prove for sure that there is or isn't a Spagetti Monster
>
>
> A-HAH!
>
> But you are wrong, doubting Thomas...
>
>
> Here is positive proof:
>
>Nice post here.
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4313d0ae$1@linux...
>
> Here are some notes I copied (I have these stored as sampleslide presets)
> on lookahead makeup values
>
> 1. EDS effect. 1ms back and 78 samples forward
>
>
> 2.EDS effect w/.001 lookahead 1ms back and 33 samples
> forward (You might have to click the lookahead to 0 and back to 1)
>
> 3.EDS effct w/.002 lookahead, Back 2ms and forward 67 samples
>
> 4. w/.003 lookahead, Back 2ms and forward 21 samples
>
> 5. w/.004 lookahead, Back 3ms and forward 56 samples
>
> 6. w/.005 lookahead, Back 3ms and forward 10 samples
>
>
>
> No Limit ...no lookahead...Back 1ms and forward 78 samples
>
> " " 1ms lookahead....Back 1ms and forward 30 samples
>
> " " 25ms lookahead....Back 27ms(25+1+1) and forward 78 samples
>
>
> I don't really go beyond 5 ms for lookahead, except for NoLimit,
> where I usually use 25 ms lookahead.
> I do know that nudging a track 7x1ms is NOT the same as 5+1+1 in Paris.
> I forgot what the sample diff is. I just have combinations logged that
work
> for me and keep them as notes within the sampleslide presets.
> Rod
>
>
>
>
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >Regarding lookahead.
> >How do you compensate ?
> >Say you have 7 ms lookahead, you nudge 7 times 1ms to the left or one
5ms
> >and two 1ms ?
> >Is this the same ?
> >I read that 1ms is 80 samples but 5 ms is not 5x80=4000 but instead 240
> !!
> >What do you do ?
> >Dimitrios
> >
> >"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com> wrote in message
> >news:43134d1c$1@linux...
> >>
> >> every eds effect (compressor, gate, etc) has 2 samples of latency, and
> the
> >> aux's have 2 samples also, so you would be correct with 4 samples,
> >assuming
> >> no look ahead.
> >> Rod
> >> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >> >One correction, here it goes again...
> >> >I was having already btwo instances of compression open with lookahead
> so
> >> >the 236 was reffering to those two compressors too, sorry...
> >> >The actual latency is 4 samples.
> >> >Yes only 4 samples when you send via aux to a eds compressor with 0
> >> >lookahead.
> >> >So to compensate you have to nudge for 1ms (80 samples) , thus voxengo
> >> >sample delay should be 76 samples...
> >> >I hope now I got this right.
> >> >Sorry again for beeing so quick with my posts without double checking
> >first.
> >> >Dimitrios
> >> >"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
> >news:4313339c$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> May also be cool to put some bass guitar in there.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Nice job on getting those numbers!
> >> >> >Seems like the same idea I was saying, you are just using the first
> >set
> >> >> as
> >> >> >the aux..and the copied set as the play back? AM I missing
something
> >> >though?
> >> >> >Could mean the need for another EDS card,.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >> >> >>Ok,
> >> >> >>Here is the other way of doing it .
> >> >> >>You have only to move the original auxed drumtracks.
> >> >> >>First you copy the drumtracks to adjastend tracks.
> >> >> >>Then you aux the non copied with Stereo compressor as I detaled
> >before.
> >> >> >>Then you put faders at minimum -90 position for those drumtracks.
> >> >> >>They now serve only for aux feeding.
> >> >> >>Now you nudge them by 5ms to the left and put sampledelay on
Native
> >> slot
> >> >> >and
> >> >> >>put a 4 sample latency there (remember the aux procedure needs 236
> >> >samples
> >> >> >,
> >> >> >>5ms=240-4=236)
> >> >> >>Now all are sample accurate !
> >> >> >>Regards,
> >> >> >>Dimitrios
> >> >> >>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:43131153$1@linux...
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> How could we solve the flanging?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> COuld we say, copy all the drum tracks to an adjacent 7 group of
> >> >tracks,
> >> >> >>> slide em ahead, than sample slide back (Like UAD1 Situation)
them
> >> >before
> >> >> >>> sending em to the AUX1? Then tuck em under the original
drumtracks?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> would sample slide be before the Aux send?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >> >> >>> >To group your drumtracks and send them thru stereo compression
> >,only
> >> >> >one
> >> >> >>> EDS
> >> >> >>> >stereo instance I am sure most of you are already using this
but
> >> >maybe
> >> >> >>still
> >> >> >>> >some never tried...
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >1.You put stereo compressor EDS on AUX1.
> >> >> >>> >2.You put on every drumtrack you wanna compress the aux1 in
> >prefader
> >> >> >>status
> >> >> >>> >and control with auxe's panpot level the place you wanna put it
> in
> >> >the
> >> >> >>> >stereo field.
> >> >> >>> >3.You push the fader all the way down -90 as to not have
flanging
> >> on
> >> >> >your
> >> >> >>> >drumsounds.
> >> >> >>> >4. You control indivindual drumlevels from Aux1 level knob and
> >> >pannong
> >> >> >>from
> >> >> >>> >panpot knob.
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >5. For you comressor outpout level you have that on Auxe's 1
> >return
> >> >> knob
> >> >> >>> >with panpot again possibilities.
> >> >> >>> >6. For EQ you put after the stereo compressor in aux1 the
FreakQ
> >> >which
> >> >> >is
> >> >> >>> >also stereo to have control over frequencies.
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >7. That makes me happy as opposed to using UAD1
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >Regards,
> >> >> >>> >Dimitrios
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>Hmmm.....Paris DAW
10G system drive
2 x 100 G IDE Drives
2 x 36G SATA drives
Cubase DAW-
60G System Drive
100G IDE Drive
160G IDE Drive
2 x 250G USB 2.0 Drives
Letsee......that's 1102 Gigabytes. Since these computers are networked and
basically functioning as one DAW, I guess maybe this qualifies me for the
Terabyte club?
;oP
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4312df04$1@linux...
>
>
> I've just bought these 2 x 250Gig drives. Plus my old 120Gig is still in
> the box, in addition to my old old 27Gig... all up that's... err...
647Gig!
>
> Surely somebody here has a terrabyte in their Paris box? :o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.I've been thinking that maybe we musicians and engineers have been looking
at this business all wrong. We charge for what we do rather than what might
happen to us tomorrow. Tsk, tsk, tsk. How shortsighted we are! For
example, in the oil industry, if your customer goes on vacation during the
summer, the price of a barrel goes up. A hurricane blows through the Gulf
of Mexico, the price goes up. Not because it has to, but just because it
might slow down the production rate by an imperceptible amount. From the AP
News wire on Katrina:
"Oil refiners said damage to their equipment in the Gulf region appeared to
be minimal, and oil prices dropped back from the day's highs above $70 a
barrel" (Yahoo/AP News).
Brilliant! This is the beauty of the law of controlling supply and
demanding demand, albeit, shall we say, a "slightly altered" approach to the
Economics 101 version once boringly named the law of "supply and
demand"[yawn], which was naively reactive. So, based on this more forward
thinking, proactive method of speculative pricing, my company's rate went up
by $5/hr yesterday because I was looking at some sweet mic pres (they were
pretty sweet, not really sweet, or it would have been $10/hr). I thought
about lowering it back down again when I didn't buy them, but nobody who
matters asked why (and nobody else really matters), so I figured, why
bother? Next week I think a client might get in a jam and need an extra few
hours to complete their project - rate goes up tomorrow! Today my rate just
went up because I might need a new car someday - probably a hydrogen fuel
cell car. I'm sure the Flying Spaghetti Monster would approve whole-noodly.
;-)
Dedric............hmmmm........I like this!!! I probably need a new API console and
a new studio building to put it in......and a Bosendorfer for the 4000 sq
ft. live room. My rates just went up to $1000.00 per day.
Take a number and .....hey stop cutting in line!!!!!
;o)
"DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
news:BF395DC8.3EFD%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
> I've been thinking that maybe we musicians and engineers have been looking
> at this business all wrong. We charge for what we do rather than what
might
> happen to us tomorrow. Tsk, tsk, tsk. How shortsighted we are! For
> example, in the oil industry, if your customer goes on vacation during the
> summer, the price of a barrel goes up. A hurricane blows through the Gulf
> of Mexico, the price goes up. Not because it has to, but just because it
> might slow down the production rate by an imperceptible amount. From the
AP
> News wire on Katrina:
>
> "Oil refiners said damage to their equipment in the Gulf region appeared
to
> be minimal, and oil prices dropped back from the day's highs above $70 a
> barrel" (Yahoo/AP News).
>
> Brilliant! This is the beauty of the law of controlling supply and
> demanding demand, albeit, shall we say, a "slightly altered" approach to
the
> Economics 101 version once boringly named the law of "supply and
> demand"[yawn], which was naively reactive. So, based on this more forward
> thinking, proactive method of speculative pricing, my company's rate went
up
> by $5/hr yesterday because I was looking at some sweet mic pres (they were
> pretty sweet, not really sweet, or it would have been $10/hr). I thought
> about lowering it back down again when I didn't buy them, but nobody who
> matters asked why (and nobody else really matters), so I figured, why
> bother? Next week I think a client might get in a jam and need an extra
few
> hours to complete their project - rate goes up tomorrow! Today my rate
just
> went up because I might need a new car someday - probably a hydrogen fuel
> cell car. I'm sure the Flying Spaghetti Monster would approve
whole-noodly.
>
> ;-)
>
> Dedric
>Yes, yes, yes, yes, I know, I know, I know, I know, I'm late to the party.
I always knew how good it was but just never forked out the cash for it because
I figured "How often do you really have to reload your machine?".
This new box though with all the HDD space in the world got me thinking that
"If I want to have 6 partitions all with different purposes all running XP,
it's going to speed things up a lot if I can copy an image from place to
place...".
And OH MY!!! How FAST is it?
I've got a clean Windows XP install, with all the latest drivers, Service
Packs, Windows updates, Acrobat Reader, WinRAR, Video Codecs and Firefox.
Just my basic beginners install to which I can add the optional applications.
I don't know how big it is. Maybe 3-4 Gig I'd guess.
So I ghosted an image of the whole thing, with high compression. About 5
and a half minutes.
I start ghosting it on to other partitions on the other SATA HDD. I can create
a whole extra boot of Windows, complete with all the updates and basic essentials
loaded... probably 5 hours work, and it takes about 3 minutes. 3 minutes
and the whole thing is on another partition.
If I'd realised just how quick and easy it is, I would have bought it years
ago.
This thing is better than sliced bread. I mean some people make a big deal
about sliced bread, but honestly it doesn't take hours to slice off a peice
of bread. Loading windows, drivers, updates, accessories... now that takes
time.
Anyone who doesn't have Ghost, honestly, go get it NOW! Especially if you
have a DVD burner, because you can image your drives to DVD and load them
back up at will. If your system goes crazy during a tracking session you
can load up a working install in maybe 10 minutes and you're back.
I feel stupid for not getting it sooner. At least I wont be wasting my life
any more.
Cheers,
Kim.i'm gonna go for broke and charge $10,000,000.00 per day to cull out
those who musically suck and those who can't pay and suck musically.
damn, wish i had thought of this years ago, i'm ordering that new car
right now.
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:10:11 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>...........hmmmm........I like this!!! I probably need a new API console and
>a new studio building to put it in......and a Bosendorfer for the 4000 sq
>ft. live room. My rates just went up to $1000.00 per day.
>
>Take a number and .....hey stop cutting in line!!!!!
>
>;o)
>
>"DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
>news:BF395DC8.3EFD%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>> I've been thinking that maybe we musicians and engineers have been looking
>> at this business all wrong. We charge for what we do rather than what
>might
>> happen to us tomorrow. Tsk, tsk, tsk. How shortsighted we are! For
>> example, in the oil industry, if your customer goes on vacation during the
>> summer, the price of a barrel goes up. A hurricane blows through the Gulf
>> of Mexico, the price goes up. Not because it has to, but just because it
>> might slow down the production rate by an imperceptible amount. From the
>AP
>> News wire on Katrina:
>>
>> "Oil refiners said damage to their equipment in the Gulf region appeared
>to
>> be minimal, and oil prices dropped back from the day's highs above $70 a
>> barrel" (Yahoo/AP News).
>>
>> Brilliant! This is the beauty of the law of controlling supply and
>> demanding demand, albeit, shall we say, a "slightly altered" approach to
>the
>> Economics 101 version once boringly named the law of "supply and
>> demand"[yawn], which was naively reactive. So, based on this more forward
>> thinking, proactive method of speculative pricing, my company's rate went
>up
>> by $5/hr yesterday because I was looking at some sweet mic pres (they were
>> pretty sweet, not really sweet, or it would have been $10/hr). I thought
>> about lowering it back down again when I didn't buy them, but nobody who
>> matters asked why (and nobody else really matters), so I figured, why
>> bother? Next week I think a client might get in a jam and need an extra
>few
>> hours to complete their project - rate goes up tomorrow! Today my rate
>just
>> went up because I might need a new car someday - probably a hydrogen fuel
>> cell car. I'm sure the Flying Spaghetti Monster would approve
>whole-noodly.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>....just by the way.
Looks like this latest attempt with new HDDs and a different copy of XP has
done the deed. 3rd day in and not a BSOD in sight.
Now moving on to loading Paris, and, well, everything else that's needed...
Cheers,
Kim.Not sure. Aaron might know.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4313adeb$1@linux...
>
> Did he sell his studio/house in TN? Sure was a nice place.
>
> James
>
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>A long time ago I heard there were family health issues but have not
>>heard a peep. Anyone know how this fine man and family is doing ?
>>
>>John
>so did he bail on Paris too. bummer !
Mark McCurdy wrote:
> Not sure. Aaron might know.
>
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4313adeb$1@linux...
>
>>Did he sell his studio/house in TN? Sure was a nice place.
>>
>>James
>>
>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>>A long time ago I heard there were family health issues but have not
>>>heard a peep. Anyone know how this fine man and family is doing ?
>>>
>>>John
>>
>
>another person sees the light!
:-)
rod
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Yes, yes, yes, yes, I know, I know, I know, I know, I'm late to the party.
>
>I always knew how good it was but just never forked out the cash for it
because
>I figured "How often do you really have to reload your machine?".
>
>This new box though with all the HDD space in the world got me thinking
that
>"If I want to have 6 partitions all with different purposes all running
XP,
>it's going to speed things up a lot if I can copy an image from place to
>place...".
>
>And OH MY!!! How FAST is it?
>
>I've got a clean Windows XP install, with all the latest drivers, Service
>Packs, Windows updates, Acrobat Reader, WinRAR, Video Codecs and Firefox.
>Just my basic beginners install to which I can add the optional applications.
>I don't know how big it is. Maybe 3-4 Gig I'd guess.
>
>So I ghosted an image of the whole thing, with high compression. About 5
>and a half minutes.
>
>I start ghosting it on to other partitions on the other SATA HDD. I can
create
>a whole extra boot of Windows, complete with all the updates and basic essentials
>loaded... probably 5 hours work, and it takes about 3 minutes. 3 minutes
>and the whole thing is on another partition.
>
>If I'd realised just how quick and easy it is, I would have bought it years
>ago.
>
>This thing is better than sliced bread. I mean some people make a big deal
>about sliced bread, but honestly it doesn't take hours to slice off a peice
>of bread. Loading windows, drivers, updates, accessories... now that takes
>time.
>
>Anyone who doesn't have Ghost, honestly, go get it NOW! Especially if you
>have a DVD burner, because you can image your drives to DVD and load them
>back up at will. If your system goes crazy during a tracking session you
>can load up a working install in maybe 10 minutes and you're back.
>
>I feel stupid for not getting it sooner. At least I wont be wasting my life
>any more.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.You mean you guys don't do this already? Jeez..I've been doing this for years
now.
8op
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>i'm gonna go for broke and charge $10,000,000.00 per day to cull out
>those who musically suck and those who can't pay and suck musically.
>
>damn, wish i had thought of this years ago, i'm ordering that new car
>right now.
>
>
>On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:10:11 -0600, "DJ"
><animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>>...........hmmmm........I like this!!! I probably need a new API console
and
>>a new studio building to put it in......and a Bosendorfer for the 4000
sq
>>ft. live room. My rates just went up to $1000.00 per day.
>>
>>Take a number and .....hey stop cutting in line!!!!!
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
>>news:BF395DC8.3EFD%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>>> I've been thinking that maybe we musicians and engineers have been looking
>>> at this business all wrong. We charge for what we do rather than what
>>might
>>> happen to us tomorrow. Tsk, tsk, tsk. How shortsighted we are! For
>>> example, in the oil industry, if your customer goes on vacation during
the
>>> summer, the price of a barrel goes up. A hurricane blows through the
Gulf
>>> of Mexico, the price goes up. Not because it has to, but just because
it
>>> might slow down the production rate by an imperceptible amount. From
the
>>AP
>>> News wire on Katrina:
>>>
>>> "Oil refiners said damage to their equipment in the Gulf region appeared
>>to
>>> be minimal, and oil prices dropped back from the day's highs above $70
a
>>> barrel" (Yahoo/AP News).
>>>
>>> Brilliant! This is the beauty of the law of controlling supply and
>>> demanding demand, albeit, shall we say, a "slightly altered" approach
to
>>the
>>> Economics 101 version once boringly named the law of "supply and
>>> demand"[yawn], which was naively reactive. So, based on this more forward
>>> thinking, proactive method of speculative pricing, my company's rate
went
>>up
>>> by $5/hr yesterday because I was looking at some sweet mic pres (they
were
>>> pretty sweet, not really sweet, or it would have been $10/hr). I thought
>>> about lowering it back down again when I didn't buy them, but nobody
who
>>> matters asked why (and nobody else really matters), so I figured, why
>>> bother? Next week I think a client might get in a jam and need an extra
>>few
>>> hours to complete their project - rate goes up tomorrow! Today my rate
>>just
>>> went up because I might need a new car someday - probably a hydrogen
fuel
>>> cell car. I'm sure the Flying Spaghetti Monster would approve
>>whole-noodly.
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>
>He has 4 Nuendo dual-Opteron rigs running. I believe I read on the Nuendo
forum the church also has Euphonix consoles - MADI from Nuendo to consoles
for tracking, etc (mixing - ?). That's just putting pieces of other posts
together. Maybe he'll pop in and say hi sometime, unless someone else has
talked to him recently.
Regards,
Dedric
On 8/30/05 6:31 AM, in article 431451a5@linux, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
> so did he bail on Paris too. bummer !
>
> Mark McCurdy wrote:
>> Not sure. Aaron might know.
>>
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4313adeb$1@linux...
>>
>>> Did he sell his studio/house in TN? Sure was a nice place.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A long time ago I heard there were family health issues but have not
>>>> heard a peep. Anyone know how this fine man and family is doing ?
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>
>>
>>I was thinking of trying an FM transmitter to monitor out in my car and
other home stereo devices.
Anyone doing this?
I would think it would kick the shit out of burning test CD after CD.
Any suggestions?
http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/radi/canux300.htmWell, when the church moved into the old Compaq Center in Houston (Where the
Rockets used to play) that tells you what kind of budget they have. :)
I do see him post on the Nuendo site once in a while.
"DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
news:BF39D1BD.3F0E%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
> He has 4 Nuendo dual-Opteron rigs running. I believe I read on the Nuendo
> forum the church also has Euphonix consoles - MADI from Nuendo to consoles
> for tracking, etc (mixing - ?). That's just putting pieces of other posts
> together. Maybe he'll pop in and say hi sometime, unless someone else has
> talked to him recently.
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> On 8/30/05 6:31 AM, in article 431451a5@linux, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>> so did he bail on Paris too. bummer !
>>
>> Mark McCurdy wrote:
>>> Not sure. Aaron might know.
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4313adeb$1@linux...
>>>
>>>> Did he sell his studio/house in TN? Sure was a nice place.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A long time ago I heard there were family health issues but have not
>>>>> heard a peep. Anyone know how this fine man and family is doing ?
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>I read about that - sounds like it was a pretty smart move - leasing the
Compaq Center is way cheaper than building a facility of that size. I'm
sure Brian is in heaven with a good budget and constant media work
happening. Lakewood was smart to bring him on board. If anyone talks to
him, wish him well for the rest of us.
Regards,
Dedric
in article 431485ae$1@linux, Mark McCurdy at gmmccurdy@hotmail.com wrote on
8/30/05 11:13 AM:
> Well, when the church moved into the old Compaq Center in Houston (Where the
> Rockets used to play) that tells you what kind of budget they have. :)
>
> I do see him post on the Nuendo site once in a while.
>
> "DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
> news:BF39D1BD.3F0E%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>> He has 4 Nuendo dual-Opteron rigs running. I believe I read on the Nuendo
>> forum the church also has Euphonix consoles - MADI from Nuendo to consoles
>> for tracking, etc (mixing - ?). That's just putting pieces of other posts
>> together. Maybe he'll pop in and say hi sometime, unless someone else has
>> talked to him recently.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 8/30/05 6:31 AM, in article 431451a5@linux, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>cool, so what car did you buy...i'm looking for suggestions.
;o)
On 30 Aug 2005 23:01:18 +1000, "Rod Lincoln"
<rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>You mean you guys don't do this already? Jeez..I've been doing this for years
>now.
>8op
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>i'm gonna go for broke and charge $10,000,000.00 per day to cull out
>>those who musically suck and those who can't pay and suck musically.
>>
>>damn, wish i had thought of this years ago, i'm ordering that new car
>>right now.
>>
>>
>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:10:11 -0600, "DJ"
>><animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>>>...........hmmmm........I like this!!! I probably need a new API console
>and
>>>a new studio building to put it in......and a Bosendorfer for the 4000
>sq
>>>ft. live room. My rates just went up to $1000.00 per day.
>>>
>>>Take a number and .....hey stop cutting in line!!!!!
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>"DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>news:BF395DC8.3EFD%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>>>> I've been thinking that maybe we musicians and engineers have been looking
>>>> at this business all wrong. We charge for what we do rather than what
>>>might
>>>> happen to us tomorrow. Tsk, tsk, tsk. How shortsighted we are! For
>>>> example, in the oil industry, if your customer goes on vacation during
>the
>>>> summer, the price of a barrel goes up. A hurricane blows through the
>Gulf
>>>> of Mexico, the price goes up. Not because it has to, but just because
>it
>>>> might slow down the production rate by an imperceptible amount. From
>the
>>>AP
>>>> News wire on Katrina:
>>>>
>>>> "Oil refiners said damage to their equipment in the Gulf region appeared
>>>to
>>>> be minimal, and oil prices dropped back from the day's highs above $70
>a
>>>> barrel" (Yahoo/AP News).
>>>>
>>>> Brilliant! This is the beauty of the law of controlling supply and
>>>> demanding demand, albeit, shall we say, a "slightly altered" approach
>to
>>>the
>>>> Economics 101 version once boringly named the law of "supply and
>>>> demand"[yawn], which was naively reactive. So, based on this more forward
>>>> thinking, proactive method of speculative pricing, my company's rate
>went
>>>up
>>>> by $5/hr yesterday because I was looking at some sweet mic pres (they
>were
>>>> pretty sweet, not really sweet, or it would have been $10/hr). I thought
>>>> about lowering it back down again when I didn't buy them, but nobody
>who
>>>> matters asked why (and nobody else really matters), so I figured, why
>>>> bother? Next week I think a client might get in a jam and need an extra
>>>few
>>>> hours to complete their project - rate goes up tomorrow! Today my rate
>>>just
>>>> went up because I might need a new car someday - probably a hydrogen
>fuel
>>>> cell car. I'm sure the Flying Spaghetti Monster would approve
>>>whole-noodly.
>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>
>>i really liked the part where he pushes the penny up the door...i
cried for days.
On 30 Aug 2005 18:56:02 +1000, "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Yes, yes, yes, yes, I know, I know, I know, I know, I'm late to the party.
>
>I always knew how good it was but just never forked out the cash for it because
>I figured "How often do you really have to reload your machine?".
>
>This new box though with all the HDD space in the world got me thinking that
>"If I want to have 6 partitions all with different purposes all running XP,
>it's going to speed things up a lot if I can copy an image from place to
>place...".
>
>And OH MY!!! How FAST is it?
>
>I've got a clean Windows XP install, with all the latest drivers, Service
>Packs, Windows updates, Acrobat Reader, WinRAR, Video Codecs and Firefox.
>Just my basic beginners install to which I can add the optional applications.
>I don't know how big it is. Maybe 3-4 Gig I'd guess.
>
>So I ghosted an image of the whole thing, with high compression. About 5
>and a half minutes.
>
>I start ghosting it on to other partitions on the other SATA HDD. I can create
>a whole extra boot of Windows, complete with all the updates and basic essentials
>loaded... probably 5 hours work, and it takes about 3 minutes. 3 minutes
>and the whole thing is on another partition.
>
>If I'd realised just how quick and easy it is, I would have bought it years
>ago.
>
>This thing is better than sliced bread. I mean some people make a big deal
>about sliced bread, but honestly it doesn't take hours to slice off a peice
>of bread. Loading windows, drivers, updates, accessories... now that takes
>time.
>
>Anyone who doesn't have Ghost, honestly, go get it NOW! Especially if you
>have a DVD burner, because you can image your drives to DVD and load them
>back up at will. If your system goes crazy during a tracking session you
>can load up a working install in maybe 10 minutes and you're back.
>
>I feel stupid for not getting it sooner. At least I wont be wasting my life
>any more.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.That's very cool. I wonder how easy it is to override the FCC imposed
distance limitations, When we were kids we had a pirate FM station that
broadcast for almost a mile with a Radio Shack kit.
It really has a different purpose than replacing a burned CD. I always
thought it would be cool if someone made a plug-in that emulated the
brickwall limiter and pre-emphasis EQ of commercial radio stations, with
presets for different types of music. Then you could really hear how your
mixes will play on the radio.
RZ
"Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:43148120@linux...
> I was thinking of trying an FM transmitter to monitor out in my car and
> other home stereo devices.
> Anyone doing this?
> I would think it would kick the shit out of burning test CD after CD.
> Any suggestions?
>
>
>
>
> http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/radi/canux300.htm
>
>Anybody got experience with this? I've ghosted C drive (containing a relatively
clean XP install) on to a bunch of other partitions which will serve different
purposes and have different applications loaded.
I haven't explored the whole deal yet, but I have a couple of errors coming
up on N drive, which is one of the XP installs, and I'm wondering whether
N drive has its wires crossed because it thinks it should be C drive.
The reason I'm thinking this is that Firefox on N drive was still set to
download all files to the desktop. I downloaded something and found it wasn't
on the desktop. Upon exploration I found it had been loaded to the desktop
on C drive, rather than N drive. Hence I'm thinking that if Firefox is still
pointing at the C Drive desktop, how many other things are still pointing
at C drive?
Is this usually an issue? What's the deal here? Should I be able to Ghost
a partition to a different partition and boot to it, or is Ghost mostly only
useful for saving a given setup and restoring it on to the same partition?
Seems there would be a lot which Ghost would have to change in an OS to move
it's operational drive letter. The whole registry for starters...
Cheers,
Kim.LOL man.... I was way late to that party, 'eh?
Honestly think I'm slipping back a little on Paris things, just having other
priorities and limited brain RAM to put them these days.
How goes the band?
AA
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4313d202$1@linux...
>
> But in all other instances of Computer/Paris stuff I bow to you.
> :-)
> Rod
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>Beat you on that one Aaron. Check down the posts a little.
>>;-)
>>Rod
>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>Dimitrious/All,
>>>
>>>Once you start moving files around between submixes it introduces a new
>>
>>>timing issue.. sample level latency problems. My rig shows 10 samples
>>>submix
>>
>>>one to two and 2 samples for each submix thereafter. This might be the
> cause
>>
>>>of your phase issue?
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4313216d@linux...
>>>> Yes that would work as long as you could figure out exactly how many
>
>>>> samples
>>>> is the processing eating up.
>>>> That is with 0 lookahead.
>>>> Then you just nudge 1ms back for lookahead 1 and so on...
>>>> Nice.
>>>> I tried to find the latency but no lack.
>>>> Cannot seem to make sound almost dissapear even if compression is not
>>>> actually working , 1:1 ratio no threshold etc.
>>>> Can you try ?
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dimitrios
>>>> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:43131153$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> How could we solve the flanging?
>>>>>
>>>>> COuld we say, copy all the drum tracks to an adjacent 7 group of
>>>>> tracks,
>>>>> slide em ahead, than sample slide back (Like UAD1 Situation) them
>>>>> before
>>>>> sending em to the AUX1? Then tuck em under the original drumtracks?
>>>>>
>>>>> would sample slide be before the Aux send?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>> >To group your drumtracks and send them thru stereo compression ,only
>>one
>>>>> EDS
>>>>> >stereo instance I am sure most of you are already using this but
>>>>> >maybe
>>>> still
>>>>> >some never tried...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >1.You put stereo compressor EDS on AUX1.
>>>>> >2.You put on every drumtrack you wanna compress the aux1 in prefader
>>>> status
>>>>> >and control with auxe's panpot level the place you wanna put it in
> the
>>>>> >stereo field.
>>>>> >3.You push the fader all the way down -90 as to not have flanging on
>>
>>>>> >your
>>>>> >drumsounds.
>>>>> >4. You control indivindual drumlevels from Aux1 level knob and
>>>>> >pannong
>>>> from
>>>>> >panpot knob.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >5. For you comressor outpout level you have that on Auxe's 1 return
>>knob
>>>>> >with panpot again possibilities.
>>>>> >6. For EQ you put after the stereo compressor in aux1 the FreakQ
>>>>> >which
>>
>>>>> >is
>>>>> >also stereo to have control over frequencies.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >7. That makes me happy as opposed to using UAD1
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Regards,
>>>>> >Dimitrios
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>I've had some gator bites and snake bites in FL. *burp*
Louisiana is a special place. Arguably the best food in the country. I
hope they can reestablish. You know how bad bourbon st stank with the 300
years of piss? Maybe that will be cleaned up a bit.
Has anyone lived through a flood before? It almost calls for a rebuild.
You see the walmart and target with the flooded parking lots.... Imagine
inside that the flood has not only ruined all the product, but its starting
to fuck up the walls of the structure. All the electronics are starting
to rust. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire walmart needs to be rebuilt.
What a disaster. :( Mother nature will always fuck you up. When I go
hiking in the White Mountains and mother nature starts to build a storm, you
always have to know that you fuck with mother nature, you play by her rules.
P.S. Its no joke that the N.O. style Hurricaines are the strongest cocktail
on the planet, with 4 shots of Bacardi 151
P.P.S. US Refuge camps are about to come online, publically.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4313d0ab$1@linux...
>I used to live in Hammond Louisiana and have partaken of both snake and
> gator, garnished with shrimp with a remoulade made from Heinz ketchup, a
> small dollop of mayonaise and a larger dollop of freshly ground
> horseradish
> and black pepper, subsequently washed down with homemade strawberry wine.
> Sometimes I miss living in Louisiana. It was a fun place to live and to
> eat,
> though I don't think I drew a sober breath the entire time I was living
> there. Didn't seem to matter too much. No one else there was sober either.
>
> ;o)
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:4313c79b$1@linux...
>> You can fry and eat 'em both. Many folks have, many will again...
>>
>>
>> Jimmy
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>
>> >
>> > They're gonna be wrangling gators and snakes in the French Quarter
>> tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>
>4-year Ghost habit right here. Kim, the first time you need to reghost your
box, you can multiply your present elation by 12 or so.
Dubya
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43141f22$1@linux...
>
>
> Yes, yes, yes, yes, I know, I know, I know, I know, I'm late to the party.
>
> I always knew how good it was but just never forked out the cash for it
> because
> I figured "How often do you really have to reload your machine?".
>
> This new box though with all the HDD space in the world got me thinking
> that
> "If I want to have 6 partitions all with different purposes all running
> XP,
> it's going to speed things up a lot if I can copy an image from place to
> place...".
>
> And OH MY!!! How FAST is it?
>
> I've got a clean Windows XP install, with all the latest drivers, Service
> Packs, Windows updates, Acrobat Reader, WinRAR, Video Codecs and Firefox.
> Just my basic beginners install to which I can add the optional
> applications.
> I don't know how big it is. Maybe 3-4 Gig I'd guess.
>
> So I ghosted an image of the whole thing, with high compression. About 5
> and a half minutes.
>
> I start ghosting it on to other partitions on the other SATA HDD. I can
> create
> a whole extra boot of Windows, complete with all the updates and basic
> essentials
> loaded... probably 5 hours work, and it takes about 3 minutes. 3 minutes
> and the whole thing is on another partition.
>
> If I'd realised just how quick and easy it is, I would have bought it
> years
> ago.
>
> This thing is better than sliced bread. I mean some people make a big deal
> about sliced bread, but honestly it doesn't take hours to slice off a
> peice
> of bread. Loading windows, drivers, updates, accessories... now that
> takes
> time.
>
> Anyone who doesn't have Ghost, honestly, go get it NOW! Especially if you
> have a DVD burner, because you can image your drives to DVD and load them
> back up at will. If your system goes crazy during a tracking session you
> can load up a working install in maybe 10 minutes and you're back.
>
> I feel stupid for not getting it sooner. At least I wont be wasting my
> life
> any more.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.Man.....I've had a real left brainer today. Intense stuff involving lots of
detail work using all of my analytical/logical/rational synapses. I'm so
mentally spent that I almost feel hung over.
Now I'm home, I've taken a bit of a break and I've got a couple of songs to
mix tonight and I'm just totally flatlined as far as switching gears into a
more holistic frame of reference. This has to be the dominant head space for
me when I mix.....looking at the sum of the parts and feeling/listening my
way through the process, otherwise I'm not getting the big picture and my
mixes just don't come together.
Maybe trip across the street to the hot springs????....trouble is, I'm
already tired and I get so relaxed over there that I'll probably just go to
sleep when I get home.
Bitch, bitch, bitch......I just watched the news and saw the devastation on
the gulf coast. Relatively speaking I don't really have any problems.Man..........
You have a hot springs across the street?
We had illicit access to an abandoned hot springs-centered resort, up near
Asheville, NC, in the Black Mountains. We'd sneak in and bathe in the
silt-filled old marbel-lined pools, the water hot as hell itself in the
middle of a snow-bound NC winter, then go home and drink wine beside the
dogs by the wood stove.
I don't feel that good very often. There are few things that I el that good:
a week at the beach, maybe; Cuervo Gold and fine Colombian, that sort of
thing, maybe all of the above....
I would be in those hot, mineral-laden waters every damn day.
I can't make music without that feeling. However I get it.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43151778$1@linux...
> Man.....I've had a real left brainer today. Intense stuff involving lots
of
> detail work using all of my analytical/logical/rational synapses. I'm so
> mentally spent that I almost feel hung over.
>
> Now I'm home, I've taken a bit of a break and I've got a couple of songs
to
> mix tonight and I'm just totally flatlined as far as switching gears into
a
> more holistic frame of reference. This has to be the dominant head space
for
> me when I mix.....looking at the sum of the parts and feeling/listening my
> way through the process, otherwise I'm not getting the big picture and my
> mixes just don't come together.
>
> Maybe trip across the street to the hot springs????....trouble is, I'm
> already tired and I get so relaxed over there that I'll probably just go
to
> sleep when I get home.
>
> Bitch, bitch, bitch......I just watched the news and saw the devastation
on
> the gulf coast. Relatively speaking I don't really have any problems.
>
>Amen to that! Mark, you got me on the Ghost wagon at the start of my experience
with Paris and I can't thank you enough!
rod
"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote:
>4-year Ghost habit right here. Kim, the first time you need to reghost
your
>box, you can multiply your present elation by 12 or so.
>
>Dubya
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43141f22$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Yes, yes, yes, yes, I know, I know, I know, I know, I'm late to the party.
>>
>> I always knew how good it was but just never forked out the cash for it
>> because
>> I figured "How often do you really have to reload your machine?".
>>
>> This new box though with all the HDD space in the world got me thinking
>> that
>> "If I want to have 6 partitions all with different purposes all running
>> XP,
>> it's going to speed things up a lot if I can copy an image from place
to
>> place...".
>>
>> And OH MY!!! How FAST is it?
>>
>> I've got a clean Windows XP install, with all the latest drivers, Service
>> Packs, Windows updates, Acrobat Reader, WinRAR, Video Codecs and Firefox.
>> Just my basic beginners install to which I can add the optional
>> applications.
>> I don't know how big it is. Maybe 3-4 Gig I'd guess.
>>
>> So I ghosted an image of the whole thing, with high compression. About
5
>> and a half minutes.
>>
>> I start ghosting it on to other partitions on the other SATA HDD. I can
>> create
>> a whole extra boot of Windows, complete with all the updates and basic
>> essentials
>> loaded... probably 5 hours work, and it takes about 3 minutes. 3 minutes
>> and the whole thing is on another partition.
>>
>> If I'd realised just how quick and easy it is, I would have bought it
>> years
>> ago.
>>
>> This thing is better than sliced bread. I mean some people make a big
deal
>> about sliced bread, but honestly it doesn't take hours to slice off a
>> peice
>> of bread. Loading windows, drivers, updates, accessories... now that
>> takes
>> time.
>>
>> Anyone who doesn't have Ghost, honestly, go get it NOW! Especially if
you
>> have a DVD burner, because you can image your drives to DVD and load them
>> back up at will. If your system goes crazy during a tracking session you
>> can load up a working install in maybe 10 minutes and you're back.
>>
>> I feel stupid for not getting it sooner. At least I wont be wasting my
>> life
>> any more.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
>If you feel the need to work, nontheless... just pull up the
mix, listen without thinking for awhile, make some minor
adjustments based on what you heard, then go to bed.
Neil
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Man.....I've had a real left brainer today. Intense stuff involving lots
of
>detail work using all of my analytical/logical/rational synapses. I'm so
>mentally spent that I almost feel hung over.
>
>Now I'm home, I've taken a bit of a break and I've got a couple of songs
to
>mix tonight and I'm just totally flatlined as far as switching gears into
a
>more holistic frame of reference. This has to be the dominant head space
for
>me when I mix.....looking at the sum of the parts and feeling/listening
my
>way through the process, otherwise I'm not getting the big picture and my
>mixes just don't come together.
>
>Maybe trip across the street to the hot springs????....trouble is, I'm
>already tired and I get so relaxed over there that I'll probably just go
to
>sleep when I get home.
>
>Bitch, bitch, bitch......I just watched the news and saw the devastation
on
>the gulf coast. Relatively speaking I don't really have any problems.
>
>directly across the street.
http://www.trimblehotsprings.com/
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:43151aa9$1@linux...
> Man..........
>
> You have a hot springs across the street?
>
> We had illicit access to an abandoned hot springs-centered resort, up near
> Asheville, NC, in the Black Mountains. We'd sneak in and bathe in the
> silt-filled old marbel-lined pools, the water hot as hell itself in the
> middle of a snow-bound NC winter, then go home and drink wine beside the
> dogs by the wood stove.
>
> I don't feel that good very often. There are few things that I el that
good:
> a week at the beach, maybe; Cuervo Gold and fine Colombian, that sort of
> thing, maybe all of the above....
>
> I would be in those hot, mineral-laden waters every damn day.
>
> I can't make music without that feeling. However I get it.
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43151778$1@linux...
> > Man.....I've had a real left brainer today. Intense stuff involving lots
> of
> > detail work using all of my analytical/logical/rational synapses. I'm so
> > mentally spent that I almost feel hung over.
> >
> > Now I'm home, I've taken a bit of a break and I've got a couple of
songs
> to
> > mix tonight and I'm just totally flatlined as far as switching gears
into
> a
> > more holistic frame of reference. This has to be the dominant head space
> for
> > me when I mix.....looking at the sum of the parts and feeling/listening
my
> > way through the process, otherwise I'm not getting the big picture and
my
> > mixes just don't come together.
> >
> > Maybe trip across the street to the hot springs????....trouble is, I'm
> > already tired and I get so relaxed over there that I'll probably just go
> to
> > sleep when I get home.
> >
> > Bitch, bitch, bitch......I just watched the news and saw the devastation
> on
> > the gulf coast. Relatively speaking I don't really have any problems.
> >
> >
>
>Taking your advice here. This is pretty simple, straightforward stuff. I get
wayyyyyy too involved in tweaking the purity right out of a good take when
my head is in *detail-land*.
I've got a killer mix happening right now. I set up a second reference
monitoring system in the CR last weekend (an old Sony system I bought at
Montgomery Wards back in '95) It's *everyman's halfway decent sounding cheap
home stereo system. the mix is translating equally well to this and to my
NHT A-20/B-20's so I'm in the slot
Time for a soak in the springs/lithium salt infusion ;o)....tomorrow is
going to be brutal as far as work goes. Running your own business(es) is a
bitch, especially when you've been out of town for a week and are playing
catchup.
;o)
"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:43152233$1@linux...
>
> If you feel the need to work, nontheless... just pull up the
> mix, listen without thinking for awhile, make some minor
> adjustments based on what you heard, then go to bed.
>
> Neil
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Man.....I've had a real left brainer today. Intense stuff involving lots
> of
> >detail work using all of my analytical/logical/rational synapses. I'm so
> >mentally spent that I almost feel hung over.
> >
> >Now I'm home, I've taken a bit of a break and I've got a couple of songs
> to
> >mix tonight and I'm just totally flatlined as far as switching gears into
> a
> >more holistic frame of reference. This has to be the dominant head space
> for
> >me when I mix.....looking at the sum of the parts and feeling/listening
> my
> >way through the process, otherwise I'm not getting the big picture and my
> >mixes just don't come together.
> >
> >Maybe trip across the street to the hot springs????....trouble is, I'm
> >already tired and I get so relaxed over there that I'll probably just go
> to
> >sleep when I get home.
> >
> >Bitch, bitch, bitch......I just watched the news and saw the devastation
> on
> >the gulf coast. Relatively speaking I don't really have any problems.
> >
> >
>Wow.
You bastard.
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:431524a8@linux...
> directly across the street.
>
> http://www.trimblehotsprings.com/
>
>
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:43151aa9$1@linux...
> > Man..........
> >
> > You have a hot springs across the street?
> >
> > We had illicit access to an abandoned hot springs-centered resort, up
near
> > Asheville, NC, in the Black Mountains. We'd sneak in and bathe in the
> > silt-filled old marbel-lined pools, the water hot as hell itself in the
> > middle of a snow-bound NC winter, then go home and drink wine beside the
> > dogs by the wood stove.
> >
> > I don't feel that good very often. There are few things that I el that
> good:
> > a week at the beach, maybe; Cuervo Gold and fine Colombian, that sort of
> > thing, maybe all of the above....
> >
> > I would be in those hot, mineral-laden waters every damn day.
> >
> > I can't make music without that feeling. However I get it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:43151778$1@linux...
> > > Man.....I've had a real left brainer today. Intense stuff involving
lots
> > of
> > > detail work using all of my analytical/logical/rational synapses. I'm
so
> > > mentally spent that I almost feel hung over.
> > >
> > > Now I'm home, I've taken a bit of a break and I've got a couple of
> songs
> > to
> > > mix tonight and I'm just totally flatlined as far as switching gears
> into
> > a
> > > more holistic frame of reference. This has to be the dominant head
space
> > for
> > > me when I mix.....looking at the sum of the parts and
feeling/listening
> my
> > > way through the process, otherwise I'm not getting the big picture and
> my
> > > mixes just don't come together.
> > >
> > > Maybe trip across the street to the hot springs????....trouble is,
I'm
> > > already tired and I get so relaxed over there that I'll probably just
go
> > to
> > > sleep when I get home.
> > >
> > > Bitch, bitch, bitch......I just watched the news and saw the
devastation
> > on
> > > the gulf coast. Relatively speaking I don't really have any problems.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>;o)
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:43152f21@linux...
> Wow.
>
> You bastard.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:431524a8@linux...
> > directly across the street.
> >
> > http://www.trimblehotsprings.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:43151aa9$1@linux...
> > > Man..........
> > >
> > > You have a hot springs across the street?
> > >
> > > We had illicit access to an abandoned hot springs-centered resort, up
> near
> > > Asheville, NC, in the Black Mountains. We'd sneak in and bathe in the
> > > silt-filled old marbel-lined pools, the water hot as hell itself in
the
> > > middle of a snow-bound NC winter, then go home and drink wine beside
the
> > > dogs by the wood stove.
> > >
> > > I don't feel that good very often. There are few things that I el that
> > good:
> > > a week at the beach, maybe; Cuervo Gold and fine Colombian, that sort
of
> > > thing, maybe all of the above....
> > >
> > > I would be in those hot, mineral-laden waters every damn day.
> > >
> > > I can't make music without that feeling. However I get it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > news:43151778$1@linux...
> > > > Man.....I've had a real left brainer today. Intense stuff involving
> lots
> > > of
> > > > detail work using all of my analytical/logical/rational synapses.
I'm
> so
> > > > mentally spent that I almost feel hung over.
> > > >
> > > > Now I'm home, I've taken a bit of a break and I've got a couple of
> > songs
> > > to
> > > > mix tonight and I'm just totally flatlined as far as switching gears
> > into
> > > a
> > > > more holistic frame of reference. This has to be the dominant head
> space
> > > for
> > > > me when I mix.....looking at the sum of the parts and
> feeling/listening
> > my
> > > > way through the process, otherwise I'm not getting the big picture
and
> > my
> > > > mixes just don't come together.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe trip across the street to the hot springs????....trouble is,
> I'm
> > > > already tired and I get so relaxed over there that I'll probably
just
> go
> > > to
> > > > sleep when I get home.
> > > >
> > > > Bitch, bitch, bitch......I just watched the news and saw the
> devastation
> > > on
> > > > the gulf coast. Relatively speaking I don't really have any
problems.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>Kim,
Are you saying you can see the different operating partitions with letters
on the active partition you're working with?
If so, you need to do some extra "operations" if you're using the installed
harddisk(s) for different operating systems on different partitions. First
of all you need to have one of the operating partitions active(as you
allready have) and hide all the other operating systems with a kind of
program like "Partition Magic" or "Partition Commander". To then start the
different partitions, you need a boot program like "Boot Magic" or "Boot
Commander". If the things are done correct, you will then only see the
active partition as the C:drive and all the other partitions with operating
systems will be hided without any letter at all like a N:drive.
(If you're using "Ghost" to copy the active partition to other partitions,
if I remember correctly, the new partitions will show up with letters, but
will not be active but can give conflicts.)
For me it seems that Firefox, as standard, allways will use a C:drive as the
choice to download at. But I think you can manually set it to download where
you wish and remember the last choice, as Explorer. Maybe you can set this
up from one of the menues?
Regards
Erling
PS: Been in Denmark and Germany for over a month so I havn't been here at
all for that period.
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:4314ecc3$1@linux...
>
>
> Anybody got experience with this? I've ghosted C drive (containing a
> relatively
> clean XP install) on to a bunch of other partitions which will serve
> different
> purposes and have different applications loaded.
>
> I haven't explored the whole deal yet, but I have a couple of errors
> coming
> up on N drive, which is one of the XP installs, and I'm wondering whether
> N drive has its wires crossed because it thinks it should be C drive.
>
> The reason I'm thinking this is that Firefox on N drive was still set to
> download all files to the desktop. I downloaded something and found it
> wasn't
> on the desktop. Upon exploration I found it had been loaded to the desktop
> on C drive, rather than N drive. Hence I'm thinking that if Firefox is
> still
> pointing at the C Drive desktop, how many other things are still pointing
> at C drive?
>
> Is this usually an issue? What's the deal here? Should I be able to Ghost
> a partition to a different partition and boot to it, or is Ghost mostly
> only
> useful for saving a given setup and restoring it on to the same partition?
>
> Seems there would be a lot which Ghost would have to change in an OS to
> move
> it's operational drive letter. The whole registry for starters...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.Why are you installing XP multiple times. Just put your ghost image
file and ghost on the other drives and just xp on C:
Kim wrote:
> Anybody got experience with this? I've ghosted C drive (containing a relatively
> clean XP install) on to a bunch of other partitions which will serve different
> purposes and have different applications loaded.
>
> I haven't explored the whole deal yet, but I have a couple of errors coming
> up on N drive, which is one of the XP installs, and I'm wondering whether
> N drive has its wires crossed because it thinks it should be C drive.
>
> The reason I'm thinking this is that Firefox on N drive was still set to
> download all files to the desktop. I downloaded something and found it wasn't
> on the desktop. Upon exploration I found it had been loaded to the desktop
> on C drive, rather than N drive. Hence I'm thinking that if Firefox is still
> pointing at the C Drive desktop, how many other things are still pointing
> at C drive?
>
> Is this usually an issue? What's the deal here? Should I be able to Ghost
> a partition to a different partition and boot to it, or is Ghost mostly only
> useful for saving a given setup and restoring it on to the same partition?
>
> Seems there would be a lot which Ghost would have to change in an OS to move
> it's operational drive letter. The whole registry for starters...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.Guys, sorry for the delayed response...been on the road. Thanks so very much
for your suggestions.
TyroneOn Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:58:15 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>....It's *everyman's halfway decent sounding cheap
>home stereo system.
Does he know you have it? And what the hell is he listening to now?
pab
"Enjoy every sandwich." -- Warren Zevon
"Here at Microsoft, Quality is job, oh, I dunno, maybe 7 or 8?"I've tried to keep it a secret, but *everyman* probably knows because he is
always underestimated.
;O)
"Paul Braun" <cygnus_diespamdie@ctgonline.org> wrote in message
news:4315b13f.1265820@218.214.23.222...
> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:58:15 -0600, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >....It's *everyman's halfway decent sounding cheap
> >home stereo system.
>
> Does he know you have it? And what the hell is he listening to now?
>
> pab
>
> "Enjoy every sandwich." -- Warren Zevon
>
> "Here at Microsoft, Quality is job, oh, I dunno, maybe 7 or 8?" http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/29/arts/design/29mons.html?ex =1125633600&en=c70d64cbb4462c06&ei=5070DJ -- This part about "out of town for a week" reminds me -- how's the
wife?
Chas.
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:58:15 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Taking your advice here. This is pretty simple, straightforward stuff. I get
>wayyyyyy too involved in tweaking the purity right out of a good take when
>my head is in *detail-land*.
>
>I've got a killer mix happening right now. I set up a second reference
>monitoring system in the CR last weekend (an old Sony system I bought at
>Montgomery Wards back in '95) It's *everyman's halfway decent sounding cheap
>home stereo system. the mix is translating equally well to this and to my
>NHT A-20/B-20's so I'm in the slot
>
>Time for a soak in the springs/lithium salt infusion ;o)....tomorrow is
>going to be brutal as far as work goes. Running your own business(es) is a
>bitch, especially when you've been out of town for a week and are playing
>catchup.
>
>;o)
>
>"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:43152233$1@linux...
>>
>> If you feel the need to work, nontheless... just pull up the
>> mix, listen without thinking for awhile, make some minor
>> adjustments based on what you heard, then go to bed.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >Man.....I've had a real left brainer today. Intense stuff involving lots
>> of
>> >detail work using all of my analytical/logical/rational synapses. I'm so
>> >mentally spent that I almost feel hung over.
>> >
>> >Now I'm home, I've taken a bit of a break and I've got a couple of songs
>> to
>> >mix tonight and I'm just totally flatlined as far as switching gears into
>> a
>> >more holistic frame of reference. This has to be the dominant head space
>> for
>> >me when I mix.....looking at the sum of the parts and feeling/listening
>> my
>> >way through the process, otherwise I'm not getting the big picture and my
>> >mixes just don't come together.
>> >
>> >Maybe trip across the street to the hot springs????....trouble is, I'm
>> >already tired and I get so relaxed over there that I'll probably just go
>> to
>> >sleep when I get home.
>> >
>> >Bitch, bitch, bitch......I just watched the news and saw the devastation
>> on
>> >the gulf coast. Relatively speaking I don't really have any problems.
>> >
>> >
>>
>"because he is always underestimated." don't know about that cuz when
sleeping with fists informs me that i'm like "everyman"...well you
know...
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:50:24 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I've tried to keep it a secret, but *everyman* probably knows because he is
>always underestimated.
>
>;O)
>
>"Paul Braun" <cygnus_diespamdie@ctgonline.org> wrote in message
>news:4315b13f.1265820@218.214.23.222...
>> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:58:15 -0600, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >....It's *everyman's halfway decent sounding cheap
>> >home stereo system.
>>
>> Does he know you have it? And what the hell is he listening to now?
>>
>> pab
>>
>> "Enjoy every sandwich." -- Warren Zevon
>>
>> "Here at Microsoft, Quality is job, oh, I dunno, maybe 7 or 8?"
>sure has adams package beat...
On 1 Sep 2005 01:07:24 +1000, "PN" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/29/arts/design/29mons.html?ex =1125633600&en=c70d64cbb4462c06&ei=5070Ha! Yes, quite a set of nads! ;>)
Tony
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:frubh11rajd0mlajs317pr956kuh0hth7i@4ax.com...
> sure has adams package beat...
>
> On 1 Sep 2005 01:07:24 +1000, "PN" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/29/arts/design/29mons.html?ex =1125633600&en=c70d64cbb4462c06&ei=5070
>I'm tinking about getting into a SBC/Magna PCI expansion chasis(32 bit of
course)..
I currently have 4 EDS cards, 1 RME digi 96pst. Iwant to add (2)UAD cards..
My DAW PC has 5 slots, in-which 4 would be open with the Magna Chasis..
Questions:
1-Whats the best slot for the Magana PCI card (in DAW PC)
2-What order of should load the magna PCI slots in ( Paris EDS, UAD)..OR.
Do I need to put the UAD's in the DAW PC..??
Thanks in advance as always..:)
LaMontI know this has been asked before but I never paid attention as I never
thought I would be in that situation but..........
I now have about 60 different clients lined up to come in and track about
3-5 songs each. May end up mixing some but others will go elsewhere.
Anyway, I want to be able to give these people some type of media - Im
thinking USB external drives at this point - to take with them and allow
them to walk into any studio, anywhere in the country and be able to mix
their stuff. Im currently just dealing with WAV files and everything has
been stored on either my harddrives, backup tapes or DVDs.
So far Ive only burned 2 track CDs and that was it. Now I have to be
compatible with Im assuming Pro Tools?
What recommendations do you guys have for this situation? What format should
it be in and will Paris do that?
Will I have to purchase Protools to be able to do this?
Thanks for any suggestions!
MikeJohn <no@no.com> wrote:
>Why are you installing XP multiple times. Just put your ghost image
>file and ghost on the other drives and just xp on C:
Yes I am. That's what I'm saying. Obviously I'm not clear.
I've done a single install of XP and ghosted it onto 5 other partitions,
but the problem is that the other partitions aren't called C:\, but the Ghosted
image has a whole bunch of references to files on C:\. All the registry entries,
all the program shortcuts, and who knows what else, all points to C:\, so
if I boot the D:\ partition for example, it's using half the files off the
C: partition.
I think Erling has the right answer though...
Cheers,
Kim.Mike,
the external drive (usb/fw) is good solution. As well as, recording everything
in wav file format. Or Record 24 bit in Paris, then batch process in wavelab
into 24 bit wave files
"Mike" <spamthis@alltel.net> wrote:
>I know this has been asked before but I never paid attention as I never
>thought I would be in that situation but..........
>
>I now have about 60 different clients lined up to come in and track about
>3-5 songs each. May end up mixing some but others will go elsewhere.
>Anyway, I want to be able to give these people some type of media - Im
>thinking USB external drives at this point - to take with them and allow
>them to walk into any studio, anywhere in the country and be able to mix
>their stuff. Im currently just dealing with WAV files and everything has
>been stored on either my harddrives, backup tapes or DVDs.
>
>So far Ive only burned 2 track CDs and that was it. Now I have to be
>compatible with Im assuming Pro Tools?
>
>What recommendations do you guys have for this situation? What format should
>it be in and will Paris do that?
>Will I have to purchase Protools to be able to do this?
>
>Thanks for any suggestions!
>Mike
>
>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote:
>Kim,
>Are you saying you can see the different operating partitions with letters
>on the active partition you're working with?
Yes. I think you were right. I've managed to find 3 different freeware boot
managers all of which cause the currently booted partition to be called C
drive, hence removing the issue. I've tested the partitions and the issues
I was having go away when I use one of these.
I'm still deciding which to use, and I've had a couple of little issues with
the boot managers, but there are options there. I've tried two of the three.
The second one (which is currently loaded) is good, and allows single button
booting, and password settings and the like, but on one occassion it didn't
boot and I had to restart, so it's on trial to see if it glitches again.
But I'm on the right track. :o)
Cheers,
Kim.Anybody got a good one up their sleeve?
I'm currently testing a couple. Thought maybe someone had the secret...
Cheers,
Kim.http://www.hobbytron.com/LowPowerFMTransmitters.html
"RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:4314bb79@linux...
> That's very cool. I wonder how easy it is to override the FCC imposed
> distance limitations, When we were kids we had a pirate FM station that
> broadcast for almost a mile with a Radio Shack kit.
>
> It really has a different purpose than replacing a burned CD. I always
> thought it would be cool if someone made a plug-in that emulated the
> brickwall limiter and pre-emphasis EQ of commercial radio stations, with
> presets for different types of music. Then you could really hear how your
> mixes will play on the radio.
>
> RZ
>
> "Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:43148120@linux...
>> I was thinking of trying an FM transmitter to monitor out in my car and
>> other home stereo devices.
>> Anyone doing this?
>> I would think it would kick the shit out of burning test CD after CD.
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/radi/canux300.htm
>>
>>
>
>yiiiikes
Bullshit Petroleum...........errrrrrr.....I mean *Beyond* Petroleum.
;o(
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
news:43165f67@linux...
> yiiiikes
>
>
>
>I have been ranting for a couple of years now that the biggest threat to
this country doesn't lie in terrorist attacks to large metropolitan
cente4rs, but to the energy infrastructure. What we're seeing right now is
nothing compared to what would happen if someone popped a nuke in the
Houston ship channel and in the refinery chain beltween Baton Rouge and New
Orleans.
It's been over 20 years since we built any new
refineries....why?????.....environmental lobbies here have made it cheaper
to do it overseas where the oil we buy is being produced because we can't
drill for that here either.
In the meantime, there has been no real energy policy that encouraged
investment by the private sector.
We're getting ready to pay the going price in a global marketplace. Welcome
to European gas prices. Here they come. Fill your tank tonight. It's going
up tomorrow.
This, of course, is all hindsight. What we're really paying the price for is
a failure of the private sector and the government to be able to coordinate
an energy policy that is truly effective. The government couldn't do it
alone. Bureaucracies are neither effective, efficient or creative. Private
enterprise goes where the money is when the money is a sure bet.
All bets are off now. Time to wake up. I'd rather invest the money I'm
paying in taxes to solar and hydrogen technology research. Think I'll be
able to write it off???? F*** no!
;O(
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
news:43165f67@linux...
> yiiiikes
>
>
>
>Brandon,
I would love to be able to listen to my mixes, broadcast from my DAW to the
radio in my car. What a great idea! I was checking these out. the most
affordable one has a range of 30' *line of sight*. Walls and metal can
reduce this substantially according to the specs. However, the FM38-T looks
like a pretty substantial beast. There is no info on what kind of input it
uses, but I'm guessing RCA. Do you happen to know?
Think of all the CD burns you could save. Between the media savings and the
time it takes to burn CD's again and again, at $200.00, the FM30-WT would
pay for itself PDQ if it's got a decent range. I would need about 50' and
for it to be able to transmit through a metal roof as my studio is upstairs,
the roof slopes between the back wall and my driveway and/or garage and the
distance to the car parked in the driveway is going to be at least 30' and
probably a bit further.
Put a little dead air up front to give you time to get to the car and set
the song to loop and you could get a real good idea of where you are with a
mix as far as vehicular playback goes (and probably ruin some assholes day
who is driving down your street with thunderbuckets cranked full out if you
knew the band this station was using and you wanted to *substitute* his
Gangsta' mix for a good dose of Karen Carpenter or the Osmonds).
Of course, this is illegal so I would never dream of doing it.
;oP
Deej
"Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4316479d@linux...
> http://www.hobbytron.com/LowPowerFMTransmitters.html
>
>
>
>
>
> "RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:4314bb79@linux...
> > That's very cool. I wonder how easy it is to override the FCC imposed
> > distance limitations, When we were kids we had a pirate FM station
that
> > broadcast for almost a mile with a Radio Shack kit.
> >
> > It really has a different purpose than replacing a burned CD. I always
> > thought it would be cool if someone made a plug-in that emulated the
> > brickwall limiter and pre-emphasis EQ of commercial radio stations, with
> > presets for different types of music. Then you could really hear how
your
> > mixes will play on the radio.
> >
> > RZ
> >
> > "Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:43148120@linux...
> >> I was thinking of trying an FM transmitter to monitor out in my car and
> >> other home stereo devices.
> >> Anyone doing this?
> >> I would think it would kick the shit out of burning test CD after CD.
> >> Any suggestions?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/radi/canux300.htm
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>It works for some folk, not for others. Drunk-ness, that is....
I loved that town when I was there....but that's another story.
I think that sweet, beautiful place could have been slightly better
prepared. Sometimes being the most laid-back place in the country can wind
up bitin' you in the ass...
Please, I do not mean to offend. I am a poor person with no pretentions. I
just notice how some folk are a little more pro-active than others, that's
all....
It breaks my heart to see all that suffering. I just go numb. And angry.
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4313d0ab$1@linux...
> I used to live in Hammond Louisiana and have partaken of both snake and
> gator, garnished with shrimp with a remoulade made from Heinz ketchup, a
> small dollop of mayonaise and a larger dollop of freshly ground
horseradish
> and black pepper, subsequently washed down with homemade strawberry wine.
> Sometimes I miss living in Louisiana. It was a fun place to live and to
eat,
> though I don't think I drew a sober breath the entire time I was living
> there. Didn't seem to matter too much. No one else there was sober either.
>
> ;o)
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:4313c79b$1@linux...
> > You can fry and eat 'em both. Many folks have, many will again...
> >
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >
> > >
> > > They're gonna be wrangling gators and snakes in the French Quarter
> > tomorrow.
> >
> >
> >
>
>Exactly.
We have been borrowing (and betting) against our futures for a long time.
At some point that note will come due.
It may be today, it may be tomorrow. But it will come due.
I guess it's stupid to hope that it ain't due to come due quite yet?
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:431665ea$1@linux...
> I have been ranting for a couple of years now that the biggest threat to
> this country doesn't lie in terrorist attacks to large metropolitan
> cente4rs, but to the energy infrastructure. What we're seeing right now is
> nothing compared to what would happen if someone popped a nuke in the
> Houston ship channel and in the refinery chain beltween Baton Rouge and
New
> Orleans.
>
> It's been over 20 years since we built any new
> refineries....why?????.....environmental lobbies here have made it cheaper
> to do it overseas where the oil we buy is being produced because we can't
> drill for that here either.
>
> In the meantime, there has been no real energy policy that encouraged
> investment by the private sector.
>
> We're getting ready to pay the going price in a global marketplace.
Welcome
> to European gas prices. Here they come. Fill your tank tonight. It's going
> up tomorrow.
>
> This, of course, is all hindsight. What we're really paying the price for
is
> a failure of the private sector and the government to be able to
coordinate
> an energy policy that is truly effective. The government couldn't do it
> alone. Bureaucracies are neither effective, efficient or creative. Private
> enterprise goes where the money is when the money is a sure bet.
>
> All bets are off now. Time to wake up. I'd rather invest the money I'm
> paying in taxes to solar and hydrogen technology research. Think I'll be
> able to write it off???? F*** no!
>
> ;O(
>
>
> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
> news:43165f67@linux...
> > yiiiikes
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>Ditto here too. My post about studio rates was my humorous way of glossing
over my anger with the oil industry. You guys are right, we are on borrowed
time with oil as a fuel source (industry aside), but even so, I found it
quite interesting that other similarly affected industries had a very
different response: a seafood supplier (some of our seafood in the US only
comes from the Gulf) said it might affect prices later down the road - key
words "might", "later". Another supplier said he would absorb the cost
increase if there was one, rather than pass it along to consumers.
The oil industry however raised prices *before* Katrina hit. That's price
gouging and greed, pure and simple - not speculation. Maybe I've
oversimplified the situation, and I know Katrina had a big impact on the
industry, but worldwide, oil companies have the rest of the world over a
barrel, figuratively and literally.
To add to justcron's link, some neighboring hotels were charging $199/night
for $40 rooms. This is beyond sad. It's despicable and barbaric.
Jimmy - you aren't the only one hoping it won't come due just yet. To be
honest, I really wonder how we'll survive if we hit a severe energy crisis.
It would likely cause complete economic collapse. I pray our fears are
unfounded...but maybe that's the wrong prayer. Today we took our 4 yr old
son to his first soccer practice - first team sport for him. Beautiful day
in Colorado...but I have to wonder what kind of future he will have.
Analyst say tonight gas could exceed $4/gallon here. No way am I buying
another gas car. There was a guy in Manitou Springs giving holding a
training night on making alternative diesel fuel from common, abundant
materials (garbage?). It involved building a pretty simple sounding
converter from basic materials, and he claimed it worked very well and
burned clean. I'm cool with dropping banana peels into a hydrogenated
combobulator system.
Dedric
On 8/31/05 8:59 PM, in article 43166eb0@linux, "uptown jimmy"
<johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Exactly.
>
> We have been borrowing (and betting) against our futures for a long time.
>
> At some point that note will come due.
>
> It may be today, it may be tomorrow. But it will come due.
>
> I guess it's stupid to hope that it ain't due to come due quite yet?
>
> Jimmy
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:431665ea$1@linux...
>> I have been ranting for a couple of years now that the biggest threat to
>> this country doesn't lie in terrorist attacks to large metropolitan
>> cente4rs, but to the energy infrastructure. What we're seeing right now is
>> nothing compared to what would happen if someone popped a nuke in the
>> Houston ship channel and in the refinery chain beltween Baton Rouge and
> New
>> Orleans.
>>
>> It's been over 20 years since we built any new
>> refineries....why?????.....environmental lobbies here have made it cheaper
>> to do it overseas where the oil we buy is being produced because we can't
>> drill for that here either.
>>
>> In the meantime, there has been no real energy policy that encouraged
>> investment by the private sector.
>>
>> We're getting ready to pay the going price in a global marketplace.
> Welcome
>> to European gas prices. Here they come. Fill your tank tonight. It's going
>> up tomorrow.
>>
>> This, of course, is all hindsight. What we're really paying the price for
> is
>> a failure of the private sector and the government to be able to
> coordinate
>> an energy policy that is truly effective. The government couldn't do it
>> alone. Bureaucracies are neither effective, efficient or creative. Private
>> enterprise goes where the money is when the money is a sure bet.
>>
>> All bets are off now. Time to wake up. I'd rather invest the money I'm
>> paying in taxes to solar and hydrogen technology research. Think I'll be
>> able to write it off???? F*** no!
>>
>> ;O(
>>
>>
>> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
>> news:43165f67@linux...
>>> yiiiikes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>So as long as I always have the tracks in .WAV format, I should be ok?
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4316294c$1@linux...
>
> Mike,
> the external drive (usb/fw) is good solution. As well as, recording
> everything
> in wav file format. Or Record 24 bit in Paris, then batch process in
> wavelab
> into 24 bit wave files
>
> "Mike" <spamthis@alltel.net> wrote:
>>I know this has been asked before but I never paid attention as I never
>
>>thought I would be in that situation but..........
>>
>>I now have about 60 different clients lined up to come in and track about
>
>>3-5 songs each. May end up mixing some but others will go elsewhere.
>>Anyway, I want to be able to give these people some type of media - Im
>>thinking USB external drives at this point - to take with them and allow
>
>>them to walk into any studio, anywhere in the country and be able to mix
>
>>their stuff. Im currently just dealing with WAV files and everything has
>
>>been stored on either my harddrives, backup tapes or DVDs.
>>
>>So far Ive only burned 2 track CDs and that was it. Now I have to be
>>compatible with Im assuming Pro Tools?
>>
>>What recommendations do you guys have for this situation? What format
>>should
>
>>it be in and will Paris do that?
>>Will I have to purchase Protools to be able to do this?
>>
>>Thanks for any suggestions!
>>Mike
>>
>>
>Make sure all tracks have the same start point. If there are punches or
comps, render them as single tracks. If there are chorus vocals in big
groups that only come in at points, you can possibly get by if they start
precisely on a bar line if the song is on a tight click. Otherwise place an
empty piece of track at the start of the song and render the track from
there.
RZ
"Mike" <spamthis@alltel.net> wrote in message news:43168a95@linux...
> So as long as I always have the tracks in .WAV format, I should be ok?
>
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4316294c$1@linux...
> >
> > Mike,
> > the external drive (usb/fw) is good solution. As well as, recording
> > everything
> > in wav file format. Or Record 24 bit in Paris, then batch process in
> > wavelab
> > into 24 bit wave files
> >
> > "Mike" <spamthis@alltel.net> wrote:
> >>I know this has been asked before but I never paid attention as I never
> >
> >>thought I would be in that situation but..........
> >>
> >>I now have about 60 different clients lined up to come in and track
about
> >
> >>3-5 songs each. May end up mixing some but others will go elsewhere.
> >>Anyway, I want to be able to give these people some type of media - Im
> >>thinking USB external drives at this point - to take with them and allow
> >
> >>them to walk into any studio, anywhere in the country and be able to mix
> >
> >>their stuff. Im currently just dealing with WAV files and everything has
> >
> >>been stored on either my harddrives, backup tapes or DVDs.
> >>
> >>So far Ive only burned 2 track CDs and that was it. Now I have to be
> >>compatible with Im assuming Pro Tools?
> >>
> >>What recommendations do you guys have for this situation? What format
> >>should
> >
> >>it be in and will Paris do that?
> >>Will I have to purchase Protools to be able to do this?
> >>
> >>Thanks for any suggestions!
> >>Mike
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>One more point: I like to burn DVDs. They are more universally readable
between Macs and PCs. Most external drives are not really designed to be
portable.
"Mike" <spamthis@alltel.net> wrote in message news:43168a95@linux...
> So as long as I always have the tracks in .WAV format, I should be ok?
>
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4316294c$1@linux...
> >
> > Mike,
> > the external drive (usb/fw) is good solution. As well as, recording
> > everything
> > in wav file format. Or Record 24 bit in Paris, then batch process in
> > wavelab
> > into 24 bit wave files
> >
> > "Mike" <spamthis@alltel.net> wrote:
> >>I know this has been asked before but I never paid attention as I never
> >
> >>thought I would be in that situation but..........
> >>
> >>I now have about 60 different clients lined up to come in and track
about
> >
> >>3-5 songs each. May end up mixing some but others will go elsewhere.
> >>Anyway, I want to be able to give these people some type of media - Im
> >>thinking USB external drives at this point - to take with them and allow
> >
> >>them to walk into any studio, anywhere in the country and be able to mix
> >
> >>their stuff. Im currently just dealing with WAV files and everything has
> >
> >>been stored on either my harddrives, backup tapes or DVDs.
> >>
> >>So far Ive only burned 2 track CDs and that was it. Now I have to be
> >>compatible with Im assuming Pro Tools?
> >>
> >>What recommendations do you guys have for this situation? What format
> >>should
> >
> >>it be in and will Paris do that?
> >>Will I have to purchase Protools to be able to do this?
> >>
> >>Thanks for any suggestions!
> >>Mike
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>And it's small consolation to hear that when oil reaches $80.00 per barrel,
it will be at the same relative price it was in 1980 if inflation is taken
into account.
Alternative fuel sources are more expensive and less efficient right now
than oil and natural gas....it's going to be a break even situation PDQ. In
the meantime, we're going to have to do something drastic.....either
drastically change our lifestyles/energy consumption or drastically change
our position toward exploration/use of domestic fossil fuels. The former
needs to start happening......so does the latter, at least for the short
term while we adapt to the former, perfect alternative energy technologies,
build nuclear plants and plan for the end of petrochemical lifestyle as the
supplies dwindle. Thing is, about 90% of manufactured goods are petroleum
based. I guess I'll have to wire my studio with hemp twine and coconut
shells.
;o(
Deej
"DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
news:BF3BDC79.3FB3%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
> Ditto here too. My post about studio rates was my humorous way of
glossing
> over my anger with the oil industry. You guys are right, we are on
borrowed
> time with oil as a fuel source (industry aside), but even so, I found it
> quite interesting that other similarly affected industries had a very
> different response: a seafood supplier (some of our seafood in the US
only
> comes from the Gulf) said it might affect prices later down the road - key
> words "might", "later". Another supplier said he would absorb the cost
> increase if there was one, rather than pass it along to consumers.
>
> The oil industry however raised prices *before* Katrina hit. That's price
> gouging and greed, pure and simple - not speculation. Maybe I've
> oversimplified the situation, and I know Katrina had a big impact on the
> industry, but worldwide, oil companies have the rest of the world over a
> barrel, figuratively and literally.
>
> To add to justcron's link, some neighboring hotels were charging
$199/night
> for $40 rooms. This is beyond sad. It's despicable and barbaric.
>
> Jimmy - you aren't the only one hoping it won't come due just yet. To be
> honest, I really wonder how we'll survive if we hit a severe energy
crisis.
> It would likely cause complete economic collapse. I pray our fears are
> unfounded...but maybe that's the wrong prayer. Today we took our 4 yr old
> son to his first soccer practice - first team sport for him. Beautiful
day
> in Colorado...but I have to wonder what kind of future he will have.
>
> Analyst say tonight gas could exceed $4/gallon here. No way am I buying
> another gas car. There was a guy in Manitou Springs giving holding a
> training night on making alternative diesel fuel from common, abundant
> materials (garbage?). It involved building a pretty simple sounding
> converter from basic materials, and he claimed it worked very well and
> burned clean. I'm cool with dropping banana peels into a hydrogenated
> combobulator system.
>
> Dedric
>
> On 8/31/05 8:59 PM, in article 43166eb0@linux, "uptown jimmy"
> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > Exactly.
> >
> > We have been borrowing (and betting) against our futures for a long
time.
> >
> > At some point that note will come due.
> >
> > It may be today, it may be tomorrow. But it will come due.
> >
> > I guess it's stupid to hope that it ain't due to come due quite yet?
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:431665ea$1@linux...
> >> I have been ranting for a couple of years now that the biggest threat
to
> >> this country doesn't lie in terrorist attacks to large metropolitan
> >> cente4rs, but to the energy infrastructure. What we're seeing right now
is
> >> nothing compared to what would happen if someone popped a nuke in the
> >> Houston ship channel and in the refinery chain beltween Baton Rouge and
> > New
> >> Orleans.
> >>
> >> It's been over 20 years since we built any new
> >> refineries....why?????.....environmental lobbies here have made it
cheaper
> >> to do it overseas where the oil we buy is being produced because we
can't
> >> drill for that here either.
> >>
> >> In the meantime, there has been no real energy policy that encouraged
> >> investment by the private sector.
> >>
> >> We're getting ready to pay the going price in a global marketplace.
> > Welcome
> >> to European gas prices. Here they come. Fill your tank tonight. It's
going
> >> up tomorrow.
> >>
> >> This, of course, is all hindsight. What we're really paying the price
for
> > is
> >> a failure of the private sector and the government to be able to
> > coordinate
> >> an energy policy that is truly effective. The government couldn't do it
> >> alone. Bureaucracies are neither effective, efficient or creative.
Private
> >> enterprise goes where the money is when the money is a sure bet.
> >>
> >> All bets are off now. Time to wake up. I'd rather invest the money I'm
> >> paying in taxes to solar and hydrogen technology research. Think I'll
be
> >> able to write it off???? F*** no!
> >>
> >> ;O(
> >>
> >>
> >> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
> >> news:43165f67@linux...
> >>> yiiiikes
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>That's what I'm not sure I understand (having not seen the relative
figures). I've heard that said about inflation, but it doesn't seem to
coincide with other prices and wages. Oil jumped from about $14/barrel to
$37 or so due to the Iran/Iraq war from 1978 to 1980. That was a 160%
increase for that time, and the equivalent of $86/barrel today. However,
that was an event spike, not a normal inflationary increase, and it spurred
a push in the 80's for more energy conservation (i.e. consumption went down,
relative to growth by something like 20% didn't it?). Inflation hasn't
risen by that much since 1978. I look at salaries when I graduated college
relative to now (same profession, starting salary) and those also haven't
increase 3 fold - actually not even 2X. By 1986/87 oil prices had dropped
back well below 1980 prices (close to $14-$20/barrel). In looking at the
general 20 year price trend, there isn't a 4X increase in any market I know
of. Wasn't a gallon of mild about $1.00 around 1980? It's $2.79 now -
279%. We are looking at an over 200% increase in oil prices in a year, and
4X since 1986 (7X since 1998, but that low wasn't a norm). With gas now
predicted to top $4/gallon, that's well over 200% in a year at the pump too.
In 2004, Principal Global Investors' economic report cited the rise to
$44/barrel as a disruption (comparing the 1973 to 1974 rise of 269% as a
"shock"). They did however propose that the resulting economic recessions
of 1974 and 1980-81 were a result of spiking interest rates, not the oil
price spikes. I could see the same happening now. However, it seems to me
that interest rates are set as a reverse reaction rather than stimulus
proaction during economic burdening events (oil price rises, etc). While
investing takes a hit during low interest rates, housing booms. When
interest rates soar, housing crashes, as well as some businesses. Loans are
more of a burden on the economy than investing is a boon, at least in my
unqualified opinion. That may be a bad indicator of what the economic basis
is, but it seems more of our reality than not.
We seem to be on an exponential increase with oil now spurred by events
rather than inflation. Such a spike is similar to '74 and '80. I just hope
the results aren't worse.
Regarding alternative energy - you are quite right (and I also know you are
more informed about the oil industry than I am) - we do need to bite the
bullet and start moving to other sources. I know there are hydrogen fuel
cell cars on the near horizon - some manufacturers have started previewing
them in ads, but obviously fuel sources and distribution are a huge
limitation. I'm not psyched about extending the life of nuclear power (esp.
into cars). It isn't a long term solution. IMHO, the long term risks
(waste disposal more than meltdown risk) are just as high as depending on
oil.
At least maybe this rise will get us moving towards something else -
anything else. My mountain bike is due for a tune up anyway...
Regards,
Dedric
On 8/31/05 11:39 PM, in article 43169348$1@linux, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> And it's small consolation to hear that when oil reaches $80.00 per barrel,
> it will be at the same relative price it was in 1980 if inflation is taken
> into account.
>
> Alternative fuel sources are more expensive and less efficient right now
> than oil and natural gas....it's going to be a break even situation PDQ. In
> the meantime, we're going to have to do something drastic.....either
> drastically change our lifestyles/energy consumption or drastically change
> our position toward exploration/use of domestic fossil fuels. The former
> needs to start happening......so does the latter, at least for the short
> term while we adapt to the former, perfect alternative energy technologies,
> build nuclear plants and plan for the end of petrochemical lifestyle as the
> supplies dwindle. Thing is, about 90% of manufactured goods are petroleum
> based. I guess I'll have to wire my studio with hemp twine and coconut
> shells.
>
> ;o(
>
> Deej
>
> "DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
> news:BF3BDC79.3FB3%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>> Ditto here too. My post about studio rates was my humorous way of
> glossing
>> over my anger with the oil industry. You guys are right, we are on
> borrowed
>> time with oil as a fuel source (industry aside), but even so, I found it
>> quite interesting that other similarly affected industries had a very
>> different response: a seafood supplier (some of our seafood in the US
> only
>> comes from the Gulf) said it might affect prices later down the road - key
>> words "might", "later". Another supplier said he would absorb the cost
>> increase if there was one, rather than pass it along to consumers.
>>
>> The oil industry however raised prices *before* Katrina hit. That's price
>> gouging and greed, pure and simple - not speculation. Maybe I've
>> oversimplified the situation, and I know Katrina had a big impact on the
>> industry, but worldwide, oil companies have the rest of the world over a
>> barrel, figuratively and literally.
>>
>> To add to justcron's link, some neighboring hotels were charging
> $199/night
>> for $40 rooms. This is beyond sad. It's despicable and barbaric.
>>
>> Jimmy - you aren't the only one hoping it won't come due just yet. To be
>> honest, I really wonder how we'll survive if we hit a severe energy
> crisis.
>> It would likely cause complete economic collapse. I pray our fears are
>> unfounded...but maybe that's the wrong prayer. Today we took our 4 yr old
>> son to his first soccer practice - first team sport for him. Beautiful
> day
>> in Colorado...but I have to wonder what kind of future he will have.
>>
>> Analyst say tonight gas could exceed $4/gallon here. No way am I buying
>> another gas car. There was a guy in Manitou Springs giving holding a
>> training night on making alternative diesel fuel from common, abundant
>> materials (garbage?). It involved building a pretty simple sounding
>> converter from basic materials, and he claimed it worked very well and
>> burned clean. I'm cool with dropping banana peels into a hydrogenated
>> combobulator system.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 8/31/05 8:59 PM, in article 43166eb0@linux, "uptown jimmy"
>> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly.
>>>
>>> We have been borrowing (and betting) against our futures for a long
> time.
>>>
>>> At some point that note will come due.
>>>
>>> It may be today, it may be tomorrow. But it will come due.
>>>
>>> I guess it's stupid to hope that it ain't due to come due quite yet?
>>>
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>> news:431665ea$1@linux...
>>>> I have been ranting for a couple of years now that the biggest threat
> to
>>>> this country doesn't lie in terrorist attacks to large metropolitan
>>>> cente4rs, but to the energy infrastructure. What we're seeing right now
> is
>>>> nothing compared to what would happen if someone popped a nuke in the
>>>> Houston ship channel and in the refinery chain beltween Baton Rouge and
>>> New
>>>> Orleans.
>>>>
>>>> It's been over 20 years since we built any new
>>>> refineries....why?????.....environmental lobbies here have made it
> cheaper
>>>> to do it overseas where the oil we buy is being produced because we
> can't
>>>> drill for that here either.
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime, there has been no real energy policy that encouraged
>>>> investment by the private sector.
>>>>
>>>> We're getting ready to pay the going price in a global marketplace.
>>> Welcome
>>>> to European gas prices. Here they come. Fill your tank tonight. It's
> going
>>>> up tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> This, of course, is all hindsight. What we're really paying the price
> for
>>> is
>>>> a failure of the private sector and the government to be able to
>>> coordinate
>>>> an energy policy that is truly effective. The government couldn't do it
>>>> alone. Bureaucracies are neither effective, efficient or creative.
> Private
>>>> enterprise goes where the money is when the money is a sure bet.
>>>>
>>>> All bets are off now. Time to wake up. I'd rather invest the money I'm
>>>> paying in taxes to solar and hydrogen technology research. Think I'll
> be
>>>> able to write it off???? F*** no!
>>>>
>>>> ;O(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
>>>> news:43165f67@linux...
>>>>> yiiiikes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>My problem (well, one of the lesser ones anyway):
I used mild EDS compresion (in the Aux) to tame the loud
parts of a vocal track, and now it sounds like it’s sung thru a
toilet paper tube (a rather large one). Is this possibly an issue
due to mixing both compressed / uncompressed signals? If so, is
it somehow normal procedure to insert the compression into the
signal chain? If that’s possible, it seems like that would make
more sense rather than blending wet/dry signal in the aux.
I recorded live tracks (piano, voice, cello, flute) together
in one room, so since there’s bleed-through, I’m not sure if
doing that latency dance thing I’ve read about is an option.
I’m only pretending to be an engineer, so detailed, third-
grade level directions would be much appreciated.
TIA,
DaleDear Dale,
We were talking about comprssion in aux some posts before...
If you wanna use compression on a vocal track just put it as insert on eds
slots so you will have only wet compressed vocal output.
If you wanna mix uncompressed and compressed (mostly used for drums+bass)
please read my previous post.
"Compressed drumtracks along with uncompressed"
I hope this helps a bit...
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4316a20f$1@linux...
>
> My problem (well, one of the lesser ones anyway):
>
> I used mild EDS compresion (in the Aux) to tame the loud
> parts of a vocal track, and now it sounds like it’s sung thru a
> toilet paper tube (a rather large one). Is this possibly an issue
> due to mixing both compressed / uncompressed signals? If so, is
> it somehow normal procedure to insert the compression into the
> signal chain? If that’s possible, it seems like that would make
> more sense rather than blending wet/dry signal in the aux.
>
> I recorded live tracks (piano, voice, cello, flute) together
> in one room, so since there’s bleed-through, I’m not sure if
> doing that latency dance thing I’ve read about is an option.
>
> I’m only pretending to be an engineer, so detailed, third-
> grade level directions would be much appreciated.
>
> TIA,
>
> Daleyou're phasing.
On 1 Sep 2005 16:39:11 +1000, "Dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>My problem (well, one of the lesser ones anyway):
>
> I used mild EDS compresion (in the Aux) to tame the loud
> parts of a vocal track, and now it sounds like it’s sung thru a
> toilet paper tube (a rather large one). Is this possibly an issue
> due to mixing both compressed / uncompressed signals? If so, is
> it somehow normal procedure to insert the compression into the
> signal chain? If that’s possible, it seems like that would make
> more sense rather than blending wet/dry signal in the aux.
>
> I recorded live tracks (piano, voice, cello, flute) together
> in one room, so since there’s bleed-through, I’m not sure if
> doing that latency dance thing I’ve read about is an option.
>
> I’m only pretending to be an engineer, so detailed, third-
>grade level directions would be much appreciated.
>
>TIA,
>
>DaleI don't get it. You have your xp install on C:. Then what I do is make
a ghost image to my D:. As I install more apps and tweak C: I make more
images on D:. The images are SINGLE files, a snapshot of C:. So I'll
have xpraw.img, xp1.img, xp2.img all representing different milestones
of my XP installs, so I can get back quickly to an install of xpraw with
just drivers, xp1 with paris and other stuff and xp2 with a boatload of
stuff. I"m not sure why you are doing it your way but that's how I do it.
John
Kim wrote:
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>>Why are you installing XP multiple times. Just put your ghost image
>>file and ghost on the other drives and just xp on C:
>
>
> Yes I am. That's what I'm saying. Obviously I'm not clear.
>
> I've done a single install of XP and ghosted it onto 5 other partitions,
> but the problem is that the other partitions aren't called C:\, but the Ghosted
> image has a whole bunch of references to files on C:\. All the registry entries,
> all the program shortcuts, and who knows what else, all points to C:\, so
> if I boot the D:\ partition for example, it's using half the files off the
> C: partition.
>
> I think Erling has the right answer though...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.in other words 'we're fucked'
"DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
news:BF3BFC1D.3FBA%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
> That's what I'm not sure I understand (having not seen the relative
> figures). I've heard that said about inflation, but it doesn't seem to
> coincide with other prices and wages. Oil jumped from about $14/barrel to
> $37 or so due to the Iran/Iraq war from 1978 to 1980. That was a 160%
> increase for that time, and the equivalent of $86/barrel today. However,
> that was an event spike, not a normal inflationary increase, and it
> spurred
> a push in the 80's for more energy conservation (i.e. consumption went
> down,
> relative to growth by something like 20% didn't it?). Inflation hasn't
> risen by that much since 1978. I look at salaries when I graduated
> college
> relative to now (same profession, starting salary) and those also haven't
> increase 3 fold - actually not even 2X. By 1986/87 oil prices had dropped
> back well below 1980 prices (close to $14-$20/barrel). In looking at the
> general 20 year price trend, there isn't a 4X increase in any market I
> know
> of. Wasn't a gallon of mild about $1.00 around 1980? It's $2.79 now -
> 279%. We are looking at an over 200% increase in oil prices in a year,
> and
> 4X since 1986 (7X since 1998, but that low wasn't a norm). With gas now
> predicted to top $4/gallon, that's well over 200% in a year at the pump
> too.
>
> In 2004, Principal Global Investors' economic report cited the rise to
> $44/barrel as a disruption (comparing the 1973 to 1974 rise of 269% as a
> "shock"). They did however propose that the resulting economic recessions
> of 1974 and 1980-81 were a result of spiking interest rates, not the oil
> price spikes. I could see the same happening now. However, it seems to
> me
> that interest rates are set as a reverse reaction rather than stimulus
> proaction during economic burdening events (oil price rises, etc). While
> investing takes a hit during low interest rates, housing booms. When
> interest rates soar, housing crashes, as well as some businesses. Loans
> are
> more of a burden on the economy than investing is a boon, at least in my
> unqualified opinion. That may be a bad indicator of what the economic
> basis
> is, but it seems more of our reality than not.
>
> We seem to be on an exponential increase with oil now spurred by events
> rather than inflation. Such a spike is similar to '74 and '80. I just
> hope
> the results aren't worse.
>
> Regarding alternative energy - you are quite right (and I also know you
> are
> more informed about the oil industry than I am) - we do need to bite the
> bullet and start moving to other sources. I know there are hydrogen fuel
> cell cars on the near horizon - some manufacturers have started previewing
> them in ads, but obviously fuel sources and distribution are a huge
> limitation. I'm not psyched about extending the life of nuclear power
> (esp.
> into cars). It isn't a long term solution. IMHO, the long term risks
> (waste disposal more than meltdown risk) are just as high as depending on
> oil.
>
> At least maybe this rise will get us moving towards something else -
> anything else. My mountain bike is due for a tune up anyway...
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
>
> On 8/31/05 11:39 PM, in article 43169348$1@linux, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>> And it's small consolation to hear that when oil reaches $80.00 per
>> barrel,
>> it will be at the same relative price it was in 1980 if inflation is
>> taken
>> into account.
>>
>> Alternative fuel sources are more expensive and less efficient right now
>> than oil and natural gas....it's going to be a break even situation PDQ.
>> In
>> the meantime, we're going to have to do something drastic.....either
>> drastically change our lifestyles/energy consumption or drastically
>> change
>> our position toward exploration/use of domestic fossil fuels. The former
>> needs to start happening......so does the latter, at least for the short
>> term while we adapt to the former, perfect alternative energy
>> technologies,
>> build nuclear plants and plan for the end of petrochemical lifestyle as
>> the
>> supplies dwindle. Thing is, about 90% of manufactured goods are petroleum
>> based. I guess I'll have to wire my studio with hemp twine and coconut
>> shells.
>>
>> ;o(
>>
>> Deej
>>
>> "DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
>> news:BF3BDC79.3FB3%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>>> Ditto here too. My post about studio rates was my humorous way of
>> glossing
>>> over my anger with the oil industry. You guys are right, we are on
>> borrowed
>>> time with oil as a fuel source (industry aside), but even so, I found it
>>> quite interesting that other similarly affected industries had a very
>>> different response: a seafood supplier (some of our seafood in the US
>> only
>>> comes from the Gulf) said it might affect prices later down the road -
>>> key
>>> words "might", "later". Another supplier said he would absorb the cost
>>> increase if there was one, rather than pass it along to consumers.
>>>
>>> The oil industry however raised prices *before* Katrina hit. That's
>>> price
>>> gouging and greed, pure and simple - not speculation. Maybe I've
>>> oversimplified the situation, and I know Katrina had a big impact on the
>>> industry, but worldwide, oil companies have the rest of the world over a
>>> barrel, figuratively and literally.
>>>
>>> To add to justcron's link, some neighboring hotels were charging
>> $199/night
>>> for $40 rooms. This is beyond sad. It's despicable and barbaric.
>>>
>>> Jimmy - you aren't the only one hoping it won't come due just yet. To
>>> be
>>> honest, I really wonder how we'll survive if we hit a severe energy
>> crisis.
>>> It would likely cause complete economic collapse. I pray our fears are
>>> unfounded...but maybe that's the wrong prayer. Today we took our 4 yr
>>> old
>>> son to his first soccer practice - first team sport for him. Beautiful
>> day
>>> in Colorado...but I have to wonder what kind of future he will have.
>>>
>>> Analyst say tonight gas could exceed $4/gallon here. No way am I buying
>>> another gas car. There was a guy in Manitou Springs giving holding a
>>> training night on making alternative diesel fuel from common, abundant
>>> materials (garbage?). It involved building a pretty simple sounding
>>> converter from basic materials, and he claimed it worked very well and
>>> burned clean. I'm cool with dropping banana peels into a hydrogenated
>>> combobulator system.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 8/31/05 8:59 PM, in article 43166eb0@linux, "uptown jimmy"
>>> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Exactly.
>>>>
>>>> We have been borrowing (and betting) against our futures for a long
>> time.
>>>>
>>>> At some point that note will come due.
>>>>
>>>> It may be today, it may be tomorrow. But it will come due.
>>>>
>>>> I guess it's stupid to hope that it ain't due to come due quite yet?
>>>>
>>>> Jimmy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:431665ea$1@linux...
>>>>> I have been ranting for a couple of years now that the biggest threat
>> to
>>>>> this country doesn't lie in terrorist attacks to large metropolitan
>>>>> cente4rs, but to the energy infrastructure. What we're seeing right
>>>>> now
>> is
>>>>> nothing compared to what would happen if someone popped a nuke in the
>>>>> Houston ship channel and in the refinery chain beltween Baton Rouge
>>>>> and
>>>> New
>>>>> Orleans.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's been over 20 years since we built any new
>>>>> refineries....why?????.....environmental lobbies here have made it
>> cheaper
>>>>> to do it overseas where the oil we buy is being produced because we
>> can't
>>>>> drill for that here either.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the meantime, there has been no real energy policy that encouraged
>>>>> investment by the private sector.
>>>>>
>>>>> We're getting ready to pay the going price in a global marketplace.
>>>> Welcome
>>>>> to European gas prices. Here they come. Fill your tank tonight. It's
>> going
>>>>> up tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> This, of course, is all hindsight. What we're really paying the price
>> for
>>>> is
>>>>> a failure of the private sector and the government to be able to
>>>> coordinate
>>>>> an energy policy that is truly effective. The government couldn't do
>>>>> it
>>>>> alone. Bureaucracies are neither effective, efficient or creative.
>> Private
>>>>> enterprise goes where the money is when the money is a sure bet.
>>>>>
>>>>> All bets are off now. Time to wake up. I'd rather invest the money I'm
>>>>> paying in taxes to solar and hydrogen technology research. Think I'll
>> be
>>>>> able to write it off???? F*** no!
>>>>>
>>>>> ;O(
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
>>>>> news:43165f67@linux...
>>>>>> yiiiikes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>I don't get it. You have your xp install on C:. Then what I do is make
>a ghost image to my D:.
Obviously I'm not explaining myself very well. ;o)
I'm not making an IMAGE on D (well, I've made images too, but...), I'm actually
cloning the partition and then trying to BOOT to D, which now is an exact
copy of C. I'm using ghost to copy from partition to partition, not partition
to image. I want to have 6 different bootable partitions. C, D, E, F, G and
H, and be able to select which of the six I boot to. One will be just Paris.
One will be Paris and other audio apps. One will have Office and other publishing
apps. One will have games... etc etc.
The problem being that if I boot to E drive after copying C drive on to it,
all the shortcuts and registry entries on E drive still point to C drive.
C drive works fine. I can create an image and restore it. It's perfect, but
if you load your ghost image on to D, E, F, G etc, and then modify the C
drive BOOT.INI so that you can boot D, E, F or whatever, then you'll still
be using many of the files off C drive because the shortcuts and registry
and who knows what else on the image all say "C:\Windows" not "D:\Windows".
I think the important word here is my misuse of the word image. The problem
is with actually cloning the partition, not with creating or restoring an
image. If I make an image of C and restore it TO C it's fine. If I restore
it to D, E or F and try to boot it, then there's trouble.
Is that clearer?
Cheers,
Kim.By the way, Erling was right, and I've got it sorted now, so it's all a non
issue. I just needed a boot manager which then automatically causes whichever
partition I boot to be called C drive, hence I'm never booting any other
drive letter. Hence the fact that everything points at C is irrelivant, because
whichever partition I boot, it is always called C.
Cheers,
Kim.
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>I don't get it. You have your xp install on C:. Then what I do is make
>
>>a ghost image to my D:.
>
>Obviously I'm not explaining myself very well. ;o)
>
>I'm not making an IMAGE on D (well, I've made images too, but...), I'm actually
>cloning the partition and then trying to BOOT to D, which now is an exact
>copy of C. I'm using ghost to copy from partition to partition, not partition
>to image. I want to have 6 different bootable partitions. C, D, E, F, G
and
>H, and be able to select which of the six I boot to. One will be just Paris.
>One will be Paris and other audio apps. One will have Office and other publishing
>apps. One will have games... etc etc.
>
>The problem being that if I boot to E drive after copying C drive on to
it,
>all the shortcuts and registry entries on E drive still point to C drive.
>C drive works fine. I can create an image and restore it. It's perfect,
but
>if you load your ghost image on to D, E, F, G etc, and then modify the C
>drive BOOT.INI so that you can boot D, E, F or whatever, then you'll still
>be using many of the files off C drive because the shortcuts and registry
>and who knows what else on the image all say "C:\Windows" not "D:\Windows".
>
>I think the important word here is my misuse of the word image. The problem
>is with actually cloning the partition, not with creating or restoring an
>image. If I make an image of C and restore it TO C it's fine. If I restore
>it to D, E or F and try to boot it, then there's trouble.
>
>Is that clearer?
>
>Cheers,
>Kim. http://www.hobbytron.com/Synthesized-FM-Stereo-Transmitter.h tml
This is the one I am looking at.
No drift accepts line input.
A bit pricy but has good range and apparently good sound quality.
I can't find the one you are taking about DJ.
Typically, they either have rca inputs or 1/8" stereo input that you would
need an rca to 1/8" adapter. (supplied with the one I am looking at).
Ofcourse you can always mod your transmitter with a longer antenna and stick
run it out the window or something.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Brandon,
>
>I would love to be able to listen to my mixes, broadcast from my DAW to
the
>radio in my car. What a great idea! I was checking these out. the most
>affordable one has a range of 30' *line of sight*. Walls and metal can
>reduce this substantially according to the specs. However, the FM38-T looks
>like a pretty substantial beast. There is no info on what kind of input
it
>uses, but I'm guessing RCA. Do you happen to know?
>
>Think of all the CD burns you could save. Between the media savings and
the
>time it takes to burn CD's again and again, at $200.00, the FM30-WT would
>pay for itself PDQ if it's got a decent range. I would need about 50' and
>for it to be able to transmit through a metal roof as my studio is upstairs,
>the roof slopes between the back wall and my driveway and/or garage and
the
>distance to the car parked in the driveway is going to be at least 30' and
>probably a bit further.
>
>Put a little dead air up front to give you time to get to the car and set
>the song to loop and you could get a real good idea of where you are with
a
>mix as far as vehicular playback goes (and probably ruin some assholes day
>who is driving down your street with thunderbuckets cranked full out if
you
>knew the band this station was using and you wanted to *substitute* his
>Gangsta' mix for a good dose of Karen Carpenter or the Osmonds).
>
>Of course, this is illegal so I would never dream of doing it.
>
>;oP
>
>Deej
>
>"Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:4316479d@linux...
>> http://www.hobbytron.com/LowPowerFMTransmitters.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:4314bb79@linux...
>> > That's very cool. I wonder how easy it is to override the FCC imposed
>> > distance limitations, When we were kids we had a pirate FM station
>that
>> > broadcast for almost a mile with a Radio Shack kit.
>> >
>> > It really has a different purpose than replacing a burned CD. I always
>> > thought it would be cool if someone made a plug-in that emulated the
>> > brickwall limiter and pre-emphasis EQ of commercial radio stations,
with
>> > presets for different types of music. Then you could really hear how
>your
>> > mixes will play on the radio.
>> >
>> > RZ
>> >
>> > "Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:43148120@linux...
>> >> I was thinking of trying an FM transmitter to monitor out in my car
and
>> >> other home stereo devices.
>> >> Anyone doing this?
>> >> I would think it would kick the shit out of burning test CD after CD.
>> >> Any suggestions?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/radi/canux300.htm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>I thought this was a pretty cool idea that Derek at CDBaby came
up with, so I joined up for it. You can donate your profits
from CDBaby to help Katrina victims for as long or as short of
a time frame as you want. If any of you or your
friends/associates have CD's for sale on CDBaby but didn't
receive this e-mail from him, here's the full text of the
e-mail pasted in below:
***begin paste***
Hi Neil -
If you'd like to donate all profits of your CD sales to the Red Cross disaster
relief fund, to help the hurricane victims, I set up an easy way for you
to do this at CD Baby.
Log in to your account, here:
https://members.cdbaby.com/login?u=***youraccountname***
After you log in, click [YOUR ITEMS], up top, then [EDIT ALBUM INFO] next
to your CD, then click next to "Giving profits to charity".
It will explain more about how it works, there. (Please read it, first,
before emailing to ask me questions.)
If you choose to do it, it will put your CD into a special section of cdbaby.com,
linked from the front page, of other artists who have chosen to give their
CD profits to the Red Cross.
Tomorrow morning I will email over 1 million CD Baby customers, telling them
about this special promotion, encouraging them to buy some CDs from this
special section.
You may think that a few sales won't help, but with thousands of musicians
banded together to do this, I think it will help a LOT of people get their
lives back together after this disaster.
Thank you.
--
Derek Sivers, CD Baby, HostBaby
http://cdbaby.com http://hostbaby.com
***end paste***I apparently misplaced my small PARIS manual (the quickstart one)
Are these available online, eg. as a pdf?http://www.hobbytron.com/ramsey-fm-transmitter-fm30-wt.html
This is the one I was thinking about.
"Brandon" <somewhere@overtherainbow.com> wrote in message
news:4316f913$1@linux...
>
> http://www.hobbytron.com/Synthesized-FM-Stereo-Transmitter.h tml
>
> This is the one I am looking at.
> No drift accepts line input.
> A bit pricy but has good range and apparently good sound quality.
>
> I can't find the one you are taking about DJ.
> Typically, they either have rca inputs or 1/8" stereo input that you would
> need an rca to 1/8" adapter. (supplied with the one I am looking at).
> Ofcourse you can always mod your transmitter with a longer antenna and
stick
> run it out the window or something.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Brandon,
> >
> >I would love to be able to listen to my mixes, broadcast from my DAW to
> the
> >radio in my car. What a great idea! I was checking these out. the most
> >affordable one has a range of 30' *line of sight*. Walls and metal can
> >reduce this substantially according to the specs. However, the FM38-T
looks
> >like a pretty substantial beast. There is no info on what kind of input
> it
> >uses, but I'm guessing RCA. Do you happen to know?
> >
> >Think of all the CD burns you could save. Between the media savings and
> the
> >time it takes to burn CD's again and again, at $200.00, the FM30-WT would
> >pay for itself PDQ if it's got a decent range. I would need about 50' and
> >for it to be able to transmit through a metal roof as my studio is
upstairs,
> >the roof slopes between the back wall and my driveway and/or garage and
> the
> >distance to the car parked in the driveway is going to be at least 30'
and
> >probably a bit further.
> >
> >Put a little dead air up front to give you time to get to the car and set
> >the song to loop and you could get a real good idea of where you are with
> a
> >mix as far as vehicular playback goes (and probably ruin some assholes
day
> >who is driving down your street with thunderbuckets cranked full out if
> you
> >knew the band this station was using and you wanted to *substitute* his
> >Gangsta' mix for a good dose of Karen Carpenter or the Osmonds).
> >
> >Of course, this is illegal so I would never dream of doing it.
> >
> >;oP
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >"Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:4316479d@linux...
> >> http://www.hobbytron.com/LowPowerFMTransmitters.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:4314bb79@linux...
> >> > That's very cool. I wonder how easy it is to override the FCC
imposed
> >> > distance limitations, When we were kids we had a pirate FM station
> >that
> >> > broadcast for almost a mile with a Radio Shack kit.
> >> >
> >> > It really has a different purpose than replacing a burned CD. I
always
> >> > thought it would be cool if someone made a plug-in that emulated the
> >> > brickwall limiter and pre-emphasis EQ of commercial radio stations,
> with
> >> > presets for different types of music. Then you could really hear how
> >your
> >> > mixes will play on the radio.
> >> >
> >> > RZ
> >> >
> >> > "Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:43148120@linux...
> >> >> I was thinking of trying an FM transmitter to monitor out in my car
> and
> >> >> other home stereo devices.
> >> >> Anyone doing this?
> >> >> I would think it would kick the shit out of burning test CD after
CD.
> >> >> Any suggestions?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/radi/canux300.htm
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>That is a cool idea. Derek is a good guy too.
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4316ff21$1@linux...
>
> I thought this was a pretty cool idea that Derek at CDBaby came
> up with, so I joined up for it. You can donate your profits
> from CDBaby to help Katrina victims for as long or as short of
> a time frame as you want. If any of you or your
> friends/associates have CD's for sale on CDBaby but didn't
> receive this e-mail from him, here's the full text of the
> e-mail pasted in below:
>
>
> ***begin paste***
>
> Hi Neil -
>
> If you'd like to donate all profits of your CD sales to the Red Cross
disaster
> relief fund, to help the hurricane victims, I set up an easy way for you
> to do this at CD Baby.
>
> Log in to your account, here:
> https://members.cdbaby.com/login?u=***youraccountname***
>
> After you log in, click [YOUR ITEMS], up top, then [EDIT ALBUM INFO] next
> to your CD, then click next to "Giving profits to charity".
>
> It will explain more about how it works, there. (Please read it, first,
> before emailing to ask me questions.)
>
> If you choose to do it, it will put your CD into a special section of
cdbaby.com,
> linked from the front page, of other artists who have chosen to give their
> CD profits to the Red Cross.
>
> Tomorrow morning I will email over 1 million CD Baby customers, telling
them
> about this special promotion, encouraging them to buy some CDs from this
> special section.
>
> You may think that a few sales won't help, but with thousands of musicians
> banded together to do this, I think it will help a LOT of people get their
> lives back together after this disaster.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Derek Sivers, CD Baby, HostBaby
> http://cdbaby.com http://hostbaby.com
>
> ***end paste***
>"Dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I apparently misplaced my small PARIS manual (the quickstart one)
>
>Are these available online, eg. as a pdf?
http://www.emu.com/support/files/storage/paris_introduction. zip
AAIf Robert Plant likes to use a phaser on vox tracks, then I think we all
should. Think how much easier mixing would be if stuff like phasing, DC
offset, 60Hz hum, feedback, midi slop, overcompression
sample rate errors, digital overs and 200Hz mud and was cool.........
..............uhhhhhhhhh.........well, now come to think of it, maybe I've
heard lots of this in records that went platinum recently.
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0redh1pvh8upo7ic7lllnup9vc7d59f13u@4ax.com...
> you're phasing.
>
> On 1 Sep 2005 16:39:11 +1000, "Dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >My problem (well, one of the lesser ones anyway):
> >
> > I used mild EDS compresion (in the Aux) to tame the loud
> > parts of a vocal track, and now it sounds like it's sung thru a
> > toilet paper tube (a rather large one). Is this possibly an issue
> > due to mixing both compressed / uncompressed signals? If so, is
> > it somehow normal procedure to insert the compression into the
> > signal chain? If that's possible, it seems like that would make
> > more sense rather than blending wet/dry signal in the aux.
> >
> > I recorded live tracks (piano, voice, cello, flute) together
> > in one room, so since there's bleed-through, I'm not sure if
> > doing that latency dance thing I've read about is an option.
> >
> > I'm only pretending to be an engineer, so detailed, third-
> >grade level directions would be much appreciated.
> >
> >TIA,
> >
> >Dale
>Kim, good to hear you got it worked out.
By the way, I'm on my way to build a new computer too. I have ordered an
Asus A8V Deluxe motherboard with an AMD64 3700(939)processor with a
Arctic-Cooling Freezer 64 cooler with heatpipe, 1 Maxtor 200GB SATA and 1
Samsung 160GB Sata, Corsair XMS 1024MB memory, NEC ND-3540A burner, AOpen
Aeolus FX520 graphic card with passive cooling an a Chill 500w power supply.
It will be nearly noisefree and for the future I can change the processor
out with a X2 processor. So, now I'm on my way to learn to use Cubase SX3
after a couple of years as an owner of both Cubase and EMU 1820M:-)
Cheers
Erling
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:4316ea07$1@linux...
>
>
> By the way, Erling was right, and I've got it sorted now, so it's all a
> non
> issue. I just needed a boot manager which then automatically causes
> whichever
> partition I boot to be called C drive, hence I'm never booting any other
> drive letter. Hence the fact that everything points at C is irrelivant,
> because
> whichever partition I boot, it is always called C.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>I don't get it. You have your xp install on C:. Then what I do is make
>>
>>>a ghost image to my D:.
>>
>>Obviously I'm not explaining myself very well. ;o)
>>
>>I'm not making an IMAGE on D (well, I've made images too, but...), I'm
>>actually
>>cloning the partition and then trying to BOOT to D, which now is an exact
>>copy of C. I'm using ghost to copy from partition to partition, not
>>partition
>>to image. I want to have 6 different bootable partitions. C, D, E, F, G
> and
>>H, and be able to select which of the six I boot to. One will be just
>>Paris.
>>One will be Paris and other audio apps. One will have Office and other
>>publishing
>>apps. One will have games... etc etc.
>>
>>The problem being that if I boot to E drive after copying C drive on to
> it,
>>all the shortcuts and registry entries on E drive still point to C drive.
>>C drive works fine. I can create an image and restore it. It's perfect,
> but
>>if you load your ghost image on to D, E, F, G etc, and then modify the C
>>drive BOOT.INI so that you can boot D, E, F or whatever, then you'll still
>>be using many of the files off C drive because the shortcuts and registry
>>and who knows what else on the image all say "C:\Windows" not
>>"D:\Windows".
>>
>>I think the important word here is my misuse of the word image. The
>>problem
>>is with actually cloning the partition, not with creating or restoring an
>>image. If I make an image of C and restore it TO C it's fine. If I restore
>>it to D, E or F and try to boot it, then there's trouble.
>>
>>Is that clearer?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>Yes..
"Mike" <spamthis@alltel.net> wrote:
>So as long as I always have the tracks in .WAV format, I should be ok?
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4316294c$1@linux...
>>
>> Mike,
>> the external drive (usb/fw) is good solution. As well as, recording
>> everything
>> in wav file format. Or Record 24 bit in Paris, then batch process in
>> wavelab
>> into 24 bit wave files
>>
>> "Mike" <spamthis@alltel.net> wrote:
>>>I know this has been asked before but I never paid attention as I never
>>
>>>thought I would be in that situation but..........
>>>
>>>I now have about 60 different clients lined up to come in and track about
>>
>>>3-5 songs each. May end up mixing some but others will go elsewhere.
>>>Anyway, I want to be able to give these people some type of media - Im
>>>thinking USB external drives at this point - to take with them and allow
>>
>>>them to walk into any studio, anywhere in the country and be able to mix
>>
>>>their stuff. Im currently just dealing with WAV files and everything has
>>
>>>been stored on either my harddrives, backup tapes or DVDs.
>>>
>>>So far Ive only burned 2 track CDs and that was it. Now I have to be
>>>compatible with Im assuming Pro Tools?
>>>
>>>What recommendations do you guys have for this situation? What format
>>>should
>>
>>>it be in and will Paris do that?
>>>Will I have to purchase Protools to be able to do this?
>>>
>>>Thanks for any suggestions!
>>>Mike
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new White House sponsored
energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to reduce America’s
dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global warming, fails to
make any significant new investments in clean energy, and fails to help consumers
at the gas pump.
What it did do includes:
Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their construction activities
from compliance with Clean Water Act.
Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of oil per day in 2014
through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry. (Who are all showing
record profits without the government bonuses.)
Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest giveaway of all time.)
The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to list but my personal
favorites are:
Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to compensate for
their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which studies have concluded
contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will give you $800 million
for your trouble. “Coincidently”, the Bush family has considerable holdings
in one of the companies.
Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge, but also similar
areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?… “Coincidently”, the Chaney family has future
Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business you would have
received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its energy efficiency.
If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a business, you
would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the IRS. (Public
outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
Gene
P.S. DJ – I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our absolute reliance
on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are negatively effected
we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us to the large
foreign oil producers and causes the “need” for Big-Stick diplomacy.
Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the road.
The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea that we must
reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy suppliers to help
us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This will help make
many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we completely run
out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health issues and
will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this already started.
Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy independence,
similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
That plus having a White House and Congress that actually cares more about
saving our economy then their personal wealth.
Genewhat's even better is that no one seems to care. Maybe some of those
tax breaks could be suspended and used for disaster relief rather than
asking joe citizen to pony up for it on telethons.
as to the MTBE...remember when reduced salt and fats soups were
introduced...they had less yet cost more. i also don't remember them
having any flavor. oh well, such is life.
On 2 Sep 2005 01:22:37 +1000, "gene lennon"
<glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new White House sponsored
>energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to reduce America’s
>dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global warming, fails to
>make any significant new investments in clean energy, and fails to help consumers
>at the gas pump.
>What it did do includes:
>Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their construction activities
>from compliance with Clean Water Act.
>Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of oil per day in 2014
>through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
>Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry. (Who are all showing
>record profits without the government bonuses.)
>Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest giveaway of all time.)
>
>The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to list but my personal
>favorites are:
>
>Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to compensate for
>their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which studies have concluded
>contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
>Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will give you $800 million
>for your trouble. “Coincidently”, the Bush family has considerable holdings
>in one of the companies.
>
>Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge, but also similar
>areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?… “Coincidently”, the Chaney family has future
>Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
>
>In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business you would have
>received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its energy efficiency.
>If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a business, you
>would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the IRS. (Public
>outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
>
>Gene
>
>P.S. DJ – I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our absolute reliance
>on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are negatively effected
>we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us to the large
>foreign oil producers and causes the “need” for Big-Stick diplomacy.
>
>Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the road.
>
>The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea that we must
>reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy suppliers to help
>us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This will help make
>many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we completely run
>out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health issues and
>will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this already started.
>Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy independence,
>similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
>That plus having a White House and Congress that actually cares more about
>saving our economy then their personal wealth.
>GeneStandard RCA connectors are used for left and right line level audio inputs.
The FM35WT can only be shipped outside the USA, or within the US if accompanied
by a signed statement that the unit will be exported.
So I guess you are going to have to get the FM30 diy kit.
Unless you are going to break the law DJ!!! Well are you???
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>http://www.hobbytron.com/ramsey-fm-transmitter-fm30-wt.html
>
>This is the one I was thinking about.
>
>"Brandon" <somewhere@overtherainbow.com> wrote in message
>news:4316f913$1@linux...
>>
>> http://www.hobbytron.com/Synthesized-FM-Stereo-Transmitter.h tml
>>
>> This is the one I am looking at.
>> No drift accepts line input.
>> A bit pricy but has good range and apparently good sound quality.
>>
>> I can't find the one you are taking about DJ.
>> Typically, they either have rca inputs or 1/8" stereo input that you would
>> need an rca to 1/8" adapter. (supplied with the one I am looking at).
>> Ofcourse you can always mod your transmitter with a longer antenna and
>stick
>> run it out the window or something.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >Brandon,
>> >
>> >I would love to be able to listen to my mixes, broadcast from my DAW
to
>> the
>> >radio in my car. What a great idea! I was checking these out. the most
>> >affordable one has a range of 30' *line of sight*. Walls and metal can
>> >reduce this substantially according to the specs. However, the FM38-T
>looks
>> >like a pretty substantial beast. There is no info on what kind of input
>> it
>> >uses, but I'm guessing RCA. Do you happen to know?
>> >
>> >Think of all the CD burns you could save. Between the media savings and
>> the
>> >time it takes to burn CD's again and again, at $200.00, the FM30-WT would
>> >pay for itself PDQ if it's got a decent range. I would need about 50'
and
>> >for it to be able to transmit through a metal roof as my studio is
>upstairs,
>> >the roof slopes between the back wall and my driveway and/or garage and
>> the
>> >distance to the car parked in the driveway is going to be at least 30'
>and
>> >probably a bit further.
>> >
>> >Put a little dead air up front to give you time to get to the car and
set
>> >the song to loop and you could get a real good idea of where you are
with
>> a
>> >mix as far as vehicular playback goes (and probably ruin some assholes
>day
>> >who is driving down your street with thunderbuckets cranked full out
if
>> you
>> >knew the band this station was using and you wanted to *substitute* his
>> >Gangsta' mix for a good dose of Karen Carpenter or the Osmonds).
>> >
>> >Of course, this is illegal so I would never dream of doing it.
>> >
>> >;oP
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> >"Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >news:4316479d@linux...
>> >> http://www.hobbytron.com/LowPowerFMTransmitters.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:4314bb79@linux...
>> >> > That's very cool. I wonder how easy it is to override the FCC
>imposed
>> >> > distance limitations, When we were kids we had a pirate FM station
>> >that
>> >> > broadcast for almost a mile with a Radio Shack kit.
>> >> >
>> >> > It really has a different purpose than replacing a burned CD. I
>always
>> >> > thought it would be cool if someone made a plug-in that emulated
the
>> >> > brickwall limiter and pre-emphasis EQ of commercial radio stations,
>> with
>> >> > presets for different types of music. Then you could really hear
how
>> >your
>> >> > mixes will play on the radio.
>> >> >
>> >> > RZ
>> >> >
>> >> > "Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:43148120@linux...
>> >> >> I was thinking of trying an FM transmitter to monitor out in my
car
>> and
>> >> >> other home stereo devices.
>> >> >> Anyone doing this?
>> >> >> I would think it would kick the shit out of burning test CD after
>CD.
>> >> >> Any suggestions?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/radi/canux300.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>These put out 25mw of power correct..
That is 1/16 mile or 330 feet or more is what I am calculating.
Should be plenty for what we are using it for.
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
> Standard RCA connectors are used for left and right line level audio inputs.
>
>The FM35WT can only be shipped outside the USA, or within the US if accompanied
>by a signed statement that the unit will be exported.
>So I guess you are going to have to get the FM30 diy kit.
>Unless you are going to break the law DJ!!! Well are you???
>
>
>
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>http://www.hobbytron.com/ramsey-fm-transmitter-fm30-wt.html
>>
>>This is the one I was thinking about.
>>
>>"Brandon" <somewhere@overtherainbow.com> wrote in message
>>news:4316f913$1@linux...
>>>
>>> http://www.hobbytron.com/Synthesized-FM-Stereo-Transmitter.h tml
>>>
>>> This is the one I am looking at.
>>> No drift accepts line input.
>>> A bit pricy but has good range and apparently good sound quality.
>>>
>>> I can't find the one you are taking about DJ.
>>> Typically, they either have rca inputs or 1/8" stereo input that you
would
>>> need an rca to 1/8" adapter. (supplied with the one I am looking at).
>>> Ofcourse you can always mod your transmitter with a longer antenna and
>>stick
>>> run it out the window or something.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >Brandon,
>>> >
>>> >I would love to be able to listen to my mixes, broadcast from my DAW
>to
>>> the
>>> >radio in my car. What a great idea! I was checking these out. the most
>>> >affordable one has a range of 30' *line of sight*. Walls and metal can
>>> >reduce this substantially according to the specs. However, the FM38-T
>>looks
>>> >like a pretty substantial beast. There is no info on what kind of input
>>> it
>>> >uses, but I'm guessing RCA. Do you happen to know?
>>> >
>>> >Think of all the CD burns you could save. Between the media savings
and
>>> the
>>> >time it takes to burn CD's again and again, at $200.00, the FM30-WT
would
>>> >pay for itself PDQ if it's got a decent range. I would need about 50'
>and
>>> >for it to be able to transmit through a metal roof as my studio is
>>upstairs,
>>> >the roof slopes between the back wall and my driveway and/or garage
and
>>> the
>>> >distance to the car parked in the driveway is going to be at least 30'
>>and
>>> >probably a bit further.
>>> >
>>> >Put a little dead air up front to give you time to get to the car and
>set
>>> >the song to loop and you could get a real good idea of where you are
>with
>>> a
>>> >mix as far as vehicular playback goes (and probably ruin some assholes
>>day
>>> >who is driving down your street with thunderbuckets cranked full out
>if
>>> you
>>> >knew the band this station was using and you wanted to *substitute*
his
>>> >Gangsta' mix for a good dose of Karen Carpenter or the Osmonds).
>>> >
>>> >Of course, this is illegal so I would never dream of doing it.
>>> >
>>> >;oP
>>> >
>>> >Deej
>>> >
>>> >"Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> >news:4316479d@linux...
>>> >> http://www.hobbytron.com/LowPowerFMTransmitters.html
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:4314bb79@linux...
>>> >> > That's very cool. I wonder how easy it is to override the FCC
>>imposed
>>> >> > distance limitations, When we were kids we had a pirate FM station
>>> >that
>>> >> > broadcast for almost a mile with a Radio Shack kit.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > It really has a different purpose than replacing a burned CD. I
>>always
>>> >> > thought it would be cool if someone made a plug-in that emulated
>the
>>> >> > brickwall limiter and pre-emphasis EQ of commercial radio stations,
>>> with
>>> >> > presets for different types of music. Then you could really hear
>how
>>> >your
>>> >> > mixes will play on the radio.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > RZ
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> >> > news:43148120@linux...
>>> >> >> I was thinking of trying an FM transmitter to monitor out in my
>car
>>> and
>>> >> >> other home stereo devices.
>>> >> >> Anyone doing this?
>>> >> >> I would think it would kick the shit out of burning test CD after
>>CD.
>>> >> >> Any suggestions?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/radi/canux300.htm
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>I'm going to move my studio to Mexico just so I can use this. Cll me Wolfman
Deej
;o)
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:43172ab4$1@linux...
>
> Standard RCA connectors are used for left and right line level audio
inputs.
>
> The FM35WT can only be shipped outside the USA, or within the US if
accompanied
> by a signed statement that the unit will be exported.
> So I guess you are going to have to get the FM30 diy kit.
> Unless you are going to break the law DJ!!! Well are you???
>
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >http://www.hobbytron.com/ramsey-fm-transmitter-fm30-wt.html
> >
> >This is the one I was thinking about.
> >
> >"Brandon" <somewhere@overtherainbow.com> wrote in message
> >news:4316f913$1@linux...
> >>
> >> http://www.hobbytron.com/Synthesized-FM-Stereo-Transmitter.h tml
> >>
> >> This is the one I am looking at.
> >> No drift accepts line input.
> >> A bit pricy but has good range and apparently good sound quality.
> >>
> >> I can't find the one you are taking about DJ.
> >> Typically, they either have rca inputs or 1/8" stereo input that you
would
> >> need an rca to 1/8" adapter. (supplied with the one I am looking at).
> >> Ofcourse you can always mod your transmitter with a longer antenna and
> >stick
> >> run it out the window or something.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >Brandon,
> >> >
> >> >I would love to be able to listen to my mixes, broadcast from my DAW
> to
> >> the
> >> >radio in my car. What a great idea! I was checking these out. the most
> >> >affordable one has a range of 30' *line of sight*. Walls and metal can
> >> >reduce this substantially according to the specs. However, the FM38-T
> >looks
> >> >like a pretty substantial beast. There is no info on what kind of
input
> >> it
> >> >uses, but I'm guessing RCA. Do you happen to know?
> >> >
> >> >Think of all the CD burns you could save. Between the media savings
and
> >> the
> >> >time it takes to burn CD's again and again, at $200.00, the FM30-WT
would
> >> >pay for itself PDQ if it's got a decent range. I would need about 50'
> and
> >> >for it to be able to transmit through a metal roof as my studio is
> >upstairs,
> >> >the roof slopes between the back wall and my driveway and/or garage
and
> >> the
> >> >distance to the car parked in the driveway is going to be at least 30'
> >and
> >> >probably a bit further.
> >> >
> >> >Put a little dead air up front to give you time to get to the car and
> set
> >> >the song to loop and you could get a real good idea of where you are
> with
> >> a
> >> >mix as far as vehicular playback goes (and probably ruin some assholes
> >day
> >> >who is driving down your street with thunderbuckets cranked full out
> if
> >> you
> >> >knew the band this station was using and you wanted to *substitute*
his
> >> >Gangsta' mix for a good dose of Karen Carpenter or the Osmonds).
> >> >
> >> >Of course, this is illegal so I would never dream of doing it.
> >> >
> >> >;oP
> >> >
> >> >Deej
> >> >
> >> >"Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:4316479d@linux...
> >> >> http://www.hobbytron.com/LowPowerFMTransmitters.html
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4314bb79@linux...
> >> >> > That's very cool. I wonder how easy it is to override the FCC
> >imposed
> >> >> > distance limitations, When we were kids we had a pirate FM
station
> >> >that
> >> >> > broadcast for almost a mile with a Radio Shack kit.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It really has a different purpose than replacing a burned CD. I
> >always
> >> >> > thought it would be cool if someone made a plug-in that emulated
> the
> >> >> > brickwall limiter and pre-emphasis EQ of commercial radio
stations,
> >> with
> >> >> > presets for different types of music. Then you could really hear
> how
> >> >your
> >> >> > mixes will play on the radio.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > RZ
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in
message
> >> >> > news:43148120@linux...
> >> >> >> I was thinking of trying an FM transmitter to monitor out in my
> car
> >> and
> >> >> >> other home stereo devices.
> >> >> >> Anyone doing this?
> >> >> >> I would think it would kick the shit out of burning test CD after
> >CD.
> >> >> >> Any suggestions?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/radi/canux300.htm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:43171cbd$1@linux...
>
> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new White House
sponsored
> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to reduce
America's
> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global warming, fails to
> make any significant new investments in clean energy, and fails to help
consumers
> at the gas pump.
> What it did do includes:
> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their construction
activities
> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of oil per day in
2014
> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry. (Who are all
showing
> record profits without the government bonuses.)
> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest giveaway of all
time.)
>
> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to list but my
personal
> favorites are:
>
> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to compensate for
> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which studies have
concluded
> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will give you $800
million
> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has considerable
holdings
> in one of the companies.
FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby *insisted* on the
refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain emissions levels. It
was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns out it was bad
shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when they only did it
because it was federally mandated.
> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge, but also similar
> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney family has
future
> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern slope of the
rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right outside of Glacier
National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The fact that Cheney
owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney, but he's from
Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four generations ago just
because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas prices.
His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with him before. If
Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good thing to get to
know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its the Halliburton
thing, right?
>
> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business you would have
> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its energy
efficiency.
> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a business, you
> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the IRS. (Public
> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree huggers. (Just a
little perspective)
;o)
>
> Gene
>
> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our absolute
reliance
> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are negatively
effected
> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us to the large
> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick diplomacy.
>
> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the road.
>
> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea that we must
> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy suppliers to help
> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This will help make
> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we completely
run
> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health issues and
> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this already
started.
> Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy independence,
> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually cares more about
> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
> Gene
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'm going to move my studio to Mexico just so I can use this. Cll me Wolfman
>Deej
>
>;o)
>
>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:43172ab4$1@linux...
>>
>> Standard RCA connectors are used for left and right line level audio
>inputs.
>>
>> The FM35WT can only be shipped outside the USA, or within the US if
>accompanied
>> by a signed statement that the unit will be exported.
>> So I guess you are going to have to get the FM30 diy kit.
>> Unless you are going to break the law DJ!!! Well are you???
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >http://www.hobbytron.com/ramsey-fm-transmitter-fm30-wt.html
>> >
>> >This is the one I was thinking about.
>> >
>> >"Brandon" <somewhere@overtherainbow.com> wrote in message
>> >news:4316f913$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> http://www.hobbytron.com/Synthesized-FM-Stereo-Transmitter.h tml
>> >>
>> >> This is the one I am looking at.
>> >> No drift accepts line input.
>> >> A bit pricy but has good range and apparently good sound quality.
>> >>
>> >> I can't find the one you are taking about DJ.
>> >> Typically, they either have rca inputs or 1/8" stereo input that you
>would
>> >> need an rca to 1/8" adapter. (supplied with the one I am looking at).
>> >> Ofcourse you can always mod your transmitter with a longer antenna
and
>> >stick
>> >> run it out the window or something.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >Brandon,
>> >> >
>> >> >I would love to be able to listen to my mixes, broadcast from my DAW
>> to
>> >> the
>> >> >radio in my car. What a great idea! I was checking these out. the
most
>> >> >affordable one has a range of 30' *line of sight*. Walls and metal
can
>> >> >reduce this substantially according to the specs. However, the FM38-T
>> >looks
>> >> >like a pretty substantial beast. There is no info on what kind of
>input
>> >> it
>> >> >uses, but I'm guessing RCA. Do you happen to know?
>> >> >
>> >> >Think of all the CD burns you could save. Between the media savings
>and
>> >> the
>> >> >time it takes to burn CD's again and again, at $200.00, the FM30-WT
>would
>> >> >pay for itself PDQ if it's got a decent range. I would need about
50'
>> and
>> >> >for it to be able to transmit through a metal roof as my studio is
>> >upstairs,
>> >> >the roof slopes between the back wall and my driveway and/or garage
>and
>> >> the
>> >> >distance to the car parked in the driveway is going to be at least
30'
>> >and
>> >> >probably a bit further.
>> >> >
>> >> >Put a little dead air up front to give you time to get to the car
and
>> set
>> >> >the song to loop and you could get a real good idea of where you are
>> with
>> >> a
>> >> >mix as far as vehicular playback goes (and probably ruin some assholes
>> >day
>> >> >who is driving down your street with thunderbuckets cranked full out
>> if
>> >> you
>> >> >knew the band this station was using and you wanted to *substitute*
>his
>> >> >Gangsta' mix for a good dose of Karen Carpenter or the Osmonds).
>> >> >
>> >> >Of course, this is illegal so I would never dream of doing it.
>> >> >
>> >> >;oP
>> >> >
>> >> >Deej
>> >> >
>> >> >"Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >> >news:4316479d@linux...
>> >> >> http://www.hobbytron.com/LowPowerFMTransmitters.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:4314bb79@linux...
>> >> >> > That's very cool. I wonder how easy it is to override the FCC
>> >imposed
>> >> >> > distance limitations, When we were kids we had a pirate FM
>station
>> >> >that
>> >> >> > broadcast for almost a mile with a Radio Shack kit.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > It really has a different purpose than replacing a burned CD.
I
>> >always
>> >> >> > thought it would be cool if someone made a plug-in that emulated
>> the
>> >> >> > brickwall limiter and pre-emphasis EQ of commercial radio
>stations,
>> >> with
>> >> >> > presets for different types of music. Then you could really hear
>> how
>> >> >your
>> >> >> > mixes will play on the radio.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > RZ
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in
>message
>> >> >> > news:43148120@linux...
>> >> >> >> I was thinking of trying an FM transmitter to monitor out in
my
>> car
>> >> and
>> >> >> >> other home stereo devices.
>> >> >> >> Anyone doing this?
>> >> >> >> I would think it would kick the shit out of burning test CD after
>> >CD.
>> >> >> >> Any suggestions?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/radi/canux300.htm
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>If you get one I will get one.
The one your looking at seems pretty nice.
I will get the same one.
"Brandon" <somewhere@overtherainbow.com> wrote:
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>I'm going to move my studio to Mexico just so I can use this. Cll me Wolfman
>>Deej
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:43172ab4$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Standard RCA connectors are used for left and right line level audio
>>inputs.
>>>
>>> The FM35WT can only be shipped outside the USA, or within the US if
>>accompanied
>>> by a signed statement that the unit will be exported.
>>> So I guess you are going to have to get the FM30 diy kit.
>>> Unless you are going to break the law DJ!!! Well are you???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >http://www.hobbytron.com/ramsey-fm-transmitter-fm30-wt.html
>>> >
>>> >This is the one I was thinking about.
>>> >
>>> >"Brandon" <somewhere@overtherainbow.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:4316f913$1@linux...
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.hobbytron.com/Synthesized-FM-Stereo-Transmitter.h tml
>>> >>
>>> >> This is the one I am looking at.
>>> >> No drift accepts line input.
>>> >> A bit pricy but has good range and apparently good sound quality.
>>> >>
>>> >> I can't find the one you are taking about DJ.
>>> >> Typically, they either have rca inputs or 1/8" stereo input that you
>>would
>>> >> need an rca to 1/8" adapter. (supplied with the one I am looking at).
>>> >> Ofcourse you can always mod your transmitter with a longer antenna
>and
>>> >stick
>>> >> run it out the window or something.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >> >Brandon,
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I would love to be able to listen to my mixes, broadcast from my
DAW
>>> to
>>> >> the
>>> >> >radio in my car. What a great idea! I was checking these out. the
>most
>>> >> >affordable one has a range of 30' *line of sight*. Walls and metal
>can
>>> >> >reduce this substantially according to the specs. However, the FM38-T
>>> >looks
>>> >> >like a pretty substantial beast. There is no info on what kind of
>>input
>>> >> it
>>> >> >uses, but I'm guessing RCA. Do you happen to know?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Think of all the CD burns you could save. Between the media savings
>>and
>>> >> the
>>> >> >time it takes to burn CD's again and again, at $200.00, the FM30-WT
>>would
>>> >> >pay for itself PDQ if it's got a decent range. I would need about
>50'
>>> and
>>> >> >for it to be able to transmit through a metal roof as my studio is
>>> >upstairs,
>>> >> >the roof slopes between the back wall and my driveway and/or garage
>>and
>>> >> the
>>> >> >distance to the car parked in the driveway is going to be at least
>30'
>>> >and
>>> >> >probably a bit further.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Put a little dead air up front to give you time to get to the car
>and
>>> set
>>> >> >the song to loop and you could get a real good idea of where you
are
>>> with
>>> >> a
>>> >> >mix as far as vehicular playback goes (and probably ruin some assholes
>>> >day
>>> >> >who is driving down your street with thunderbuckets cranked full
out
>>> if
>>> >> you
>>> >> >knew the band this station was using and you wanted to *substitute*
>>his
>>> >> >Gangsta' mix for a good dose of Karen Carpenter or the Osmonds).
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Of course, this is illegal so I would never dream of doing it.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >;oP
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Deej
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> >> >news:4316479d@linux...
>>> >> >> http://www.hobbytron.com/LowPowerFMTransmitters.html
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>news:4314bb79@linux...
>>> >> >> > That's very cool. I wonder how easy it is to override the FCC
>>> >imposed
>>> >> >> > distance limitations, When we were kids we had a pirate FM
>>station
>>> >> >that
>>> >> >> > broadcast for almost a mile with a Radio Shack kit.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > It really has a different purpose than replacing a burned CD.
> I
>>> >always
>>> >> >> > thought it would be cool if someone made a plug-in that emulated
>>> the
>>> >> >> > brickwall limiter and pre-emphasis EQ of commercial radio
>>stations,
>>> >> with
>>> >> >> > presets for different types of music. Then you could really
hear
>>> how
>>> >> >your
>>> >> >> > mixes will play on the radio.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > RZ
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > "Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in
>>message
>>> >> >> > news:43148120@linux...
>>> >> >> >> I was thinking of trying an FM transmitter to monitor out in
>my
>>> car
>>> >> and
>>> >> >> >> other home stereo devices.
>>> >> >> >> Anyone doing this?
>>> >> >> >> I would think it would kick the shit out of burning test CD
after
>>> >CD.
>>> >> >> >> Any suggestions?
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/radi/canux300.htm
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>I inquired about this on another forum. Here's the one reply I've received
so far:
http://www.3daudioinc.com/3db/showthread.php?p=50799#post507 99
Looks pretty viable.
:o)
"Brandon" <somewhere@overtherainbow.com> wrote in message
news:431737fb$1@linux...
>
>
>
>
>
> If you get one I will get one.
> The one your looking at seems pretty nice.
> I will get the same one.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Brandon" <somewhere@overtherainbow.com> wrote:
> >
> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>I'm going to move my studio to Mexico just so I can use this. Cll me
Wolfman
> >>Deej
> >>
> >>;o)
> >>
> >>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:43172ab4$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>> Standard RCA connectors are used for left and right line level audio
> >>inputs.
> >>>
> >>> The FM35WT can only be shipped outside the USA, or within the US if
> >>accompanied
> >>> by a signed statement that the unit will be exported.
> >>> So I guess you are going to have to get the FM30 diy kit.
> >>> Unless you are going to break the law DJ!!! Well are you???
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>> >http://www.hobbytron.com/ramsey-fm-transmitter-fm30-wt.html
> >>> >
> >>> >This is the one I was thinking about.
> >>> >
> >>> >"Brandon" <somewhere@overtherainbow.com> wrote in message
> >>> >news:4316f913$1@linux...
> >>> >>
> >>> >> http://www.hobbytron.com/Synthesized-FM-Stereo-Transmitter.h tml
> >>> >>
> >>> >> This is the one I am looking at.
> >>> >> No drift accepts line input.
> >>> >> A bit pricy but has good range and apparently good sound quality.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I can't find the one you are taking about DJ.
> >>> >> Typically, they either have rca inputs or 1/8" stereo input that
you
> >>would
> >>> >> need an rca to 1/8" adapter. (supplied with the one I am looking
at).
> >>> >> Ofcourse you can always mod your transmitter with a longer antenna
> >and
> >>> >stick
> >>> >> run it out the window or something.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>> >> >Brandon,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >I would love to be able to listen to my mixes, broadcast from my
> DAW
> >>> to
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> >radio in my car. What a great idea! I was checking these out. the
> >most
> >>> >> >affordable one has a range of 30' *line of sight*. Walls and metal
> >can
> >>> >> >reduce this substantially according to the specs. However, the
FM38-T
> >>> >looks
> >>> >> >like a pretty substantial beast. There is no info on what kind of
> >>input
> >>> >> it
> >>> >> >uses, but I'm guessing RCA. Do you happen to know?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >Think of all the CD burns you could save. Between the media
savings
> >>and
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> >time it takes to burn CD's again and again, at $200.00, the
FM30-WT
> >>would
> >>> >> >pay for itself PDQ if it's got a decent range. I would need about
> >50'
> >>> and
> >>> >> >for it to be able to transmit through a metal roof as my studio is
> >>> >upstairs,
> >>> >> >the roof slopes between the back wall and my driveway and/or
garage
> >>and
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> >distance to the car parked in the driveway is going to be at least
> >30'
> >>> >and
> >>> >> >probably a bit further.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >Put a little dead air up front to give you time to get to the car
> >and
> >>> set
> >>> >> >the song to loop and you could get a real good idea of where you
> are
> >>> with
> >>> >> a
> >>> >> >mix as far as vehicular playback goes (and probably ruin some
assholes
> >>> >day
> >>> >> >who is driving down your street with thunderbuckets cranked full
> out
> >>> if
> >>> >> you
> >>> >> >knew the band this station was using and you wanted to
*substitute*
> >>his
> >>> >> >Gangsta' mix for a good dose of Karen Carpenter or the Osmonds).
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >Of course, this is illegal so I would never dream of doing it.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >;oP
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >Deej
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >"Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in
message
> >>> >> >news:4316479d@linux...
> >>> >> >> http://www.hobbytron.com/LowPowerFMTransmitters.html
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> "RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >>news:4314bb79@linux...
> >>> >> >> > That's very cool. I wonder how easy it is to override the FCC
> >>> >imposed
> >>> >> >> > distance limitations, When we were kids we had a pirate FM
> >>station
> >>> >> >that
> >>> >> >> > broadcast for almost a mile with a Radio Shack kit.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > It really has a different purpose than replacing a burned CD.
> > I
> >>> >always
> >>> >> >> > thought it would be cool if someone made a plug-in that
emulated
> >>> the
> >>> >> >> > brickwall limiter and pre-emphasis EQ of commercial radio
> >>stations,
> >>> >> with
> >>> >> >> > presets for different types of music. Then you could really
> hear
> >>> how
> >>> >> >your
> >>> >> >> > mixes will play on the radio.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > RZ
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > "Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in
> >>message
> >>> >> >> > news:43148120@linux...
> >>> >> >> >> I was thinking of trying an FM transmitter to monitor out in
> >my
> >>> car
> >>> >> and
> >>> >> >> >> other home stereo devices.
> >>> >> >> >> Anyone doing this?
> >>> >> >> >> I would think it would kick the shit out of burning test CD
> after
> >>> >CD.
> >>> >> >> >> Any suggestions?
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/radi/canux300.htm
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>Awesome - thanks, Aaron
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@dyespam.net> wrote:
>
>"Dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>I apparently misplaced my small PARIS manual (the quickstart one)
>>
>>Are these available online, eg. as a pdf?
>
> http://www.emu.com/support/files/storage/paris_introduction. zip
>
>AAHi there...I recently tried hooking up the :Lexicon MX 200 hardware unit
with USB interface..I am running PARIS 2.2 with XP...The included drivers
TOTALLY crashed my system...Had to re-install...lost VST presets.. I was
afraid to try it again...returned.. A friend of mine with a MAC had no
problems...the unit sounds good for $200....Install with cautionHow does the UAD-1 Project pack card run with PARIS and XP system? Any
success/failure comments?...I have been sitting there watching TV shows and heard stuff I've done
playing on the radio in the background during a scene... kinda cool
actually!
David.
DJ wrote:
> I just found out that the first CD project I ever did for a client back in
> 1998 (Big Thick Wooden Board by Owen Egerton) has actually had one song on
> the soundtrack of a movie (a song called Fraternity Life on the movie Going
> Greek), another of the songs (which I co-produced and played lead guitar and
> bass) is being considered for a VH-1 production and also, the album also got
> some play on Dr. Demento a while back.
>
> The reason I say OMG is because ..........errrr.......well......I've done
> better work since then, but it wasn't something I'm ashmed of either and
> hey, I'm really happy for the artist as this was a comedy album and the
> songs really are entertaining. It's one of those things where the songs
> themselves certainly overshadowed the skills of the engineer.
>
> It was a fun project and I learned quite a bit while doing it.
>
> ;o)
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I've just bought these 2 x 250Gig drives. Plus my old 120Gig is still in
> the box, in addition to my old old 27Gig... all up that's... err...
> 647Gig!
>
> Surely somebody here has a terrabyte in their Paris box? :o)
Heehee, OK:
Mac dual 800 G4, 160 GB system/apps disk, 250 GB internal data disk, three
250 GB Firewire drives for sound libraries. 1160 GB or so on just that one
computer. :-) (Pretty soon, I'm going to give in and put together a couple
rack mount pcs for the orchestral libraries...)
--
-Doug
http://www.parisfaqs.comBush on Good Moring America today....
"Who would have thought the levee would have breached?"
"No One Can Say They Didn't See It Coming"
By Sidney Blumenthal
Salon.com
Wednesday 31 August 2005
In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the
three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New
Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.
A New Orleans resident waded through floodwaters coated with a fine layer
of oil in the flooded downtown area on Tuesday, August 30, 2005.
Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left
millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to thousands
reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New Orleans
has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the hurricane
may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.
A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New
Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration
ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six people
in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project,
in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and pumping
stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a
report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three
most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York
City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially
dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration
cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps
of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than
80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction
in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of
the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds
for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.
The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the hurricane published
a series on the federal funding problem, and whose presses are now underwater,
reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it coming ... Now in the
wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about
the lack of preparation."
The Bush administration's policy of turning over wetlands to developers
almost certainly also contributed to the heightened level of the storm surge.
In 1990, a federal task force began restoring lost wetlands surrounding New
Orleans. Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent City and the Gulf
reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no net loss" of wetlands,
a policy launched by his father's administration and bolstered by President
Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003, unleashing the developers.
The Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency then
announced they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were somehow
related to interstate commerce.
In response to this potential crisis, four leading environmental groups
conducted a joint expert study, concluding in 2004 that without wetlands
protection New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much less a Category
4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to describe how mindless a policy that
is when it comes to wetlands protection," said one of the report's authors.
The chairman of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality dismissed
the study as "highly questionable," and boasted, "Everybody loves what we're
doing."
"My administration's climate change policy will be science based," President
Bush declared in June 2001. But in 2002, when the Environmental Protection
Agency submitted a study on global warming to the United Nations reflecting
its expert research, Bush derided it as "a report put out by a bureaucracy,"
and excised the climate change assessment from the agency's annual report.
The next year, when the EPA issued its first comprehensive "Report on the
Environment," stating, "Climate change has global consequences for human
health and the environment," the White House simply demanded removal of the
line and all similar conclusions. At the G-8 meeting in Scotland this year,
Bush successfully stymied any common action on global warming. Scientists,
meanwhile, have continued to accumulate impressive data on the rising temperature
of the oceans, which has produced more severe hurricanes.
In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists, including 20
Nobel laureates, warned in a statement, "Restoring Scientific Integrity in
Policymaking": "Successful application of science has played a large part
in the policies that have made the United States of America the world's most
powerful nation and its citizens increasingly prosperous and healthy ...
Indeed, this principle has long been adhered to by presidents and administrations
of both parties in forming and implementing policies. The administration
of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this principle ... The distortion
of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease." Bush completely
ignored this statement.
In the two weeks preceding the storm in the Gulf, the trumping of science
by ideology and expertise by special interests accelerated. The Federal Drug
Administration announced that it was postponing sale of the morning-after
contraceptive pill, despite overwhelming scientific evidence of its safety
and its approval by the FDA's scientific advisory board. The United Nations
special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush administration of responsibility
for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's evangelical
Christian agenda of "abstinence." When the chief of the Bureau of Justice
Statistics in the Justice Department was ordered by the White House to delete
its study that African-Americans and other minorities are subject to racial
profiling in police traffic stops and he refused to buckle under, he was
forced out of his job. When the Army Corps of Engineers' chief contracting
oversight analyst objected to a $7 billion no-bid contract awarded for work
in Iraq to Halliburton (the firm at which Vice President Cheney was formerly
CEO), she was demoted despite her superior professional ratings. At the National
Park Service, a former Cheney aide, a political appointee lacking professional
background, drew up a plan to overturn past environmental practices and prohibit
any mention of evolution while allowing sale of religious materials through
the Park Service.
On the day the levees burst in New Orleans, Bush delivered a speech in
Colorado comparing the Iraq war to World War II and himself to Franklin D.
Roosevelt: "And he knew that the best way to bring peace and stability to
the region was by bringing freedom to Japan." Bush had boarded his very own
"Streetcar Named Desire."And this is news? They've been predicting this for 40 years? I saw the
Army Corp of Engineers General on Fox last night and he said the levees were
designed to withstand a Cat 3 hurricane. He said we should be talking to
the Dutch since they seem to have it down. :)
"Time For a Revolution" <stickittobush@whitehouse.crap> wrote in message
news:43174564$1@linux...
>
> Bush on Good Moring America today....
>
> "Who would have thought the levee would have breached?"
>
>
> "No One Can Say They Didn't See It Coming"
> By Sidney Blumenthal
> Salon.com
>
> Wednesday 31 August 2005
>
> In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the
> three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut
> New
> Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.
>
>
> A New Orleans resident waded through floodwaters coated with a fine layer
> of oil in the flooded downtown area on Tuesday, August 30, 2005.
>
> Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left
> millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to
> thousands
> reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New
> Orleans
> has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the
> hurricane
> may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.
>
> A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New
> Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush
> administration
> ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six
> people
> in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control
> Project,
> in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and
> pumping
> stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a
> report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three
> most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New
> York
> City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project
> essentially
> dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush
> administration
> cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps
> of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more
> than
> 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total
> reduction
> in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of
> the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds
> for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.
>
> The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the hurricane published
> a series on the federal funding problem, and whose presses are now
> underwater,
> reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it coming ... Now in the
> wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked
> about
> the lack of preparation."
>
> The Bush administration's policy of turning over wetlands to developers
> almost certainly also contributed to the heightened level of the storm
> surge.
> In 1990, a federal task force began restoring lost wetlands surrounding
> New
> Orleans. Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent City and the Gulf
> reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no net loss" of
> wetlands,
> a policy launched by his father's administration and bolstered by
> President
> Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003, unleashing the developers.
> The Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency then
> announced they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were somehow
> related to interstate commerce.
>
> In response to this potential crisis, four leading environmental groups
> conducted a joint expert study, concluding in 2004 that without wetlands
> protection New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much less a
> Category
> 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to describe how mindless a policy that
> is when it comes to wetlands protection," said one of the report's
> authors.
> The chairman of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality
> dismissed
> the study as "highly questionable," and boasted, "Everybody loves what
> we're
> doing."
>
> "My administration's climate change policy will be science based,"
> President
> Bush declared in June 2001. But in 2002, when the Environmental Protection
> Agency submitted a study on global warming to the United Nations
> reflecting
> its expert research, Bush derided it as "a report put out by a
> bureaucracy,"
> and excised the climate change assessment from the agency's annual report.
> The next year, when the EPA issued its first comprehensive "Report on the
> Environment," stating, "Climate change has global consequences for human
> health and the environment," the White House simply demanded removal of
> the
> line and all similar conclusions. At the G-8 meeting in Scotland this
> year,
> Bush successfully stymied any common action on global warming. Scientists,
> meanwhile, have continued to accumulate impressive data on the rising
> temperature
> of the oceans, which has produced more severe hurricanes.
>
> In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists, including 20
> Nobel laureates, warned in a statement, "Restoring Scientific Integrity in
> Policymaking": "Successful application of science has played a large part
> in the policies that have made the United States of America the world's
> most
> powerful nation and its citizens increasingly prosperous and healthy ...
> Indeed, this principle has long been adhered to by presidents and
> administrations
> of both parties in forming and implementing policies. The administration
> of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this principle ... The
> distortion
> of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease." Bush
> completely
> ignored this statement.
>
> In the two weeks preceding the storm in the Gulf, the trumping of
> science
> by ideology and expertise by special interests accelerated. The Federal
> Drug
> Administration announced that it was postponing sale of the morning-after
> contraceptive pill, despite overwhelming scientific evidence of its safety
> and its approval by the FDA's scientific advisory board. The United
> Nations
> special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush administration of
> responsibility
> for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's
> evangelical
> Christian agenda of "abstinence." When the chief of the Bureau of Justice
> Statistics in the Justice Department was ordered by the White House to
> delete
> its study that African-Americans and other minorities are subject to
> racial
> profiling in police traffic stops and he refused to buckle under, he was
> forced out of his job. When the Army Corps of Engineers' chief contracting
> oversight analyst objected to a $7 billion no-bid contract awarded for
> work
> in Iraq to Halliburton (the firm at which Vice President Cheney was
> formerly
> CEO), she was demoted despite her superior professional ratings. At the
> National
> Park Service, a former Cheney aide, a political appointee lacking
> professional
> background, drew up a plan to overturn past environmental practices and
> prohibit
> any mention of evolution while allowing sale of religious materials
> through
> the Park Service.
>
> On the day the levees burst in New Orleans, Bush delivered a speech in
> Colorado comparing the Iraq war to World War II and himself to Franklin D.
> Roosevelt: "And he knew that the best way to bring peace and stability to
> the region was by bringing freedom to Japan." Bush had boarded his very
> own
> "Streetcar Named Desire."
>
>No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just reinforced the stereotype
of someone who works in the industry.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>news:43171cbd$1@linux...
>>
>> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new White House
>sponsored
>> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to reduce
>America's
>> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global warming, fails
to
>> make any significant new investments in clean energy, and fails to help
>consumers
>> at the gas pump.
>> What it did do includes:
>> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their construction
>activities
>> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
>> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of oil per day in
>2014
>> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
>> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry. (Who are all
>showing
>> record profits without the government bonuses.)
>> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest giveaway of all
>time.)
>>
>> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to list but my
>personal
>> favorites are:
>>
>> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to compensate
for
>> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which studies have
>concluded
>> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
>> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will give you $800
>million
>> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has considerable
>holdings
>> in one of the companies.
>
>FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby *insisted* on the
>refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain emissions levels. It
>was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns out it was bad
>shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when they only did
it
>because it was federally mandated.
>
>> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge, but also similar
>> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney family has
>future
>> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
>
>There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern slope of the
>rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right outside of Glacier
>National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The fact that Cheney
>owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney, but he's from
>Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four generations ago just
>because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas prices.
>
>His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with him before.
If
>Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good thing to get to
>know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its the Halliburton
>thing, right?
>
>>
>> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business you would
have
>> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its energy
>efficiency.
>> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a business, you
>> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the IRS. (Public
>> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
>
>Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree huggers. (Just a
>little perspective)
>
>;o)
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our absolute
>reliance
>> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are negatively
>effected
>> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us to the large
>> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick diplomacy.
>>
>> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the road.
>>
>> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea that we must
>> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy suppliers to
help
>> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This will help make
>> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we completely
>run
>> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health issues and
>> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this already
>started.
>> Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy independence,
>> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
>> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually cares more about
>> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
>> Gene
>>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby *insisted* on the
>refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain emissions levels. It
>was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns out it was bad
>shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when they only did
it
>because it was federally mandated.
>
This may be true but it is an interesting perspective on the history.
The environmentalists got onboard with MTBE because the additive companies
presented the information on the positive impact, while covering up known
problems with cancer and ground pollution.
This was well documented in a California study funded by the California state
legislature.
Naturally when presented with studies that showed significant improvement
in air quality, most pro environmental groups signed on.
When the full truth came out, the oil industry backed by the first Bush White
House and conservative members of congress (can you say Tom DeLay) did everything
in their power to hide the facts, and then block efforts to remove the MTBE.
Now the $800 Million bonus for lying to us, and poisoning us.
It is quite an interesting twist to blame this on the environmental movement.
GeneOr these guys... we use them for audio distribution at large scale
events (street festivals and the like).
http://www.decade.ca/
David.
DJ wrote:
> Brandon,
>
> I would love to be able to listen to my mixes, broadcast from my DAW to the
> radio in my car. What a great idea! I was checking these out. the most
> affordable one has a range of 30' *line of sight*. Walls and metal can
> reduce this substantially according to the specs. However, the FM38-T looks
> like a pretty substantial beast. There is no info on what kind of input it
> uses, but I'm guessing RCA. Do you happen to know?
>
> Think of all the CD burns you could save. Between the media savings and the
> time it takes to burn CD's again and again, at $200.00, the FM30-WT would
> pay for itself PDQ if it's got a decent range. I would need about 50' and
> for it to be able to transmit through a metal roof as my studio is upstairs,
> the roof slopes between the back wall and my driveway and/or garage and the
> distance to the car parked in the driveway is going to be at least 30' and
> probably a bit further.
>
> Put a little dead air up front to give you time to get to the car and set
> the song to loop and you could get a real good idea of where you are with a
> mix as far as vehicular playback goes (and probably ruin some assholes day
> who is driving down your street with thunderbuckets cranked full out if you
> knew the band this station was using and you wanted to *substitute* his
> Gangsta' mix for a good dose of Karen Carpenter or the Osmonds).
>
> Of course, this is illegal so I would never dream of doing it.
>
> ;oP
>
> Deej
>
> "Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:4316479d@linux...
>
>>http://www.hobbytron.com/LowPowerFMTransmitters.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:4314bb79@linux...
>>
>>>That's very cool. I wonder how easy it is to override the FCC imposed
>>>distance limitations, When we were kids we had a pirate FM station
>
> that
>
>>>broadcast for almost a mile with a Radio Shack kit.
>>>
>>>It really has a different purpose than replacing a burned CD. I always
>>>thought it would be cool if someone made a plug-in that emulated the
>>>brickwall limiter and pre-emphasis EQ of commercial radio stations, with
>>>presets for different types of music. Then you could really hear how
>
> your
>
>>>mixes will play on the radio.
>>>
>>>RZ
>>>
>>>"Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>news:43148120@linux...
>>>
>>>>I was thinking of trying an FM transmitter to monitor out in my car and
>>>>other home stereo devices.
>>>>Anyone doing this?
>>>>I would think it would kick the shit out of burning test CD after CD.
>>>>Any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/radi/canux300.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>I gotcha. I hear there are also physical switches you can buy to
switch/pick your C: drive on bootup. I like the removeable trays myself.
Kim wrote:
> By the way, Erling was right, and I've got it sorted now, so it's all a non
> issue. I just needed a boot manager which then automatically causes whichever
> partition I boot to be called C drive, hence I'm never booting any other
> drive letter. Hence the fact that everything points at C is irrelivant, because
> whichever partition I boot, it is always called C.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I don't get it. You have your xp install on C:. Then what I do is make
>>
>>>a ghost image to my D:.
>>
>>Obviously I'm not explaining myself very well. ;o)
>>
>>I'm not making an IMAGE on D (well, I've made images too, but...), I'm actually
>>cloning the partition and then trying to BOOT to D, which now is an exact
>>copy of C. I'm using ghost to copy from partition to partition, not partition
>>to image. I want to have 6 different bootable partitions. C, D, E, F, G
>
> and
>
>>H, and be able to select which of the six I boot to. One will be just Paris.
>>One will be Paris and other audio apps. One will have Office and other publishing
>>apps. One will have games... etc etc.
>>
>>The problem being that if I boot to E drive after copying C drive on to
>
> it,
>
>>all the shortcuts and registry entries on E drive still point to C drive.
>>C drive works fine. I can create an image and restore it. It's perfect,
>
> but
>
>>if you load your ghost image on to D, E, F, G etc, and then modify the C
>>drive BOOT.INI so that you can boot D, E, F or whatever, then you'll still
>>be using many of the files off C drive because the shortcuts and registry
>>and who knows what else on the image all say "C:\Windows" not "D:\Windows".
>>
>>I think the important word here is my misuse of the word image. The problem
>>is with actually cloning the partition, not with creating or restoring an
>>image. If I make an image of C and restore it TO C it's fine. If I restore
>>it to D, E or F and try to boot it, then there's trouble.
>>
>>Is that clearer?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>
>Ok, everyone together now! TROLL!
Tony
(yes, my real name and everything) ;>)
"Time For a Revolution" <stickittobush@whitehouse.crap> wrote in message
news:43174564$1@linux...
>
> Bush on Good Moring America today....
>
> "Who would have thought the levee would have breached?"
>
>
> "No One Can Say They Didn't See It Coming"
> By Sidney Blumenthal
> Salon.com
>
> Wednesday 31 August 2005
>
> In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the
> three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut
> New
> Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.
>
>
> A New Orleans resident waded through floodwaters coated with a fine layer
> of oil in the flooded downtown area on Tuesday, August 30, 2005.
>
> Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left
> millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to
> thousands
> reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New
> Orleans
> has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the
> hurricane
> may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.
>
> A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New
> Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush
> administration
> ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six
> people
> in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control
> Project,
> in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and
> pumping
> stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a
> report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three
> most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New
> York
> City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project
> essentially
> dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush
> administration
> cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps
> of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more
> than
> 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total
> reduction
> in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of
> the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds
> for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.
>
> The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the hurricane published
> a series on the federal funding problem, and whose presses are now
> underwater,
> reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it coming ... Now in the
> wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked
> about
> the lack of preparation."
>
> The Bush administration's policy of turning over wetlands to developers
> almost certainly also contributed to the heightened level of the storm
> surge.
> In 1990, a federal task force began restoring lost wetlands surrounding
> New
> Orleans. Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent City and the Gulf
> reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no net loss" of
> wetlands,
> a policy launched by his father's administration and bolstered by
> President
> Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003, unleashing the developers.
> The Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency then
> announced they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were somehow
> related to interstate commerce.
>
> In response to this potential crisis, four leading environmental groups
> conducted a joint expert study, concluding in 2004 that without wetlands
> protection New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much less a
> Category
> 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to describe how mindless a policy that
> is when it comes to wetlands protection," said one of the report's
> authors.
> The chairman of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality
> dismissed
> the study as "highly questionable," and boasted, "Everybody loves what
> we're
> doing."
>
> "My administration's climate change policy will be science based,"
> President
> Bush declared in June 2001. But in 2002, when the Environmental Protection
> Agency submitted a study on global warming to the United Nations
> reflecting
> its expert research, Bush derided it as "a report put out by a
> bureaucracy,"
> and excised the climate change assessment from the agency's annual report.
> The next year, when the EPA issued its first comprehensive "Report on the
> Environment," stating, "Climate change has global consequences for human
> health and the environment," the White House simply demanded removal of
> the
> line and all similar conclusions. At the G-8 meeting in Scotland this
> year,
> Bush successfully stymied any common action on global warming. Scientists,
> meanwhile, have continued to accumulate impressive data on the rising
> temperature
> of the oceans, which has produced more severe hurricanes.
>
> In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists, including 20
> Nobel laureates, warned in a statement, "Restoring Scientific Integrity in
> Policymaking": "Successful application of science has played a large part
> in the policies that have made the United States of America the world's
> most
> powerful nation and its citizens increasingly prosperous and healthy ...
> Indeed, this principle has long been adhered to by presidents and
> administrations
> of both parties in forming and implementing policies. The administration
> of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this principle ... The
> distortion
> of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease." Bush
> completely
> ignored this statement.
>
> In the two weeks preceding the storm in the Gulf, the trumping of
> science
> by ideology and expertise by special interests accelerated. The Federal
> Drug
> Administration announced that it was postponing sale of the morning-after
> contraceptive pill, despite overwhelming scientific evidence of its safety
> and its approval by the FDA's scientific advisory board. The United
> Nations
> special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush administration of
> responsibility
> for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's
> evangelical
> Christian agenda of "abstinence." When the chief of the Bureau of Justice
> Statistics in the Justice Department was ordered by the White House to
> delete
> its study that African-Americans and other minorities are subject to
> racial
> profiling in police traffic stops and he refused to buckle under, he was
> forced out of his job. When the Army Corps of Engineers' chief contracting
> oversight analyst objected to a $7 billion no-bid contract awarded for
> work
> in Iraq to Halliburton (the firm at which Vice President Cheney was
> formerly
> CEO), she was demoted despite her superior professional ratings. At the
> National
> Park Service, a former Cheney aide, a political appointee lacking
> professional
> background, drew up a plan to overturn past environmental practices and
> prohibit
> any mention of evolution while allowing sale of religious materials
> through
> the Park Service.
>
> On the day the levees burst in New Orleans, Bush delivered a speech in
> Colorado comparing the Iraq war to World War II and himself to Franklin D.
> Roosevelt: "And he knew that the best way to bring peace and stability to
> the region was by bringing freedom to Japan." Bush had boarded his very
> own
> "Streetcar Named Desire."
>
>1. What's a good plugin for noise removal? Anything that will work in Paris?
Standalone?
2.What are my options for replacing one or both pickups in my Telecaster
with humbuckers? I love the way my guitar sounds, and wouldn't want to
necessarily change the sound itself, but I sure would love to kill the
noise...
I play through an old silver-face Fender Twin that a local amp guru has
rewired to black-face specs. It sounds amazing, and it's in top shape, but
I'd love to get that Tele-Twin combo a little quieter...
JimmyTurn off your computer monitor if you have the old bulky type.
Shield your electronics compartment on your tele with that paper shielding
(adhesive on one side).
Use a gate. or just cut out the noise manually.
Cool edit pro has a pretty good noise filter , but you have to process it.
make sure you get a sample of just the noise for Cep sample.
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>1. What's a good plugin for noise removal? Anything that will work in Paris?
>Standalone?
>
>2.What are my options for replacing one or both pickups in my Telecaster
>with humbuckers? I love the way my guitar sounds, and wouldn't want to
>necessarily change the sound itself, but I sure would love to kill the
>noise...
>
>I play through an old silver-face Fender Twin that a local amp guru has
>rewired to black-face specs. It sounds amazing, and it's in top shape, but
>I'd love to get that Tele-Twin combo a little quieter...
>
>Jimmy
>
>Good call Tony.
An Army Corp of Engineer rep said yesterday in an interview that it was
years ago when the levee was inadequately designed. The reason - they did a
cost/benefit analysis and a more secure levee didn't make sense - I guess
the probability of a Cat 5 hurricane was in the negligible range at the
time, or they didn't know it would be that bad. Hindsight is always 20/20,
especially for those that have nothing to do with planning beforehand...
The levee is mostly porous rock and earth, not concrete and steel. Current
federal funding had nothing to do with it - that was maintenance money at
best, not redesign. The engineer pretty much said there was nothing that
could have been done to the levee short of rebuilding it from scratch that
would have stopped what happened.
Please, troll, don't waste our time with politically motivated rantings.
Placing blame is a complete waste of time, especially for people who just
lost everything in New Orleans, Louisiana and Mississippi. People posting
rantings as a way to stick it to the administration are no better than price
gouging hotels and gas station owners in Louisiana and Miss - opportunists,
at best. The gulf coast is suffering enough, and our country needs to
exercise a measure of respect and cohesiveness to resolve the energy crisis
we may be facing.
Dedric
in article 43175704@linux, Tony Benson at t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a m p t
o n.c o m wrote on 9/1/05 2:31 PM:
> Ok, everyone together now! TROLL!
>
> Tony
> (yes, my real name and everything) ;>)
>
>
> "Time For a Revolution" <stickittobush@whitehouse.crap> wrote in message
> news:43174564$1@linux...
>>
>> Bush on Good Moring America today....
>>
>> "Who would have thought the levee would have breached?"
>>
>>
>> "No One Can Say They Didn't See It Coming"
>> By Sidney Blumenthal
>> Salon.com
>>
>> Wednesday 31 August 2005
>>
>> In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the
>> three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut
>> New
>> Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.
>>
>>
>> A New Orleans resident waded through floodwaters coated with a fine layer
>> of oil in the flooded downtown area on Tuesday, August 30, 2005.
>>
>> Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left
>> millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to
>> thousands
>> reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New
>> Orleans
>> has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the
>> hurricane
>> may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.
>>
>> A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New
>> Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush
>> administration
>> ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six
>> people
>> in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control
>> Project,
>> in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and
>> pumping
>> stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a
>> report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three
>> most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New
>> York
>> City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project
>> essentially
>> dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush
>> administration
>> cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps
>> of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more
>> than
>> 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total
>> reduction
>> in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of
>> the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds
>> for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.
>>
>> The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the hurricane published
>> a series on the federal funding problem, and whose presses are now
>> underwater,
>> reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it coming ... Now in the
>> wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked
>> about
>> the lack of preparation."
>>
>> The Bush administration's policy of turning over wetlands to developers
>> almost certainly also contributed to the heightened level of the storm
>> surge.
>> In 1990, a federal task force began restoring lost wetlands surrounding
>> New
>> Orleans. Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent City and the Gulf
>> reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no net loss" of
>> wetlands,
>> a policy launched by his father's administration and bolstered by
>> President
>> Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003, unleashing the developers.
>> The Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency then
>> announced they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were somehow
>> related to interstate commerce.
>>
>> In response to this potential crisis, four leading environmental groups
>> conducted a joint expert study, concluding in 2004 that without wetlands
>> protection New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much less a
>> Category
>> 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to describe how mindless a policy that
>> is when it comes to wetlands protection," said one of the report's
>> authors.
>> The chairman of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality
>> dismissed
>> the study as "highly questionable," and boasted, "Everybody loves what
>> we're
>> doing."
>>
>> "My administration's climate change policy will be science based,"
>> President
>> Bush declared in June 2001. But in 2002, when the Environmental Protection
>> Agency submitted a study on global warming to the United Nations
>> reflecting
>> its expert research, Bush derided it as "a report put out by a
>> bureaucracy,"
>> and excised the climate change assessment from the agency's annual report.
>> The next year, when the EPA issued its first comprehensive "Report on the
>> Environment," stating, "Climate change has global consequences for human
>> health and the environment," the White House simply demanded removal of
>> the
>> line and all similar conclusions. At the G-8 meeting in Scotland this
>> year,
>> Bush successfully stymied any common action on global warming. Scientists,
>> meanwhile, have continued to accumulate impressive data on the rising
>> temperature
>> of the oceans, which has produced more severe hurricanes.
>>
>> In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists, including 20
>> Nobel laureates, warned in a statement, "Restoring Scientific Integrity in
>> Policymaking": "Successful application of science has played a large part
>> in the policies that have made the United States of America the world's
>> most
>> powerful nation and its citizens increasingly prosperous and healthy ...
>> Indeed, this principle has long been adhered to by presidents and
>> administrations
>> of both parties in forming and implementing policies. The administration
>> of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this principle ... The
>> distortion
>> of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease." Bush
>> completely
>> ignored this statement.
>>
>> In the two weeks preceding the storm in the Gulf, the trumping of
>> science
>> by ideology and expertise by special interests accelerated. The Federal
>> Drug
>> Administration announced that it was postponing sale of the morning-after
>> contraceptive pill, despite overwhelming scientific evidence of its safety
>> and its approval by the FDA's scientific advisory board. The United
>> Nations
>> special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush administration of
>> responsibility
>> for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's
>> evangelical
>> Christian agenda of "abstinence." When the chief of the Bureau of Justice
>> Statistics in the Justice Department was ordered by the White House to
>> delete
>> its study that African-Americans and other minorities are subject to
>> racial
>> profiling in police traffic stops and he refused to buckle under, he was
>> forced out of his job. When the Army Corps of Engineers' chief contracting
>> oversight analyst objected to a $7 billion no-bid contract awarded for
>> work
>> in Iraq to Halliburton (the firm at which Vice President Cheney was
>> formerly
>> CEO), she was demoted despite her superior professional ratings. At the
>> National
>> Park Service, a former Cheney aide, a political appointee lacking
>> professional
>> background, drew up a plan to overturn past environmental practices and
>> prohibit
>> any mention of evolution while allowing sale of religious materials
>> through
>> the Park Service.
>>
>> On the day the levees burst in New Orleans, Bush delivered a speech in
>> Colorado comparing the Iraq war to World War II and himself to Franklin D.
>> Roosevelt: "And he knew that the best way to bring peace and stability to
>> the region was by bringing freedom to Japan." Bush had boarded his very
>> own
>> "Streetcar Named Desire."
>>
>>
>
>not really guys... shooting the messenger isn't a legit debate point,
although you did provide some additional info.
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
news:BF3CC2D2.4CB%dedric@echomg.com...
> Good call Tony.
>
> An Army Corp of Engineer rep said yesterday in an interview that it was
> years ago when the levee was inadequately designed. The reason - they did
> a
> cost/benefit analysis and a more secure levee didn't make sense - I guess
> the probability of a Cat 5 hurricane was in the negligible range at the
> time, or they didn't know it would be that bad. Hindsight is always
> 20/20,
> especially for those that have nothing to do with planning beforehand...
>
> The levee is mostly porous rock and earth, not concrete and steel.
> Current
> federal funding had nothing to do with it - that was maintenance money at
> best, not redesign. The engineer pretty much said there was nothing that
> could have been done to the levee short of rebuilding it from scratch that
> would have stopped what happened.
>
> Please, troll, don't waste our time with politically motivated rantings.
> Placing blame is a complete waste of time, especially for people who just
> lost everything in New Orleans, Louisiana and Mississippi. People posting
> rantings as a way to stick it to the administration are no better than
> price
> gouging hotels and gas station owners in Louisiana and Miss -
> opportunists,
> at best. The gulf coast is suffering enough, and our country needs to
> exercise a measure of respect and cohesiveness to resolve the energy
> crisis
> we may be facing.
>
> Dedric
>
> in article 43175704@linux, Tony Benson at t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a m p
> t
> o n.c o m wrote on 9/1/05 2:31 PM:
>
>> Ok, everyone together now! TROLL!
>>
>> Tony
>> (yes, my real name and everything) ;>)
>>
>>
>> "Time For a Revolution" <stickittobush@whitehouse.crap> wrote in message
>> news:43174564$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Bush on Good Moring America today....
>>>
>>> "Who would have thought the levee would have breached?"
>>>
>>>
>>> "No One Can Say They Didn't See It Coming"
>>> By Sidney Blumenthal
>>> Salon.com
>>>
>>> Wednesday 31 August 2005
>>>
>>> In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of
>>> the
>>> three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut
>>> New
>>> Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.
>>>
>>>
>>> A New Orleans resident waded through floodwaters coated with a fine
>>> layer
>>> of oil in the flooded downtown area on Tuesday, August 30, 2005.
>>>
>>> Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left
>>> millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to
>>> thousands
>>> reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New
>>> Orleans
>>> has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the
>>> hurricane
>>> may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.
>>>
>>> A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New
>>> Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush
>>> administration
>>> ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six
>>> people
>>> in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control
>>> Project,
>>> in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and
>>> pumping
>>> stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued
>>> a
>>> report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the
>>> three
>>> most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New
>>> York
>>> City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project
>>> essentially
>>> dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush
>>> administration
>>> cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps
>>> of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more
>>> than
>>> 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total
>>> reduction
>>> in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district
>>> of
>>> the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds
>>> for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.
>>>
>>> The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the hurricane published
>>> a series on the federal funding problem, and whose presses are now
>>> underwater,
>>> reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it coming ... Now in
>>> the
>>> wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked
>>> about
>>> the lack of preparation."
>>>
>>> The Bush administration's policy of turning over wetlands to developers
>>> almost certainly also contributed to the heightened level of the storm
>>> surge.
>>> In 1990, a federal task force began restoring lost wetlands surrounding
>>> New
>>> Orleans. Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent City and the
>>> Gulf
>>> reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no net loss" of
>>> wetlands,
>>> a policy launched by his father's administration and bolstered by
>>> President
>>> Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003, unleashing the
>>> developers.
>>> The Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency then
>>> announced they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were somehow
>>> related to interstate commerce.
>>>
>>> In response to this potential crisis, four leading environmental groups
>>> conducted a joint expert study, concluding in 2004 that without wetlands
>>> protection New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much less a
>>> Category
>>> 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to describe how mindless a policy
>>> that
>>> is when it comes to wetlands protection," said one of the report's
>>> authors.
>>> The chairman of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality
>>> dismissed
>>> the study as "highly questionable," and boasted, "Everybody loves what
>>> we're
>>> doing."
>>>
>>> "My administration's climate change policy will be science based,"
>>> President
>>> Bush declared in June 2001. But in 2002, when the Environmental
>>> Protection
>>> Agency submitted a study on global warming to the United Nations
>>> reflecting
>>> its expert research, Bush derided it as "a report put out by a
>>> bureaucracy,"
>>> and excised the climate change assessment from the agency's annual
>>> report.
>>> The next year, when the EPA issued its first comprehensive "Report on
>>> the
>>> Environment," stating, "Climate change has global consequences for human
>>> health and the environment," the White House simply demanded removal of
>>> the
>>> line and all similar conclusions. At the G-8 meeting in Scotland this
>>> year,
>>> Bush successfully stymied any common action on global warming.
>>> Scientists,
>>> meanwhile, have continued to accumulate impressive data on the rising
>>> temperature
>>> of the oceans, which has produced more severe hurricanes.
>>>
>>> In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists, including 20
>>> Nobel laureates, warned in a statement, "Restoring Scientific Integrity
>>> in
>>> Policymaking": "Successful application of science has played a large
>>> part
>>> in the policies that have made the United States of America the world's
>>> most
>>> powerful nation and its citizens increasingly prosperous and healthy ...
>>> Indeed, this principle has long been adhered to by presidents and
>>> administrations
>>> of both parties in forming and implementing policies. The administration
>>> of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this principle ... The
>>> distortion
>>> of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease." Bush
>>> completely
>>> ignored this statement.
>>>
>>> In the two weeks preceding the storm in the Gulf, the trumping of
>>> science
>>> by ideology and expertise by special interests accelerated. The Federal
>>> Drug
>>> Administration announced that it was postponing sale of the
>>> morning-after
>>> contraceptive pill, despite overwhelming scientific evidence of its
>>> safety
>>> and its approval by the FDA's scientific advisory board. The United
>>> Nations
>>> special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush administration of
>>> responsibility
>>> for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's
>>> evangelical
>>> Christian agenda of "abstinence." When the chief of the Bureau of
>>> Justice
>>> Statistics in the Justice Department was ordered by the White House to
>>> delete
>>> its study that African-Americans and other minorities are subject to
>>> racial
>>> profiling in police traffic stops and he refused to buckle under, he was
>>> forced out of his job. When the Army Corps of Engineers' chief
>>> contracting
>>> oversight analyst objected to a $7 billion no-bid contract awarded for
>>> work
>>> in Iraq to Halliburton (the firm at which Vice President Cheney was
>>> formerly
>>> CEO), she was demoted despite her superior professional ratings. At the
>>> National
>>> Park Service, a former Cheney aide, a political appointee lacking
>>> professional
>>> background, drew up a plan to overturn past environmental practices and
>>> prohibit
>>> any mention of evolution while allowing sale of religious materials
>>> through
>>> the Park Service.
>>>
>>> On the day the levees burst in New Orleans, Bush delivered a speech in
>>> Colorado comparing the Iraq war to World War II and himself to Franklin
>>> D.
>>> Roosevelt: "And he knew that the best way to bring peace and stability
>>> to
>>> the region was by bringing freedom to Japan." Bush had boarded his very
>>> own
>>> "Streetcar Named Desire."
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Thanks Dimitrios!
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>Dear Dale,
>We were talking about comprssion in aux some posts before...
>If you wanna use compression on a vocal track just put it as insert on eds
>slots so you will have only wet compressed vocal output.
>If you wanna mix uncompressed and compressed (mostly used for drums+bass)
>please read my previous post.
>"Compressed drumtracks along with uncompressed"
>I hope this helps a bit...
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>"Dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:4316a20f$1@linux...
>>
>> My problem (well, one of the lesser ones anyway):
>>
>> I used mild EDS compresion (in the Aux) to tame the loud
>> parts of a vocal track, and now it sounds like it’s sung thru a
>> toilet paper tube (a rather large one). Is this possibly an issue
>> due to mixing both compressed / uncompressed signals? If so, is
>> it somehow normal procedure to insert the compression into the
>> signal chain? If that’s possible, it seems like that would make
>> more sense rather than blending wet/dry signal in the aux.
>>
>> I recorded live tracks (piano, voice, cello, flute) together
>> in one room, so since there’s bleed-through, I’m not sure if
>> doing that latency dance thing I’ve read about is an option.
>>
>> I’m only pretending to be an engineer, so detailed, third-
>> grade level directions would be much appreciated.
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Dale
>
>Or stand inside a well grounded faraday Cage to put your parts down.
On-stage it would look very "Spinal Tap" ;-)
David.
Brandon wrote:
> Turn off your computer monitor if you have the old bulky type.
>
> Shield your electronics compartment on your tele with that paper shielding
> (adhesive on one side).
>
> Use a gate. or just cut out the noise manually.
>
> Cool edit pro has a pretty good noise filter , but you have to process it.
> make sure you get a sample of just the noise for Cep sample.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>1. What's a good plugin for noise removal? Anything that will work in Paris?
>>Standalone?
>>
>>2.What are my options for replacing one or both pickups in my Telecaster
>>with humbuckers? I love the way my guitar sounds, and wouldn't want to
>>necessarily change the sound itself, but I sure would love to kill the
>>noise...
>>
>>I play through an old silver-face Fender Twin that a local amp guru has
>>rewired to black-face specs. It sounds amazing, and it's in top shape, but
>>I'd love to get that Tele-Twin combo a little quieter...
>>
>>Jimmy
>>
>>
>
>and when you do use CEP/Audition DO NOT use more than 50% reduction
per pass. do more passes at lower reduction levels.
On 2 Sep 2005 06:39:46 +1000, "Brandon" <s@s.com> wrote:
>
>Turn off your computer monitor if you have the old bulky type.
>
>Shield your electronics compartment on your tele with that paper shielding
>(adhesive on one side).
>
>Use a gate. or just cut out the noise manually.
>
>Cool edit pro has a pretty good noise filter , but you have to process it.
>make sure you get a sample of just the noise for Cep sample.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>1. What's a good plugin for noise removal? Anything that will work in Paris?
>>Standalone?
>>
>>2.What are my options for replacing one or both pickups in my Telecaster
>>with humbuckers? I love the way my guitar sounds, and wouldn't want to
>>necessarily change the sound itself, but I sure would love to kill the
>>noise...
>>
>>I play through an old silver-face Fender Twin that a local amp guru has
>>rewired to black-face specs. It sounds amazing, and it's in top shape, but
>>I'd love to get that Tele-Twin combo a little quieter...
>>
>>Jimmy
>>
>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>2.What are my options for replacing one or both pickups in my Telecaster
>with humbuckers? I love the way my guitar sounds, and wouldn't want to
>necessarily change the sound itself, but I sure would love to kill the
>noise...
These pickups *kill* and are dead silent. Not fake single coil sound,
but the best, clear single coil sound I've ever heard, despite being
dead silent.
http://www.fralinpickups.com/humbuckers.asp#p92
I use the "Twangmaster" and love it. It's 2 coils, but each coil is
only covering 3 strings. That way the coils can be in series, so you
get the silence of a HB, but because only 1 coil picks up each
string, you get the sound of a single.
Another option, if you want something to go in the standard cutout
is Chris Kinman's stuff.
http://www.kinman.com
His Tele pickups are very quiet and sound terrific, and don't require
cutting any larger openings in anything. He's an Aussie, but his
pickups sound like Fullerton (or maybe Memphis) if you know
what I mean.
Inside Paris, sometimes I simply go around editing out the spaces
between guitar parts to get the hum out if I just have to use
a guitar with a buzzy pickup on it. Lot's of work, but effective
unless the guitar is clean, and mixed way up front.
DCThat only applies if the messenger is delivering the truth.
I have proof that all the money diverted from any federal flood control
projects was used to pay for welfare programs, grants for people who roll
around in shit and call it art, federally funded abortion clinics, and
interest on defaulted student loans.
;>)
Obviously, the above sentence is farce, as is the linked article in
question.
Tony
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
news:431769bb@linux...
> not really guys... shooting the messenger isn't a legit debate point,
> although you did provide some additional info.
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
> news:BF3CC2D2.4CB%dedric@echomg.com...
>> Good call Tony.
>>
>> An Army Corp of Engineer rep said yesterday in an interview that it was
>> years ago when the levee was inadequately designed. The reason - they
>> did a
>> cost/benefit analysis and a more secure levee didn't make sense - I guess
>> the probability of a Cat 5 hurricane was in the negligible range at the
>> time, or they didn't know it would be that bad. Hindsight is always
>> 20/20,
>> especially for those that have nothing to do with planning beforehand...
>>
>> The levee is mostly porous rock and earth, not concrete and steel.
>> Current
>> federal funding had nothing to do with it - that was maintenance money at
>> best, not redesign. The engineer pretty much said there was nothing that
>> could have been done to the levee short of rebuilding it from scratch
>> that
>> would have stopped what happened.
>>
>> Please, troll, don't waste our time with politically motivated rantings.
>> Placing blame is a complete waste of time, especially for people who just
>> lost everything in New Orleans, Louisiana and Mississippi. People
>> posting
>> rantings as a way to stick it to the administration are no better than
>> price
>> gouging hotels and gas station owners in Louisiana and Miss -
>> opportunists,
>> at best. The gulf coast is suffering enough, and our country needs to
>> exercise a measure of respect and cohesiveness to resolve the energy
>> crisis
>> we may be facing.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> in article 43175704@linux, Tony Benson at t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a m p
>> t
>> o n.c o m wrote on 9/1/05 2:31 PM:
>>
>>> Ok, everyone together now! TROLL!
>>>
>>> Tony
>>> (yes, my real name and everything) ;>)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Time For a Revolution" <stickittobush@whitehouse.crap> wrote in message
>>> news:43174564$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Bush on Good Moring America today....
>>>>
>>>> "Who would have thought the levee would have breached?"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "No One Can Say They Didn't See It Coming"
>>>> By Sidney Blumenthal
>>>> Salon.com
>>>>
>>>> Wednesday 31 August 2005
>>>>
>>>> In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of
>>>> the
>>>> three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut
>>>> New
>>>> Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A New Orleans resident waded through floodwaters coated with a fine
>>>> layer
>>>> of oil in the flooded downtown area on Tuesday, August 30, 2005.
>>>>
>>>> Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left
>>>> millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to
>>>> thousands
>>>> reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New
>>>> Orleans
>>>> has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the
>>>> hurricane
>>>> may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.
>>>>
>>>> A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New
>>>> Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush
>>>> administration
>>>> ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six
>>>> people
>>>> in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control
>>>> Project,
>>>> in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and
>>>> pumping
>>>> stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued
>>>> a
>>>> report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the
>>>> three
>>>> most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New
>>>> York
>>>> City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project
>>>> essentially
>>>> dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush
>>>> administration
>>>> cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army
>>>> Corps
>>>> of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more
>>>> than
>>>> 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total
>>>> reduction
>>>> in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district
>>>> of
>>>> the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding
>>>> funds
>>>> for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.
>>>>
>>>> The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the hurricane published
>>>> a series on the federal funding problem, and whose presses are now
>>>> underwater,
>>>> reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it coming ... Now in
>>>> the
>>>> wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked
>>>> about
>>>> the lack of preparation."
>>>>
>>>> The Bush administration's policy of turning over wetlands to developers
>>>> almost certainly also contributed to the heightened level of the storm
>>>> surge.
>>>> In 1990, a federal task force began restoring lost wetlands surrounding
>>>> New
>>>> Orleans. Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent City and the
>>>> Gulf
>>>> reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no net loss" of
>>>> wetlands,
>>>> a policy launched by his father's administration and bolstered by
>>>> President
>>>> Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003, unleashing the
>>>> developers.
>>>> The Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency
>>>> then
>>>> announced they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were
>>>> somehow
>>>> related to interstate commerce.
>>>>
>>>> In response to this potential crisis, four leading environmental groups
>>>> conducted a joint expert study, concluding in 2004 that without
>>>> wetlands
>>>> protection New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much less a
>>>> Category
>>>> 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to describe how mindless a policy
>>>> that
>>>> is when it comes to wetlands protection," said one of the report's
>>>> authors.
>>>> The chairman of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality
>>>> dismissed
>>>> the study as "highly questionable," and boasted, "Everybody loves what
>>>> we're
>>>> doing."
>>>>
>>>> "My administration's climate change policy will be science based,"
>>>> President
>>>> Bush declared in June 2001. But in 2002, when the Environmental
>>>> Protection
>>>> Agency submitted a study on global warming to the United Nations
>>>> reflecting
>>>> its expert research, Bush derided it as "a report put out by a
>>>> bureaucracy,"
>>>> and excised the climate change assessment from the agency's annual
>>>> report.
>>>> The next year, when the EPA issued its first comprehensive "Report on
>>>> the
>>>> Environment," stating, "Climate change has global consequences for
>>>> human
>>>> health and the environment," the White House simply demanded removal of
>>>> the
>>>> line and all similar conclusions. At the G-8 meeting in Scotland this
>>>> year,
>>>> Bush successfully stymied any common action on global warming.
>>>> Scientists,
>>>> meanwhile, have continued to accumulate impressive data on the rising
>>>> temperature
>>>> of the oceans, which has produced more severe hurricanes.
>>>>
>>>> In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists, including 20
>>>> Nobel laureates, warned in a statement, "Restoring Scientific Integrity
>>>> in
>>>> Policymaking": "Successful application of science has played a large
>>>> part
>>>> in the policies that have made the United States of America the world's
>>>> most
>>>> powerful nation and its citizens increasingly prosperous and healthy
>>>> ...
>>>> Indeed, this principle has long been adhered to by presidents and
>>>> administrations
>>>> of both parties in forming and implementing policies. The
>>>> administration
>>>> of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this principle ... The
>>>> distortion
>>>> of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease." Bush
>>>> completely
>>>> ignored this statement.
>>>>
>>>> In the two weeks preceding the storm in the Gulf, the trumping of
>>>> science
>>>> by ideology and expertise by special interests accelerated. The Federal
>>>> Drug
>>>> Administration announced that it was postponing sale of the
>>>> morning-after
>>>> contraceptive pill, despite overwhelming scientific evidence of its
>>>> safety
>>>> and its approval by the FDA's scientific advisory board. The United
>>>> Nations
>>>> special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush administration of
>>>> responsibility
>>>> for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's
>>>> evangelical
>>>> Christian agenda of "abstinence." When the chief of the Bureau of
>>>> Justice
>>>> Statistics in the Justice Department was ordered by the White House to
>>>> delete
>>>> its study that African-Americans and other minorities are subject to
>>>> racial
>>>> profiling in police traffic stops and he refused to buckle under, he
>>>> was
>>>> forced out of his job. When the Army Corps of Engineers' chief
>>>> contracting
>>>> oversight analyst objected to a $7 billion no-bid contract awarded for
>>>> work
>>>> in Iraq to Halliburton (the firm at which Vice President Cheney was
>>>> formerly
>>>> CEO), she was demoted despite her superior professional ratings. At the
>>>> National
>>>> Park Service, a former Cheney aide, a political appointee lacking
>>>> professional
>>>> background, drew up a plan to overturn past environmental practices and
>>>> prohibit
>>>> any mention of evolution while allowing sale of religious materials
>>>> through
>>>> the Park Service.
>>>>
>>>> On the day the levees burst in New Orleans, Bush delivered a speech in
>>>> Colorado comparing the Iraq war to World War II and himself to Franklin
>>>> D.
>>>> Roosevelt: "And he knew that the best way to bring peace and stability
>>>> to
>>>> the region was by bringing freedom to Japan." Bush had boarded his very
>>>> own
>>>> "Streetcar Named Desire."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Anonymous posting of politically motivated website articles using every
topic from the Iraq war to AIDs as to argue why the Bush administration was
responsible for not preventing the levee break isn't a well reasoned basis
for a legitimate debate.
in article 431769bb@linux, justcron at justcron@hydrorecords.compound wrote
on 9/1/05 3:51 PM:
> not really guys... shooting the messenger isn't a legit debate point,
> although you did provide some additional info.
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
> news:BF3CC2D2.4CB%dedric@echomg.com...
>> Good call Tony.
>>
>> An Army Corp of Engineer rep said yesterday in an interview that it was
>> years ago when the levee was inadequately designed. The reason - they did
>> a
>> cost/benefit analysis and a more secure levee didn't make sense - I guess
>> the probability of a Cat 5 hurricane was in the negligible range at the
>> time, or they didn't know it would be that bad. Hindsight is always
>> 20/20,
>> especially for those that have nothing to do with planning beforehand...
>>
>> The levee is mostly porous rock and earth, not concrete and steel.
>> Current
>> federal funding had nothing to do with it - that was maintenance money at
>> best, not redesign. The engineer pretty much said there was nothing that
>> could have been done to the levee short of rebuilding it from scratch that
>> would have stopped what happened.
>>
>> Please, troll, don't waste our time with politically motivated rantings.
>> Placing blame is a complete waste of time, especially for people who just
>> lost everything in New Orleans, Louisiana and Mississippi. People posting
>> rantings as a way to stick it to the administration are no better than
>> price
>> gouging hotels and gas station owners in Louisiana and Miss -
>> opportunists,
>> at best. The gulf coast is suffering enough, and our country needs to
>> exercise a measure of respect and cohesiveness to resolve the energy
>> crisis
>> we may be facing.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> in article 43175704@linux, Tony Benson at t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a m p
>> t
>> o n.c o m wrote on 9/1/05 2:31 PM:
>>
>>> Ok, everyone together now! TROLL!
>>>
>>> Tony
>>> (yes, my real name and everything) ;>)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Time For a Revolution" <stickittobush@whitehouse.crap> wrote in message
>>> news:43174564$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Bush on Good Moring America today....
>>>>
>>>> "Who would have thought the levee would have breached?"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "No One Can Say They Didn't See It Coming"
>>>> By Sidney Blumenthal
>>>> Salon.com
>>>>
>>>> Wednesday 31 August 2005
>>>>
>>>> In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of
>>>> the
>>>> three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut
>>>> New
>>>> Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A New Orleans resident waded through floodwaters coated with a fine
>>>> layer
>>>> of oil in the flooded downtown area on Tuesday, August 30, 2005.
>>>>
>>>> Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left
>>>> millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to
>>>> thousands
>>>> reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New
>>>> Orleans
>>>> has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the
>>>> hurricane
>>>> may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.
>>>>
>>>> A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New
>>>> Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush
>>>> administration
>>>> ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six
>>>> people
>>>> in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control
>>>> Project,
>>>> in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and
>>>> pumping
>>>> stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued
>>>> a
>>>> report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the
>>>> three
>>>> most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New
>>>> York
>>>> City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project
>>>> essentially
>>>> dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush
>>>> administration
>>>> cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps
>>>> of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more
>>>> than
>>>> 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total
>>>> reduction
>>>> in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district
>>>> of
>>>> the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds
>>>> for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.
>>>>
>>>> The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the hurricane published
>>>> a series on the federal funding problem, and whose presses are now
>>>> underwater,
>>>> reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it coming ... Now in
>>>> the
>>>> wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked
>>>> about
>>>> the lack of preparation."
>>>>
>>>> The Bush administration's policy of turning over wetlands to developers
>>>> almost certainly also contributed to the heightened level of the storm
>>>> surge.
>>>> In 1990, a federal task force began restoring lost wetlands surrounding
>>>> New
>>>> Orleans. Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent City and the
>>>> Gulf
>>>> reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no net loss" of
>>>> wetlands,
>>>> a policy launched by his father's administration and bolstered by
>>>> President
>>>> Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003, unleashing the
>>>> developers.
>>>> The Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency then
>>>> announced they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were somehow
>>>> related to interstate commerce.
>>>>
>>>> In response to this potential crisis, four leading environmental groups
>>>> conducted a joint expert study, concluding in 2004 that without wetlands
>>>> protection New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much less a
>>>> Category
>>>> 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to describe how mindless a policy
>>>> that
>>>> is when it comes to wetlands protection," said one of the report's
>>>> authors.
>>>> The chairman of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality
>>>> dismissed
>>>> the study as "highly questionable," and boasted, "Everybody loves what
>>>> we're
>>>> doing."
>>>>
>>>> "My administration's climate change policy will be science based,"
>>>> President
>>>> Bush declared in June 2001. But in 2002, when the Environmental
>>>> Protection
>>>> Agency submitted a study on global warming to the United Nations
>>>> reflecting
>>>> its expert research, Bush derided it as "a report put out by a
>>>> bureaucracy,"
>>>> and excised the climate change assessment from the agency's annual
>>>> report.
>>>> The next year, when the EPA issued its first comprehensive "Report on
>>>> the
>>>> Environment," stating, "Climate change has global consequences for human
>>>> health and the environment," the White House simply demanded removal of
>>>> the
>>>> line and all similar conclusions. At the G-8 meeting in Scotland this
>>>> year,
>>>> Bush successfully stymied any common action on global warming.
>>>> Scientists,
>>>> meanwhile, have continued to accumulate impressive data on the rising
>>>> temperature
>>>> of the oceans, which has produced more severe hurricanes.
>>>>
>>>> In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists, including 20
>>>> Nobel laureates, warned in a statement, "Restoring Scientific Integrity
>>>> in
>>>> Policymaking": "Successful application of science has played a large
>>>> part
>>>> in the policies that have made the United States of America the world's
>>>> most
>>>> powerful nation and its citizens increasingly prosperous and healthy ...
>>>> Indeed, this principle has long been adhered to by presidents and
>>>> administrations
>>>> of both parties in forming and implementing policies. The administration
>>>> of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this principle ... The
>>>> distortion
>>>> of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease." Bush
>>>> completely
>>>> ignored this statement.
>>>>
>>>> In the two weeks preceding the storm in the Gulf, the trumping of
>>>> science
>>>> by ideology and expertise by special interests accelerated. The Federal
>>>> Drug
>>>> Administration announced that it was postponing sale of the
>>>> morning-after
>>>> contraceptive pill, despite overwhelming scientific evidence of its
>>>> safety
>>>> and its approval by the FDA's scientific advisory board. The United
>>>> Nations
>>>> special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush administration of
>>>> responsibility
>>>> for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's
>>>> evangelical
>>>> Christian agenda of "abstinence." When the chief of the Bureau of
>>>> Justice
>>>> Statistics in the Justice Department was ordered by the White House to
>>>> delete
>>>> its study that African-Americans and other minorities are subject to
>>>> racial
>>>> profiling in police traffic stops and he refused to buckle under, he was
>>>> forced out of his job. When the Army Corps of Engineers' chief
>>>> contracting
>>>> oversight analyst objected to a $7 billion no-bid contract awarded for
>>>> work
>>>> in Iraq to Halliburton (the firm at which Vice President Cheney was
>>>> formerly
>>>> CEO), she was demoted despite her superior professional ratings. At the
>>>> National
>>>> Park Service, a former Cheney aide, a political appointee lacking
>>>> professional
>>>> background, drew up a plan to overturn past environmental practices and
>>>> prohibit
>>>> any mention of evolution while allowing sale of religious materials
>>>> through
>>>> the Park Service.
>>>>
>>>> On the day the levees burst in New Orleans, Bush delivered a speech in
>>>> Colorado comparing the Iraq war to World War II and himself to Franklin
>>>> D.
>>>> Roosevelt: "And he knew that the best way to bring peace and stability
>>>> to
>>>> the region was by bringing freedom to Japan." Bush had boarded his very
>>>> own
>>>> "Streetcar Named Desire."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>"Tony Benson" <t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a m p t o n.c o m> wrote:
>That only applies if the messenger is delivering the truth.
>
>I have proof that all the money diverted from any federal flood control
>projects was used to pay for welfare programs, grants for people who roll
>around in shit and call it art, federally funded abortion clinics, and
>interest on defaulted student loans.
>
what a warm and fuzzy response
JMyou guys are funny...
what do YOU consider a reliable source?
FWIW, I've been hearing the same thing reported all day on multiple
channels.
"Tony Benson" <t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a m p t o n.c o m> wrote in message
news:4317792a@linux...
> That only applies if the messenger is delivering the truth.
>
> I have proof that all the money diverted from any federal flood control
> projects was used to pay for welfare programs, grants for people who roll
> around in shit and call it art, federally funded abortion clinics, and
> interest on defaulted student loans.
>
> ;>)
>
> Obviously, the above sentence is farce, as is the linked article in
> question.
>
> Tony
>
>
> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
> news:431769bb@linux...
>> not really guys... shooting the messenger isn't a legit debate point,
>> although you did provide some additional info.
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
>> news:BF3CC2D2.4CB%dedric@echomg.com...
>>> Good call Tony.
>>>
>>> An Army Corp of Engineer rep said yesterday in an interview that it was
>>> years ago when the levee was inadequately designed. The reason - they
>>> did a
>>> cost/benefit analysis and a more secure levee didn't make sense - I
>>> guess
>>> the probability of a Cat 5 hurricane was in the negligible range at the
>>> time, or they didn't know it would be that bad. Hindsight is always
>>> 20/20,
>>> especially for those that have nothing to do with planning beforehand...
>>>
>>> The levee is mostly porous rock and earth, not concrete and steel.
>>> Current
>>> federal funding had nothing to do with it - that was maintenance money
>>> at
>>> best, not redesign. The engineer pretty much said there was nothing that
>>> could have been done to the levee short of rebuilding it from scratch
>>> that
>>> would have stopped what happened.
>>>
>>> Please, troll, don't waste our time with politically motivated rantings.
>>> Placing blame is a complete waste of time, especially for people who
>>> just
>>> lost everything in New Orleans, Louisiana and Mississippi. People
>>> posting
>>> rantings as a way to stick it to the administration are no better than
>>> price
>>> gouging hotels and gas station owners in Louisiana and Miss -
>>> opportunists,
>>> at best. The gulf coast is suffering enough, and our country needs to
>>> exercise a measure of respect and cohesiveness to resolve the energy
>>> crisis
>>> we may be facing.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> in article 43175704@linux, Tony Benson at t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a m
>>> p t
>>> o n.c o m wrote on 9/1/05 2:31 PM:
>>>
>>>> Ok, everyone together now! TROLL!
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>> (yes, my real name and everything) ;>)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Time For a Revolution" <stickittobush@whitehouse.crap> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>> news:43174564$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Bush on Good Moring America today....
>>>>>
>>>>> "Who would have thought the levee would have breached?"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "No One Can Say They Didn't See It Coming"
>>>>> By Sidney Blumenthal
>>>>> Salon.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Wednesday 31 August 2005
>>>>>
>>>>> In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of
>>>>> the
>>>>> three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration
>>>>> cut
>>>>> New
>>>>> Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A New Orleans resident waded through floodwaters coated with a fine
>>>>> layer
>>>>> of oil in the flooded downtown area on Tuesday, August 30, 2005.
>>>>>
>>>>> Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has
>>>>> left
>>>>> millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to
>>>>> thousands
>>>>> reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New
>>>>> Orleans
>>>>> has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the
>>>>> hurricane
>>>>> may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.
>>>>>
>>>>> A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New
>>>>> Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush
>>>>> administration
>>>>> ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six
>>>>> people
>>>>> in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control
>>>>> Project,
>>>>> in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and
>>>>> pumping
>>>>> stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency
>>>>> issued a
>>>>> report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the
>>>>> three
>>>>> most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New
>>>>> York
>>>>> City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project
>>>>> essentially
>>>>> dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush
>>>>> administration
>>>>> cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army
>>>>> Corps
>>>>> of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more
>>>>> than
>>>>> 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total
>>>>> reduction
>>>>> in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district
>>>>> of
>>>>> the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding
>>>>> funds
>>>>> for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.
>>>>>
>>>>> The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the hurricane published
>>>>> a series on the federal funding problem, and whose presses are now
>>>>> underwater,
>>>>> reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it coming ... Now in
>>>>> the
>>>>> wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being
>>>>> asked
>>>>> about
>>>>> the lack of preparation."
>>>>>
>>>>> The Bush administration's policy of turning over wetlands to
>>>>> developers
>>>>> almost certainly also contributed to the heightened level of the storm
>>>>> surge.
>>>>> In 1990, a federal task force began restoring lost wetlands
>>>>> surrounding
>>>>> New
>>>>> Orleans. Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent City and the
>>>>> Gulf
>>>>> reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no net loss" of
>>>>> wetlands,
>>>>> a policy launched by his father's administration and bolstered by
>>>>> President
>>>>> Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003, unleashing the
>>>>> developers.
>>>>> The Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency
>>>>> then
>>>>> announced they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were
>>>>> somehow
>>>>> related to interstate commerce.
>>>>>
>>>>> In response to this potential crisis, four leading environmental
>>>>> groups
>>>>> conducted a joint expert study, concluding in 2004 that without
>>>>> wetlands
>>>>> protection New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much less a
>>>>> Category
>>>>> 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to describe how mindless a policy
>>>>> that
>>>>> is when it comes to wetlands protection," said one of the report's
>>>>> authors.
>>>>> The chairman of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality
>>>>> dismissed
>>>>> the study as "highly questionable," and boasted, "Everybody loves what
>>>>> we're
>>>>> doing."
>>>>>
>>>>> "My administration's climate change policy will be science based,"
>>>>> President
>>>>> Bush declared in June 2001. But in 2002, when the Environmental
>>>>> Protection
>>>>> Agency submitted a study on global warming to the United Nations
>>>>> reflecting
>>>>> its expert research, Bush derided it as "a report put out by a
>>>>> bureaucracy,"
>>>>> and excised the climate change assessment from the agency's annual
>>>>> report.
>>>>> The next year, when the EPA issued its first comprehensive "Report on
>>>>> the
>>>>> Environment," stating, "Climate change has global consequences for
>>>>> human
>>>>> health and the environment," the White House simply demanded removal
>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>> line and all similar conclusions. At the G-8 meeting in Scotland this
>>>>> year,
>>>>> Bush successfully stymied any common action on global warming.
>>>>> Scientists,
>>>>> meanwhile, have continued to accumulate impressive data on the rising
>>>>> temperature
>>>>> of the oceans, which has produced more severe hurricanes.
>>>>>
>>>>> In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists, including 20
>>>>> Nobel laureates, warned in a statement, "Restoring Scientific
>>>>> Integrity in
>>>>> Policymaking": "Successful application of science has played a large
>>>>> part
>>>>> in the policies that have made the United States of America the
>>>>> world's
>>>>> most
>>>>> powerful nation and its citizens increasingly prosperous and healthy
>>>>> ...
>>>>> Indeed, this principle has long been adhered to by presidents and
>>>>> administrations
>>>>> of both parties in forming and implementing policies. The
>>>>> administration
>>>>> of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this principle ... The
>>>>> distortion
>>>>> of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease." Bush
>>>>> completely
>>>>> ignored this statement.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the two weeks preceding the storm in the Gulf, the trumping of
>>>>> science
>>>>> by ideology and expertise by special interests accelerated. The
>>>>> Federal
>>>>> Drug
>>>>> Administration announced that it was postponing sale of the
>>>>> morning-after
>>>>> contraceptive pill, despite overwhelming scientific evidence of its
>>>>> safety
>>>>> and its approval by the FDA's scientific advisory board. The United
>>>>> Nations
>>>>> special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush administration
>>>>> of
>>>>> responsibility
>>>>> for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's
>>>>> evangelical
>>>>> Christian agenda of "abstinence." When the chief of the Bureau of
>>>>> Justice
>>>>> Statistics in the Justice Department was ordered by the White House to
>>>>> delete
>>>>> its study that African-Americans and other minorities are subject to
>>>>> racial
>>>>> profiling in police traffic stops and he refused to buckle under, he
>>>>> was
>>>>> forced out of his job. When the Army Corps of Engineers' chief
>>>>> contracting
>>>>> oversight analyst objected to a $7 billion no-bid contract awarded for
>>>>> work
>>>>> in Iraq to Halliburton (the firm at which Vice President Cheney was
>>>>> formerly
>>>>> CEO), she was demoted despite her superior professional ratings. At
>>>>> the
>>>>> National
>>>>> Park Service, a former Cheney aide, a political appointee lacking
>>>>> professional
>>>>> background, drew up a plan to overturn past environmental practices
>>>>> and
>>>>> prohibit
>>>>> any mention of evolution while allowing sale of religious materials
>>>>> through
>>>>> the Park Service.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the day the levees burst in New Orleans, Bush delivered a speech in
>>>>> Colorado comparing the Iraq war to World War II and himself to
>>>>> Franklin D.
>>>>> Roosevelt: "And he knew that the best way to bring peace and stability
>>>>> to
>>>>> the region was by bringing freedom to Japan." Bush had boarded his
>>>>> very
>>>>> own
>>>>> "Streetcar Named Desire."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>I gotcha. I hear there are also physical switches you can buy to
>switch/pick your C: drive on bootup. I like the removeable trays myself.
Mmm... never heard of the physical switches. Interesting...
I doubt that either those or the trays would work with the way I'm running
things. I've got six bootable partitions, which are three each on two 250
Gig drives. I imagine both the trays and switches would only really work
if you had drives set up with just one bootable partition on them and only
needed to switch between drives.
I have always thought though that the trays are a really good solution, assuming
your drive/partition setup suits it. There is something reassuring about
knowing that your other boot isn't even in the machine. Of course on the
down side moving the drives about can't physically be so good for drive reliablilty.
Cheers,
Kim.Personally I treat these types of posts like a virus.
It infects the board and before you know it....
Oh crap!! I got it on me!!!!
I got go wash my hands!!!!
AAAAAaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
;-)
Dedric Terry <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>Anonymous posting of politically motivated website articles using every
>topic from the Iraq war to AIDs as to argue why the Bush administration
was
>responsible for not preventing the levee break isn't a well reasoned basis
>for a legitimate debate.
>
>in article 431769bb@linux, justcron at justcron@hydrorecords.compound wrote
>on 9/1/05 3:51 PM:
>
>> not really guys... shooting the messenger isn't a legit debate point,
>> although you did provide some additional info.
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
>> news:BF3CC2D2.4CB%dedric@echomg.com...
>>> Good call Tony.
>>>
>>> An Army Corp of Engineer rep said yesterday in an interview that it was
>>> years ago when the levee was inadequately designed. The reason - they
did
>>> a
>>> cost/benefit analysis and a more secure levee didn't make sense - I guess
>>> the probability of a Cat 5 hurricane was in the negligible range at the
>>> time, or they didn't know it would be that bad. Hindsight is always
>>> 20/20,
>>> especially for those that have nothing to do with planning beforehand...
>>>
>>> The levee is mostly porous rock and earth, not concrete and steel.
>>> Current
>>> federal funding had nothing to do with it - that was maintenance money
at
>>> best, not redesign. The engineer pretty much said there was nothing that
>>> could have been done to the levee short of rebuilding it from scratch
that
>>> would have stopped what happened.
>>>
>>> Please, troll, don't waste our time with politically motivated rantings.
>>> Placing blame is a complete waste of time, especially for people who
just
>>> lost everything in New Orleans, Louisiana and Mississippi. People posting
>>> rantings as a way to stick it to the administration are no better than
>>> price
>>> gouging hotels and gas station owners in Louisiana and Miss -
>>> opportunists,
>>> at best. The gulf coast is suffering enough, and our country needs to
>>> exercise a measure of respect and cohesiveness to resolve the energy
>>> crisis
>>> we may be facing.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> in article 43175704@linux, Tony Benson at t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a
m p
>>> t
>>> o n.c o m wrote on 9/1/05 2:31 PM:
>>>
>>>> Ok, everyone together now! TROLL!
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>> (yes, my real name and everything) ;>)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Time For a Revolution" <stickittobush@whitehouse.crap> wrote in message
>>>> news:43174564$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Bush on Good Moring America today....
>>>>>
>>>>> "Who would have thought the levee would have breached?"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "No One Can Say They Didn't See It Coming"
>>>>> By Sidney Blumenthal
>>>>> Salon.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Wednesday 31 August 2005
>>>>>
>>>>> In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one
of
>>>>> the
>>>>> three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration
cut
>>>>> New
>>>>> Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A New Orleans resident waded through floodwaters coated with a fine
>>>>> layer
>>>>> of oil in the flooded downtown area on Tuesday, August 30, 2005.
>>>>>
>>>>> Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has
left
>>>>> millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds
to
>>>>> thousands
>>>>> reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of
New
>>>>> Orleans
>>>>> has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the
>>>>> hurricane
>>>>> may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.
>>>>>
>>>>> A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New
>>>>> Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush
>>>>> administration
>>>>> ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six
>>>>> people
>>>>> in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control
>>>>> Project,
>>>>> in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and
>>>>> pumping
>>>>> stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued
>>>>> a
>>>>> report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the
>>>>> three
>>>>> most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on
New
>>>>> York
>>>>> City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project
>>>>> essentially
>>>>> dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush
>>>>> administration
>>>>> cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army
Corps
>>>>> of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more
>>>>> than
>>>>> 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total
>>>>> reduction
>>>>> in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district
>>>>> of
>>>>> the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding
funds
>>>>> for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.
>>>>>
>>>>> The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the hurricane published
>>>>> a series on the federal funding problem, and whose presses are now
>>>>> underwater,
>>>>> reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it coming ... Now
in
>>>>> the
>>>>> wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked
>>>>> about
>>>>> the lack of preparation."
>>>>>
>>>>> The Bush administration's policy of turning over wetlands to developers
>>>>> almost certainly also contributed to the heightened level of the storm
>>>>> surge.
>>>>> In 1990, a federal task force began restoring lost wetlands surrounding
>>>>> New
>>>>> Orleans. Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent City and the
>>>>> Gulf
>>>>> reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no net loss" of
>>>>> wetlands,
>>>>> a policy launched by his father's administration and bolstered by
>>>>> President
>>>>> Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003, unleashing the
>>>>> developers.
>>>>> The Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency
then
>>>>> announced they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were somehow
>>>>> related to interstate commerce.
>>>>>
>>>>> In response to this potential crisis, four leading environmental groups
>>>>> conducted a joint expert study, concluding in 2004 that without wetlands
>>>>> protection New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much less
a
>>>>> Category
>>>>> 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to describe how mindless a policy
>>>>> that
>>>>> is when it comes to wetlands protection," said one of the report's
>>>>> authors.
>>>>> The chairman of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality
>>>>> dismissed
>>>>> the study as "highly questionable," and boasted, "Everybody loves what
>>>>> we're
>>>>> doing."
>>>>>
>>>>> "My administration's climate change policy will be science based,"
>>>>> President
>>>>> Bush declared in June 2001. But in 2002, when the Environmental
>>>>> Protection
>>>>> Agency submitted a study on global warming to the United Nations
>>>>> reflecting
>>>>> its expert research, Bush derided it as "a report put out by a
>>>>> bureaucracy,"
>>>>> and excised the climate change assessment from the agency's annual
>>>>> report.
>>>>> The next year, when the EPA issued its first comprehensive "Report
on
>>>>> the
>>>>> Environment," stating, "Climate change has global consequences for
human
>>>>> health and the environment," the White House simply demanded removal
of
>>>>> the
>>>>> line and all similar conclusions. At the G-8 meeting in Scotland this
>>>>> year,
>>>>> Bush successfully stymied any common action on global warming.
>>>>> Scientists,
>>>>> meanwhile, have continued to accumulate impressive data on the rising
>>>>> temperature
>>>>> of the oceans, which has produced more severe hurricanes.
>>>>>
>>>>> In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists, including
20
>>>>> Nobel laureates, warned in a statement, "Restoring Scientific Integrity
>>>>> in
>>>>> Policymaking": "Successful application of science has played a large
>>>>> part
>>>>> in the policies that have made the United States of America the world's
>>>>> most
>>>>> powerful nation and its citizens increasingly prosperous and healthy
...
>>>>> Indeed, this principle has long been adhered to by presidents and
>>>>> administrations
>>>>> of both parties in forming and implementing policies. The administration
>>>>> of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this principle ... The
>>>>> distortion
>>>>> of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease." Bush
>>>>> completely
>>>>> ignored this statement.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the two weeks preceding the storm in the Gulf, the trumping of
>>>>> science
>>>>> by ideology and expertise by special interests accelerated. The Federal
>>>>> Drug
>>>>> Administration announced that it was postponing sale of the
>>>>> morning-after
>>>>> contraceptive pill, despite overwhelming scientific evidence of its
>>>>> safety
>>>>> and its approval by the FDA's scientific advisory board. The United
>>>>> Nations
>>>>> special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush administration
of
>>>>> responsibility
>>>>> for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's
>>>>> evangelical
>>>>> Christian agenda of "abstinence." When the chief of the Bureau of
>>>>> Justice
>>>>> Statistics in the Justice Department was ordered by the White House
to
>>>>> delete
>>>>> its study that African-Americans and other minorities are subject to
>>>>> racial
>>>>> profiling in police traffic stops and he refused to buckle under, he
was
>>>>> forced out of his job. When the Army Corps of Engineers' chief
>>>>> contracting
>>>>> oversight analyst objected to a $7 billion no-bid contract awarded
for
>>>>> work
>>>>> in Iraq to Halliburton (the firm at which Vice President Cheney was
>>>>> formerly
>>>>> CEO), she was demoted despite her superior professional ratings. At
the
>>>>> National
>>>>> Park Service, a former Cheney aide, a political appointee lacking
>>>>> professional
>>>>> background, drew up a plan to overturn past environmental practices
and
>>>>> prohibit
>>>>> any mention of evolution while allowing sale of religious materials
>>>>> through
>>>>> the Park Service.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the day the levees burst in New Orleans, Bush delivered a speech
in
>>>>> Colorado comparing the Iraq war to World War II and himself to Franklin
>>>>> D.
>>>>> Roosevelt: "And he knew that the best way to bring peace and stability
>>>>> to
>>>>> the region was by bringing freedom to Japan." Bush had boarded his
very
>>>>> own
>>>>> "Streetcar Named Desire."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>She's runnin' BEAUT!! :o)
Last night I got Paris and all my standard plugins loaded. Had a couple of
issues breifly where I hadn't restarted after installing some DX plugins
which the system didn't like much. Once I got that resolved it seemed to
work perfectly. I didn't give Paris a really lengthy test though, but had
a listen to a few projects... engaged and disengaged some plugins. Seemed
solid, and very quick. Extremely usable.
And my favourite test of "snappyness" of all, on boot, when the black Windows
screen with the blue Knight Rider bar comes up, the blue bar travels from
left to right a grand total of ONCE! :o) In bootup, the machine spends far
longer getting it's BIOS organised than it does booting Windows.
Also, I remembered the old Aaron Allen tweak of putting a "Prefetch.bat"
in startup which has the line "del C:\Windows\Prefetch\*.* /q" and hence
clears the Windows prefetch. That actually sped up the boot process from
about 4 knightrider bars to just the one.
Made a ghost. Now I'm ready to move on to loading the general Audio Apps
boot, which will involve starting from the Paris Only boot, and adding Cubase
and Reason. I'll have to buy the BFD one day soon too...
Cheers,
Kim.I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I am
stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every anti-industry
viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I do question
both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might discover that
I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the least
dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the middle that
looks reasonable to me.
"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message news:43174724$1@linux...
>
> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just reinforced the
stereotype
> of someone who works in the industry.
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >
> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new White House
> >sponsored
> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to reduce
> >America's
> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global warming, fails
> to
> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy, and fails to help
> >consumers
> >> at the gas pump.
> >> What it did do includes:
> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their construction
> >activities
> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of oil per day in
> >2014
> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry. (Who are all
> >showing
> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest giveaway of all
> >time.)
> >>
> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to list but my
> >personal
> >> favorites are:
> >>
> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to compensate
> for
> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which studies have
> >concluded
> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will give you $800
> >million
> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has considerable
> >holdings
> >> in one of the companies.
> >
> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby *insisted* on the
> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain emissions levels. It
> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns out it was
bad
> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when they only did
> it
> >because it was federally mandated.
> >
> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge, but also
similar
> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney family has
> >future
> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
> >
> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern slope of
the
> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right outside of
Glacier
> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The fact that
Cheney
> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney, but he's
from
> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four generations ago just
> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas prices.
> >
> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with him before.
> If
> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good thing to get to
> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its the
Halliburton
> >thing, right?
> >
> >>
> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business you would
> have
> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its energy
> >efficiency.
> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a business,
you
> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the IRS.
(Public
> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
> >
> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree huggers. (Just a
> >little perspective)
> >
> >;o)
> >>
> >> Gene
> >>
> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our absolute
> >reliance
> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are negatively
> >effected
> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us to the
large
> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick diplomacy.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the road.
> >>
> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea that we
must
> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy suppliers to
> help
> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This will help
make
> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we completely
> >run
> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health issues
and
> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this already
> >started.
> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy
independence,
> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually cares more
about
> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
> >> Gene
> >>
> >
> >
>> The environmentalists got onboard with MTBE because the additive companies
> presented the information on the positive impact, while covering up known
> problems with cancer and ground pollution.
Gene......with all due respect to you, I know quite a few environmental
activists and not a single one would *get onboard* something like this and
take the additive companies at their word on anything.. This is finger
pointing spin. Consider the source. I'm not saying that MTBE is a good thing
and that the money. The fact that it's the California State legislature,
arguably the most corrupt and partisan outside of New York and Texas, I'd
say there is plenty of room to question the source.
"gene lennon" <genelennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:43174f9e$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby *insisted* on the
> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain emissions levels. It
> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns out it was
bad
> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when they only did
> it
> >because it was federally mandated.
> >
> This may be true but it is an interesting perspective on the history.
> The environmentalists got onboard with MTBE because the additive companies
> presented the information on the positive impact, while covering up known
> problems with cancer and ground pollution.
> This was well documented in a California study funded by the California
state
> legislature.
> Naturally when presented with studies that showed significant improvement
> in air quality, most pro environmental groups signed on.
> When the full truth came out, the oil industry backed by the first Bush
White
> House and conservative members of congress (can you say Tom DeLay) did
everything
> in their power to hide the facts, and then block efforts to remove the
MTBE.
> Now the $800 Million bonus for lying to us, and poisoning us.
> It is quite an interesting twist to blame this on the environmental
movement.
> GeneOn Thu, 1 Sep 2005 11:05:55 -0700, "Doug Wellington"
<doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote:
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I've just bought these 2 x 250Gig drives. Plus my old 120Gig is still in
>> the box, in addition to my old old 27Gig... all up that's... err...
>> 647Gig!
>>
>> Surely somebody here has a terrabyte in their Paris box? :o)
>
>Heehee, OK:
>
>Mac dual 800 G4, 160 GB system/apps disk, 250 GB internal data disk, three
>250 GB Firewire drives for sound libraries. 1160 GB or so on just that one
>computer. :-) (Pretty soon, I'm going to give in and put together a couple
>rack mount pcs for the orchestral libraries...)
You win. I'm taking my dual 1GHz Quicksilver and going home.
pabAwesome. I've always heard about Lindy Fralin.
With the Fralin pickups, how does a techy route out a hole for the bridge
pickup? That pickup is set into the metal plate that the bridge is mounted
on.
It makes me wonder if I could install the Kinman pickups myself, being
moderately handy. Is there welding invovled?
Are the Fralin pickups that much better than the Kinmans?
Jimmy
"DC" <dc@turnthatdown.org> wrote in message news:43177467$1@linux...
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >2.What are my options for replacing one or both pickups in my Telecaster
> >with humbuckers? I love the way my guitar sounds, and wouldn't want to
> >necessarily change the sound itself, but I sure would love to kill the
> >noise...
>
> These pickups *kill* and are dead silent. Not fake single coil sound,
> but the best, clear single coil sound I've ever heard, despite being
> dead silent.
>
> http://www.fralinpickups.com/humbuckers.asp#p92
>
> I use the "Twangmaster" and love it. It's 2 coils, but each coil is
> only covering 3 strings. That way the coils can be in series, so you
> get the silence of a HB, but because only 1 coil picks up each
> string, you get the sound of a single.
>
> Another option, if you want something to go in the standard cutout
> is Chris Kinman's stuff.
>
> http://www.kinman.com
>
> His Tele pickups are very quiet and sound terrific, and don't require
> cutting any larger openings in anything. He's an Aussie, but his
> pickups sound like Fullerton (or maybe Memphis) if you know
> what I mean.
>
> Inside Paris, sometimes I simply go around editing out the spaces
> between guitar parts to get the hum out if I just have to use
> a guitar with a buzzy pickup on it. Lot's of work, but effective
> unless the guitar is clean, and mixed way up front.
>
> DC
>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Awesome. I've always heard about Lindy Fralin.
Nice guy and what an ear.
>With the Fralin pickups, how does a techy route out a hole for the bridge
>pickup? That pickup is set into the metal plate that the bridge is mounted
>on.
You have to get it machined or buy one for a HB.
>It makes me wonder if I could install the Kinman pickups myself, being
>moderately handy. Is there welding invovled?
Soldering. As long as you have a fine tip iron and the right solder,
no sweat.
>Are the Fralin pickups that much better than the Kinmans?
Can't say that. Kinman's stuff is gorgeous sounding. Every
time I stop by his booth at NAMM his pickups knock me out.
I just love the Twangmaster, but if you want to try the no-mod
way, it would be an easier install to get a Kinman.
DC
>
>Jimmy
>
>"DC" <dc@turnthatdown.org> wrote in message news:43177467$1@linux...
>>
>> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> >2.What are my options for replacing one or both pickups in my Telecaster
>> >with humbuckers? I love the way my guitar sounds, and wouldn't want to
>> >necessarily change the sound itself, but I sure would love to kill the
>> >noise...
>>
>> These pickups *kill* and are dead silent. Not fake single coil sound,
>> but the best, clear single coil sound I've ever heard, despite being
>> dead silent.
>>
>> http://www.fralinpickups.com/humbuckers.asp#p92
>>
>> I use the "Twangmaster" and love it. It's 2 coils, but each coil is
>> only covering 3 strings. That way the coils can be in series, so you
>> get the silence of a HB, but because only 1 coil picks up each
>> string, you get the sound of a single.
>>
>> Another option, if you want something to go in the standard cutout
>> is Chris Kinman's stuff.
>>
>> http://www.kinman.com
>>
>> His Tele pickups are very quiet and sound terrific, and don't require
>> cutting any larger openings in anything. He's an Aussie, but his
>> pickups sound like Fullerton (or maybe Memphis) if you know
>> what I mean.
>>
>> Inside Paris, sometimes I simply go around editing out the spaces
>> between guitar parts to get the hum out if I just have to use
>> a guitar with a buzzy pickup on it. Lot's of work, but effective
>> unless the guitar is clean, and mixed way up front.
>>
>> DC
>>
>
>Rock on, DC.
Jimmy
"DC" <dc@spaninacan.net> wrote in message news:4317aae2$1@linux...
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >Awesome. I've always heard about Lindy Fralin.
>
> Nice guy and what an ear.
>
>
> >With the Fralin pickups, how does a techy route out a hole for the bridge
> >pickup? That pickup is set into the metal plate that the bridge is
mounted
> >on.
>
> You have to get it machined or buy one for a HB.
>
>
> >It makes me wonder if I could install the Kinman pickups myself, being
> >moderately handy. Is there welding invovled?
>
> Soldering. As long as you have a fine tip iron and the right solder,
> no sweat.
>
>
> >Are the Fralin pickups that much better than the Kinmans?
>
> Can't say that. Kinman's stuff is gorgeous sounding. Every
> time I stop by his booth at NAMM his pickups knock me out.
>
> I just love the Twangmaster, but if you want to try the no-mod
> way, it would be an easier install to get a Kinman.
>
> DC
>
> >
> >Jimmy
> >
> >"DC" <dc@turnthatdown.org> wrote in message news:43177467$1@linux...
> >>
> >> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >2.What are my options for replacing one or both pickups in my
Telecaster
> >> >with humbuckers? I love the way my guitar sounds, and wouldn't want to
> >> >necessarily change the sound itself, but I sure would love to kill the
> >> >noise...
> >>
> >> These pickups *kill* and are dead silent. Not fake single coil sound,
> >> but the best, clear single coil sound I've ever heard, despite being
> >> dead silent.
> >>
> >> http://www.fralinpickups.com/humbuckers.asp#p92
> >>
> >> I use the "Twangmaster" and love it. It's 2 coils, but each coil is
> >> only covering 3 strings. That way the coils can be in series, so you
> >> get the silence of a HB, but because only 1 coil picks up each
> >> string, you get the sound of a single.
> >>
> >> Another option, if you want something to go in the standard cutout
> >> is Chris Kinman's stuff.
> >>
> >> http://www.kinman.com
> >>
> >> His Tele pickups are very quiet and sound terrific, and don't require
> >> cutting any larger openings in anything. He's an Aussie, but his
> >> pickups sound like Fullerton (or maybe Memphis) if you know
> >> what I mean.
> >>
> >> Inside Paris, sometimes I simply go around editing out the spaces
> >> between guitar parts to get the hum out if I just have to use
> >> a guitar with a buzzy pickup on it. Lot's of work, but effective
> >> unless the guitar is clean, and mixed way up front.
> >>
> >> DC
> >>
> >
> >
>It runs just fine. You need to wrap the plugs with something like the fxpansion
wrapper so paris can see them as DX plugs...but other than that it's great.
Rod
"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote:
>How does the UAD-1 Project pack card run with PARIS and XP system? Any
>success/failure comments?...
>
> http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/04/28_st eilm_e86sales/
It sure could make farming a lucrative occupation again...What the fuck is going on? Why is this thing getting so bad?
Is this the best we can do?
I don't know what to say, but I feel compelled to scream.If you're talking about New Orleans, it's because the disaster event isn't
over yet. The flood is still happening.
IOf you're talking about everything else that's happening in the
world.....it's because of France.
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4317d003@linux...
> What the fuck is going on? Why is this thing getting so bad?
>
> Is this the best we can do?
>
> I don't know what to say, but I feel compelled to scream.
>
>I don't mean to sound like I'm saying I told you so, but scientists have
been telling us the weather will get more severe for years due to global
warming...
This August, here in Melbourne, half way through the month we were told we
were headed for the warmest August ever, then suddenly in week 3 Melbourne
experienced the coldest August day since the 70's, then suddenly it went
warm again.
All this stuff is no coincedence.
People who wont even sign KYOTO, which in itself goes nowhere near far enough,
make me want to scream, for exactly the reason we're now seeing. Frustrating
as hell.
Cheers,
Kim.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>If you're talking about New Orleans, it's because the disaster event isn't
>over yet. The flood is still happening.
>
>IOf you're talking about everything else that's happening in the
>world.....it's because of France.
>
>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:4317d003@linux...
>> What the fuck is going on? Why is this thing getting so bad?
>>
>> Is this the best we can do?
>>
>> I don't know what to say, but I feel compelled to scream.
>>
>>
>
>I can't beleive you included feedback as a bad thing! ;o)
Here in Australia we've totally irradicated 60Hz hum from all audio...
....our power runs at 50Hz... ;oP ...ok, sorry for wasting your time on
that one, I'll go stand in the corner... ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>If Robert Plant likes to use a phaser on vox tracks, then I think we all
>should. Think how much easier mixing would be if stuff like phasing, DC
>offset, 60Hz hum, feedback, midi slop, overcompression
>sample rate errors, digital overs and 200Hz mud and was cool.........
>.............uhhhhhhhhh.........well, now come to think of it, maybe I've
>heard lots of this in records that went platinum recently.
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:0redh1pvh8upo7ic7lllnup9vc7d59f13u@4ax.com...
>> you're phasing.
>>
>> On 1 Sep 2005 16:39:11 +1000, "Dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >My problem (well, one of the lesser ones anyway):
>> >
>> > I used mild EDS compresion (in the Aux) to tame the loud
>> > parts of a vocal track, and now it sounds like it's sung thru a
>> > toilet paper tube (a rather large one). Is this possibly an issue
>> > due to mixing both compressed / uncompressed signals? If so, is
>> > it somehow normal procedure to insert the compression into the
>> > signal chain? If that's possible, it seems like that would make
>> > more sense rather than blending wet/dry signal in the aux.
>> >
>> > I recorded live tracks (piano, voice, cello, flute) together
>> > in one room, so since there's bleed-through, I'm not sure if
>> > doing that latency dance thing I've read about is an option.
>> >
>> > I'm only pretending to be an engineer, so detailed, third-
>> >grade level directions would be much appreciated.
>> >
>> >TIA,
>> >
>> >Dale
>>
>
>Man, I've had it with this crap. I've had two TL Audio Indigo processors in
my rack for many years. Either/both of them will work just fine for a while
and then just start distorting like crazy.......or stop passing signal form
an output, or a pot will fail, not just get scratchy....totally fail. I've
opened these up, replaced IC's, resistors, caps, tubes, sent the EQ to an
authorized repair facility (worked fine after that for about 6 months, then
started having the same issues), you name it.
When they are working, they sound very nice and that's why I have kept them
and babied them along, but I just can't put up with this unreliable garbage
any more. They are worthless to me if I can't depend on them.
I'm thinking about selling them *as is* with a truthful statement about
their condition, but I might also just enjoy the hell out of video taped
sledge hammering or maybe a target practice session with these as the
target. I could send the pics to Fletcher so he can put this up alongside
the dead Mackie mixer and ADAT shit on a stick memorial. I recall posts
indicating that he has no love for this product either.
I did own a couple of PA2 preamps a while back that sounded darned good. I
sold them in good condition. I hope they aren't acting like these old Indigo
series processors now.
;o(Why not hit them with a sldge hammer and THEN try and sell them on ebay?
If you include photos at least you'll get a laugh. :o)
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Man, I've had it with this crap. I've had two TL Audio Indigo processors
in
>my rack for many years. Either/both of them will work just fine for a while
>and then just start distorting like crazy.......or stop passing signal form
>an output, or a pot will fail, not just get scratchy....totally fail. I've
>opened these up, replaced IC's, resistors, caps, tubes, sent the EQ to an
>authorized repair facility (worked fine after that for about 6 months, then
>started having the same issues), you name it.
>
>When they are working, they sound very nice and that's why I have kept them
>and babied them along, but I just can't put up with this unreliable garbage
>any more. They are worthless to me if I can't depend on them.
>
>I'm thinking about selling them *as is* with a truthful statement about
>their condition, but I might also just enjoy the hell out of video taped
>sledge hammering or maybe a target practice session with these as the
>target. I could send the pics to Fletcher so he can put this up alongside
>the dead Mackie mixer and ADAT shit on a stick memorial. I recall posts
>indicating that he has no love for this product either.
>
>I did own a couple of PA2 preamps a while back that sounded darned good.
I
>sold them in good condition. I hope they aren't acting like these old Indigo
>series processors now.
>
>;o(
>
>Hehe... sorry, couldn't resist...
....and it is kinda probably true really...Kim,
No disrespect to you but what a crock to conclude that a Cat5 'cane has
anything to do with GW or global warming/cooling. Weather gets more severe
because that's what heavy weather does. Records get broken, storms get
smaller and storms get bigger. High jumpers jump higher, sales records get
smashed, TV's get bigger/better, audio players get smaller, moles come and
moles go.
The recent killer tsunami in Indonesia - KYOTO just didn't get inked fast
enough and so - BOOM - nuther big ass . When folks taut this kind of
simplistic, meteorlogically illiterate conclusions, it hastens the notion
that "the simple go their way and are punished" for their ignorance. When
the weatherman, with all his pinpoint-double-doppler exclusive
super-hootie-NOAA-assisted-block-by-block-accuweather-can more accurately
predict inside a 12-hour apperature of time, the myopic scientific types
might get a nod from me. I wish it were so simple a matter as each of us
cherry picking one article from a magazine or newspaper of our choosing,
proclaiming that to be "the last word."
Half-asleep,
Dubya
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4317d848$1@linux...
>
>
> I don't mean to sound like I'm saying I told you so, but scientists have
> been telling us the weather will get more severe for years due to global
> warming...
>
> This August, here in Melbourne, half way through the month we were told we
> were headed for the warmest August ever, then suddenly in week 3 Melbourne
> experienced the coldest August day since the 70's, then suddenly it went
> warm again.
>
> All this stuff is no coincedence.
>
> People who wont even sign KYOTO, which in itself goes nowhere near far
> enough,
> make me want to scream, for exactly the reason we're now seeing.
> Frustrating
> as hell.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>If you're talking about New Orleans, it's because the disaster event isn't
>>over yet. The flood is still happening.
>>
>>IOf you're talking about everything else that's happening in the
>>world.....it's because of France.
>>
>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>news:4317d003@linux...
>>> What the fuck is going on? Why is this thing getting so bad?
>>>
>>> Is this the best we can do?
>>>
>>> I don't know what to say, but I feel compelled to scream.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Hi,
I suggest looking at the power supply.
When it distorts just measure the voltage at any chip to see what it gets.
Maybe the transformer does not output anymore (or was never) the right
power.
Try putting a new better bigger transformer.
I guess it is worth trying.
Regards,
Dimitrios
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4317e79e$1@linux...
> Man, I've had it with this crap. I've had two TL Audio Indigo processors
in
> my rack for many years. Either/both of them will work just fine for a
while
> and then just start distorting like crazy.......or stop passing signal
form
> an output, or a pot will fail, not just get scratchy....totally fail. I've
> opened these up, replaced IC's, resistors, caps, tubes, sent the EQ to an
> authorized repair facility (worked fine after that for about 6 months,
then
> started having the same issues), you name it.
>
> When they are working, they sound very nice and that's why I have kept
them
> and babied them along, but I just can't put up with this unreliable
garbage
> any more. They are worthless to me if I can't depend on them.
>
> I'm thinking about selling them *as is* with a truthful statement about
> their condition, but I might also just enjoy the hell out of video taped
> sledge hammering or maybe a target practice session with these as the
> target. I could send the pics to Fletcher so he can put this up alongside
> the dead Mackie mixer and ADAT shit on a stick memorial. I recall posts
> indicating that he has no love for this product either.
>
> I did own a couple of PA2 preamps a while back that sounded darned good. I
> sold them in good condition. I hope they aren't acting like these old
Indigo
> series processors now.
>
> ;o(
>
>Hi,
After some good tries I came up with a paris wormhole version.
There is one specific version (which Adrian from wormhole has tailored to
our needs) that will work best with Paris.
It works under Me and I can have at least 8 tracks of fully synced audio
tracks coming from second computer via lan.
You have to use though console wrapper as it is the only yet that sends
syncing information.
I wanna know when I finally test this baby that he will get some support
from us.
We have to buy some of us (I have already) ) to justify all his extra
efforts he made for us.
It is cheap anyway...
Please respond with some positive interest in buying.
Afterall you will get fuller versions with updates for other systems that
work great along with Paris version.
Come on guys we don't expect people to work for us and have nothing for
return...
This way we may keep Paris alive for years (I hope) to come...
Regards,
Dimitrios"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote:
>No disrespect to you but what a crock to conclude that a Cat5 'cane has
>anything to do with GW or global warming/cooling.
Well, no disrespect to you, but when I hear ten years of talk about how weather
will get more severe and more extreme, and when I look at weather in my own
city, and not only notice the changes, but also hear constant news reports
confirming that we're hitting more extremes more often, well it leads me
to the natural conclusion that maybe, just maybe, all those scientists who
claimed for years that we should expect worse hurricanes, well maybe they
were right.
You're right in the simple example that one cat5 does not a global warming
link make. And records, one would expect, will be broken from time to time
anyhow.
Personally I start to think something is amiss though when I hear "Warmest
[month x] on record" every couple of months. I don't expect to change your
mind Mark, as I've learned that Don C is pretty much dead on when he says
nobody ever changes their minds in these discussions. None the less, every
time global warming comes up on this NG I always have a record to resite
for my home city for the current day, week, or month, and it's more often
than not something like it was this time...
OK. Let me tell you some stats:
This year, for Melbourne, where I live...
2004 was the 4th warmest year on record. We finished off 2004 with the wettest
end to a year ever. Then had the coldest February (summer) day on record
which included the highest rainfall ever in the city by a factor of 20%,
which was 3 times the average MONTHLY rainfall ALL IN A SINGLE DAY. The coldest
February since 1954. Wettest February since 1973. Driest Autumn since 1900
since records (1900) for the state. Warmest autumn since 1950. (Autumn here
being Mar, Apr, May of course).
Meanwhile July's minimum temps were the (equal) warmest on record.
We started August by being told 2 weeks in that averages were warmer than
any August on record. Then week 3 I got snowed on in Ringwood. It doesn't
snow in Ringwood, period. It was the coldest August day since the 70's. The
most extreme August since, oh I don't remember...
Sorry dude. I can see where you're coming from, but honestly, where I'm sitting,
things just aren't normal. And more and more people are saying it...
Cheers,
Kim.Hmm, it's only $50US... I'm very tempted. ;o)
What's the cost of this Console wrapper. Did a quick google. I take it this
is it at $54...
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/267.html ?
So it's $104US for the whole shebang. Not too shabby at all...
I have been, in my mental peripheral vision, partly aware that you've been
working on this. It does sound interesting. I don't mean to be a pain, but
could you take us through exactly what you've acheived here? Why Console?
Are you running VSTi's in Cubase on another box over the LAN interfacing
back to Paris? I read talk somewhere that Console can clock to MIDI...?
What exactly are you able to do with this setup?
Cheers,
Kim.
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>Hi,
>After some good tries I came up with a paris wormhole version.
>There is one specific version (which Adrian from wormhole has tailored to
>our needs) that will work best with Paris.
>It works under Me and I can have at least 8 tracks of fully synced audio
>tracks coming from second computer via lan.
>You have to use though console wrapper as it is the only yet that sends
>syncing information.
>I wanna know when I finally test this baby that he will get some support
>from us.
>We have to buy some of us (I have already) ) to justify all his extra
>efforts he made for us.
>It is cheap anyway...
>Please respond with some positive interest in buying.
>Afterall you will get fuller versions with updates for other systems that
>work great along with Paris version.
>Come on guys we don't expect people to work for us and have nothing for
>return...
>This way we may keep Paris alive for years (I hope) to come...
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>"perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I see and
seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me." kinda
sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes the
norm.
:o(
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I am
>stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every anti-industry
>viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I do question
>both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might discover that
>I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the least
>dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the middle that
>looks reasonable to me.
>
>"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message news:43174724$1@linux...
>>
>> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just reinforced the
>stereotype
>> of someone who works in the industry.
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new White House
>> >sponsored
>> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to reduce
>> >America's
>> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global warming, fails
>> to
>> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy, and fails to help
>> >consumers
>> >> at the gas pump.
>> >> What it did do includes:
>> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their construction
>> >activities
>> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
>> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of oil per day in
>> >2014
>> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
>> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry. (Who are all
>> >showing
>> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
>> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest giveaway of all
>> >time.)
>> >>
>> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to list but my
>> >personal
>> >> favorites are:
>> >>
>> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to compensate
>> for
>> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which studies have
>> >concluded
>> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
>> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will give you $800
>> >million
>> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has considerable
>> >holdings
>> >> in one of the companies.
>> >
>> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby *insisted* on the
>> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain emissions levels. It
>> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns out it was
>bad
>> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when they only did
>> it
>> >because it was federally mandated.
>> >
>> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge, but also
>similar
>> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney family has
>> >future
>> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
>> >
>> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern slope of
>the
>> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right outside of
>Glacier
>> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The fact that
>Cheney
>> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney, but he's
>from
>> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four generations ago just
>> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas prices.
>> >
>> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with him before.
>> If
>> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good thing to get to
>> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its the
>Halliburton
>> >thing, right?
>> >
>> >>
>> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business you would
>> have
>> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its energy
>> >efficiency.
>> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a business,
>you
>> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the IRS.
>(Public
>> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
>> >
>> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree huggers. (Just a
>> >little perspective)
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >>
>> >> Gene
>> >>
>> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our absolute
>> >reliance
>> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are negatively
>> >effected
>> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us to the
>large
>> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick diplomacy.
>> >>
>> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the road.
>> >>
>> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea that we
>must
>> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy suppliers to
>> help
>> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This will help
>make
>> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we completely
>> >run
>> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health issues
>and
>> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this already
>> >started.
>> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy
>independence,
>> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
>> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually cares more
>about
>> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
>> >> Gene
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>Because it takes more money to grow corn, water it, fertilize it with
pesticides, harvest it with gas guzzling harvesting machines, haul it to
market in gas guzzling trucks and refine it with expensive natural gas or
coal fired processing equipment and the process itself produces high levels
of carbon monoxide, as well as what are known as Volatile Organic Compounds
or VOCs. VOCs included formaldehyde and acetaldehyde, both of which are
known to cause cancer in animals.
Also, vehicles that use ethanol are marginally less fuel efficient that
those who run regular gasoline, though I don't think this particular aspect
of it would stop me, personally, if it was a dollar less per gallon.
The economics have changed now due to the fact that we no longer have the
refining capacity in this country or the oil production capability to keep
gas cheap any more and even if we started right now, we are 10 years
out........so now agribusiness is going to get the pork in the energy
budget. It's not going to help the family farmer much at all comparatively
speaking, unless he's got enough acreage to grow *lots* of corn......in
which case he will be an evil agribusinessman.
In 1997, the GAO issued a report that concluded that the ethanol subsidy
cost the federal treasury more than $7 billion since 1979 - more than $600
million in 1995 alone." the mega-giant corporation Archer Daniels Midland
stands accused of being the recipient of this vast corporate welfare scheme.
This ain't organic corn we're talking about either so it's going to get
hosed with chemical pesticides, big time, to keep yields high and, like the
MTBE's, this will leach into the water table.
Cool huh?
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4317eadc@linux...
>
>
> Hehe... sorry, couldn't resist...
>
> ...and it is kinda probably true really...I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The middle would
work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly acknowledge
and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as serious as
WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you can't fight a
war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you first
acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
> "perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I see and
> seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me." kinda
> sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes the
> norm.
>
> :o(
>
> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I am
> >stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every anti-industry
> >viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I do question
> >both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might discover
that
> >I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the least
> >dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the middle
that
> >looks reasonable to me.
> >
> >"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message news:43174724$1@linux...
> >>
> >> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just reinforced the
> >stereotype
> >> of someone who works in the industry.
> >>
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new White
House
> >> >sponsored
> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to reduce
> >> >America's
> >> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global warming,
fails
> >> to
> >> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy, and fails to
help
> >> >consumers
> >> >> at the gas pump.
> >> >> What it did do includes:
> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
construction
> >> >activities
> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of oil per day
in
> >> >2014
> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry. (Who are
all
> >> >showing
> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest giveaway of
all
> >> >time.)
> >> >>
> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to list but my
> >> >personal
> >> >> favorites are:
> >> >>
> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to
compensate
> >> for
> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which studies have
> >> >concluded
> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will give you
$800
> >> >million
> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has considerable
> >> >holdings
> >> >> in one of the companies.
> >> >
> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby *insisted* on
the
> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain emissions levels.
It
> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns out it was
> >bad
> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when they only
did
> >> it
> >> >because it was federally mandated.
> >> >
> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge, but also
> >similar
> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney family
has
> >> >future
> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
> >> >
> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern slope of
> >the
> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right outside of
> >Glacier
> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The fact that
> >Cheney
> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney, but he's
> >from
> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four generations ago
just
> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas prices.
> >> >
> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with him
before.
> >> If
> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good thing to get
to
> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its the
> >Halliburton
> >> >thing, right?
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business you
would
> >> have
> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its energy
> >> >efficiency.
> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a business,
> >you
> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the IRS.
> >(Public
> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
> >> >
> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree huggers. (Just
a
> >> >little perspective)
> >> >
> >> >;o)
> >> >>
> >> >> Gene
> >> >>
> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our
absolute
> >> >reliance
> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are negatively
> >> >effected
> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us to the
> >large
> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick diplomacy.
> >> >>
> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the road.
> >> >>
> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea that we
> >must
> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy suppliers
to
> >> help
> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This will help
> >make
> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we
completely
> >> >run
> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health issues
> >and
> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this already
> >> >started.
> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy
> >independence,
> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually cares more
> >about
> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
> >> >> Gene
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>i don't think moving drives makes any change in reliability
Kim wrote:
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>>I gotcha. I hear there are also physical switches you can buy to
>>switch/pick your C: drive on bootup. I like the removeable trays myself.
>
>
> Mmm... never heard of the physical switches. Interesting...
>
> I doubt that either those or the trays would work with the way I'm running
> things. I've got six bootable partitions, which are three each on two 250
> Gig drives. I imagine both the trays and switches would only really work
> if you had drives set up with just one bootable partition on them and only
> needed to switch between drives.
>
> I have always thought though that the trays are a really good solution, assuming
> your drive/partition setup suits it. There is something reassuring about
> knowing that your other boot isn't even in the machine. Of course on the
> down side moving the drives about can't physically be so good for drive reliablilty.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim."fertilize it with pesticides"
hehe what are you a lobbyist? :)Warmer ocean temps mean more severe and frequent huricanes. Even a few degrees
makes a difference.
"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote:
>Kim,
>
>No disrespect to you but what a crock to conclude that a Cat5 'cane has
>anything to do with GW or global warming/cooling. Weather gets more severe
>because that's what heavy weather does. Records get broken, storms get
>smaller and storms get bigger. High jumpers jump higher, sales records
get
>smashed, TV's get bigger/better, audio players get smaller, moles come and
>moles go.
>
>The recent killer tsunami in Indonesia - KYOTO just didn't get inked fast
>enough and so - BOOM - nuther big ass . When folks taut this kind of
>simplistic, meteorlogically illiterate conclusions, it hastens the notion
>that "the simple go their way and are punished" for their ignorance. When
>the weatherman, with all his pinpoint-double-doppler exclusive
>super-hootie-NOAA-assisted-block-by-block-accuweather-can more accurately
>predict inside a 12-hour apperature of time, the myopic scientific types
>might get a nod from me. I wish it were so simple a matter as each of us
>cherry picking one article from a magazine or newspaper of our choosing,
>proclaiming that to be "the last word."
>
>Half-asleep,
>Dubya
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4317d848$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> I don't mean to sound like I'm saying I told you so, but scientists have
>> been telling us the weather will get more severe for years due to global
>> warming...
>>
>> This August, here in Melbourne, half way through the month we were told
we
>> were headed for the warmest August ever, then suddenly in week 3 Melbourne
>> experienced the coldest August day since the 70's, then suddenly it went
>> warm again.
>>
>> All this stuff is no coincedence.
>>
>> People who wont even sign KYOTO, which in itself goes nowhere near far
>> enough,
>> make me want to scream, for exactly the reason we're now seeing.
>> Frustrating
>> as hell.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>If you're talking about New Orleans, it's because the disaster event isn't
>>>over yet. The flood is still happening.
>>>
>>>IOf you're talking about everything else that's happening in the
>>>world.....it's because of France.
>>>
>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>news:4317d003@linux...
>>>> What the fuck is going on? Why is this thing getting so bad?
>>>>
>>>> Is this the best we can do?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what to say, but I feel compelled to scream.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Not too long ago, people wouldn't have known exactly how bad the storm would
be with enough time to evacuate. Now we have near real time satellite
images... probably saved a lot of lives.Yikes! I actually said that didn't I? I meant *fertilize it and apply
pesticides*, though with the way things are done these days, it's likely a
simultaneous process anyway......which is even scarier.
;oP
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
news:431846c0@linux...
> "fertilize it with pesticides"
>
> hehe what are you a lobbyist? :)
>
>"Chris Latham" <latham_c@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/04/28_st eilm_e86sales/
>
>It sure could make farming a lucrative occupation again...
Ethanol is heavily-subsidized, that price doesn't reflect the
true market conditions if everyone in the country (or even a
good chunk of it) were to switch to ethanol... we'd still be
paying more for it than the price shown, it's just that we'd be
paying for with taxes instead of at the pump itself.
Neil
it's the time of year
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> it's going to get
>hosed with chemical pesticides, big time, to keep yields high and, like
the
>MTBE's, this will leach into the water table.
>
>Cool huh?
Fair point...
.... that PLUS it pollutes the air like oil...
....not sounding so good really.
Cheers,
Kim.John <no@no.com> wrote:
>i don't think moving drives makes any change in reliability
Yeh, I'm not so sure. From what I've heard moving drives doesn't help. In
fact I had my main Paris hdd die back in 99-00 sometime when I was moving
house. Moving the computer killed the drive. Was working perfectly when I
left. Error city once I got to the new place. No co-incidence. Yes drive
technology has improved a little, but I'd bet on a drive which stayed still
above one which experienced constant moves any time.
Cheers,
Kim."DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>though with the way things are done these days, it's likely a
>simultaneous process anyway......which is even scarier.
>
Indeed... ;oP
Cheers,
Kim.How do u do a prefetch bat??? I'm intrigued as my puter is slow at the
moment, and anything to speed the boot would be good. excuse my ignorance
for a needy example..
Russ
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43178d31$1@linux...
>
>
> She's runnin' BEAUT!! :o)
>
> Last night I got Paris and all my standard plugins loaded. Had a couple of
> issues breifly where I hadn't restarted after installing some DX plugins
> which the system didn't like much. Once I got that resolved it seemed to
> work perfectly. I didn't give Paris a really lengthy test though, but had
> a listen to a few projects... engaged and disengaged some plugins. Seemed
> solid, and very quick. Extremely usable.
>
> And my favourite test of "snappyness" of all, on boot, when the black
> Windows
> screen with the blue Knight Rider bar comes up, the blue bar travels from
> left to right a grand total of ONCE! :o) In bootup, the machine spends far
> longer getting it's BIOS organised than it does booting Windows.
>
> Also, I remembered the old Aaron Allen tweak of putting a "Prefetch.bat"
> in startup which has the line "del C:\Windows\Prefetch\*.* /q" and hence
> clears the Windows prefetch. That actually sped up the boot process from
> about 4 knightrider bars to just the one.
>
> Made a ghost. Now I'm ready to move on to loading the general Audio Apps
> boot, which will involve starting from the Paris Only boot, and adding
> Cubase
> and Reason. I'll have to buy the BFD one day soon too...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.I am not out to change anyone's mind, but I have done my own research on
climate. With my understanding of cyclical world climate changes,
understanding of the gulf stream mechanism, as well as the scope of
naturally occurring co2, I am confident that the earth has a tendency to
keep itself in balance, even if that means shedding off certain species
(including us). The earth doesn't need our help. It's been doing fine for a
few billion years.
I think it's a bit short sighted to use a 2-300 year period of record
keeping to define "normal" (1/.000000075th or so of the earths life). The
earth isn't going to stop evolving just because George Bush found Jesus.
You think "global warming" is bad, then you'll be in shock when the sun goes
through another 100 year solar flare cycle (think about it, computers
weren't around during the last cycle). Just imagine a world with no wireless
transmission for several weeks or months. We'll be replacing ICs in the
majority of computer appliances (including just about every vehicle within
the sun's line of sight) and a lifetime of UV damage will be nothing
compared to what 5 minutes exposure to a large flare can do.
The earth's a dangerous place. You need to be educated and prepared in order
to survive.
Just one man's opinion.
and a post script:
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken 1880 - 1956
I think this theory is now fact. I think Bush truly believes he is the
"Armageddon" president, and that he and his believers will be picked up buy
Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it. Policy
aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron.
Do a little research and you'll find a similar "Armageddon" campaign around
1000 AD. Hundreds of thousands died around that time, not because of natural
disasters, but because the majority of the people stopped planting crops,
and starved to death.
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4318090c@linux...
>
> "W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>No disrespect to you but what a crock to conclude that a Cat5 'cane has
>
>>anything to do with GW or global warming/cooling.
>
> Well, no disrespect to you, but when I hear ten years of talk about how
> weather
> will get more severe and more extreme, and when I look at weather in my
> own
> city, and not only notice the changes, but also hear constant news reports
> confirming that we're hitting more extremes more often, well it leads me
> to the natural conclusion that maybe, just maybe, all those scientists who
> claimed for years that we should expect worse hurricanes, well maybe they
> were right.
>
> You're right in the simple example that one cat5 does not a global warming
> link make. And records, one would expect, will be broken from time to time
> anyhow.
>
> Personally I start to think something is amiss though when I hear "Warmest
> [month x] on record" every couple of months. I don't expect to change your
> mind Mark, as I've learned that Don C is pretty much dead on when he says
> nobody ever changes their minds in these discussions. None the less, every
> time global warming comes up on this NG I always have a record to resite
> for my home city for the current day, week, or month, and it's more often
> than not something like it was this time...
>
> OK. Let me tell you some stats:
>
> This year, for Melbourne, where I live...
>
> 2004 was the 4th warmest year on record. We finished off 2004 with the
> wettest
> end to a year ever. Then had the coldest February (summer) day on record
> which included the highest rainfall ever in the city by a factor of 20%,
> which was 3 times the average MONTHLY rainfall ALL IN A SINGLE DAY. The
> coldest
> February since 1954. Wettest February since 1973. Driest Autumn since 1900
> since records (1900) for the state. Warmest autumn since 1950. (Autumn
> here
> being Mar, Apr, May of course).
>
> Meanwhile July's minimum temps were the (equal) warmest on record.
>
> We started August by being told 2 weeks in that averages were warmer than
> any August on record. Then week 3 I got snowed on in Ringwood. It doesn't
> snow in Ringwood, period. It was the coldest August day since the 70's.
> The
> most extreme August since, oh I don't remember...
>
> Sorry dude. I can see where you're coming from, but honestly, where I'm
> sitting,
> things just aren't normal. And more and more people are saying it...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.John <no@no.com> wrote:
>i don't think moving drives makes any change in reliability
>
Indeed, come to think of it, tell the thousands who have had trouble with
their IPODs that. I've heard reports that IPODs are having huge reliablilty
problems, all because their ads show people jogging listening to tunes, when
in fact, despite the IPOD drives being equipped best they can for movement,
no physical hdd really suits being shacken about. Hence people go running,
and the machine lasts only 3 months.
That's what I've heard anyhow...
Cheers,
Kim.Why the hell are there still people down there who haven't gotten
water or food!I don't understand this,its insane.
I'm tempted to buy a bunch of gas cans,fill them up and drive
down and pick up someone who's homeless and let them crash at our
crib here in St. Louis.I know this is probably not a good idea
and I would just be getting in the way of the trained response
people,but it seems there is a break in the chain of response
somewhere.
I realize this is a huge catastrophe,but it doesn't look like
there was proper response in place.Homeland security,no child
left behind;interesting phrases at this time.And no I'm not a
Bush supporter obviously;it can't all be blamed on him.
I'm just ranting as I feel I need to right now.
Pete
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>What the fuck is going on? Why is this thing getting so bad?
>
>Is this the best we can do?
>
>I don't know what to say, but I feel compelled to scream.
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I don't mean to sound like I'm saying I told you so, but scientists have
>been telling us the weather will get more severe for years due to global
>warming...
It simply isn't so. Frankly Kim, this is a major disaster, not an
opportunity to bang on your issue, even if it were relevant, which
in this case it isn't, and even if it were, Kyoto won't fix it, and is
fatally flawed anyway.
Lots of folks are banging on this issue. And looking silly.
this is from the UK Independent:
------------
King: Global warming may be to blame
By Andrew Buncombe
Published: 31 August 2005
Sir David King, the British Government's chief scientific adviser, has warned
that global warming may be responsible for the devastation reaped by Hurricane
Katrina.
"The increased intensity of hurricanes is associated with global warming,"
Professor King told Channel 4 News yesterday. "We have known since 1987 the
intensity of hurricanes is related to surface sea temperature and we know
that, over the last 15 to 20 years, surface sea temperatures in these regions
have increased by half a degree centigrade.
"So it is easy to conclude that the increased intensity of hurricanes is
associated with global warming."
Professor Kerry Emanuel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology also
claimed, less than a month ago, that ocean surfaces had become warmer, which
doubled the destructive potential of tropical storms in the past 30 years.
But he said that Monday's storm "is part of a natural" cycle of powerful
Atlantic storms that have struck since 1995. He told The Independent: "I
don't think you can put this down to global warming."
Other scientists point out that the 150-year record of Atlantic storms show
there is ample precedent for hurricanes of Katrina's power. They say it is
part of a natural upswing that has taken place since the mid-90s.
Officials at the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said
records showed hurricane activity in the Atlantic had been higher than normal
in nine of the past 11 years. This month the federal agency raised its hurricane
forecast for this year from 18 to 21 tropical storms, including as many as
11 that would become hurricanes.
If that prediction holds true, it would make this year one of the most violent
hurricane seasons recorded. A typical year in the Atlantic results in six
hurricanes. The agency said the increase was likely to be the result of cyclical
ocean and atmospheric conditions that produced heightened storms every 20
to 30 years.
William Gray, a Colorado State University meteorologist who is considered
one of the fathers of modern tropical cyclone science, said worldwide weather
records were too inadequate for a thorough examination of trends.
He told The Los Angeles Times: "The people who have a bias in favour of the
argument that humans are making the globe warmer will push any data that
suggests humans are making hurricanes worse, but it just isn't so ... These
are natural cycles."DJ,I disagree we're in a war as equally serious as WWII.Wanting
to see all sides of the issue could you explain how you came to
believe that.All respect intended.
Pete
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The middle would
>work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly acknowledge
>and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as serious as
>WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you can't fight
a
>war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you first
>acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
>> "perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I see and
>> seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me." kinda
>> sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes the
>> norm.
>>
>> :o(
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I am
>> >stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every anti-industry
>> >viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I do question
>> >both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might discover
>that
>> >I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the least
>> >dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the middle
>that
>> >looks reasonable to me.
>> >
>> >"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message news:43174724$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just reinforced the
>> >stereotype
>> >> of someone who works in the industry.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new White
>House
>> >> >sponsored
>> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to reduce
>> >> >America's
>> >> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global warming,
>fails
>> >> to
>> >> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy, and fails
to
>help
>> >> >consumers
>> >> >> at the gas pump.
>> >> >> What it did do includes:
>> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
>construction
>> >> >activities
>> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
>> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of oil per
day
>in
>> >> >2014
>> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
>> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry. (Who are
>all
>> >> >showing
>> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
>> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest giveaway
of
>all
>> >> >time.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to list but
my
>> >> >personal
>> >> >> favorites are:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to
>compensate
>> >> for
>> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which studies have
>> >> >concluded
>> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
>> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will give you
>$800
>> >> >million
>> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has considerable
>> >> >holdings
>> >> >> in one of the companies.
>> >> >
>> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby *insisted* on
>the
>> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain emissions levels.
>It
>> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns out it
was
>> >bad
>> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when they only
>did
>> >> it
>> >> >because it was federally mandated.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge, but also
>> >similar
>> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney family
>has
>> >> >future
>> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
>> >> >
>> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern slope
of
>> >the
>> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right outside of
>> >Glacier
>> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The fact that
>> >Cheney
>> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney, but
he's
>> >from
>> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four generations ago
>just
>> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas prices.
>> >> >
>> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with him
>before.
>> >> If
>> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good thing to
get
>to
>> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its the
>> >Halliburton
>> >> >thing, right?
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business you
>would
>> >> have
>> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its energy
>> >> >efficiency.
>> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a business,
>> >you
>> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the IRS.
>> >(Public
>> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
>> >> >
>> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree huggers. (Just
>a
>> >> >little perspective)
>> >> >
>> >> >;o)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Gene
>> >> >>
>> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our
>absolute
>> >> >reliance
>> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are negatively
>> >> >effected
>> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us to
the
>> >large
>> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick diplomacy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the road.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea that
we
>> >must
>> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy suppliers
>to
>> >> help
>> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This will
help
>> >make
>> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we
>completely
>> >> >run
>> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health issues
>> >and
>> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this already
>> >> >started.
>> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy
>> >independence,
>> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
>> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually cares
more
>> >about
>> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
>> >> >> Gene
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>jp - Your climatology insight is fairly well reasoned. Your post script is
yet more politically opinionated slander. Sorry, it's true. GWB doesn't
see himself as the "Armaggedon" president. That's just ridiculous
extrapolated hyperbole.
Yes weather goes in cycles. Katrina is the worst hurricane since Camille,
but Camille was worse - I think 210mph winds there - it was a full cat 5
when it hit Galvaston in 1900. We only have accurate weather records for a
little over 100 years here. Let's be real here. New Orleans is below sea
level, on the coast. How arrogant could we humans possibly be than to build
a city in the center of hurricane alley, below sea level? I'm not
diminishing the catastrophe for the people there, but we have high rises and
homes right on the beach that get wiped out time after time, yet we build
right back. Isn't there a measure of personal risk, or just unfortunate
circumstances involved with where we choose to live? Sure, some people
really don't have a choice, and for them it's tragic, pure and simple. No
blame either way, just reality. People who live next to rivers take the
same risk - great place to live, but it comes with the chance you might lost
it someday. The more people do this and the larger populations grow, the
bigger the catastrophe when a storm or flood does hit. It's been happening
for centuries - the ice age was a huge natural disaster - but no one was
around to film such past natural events, so we really don't bother thinking
about how comparatively normal the hurricane, and even the tsunami are in
the scope of global weather history.
Kim I'm sorry to hear you had weird weather in Australia, but based on
scientific reports I've heard, such events are far less likely to be the
result of global warming than a 20 year trend in averages would be.
Certainly some odd events could be a result, but it is nearly impossible to
say for sure, and certainly even harder to predict. We live with highly
variable weather here in the US. Both the hottest temp and the highest wind
gust ever have been recorded in the US, since records have been kept at
least. Highest wind gust - Mt. Washington, NH I believe - I've hiked it,
but it was only 40F that day, with 20-35mph winds, so a normal day basically
:-). Hottest temp - probably Death Valley. Good name too.
We do need to address our environmental habits - there is without a doubt an
impact we are paying for, whether we really know it or not. But launching
blame against governments for not doing something sooner in the face of a
natural disaster is ludicrous and ill-informed. Let's fix the real problem
- name one person in a one developed country that could live without a car
if we really did what it takes to solve this quickly - cut fossil fuel usage
by 50-100% in a year, not 10, or 20 like Kyoto, but 1 or 2. We've created
societies (Australia, Europe, Canada, Asia, Russia, etc included) that would
have a hard time surviving economically if we really addressed environmental
issues head on, with real mandates or laws, and real results. It would hurt
bad - very bad. That's the crux of the seemingly wishy washy policy
approach to it. It won't happen until the people of this world decide to do
something. It's simply lame to sit around waiting for governments to not
only force us, but convince us that whatever legislation is passed is a
beautiful thing and we'll love the results. That's what we are doing to be
truthful - waiting for someone else to take the situation in hand and
convince everyone else it's the greatest idea since the wheel, which is
really the one that started this mess.
Regards,
Dedric
On 9/2/05 7:53 AM, in article 4318598a$1@linux, "jp" <no@mail.please> wrote:
> I am not out to change anyone's mind, but I have done my own research on
> climate. With my understanding of cyclical world climate changes,
> understanding of the gulf stream mechanism, as well as the scope of
> naturally occurring co2, I am confident that the earth has a tendency to
> keep itself in balance, even if that means shedding off certain species
> (including us). The earth doesn't need our help. It's been doing fine for a
> few billion years.
>
> I think it's a bit short sighted to use a 2-300 year period of record
> keeping to define "normal" (1/.000000075th or so of the earths life). The
> earth isn't going to stop evolving just because George Bush found Jesus.
>
> You think "global warming" is bad, then you'll be in shock when the sun goes
> through another 100 year solar flare cycle (think about it, computers
> weren't around during the last cycle). Just imagine a world with no wireless
> transmission for several weeks or months. We'll be replacing ICs in the
> majority of computer appliances (including just about every vehicle within
> the sun's line of sight) and a lifetime of UV damage will be nothing
> compared to what 5 minutes exposure to a large flare can do.
>
> The earth's a dangerous place. You need to be educated and prepared in order
> to survive.
>
> Just one man's opinion.
>
> and a post script:
>
> "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
> more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
> the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
> White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
>
> H.L. Mencken 1880 - 1956
>
> I think this theory is now fact. I think Bush truly believes he is the
> "Armageddon" president, and that he and his believers will be picked up buy
> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it. Policy
> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron.
>
> Do a little research and you'll find a similar "Armageddon" campaign around
> 1000 AD. Hundreds of thousands died around that time, not because of natural
> disasters, but because the majority of the people stopped planting crops,
> and starved to death.
>
>
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4318090c@linux...
>>
>> "W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> No disrespect to you but what a crock to conclude that a Cat5 'cane has
>>
>>> anything to do with GW or global warming/cooling.
>>
>> Well, no disrespect to you, but when I hear ten years of talk about how
>> weather
>> will get more severe and more extreme, and when I look at weather in my
>> own
>> city, and not only notice the changes, but also hear constant news reports
>> confirming that we're hitting more extremes more often, well it leads me
>> to the natural conclusion that maybe, just maybe, all those scientists who
>> claimed for years that we should expect worse hurricanes, well maybe they
>> were right.
>>
>> You're right in the simple example that one cat5 does not a global warming
>> link make. And records, one would expect, will be broken from time to time
>> anyhow.
>>
>> Personally I start to think something is amiss though when I hear "Warmest
>> [month x] on record" every couple of months. I don't expect to change your
>> mind Mark, as I've learned that Don C is pretty much dead on when he says
>> nobody ever changes their minds in these discussions. None the less, every
>> time global warming comes up on this NG I always have a record to resite
>> for my home city for the current day, week, or month, and it's more often
>> than not something like it was this time...
>>
>> OK. Let me tell you some stats:
>>
>> This year, for Melbourne, where I live...
>>
>> 2004 was the 4th warmest year on record. We finished off 2004 with the
>> wettest
>> end to a year ever. Then had the coldest February (summer) day on record
>> which included the highest rainfall ever in the city by a factor of 20%,
>> which was 3 times the average MONTHLY rainfall ALL IN A SINGLE DAY. The
>> coldest
>> February since 1954. Wettest February since 1973. Driest Autumn since 1900
>> since records (1900) for the state. Warmest autumn since 1950. (Autumn
>> here
>> being Mar, Apr, May of course).
>>
>> Meanwhile July's minimum temps were the (equal) warmest on record.
>>
>> We started August by being told 2 weeks in that averages were warmer than
>> any August on record. Then week 3 I got snowed on in Ringwood. It doesn't
>> snow in Ringwood, period. It was the coldest August day since the 70's.
>> The
>> most extreme August since, oh I don't remember...
>>
>> Sorry dude. I can see where you're coming from, but honestly, where I'm
>> sitting,
>> things just aren't normal. And more and more people are saying it...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>I'm just ranting as I feel I need to right now.
>
>Pete
I'm with you.
The president is not an inspiring leader at times of diaster, but this
f*ckup has to be laid at the feet of the tradition of corruption and
poor government in NO. They knew exactly what would happen
to the levies, they knew exactly how deep the water would be and
where it would go. Why was there not an effective emergency
plan? Where was the local leadership? When NO needed a
Giuliani they got a worthless whiner and no plan. Bush was slow,
as he usually is. No excuses. But compared to the city and state
bozos he is a paragon of virtue.
DCCan't disagree with you there.When Katrina first happened I was
seeing the governor and mayor on tv pretty often;haven't seen
them in a day or two.I hear the mayor is in Baton Rouge now.With
the communications the way they are he might need to be there,but
I don't think the hungry,thirsty suffering people in NO would
think much of their mayor being elsewhere.
Pete
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>I'm just ranting as I feel I need to right now.
>>
>>Pete
>
>
>I'm with you.
>
>The president is not an inspiring leader at times of diaster, but this
>f*ckup has to be laid at the feet of the tradition of corruption and
>poor government in NO. They knew exactly what would happen
>to the levies, they knew exactly how deep the water would be and
>where it would go. Why was there not an effective emergency
>plan? Where was the local leadership? When NO needed a
>Giuliani they got a worthless whiner and no plan. Bush was slow,
>as he usually is. No excuses. But compared to the city and state
>bozos he is a paragon of virtue.
>
>DCWhile I think that the case for global warming has been made to the satisfaction
of most of the world's scientific community, I dont't know that it was a
major contributor to the magnitude of this hurricane. I recently read that
there is a 40 year cycle of hurrican activity, and we have entered the not
so pleasant part of that cycle.
New Orleans is one of my favorite cities. I was just there in June for the
Tape Op Con. But I think we need to ask the question "does it make sense
to rebuild it in the same place?".
DTerry <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote:
>jp - Your climatology insight is fairly well reasoned. Your post script
is
>yet more politically opinionated slander. Sorry, it's true. GWB doesn't
>see himself as the "Armaggedon" president. That's just ridiculous
>extrapolated hyperbole.
>
>Yes weather goes in cycles. Katrina is the worst hurricane since Camille,
>but Camille was worse - I think 210mph winds there - it was a full cat 5
>when it hit Galvaston in 1900. We only have accurate weather records for
a
>little over 100 years here. Let's be real here. New Orleans is below
sea
>level, on the coast. How arrogant could we humans possibly be than to build
>a city in the center of hurricane alley, below sea level? I'm not
>diminishing the catastrophe for the people there, but we have high rises
and
>homes right on the beach that get wiped out time after time, yet we build
>right back. Isn't there a measure of personal risk, or just unfortunate
>circumstances involved with where we choose to live? Sure, some people
>really don't have a choice, and for them it's tragic, pure and simple.
No
>blame either way, just reality. People who live next to rivers take the
>same risk - great place to live, but it comes with the chance you might
lost
>it someday. The more people do this and the larger populations grow, the
>bigger the catastrophe when a storm or flood does hit. It's been happening
>for centuries - the ice age was a huge natural disaster - but no one was
>around to film such past natural events, so we really don't bother thinking
>about how comparatively normal the hurricane, and even the tsunami are in
>the scope of global weather history.
>
>Kim I'm sorry to hear you had weird weather in Australia, but based on
>scientific reports I've heard, such events are far less likely to be the
>result of global warming than a 20 year trend in averages would be.
>Certainly some odd events could be a result, but it is nearly impossible
to
>say for sure, and certainly even harder to predict. We live with highly
>variable weather here in the US. Both the hottest temp and the highest
wind
>gust ever have been recorded in the US, since records have been kept at
>least. Highest wind gust - Mt. Washington, NH I believe - I've hiked it,
>but it was only 40F that day, with 20-35mph winds, so a normal day basically
>:-). Hottest temp - probably Death Valley. Good name too.
>
>We do need to address our environmental habits - there is without a doubt
an
>impact we are paying for, whether we really know it or not. But launching
>blame against governments for not doing something sooner in the face of
a
>natural disaster is ludicrous and ill-informed. Let's fix the real problem
>- name one person in a one developed country that could live without a car
>if we really did what it takes to solve this quickly - cut fossil fuel usage
>by 50-100% in a year, not 10, or 20 like Kyoto, but 1 or 2. We've created
>societies (Australia, Europe, Canada, Asia, Russia, etc included) that would
>have a hard time surviving economically if we really addressed environmental
>issues head on, with real mandates or laws, and real results. It would
hurt
>bad - very bad. That's the crux of the seemingly wishy washy policy
>approach to it. It won't happen until the people of this world decide to
do
>something. It's simply lame to sit around waiting for governments to not
>only force us, but convince us that whatever legislation is passed is a
>beautiful thing and we'll love the results. That's what we are doing to
be
>truthful - waiting for someone else to take the situation in hand and
>convince everyone else it's the greatest idea since the wheel, which is
>really the one that started this mess.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 9/2/05 7:53 AM, in article 4318598a$1@linux, "jp" <no@mail.please> wrote:
>
>> I am not out to change anyone's mind, but I have done my own research
on
>> climate. With my understanding of cyclical world climate changes,
>> understanding of the gulf stream mechanism, as well as the scope of
>> naturally occurring co2, I am confident that the earth has a tendency
to
>> keep itself in balance, even if that means shedding off certain species
>> (including us). The earth doesn't need our help. It's been doing fine
for a
>> few billion years.
>>
>> I think it's a bit short sighted to use a 2-300 year period of record
>> keeping to define "normal" (1/.000000075th or so of the earths life).
The
>> earth isn't going to stop evolving just because George Bush found Jesus.
>>
>> You think "global warming" is bad, then you'll be in shock when the sun
goes
>> through another 100 year solar flare cycle (think about it, computers
>> weren't around during the last cycle). Just imagine a world with no wireless
>> transmission for several weeks or months. We'll be replacing ICs in the
>> majority of computer appliances (including just about every vehicle within
>> the sun's line of sight) and a lifetime of UV damage will be nothing
>> compared to what 5 minutes exposure to a large flare can do.
>>
>> The earth's a dangerous place. You need to be educated and prepared in
order
>> to survive.
>>
>> Just one man's opinion.
>>
>> and a post script:
>>
>> "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
>> more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious
day
>> the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and
the
>> White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
>>
>> H.L. Mencken 1880 - 1956
>>
>> I think this theory is now fact. I think Bush truly believes he is the
>> "Armageddon" president, and that he and his believers will be picked up
buy
>> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it. Policy
>> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron.
>>
>> Do a little research and you'll find a similar "Armageddon" campaign around
>> 1000 AD. Hundreds of thousands died around that time, not because of natural
>> disasters, but because the majority of the people stopped planting crops,
>> and starved to death.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4318090c@linux...
>>>
>>> "W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No disrespect to you but what a crock to conclude that a Cat5 'cane
has
>>>
>>>> anything to do with GW or global warming/cooling.
>>>
>>> Well, no disrespect to you, but when I hear ten years of talk about how
>>> weather
>>> will get more severe and more extreme, and when I look at weather in
my
>>> own
>>> city, and not only notice the changes, but also hear constant news reports
>>> confirming that we're hitting more extremes more often, well it leads
me
>>> to the natural conclusion that maybe, just maybe, all those scientists
who
>>> claimed for years that we should expect worse hurricanes, well maybe
they
>>> were right.
>>>
>>> You're right in the simple example that one cat5 does not a global warming
>>> link make. And records, one would expect, will be broken from time to
time
>>> anyhow.
>>>
>>> Personally I start to think something is amiss though when I hear "Warmest
>>> [month x] on record" every couple of months. I don't expect to change
your
>>> mind Mark, as I've learned that Don C is pretty much dead on when he
says
>>> nobody ever changes their minds in these discussions. None the less,
every
>>> time global warming comes up on this NG I always have a record to resite
>>> for my home city for the current day, week, or month, and it's more often
>>> than not something like it was this time...
>>>
>>> OK. Let me tell you some stats:
>>>
>>> This year, for Melbourne, where I live...
>>>
>>> 2004 was the 4th warmest year on record. We finished off 2004 with the
>>> wettest
>>> end to a year ever. Then had the coldest February (summer) day on record
>>> which included the highest rainfall ever in the city by a factor of 20%,
>>> which was 3 times the average MONTHLY rainfall ALL IN A SINGLE DAY. The
>>> coldest
>>> February since 1954. Wettest February since 1973. Driest Autumn since
1900
>>> since records (1900) for the state. Warmest autumn since 1950. (Autumn
>>> here
>>> being Mar, Apr, May of course).
>>>
>>> Meanwhile July's minimum temps were the (equal) warmest on record.
>>>
>>> We started August by being told 2 weeks in that averages were warmer
than
>>> any August on record. Then week 3 I got snowed on in Ringwood. It doesn't
>>> snow in Ringwood, period. It was the coldest August day since the 70's.
>>> The
>>> most extreme August since, oh I don't remember...
>>>
>>> Sorry dude. I can see where you're coming from, but honestly, where I'm
>>> sitting,
>>> things just aren't normal. And more and more people are saying it...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Kim.
>>
>>
>I tend to agree on this point. The first thing that started really scaring
me was the fact that the governer of LA was near hysterics in a televised
news conference. That was Tuesday, and things have gotten much worse since
then. And the mayor of NO doesn't seem entirely competent to handle the
situation, either...to put it nicely...
LA leadership is not up the task, never could have been. It's just so
obvious the whole place got caught with a uppercut it never bothered to take
seriously.
It is unconscionable, however, how slow and lazy the Federal response has
been. The various leaders of various agencies, including our not-so-esteemed
boy king, have spent more time making excuses, it seems, than in making
things better.
I am simply horrified with what is unfolding. The political repercussions
will be massive. I predict the head of FEMA will be jobless very soon.
Jimmy
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:43186e80$1@linux...
> I'm with you.
>
> The president is not an inspiring leader at times of diaster, but this
> f*ckup has to be laid at the feet of the tradition of corruption and
> poor government in NO. They knew exactly what would happen
> to the levies, they knew exactly how deep the water would be and
> where it would go. Why was there not an effective emergency
> plan? Where was the local leadership? When NO needed a
> Giuliani they got a worthless whiner and no plan. Bush was slow,
> as he usually is. No excuses. But compared to the city and state
> bozos he is a paragon of virtue.
>
> DCPull an "Office Space" on those bitches. Do it in slow-mo. Play some really
nasty gangsta rap while you do it, maybe some Ghetto Boys.
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4317e79e$1@linux...
> Man, I've had it with this crap. I've had two TL Audio Indigo processors
in
> my rack for many years. Either/both of them will work just fine for a
while
> and then just start distorting like crazy.......or stop passing signal
form
> an output, or a pot will fail, not just get scratchy....totally fail. I've
> opened these up, replaced IC's, resistors, caps, tubes, sent the EQ to an
> authorized repair facility (worked fine after that for about 6 months,
then
> started having the same issues), you name it.
>
> When they are working, they sound very nice and that's why I have kept
them
> and babied them along, but I just can't put up with this unreliable
garbage
> any more. They are worthless to me if I can't depend on them.
>
> I'm thinking about selling them *as is* with a truthful statement about
> their condition, but I might also just enjoy the hell out of video taped
> sledge hammering or maybe a target practice session with these as the
> target. I could send the pics to Fletcher so he can put this up alongside
> the dead Mackie mixer and ADAT shit on a stick memorial. I recall posts
> indicating that he has no love for this product either.
>
> I did own a couple of PA2 preamps a while back that sounded darned good. I
> sold them in good condition. I hope they aren't acting like these old
Indigo
> series processors now.
>
> ;o(
>
>but we are fighting a half assed war in a half assed fashion just as
we did in vietnam.
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:14:46 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The middle would
>work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly acknowledge
>and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as serious as
>WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you can't fight a
>war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you first
>acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
>> "perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I see and
>> seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me." kinda
>> sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes the
>> norm.
>>
>> :o(
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I am
>> >stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every anti-industry
>> >viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I do question
>> >both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might discover
>that
>> >I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the least
>> >dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the middle
>that
>> >looks reasonable to me.
>> >
>> >"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message news:43174724$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just reinforced the
>> >stereotype
>> >> of someone who works in the industry.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new White
>House
>> >> >sponsored
>> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to reduce
>> >> >America's
>> >> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global warming,
>fails
>> >> to
>> >> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy, and fails to
>help
>> >> >consumers
>> >> >> at the gas pump.
>> >> >> What it did do includes:
>> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
>construction
>> >> >activities
>> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
>> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of oil per day
>in
>> >> >2014
>> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
>> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry. (Who are
>all
>> >> >showing
>> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
>> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest giveaway of
>all
>> >> >time.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to list but my
>> >> >personal
>> >> >> favorites are:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to
>compensate
>> >> for
>> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which studies have
>> >> >concluded
>> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
>> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will give you
>$800
>> >> >million
>> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has considerable
>> >> >holdings
>> >> >> in one of the companies.
>> >> >
>> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby *insisted* on
>the
>> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain emissions levels.
>It
>> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns out it was
>> >bad
>> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when they only
>did
>> >> it
>> >> >because it was federally mandated.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge, but also
>> >similar
>> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney family
>has
>> >> >future
>> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
>> >> >
>> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern slope of
>> >the
>> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right outside of
>> >Glacier
>> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The fact that
>> >Cheney
>> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney, but he's
>> >from
>> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four generations ago
>just
>> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas prices.
>> >> >
>> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with him
>before.
>> >> If
>> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good thing to get
>to
>> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its the
>> >Halliburton
>> >> >thing, right?
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business you
>would
>> >> have
>> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its energy
>> >> >efficiency.
>> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a business,
>> >you
>> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the IRS.
>> >(Public
>> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
>> >> >
>> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree huggers. (Just
>a
>> >> >little perspective)
>> >> >
>> >> >;o)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Gene
>> >> >>
>> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our
>absolute
>> >> >reliance
>> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are negatively
>> >> >effected
>> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us to the
>> >large
>> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick diplomacy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the road.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea that we
>> >must
>> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy suppliers
>to
>> >> help
>> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This will help
>> >make
>> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we
>completely
>> >> >run
>> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health issues
>> >and
>> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this already
>> >> >started.
>> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy
>> >independence,
>> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
>> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually cares more
>> >about
>> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
>> >> >> Gene
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>Anybody use the Cakewalk VST-DX wrapper with Paris? It lists at $59 on their
website..Is it better than the old FXPansion one?Agree with you Jimmy;I think some heads are gonna roll.When you
see Bush saying the response has been "unacceptable";whether or
not that means he is taking any blame there are bound to be
changes as there should be.
Pete
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>I tend to agree on this point. The first thing that started really scaring
>me was the fact that the governer of LA was near hysterics in a televised
>news conference. That was Tuesday, and things have gotten much worse since
>then. And the mayor of NO doesn't seem entirely competent to handle the
>situation, either...to put it nicely...
>
>LA leadership is not up the task, never could have been. It's just so
>obvious the whole place got caught with a uppercut it never bothered to
take
>seriously.
>
>It is unconscionable, however, how slow and lazy the Federal response has
>been. The various leaders of various agencies, including our not-so-esteemed
>boy king, have spent more time making excuses, it seems, than in making
>things better.
>
>I am simply horrified with what is unfolding. The political repercussions
>will be massive. I predict the head of FEMA will be jobless very soon.
>
>Jimmy
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:43186e80$1@linux...
>
>> I'm with you.
>>
>> The president is not an inspiring leader at times of diaster, but this
>> f*ckup has to be laid at the feet of the tradition of corruption and
>> poor government in NO. They knew exactly what would happen
>> to the levies, they knew exactly how deep the water would be and
>> where it would go. Why was there not an effective emergency
>> plan? Where was the local leadership? When NO needed a
>> Giuliani they got a worthless whiner and no plan. Bush was slow,
>> as he usually is. No excuses. But compared to the city and state
>> bozos he is a paragon of virtue.
>>
>> DC
>
>Jason,
It wasn't meant to be warm and fuzzy. It was meant to be ludicrous just like
the linked article was. Yes, I'm a conservative leaning libertarian. Yes,
I'm disgusted with the fiscal waste by Washington. I'm also sick and tired
of the hard left blaming everything bad that happens in the world on the
Bush administration. For God's sake, people are still dying in New Orleans
and a large part of the country would rather turn this disaster into a
partisan politics pissing match. It's sickening. This isn't the America I
knew growing up.
I heard today that the Corps Of Engineers have been warning of the
possibility of this kind of disaster since the early 1960's. What did
Kennedy do? What did Johnson do? How about Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush
#1, Clinton? That's eight administrations that had the information and for
whatever reason nothing (or very little and certainly not enough) was done.
I have no great admiration for George Bush. I disagree with more and more of
his policies every day. It's the fervent and utterly absolute hatred by the
left that really disturbs me.
********WARM AND FUZZY PART********
I'm really diggin' Miles to Miles. Listening to Butter Pecan as I type.
Excellent! As I've said before, regardless of everyone's differing political
views on this news group, I have faith if any of us were to meet on the
street, that we'd become quick friends. I think most all of us can at least
agree that PARIS rocks!
Here's wishing everyone on the group peace, safety and happiness.
Tony
"jason Miles" <Jmiles45@aol.com> wrote in message news:43177f03$1@linux...
>
> "Tony Benson" <t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a m p t o n.c o m> wrote:
>>That only applies if the messenger is delivering the truth.
>>
>>I have proof that all the money diverted from any federal flood control
>
>>projects was used to pay for welfare programs, grants for people who roll
>
>>around in shit and call it art, federally funded abortion clinics, and
>>interest on defaulted student loans.
>>
> what a warm and fuzzy response
> JMI am not moving my drives WHILE they are running.
John
Kim wrote:
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>>i don't think moving drives makes any change in reliability
>>
>
> Indeed, come to think of it, tell the thousands who have had trouble with
> their IPODs that. I've heard reports that IPODs are having huge reliablilty
> problems, all because their ads show people jogging listening to tunes, when
> in fact, despite the IPOD drives being equipped best they can for movement,
> no physical hdd really suits being shacken about. Hence people go running,
> and the machine lasts only 3 months.
>
> That's what I've heard anyhow...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.Here's what I don't understand... a day or two before the
hurricane made landfall, when they knew it was going to be a bad
one, but didn't necessarily know where it was going hit exactly,
why didn't the feds start sending emergency vehicles & supplies
to a staging area in like Kansas, or Oklahoma, or something?
I mean, you can't send things right down into the storm istelf,
at that point of course, all that stuff would've been destroyed
along with everything else, but start shipping truckloads of non-
perishable food/MRE's, deploy gasoline tankers full of fuel,
flatbeds with emergency generators mounted on the backs, medical
personnel & supplies, water tankers, tents, etc.
If they had done this, then all this stuff wouldn't have to
start trickling in from all over the country several days
later... they could've had supplies & personnel there the day
after the storm subsided, and if they'd stage at some point
that's far enough away to be safe, but close enough to where it
cuts a day or two off the time that relief starts to arrive,
they could've been in any of those cities down there much faster.
I don't get why we don't do that, especially when they know
there's going to be SOME level of damage and that SOME people
are going to need help. It's not like this thing just came out
of nowhere & surprised everyone. Why isn't something like that
part of FEMA's planning?
Neil
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbclgobal.net> wrote:
>
>Agree with you Jimmy;I think some heads are gonna roll.When you
>see Bush saying the response has been "unacceptable";whether or
>not that means he is taking any blame there are bound to be
>changes as there should be.
>
>Pete
>
>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>I tend to agree on this point. The first thing that started really scaring
>>me was the fact that the governer of LA was near hysterics in a televised
>>news conference. That was Tuesday, and things have gotten much worse since
>>then. And the mayor of NO doesn't seem entirely competent to handle the
>>situation, either...to put it nicely...
>>
>>LA leadership is not up the task, never could have been. It's just so
>>obvious the whole place got caught with a uppercut it never bothered to
>take
>>seriously.
>>
>>It is unconscionable, however, how slow and lazy the Federal response has
>>been. The various leaders of various agencies, including our not-so-esteemed
>>boy king, have spent more time making excuses, it seems, than in making
>>things better.
>>
>>I am simply horrified with what is unfolding. The political repercussions
>>will be massive. I predict the head of FEMA will be jobless very soon.
>>
>>Jimmy
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:43186e80$1@linux...
>>
>>> I'm with you.
>>>
>>> The president is not an inspiring leader at times of diaster, but this
>>> f*ckup has to be laid at the feet of the tradition of corruption and
>>> poor government in NO. They knew exactly what would happen
>>> to the levies, they knew exactly how deep the water would be and
>>> where it would go. Why was there not an effective emergency
>>> plan? Where was the local leadership? When NO needed a
>>> Giuliani they got a worthless whiner and no plan. Bush was slow,
>>> as he usually is. No excuses. But compared to the city and state
>>> bozos he is a paragon of virtue.
>>>
>>> DC
>>
>>
>Darn good point Neil. The oil companies raised prices in anticipation. We
could have at least put emergency relief staging areas in progress.
Regards,
Dedric
On 9/2/05 10:37 AM, in article 43187fd1$1@linux, "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com>
wrote:
>
> Here's what I don't understand... a day or two before the
> hurricane made landfall, when they knew it was going to be a bad
> one, but didn't necessarily know where it was going hit exactly,
> why didn't the feds start sending emergency vehicles & supplies
> to a staging area in like Kansas, or Oklahoma, or something?
>
> I mean, you can't send things right down into the storm istelf,
> at that point of course, all that stuff would've been destroyed
> along with everything else, but start shipping truckloads of non-
> perishable food/MRE's, deploy gasoline tankers full of fuel,
> flatbeds with emergency generators mounted on the backs, medical
> personnel & supplies, water tankers, tents, etc.
>
> If they had done this, then all this stuff wouldn't have to
> start trickling in from all over the country several days
> later... they could've had supplies & personnel there the day
> after the storm subsided, and if they'd stage at some point
> that's far enough away to be safe, but close enough to where it
> cuts a day or two off the time that relief starts to arrive,
> they could've been in any of those cities down there much faster.
>
> I don't get why we don't do that, especially when they know
> there's going to be SOME level of damage and that SOME people
> are going to need help. It's not like this thing just came out
> of nowhere & surprised everyone. Why isn't something like that
> part of FEMA's planning?
>
> Neil
>
>
> "Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbclgobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> Agree with you Jimmy;I think some heads are gonna roll.When you
>> see Bush saying the response has been "unacceptable";whether or
>> not that means he is taking any blame there are bound to be
>> changes as there should be.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> I tend to agree on this point. The first thing that started really scaring
>>> me was the fact that the governer of LA was near hysterics in a televised
>>> news conference. That was Tuesday, and things have gotten much worse since
>>> then. And the mayor of NO doesn't seem entirely competent to handle the
>>> situation, either...to put it nicely...
>>>
>>> LA leadership is not up the task, never could have been. It's just so
>>> obvious the whole place got caught with a uppercut it never bothered to
>> take
>>> seriously.
>>>
>>> It is unconscionable, however, how slow and lazy the Federal response has
>>> been. The various leaders of various agencies, including our not-so-esteemed
>>> boy king, have spent more time making excuses, it seems, than in making
>>> things better.
>>>
>>> I am simply horrified with what is unfolding. The political repercussions
>>> will be massive. I predict the head of FEMA will be jobless very soon.
>>>
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:43186e80$1@linux...
>>>
>>>> I'm with you.
>>>>
>>>> The president is not an inspiring leader at times of diaster, but this
>>>> f*ckup has to be laid at the feet of the tradition of corruption and
>>>> poor government in NO. They knew exactly what would happen
>>>> to the levies, they knew exactly how deep the water would be and
>>>> where it would go. Why was there not an effective emergency
>>>> plan? Where was the local leadership? When NO needed a
>>>> Giuliani they got a worthless whiner and no plan. Bush was slow,
>>>> as he usually is. No excuses. But compared to the city and state
>>>> bozos he is a paragon of virtue.
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>
>>>
>>
>Dear Kim,
There is only a specific version of Wormhole that works under Paris in
synced mode.
In order to have the inntanses synced you have to wrap wormhole with console
wrapper.
I tried all wrappers, none else sends syncing information or at least
syncing information that wormhole can grab.
I manage to have around 8 instances of wormhole playing in sync.
It is not a perfect world with Paris though.
Under Me console does not save its environement but you can save from within
console and load so you can load it after Paris has been opened.
I ahev once tried and played with vst instruments from within console with
some success but was waiting for a console update to have MTC support not
only midiclock.
There are great possibilities but you need time for experiment.
It is not the magic solution but someone can use paris one card system for
realtime mixing device running his cubase program from another pc over
lan...
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43180ecc$1@linux...
>
>
> Hmm, it's only $50US... I'm very tempted. ;o)
>
> What's the cost of this Console wrapper. Did a quick google. I take it
this
> is it at $54...
>
> http://www.kvraudio.com/get/267.html ?
>
> So it's $104US for the whole shebang. Not too shabby at all...
>
> I have been, in my mental peripheral vision, partly aware that you've been
> working on this. It does sound interesting. I don't mean to be a pain, but
> could you take us through exactly what you've acheived here? Why Console?
> Are you running VSTi's in Cubase on another box over the LAN interfacing
> back to Paris? I read talk somewhere that Console can clock to MIDI...?
>
> What exactly are you able to do with this setup?
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >Hi,
> >After some good tries I came up with a paris wormhole version.
> >There is one specific version (which Adrian from wormhole has tailored to
> >our needs) that will work best with Paris.
> >It works under Me and I can have at least 8 tracks of fully synced audio
> >tracks coming from second computer via lan.
> >You have to use though console wrapper as it is the only yet that sends
> >syncing information.
> >I wanna know when I finally test this baby that he will get some support
> >from us.
> >We have to buy some of us (I have already) ) to justify all his extra
> >efforts he made for us.
> >It is cheap anyway...
> >Please respond with some positive interest in buying.
> >Afterall you will get fuller versions with updates for other systems that
> >work great along with Paris version.
> >Come on guys we don't expect people to work for us and have nothing for
> >return...
> >This way we may keep Paris alive for years (I hope) to come...
> >Regards,
> >Dimitrios
> >
> >
>What I found today working with wormhole is that although FXpansion latest
or Cakewalk adapters do not work directly with FREE FFX4 DX chainer you can
wrap your DX plugins and then use FFX4 to make them work for you !!
Working wrapper though is Spinaudio and console.
Spinaudio is simplier and very light to use.
Regards,
Dimitrioshttp://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/"DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
news:BF3DC8FD.401F%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
> jp - Your climatology insight is fairly well reasoned. Your post script
> is
> yet more politically opinionated slander. Sorry, it's true. GWB doesn't
> see himself as the "Armaggedon" president. That's just ridiculous
> extrapolated hyperbole.
Let me make one thing clear. Slander is creating false statements for the
purpose of swaying ones opinion of a person or entity. I don't see how my
quote...
"I think this theory is now fact. I think Bush truly believes he is the
"Armageddon" president, and that he and his believers will be picked up buy
Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it. Policy
aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
....is false in any way shape or form, unless of course YOU actually know
what I think better than I. This is my personal opinion, is stated as my
personal opinion, and is backed by my own research. Quotes such as this:
"I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I
sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know
it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed
me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to
solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not,
the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
as well as my own interpretation of Bush's reaction to disaster, leads me to
this opinion.
I accept that you don't agree with my opinion, but it is no more slanderous
than George W. Bush's own comments on Homosexuality are slanderous to those
who choose to practice alternative lifestyles.
I also believe that the majority of organized religions were spawned as a
crutch to deal with the fact that as human's we have become temporally
aware, and therefore aware of not only our own existence, but aware of our
own termination. I believe many religions are filled with people who are
simply sheep, following the herd, without really analyzing what the herd
actually stands for. These are the idiots I speak about. You may agree, and
exclude yourself from this flock, or you may disagree, but my beliefs will
remain steadfast. IMOHO George W. Bush is a Bible toting moron.
I believe in God, but I believe that God is far beyond human comprehension
(in fact He is beyond the limits of time itself). I believe most religions
attempt to humanize GOD in order to understand him. This is the issue with
religion that I find appalling. I believe that there is room for both an
creator and evolutionary process. I have no problem stating that anyone
outside this view is in my own opinion, a moron.
again, just my opinion.It's certainly looking that way isn't it?........and this is because of the
*middle* I was talking about. We don't have the balls to stand up and fight
anymore and the enemies of this country know that all they need to do is
wait for the leftists to get their various *activist movements* in gear and
undermine the military effort while spouting off their quasitreasonous crap
while wrapping it in pseudopatriotic bullshit.
It's as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bssgh1pu1n27anqr51elceg798jqjcdggq@4ax.com...
> but we are fighting a half assed war in a half assed fashion just as
> we did in vietnam.
>
>
> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:14:46 -0600, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The middle
would
> >work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly acknowledge
> >and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as serious as
> >WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you can't fight
a
> >war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you first
> >acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
> >
> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
> >> "perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I see and
> >> seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me." kinda
> >> sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes the
> >> norm.
> >>
> >> :o(
> >>
> >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I am
> >> >stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every anti-industry
> >> >viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I do
question
> >> >both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might discover
> >that
> >> >I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the least
> >> >dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the middle
> >that
> >> >looks reasonable to me.
> >> >
> >> >"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message news:43174724$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just reinforced the
> >> >stereotype
> >> >> of someone who works in the industry.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new White
> >House
> >> >> >sponsored
> >> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to reduce
> >> >> >America's
> >> >> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global warming,
> >fails
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy, and fails
to
> >help
> >> >> >consumers
> >> >> >> at the gas pump.
> >> >> >> What it did do includes:
> >> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
> >construction
> >> >> >activities
> >> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
> >> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of oil per
day
> >in
> >> >> >2014
> >> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
> >> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry. (Who
are
> >all
> >> >> >showing
> >> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
> >> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest giveaway
of
> >all
> >> >> >time.)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to list but
my
> >> >> >personal
> >> >> >> favorites are:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to
> >compensate
> >> >> for
> >> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which studies have
> >> >> >concluded
> >> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
> >> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will give you
> >$800
> >> >> >million
> >> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has
considerable
> >> >> >holdings
> >> >> >> in one of the companies.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby *insisted* on
> >the
> >> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain emissions
levels.
> >It
> >> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns out it
was
> >> >bad
> >> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when they only
> >did
> >> >> it
> >> >> >because it was federally mandated.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge, but also
> >> >similar
> >> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney family
> >has
> >> >> >future
> >> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern slope
of
> >> >the
> >> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right outside of
> >> >Glacier
> >> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The fact
that
> >> >Cheney
> >> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney, but
he's
> >> >from
> >> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four generations
ago
> >just
> >> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas prices.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with him
> >before.
> >> >> If
> >> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good thing to
get
> >to
> >> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its the
> >> >Halliburton
> >> >> >thing, right?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business you
> >would
> >> >> have
> >> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its energy
> >> >> >efficiency.
> >> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a
business,
> >> >you
> >> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the IRS.
> >> >(Public
> >> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree huggers.
(Just
> >a
> >> >> >little perspective)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >;o)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Gene
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our
> >absolute
> >> >> >reliance
> >> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are
negatively
> >> >> >effected
> >> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us to
the
> >> >large
> >> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick
diplomacy.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the
road.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea that
we
> >> >must
> >> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy
suppliers
> >to
> >> >> help
> >> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This will
help
> >> >make
> >> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we
> >completely
> >> >> >run
> >> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health
issues
> >> >and
> >> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this
already
> >> >> >started.
> >> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy
> >> >independence,
> >> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
> >> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually cares
more
> >> >about
> >> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
> >> >> >> Gene
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>first, we don't have the manpower to pull off what would be need to be
done.
second, we'd have to lose the "nice guy" approach to a war of this
kind.
third, i believe all sides have the not only the right but the duty to
speak up. imho, it's when the middle says and does nothing is when
you get a sadam or hitler...cuz it's only the extremes who do all the
talking and taking.
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:41:22 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>It's certainly looking that way isn't it?........and this is because of the
>*middle* I was talking about. We don't have the balls to stand up and fight
>anymore and the enemies of this country know that all they need to do is
>wait for the leftists to get their various *activist movements* in gear and
>undermine the military effort while spouting off their quasitreasonous crap
>while wrapping it in pseudopatriotic bullshit.
>
>It's as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:bssgh1pu1n27anqr51elceg798jqjcdggq@4ax.com...
>> but we are fighting a half assed war in a half assed fashion just as
>> we did in vietnam.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:14:46 -0600, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The middle
>would
>> >work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly acknowledge
>> >and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as serious as
>> >WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you can't fight
>a
>> >war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you first
>> >acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
>> >
>> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
>> >> "perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I see and
>> >> seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me." kinda
>> >> sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes the
>> >> norm.
>> >>
>> >> :o(
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
>> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I am
>> >> >stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every anti-industry
>> >> >viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I do
>question
>> >> >both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might discover
>> >that
>> >> >I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the least
>> >> >dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the middle
>> >that
>> >> >looks reasonable to me.
>> >> >
>> >> >"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message news:43174724$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just reinforced the
>> >> >stereotype
>> >> >> of someone who works in the industry.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new White
>> >House
>> >> >> >sponsored
>> >> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to reduce
>> >> >> >America's
>> >> >> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global warming,
>> >fails
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy, and fails
>to
>> >help
>> >> >> >consumers
>> >> >> >> at the gas pump.
>> >> >> >> What it did do includes:
>> >> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
>> >construction
>> >> >> >activities
>> >> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
>> >> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of oil per
>day
>> >in
>> >> >> >2014
>> >> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
>> >> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry. (Who
>are
>> >all
>> >> >> >showing
>> >> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
>> >> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest giveaway
>of
>> >all
>> >> >> >time.)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to list but
>my
>> >> >> >personal
>> >> >> >> favorites are:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to
>> >compensate
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which studies have
>> >> >> >concluded
>> >> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
>> >> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will give you
>> >$800
>> >> >> >million
>> >> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has
>considerable
>> >> >> >holdings
>> >> >> >> in one of the companies.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby *insisted* on
>> >the
>> >> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain emissions
>levels.
>> >It
>> >> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns out it
>was
>> >> >bad
>> >> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when they only
>> >did
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> >because it was federally mandated.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge, but also
>> >> >similar
>> >> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney family
>> >has
>> >> >> >future
>> >> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern slope
>of
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right outside of
>> >> >Glacier
>> >> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The fact
>that
>> >> >Cheney
>> >> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney, but
>he's
>> >> >from
>> >> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four generations
>ago
>> >just
>> >> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas prices.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with him
>> >before.
>> >> >> If
>> >> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good thing to
>get
>> >to
>> >> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its the
>> >> >Halliburton
>> >> >> >thing, right?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business you
>> >would
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its energy
>> >> >> >efficiency.
>> >> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a
>business,
>> >> >you
>> >> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the IRS.
>> >> >(Public
>> >> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree huggers.
>(Just
>> >a
>> >> >> >little perspective)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >;o)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Gene
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our
>> >absolute
>> >> >> >reliance
>> >> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are
>negatively
>> >> >> >effected
>> >> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us to
>the
>> >> >large
>> >> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick
>diplomacy.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the
>road.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea that
>we
>> >> >must
>> >> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy
>suppliers
>> >to
>> >> >> help
>> >> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This will
>help
>> >> >make
>> >> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we
>> >completely
>> >> >> >run
>> >> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health
>issues
>> >> >and
>> >> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this
>already
>> >> >> >started.
>> >> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy
>> >> >independence,
>> >> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
>> >> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually cares
>more
>> >> >about
>> >> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
>> >> >> >> Gene
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>While I respect your opinion, you are guessing what another person thinks
without knowing them personally, much less their thoughts. Without knowing
someone's thoughts and intent first hand, your opinion isn't necessarily
true. If you portray that person in a negative light without that
knowledge, it is slander, or at best gossip. Even stating the truth about
someone else without permission is gossip.
> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it. Policy
> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
Your last three statements here were not just "I think", but stated as fact.
But enough statement analysis... Suffice it to say, if there is a chance our
opinions of others could be wrong, they are better left unsaid. We all do
it though. It is a hard temptation to resist, especially when we feel
personal frustration. I do it too, sadly.
You also seem to have a rather negative impression of Christians. A faith
not practiced in daily life isn't faith, but a set of beliefs adopted as a
hobby. You state religion is a crutch, but that is a sweeping
generalization. For some that may be true, but let's be clear about the
distinction between religions as organizations and faith as a belief in a
God. Religion is a perspective on a belief systems adopted by people.
Faith is rooted in the very heart and soul, not the head or intellect.
Faith is a two way street - without God to guide me, my faith would be
useless. At the same time, if I didn't believe God would guide me, it would
also be meaningless.
Faith requires action, or it is just lip service ("Faith without works is
dead"). To act on religious laws or mandates is no different than acting
under corporate guidelines - it doesn't take faith in God to follow a few
rules, traditions or practices. Acting on faith as a Christian is between
the believer and God, based on God's own word (the Bible and prayer). Other
religions may claim the same communicative guidance, but my faith as a
Christian would be meaningless if I believed all religions were another form
of the truth, or if mine were just my personal interpretation, open for
variation, moderation and alteration at the whim of peers, society, a
religious organization, or those that disagree with me. If there is no
absolute truth, there is no absolute wrong. Simple logic tells us there has
to be some absolutes, or we will slide into complete chaos. So where do
those absolutes come from? God of course - through the Bible.
The Bible is clear about homosexuality being wrong, as well as all sin
(lying, cheating, stealing, etc, etc, etc). I don't condemn homosexuals as
fellow citizens, friends and human beings but that doesn't somehow make it
"right" in a relative sense (i.e. only wrong "for me", but "right" for
them). From a Christian perspective, passing legislation to support and (in
effect) promote what is clearly stated as wrong in God's word is dangerous
for us as a country, not just people choosing that lifestyle - that's why it
enters politics, whether you believe it should be there or not (faith
without works...). It isn't about "pushing our beliefs on everyone else".
It is about seeing Sodom and Gomorrah (Babylon, Rome, etc) re-enacted over
and over throughout history as societies accept more and more decadent
behavior. We just don't want to see our country go down the same path by
making such Biblically stated sin issues a nationally supported belief
anymore than you want Christianity to become the national religion. You
wouldn't want a law passed requiring that rapists be given right to appeal
custody of a resulting child would you (I hope there isn't such a law
already, but who knows...)? Of course not. But here is the point - without
a moral basis, we have no line to draw where one action is okay, and another
isn't - it all become relative to personal interpretation and preference -
that includes murder, rape, incest, stealing, torture, genocide, etc, etc.
So, President Bush stands up for what he believes in his workplace -
politics. Others do the same. To say he shouldn't because his beliefs are
Christian beliefs would be denying Christians the freedom we are supposed to
allow non-Christians.
As far as Iraq - we may never know exactly what the true reason "in the
grand scheme of things" was for this war - i.e. WMD seemed to be a decent
reason, but there were none found (probably in Syria). However, every
soldier returning from Iraq that I have talked to has said the Iraqis
welcome the change, even at the price they are paying. I could post quotes
and stories that would really make you think that there was a reason for
this well beyond and more significant than WMD, but time is short for me
today. My belief, and this isn't justification, is that Iraq will play a
strategic role in the future in some event we don't know about - left to
Saddam it could have been catastrophic, but maybe not by his hand, just as a
part of the puzzle of the world's stage.
Whether you believe in God or not, He does lead people today, and He does
put events into motion for His purposes. Perhaps Iraq had nothing to do
with future defense or terrorism concerns, but simply the ability of a
people to have a chance at true freedom.
> "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I
> sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know
> it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
This is a basic faith concept for Christians. Running for President isn't
common, but many of us, if not most or all, follow this very same leading
every day - often into very risky and unknown territory, knowing the risk to
our families and even our lives could be at stake - but doing it for God's
glory and reasons, not ours. That is faith - being willing to do things
that aren't popular without regard for social, political or financial
standing, or even one's own life. I hadn't heard this exact quote, but in a
way, it's putting pieces of a puzzle together for me - likely to an opposite
conclusion from the one you seem to be drawing.
Without first hand, personal knowledge of someone's intent, heart and mind,
we only know them by the way we perceive them through news blurbs, sound
bites and late-night talk shows. I have yet to see anyone on this forum
support believing everything you think you see or hear in the news, much
less believing your perception is accurate.
I know pastors and Christians that personally spend time with President
Bush, and have with other presidents (Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Nixon, etc),
and I have met some of these men, heard them speak, read their books, etc.
There is a different picture painted of these Presidents than the one you
are demonstrating - it is one of real people trying to do their best to lead
our country. These aren't perfect people or perfect leaders, but no one on
this forum is any more perfect either.
The key to Christian faith is grace. God's grace gave us a way to reach Him
through the sacrifice of His son, and offering us forgiveness through His
own sacrifice, if we only ask for it. By the same measure of grace we as
Christians are given the challenge to reach out to the rest of the world
with God's love to share that very same message with our speech, our
actions, and our lives - not through hatred, judgement or condemnation.
Satan loves to twist that message around, and indeed the intent of
well-meaning Christians - what better way to destroy God's design than to
discredit His followers, if not dishearten or overtake them?
Thanks for your time jp, or anyone else that read this lonnnnnggg post.
Back to work, and best regards.
Dedric
in article 4318939f@linux, jp at no@mail.please wrote on 9/2/05 1:01 PM:
>
> "DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
> news:BF3DC8FD.401F%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>> jp - Your climatology insight is fairly well reasoned. Your post script
>> is
>> yet more politically opinionated slander. Sorry, it's true. GWB doesn't
>> see himself as the "Armaggedon" president. That's just ridiculous
>> extrapolated hyperbole.
>
> Let me make one thing clear. Slander is creating false statements for the
> purpose of swaying ones opinion of a person or entity. I don't see how my
> quote...
>
> "I think this theory is now fact. I think Bush truly believes he is the
> "Armageddon" president, and that he and his believers will be picked up buy
> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it. Policy
> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
>
> ...is false in any way shape or form, unless of course YOU actually know
> what I think better than I. This is my personal opinion, is stated as my
> personal opinion, and is backed by my own research. Quotes such as this:
>
> "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I
> sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know
> it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
>
> "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed
> me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to
> solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not,
> the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
>
> as well as my own interpretation of Bush's reaction to disaster, leads me to
> this opinion.
>
> I accept that you don't agree with my opinion, but it is no more slanderous
> than George W. Bush's own comments on Homosexuality are slanderous to those
> who choose to practice alternative lifestyles.
>
> I also believe that the majority of organized religions were spawned as a
> crutch to deal with the fact that as human's we have become temporally
> aware, and therefore aware of not only our own existence, but aware of our
> own termination. I believe many religions are filled with people who are
> simply sheep, following the herd, without really analyzing what the herd
> actually stands for. These are the idiots I speak about. You may agree, and
> exclude yourself from this flock, or you may disagree, but my beliefs will
> remain steadfast. IMOHO George W. Bush is a Bible toting moron.
>
> I believe in God, but I believe that God is far beyond human comprehension
> (in fact He is beyond the limits of time itself). I believe most religions
> attempt to humanize GOD in order to understand him. This is the issue with
> religion that I find appalling. I believe that there is room for both an
> creator and evolutionary process. I have no problem stating that anyone
> outside this view is in my own opinion, a moron.
>
> again, just my opinion.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html
I am not a partisan person. I wish to god we could have a discussion about
what is going on in the world without all the sanctimony and
self-righteousness.
This link is to a CNN compare/contrast piece which succinctly summarizes the
radical disconnect between the Feds and reality over the last few days.
I repeat: heads will roll. I have a feeling they will include the head of
FEMA, Micheal Brown.
I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this horrible
mess, but I will watch with full attention as certain public officials are
excoriated over this. Some of these folks will be pariahs for a long time to
come.
JimmySeymour Duncan makes a couple of humbucking models that fit in the single
coil pickup space. I have one in the bridge position of my strat that I love.
Don't remember which model it is. Be warned though, they sound like a humbucker
not a single coil.
-Dave
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>1. What's a good plugin for noise removal? Anything that will work in Paris?
>Standalone?
>
>2.What are my options for replacing one or both pickups in my Telecaster
>with humbuckers? I love the way my guitar sounds, and wouldn't want to
>necessarily change the sound itself, but I sure would love to kill the
>noise...
>
>I play through an old silver-face Fender Twin that a local amp guru has
>rewired to black-face specs. It sounds amazing, and it's in top shape, but
>I'd love to get that Tele-Twin combo a little quieter...
>
>Jimmy
>
>I agree.....and because the middle did nothing, the war that started in 1991
never ended.
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:26ahh19c5chmg8si9bhcluuakm6ibg3eo6@4ax.com...
> first, we don't have the manpower to pull off what would be need to be
> done.
> second, we'd have to lose the "nice guy" approach to a war of this
> kind.
> third, i believe all sides have the not only the right but the duty to
> speak up. imho, it's when the middle says and does nothing is when
> you get a sadam or hitler...cuz it's only the extremes who do all the
> talking and taking.
>
> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:41:22 -0600, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >It's certainly looking that way isn't it?........and this is because of
the
> >*middle* I was talking about. We don't have the balls to stand up and
fight
> >anymore and the enemies of this country know that all they need to do is
> >wait for the leftists to get their various *activist movements* in gear
and
> >undermine the military effort while spouting off their quasitreasonous
crap
> >while wrapping it in pseudopatriotic bullshit.
> >
> >It's as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
> >
> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:bssgh1pu1n27anqr51elceg798jqjcdggq@4ax.com...
> >> but we are fighting a half assed war in a half assed fashion just as
> >> we did in vietnam.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:14:46 -0600, "DJ"
> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The middle
> >would
> >> >work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly
acknowledge
> >> >and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as serious
as
> >> >WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you can't
fight
> >a
> >> >war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you first
> >> >acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
> >> >
> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
> >> >> "perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I see and
> >> >> seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me."
kinda
> >> >> sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes the
> >> >> norm.
> >> >>
> >> >> :o(
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I am
> >> >> >stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every anti-industry
> >> >> >viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I do
> >question
> >> >> >both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might
discover
> >> >that
> >> >> >I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the
least
> >> >> >dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the
middle
> >> >that
> >> >> >looks reasonable to me.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message news:43174724$1@linux...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just reinforced the
> >> >> >stereotype
> >> >> >> of someone who works in the industry.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new
White
> >> >House
> >> >> >> >sponsored
> >> >> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to
reduce
> >> >> >> >America's
> >> >> >> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global
warming,
> >> >fails
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy, and
fails
> >to
> >> >help
> >> >> >> >consumers
> >> >> >> >> at the gas pump.
> >> >> >> >> What it did do includes:
> >> >> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
> >> >construction
> >> >> >> >activities
> >> >> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
> >> >> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of oil
per
> >day
> >> >in
> >> >> >> >2014
> >> >> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
> >> >> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry. (Who
> >are
> >> >all
> >> >> >> >showing
> >> >> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
> >> >> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest
giveaway
> >of
> >> >all
> >> >> >> >time.)
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to list
but
> >my
> >> >> >> >personal
> >> >> >> >> favorites are:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to
> >> >compensate
> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which studies
have
> >> >> >> >concluded
> >> >> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
> >> >> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will give
you
> >> >$800
> >> >> >> >million
> >> >> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has
> >considerable
> >> >> >> >holdings
> >> >> >> >> in one of the companies.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby *insisted*
on
> >> >the
> >> >> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain emissions
> >levels.
> >> >It
> >> >> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns out
it
> >was
> >> >> >bad
> >> >> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when they
only
> >> >did
> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >because it was federally mandated.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge, but
also
> >> >> >similar
> >> >> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney
family
> >> >has
> >> >> >> >future
> >> >> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern
slope
> >of
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right outside
of
> >> >> >Glacier
> >> >> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The fact
> >that
> >> >> >Cheney
> >> >> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney,
but
> >he's
> >> >> >from
> >> >> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four generations
> >ago
> >> >just
> >> >> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas
prices.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with
him
> >> >before.
> >> >> >> If
> >> >> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good thing
to
> >get
> >> >to
> >> >> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its the
> >> >> >Halliburton
> >> >> >> >thing, right?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business
you
> >> >would
> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its
energy
> >> >> >> >efficiency.
> >> >> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a
> >business,
> >> >> >you
> >> >> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the
IRS.
> >> >> >(Public
> >> >> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree huggers.
> >(Just
> >> >a
> >> >> >> >little perspective)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >;o)
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Gene
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our
> >> >absolute
> >> >> >> >reliance
> >> >> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are
> >negatively
> >> >> >> >effected
> >> >> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us
to
> >the
> >> >> >large
> >> >> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick
> >diplomacy.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the
> >road.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea
that
> >we
> >> >> >must
> >> >> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy
> >suppliers
> >> >to
> >> >> >> help
> >> >> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This
will
> >help
> >> >> >make
> >> >> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we
> >> >completely
> >> >> >> >run
> >> >> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health
> >issues
> >> >> >and
> >> >> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this
> >already
> >> >> >> >started.
> >> >> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy
> >> >> >independence,
> >> >> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
> >> >> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually
cares
> >more
> >> >> >about
> >> >> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
> >> >> >> >> Gene
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>Hi Dimitrios,
I've been watching this one too. so - doesn't work with XP? Doesn't work
internally
within the same machine? My hope is to run Nuendo and then bus groups or
channels to Paris for my favorite Paris 'punch'.
Cheers,
David.
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:43188742@linux...
> Dear Kim,
> There is only a specific version of Wormhole that works under Paris in
> synced mode.
> In order to have the inntanses synced you have to wrap wormhole with
console
> wrapper.
> I tried all wrappers, none else sends syncing information or at least
> syncing information that wormhole can grab.
> I manage to have around 8 instances of wormhole playing in sync.
> It is not a perfect world with Paris though.
> Under Me console does not save its environement but you can save from
within
> console and load so you can load it after Paris has been opened.
> I ahev once tried and played with vst instruments from within console with
> some success but was waiting for a console update to have MTC support not
> only midiclock.
> There are great possibilities but you need time for experiment.
> It is not the magic solution but someone can use paris one card system for
> realtime mixing device running his cubase program from another pc over
> lan...
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43180ecc$1@linux...
> >
> >
> > Hmm, it's only $50US... I'm very tempted. ;o)
> >
> > What's the cost of this Console wrapper. Did a quick google. I take it
> this
> > is it at $54...
> >
> > http://www.kvraudio.com/get/267.html ?
> >
> > So it's $104US for the whole shebang. Not too shabby at all...
> >
> > I have been, in my mental peripheral vision, partly aware that you've
been
> > working on this. It does sound interesting. I don't mean to be a pain,
but
> > could you take us through exactly what you've acheived here? Why
Console?
> > Are you running VSTi's in Cubase on another box over the LAN interfacing
> > back to Paris? I read talk somewhere that Console can clock to MIDI...?
> >
> > What exactly are you able to do with this setup?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kim.
> >
> > "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> > >Hi,
> > >After some good tries I came up with a paris wormhole version.
> > >There is one specific version (which Adrian from wormhole has tailored
to
> > >our needs) that will work best with Paris.
> > >It works under Me and I can have at least 8 tracks of fully synced
audio
> > >tracks coming from second computer via lan.
> > >You have to use though console wrapper as it is the only yet that sends
> > >syncing information.
> > >I wanna know when I finally test this baby that he will get some
support
> > >from us.
> > >We have to buy some of us (I have already) ) to justify all his extra
> > >efforts he made for us.
> > >It is cheap anyway...
> > >Please respond with some positive interest in buying.
> > >Afterall you will get fuller versions with updates for other systems
that
> > >work great along with Paris version.
> > >Come on guys we don't expect people to work for us and have nothing for
> > >return...
> > >This way we may keep Paris alive for years (I hope) to come...
> > >Regards,
> > >Dimitrios
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbclgobal.net> wrote:
>
>Agree with you Jimmy;I think some heads are gonna roll.When you
>see Bush saying the response has been "unacceptable";whether or
>not that means he is taking any blame there are bound to be
>changes as there should be.
>
Haven't you figured out yet that when people in The Bush administration screw
up they get promoted?BTW-I wonder where old Dick Cheney is.He's been real
visible during this crisis.
It was also a real good thing that Bush repealed the wetlands act
that Clinton had implimented. N.O. is surrounded by wetlands that
are being devloped and not preserved. I have heard that from a number of
friends there-sooo-This was bound to happen
BTW I can't blame Bush personally because there are lots of
people at fault here including the Govenor of La and many other people both
democrats and republicans but Bush was pretty
insensitive addressing this crisis just yesterday after doing
another iraq dog and Pony show the other day
As far as the religious rants here I stay out of that stuff.
JMtrue, cuz they felt the whatever right would never lie to them. hey,
everybody lies about everything if they see a big enough benefit for
themselves for whatever reason...and i gots 40 centuries of history on
my side for this statement.
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:33:20 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I agree.....and because the middle did nothing, the war that started in 1991
>never ended.
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:26ahh19c5chmg8si9bhcluuakm6ibg3eo6@4ax.com...
>> first, we don't have the manpower to pull off what would be need to be
>> done.
>> second, we'd have to lose the "nice guy" approach to a war of this
>> kind.
>> third, i believe all sides have the not only the right but the duty to
>> speak up. imho, it's when the middle says and does nothing is when
>> you get a sadam or hitler...cuz it's only the extremes who do all the
>> talking and taking.
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:41:22 -0600, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >It's certainly looking that way isn't it?........and this is because of
>the
>> >*middle* I was talking about. We don't have the balls to stand up and
>fight
>> >anymore and the enemies of this country know that all they need to do is
>> >wait for the leftists to get their various *activist movements* in gear
>and
>> >undermine the military effort while spouting off their quasitreasonous
>crap
>> >while wrapping it in pseudopatriotic bullshit.
>> >
>> >It's as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
>> >
>> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:bssgh1pu1n27anqr51elceg798jqjcdggq@4ax.com...
>> >> but we are fighting a half assed war in a half assed fashion just as
>> >> we did in vietnam.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:14:46 -0600, "DJ"
>> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The middle
>> >would
>> >> >work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly
>acknowledge
>> >> >and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as serious
>as
>> >> >WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you can't
>fight
>> >a
>> >> >war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you first
>> >> >acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
>> >> >
>> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
>> >> >> "perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I see and
>> >> >> seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me."
>kinda
>> >> >> sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes the
>> >> >> norm.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> :o(
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
>> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I am
>> >> >> >stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every anti-industry
>> >> >> >viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I do
>> >question
>> >> >> >both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might
>discover
>> >> >that
>> >> >> >I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the
>least
>> >> >> >dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the
>middle
>> >> >that
>> >> >> >looks reasonable to me.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message news:43174724$1@linux...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just reinforced the
>> >> >> >stereotype
>> >> >> >> of someone who works in the industry.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new
>White
>> >> >House
>> >> >> >> >sponsored
>> >> >> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to
>reduce
>> >> >> >> >America's
>> >> >> >> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global
>warming,
>> >> >fails
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy, and
>fails
>> >to
>> >> >help
>> >> >> >> >consumers
>> >> >> >> >> at the gas pump.
>> >> >> >> >> What it did do includes:
>> >> >> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
>> >> >construction
>> >> >> >> >activities
>> >> >> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
>> >> >> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of oil
>per
>> >day
>> >> >in
>> >> >> >> >2014
>> >> >> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
>> >> >> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry. (Who
>> >are
>> >> >all
>> >> >> >> >showing
>> >> >> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
>> >> >> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest
>giveaway
>> >of
>> >> >all
>> >> >> >> >time.)
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to list
>but
>> >my
>> >> >> >> >personal
>> >> >> >> >> favorites are:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to
>> >> >compensate
>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which studies
>have
>> >> >> >> >concluded
>> >> >> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
>> >> >> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will give
>you
>> >> >$800
>> >> >> >> >million
>> >> >> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has
>> >considerable
>> >> >> >> >holdings
>> >> >> >> >> in one of the companies.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby *insisted*
>on
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain emissions
>> >levels.
>> >> >It
>> >> >> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns out
>it
>> >was
>> >> >> >bad
>> >> >> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when they
>only
>> >> >did
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >because it was federally mandated.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge, but
>also
>> >> >> >similar
>> >> >> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney
>family
>> >> >has
>> >> >> >> >future
>> >> >> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern
>slope
>> >of
>> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right outside
>of
>> >> >> >Glacier
>> >> >> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The fact
>> >that
>> >> >> >Cheney
>> >> >> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney,
>but
>> >he's
>> >> >> >from
>> >> >> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four generations
>> >ago
>> >> >just
>> >> >> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas
>prices.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with
>him
>> >> >before.
>> >> >> >> If
>> >> >> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good thing
>to
>> >get
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its the
>> >> >> >Halliburton
>> >> >> >> >thing, right?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business
>you
>> >> >would
>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its
>energy
>> >> >> >> >efficiency.
>> >> >> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a
>> >business,
>> >> >> >you
>> >> >> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from the
>IRS.
>> >> >> >(Public
>> >> >> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax loophole.)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree huggers.
>> >(Just
>> >> >a
>> >> >> >> >little perspective)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >;o)
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Gene
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is our
>> >> >absolute
>> >> >> >> >reliance
>> >> >> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are
>> >negatively
>> >> >> >> >effected
>> >> >> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves us
>to
>> >the
>> >> >> >large
>> >> >> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick
>> >diplomacy.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in the
>> >road.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the idea
>that
>> >we
>> >> >> >must
>> >> >> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy
>> >suppliers
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >> help
>> >> >> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This
>will
>> >help
>> >> >> >make
>> >> >> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before we
>> >> >completely
>> >> >> >> >run
>> >> >> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous health
>> >issues
>> >> >> >and
>> >> >> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this
>> >already
>> >> >> >> >started.
>> >> >> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and energy
>> >> >> >independence,
>> >> >> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us now.
>> >> >> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually
>cares
>> >more
>> >> >> >about
>> >> >> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
>> >> >> >> >> Gene
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>"I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
horrible" by a promise to remove government from our lives. good bad
or indifferent, it is what it is...luckily we have a 2 minute memory
and in a couple of years this will all be a remember when...thing.
except for those who are still being affected by it.
>mess,
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:32:36 -0400, "uptown jimmy"
<johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html
>
>I am not a partisan person. I wish to god we could have a discussion about
>what is going on in the world without all the sanctimony and
>self-righteousness.
>
>This link is to a CNN compare/contrast piece which succinctly summarizes the
>radical disconnect between the Feds and reality over the last few days.
>
>I repeat: heads will roll. I have a feeling they will include the head of
>FEMA, Micheal Brown.
>
>I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this horrible
>mess, but I will watch with full attention as certain public officials are
>excoriated over this. Some of these folks will be pariahs for a long time to
>come.
>
>Jimmy
>
>
>Hmmmm........I agree with the 40 centuries thing. As for the lying, maybe we
should look at who was doing the lying......like the UN, the French, Sadaam,
quite a few scumbags of various ilk here and in other countries, including
our own Oscar Wyatt of Coastal Energy and ol' whatsisname who never had
sexual relations with that woman........ depending on what the meaning of
"is" is, of course, his criminal buddy Mark Rich whom he pardoned and whose
wife is Hilary's good buddy.......and so on. If Mr. Bill would have been
minding the store, there wouldn't have been a Sadaam or any of this Iraq
crap now because he could have attended to it through the UN (theoretically)
before the was was so conveniently forgotten and Sadaam had a chance to
bribe his way out of the sanctions.
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2onhh1dlam54a0u1i9t7g64rbcfjspl94m@4ax.com...
> true, cuz they felt the whatever right would never lie to them. hey,
> everybody lies about everything if they see a big enough benefit for
> themselves for whatever reason...and i gots 40 centuries of history on
> my side for this statement.
>
> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:33:20 -0600, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >I agree.....and because the middle did nothing, the war that started in
1991
> >never ended.
> >
> >
> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:26ahh19c5chmg8si9bhcluuakm6ibg3eo6@4ax.com...
> >> first, we don't have the manpower to pull off what would be need to be
> >> done.
> >> second, we'd have to lose the "nice guy" approach to a war of this
> >> kind.
> >> third, i believe all sides have the not only the right but the duty to
> >> speak up. imho, it's when the middle says and does nothing is when
> >> you get a sadam or hitler...cuz it's only the extremes who do all the
> >> talking and taking.
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:41:22 -0600, "DJ"
> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >It's certainly looking that way isn't it?........and this is because
of
> >the
> >> >*middle* I was talking about. We don't have the balls to stand up and
> >fight
> >> >anymore and the enemies of this country know that all they need to do
is
> >> >wait for the leftists to get their various *activist movements* in
gear
> >and
> >> >undermine the military effort while spouting off their quasitreasonous
> >crap
> >> >while wrapping it in pseudopatriotic bullshit.
> >> >
> >> >It's as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
> >> >
> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:bssgh1pu1n27anqr51elceg798jqjcdggq@4ax.com...
> >> >> but we are fighting a half assed war in a half assed fashion just as
> >> >> we did in vietnam.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:14:46 -0600, "DJ"
> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The
middle
> >> >would
> >> >> >work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly
> >acknowledge
> >> >> >and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as
serious
> >as
> >> >> >WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you can't
> >fight
> >> >a
> >> >> >war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you first
> >> >> >acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> "perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I see
and
> >> >> >> seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me."
> >kinda
> >> >> >> sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes
the
> >> >> >> norm.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> :o(
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
> >> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I
am
> >> >> >> >stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every
anti-industry
> >> >> >> >viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I do
> >> >question
> >> >> >> >both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might
> >discover
> >> >> >that
> >> >> >> >I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the
> >least
> >> >> >> >dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the
> >middle
> >> >> >that
> >> >> >> >looks reasonable to me.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message news:43174724$1@linux...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just reinforced
the
> >> >> >> >stereotype
> >> >> >> >> of someone who works in the industry.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new
> >White
> >> >> >House
> >> >> >> >> >sponsored
> >> >> >> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to
> >reduce
> >> >> >> >> >America's
> >> >> >> >> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global
> >warming,
> >> >> >fails
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy, and
> >fails
> >> >to
> >> >> >help
> >> >> >> >> >consumers
> >> >> >> >> >> at the gas pump.
> >> >> >> >> >> What it did do includes:
> >> >> >> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
> >> >> >construction
> >> >> >> >> >activities
> >> >> >> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
> >> >> >> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of
oil
> >per
> >> >day
> >> >> >in
> >> >> >> >> >2014
> >> >> >> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
> >> >> >> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry.
(Who
> >> >are
> >> >> >all
> >> >> >> >> >showing
> >> >> >> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
> >> >> >> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest
> >giveaway
> >> >of
> >> >> >all
> >> >> >> >> >time.)
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to
list
> >but
> >> >my
> >> >> >> >> >personal
> >> >> >> >> >> favorites are:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to
> >> >> >compensate
> >> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which
studies
> >have
> >> >> >> >> >concluded
> >> >> >> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
> >> >> >> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will
give
> >you
> >> >> >$800
> >> >> >> >> >million
> >> >> >> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has
> >> >considerable
> >> >> >> >> >holdings
> >> >> >> >> >> in one of the companies.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby
*insisted*
> >on
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain
emissions
> >> >levels.
> >> >> >It
> >> >> >> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns
out
> >it
> >> >was
> >> >> >> >bad
> >> >> >> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when
they
> >only
> >> >> >did
> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> >because it was federally mandated.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge,
but
> >also
> >> >> >> >similar
> >> >> >> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney
> >family
> >> >> >has
> >> >> >> >> >future
> >> >> >> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern
> >slope
> >> >of
> >> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right
outside
> >of
> >> >> >> >Glacier
> >> >> >> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The
fact
> >> >that
> >> >> >> >Cheney
> >> >> >> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney,
> >but
> >> >he's
> >> >> >> >from
> >> >> >> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four
generations
> >> >ago
> >> >> >just
> >> >> >> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas
> >prices.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with
> >him
> >> >> >before.
> >> >> >> >> If
> >> >> >> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good
thing
> >to
> >> >get
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its
the
> >> >> >> >Halliburton
> >> >> >> >> >thing, right?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business
> >you
> >> >> >would
> >> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its
> >energy
> >> >> >> >> >efficiency.
> >> >> >> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a
> >> >business,
> >> >> >> >you
> >> >> >> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from
the
> >IRS.
> >> >> >> >(Public
> >> >> >> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax
loophole.)
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree
huggers.
> >> >(Just
> >> >> >a
> >> >> >> >> >little perspective)
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >;o)
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Gene
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is
our
> >> >> >absolute
> >> >> >> >> >reliance
> >> >> >> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are
> >> >negatively
> >> >> >> >> >effected
> >> >> >> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves
us
> >to
> >> >the
> >> >> >> >large
> >> >> >> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick
> >> >diplomacy.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in
the
> >> >road.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the
idea
> >that
> >> >we
> >> >> >> >must
> >> >> >> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy
> >> >suppliers
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >> help
> >> >> >> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This
> >will
> >> >help
> >> >> >> >make
> >> >> >> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before
we
> >> >> >completely
> >> >> >> >> >run
> >> >> >> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous
health
> >> >issues
> >> >> >> >and
> >> >> >> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this
> >> >already
> >> >> >> >> >started.
> >> >> >> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and
energy
> >> >> >> >independence,
> >> >> >> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us
now.
> >> >> >> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually
> >cares
> >> >more
> >> >> >> >about
> >> >> >> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
> >> >> >> >> >> Gene
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>I am not moving my drives WHILE they are running.
>John
Hehe, no I expect not. Neither was I though when my drive went the time I
moved house. I just think drives prefer not to be moved if they can help
it. Mind you it probably wont kill them, but personally I'd rather avoid
the probably...
Cheers,
Kim.I agree that this was pretty awful. Was it FEMA's fault? I don't know. How
effective would it have been to rush a bunch of stuff in there only to have
it be destroyed in a flood or commandeered by looters? I don't think anyone
knew what was going to happen, but if anyone should have had a reading on
this and their finger on the pulse of the whole thing, it should have been
local and state officials first off. I saw the evacuation announcement by
the mayor of NO. It wasn't persuasive at all and it was wayyyyy too late. He
should have had emergency personnel out in the neighborhoods convincing
community leaders to get onboard with a real evacuation. It's pretty obvious
that no one wanted to leave because they were afraid that if they did,
they'd lose their possessions to thieves......which is what happened anyway.
If you've ever lived in New Orleans, you know that the crime rate is bad and
if you don't cover your own ass right then and there, it's going to be too
little, too late when the cops show up. In the absence of a huge push from
local authorities, I can understand why these folks didn't want to leave.
The planning was bad, but the beginning of the disaster lies with the local
political machine.
What I'm wondering about is who made the decision that a category 3 levee
was going to be sufficient to protect the city.
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kvnhh19njal98ijoj49su29ldlai0e7snq@4ax.com...
> "I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
> horrible" by a promise to remove government from our lives. good bad
> or indifferent, it is what it is...luckily we have a 2 minute memory
> and in a couple of years this will all be a remember when...thing.
> except for those who are still being affected by it.
>
>
> >mess,
>
> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:32:36 -0400, "uptown jimmy"
> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html
> >
> >I am not a partisan person. I wish to god we could have a discussion
about
> >what is going on in the world without all the sanctimony and
> >self-righteousness.
> >
> >This link is to a CNN compare/contrast piece which succinctly summarizes
the
> >radical disconnect between the Feds and reality over the last few days.
> >
> >I repeat: heads will roll. I have a feeling they will include the head of
> >FEMA, Micheal Brown.
> >
> >I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
horrible
> >mess, but I will watch with full attention as certain public officials
are
> >excoriated over this. Some of these folks will be pariahs for a long time
to
> >come.
> >
> >Jimmy
> >
> >
> >
>He ought to get a medal. And perhaps a job running the evac.
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-th e-Astrodome
DC"Russ" <riverbed@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>How do u do a prefetch bat???
The batch file is just a text file with that line in it. Simply open notepad,
and type in the first line:
del C:\Windows\Prefetch\*.* /q
....obviously modify your path if Windows is installed on a different drive
or directory.
Then Save As "Prefetch.bat" and put it in your windows Startup folder, which
from memory can be done by saving it at the location (by default) C:\Documents
and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup... or something like
that.
Then you're done.
Oh, and make sure that Windows hasn't in it's wisdom saved it as Prefetch.bat.txt,
which will render it inoperative. The name doesn't matter, but the suffix
has to be .bat or it wont work. You'll soon know, because if it's got txt
at the end, when you reboot it will open the next file and you'll see it
in notepad or something.
Cheers,
Kim.I am not convinced that it's entirely FEMA's fault, or anybody else's.
I do think, however, that heads are going to roll at the Federal level.
That's how this sort of thing works. Somebody always takes the fall. And it
usually ain't the true higher-ups; usually, it's the agency heads.
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4318e69e$1@linux...
> I agree that this was pretty awful. Was it FEMA's fault? I don't know. How
> effective would it have been to rush a bunch of stuff in there only to
have
> it be destroyed in a flood or commandeered by looters? I don't think
anyone
> knew what was going to happen, but if anyone should have had a reading on
> this and their finger on the pulse of the whole thing, it should have been
> local and state officials first off. I saw the evacuation announcement by
> the mayor of NO. It wasn't persuasive at all and it was wayyyyy too late.
He
> should have had emergency personnel out in the neighborhoods convincing
> community leaders to get onboard with a real evacuation. It's pretty
obvious
> that no one wanted to leave because they were afraid that if they did,
> they'd lose their possessions to thieves......which is what happened
anyway.
> If you've ever lived in New Orleans, you know that the crime rate is bad
and
> if you don't cover your own ass right then and there, it's going to be too
> little, too late when the cops show up. In the absence of a huge push from
> local authorities, I can understand why these folks didn't want to leave.
> The planning was bad, but the beginning of the disaster lies with the
local
> political machine.
>
> What I'm wondering about is who made the decision that a category 3 levee
> was going to be sufficient to protect the city.
>
>
> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kvnhh19njal98ijoj49su29ldlai0e7snq@4ax.com...
> > "I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
> > horrible" by a promise to remove government from our lives. good bad
> > or indifferent, it is what it is...luckily we have a 2 minute memory
> > and in a couple of years this will all be a remember when...thing.
> > except for those who are still being affected by it.
> >
> >
> > >mess,
> >
> > On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:32:36 -0400, "uptown jimmy"
> > <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html
> > >
> > >I am not a partisan person. I wish to god we could have a discussion
> about
> > >what is going on in the world without all the sanctimony and
> > >self-righteousness.
> > >
> > >This link is to a CNN compare/contrast piece which succinctly
summarizes
> the
> > >radical disconnect between the Feds and reality over the last few days.
> > >
> > >I repeat: heads will roll. I have a feeling they will include the head
of
> > >FEMA, Micheal Brown.
> > >
> > >I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
> horrible
> > >mess, but I will watch with full attention as certain public officials
> are
> > >excoriated over this. Some of these folks will be pariahs for a long
time
> to
> > >come.
> > >
> > >Jimmy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>I agree. I also think there is way too much generalization in using the word
*looter* in this disaster. Hell, I'd be breaking down doors too if I was
starving/distressed in whatever way. Even items that aren't consumables
might be bartered for life sustaining things in a situation like this. It's
becoming obvious that the Governor of LA totally dropped the ball. She had
6000 national guard troops available but on eyes on the ground in NO to tell
hher where they would be needed. She also had access to federal troops from
Ft. Hood Texas but didn't request help until it was too late, communications
were down and no one knew what was going on. Even after news reports started
hitting the airwaves, it appears that she hesitated. These Texas units are
the troops that are just arriving. They could have been there the day the
levees broke if she had been on top of things. Of course, with all the
confusion right now, there could be other mitigating factors to her
seemingly flawed decision making process. I don't know what political party
she bleongs to, but I'm sure it will eventually get partisan and ugly and
then we will never know because all objectivity will fly away while the
interest groups try to cover their asses.
"DC" <dc@spamyeruncle.org> wrote in message news:4318eb36$1@linux...
>
> He ought to get a medal. And perhaps a job running the evac.
>
> http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-th e-Astrodome
>
> DC
>Oh, and it gets worse...
Where were the buses that could have saved lives and misery?
Here:
http://junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_08_28.html#004749whatever heads will roll will be of the lower echelons variety.
always has and always will. crap i hope i spelt the e word correctly.
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 20:33:04 -0400, "uptown jimmy"
<johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>I am not convinced that it's entirely FEMA's fault, or anybody else's.
>
>I do think, however, that heads are going to roll at the Federal level.
>That's how this sort of thing works. Somebody always takes the fall. And it
>usually ain't the true higher-ups; usually, it's the agency heads.
>
>Jimmy
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:4318e69e$1@linux...
>> I agree that this was pretty awful. Was it FEMA's fault? I don't know. How
>> effective would it have been to rush a bunch of stuff in there only to
>have
>> it be destroyed in a flood or commandeered by looters? I don't think
>anyone
>> knew what was going to happen, but if anyone should have had a reading on
>> this and their finger on the pulse of the whole thing, it should have been
>> local and state officials first off. I saw the evacuation announcement by
>> the mayor of NO. It wasn't persuasive at all and it was wayyyyy too late.
>He
>> should have had emergency personnel out in the neighborhoods convincing
>> community leaders to get onboard with a real evacuation. It's pretty
>obvious
>> that no one wanted to leave because they were afraid that if they did,
>> they'd lose their possessions to thieves......which is what happened
>anyway.
>> If you've ever lived in New Orleans, you know that the crime rate is bad
>and
>> if you don't cover your own ass right then and there, it's going to be too
>> little, too late when the cops show up. In the absence of a huge push from
>> local authorities, I can understand why these folks didn't want to leave.
>> The planning was bad, but the beginning of the disaster lies with the
>local
>> political machine.
>>
>> What I'm wondering about is who made the decision that a category 3 levee
>> was going to be sufficient to protect the city.
>>
>>
>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:kvnhh19njal98ijoj49su29ldlai0e7snq@4ax.com...
>> > "I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
>> > horrible" by a promise to remove government from our lives. good bad
>> > or indifferent, it is what it is...luckily we have a 2 minute memory
>> > and in a couple of years this will all be a remember when...thing.
>> > except for those who are still being affected by it.
>> >
>> >
>> > >mess,
>> >
>> > On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:32:36 -0400, "uptown jimmy"
>> > <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html
>> > >
>> > >I am not a partisan person. I wish to god we could have a discussion
>> about
>> > >what is going on in the world without all the sanctimony and
>> > >self-righteousness.
>> > >
>> > >This link is to a CNN compare/contrast piece which succinctly
>summarizes
>> the
>> > >radical disconnect between the Feds and reality over the last few days.
>> > >
>> > >I repeat: heads will roll. I have a feeling they will include the head
>of
>> > >FEMA, Micheal Brown.
>> > >
>> > >I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
>> horrible
>> > >mess, but I will watch with full attention as certain public officials
>> are
>> > >excoriated over this. Some of these folks will be pariahs for a long
>time
>> to
>> > >come.
>> > >
>> > >Jimmy
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.org> wrote:
>
>Oh, and it gets worse...
>
>Where were the buses that could have saved lives and misery?
>
>Here:
>
> http://junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_08_28.html#004749
Argh! Fuckin' idiots... now that's local officials to blame as
much as it is FEMA - the locals know where the fucking buses
are located, FEMA doesn't... although it wouldn't hurt for them
to have a thing called a "list" for every major city.
And yeah the kid shouldn't be in jail... give him a slap on the
wrist 3-month probation because he DID break the law by
stealing the bus... but THEN give him a medal immediately
afterwards.
Neil
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>whatever heads will roll will be of the lower echelons variety.
>always has and always will. crap i hope i spelt the e word correctly.
The irony, of course, is that you indeed spelled "echelons"
correctly, but missed "the" by a mile.
:)here my friend, i really have to disagree with you. this is not like
this is the first time something like this has happened. i'm not
going to blame it on race, i'm not going to blame it on politics, but
i will blame it on economic opportunities which by the by is no
stranger to the great american tragedy...err...bed partnership. as
soon as price gouging was raised by our state govt., the cost of gas
dropped by 30 cents per gal. ...gosh...what a surprise since we get
our fuel from................................not nawlins. yesterday
there were reports of shortages and today...well...there ain't.
cat 3 levee..enough???...politics, that's who. race aside, it's those
with the money that make the decisions. sometimes they're right and a
lot of times they're wrong; unless you've got the bucks to prove
otherwise...you're fucked. the town i live in is controlled by a
people from a wealthier community 10 miles away: don't think that all
that's done here isn't for their benefit....while they live here. we
get a "way below average for the state stay" here cuz people move in
and vote for everything then leave. why, cuz it's cheaper to do it
here for the couple of years than to do it where they came from. our
millage rate is amongst the highest in the nation; being 114 Yrs. old
(between us) with no kids we get taxed the same as all the
rabbits...FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF that.
i so swear by all that is holy that i so do OT PUSH SHEEP through
fences...unless of course it's absolutely necessary.
please take the humor along with the seriousness of my words as not an
personal attack, as i mean every bodies voice is welcome in my world.
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:58:32 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I agree that this was pretty awful. Was it FEMA's fault? I don't know. How
>effective would it have been to rush a bunch of stuff in there only to have
>it be destroyed in a flood or commandeered by looters? I don't think anyone
>knew what was going to happen, but if anyone should have had a reading on
>this and their finger on the pulse of the whole thing, it should have been
>local and state officials first off. I saw the evacuation announcement by
>the mayor of NO. It wasn't persuasive at all and it was wayyyyy too late. He
>should have had emergency personnel out in the neighborhoods convincing
>community leaders to get onboard with a real evacuation. It's pretty obvious
>that no one wanted to leave because they were afraid that if they did,
>they'd lose their possessions to thieves......which is what happened anyway.
>If you've ever lived in New Orleans, you know that the crime rate is bad and
>if you don't cover your own ass right then and there, it's going to be too
>little, too late when the cops show up. In the absence of a huge push from
>local authorities, I can understand why these folks didn't want to leave.
>The planning was bad, but the beginning of the disaster lies with the local
>political machine.
>
>What I'm wondering about is who made the decision that a category 3 levee
>was going to be sufficient to protect the city.
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:kvnhh19njal98ijoj49su29ldlai0e7snq@4ax.com...
>> "I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
>> horrible" by a promise to remove government from our lives. good bad
>> or indifferent, it is what it is...luckily we have a 2 minute memory
>> and in a couple of years this will all be a remember when...thing.
>> except for those who are still being affected by it.
>>
>>
>> >mess,
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:32:36 -0400, "uptown jimmy"
>> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> > http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html
>> >
>> >I am not a partisan person. I wish to god we could have a discussion
>about
>> >what is going on in the world without all the sanctimony and
>> >self-righteousness.
>> >
>> >This link is to a CNN compare/contrast piece which succinctly summarizes
>the
>> >radical disconnect between the Feds and reality over the last few days.
>> >
>> >I repeat: heads will roll. I have a feeling they will include the head of
>> >FEMA, Micheal Brown.
>> >
>> >I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
>horrible
>> >mess, but I will watch with full attention as certain public officials
>are
>> >excoriated over this. Some of these folks will be pariahs for a long time
>to
>> >come.
>> >
>> >Jimmy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>my friend, everybody lies. there has Never been a human being that
has not lied about something. even when christ asked his father if
this was all necessary while he was on the cross temporarily negated
all the holy truths to make a point.
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:38:50 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Hmmmm........I agree with the 40 centuries thing. As for the lying, maybe we
>should look at who was doing the lying......like the UN, the French, Sadaam,
>quite a few scumbags of various ilk here and in other countries, including
>our own Oscar Wyatt of Coastal Energy and ol' whatsisname who never had
>sexual relations with that woman........ depending on what the meaning of
>"is" is, of course, his criminal buddy Mark Rich whom he pardoned and whose
>wife is Hilary's good buddy.......and so on. If Mr. Bill would have been
>minding the store, there wouldn't have been a Sadaam or any of this Iraq
>crap now because he could have attended to it through the UN (theoretically)
>before the was was so conveniently forgotten and Sadaam had a chance to
>bribe his way out of the sanctions.
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:2onhh1dlam54a0u1i9t7g64rbcfjspl94m@4ax.com...
>> true, cuz they felt the whatever right would never lie to them. hey,
>> everybody lies about everything if they see a big enough benefit for
>> themselves for whatever reason...and i gots 40 centuries of history on
>> my side for this statement.
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:33:20 -0600, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I agree.....and because the middle did nothing, the war that started in
>1991
>> >never ended.
>> >
>> >
>> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:26ahh19c5chmg8si9bhcluuakm6ibg3eo6@4ax.com...
>> >> first, we don't have the manpower to pull off what would be need to be
>> >> done.
>> >> second, we'd have to lose the "nice guy" approach to a war of this
>> >> kind.
>> >> third, i believe all sides have the not only the right but the duty to
>> >> speak up. imho, it's when the middle says and does nothing is when
>> >> you get a sadam or hitler...cuz it's only the extremes who do all the
>> >> talking and taking.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:41:22 -0600, "DJ"
>> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >It's certainly looking that way isn't it?........and this is because
>of
>> >the
>> >> >*middle* I was talking about. We don't have the balls to stand up and
>> >fight
>> >> >anymore and the enemies of this country know that all they need to do
>is
>> >> >wait for the leftists to get their various *activist movements* in
>gear
>> >and
>> >> >undermine the military effort while spouting off their quasitreasonous
>> >crap
>> >> >while wrapping it in pseudopatriotic bullshit.
>> >> >
>> >> >It's as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
>> >> >
>> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:bssgh1pu1n27anqr51elceg798jqjcdggq@4ax.com...
>> >> >> but we are fighting a half assed war in a half assed fashion just as
>> >> >> we did in vietnam.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:14:46 -0600, "DJ"
>> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The
>middle
>> >> >would
>> >> >> >work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly
>> >acknowledge
>> >> >> >and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as
>serious
>> >as
>> >> >> >WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you can't
>> >fight
>> >> >a
>> >> >> >war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you first
>> >> >> >acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> "perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I see
>and
>> >> >> >> seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me."
>> >kinda
>> >> >> >> sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes
>the
>> >> >> >> norm.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> :o(
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
>> >> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I
>am
>> >> >> >> >stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every
>anti-industry
>> >> >> >> >viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I do
>> >> >question
>> >> >> >> >both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might
>> >discover
>> >> >> >that
>> >> >> >> >I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the
>> >least
>> >> >> >> >dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the
>> >middle
>> >> >> >that
>> >> >> >> >looks reasonable to me.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message news:43174724$1@linux...
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just reinforced
>the
>> >> >> >> >stereotype
>> >> >> >> >> of someone who works in the industry.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new
>> >White
>> >> >> >House
>> >> >> >> >> >sponsored
>> >> >> >> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to
>> >reduce
>> >> >> >> >> >America's
>> >> >> >> >> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global
>> >warming,
>> >> >> >fails
>> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy, and
>> >fails
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >help
>> >> >> >> >> >consumers
>> >> >> >> >> >> at the gas pump.
>> >> >> >> >> >> What it did do includes:
>> >> >> >> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
>> >> >> >construction
>> >> >> >> >> >activities
>> >> >> >> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of
>oil
>> >per
>> >> >day
>> >> >> >in
>> >> >> >> >> >2014
>> >> >> >> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry.
>(Who
>> >> >are
>> >> >> >all
>> >> >> >> >> >showing
>> >> >> >> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
>> >> >> >> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest
>> >giveaway
>> >> >of
>> >> >> >all
>> >> >> >> >> >time.)
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to
>list
>> >but
>> >> >my
>> >> >> >> >> >personal
>> >> >> >> >> >> favorites are:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana to
>> >> >> >compensate
>> >> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which
>studies
>> >have
>> >> >> >> >> >concluded
>> >> >> >> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will
>give
>> >you
>> >> >> >$800
>> >> >> >> >> >million
>> >> >> >> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has
>> >> >considerable
>> >> >> >> >> >holdings
>> >> >> >> >> >> in one of the companies.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby
>*insisted*
>> >on
>> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain
>emissions
>> >> >levels.
>> >> >> >It
>> >> >> >> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated. Turns
>out
>> >it
>> >> >was
>> >> >> >> >bad
>> >> >> >> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when
>they
>> >only
>> >> >> >did
>> >> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> >because it was federally mandated.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge,
>but
>> >also
>> >> >> >> >similar
>> >> >> >> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the Chaney
>> >family
>> >> >> >has
>> >> >> >> >> >future
>> >> >> >> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the eastern
>> >slope
>> >> >of
>> >> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right
>outside
>> >of
>> >> >> >> >Glacier
>> >> >> >> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it. The
>fact
>> >> >that
>> >> >> >> >Cheney
>> >> >> >> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro Cheyney,
>> >but
>> >> >he's
>> >> >> >> >from
>> >> >> >> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four
>generations
>> >> >ago
>> >> >> >just
>> >> >> >> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural gas
>> >prices.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked with
>> >him
>> >> >> >before.
>> >> >> >> >> If
>> >> >> >> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good
>thing
>> >to
>> >> >get
>> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its
>the
>> >> >> >> >Halliburton
>> >> >> >> >> >thing, right?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a business
>> >you
>> >> >> >would
>> >> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of its
>> >energy
>> >> >> >> >> >efficiency.
>> >> >> >> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned a
>> >> >business,
>> >> >> >> >you
>> >> >> >> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from
>the
>> >IRS.
>> >> >> >> >(Public
>> >> >> >> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax
>loophole.)
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree
>huggers.
>> >> >(Just
>> >> >> >a
>> >> >> >> >> >little perspective)
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >;o)
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Gene
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability is
>our
>> >> >> >absolute
>> >> >> >> >> >reliance
>> >> >> >> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources are
>> >> >negatively
>> >> >> >> >> >effected
>> >> >> >> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially enslaves
>us
>> >to
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >large
>> >> >> >> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for Big-Stick
>> >> >diplomacy.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in
>the
>> >> >road.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the
>idea
>> >that
>> >> >we
>> >> >> >> >must
>> >> >> >> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy
>> >> >suppliers
>> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >> help
>> >> >> >> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working. This
>> >will
>> >> >help
>> >> >> >> >make
>> >> >> >> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time before
>we
>> >> >> >completely
>> >> >> >> >> >run
>> >> >> >> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous
>health
>> >> >issues
>> >> >> >> >and
>> >> >> >> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of this
>> >> >already
>> >> >> >> >> >started.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and
>energy
>> >> >> >> >independence,
>> >> >> >> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help us
>now.
>> >> >> >> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that actually
>> >cares
>> >> >more
>> >> >> >> >about
>> >> >> >> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Gene
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>i did not watch whatever it was you were posting as i've [pretty much
seen all that has been offered on reg. tv. my position is that if
it's food or truely survival stuff, whoever gets a pass. if it's
sporting gear, tv's, etc...shoot the mf's. it's time that the excuses
end. and this comes from someone who thinks bush IS the ultimate ASS.
pipe+smoke=some response from...someone.
On 3 Sep 2005 10:15:50 +1000, "DC" <dc@spamyeruncle.org> wrote:
>
>He ought to get a medal. And perhaps a job running the evac.
>
> http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-th e-Astrodome
>
>DC> cat 3 levee..enough???...politics, that's who. race aside, it's those
> with the money that make the decisions. sometimes they're right and
I agree with the politics. Who said anything about race?
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mpthh117jih0c52lef765p58q9l8g9vjcr@4ax.com...
> here my friend, i really have to disagree with you. this is not like
> this is the first time something like this has happened. i'm not
> going to blame it on race, i'm not going to blame it on politics, but
> i will blame it on economic opportunities which by the by is no
> stranger to the great american tragedy...err...bed partnership. as
> soon as price gouging was raised by our state govt., the cost of gas
> dropped by 30 cents per gal. ...gosh...what a surprise since we get
> our fuel from................................not nawlins. yesterday
> there were reports of shortages and today...well...there ain't.
>
> cat 3 levee..enough???...politics, that's who. race aside, it's those
> with the money that make the decisions. sometimes they're right and a
> lot of times they're wrong; unless you've got the bucks to prove
> otherwise...you're fucked. the town i live in is controlled by a
> people from a wealthier community 10 miles away: don't think that all
> that's done here isn't for their benefit....while they live here. we
> get a "way below average for the state stay" here cuz people move in
> and vote for everything then leave. why, cuz it's cheaper to do it
> here for the couple of years than to do it where they came from. our
> millage rate is amongst the highest in the nation; being 114 Yrs. old
> (between us) with no kids we get taxed the same as all the
> rabbits...FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF that.
>
> i so swear by all that is holy that i so do OT PUSH SHEEP through
> fences...unless of course it's absolutely necessary.
>
> please take the humor along with the seriousness of my words as not an
> personal attack, as i mean every bodies voice is welcome in my world.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:58:32 -0600, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >I agree that this was pretty awful. Was it FEMA's fault? I don't know.
How
> >effective would it have been to rush a bunch of stuff in there only to
have
> >it be destroyed in a flood or commandeered by looters? I don't think
anyone
> >knew what was going to happen, but if anyone should have had a reading on
> >this and their finger on the pulse of the whole thing, it should have
been
> >local and state officials first off. I saw the evacuation announcement by
> >the mayor of NO. It wasn't persuasive at all and it was wayyyyy too late.
He
> >should have had emergency personnel out in the neighborhoods convincing
> >community leaders to get onboard with a real evacuation. It's pretty
obvious
> >that no one wanted to leave because they were afraid that if they did,
> >they'd lose their possessions to thieves......which is what happened
anyway.
> >If you've ever lived in New Orleans, you know that the crime rate is bad
and
> >if you don't cover your own ass right then and there, it's going to be
too
> >little, too late when the cops show up. In the absence of a huge push
from
> >local authorities, I can understand why these folks didn't want to leave.
> >The planning was bad, but the beginning of the disaster lies with the
local
> >political machine.
> >
> >What I'm wondering about is who made the decision that a category 3 levee
> >was going to be sufficient to protect the city.
> >
> >
> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:kvnhh19njal98ijoj49su29ldlai0e7snq@4ax.com...
> >> "I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
> >> horrible" by a promise to remove government from our lives. good bad
> >> or indifferent, it is what it is...luckily we have a 2 minute memory
> >> and in a couple of years this will all be a remember when...thing.
> >> except for those who are still being affected by it.
> >>
> >>
> >> >mess,
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:32:36 -0400, "uptown jimmy"
> >> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html
> >> >
> >> >I am not a partisan person. I wish to god we could have a discussion
> >about
> >> >what is going on in the world without all the sanctimony and
> >> >self-righteousness.
> >> >
> >> >This link is to a CNN compare/contrast piece which succinctly
summarizes
> >the
> >> >radical disconnect between the Feds and reality over the last few
days.
> >> >
> >> >I repeat: heads will roll. I have a feeling they will include the head
of
> >> >FEMA, Micheal Brown.
> >> >
> >> >I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
> >horrible
> >> >mess, but I will watch with full attention as certain public officials
> >are
> >> >excoriated over this. Some of these folks will be pariahs for a long
time
> >to
> >> >come.
> >> >
> >> >Jimmy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>Hi there..I just installed UAD -1 Project Pack card...with FXPansion VST
Wrapper...it is TOTALLY delaying the track when I enable the plug-in...The
included "Track Delay" plug doesn't seem to do much...What can be done to
make it usable?Please help....I'm using Win XP,the CPU meter is around
25%....1 Gig of RAMYou didn't mention race, Deej. But lots of folks are mentioning it.
I've watched hundreds of hours of TV footage in the last 6 days, and very,
very few of those hardest hit are white. There are plenty of white folk who
are completely devastated in MS and beyond, but it's mostly black folk who
were trapped in NO, with no cars and no money and no buses to take them out,
no water and no food and no place to lay the dead and dying.
I watched David Brookes and Tom Oliphant and Clarence Page at a round table
discussion tonight, all of them horrified at the almost total failure of
government to take care of so many citizens. The consensus was that this is
a major turning point in all our lives, not just because of the suffering
and pain, but because of the collective recoil in horror that we will see in
the coming days, the renewed interest in how to further promote and
encourage equality.
Ultimately, it's a class thing. We all know that. As soon as enough poor
white and poor black people in America figure out that they have more in
common than not, things are gonna change. This just might be the time for
that, I don't know, but I know there's a fast-growing perception on both
sides of the political isle, as we speak, that poor people are suffering out
of proportion, that we have, as a nation, been neglecting our duties as
citizens, that government at every level, city/state/federal, has failed
these people.
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43190186@linux...
> I agree with the politics. Who said anything about race?"jason miles" <jmiles45@aol.com> wrote:
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbclgobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>Agree with you Jimmy;I think some heads are gonna roll.When you
>>see Bush saying the response has been "unacceptable";whether or
>>not that means he is taking any blame there are bound to be
>>changes as there should be.
>>
>Haven't you figured out yet that when people in The Bush administration
screw
>up they get promoted?BTW-I wonder where old Dick Cheney is.He's been real
>visible during this crisis.
>It was also a real good thing that Bush repealed the wetlands act
>that Clinton had implimented. N.O. is surrounded by wetlands that
>are being devloped and not preserved. I have heard that from a number of
>friends there-sooo-This was bound to happen
>BTW I can't blame Bush personally because there are lots of
>people at fault here including the Govenor of La and many other people both
>democrats and republicans but Bush was pretty
>insensitive addressing this crisis just yesterday after doing
>another iraq dog and Pony show the other day
>As far as the religious rants here I stay out of that stuff.
Jason, you're a smart guy, and i respect you a lot for your
musical endeavors, but the fucking wetlands aren't going to
make a difference if the levees can't handle at cat4+ hurricane.
That's the biggest problem with you liberals, is that you keep
banging on the same few gongs, no matter what happens ... global
warming, wetlands, ANWR, oil companies... they're not
repsonsible for EVERYTHING, you know.
It was the levees, not the wetlands.
NeilAre there hundreds of hours in six days to watch footage?
;-p
JH
uptown jimmy wrote:
> You didn't mention race, Deej. But lots of folks are mentioning it.
>
> I've watched hundreds of hours of TV footage in the last 6 days, and very,
> very few of those hardest hit are white. There are plenty of white folk who
> are completely devastated in MS and beyond, but it's mostly black folk who
> were trapped in NO, with no cars and no money and no buses to take them out,
> no water and no food and no place to lay the dead and dying.
>
> I watched David Brookes and Tom Oliphant and Clarence Page at a round table
> discussion tonight, all of them horrified at the almost total failure of
> government to take care of so many citizens. The consensus was that this is
> a major turning point in all our lives, not just because of the suffering
> and pain, but because of the collective recoil in horror that we will see in
> the coming days, the renewed interest in how to further promote and
> encourage equality.
>
> Ultimately, it's a class thing. We all know that. As soon as enough poor
> white and poor black people in America figure out that they have more in
> common than not, things are gonna change. This just might be the time for
> that, I don't know, but I know there's a fast-growing perception on both
> sides of the political isle, as we speak, that poor people are suffering out
> of proportion, that we have, as a nation, been neglecting our duties as
> citizens, that government at every level, city/state/federal, has failed
> these people.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43190186@linux...
>
>
>>I agree with the politics. Who said anything about race?
>
>
>
>everyones got a finger to point, eh?
yeah its the governors fault 80% of the countries national guard and
helicopters are in Iraq.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4318f10d@linux...
>I agree. I also think there is way too much generalization in using the
>word
> *looter* in this disaster. Hell, I'd be breaking down doors too if I was
> starving/distressed in whatever way. Even items that aren't consumables
> might be bartered for life sustaining things in a situation like this.
> It's
> becoming obvious that the Governor of LA totally dropped the ball. She had
> 6000 national guard troops available but on eyes on the ground in NO to
> tell
> hher where they would be needed. She also had access to federal troops
> from
> Ft. Hood Texas but didn't request help until it was too late,
> communications
> were down and no one knew what was going on. Even after news reports
> started
> hitting the airwaves, it appears that she hesitated. These Texas units
> are
> the troops that are just arriving. They could have been there the day the
> levees broke if she had been on top of things. Of course, with all the
> confusion right now, there could be other mitigating factors to her
> seemingly flawed decision making process. I don't know what political
> party
> she bleongs to, but I'm sure it will eventually get partisan and ugly and
> then we will never know because all objectivity will fly away while the
> interest groups try to cover their asses.
>
> "DC" <dc@spamyeruncle.org> wrote in message news:4318eb36$1@linux...
>>
>> He ought to get a medal. And perhaps a job running the evac.
>>
>> http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-th e-Astrodome
>>
>> DC
>>
>
>Dedric,
Thank you for such a straight forward statement of TRUTH!!! God bless you
for taking a stand!
Chris
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
news:BF3E14B8.51B%dedric@echomg.com...
> While I respect your opinion, you are guessing what another person thinks
> without knowing them personally, much less their thoughts. Without
knowing
> someone's thoughts and intent first hand, your opinion isn't necessarily
> true. If you portray that person in a negative light without that
> knowledge, it is slander, or at best gossip. Even stating the truth about
> someone else without permission is gossip.
>
> > Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it.
Policy
> > aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
>
> Your last three statements here were not just "I think", but stated as
fact.
> But enough statement analysis... Suffice it to say, if there is a chance
our
> opinions of others could be wrong, they are better left unsaid. We all do
> it though. It is a hard temptation to resist, especially when we feel
> personal frustration. I do it too, sadly.
>
> You also seem to have a rather negative impression of Christians. A faith
> not practiced in daily life isn't faith, but a set of beliefs adopted as a
> hobby. You state religion is a crutch, but that is a sweeping
> generalization. For some that may be true, but let's be clear about the
> distinction between religions as organizations and faith as a belief in a
> God. Religion is a perspective on a belief systems adopted by people.
> Faith is rooted in the very heart and soul, not the head or intellect.
> Faith is a two way street - without God to guide me, my faith would be
> useless. At the same time, if I didn't believe God would guide me, it
would
> also be meaningless.
>
> Faith requires action, or it is just lip service ("Faith without works is
> dead"). To act on religious laws or mandates is no different than acting
> under corporate guidelines - it doesn't take faith in God to follow a few
> rules, traditions or practices. Acting on faith as a Christian is between
> the believer and God, based on God's own word (the Bible and prayer).
Other
> religions may claim the same communicative guidance, but my faith as a
> Christian would be meaningless if I believed all religions were another
form
> of the truth, or if mine were just my personal interpretation, open for
> variation, moderation and alteration at the whim of peers, society, a
> religious organization, or those that disagree with me. If there is no
> absolute truth, there is no absolute wrong. Simple logic tells us there
has
> to be some absolutes, or we will slide into complete chaos. So where do
> those absolutes come from? God of course - through the Bible.
>
> The Bible is clear about homosexuality being wrong, as well as all sin
> (lying, cheating, stealing, etc, etc, etc). I don't condemn homosexuals
as
> fellow citizens, friends and human beings but that doesn't somehow make it
> "right" in a relative sense (i.e. only wrong "for me", but "right" for
> them). From a Christian perspective, passing legislation to support and
(in
> effect) promote what is clearly stated as wrong in God's word is dangerous
> for us as a country, not just people choosing that lifestyle - that's why
it
> enters politics, whether you believe it should be there or not (faith
> without works...). It isn't about "pushing our beliefs on everyone else".
> It is about seeing Sodom and Gomorrah (Babylon, Rome, etc) re-enacted over
> and over throughout history as societies accept more and more decadent
> behavior. We just don't want to see our country go down the same path by
> making such Biblically stated sin issues a nationally supported belief
> anymore than you want Christianity to become the national religion. You
> wouldn't want a law passed requiring that rapists be given right to appeal
> custody of a resulting child would you (I hope there isn't such a law
> already, but who knows...)? Of course not. But here is the point -
without
> a moral basis, we have no line to draw where one action is okay, and
another
> isn't - it all become relative to personal interpretation and preference -
> that includes murder, rape, incest, stealing, torture, genocide, etc, etc.
> So, President Bush stands up for what he believes in his workplace -
> politics. Others do the same. To say he shouldn't because his beliefs
are
> Christian beliefs would be denying Christians the freedom we are supposed
to
> allow non-Christians.
>
> As far as Iraq - we may never know exactly what the true reason "in the
> grand scheme of things" was for this war - i.e. WMD seemed to be a decent
> reason, but there were none found (probably in Syria). However, every
> soldier returning from Iraq that I have talked to has said the Iraqis
> welcome the change, even at the price they are paying. I could post
quotes
> and stories that would really make you think that there was a reason for
> this well beyond and more significant than WMD, but time is short for me
> today. My belief, and this isn't justification, is that Iraq will play a
> strategic role in the future in some event we don't know about - left to
> Saddam it could have been catastrophic, but maybe not by his hand, just as
a
> part of the puzzle of the world's stage.
>
> Whether you believe in God or not, He does lead people today, and He does
> put events into motion for His purposes. Perhaps Iraq had nothing to do
> with future defense or terrorism concerns, but simply the ability of a
> people to have a chance at true freedom.
>
> > "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but
I
> > sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I
know
> > it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
>
> This is a basic faith concept for Christians. Running for President isn't
> common, but many of us, if not most or all, follow this very same leading
> every day - often into very risky and unknown territory, knowing the risk
to
> our families and even our lives could be at stake - but doing it for God's
> glory and reasons, not ours. That is faith - being willing to do things
> that aren't popular without regard for social, political or financial
> standing, or even one's own life. I hadn't heard this exact quote, but in
a
> way, it's putting pieces of a puzzle together for me - likely to an
opposite
> conclusion from the one you seem to be drawing.
>
> Without first hand, personal knowledge of someone's intent, heart and
mind,
> we only know them by the way we perceive them through news blurbs, sound
> bites and late-night talk shows. I have yet to see anyone on this forum
> support believing everything you think you see or hear in the news, much
> less believing your perception is accurate.
>
> I know pastors and Christians that personally spend time with President
> Bush, and have with other presidents (Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Nixon,
etc),
> and I have met some of these men, heard them speak, read their books, etc.
> There is a different picture painted of these Presidents than the one you
> are demonstrating - it is one of real people trying to do their best to
lead
> our country. These aren't perfect people or perfect leaders, but no one
on
> this forum is any more perfect either.
>
> The key to Christian faith is grace. God's grace gave us a way to reach
Him
> through the sacrifice of His son, and offering us forgiveness through His
> own sacrifice, if we only ask for it. By the same measure of grace we as
> Christians are given the challenge to reach out to the rest of the world
> with God's love to share that very same message with our speech, our
> actions, and our lives - not through hatred, judgement or condemnation.
> Satan loves to twist that message around, and indeed the intent of
> well-meaning Christians - what better way to destroy God's design than to
> discredit His followers, if not dishearten or overtake them?
>
> Thanks for your time jp, or anyone else that read this lonnnnnggg post.
> Back to work, and best regards.
>
> DedricFor me, lately, yes. Low hundreds, but yes.
I sleep 8 hours a night, I have the TV on the rest of the day for the last 6
days. Do the math.
Insert smiley face here.
Jimmy
"Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:43190b89@linux...
> Are there hundreds of hours in six days to watch footage?
>
> ;-p
>
> JH
>
> uptown jimmy wrote:
> > You didn't mention race, Deej. But lots of folks are mentioning it.
> >
> > I've watched hundreds of hours of TV footage in the last 6 days, and
very,
> > very few of those hardest hit are white. There are plenty of white folk
who
> > are completely devastated in MS and beyond, but it's mostly black folk
who
> > were trapped in NO, with no cars and no money and no buses to take them
out,
> > no water and no food and no place to lay the dead and dying.
> >
> > I watched David Brookes and Tom Oliphant and Clarence Page at a round
table
> > discussion tonight, all of them horrified at the almost total failure of
> > government to take care of so many citizens. The consensus was that this
is
> > a major turning point in all our lives, not just because of the
suffering
> > and pain, but because of the collective recoil in horror that we will
see in
> > the coming days, the renewed interest in how to further promote and
> > encourage equality.
> >
> > Ultimately, it's a class thing. We all know that. As soon as enough poor
> > white and poor black people in America figure out that they have more in
> > common than not, things are gonna change. This just might be the time
for
> > that, I don't know, but I know there's a fast-growing perception on both
> > sides of the political isle, as we speak, that poor people are suffering
out
> > of proportion, that we have, as a nation, been neglecting our duties as
> > citizens, that government at every level, city/state/federal, has failed
> > these people.
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:43190186@linux...
> >
> >
> >>I agree with the politics. Who said anything about race?
> >
> >
> >
> >You'll know a true servant of God by their fruits.
Bush's fruits are death and destruction.
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
news:BF3E14B8.51B%dedric@echomg.com...
> While I respect your opinion, you are guessing what another person thinks
> without knowing them personally, much less their thoughts. Without
> knowing
> someone's thoughts and intent first hand, your opinion isn't necessarily
> true. If you portray that person in a negative light without that
> knowledge, it is slander, or at best gossip. Even stating the truth about
> someone else without permission is gossip.
>
>> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it. Policy
>> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
>
> Your last three statements here were not just "I think", but stated as
> fact.
> But enough statement analysis... Suffice it to say, if there is a chance
> our
> opinions of others could be wrong, they are better left unsaid. We all do
> it though. It is a hard temptation to resist, especially when we feel
> personal frustration. I do it too, sadly.
>
> You also seem to have a rather negative impression of Christians. A faith
> not practiced in daily life isn't faith, but a set of beliefs adopted as a
> hobby. You state religion is a crutch, but that is a sweeping
> generalization. For some that may be true, but let's be clear about the
> distinction between religions as organizations and faith as a belief in a
> God. Religion is a perspective on a belief systems adopted by people.
> Faith is rooted in the very heart and soul, not the head or intellect.
> Faith is a two way street - without God to guide me, my faith would be
> useless. At the same time, if I didn't believe God would guide me, it
> would
> also be meaningless.
>
> Faith requires action, or it is just lip service ("Faith without works is
> dead"). To act on religious laws or mandates is no different than acting
> under corporate guidelines - it doesn't take faith in God to follow a few
> rules, traditions or practices. Acting on faith as a Christian is between
> the believer and God, based on God's own word (the Bible and prayer).
> Other
> religions may claim the same communicative guidance, but my faith as a
> Christian would be meaningless if I believed all religions were another
> form
> of the truth, or if mine were just my personal interpretation, open for
> variation, moderation and alteration at the whim of peers, society, a
> religious organization, or those that disagree with me. If there is no
> absolute truth, there is no absolute wrong. Simple logic tells us there
> has
> to be some absolutes, or we will slide into complete chaos. So where do
> those absolutes come from? God of course - through the Bible.
>
> The Bible is clear about homosexuality being wrong, as well as all sin
> (lying, cheating, stealing, etc, etc, etc). I don't condemn homosexuals
> as
> fellow citizens, friends and human beings but that doesn't somehow make it
> "right" in a relative sense (i.e. only wrong "for me", but "right" for
> them). From a Christian perspective, passing legislation to support and
> (in
> effect) promote what is clearly stated as wrong in God's word is dangerous
> for us as a country, not just people choosing that lifestyle - that's why
> it
> enters politics, whether you believe it should be there or not (faith
> without works...). It isn't about "pushing our beliefs on everyone else".
> It is about seeing Sodom and Gomorrah (Babylon, Rome, etc) re-enacted over
> and over throughout history as societies accept more and more decadent
> behavior. We just don't want to see our country go down the same path by
> making such Biblically stated sin issues a nationally supported belief
> anymore than you want Christianity to become the national religion. You
> wouldn't want a law passed requiring that rapists be given right to appeal
> custody of a resulting child would you (I hope there isn't such a law
> already, but who knows...)? Of course not. But here is the point -
> without
> a moral basis, we have no line to draw where one action is okay, and
> another
> isn't - it all become relative to personal interpretation and preference -
> that includes murder, rape, incest, stealing, torture, genocide, etc, etc.
> So, President Bush stands up for what he believes in his workplace -
> politics. Others do the same. To say he shouldn't because his beliefs
> are
> Christian beliefs would be denying Christians the freedom we are supposed
> to
> allow non-Christians.
>
> As far as Iraq - we may never know exactly what the true reason "in the
> grand scheme of things" was for this war - i.e. WMD seemed to be a decent
> reason, but there were none found (probably in Syria). However, every
> soldier returning from Iraq that I have talked to has said the Iraqis
> welcome the change, even at the price they are paying. I could post
> quotes
> and stories that would really make you think that there was a reason for
> this well beyond and more significant than WMD, but time is short for me
> today. My belief, and this isn't justification, is that Iraq will play a
> strategic role in the future in some event we don't know about - left to
> Saddam it could have been catastrophic, but maybe not by his hand, just as
> a
> part of the puzzle of the world's stage.
>
> Whether you believe in God or not, He does lead people today, and He does
> put events into motion for His purposes. Perhaps Iraq had nothing to do
> with future defense or terrorism concerns, but simply the ability of a
> people to have a chance at true freedom.
>
>> "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I
>> sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I
>> know
>> it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
>
> This is a basic faith concept for Christians. Running for President isn't
> common, but many of us, if not most or all, follow this very same leading
> every day - often into very risky and unknown territory, knowing the risk
> to
> our families and even our lives could be at stake - but doing it for God's
> glory and reasons, not ours. That is faith - being willing to do things
> that aren't popular without regard for social, political or financial
> standing, or even one's own life. I hadn't heard this exact quote, but in
> a
> way, it's putting pieces of a puzzle together for me - likely to an
> opposite
> conclusion from the one you seem to be drawing.
>
> Without first hand, personal knowledge of someone's intent, heart and
> mind,
> we only know them by the way we perceive them through news blurbs, sound
> bites and late-night talk shows. I have yet to see anyone on this forum
> support believing everything you think you see or hear in the news, much
> less believing your perception is accurate.
>
> I know pastors and Christians that personally spend time with President
> Bush, and have with other presidents (Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Nixon,
> etc),
> and I have met some of these men, heard them speak, read their books, etc.
> There is a different picture painted of these Presidents than the one you
> are demonstrating - it is one of real people trying to do their best to
> lead
> our country. These aren't perfect people or perfect leaders, but no one
> on
> this forum is any more perfect either.
>
> The key to Christian faith is grace. God's grace gave us a way to reach
> Him
> through the sacrifice of His son, and offering us forgiveness through His
> own sacrifice, if we only ask for it. By the same measure of grace we as
> Christians are given the challenge to reach out to the rest of the world
> with God's love to share that very same message with our speech, our
> actions, and our lives - not through hatred, judgement or condemnation.
> Satan loves to twist that message around, and indeed the intent of
> well-meaning Christians - what better way to destroy God's design than to
> discredit His followers, if not dishearten or overtake them?
>
> Thanks for your time jp, or anyone else that read this lonnnnnggg post.
> Back to work, and best regards.
>
> Dedric
>
>
> in article 4318939f@linux, jp at no@mail.please wrote on 9/2/05 1:01 PM:
>
>>
>> "DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
>> news:BF3DC8FD.401F%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>>> jp - Your climatology insight is fairly well reasoned. Your post script
>>> is
>>> yet more politically opinionated slander. Sorry, it's true. GWB
>>> doesn't
>>> see himself as the "Armaggedon" president. That's just ridiculous
>>> extrapolated hyperbole.
>>
>> Let me make one thing clear. Slander is creating false statements for the
>> purpose of swaying ones opinion of a person or entity. I don't see how my
>> quote...
>>
>> "I think this theory is now fact. I think Bush truly believes he is the
>> "Armageddon" president, and that he and his believers will be picked up
>> buy
>> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it. Policy
>> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
>>
>> ...is false in any way shape or form, unless of course YOU actually know
>> what I think better than I. This is my personal opinion, is stated as my
>> personal opinion, and is backed by my own research. Quotes such as this:
>>
>> "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I
>> sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I
>> know
>> it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
>>
>> "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he
>> instructed
>> me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to
>> solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if
>> not,
>> the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
>>
>> as well as my own interpretation of Bush's reaction to disaster, leads me
>> to
>> this opinion.
>>
>> I accept that you don't agree with my opinion, but it is no more
>> slanderous
>> than George W. Bush's own comments on Homosexuality are slanderous to
>> those
>> who choose to practice alternative lifestyles.
>>
>> I also believe that the majority of organized religions were spawned as a
>> crutch to deal with the fact that as human's we have become temporally
>> aware, and therefore aware of not only our own existence, but aware of
>> our
>> own termination. I believe many religions are filled with people who are
>> simply sheep, following the herd, without really analyzing what the herd
>> actually stands for. These are the idiots I speak about. You may agree,
>> and
>> exclude yourself from this flock, or you may disagree, but my beliefs
>> will
>> remain steadfast. IMOHO George W. Bush is a Bible toting moron.
>>
>> I believe in God, but I believe that God is far beyond human
>> comprehension
>> (in fact He is beyond the limits of time itself). I believe most
>> religions
>> attempt to humanize GOD in order to understand him. This is the issue
>> with
>> religion that I find appalling. I believe that there is room for both an
>> creator and evolutionary process. I have no problem stating that anyone
>> outside this view is in my own opinion, a moron.
>>
>> again, just my opinion.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>You need to manually compensate in Paris. For each plug you use on a track
you need to nudge the track to the left 400 ms (4x100)then apply sampleslide
(a free plug, www.analogx.com) and type in 1536 samples(except for either
of the Pultec plugs, where you need to type in 1523) . This should get you
sample accurate latency compensation. Your system maybe different, but most
guys systems work with these numbers, and it will be very close at any rate.
You can also a plug by voxengo that will do the same as sampleslide. I'm
not sure whats it's called, but I'm sure someone will chime in. Either will
work.
Rod
There are other ways of dealing with this, but that's the way that I do it.
"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote:
>Hi there..I just installed UAD -1 Project Pack card...with FXPansion VST
>Wrapper...it is TOTALLY delaying the track when I enable the plug-in...The
>included "Track Delay" plug doesn't seem to do much...What can be done to
>make it usable?Please help....I'm using Win XP,the CPU meter is around
>25%....1 Gig of RAM
>
>And that's precisely why it's the governors fault. Thgere were troops
available to help. She didn't have it together enough to know how to utilize
the resources available to her.......next door in Texas.
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
news:43191065@linux...
> everyones got a finger to point, eh?
>
> yeah its the governors fault 80% of the countries national guard and
> helicopters are in Iraq.
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:4318f10d@linux...
> >I agree. I also think there is way too much generalization in using the
> >word
> > *looter* in this disaster. Hell, I'd be breaking down doors too if I was
> > starving/distressed in whatever way. Even items that aren't consumables
> > might be bartered for life sustaining things in a situation like this.
> > It's
> > becoming obvious that the Governor of LA totally dropped the ball. She
had
> > 6000 national guard troops available but on eyes on the ground in NO to
> > tell
> > hher where they would be needed. She also had access to federal troops
> > from
> > Ft. Hood Texas but didn't request help until it was too late,
> > communications
> > were down and no one knew what was going on. Even after news reports
> > started
> > hitting the airwaves, it appears that she hesitated. These Texas units
> > are
> > the troops that are just arriving. They could have been there the day
the
> > levees broke if she had been on top of things. Of course, with all the
> > confusion right now, there could be other mitigating factors to her
> > seemingly flawed decision making process. I don't know what political
> > party
> > she bleongs to, but I'm sure it will eventually get partisan and ugly
and
> > then we will never know because all objectivity will fly away while the
> > interest groups try to cover their asses.
> >
> > "DC" <dc@spamyeruncle.org> wrote in message news:4318eb36$1@linux...
> >>
> >> He ought to get a medal. And perhaps a job running the evac.
> >>
> >> http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-th e-Astrodome
> >>
> >> DC
> >>
> >
> >
>
>Dedric,
Ditto, I appreciated it, and it was well said.
JH
Chris Latham wrote:
> Dedric,
>
> Thank you for such a straight forward statement of TRUTH!!! God bless you
> for taking a stand!
>
> Chris
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
> news:BF3E14B8.51B%dedric@echomg.com...
>
>>While I respect your opinion, you are guessing what another person thinks
>>without knowing them personally, much less their thoughts. Without
>
> knowing
>
>>someone's thoughts and intent first hand, your opinion isn't necessarily
>>true. If you portray that person in a negative light without that
>>knowledge, it is slander, or at best gossip. Even stating the truth about
>>someone else without permission is gossip.
>>
>>
>>>Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it.
>
> Policy
>
>>>aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
>>
>>Your last three statements here were not just "I think", but stated as
>
> fact.
>
>>But enough statement analysis... Suffice it to say, if there is a chance
>
> our
>
>>opinions of others could be wrong, they are better left unsaid. We all do
>>it though. It is a hard temptation to resist, especially when we feel
>>personal frustration. I do it too, sadly.
>>
>>You also seem to have a rather negative impression of Christians. A faith
>>not practiced in daily life isn't faith, but a set of beliefs adopted as a
>>hobby. You state religion is a crutch, but that is a sweeping
>>generalization. For some that may be true, but let's be clear about the
>>distinction between religions as organizations and faith as a belief in a
>>God. Religion is a perspective on a belief systems adopted by people.
>>Faith is rooted in the very heart and soul, not the head or intellect.
>>Faith is a two way street - without God to guide me, my faith would be
>>useless. At the same time, if I didn't believe God would guide me, it
>
> would
>
>>also be meaningless.
>>
>>Faith requires action, or it is just lip service ("Faith without works is
>>dead"). To act on religious laws or mandates is no different than acting
>>under corporate guidelines - it doesn't take faith in God to follow a few
>>rules, traditions or practices. Acting on faith as a Christian is between
>>the believer and God, based on God's own word (the Bible and prayer).
>
> Other
>
>>religions may claim the same communicative guidance, but my faith as a
>>Christian would be meaningless if I believed all religions were another
>
> form
>
>>of the truth, or if mine were just my personal interpretation, open for
>>variation, moderation and alteration at the whim of peers, society, a
>>religious organization, or those that disagree with me. If there is no
>>absolute truth, there is no absolute wrong. Simple logic tells us there
>
> has
>
>>to be some absolutes, or we will slide into complete chaos. So where do
>>those absolutes come from? God of course - through the Bible.
>>
>>The Bible is clear about homosexuality being wrong, as well as all sin
>>(lying, cheating, stealing, etc, etc, etc). I don't condemn homosexuals
>
> as
>
>>fellow citizens, friends and human beings but that doesn't somehow make it
>>"right" in a relative sense (i.e. only wrong "for me", but "right" for
>>them). From a Christian perspective, passing legislation to support and
>
> (in
>
>>effect) promote what is clearly stated as wrong in God's word is dangerous
>>for us as a country, not just people choosing that lifestyle - that's why
>
> it
>
>>enters politics, whether you believe it should be there or not (faith
>>without works...). It isn't about "pushing our beliefs on everyone else".
>>It is about seeing Sodom and Gomorrah (Babylon, Rome, etc) re-enacted over
>>and over throughout history as societies accept more and more decadent
>>behavior. We just don't want to see our country go down the same path by
>>making such Biblically stated sin issues a nationally supported belief
>>anymore than you want Christianity to become the national religion. You
>>wouldn't want a law passed requiring that rapists be given right to appeal
>>custody of a resulting child would you (I hope there isn't such a law
>>already, but who knows...)? Of course not. But here is the point -
>
> without
>
>>a moral basis, we have no line to draw where one action is okay, and
>
> another
>
>>isn't - it all become relative to personal interpretation and preference -
>>that includes murder, rape, incest, stealing, torture, genocide, etc, etc.
>>So, President Bush stands up for what he believes in his workplace -
>>politics. Others do the same. To say he shouldn't because his beliefs
>
> are
>
>>Christian beliefs would be denying Christians the freedom we are supposed
>
> to
>
>>allow non-Christians.
>>
>>As far as Iraq - we may never know exactly what the true reason "in the
>>grand scheme of things" was for this war - i.e. WMD seemed to be a decent
>>reason, but there were none found (probably in Syria). However, every
>>soldier returning from Iraq that I have talked to has said the Iraqis
>>welcome the change, even at the price they are paying. I could post
>
> quotes
>
>>and stories that would really make you think that there was a reason for
>>this well beyond and more significant than WMD, but time is short for me
>>today. My belief, and this isn't justification, is that Iraq will play a
>>strategic role in the future in some event we don't know about - left to
>>Saddam it could have been catastrophic, but maybe not by his hand, just as
>
> a
>
>>part of the puzzle of the world's stage.
>>
>>Whether you believe in God or not, He does lead people today, and He does
>>put events into motion for His purposes. Perhaps Iraq had nothing to do
>>with future defense or terrorism concerns, but simply the ability of a
>>people to have a chance at true freedom.
>>
>>
>>>"I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but
>
> I
>
>>>sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I
>
> know
>
>>>it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
>>
>>This is a basic faith concept for Christians. Running for President isn't
>>common, but many of us, if not most or all, follow this very same leading
>>every day - often into very risky and unknown territory, knowing the risk
>
> to
>
>>our families and even our lives could be at stake - but doing it for God's
>>glory and reasons, not ours. That is faith - being willing to do things
>>that aren't popular without regard for social, political or financial
>>standing, or even one's own life. I hadn't heard this exact quote, but in
>
> a
>
>>way, it's putting pieces of a puzzle together for me - likely to an
>
> opposite
>
>>conclusion from the one you seem to be drawing.
>>
>>Without first hand, personal knowledge of someone's intent, heart and
>
> mind,
>
>>we only know them by the way we perceive them through news blurbs, sound
>>bites and late-night talk shows. I have yet to see anyone on this forum
>>support believing everything you think you see or hear in the news, much
>>less believing your perception is accurate.
>>
>>I know pastors and Christians that personally spend time with President
>>Bush, and have with other presidents (Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Nixon,
>
> etc),
>
>>and I have met some of these men, heard them speak, read their books, etc.
>>There is a different picture painted of these Presidents than the one you
>>are demonstrating - it is one of real people trying to do their best to
>
> lead
>
>>our country. These aren't perfect people or perfect leaders, but no one
>
> on
>
>>this forum is any more perfect either.
>>
>>The key to Christian faith is grace. God's grace gave us a way to reach
>
> Him
>
>>through the sacrifice of His son, and offering us forgiveness through His
>>own sacrifice, if we only ask for it. By the same measure of grace we as
>>Christians are given the challenge to reach out to the rest of the world
>>with God's love to share that very same message with our speech, our
>>actions, and our lives - not through hatred, judgement or condemnation.
>>Satan loves to twist that message around, and indeed the intent of
>>well-meaning Christians - what better way to destroy God's design than to
>>discredit His followers, if not dishearten or overtake them?
>>
>>Thanks for your time jp, or anyone else that read this lonnnnnggg post.
>>Back to work, and best regards.
>>
>>Dedric
>
>
>I suppose so. Funny though, when I think of NO, I don't think of race. It's
the one place I've lived where it is less an issue with the populace than I
guess anywhere else I know of in the US. It was one of my favorite places
for just this reason. .......lots of acceptance of cultural differences
without a lot of ugliness. I guess that networks who don't know the town
could see a lot of misbehaviour, and automatically start the slanting
(purposely or not) coverage just because so many African Americans live
there.........but they are the majority of the population and I assure you
there are many thousands who are not in the criminal element and are being
victimized by those who are, no matter what their race. If this was
happening in Branson MO and there were lots of white folks starving and
freezing their asses off in a blizzard, I guarantee you they would be
breaking into Wal Mart and covering their asses too.
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:43190837$1@linux...
> You didn't mention race, Deej. But lots of folks are mentioning it.
>
> I've watched hundreds of hours of TV footage in the last 6 days, and very,
> very few of those hardest hit are white. There are plenty of white folk
who
> are completely devastated in MS and beyond, but it's mostly black folk who
> were trapped in NO, with no cars and no money and no buses to take them
out,
> no water and no food and no place to lay the dead and dying.
>
> I watched David Brookes and Tom Oliphant and Clarence Page at a round
table
> discussion tonight, all of them horrified at the almost total failure of
> government to take care of so many citizens. The consensus was that this
is
> a major turning point in all our lives, not just because of the suffering
> and pain, but because of the collective recoil in horror that we will see
in
> the coming days, the renewed interest in how to further promote and
> encourage equality.
>
> Ultimately, it's a class thing. We all know that. As soon as enough poor
> white and poor black people in America figure out that they have more in
> common than not, things are gonna change. This just might be the time for
> that, I don't know, but I know there's a fast-growing perception on both
> sides of the political isle, as we speak, that poor people are suffering
out
> of proportion, that we have, as a nation, been neglecting our duties as
> citizens, that government at every level, city/state/federal, has failed
> these people.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43190186@linux...
>
> > I agree with the politics. Who said anything about race?
>
>
>Its still just pointing fingers though... I dont know enough of the actual
specifics to do much more than repeat someone elses finger pointing.
I dont care who's fault it is. However, it's obvious that our national
guard is in Iraq not in the US where they should be.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:431919e5$1@linux...
> And that's precisely why it's the governors fault. Thgere were troops
> available to help. She didn't have it together enough to know how to
> utilize
> the resources available to her.......next door in Texas.
>
> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
> news:43191065@linux...
>> everyones got a finger to point, eh?
>>
>> yeah its the governors fault 80% of the countries national guard and
>> helicopters are in Iraq.
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:4318f10d@linux...
>> >I agree. I also think there is way too much generalization in using the
>> >word
>> > *looter* in this disaster. Hell, I'd be breaking down doors too if I
>> > was
>> > starving/distressed in whatever way. Even items that aren't consumables
>> > might be bartered for life sustaining things in a situation like this.
>> > It's
>> > becoming obvious that the Governor of LA totally dropped the ball. She
> had
>> > 6000 national guard troops available but on eyes on the ground in NO to
>> > tell
>> > hher where they would be needed. She also had access to federal troops
>> > from
>> > Ft. Hood Texas but didn't request help until it was too late,
>> > communications
>> > were down and no one knew what was going on. Even after news reports
>> > started
>> > hitting the airwaves, it appears that she hesitated. These Texas units
>> > are
>> > the troops that are just arriving. They could have been there the day
> the
>> > levees broke if she had been on top of things. Of course, with all the
>> > confusion right now, there could be other mitigating factors to her
>> > seemingly flawed decision making process. I don't know what political
>> > party
>> > she bleongs to, but I'm sure it will eventually get partisan and ugly
> and
>> > then we will never know because all objectivity will fly away while the
>> > interest groups try to cover their asses.
>> >
>> > "DC" <dc@spamyeruncle.org> wrote in message news:4318eb36$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> He ought to get a medal. And perhaps a job running the evac.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-th e-Astrodome
>> >>
>> >> DC
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>Well............can you blame a guy for asking his dad to cut him some
slack?
;oP
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fvuhh19emndrfsh551vp3pabnu6iqjn8d6@4ax.com...
> my friend, everybody lies. there has Never been a human being that
> has not lied about something. even when christ asked his father if
> this was all necessary while he was on the cross temporarily negated
> all the holy truths to make a point.
>
> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:38:50 -0600, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >Hmmmm........I agree with the 40 centuries thing. As for the lying, maybe
we
> >should look at who was doing the lying......like the UN, the French,
Sadaam,
> >quite a few scumbags of various ilk here and in other countries,
including
> >our own Oscar Wyatt of Coastal Energy and ol' whatsisname who never had
> >sexual relations with that woman........ depending on what the meaning of
> >"is" is, of course, his criminal buddy Mark Rich whom he pardoned and
whose
> >wife is Hilary's good buddy.......and so on. If Mr. Bill would have been
> >minding the store, there wouldn't have been a Sadaam or any of this Iraq
> >crap now because he could have attended to it through the UN
(theoretically)
> >before the was was so conveniently forgotten and Sadaam had a chance to
> >bribe his way out of the sanctions.
> >
> >
> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:2onhh1dlam54a0u1i9t7g64rbcfjspl94m@4ax.com...
> >> true, cuz they felt the whatever right would never lie to them. hey,
> >> everybody lies about everything if they see a big enough benefit for
> >> themselves for whatever reason...and i gots 40 centuries of history on
> >> my side for this statement.
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:33:20 -0600, "DJ"
> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I agree.....and because the middle did nothing, the war that started
in
> >1991
> >> >never ended.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:26ahh19c5chmg8si9bhcluuakm6ibg3eo6@4ax.com...
> >> >> first, we don't have the manpower to pull off what would be need to
be
> >> >> done.
> >> >> second, we'd have to lose the "nice guy" approach to a war of this
> >> >> kind.
> >> >> third, i believe all sides have the not only the right but the duty
to
> >> >> speak up. imho, it's when the middle says and does nothing is when
> >> >> you get a sadam or hitler...cuz it's only the extremes who do all
the
> >> >> talking and taking.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:41:22 -0600, "DJ"
> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >It's certainly looking that way isn't it?........and this is
because
> >of
> >> >the
> >> >> >*middle* I was talking about. We don't have the balls to stand up
and
> >> >fight
> >> >> >anymore and the enemies of this country know that all they need to
do
> >is
> >> >> >wait for the leftists to get their various *activist movements* in
> >gear
> >> >and
> >> >> >undermine the military effort while spouting off their
quasitreasonous
> >> >crap
> >> >> >while wrapping it in pseudopatriotic bullshit.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It's as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:bssgh1pu1n27anqr51elceg798jqjcdggq@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> but we are fighting a half assed war in a half assed fashion just
as
> >> >> >> we did in vietnam.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:14:46 -0600, "DJ"
> >> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The
> >middle
> >> >> >would
> >> >> >> >work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly
> >> >acknowledge
> >> >> >> >and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as
> >serious
> >> >as
> >> >> >> >WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you
can't
> >> >fight
> >> >> >a
> >> >> >> >war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you
first
> >> >> >> >acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >> "perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I
see
> >and
> >> >> >> >> seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me."
> >> >kinda
> >> >> >> >> sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes
> >the
> >> >> >> >> norm.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> :o(
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
> >> >> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies.
If I
> >am
> >> >> >> >> >stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every
> >anti-industry
> >> >> >> >> >viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I
do
> >> >> >question
> >> >> >> >> >both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might
> >> >discover
> >> >> >> >that
> >> >> >> >> >I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with
the
> >> >least
> >> >> >> >> >dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in
the
> >> >middle
> >> >> >> >that
> >> >> >> >> >looks reasonable to me.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message
news:43174724$1@linux...
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just
reinforced
> >the
> >> >> >> >> >stereotype
> >> >> >> >> >> of someone who works in the industry.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the
new
> >> >White
> >> >> >> >House
> >> >> >> >> >> >sponsored
> >> >> >> >> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails
to
> >> >reduce
> >> >> >> >> >> >America's
> >> >> >> >> >> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global
> >> >warming,
> >> >> >> >fails
> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy,
and
> >> >fails
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >help
> >> >> >> >> >> >consumers
> >> >> >> >> >> >> at the gas pump.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> What it did do includes:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
> >> >> >> >construction
> >> >> >> >> >> >activities
> >> >> >> >> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of
> >oil
> >> >per
> >> >> >day
> >> >> >> >in
> >> >> >> >> >> >2014
> >> >> >> >> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil
industry.
> >(Who
> >> >> >are
> >> >> >> >all
> >> >> >> >> >> >showing
> >> >> >> >> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest
> >> >giveaway
> >> >> >of
> >> >> >> >all
> >> >> >> >> >> >time.)
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to
> >list
> >> >but
> >> >> >my
> >> >> >> >> >> >personal
> >> >> >> >> >> >> favorites are:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana
to
> >> >> >> >compensate
> >> >> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> >> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which
> >studies
> >> >have
> >> >> >> >> >> >concluded
> >> >> >> >> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will
> >give
> >> >you
> >> >> >> >$800
> >> >> >> >> >> >million
> >> >> >> >> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has
> >> >> >considerable
> >> >> >> >> >> >holdings
> >> >> >> >> >> >> in one of the companies.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby
> >*insisted*
> >> >on
> >> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain
> >emissions
> >> >> >levels.
> >> >> >> >It
> >> >> >> >> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated.
Turns
> >out
> >> >it
> >> >> >was
> >> >> >> >> >bad
> >> >> >> >> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when
> >they
> >> >only
> >> >> >> >did
> >> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> >> >because it was federally mandated.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge,
> >but
> >> >also
> >> >> >> >> >similar
> >> >> >> >> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the
Chaney
> >> >family
> >> >> >> >has
> >> >> >> >> >> >future
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the
eastern
> >> >slope
> >> >> >of
> >> >> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right
> >outside
> >> >of
> >> >> >> >> >Glacier
> >> >> >> >> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it.
The
> >fact
> >> >> >that
> >> >> >> >> >Cheney
> >> >> >> >> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro
Cheyney,
> >> >but
> >> >> >he's
> >> >> >> >> >from
> >> >> >> >> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four
> >generations
> >> >> >ago
> >> >> >> >just
> >> >> >> >> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural
gas
> >> >prices.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked
with
> >> >him
> >> >> >> >before.
> >> >> >> >> >> If
> >> >> >> >> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good
> >thing
> >> >to
> >> >> >get
> >> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its
> >the
> >> >> >> >> >Halliburton
> >> >> >> >> >> >thing, right?
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a
business
> >> >you
> >> >> >> >would
> >> >> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> >> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of
its
> >> >energy
> >> >> >> >> >> >efficiency.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned
a
> >> >> >business,
> >> >> >> >> >you
> >> >> >> >> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from
> >the
> >> >IRS.
> >> >> >> >> >(Public
> >> >> >> >> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax
> >loophole.)
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree
> >huggers.
> >> >> >(Just
> >> >> >> >a
> >> >> >> >> >> >little perspective)
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >;o)
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gene
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability
is
> >our
> >> >> >> >absolute
> >> >> >> >> >> >reliance
> >> >> >> >> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources
are
> >> >> >negatively
> >> >> >> >> >> >effected
> >> >> >> >> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially
enslaves
> >us
> >> >to
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >> >large
> >> >> >> >> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for
Big-Stick
> >> >> >diplomacy.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in
> >the
> >> >> >road.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the
> >idea
> >> >that
> >> >> >we
> >> >> >> >> >must
> >> >> >> >> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy
> >> >> >suppliers
> >> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> >> >> help
> >> >> >> >> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working.
This
> >> >will
> >> >> >help
> >> >> >> >> >make
> >> >> >> >> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time
before
> >we
> >> >> >> >completely
> >> >> >> >> >> >run
> >> >> >> >> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous
> >health
> >> >> >issues
> >> >> >> >> >and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of
this
> >> >> >already
> >> >> >> >> >> >started.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and
> >energy
> >> >> >> >> >independence,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help
us
> >now.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that
actually
> >> >cares
> >> >> >more
> >> >> >> >> >about
> >> >> >> >> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gene
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>............errrrrr............well...........anyone used one? I know it's
been around for a while and I've been reading the literature on this. It
looks like a really nice way to enhance LF elements within a mix while
keeping them isolated in the sound stage. Could also be a big asset to
mixing tracks that that were recorded in the same space with lots of mic
bleed witthout having to EQ the life out fo certain tracks.....maybe?We are in a war. It is part of the job of the national guard to fight in
wars. There were plenty of troops available here, but the feds can't just
send the army into a state without the governor requesting it, just as she
would call up the national guard. It's just a different request line and one
she should have known about if she was doing her job.
I don't think *anyone* bears all the blame though. It's like everyone was in
denial that this could happen..........so who is responsible for the Cat 3
levees?
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
news:43191d0b@linux...
> Its still just pointing fingers though... I dont know enough of the actual
> specifics to do much more than repeat someone elses finger pointing.
>
> I dont care who's fault it is. However, it's obvious that our national
> guard is in Iraq not in the US where they should be.
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:431919e5$1@linux...
> > And that's precisely why it's the governors fault. Thgere were troops
> > available to help. She didn't have it together enough to know how to
> > utilize
> > the resources available to her.......next door in Texas.
> >
> > "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
> > news:43191065@linux...
> >> everyones got a finger to point, eh?
> >>
> >> yeah its the governors fault 80% of the countries national guard and
> >> helicopters are in Iraq.
> >>
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4318f10d@linux...
> >> >I agree. I also think there is way too much generalization in using
the
> >> >word
> >> > *looter* in this disaster. Hell, I'd be breaking down doors too if I
> >> > was
> >> > starving/distressed in whatever way. Even items that aren't
consumables
> >> > might be bartered for life sustaining things in a situation like
this.
> >> > It's
> >> > becoming obvious that the Governor of LA totally dropped the ball.
She
> > had
> >> > 6000 national guard troops available but on eyes on the ground in NO
to
> >> > tell
> >> > hher where they would be needed. She also had access to federal
troops
> >> > from
> >> > Ft. Hood Texas but didn't request help until it was too late,
> >> > communications
> >> > were down and no one knew what was going on. Even after news reports
> >> > started
> >> > hitting the airwaves, it appears that she hesitated. These Texas
units
> >> > are
> >> > the troops that are just arriving. They could have been there the day
> > the
> >> > levees broke if she had been on top of things. Of course, with all
the
> >> > confusion right now, there could be other mitigating factors to her
> >> > seemingly flawed decision making process. I don't know what political
> >> > party
> >> > she bleongs to, but I'm sure it will eventually get partisan and ugly
> > and
> >> > then we will never know because all objectivity will fly away while
the
> >> > interest groups try to cover their asses.
> >> >
> >> > "DC" <dc@spamyeruncle.org> wrote in message news:4318eb36$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> He ought to get a medal. And perhaps a job running the evac.
> >> >>
> >> >>
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-th e-Astrodome
> >> >>
> >> >> DC
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>The irony is inescapable is it not? New Orleans police and prison officials
release inmates days ago - they simply walk out to never be seen again while
this young guy grabs a bus load of complete strangers and gets cuffed in
Houston for taking them all to safety.
"Welcome to Houston folks, this is officer Cuffer, he'll determine whether
or not you saved your ass from a K5 without breaking any Houston laws...
after that, we'll let the 8-day old infants's mother eat so she can produce
milk for that starving 8-day old baby."
Dubya
"DC" <dc@spamyeruncle.org> wrote in message news:4318eb36$1@linux...
>
> He ought to get a medal. And perhaps a job running the evac.
>
> http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-th e-Astrodome
>
> DC
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4319204e$1@linux...
> We are in a war. It is part of the job of the national guard to fight in
> wars. There were plenty of troops available here, but the feds can't just
> send the army into a state without the governor requesting it, just as she
> would call up the national guard. It's just a different request line and
> one
> she should have known about if she was doing her job.
Yeah a fake "war". The feds wouldn't have to send their troops if there
were more national guard around...
My only point I guess is that the fingerpointing back and forth at the
governor vs. the feds is completely rediculous.
> I don't think *anyone* bears all the blame though. It's like everyone was
> in
> denial that this could happen..........so who is responsible for the Cat 3
> levees?
I dunno... Bush?
> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
> news:43191d0b@linux...
>> Its still just pointing fingers though... I dont know enough of the
>> actual
>> specifics to do much more than repeat someone elses finger pointing.
>>
>> I dont care who's fault it is. However, it's obvious that our national
>> guard is in Iraq not in the US where they should be.
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:431919e5$1@linux...
>> > And that's precisely why it's the governors fault. Thgere were troops
>> > available to help. She didn't have it together enough to know how to
>> > utilize
>> > the resources available to her.......next door in Texas.
>> >
>> > "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
>> > news:43191065@linux...
>> >> everyones got a finger to point, eh?
>> >>
>> >> yeah its the governors fault 80% of the countries national guard and
>> >> helicopters are in Iraq.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:4318f10d@linux...
>> >> >I agree. I also think there is way too much generalization in using
> the
>> >> >word
>> >> > *looter* in this disaster. Hell, I'd be breaking down doors too if I
>> >> > was
>> >> > starving/distressed in whatever way. Even items that aren't
> consumables
>> >> > might be bartered for life sustaining things in a situation like
> this.
>> >> > It's
>> >> > becoming obvious that the Governor of LA totally dropped the ball.
> She
>> > had
>> >> > 6000 national guard troops available but on eyes on the ground in NO
> to
>> >> > tell
>> >> > hher where they would be needed. She also had access to federal
> troops
>> >> > from
>> >> > Ft. Hood Texas but didn't request help until it was too late,
>> >> > communications
>> >> > were down and no one knew what was going on. Even after news reports
>> >> > started
>> >> > hitting the airwaves, it appears that she hesitated. These Texas
> units
>> >> > are
>> >> > the troops that are just arriving. They could have been there the
>> >> > day
>> > the
>> >> > levees broke if she had been on top of things. Of course, with all
> the
>> >> > confusion right now, there could be other mitigating factors to her
>> >> > seemingly flawed decision making process. I don't know what
>> >> > political
>> >> > party
>> >> > she bleongs to, but I'm sure it will eventually get partisan and
>> >> > ugly
>> > and
>> >> > then we will never know because all objectivity will fly away while
> the
>> >> > interest groups try to cover their asses.
>> >> >
>> >> > "DC" <dc@spamyeruncle.org> wrote in message news:4318eb36$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> He ought to get a medal. And perhaps a job running the evac.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
> http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-th e-Astrodome
>> >> >>
>> >> >> DC
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>Don't mis-interpret me. That ain't appropriate.
I ain't preachin' racist hatred. That ain't what I said.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43191c53$1@linux...
> I suppose so. Funny though, when I think of NO, I don't think of race.
It's
> the one place I've lived where it is less an issue with the populace than
I
> guess anywhere else I know of in the US. It was one of my favorite places
> for just this reason. .......lots of acceptance of cultural differences
> without a lot of ugliness. I guess that networks who don't know the town
> could see a lot of misbehaviour, and automatically start the slanting
> (purposely or not) coverage just because so many African Americans live
> there.........but they are the majority of the population and I assure you
> there are many thousands who are not in the criminal element and are being
> victimized by those who are, no matter what their race. If this was
> happening in Branson MO and there were lots of white folks starving and
> freezing their asses off in a blizzard, I guarantee you they would be
> breaking into Wal Mart and covering their asses too.
>The kink in your summation Kim is that you begin with the implausible
assumption that your lifetime encompasses and/or surpasses the earth's
weather cycles. Your local weatherman's records don't reflect, nor will
they ever before you kick the bucket, the aforementioned climatic cycle or
cycles. And even if this were not true, what is the scientific data and
basis you rely upon in ostensibly saying that this would not have happened
if Bush had signed on to Kyoto 5 years ago? If, under your inferred theory,
the current climatic trends started just 5 years ago, you're uninformed in
my opinion. If under your inferred theory, the current climatic trends
started more like 70 years ago, any belief that a move 5 years ago to
reverse the causes, if any, of the current climatic trends, would have
averted Katrina - well... that is exactly what I said it was -
*meteorologically illiterate.* Whether true or not - those words are not
meant to be rude or insulting - but if I were to go off about something
which I truly knew very little and all I could do was draw down on one and
only one conclusion from what I have observed in a relatively short period
of time without taking in a great body of other variables, data, theory, and
factual basis and then someone showed that to me and told me I was
illiterate about the topic and I couldn't do anything but repeat what I know
over and over again - well - folks would conclude that I was illiterate
about the topic.
Dubya
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4318090c@linux...
>
> "W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>No disrespect to you but what a crock to conclude that a Cat5 'cane has
>
>>anything to do with GW or global warming/cooling.
>
> Well, no disrespect to you, but when I hear ten years of talk about how
> weather
> will get more severe and more extreme, and when I look at weather in my
> own
> city, and not only notice the changes, but also hear constant news reports
> confirming that we're hitting more extremes more often, well it leads me
> to the natural conclusion that maybe, just maybe, all those scientists who
> claimed for years that we should expect worse hurricanes, well maybe they
> were right.
>
> You're right in the simple example that one cat5 does not a global warming
> link make. And records, one would expect, will be broken from time to time
> anyhow.
>
> Personally I start to think something is amiss though when I hear "Warmest
> [month x] on record" every couple of months. I don't expect to change your
> mind Mark, as I've learned that Don C is pretty much dead on when he says
> nobody ever changes their minds in these discussions. None the less, every
> time global warming comes up on this NG I always have a record to resite
> for my home city for the current day, week, or month, and it's more often
> than not something like it was this time...
>
> OK. Let me tell you some stats:
>
> This year, for Melbourne, where I live...
>
> 2004 was the 4th warmest year on record. We finished off 2004 with the
> wettest
> end to a year ever. Then had the coldest February (summer) day on record
> which included the highest rainfall ever in the city by a factor of 20%,
> which was 3 times the average MONTHLY rainfall ALL IN A SINGLE DAY. The
> coldest
> February since 1954. Wettest February since 1973. Driest Autumn since 1900
> since records (1900) for the state. Warmest autumn since 1950. (Autumn
> here
> being Mar, Apr, May of course).
>
> Meanwhile July's minimum temps were the (equal) warmest on record.
>
> We started August by being told 2 weeks in that averages were warmer than
> any August on record. Then week 3 I got snowed on in Ringwood. It doesn't
> snow in Ringwood, period. It was the coldest August day since the 70's.
> The
> most extreme August since, oh I don't remember...
>
> Sorry dude. I can see where you're coming from, but honestly, where I'm
> sitting,
> things just aren't normal. And more and more people are saying it...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.I hope you all got to hear Aaron Neville do his rendition of Randy Newman’s
Louisiana 1927 on the telethon tonight. Even though he was singing to a TV
track, it was great. Arron certainly nailed it as did Randy when he wrote
it.
What has happened down here is the wind have changed
Clouds roll in from the north and it started to rain
Rained real hard and rained for a real long time
Six feet of water in the streets of Evangeline
The river rose all day
The river rose all night
Some people got lost in the flood
Some people got away alright
The river have busted through cleard down to Plaquemines
Six feet of water in the streets of Evangelne
CHORUS
Louisiana, Louisiana
They're tyrin' to wash us away
They're tryin' to wash us away
Louisiana, Louisiana
They're tryin' to wash us away
They're tryin' to wash us away
President Coolidge came down in a railroad train
With a little fat man with a note-pad in his hand
The President say, "Little fat man isn't it a shame what the river has
done
To this poor crackers land."
CHORUSI dunno Deej. If we (right, left, up or down) truly acknowledged that
the war (Iraq? Afghanistan? Terrorism? whatever you're discussing) is as
serious as WWII, we would be sacrificing at home as in WWII. We aren't.
Not on that scale. We are, however, running up a huge credit account so
our kids can make the sacrifices we are avoiding.
If we recognized that we can't win a war in a half assed effort, we
would have paid more attention to the total intelligence and military
command advice, used more troops and planned better for the major part
of the campaign, the part after marching in. We would have more
carefully judged priorities regarding Iraq and Afghanistan. And we would
have captured Bin Laden by now.
I don't see that the officials you are putting your faith in are
completely living up to your expectations, at least in some of these
areas. Granted they have had some successes.
Maybe I'm missing something, but speculating about what the alternative
leadership might have done is less convincing that seeing what the
current leadership has not done.
Another area where we need better leadership is on energy policy. What
we got from our current leadership seems short sighted.
Cheers,
-Jamie K
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The middle would
> work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly acknowledge
> and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as serious as
> WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you can't fight a
> war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you first
> acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
>
> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
>
>>"perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I see and
>>seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me." kinda
>>sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes the
>>norm.
>>
>>:o(
>>
>>On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
>><animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I am
>>>stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every anti-industry
>>>viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I do question
>>>both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might discover
>
> that
>
>>>I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the least
>>>dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the middle
>
> that
>
>>>looks reasonable to me.
>>>That's what is so disturbing about the left. This war started in 1991 with
Sadaam's invasion of Kuwait. There was nothing fake about it. Just because
Clinton and the UN didnt choose to call Sadaam on his violations of UN
sanctions didn't mean that somehow they weren't valid. They war never
stopped. Some folks just found it convenient to forget about it.
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
news:4319265b$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:4319204e$1@linux...
> > We are in a war. It is part of the job of the national guard to fight in
> > wars. There were plenty of troops available here, but the feds can't
just
> > send the army into a state without the governor requesting it, just as
she
> > would call up the national guard. It's just a different request line and
> > one
> > she should have known about if she was doing her job.
>
> Yeah a fake "war". The feds wouldn't have to send their troops if there
> were more national guard around...
>
> My only point I guess is that the fingerpointing back and forth at the
> governor vs. the feds is completely rediculous.
>
> > I don't think *anyone* bears all the blame though. It's like everyone
was
> > in
> > denial that this could happen..........so who is responsible for the Cat
3
> > levees?
>
> I dunno... Bush?
>
> > "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
> > news:43191d0b@linux...
> >> Its still just pointing fingers though... I dont know enough of the
> >> actual
> >> specifics to do much more than repeat someone elses finger pointing.
> >>
> >> I dont care who's fault it is. However, it's obvious that our national
> >> guard is in Iraq not in the US where they should be.
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> news:431919e5$1@linux...
> >> > And that's precisely why it's the governors fault. Thgere were troops
> >> > available to help. She didn't have it together enough to know how to
> >> > utilize
> >> > the resources available to her.......next door in Texas.
> >> >
> >> > "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
> >> > news:43191065@linux...
> >> >> everyones got a finger to point, eh?
> >> >>
> >> >> yeah its the governors fault 80% of the countries national guard and
> >> >> helicopters are in Iraq.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:4318f10d@linux...
> >> >> >I agree. I also think there is way too much generalization in using
> > the
> >> >> >word
> >> >> > *looter* in this disaster. Hell, I'd be breaking down doors too if
I
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > starving/distressed in whatever way. Even items that aren't
> > consumables
> >> >> > might be bartered for life sustaining things in a situation like
> > this.
> >> >> > It's
> >> >> > becoming obvious that the Governor of LA totally dropped the ball.
> > She
> >> > had
> >> >> > 6000 national guard troops available but on eyes on the ground in
NO
> > to
> >> >> > tell
> >> >> > hher where they would be needed. She also had access to federal
> > troops
> >> >> > from
> >> >> > Ft. Hood Texas but didn't request help until it was too late,
> >> >> > communications
> >> >> > were down and no one knew what was going on. Even after news
reports
> >> >> > started
> >> >> > hitting the airwaves, it appears that she hesitated. These Texas
> > units
> >> >> > are
> >> >> > the troops that are just arriving. They could have been there the
> >> >> > day
> >> > the
> >> >> > levees broke if she had been on top of things. Of course, with all
> > the
> >> >> > confusion right now, there could be other mitigating factors to
her
> >> >> > seemingly flawed decision making process. I don't know what
> >> >> > political
> >> >> > party
> >> >> > she bleongs to, but I'm sure it will eventually get partisan and
> >> >> > ugly
> >> > and
> >> >> > then we will never know because all objectivity will fly away
while
> > the
> >> >> > interest groups try to cover their asses.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "DC" <dc@spamyeruncle.org> wrote in message
news:4318eb36$1@linux...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> He ought to get a medal. And perhaps a job running the evac.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> > http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-th e-Astrodome
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> DC
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>I wasn't accusing you, or anyone here of that of that. I realize that you
were just picking up on third party info/vibe/nuance/spin/slant or whatever.
I've done the same thing mayelf.
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4319288d$1@linux...
> Don't mis-interpret me. That ain't appropriate.
>
> I ain't preachin' racist hatred. That ain't what I said.
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43191c53$1@linux...
> > I suppose so. Funny though, when I think of NO, I don't think of race.
> It's
> > the one place I've lived where it is less an issue with the populace
than
> I
> > guess anywhere else I know of in the US. It was one of my favorite
places
> > for just this reason. .......lots of acceptance of cultural differences
> > without a lot of ugliness. I guess that networks who don't know the
town
> > could see a lot of misbehaviour, and automatically start the slanting
> > (purposely or not) coverage just because so many African Americans live
> > there.........but they are the majority of the population and I assure
you
> > there are many thousands who are not in the criminal element and are
being
> > victimized by those who are, no matter what their race. If this was
> > happening in Branson MO and there were lots of white folks starving and
> > freezing their asses off in a blizzard, I guarantee you they would be
> > breaking into Wal Mart and covering their asses too.
> >
>
>
>it costs $100 to fill the tank.
how long?"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>so who is responsible for the Cat 3
>> levees?
>
>I dunno... Bush?
Typical response from the lefties... you fuckers need to grow up.
Bush, believe it or not, is not repsonsible for every bad thing
that happens.
NeilIf the fingerpointing is so ridiculous, then why are you doing it? Or are
you saying it's only ridiculous when other people do it but quite different
thing when you do it?
Dubya
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
news:4319265b$1@linux...
> My only point I guess is that the fingerpointing back and forth at the
> governor vs. the feds is completely rediculous.Let's the knives away and stop being partisan at a time like this
Here's the issues
1. Bad or nonexistent local emergency plans and personnel. This arises from
a corrupt local gummint that has been winked at for generations in NO.
The mayor in particular is a flaming a**hole.
2 No genuine local or state leadership that was competent and
courageous. See above. They should have made themselves
visible and set the tone of decency and recovery. That's what
Giuliani did in NYC, and it was desperately needed here.
4. There are plenty of national guard available. They are
commanded specifically by a state's governor NOT by any federal
entity. In fact, there is a law against any troops commanded by
the federal government enforcing laws within the country. The
guard must be commanded by the governor.
5. No evac. plans for poor people?? WHAT? The median house
in NO is 81,000 in NO (it's 485,000 in San Diego) which means
there are lots of poor people in NO. But 255 buses left to rot in the
water because no one in the city gummint even thought to use
them? All of them, from the mayor on down to his lowliest
patronage recipient bureaucrat who did nothing to create a realistic
emergency plan, then provided no leadership to this day, should be
in jail.
6. No stock of food, no water, no meds, not enough cops... it goes
on and on, none of it having anything to do with Iraq or the
president. I do think that big changes in leadership in Homeland
Security are needed and are coming.
7. Having said all that, the feds should have pre-staged personnel
and materiel and been ready. It would have saved 24 hours and
some lives. It's a stretch to blame Bush for this however, unless
he does nothing to sharpen up the agencies responsible.
You Bush-haters will find other things to hate him for. This ain't
it, and worse, it sucks to use this terrible disaster to do your
little hate litany again.
DCAlready done it. $113. I drive a great big ozone killing gas loving
big-ass truck. Goes through gas like there's no tomorrow... in fact, me and
my ol' truck and GW are working on makin' sure there ain't no tomorrow.
Presently, I don't get MPG - I get GPM... the lower the better I aalways
say. Sometimes I just fire it up and let it run just to see if I can
hogcall up one of them there K5's or F7. Had my gas cap autographed this
week by GW, several big TX oil tycoons - hope to get a few more on the left
front fender and right on the tank...
Anybody got a light?
Dubya
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
news:43193141@linux...
> it costs $100 to fill the tank.
>
> how long?
>The kid who took the bus; Jabbor Gibson, was on with Greta on
Fox tonight. What a great story!
A hero. Beyond a doubt.
DCDC wrote:
> Let's the knives away and stop being partisan at a time like this
(good points munched)
> You Bush-haters will find other things to hate him for. This ain't
> it, and worse, it sucks to use this terrible disaster to do your
> little hate litany again.
>
> DC
Heh. Wow. Good to see that you put away the partisan knives, Don. :^)
BTW, I agree that there's plenty of blame to go around from local gov on
up to the fed response. And the warnings about the potential for this
disaster were many and detailed, including a PBS documentary that
spelled it all out with fancy graphics within the last year or two.
Cheers,
-Jamie K
http://www.JamieKrutz.comJamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>Heh. Wow. Good to see that you put away the partisan knives, Don. :^)
Did you understand what I said??
Bush will get the blame he deserves. I am not defending him.
It is important, if this is not to happen again, to understand what
really happened, and not jerk too many knees too fast.
Us turning this into Iraq, Kyoto, and other things not relevant,
only angers many of us, while shedding no light on the issues.
DCYou know that isn't fair. That statement could equate Bush with Saddam
Hussein and Hitler. And by the same evaluation, David (of David and
Goliath) would fall into the same category for slaying Goliath and later
conquering the Philistines, even though there is plenty of scripture to
paint a different picture of him, faults and all.
The same would also have to be said of Presidents Madison, Polk, Lincoln,
McKinley, Wilson, Hoover, Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon,
Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton, as well as a long list of other
countries' leaders, both good and bad. But that isn't fair to them either.
Please don't use the Bible to conveniently cast stones at people you don't
agree with. You are above this line of reasoning.
Regards,
Dedric
On 9/2/05 9:06 PM, in article 43191349@linux, "justcron"
<justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
> You'll know a true servant of God by their fruits.
>
> Bush's fruits are death and destruction.
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
> news:BF3E14B8.51B%dedric@echomg.com...
>> While I respect your opinion, you are guessing what another person thinks
>> without knowing them personally, much less their thoughts. Without
>> knowing
>> someone's thoughts and intent first hand, your opinion isn't necessarily
>> true. If you portray that person in a negative light without that
>> knowledge, it is slander, or at best gossip. Even stating the truth about
>> someone else without permission is gossip.
>>
>>> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it. Policy
>>> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
>>
>> Your last three statements here were not just "I think", but stated as
>> fact.
>> But enough statement analysis... Suffice it to say, if there is a chance
>> our
>> opinions of others could be wrong, they are better left unsaid. We all do
>> it though. It is a hard temptation to resist, especially when we feel
>> personal frustration. I do it too, sadly.
>>
>> You also seem to have a rather negative impression of Christians. A faith
>> not practiced in daily life isn't faith, but a set of beliefs adopted as a
>> hobby. You state religion is a crutch, but that is a sweeping
>> generalization. For some that may be true, but let's be clear about the
>> distinction between religions as organizations and faith as a belief in a
>> God. Religion is a perspective on a belief systems adopted by people.
>> Faith is rooted in the very heart and soul, not the head or intellect.
>> Faith is a two way street - without God to guide me, my faith would be
>> useless. At the same time, if I didn't believe God would guide me, it
>> would
>> also be meaningless.
>>
>> Faith requires action, or it is just lip service ("Faith without works is
>> dead"). To act on religious laws or mandates is no different than acting
>> under corporate guidelines - it doesn't take faith in God to follow a few
>> rules, traditions or practices. Acting on faith as a Christian is between
>> the believer and God, based on God's own word (the Bible and prayer).
>> Other
>> religions may claim the same communicative guidance, but my faith as a
>> Christian would be meaningless if I believed all religions were another
>> form
>> of the truth, or if mine were just my personal interpretation, open for
>> variation, moderation and alteration at the whim of peers, society, a
>> religious organization, or those that disagree with me. If there is no
>> absolute truth, there is no absolute wrong. Simple logic tells us there
>> has
>> to be some absolutes, or we will slide into complete chaos. So where do
>> those absolutes come from? God of course - through the Bible.
>>
>> The Bible is clear about homosexuality being wrong, as well as all sin
>> (lying, cheating, stealing, etc, etc, etc). I don't condemn homosexuals
>> as
>> fellow citizens, friends and human beings but that doesn't somehow make it
>> "right" in a relative sense (i.e. only wrong "for me", but "right" for
>> them). From a Christian perspective, passing legislation to support and
>> (in
>> effect) promote what is clearly stated as wrong in God's word is dangerous
>> for us as a country, not just people choosing that lifestyle - that's why
>> it
>> enters politics, whether you believe it should be there or not (faith
>> without works...). It isn't about "pushing our beliefs on everyone else".
>> It is about seeing Sodom and Gomorrah (Babylon, Rome, etc) re-enacted over
>> and over throughout history as societies accept more and more decadent
>> behavior. We just don't want to see our country go down the same path by
>> making such Biblically stated sin issues a nationally supported belief
>> anymore than you want Christianity to become the national religion. You
>> wouldn't want a law passed requiring that rapists be given right to appeal
>> custody of a resulting child would you (I hope there isn't such a law
>> already, but who knows...)? Of course not. But here is the point -
>> without
>> a moral basis, we have no line to draw where one action is okay, and
>> another
>> isn't - it all become relative to personal interpretation and preference -
>> that includes murder, rape, incest, stealing, torture, genocide, etc, etc.
>> So, President Bush stands up for what he believes in his workplace -
>> politics. Others do the same. To say he shouldn't because his beliefs
>> are
>> Christian beliefs would be denying Christians the freedom we are supposed
>> to
>> allow non-Christians.
>>
>> As far as Iraq - we may never know exactly what the true reason "in the
>> grand scheme of things" was for this war - i.e. WMD seemed to be a decent
>> reason, but there were none found (probably in Syria). However, every
>> soldier returning from Iraq that I have talked to has said the Iraqis
>> welcome the change, even at the price they are paying. I could post
>> quotes
>> and stories that would really make you think that there was a reason for
>> this well beyond and more significant than WMD, but time is short for me
>> today. My belief, and this isn't justification, is that Iraq will play a
>> strategic role in the future in some event we don't know about - left to
>> Saddam it could have been catastrophic, but maybe not by his hand, just as
>> a
>> part of the puzzle of the world's stage.
>>
>> Whether you believe in God or not, He does lead people today, and He does
>> put events into motion for His purposes. Perhaps Iraq had nothing to do
>> with future defense or terrorism concerns, but simply the ability of a
>> people to have a chance at true freedom.
>>
>>> "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I
>>> sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I
>>> know
>>> it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
>>
>> This is a basic faith concept for Christians. Running for President isn't
>> common, but many of us, if not most or all, follow this very same leading
>> every day - often into very risky and unknown territory, knowing the risk
>> to
>> our families and even our lives could be at stake - but doing it for God's
>> glory and reasons, not ours. That is faith - being willing to do things
>> that aren't popular without regard for social, political or financial
>> standing, or even one's own life. I hadn't heard this exact quote, but in
>> a
>> way, it's putting pieces of a puzzle together for me - likely to an
>> opposite
>> conclusion from the one you seem to be drawing.
>>
>> Without first hand, personal knowledge of someone's intent, heart and
>> mind,
>> we only know them by the way we perceive them through news blurbs, sound
>> bites and late-night talk shows. I have yet to see anyone on this forum
>> support believing everything you think you see or hear in the news, much
>> less believing your perception is accurate.
>>
>> I know pastors and Christians that personally spend time with President
>> Bush, and have with other presidents (Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Nixon,
>> etc),
>> and I have met some of these men, heard them speak, read their books, etc.
>> There is a different picture painted of these Presidents than the one you
>> are demonstrating - it is one of real people trying to do their best to
>> lead
>> our country. These aren't perfect people or perfect leaders, but no one
>> on
>> this forum is any more perfect either.
>>
>> The key to Christian faith is grace. God's grace gave us a way to reach
>> Him
>> through the sacrifice of His son, and offering us forgiveness through His
>> own sacrifice, if we only ask for it. By the same measure of grace we as
>> Christians are given the challenge to reach out to the rest of the world
>> with God's love to share that very same message with our speech, our
>> actions, and our lives - not through hatred, judgement or condemnation.
>> Satan loves to twist that message around, and indeed the intent of
>> well-meaning Christians - what better way to destroy God's design than to
>> discredit His followers, if not dishearten or overtake them?
>>
>> Thanks for your time jp, or anyone else that read this lonnnnnggg post.
>> Back to work, and best regards.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>>
>> in article 4318939f@linux, jp at no@mail.please wrote on 9/2/05 1:01 PM:
>>
>>>
>>> "DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
>>> news:BF3DC8FD.401F%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>>>> jp - Your climatology insight is fairly well reasoned. Your post script
>>>> is
>>>> yet more politically opinionated slander. Sorry, it's true. GWB
>>>> doesn't
>>>> see himself as the "Armaggedon" president. That's just ridiculous
>>>> extrapolated hyperbole.
>>>
>>> Let me make one thing clear. Slander is creating false statements for the
>>> purpose of swaying ones opinion of a person or entity. I don't see how my
>>> quote...
>>>
>>> "I think this theory is now fact. I think Bush truly believes he is the
>>> "Armageddon" president, and that he and his believers will be picked up
>>> buy
>>> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it. Policy
>>> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
>>>
>>> ...is false in any way shape or form, unless of course YOU actually know
>>> what I think better than I. This is my personal opinion, is stated as my
>>> personal opinion, and is backed by my own research. Quotes such as this:
>>>
>>> "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I
>>> sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I
>>> know
>>> it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
>>>
>>> "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he
>>> instructed
>>> me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to
>>> solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if
>>> not,
>>> the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
>>>
>>> as well as my own interpretation of Bush's reaction to disaster, leads me
>>> to
>>> this opinion.
>>>
>>> I accept that you don't agree with my opinion, but it is no more
>>> slanderous
>>> than George W. Bush's own comments on Homosexuality are slanderous to
>>> those
>>> who choose to practice alternative lifestyles.
>>>
>>> I also believe that the majority of organized religions were spawned as a
>>> crutch to deal with the fact that as human's we have become temporally
>>> aware, and therefore aware of not only our own existence, but aware of
>>> our
>>> own termination. I believe many religions are filled with people who are
>>> simply sheep, following the herd, without really analyzing what the herd
>>> actually stands for. These are the idiots I speak about. You may agree,
>>> and
>>> exclude yourself from this flock, or you may disagree, but my beliefs
>>> will
>>> remain steadfast. IMOHO George W. Bush is a Bible toting moron.
>>>
>>> I believe in God, but I believe that God is far beyond human
>>> comprehension
>>> (in fact He is beyond the limits of time itself). I believe most
>>> religions
>>> attempt to humanize GOD in order to understand him. This is the issue
>>> with
>>> religion that I find appalling. I believe that there is room for both an
>>> creator and evolutionary process. I have no problem stating that anyone
>>> outside this view is in my own opinion, a moron.
>>>
>>> again, just my opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Plenty of people *think* they're doing Gods will... from the Pharasees to
suicide bombers.
Take it how you want.
"DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
news:BF3E9585.4072%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
> You know that isn't fair. That statement could equate Bush with Saddam
> Hussein and Hitler. And by the same evaluation, David (of David and
> Goliath) would fall into the same category for slaying Goliath and later
> conquering the Philistines, even though there is plenty of scripture to
> paint a different picture of him, faults and all.
>
> The same would also have to be said of Presidents Madison, Polk, Lincoln,
> McKinley, Wilson, Hoover, Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon,
> Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton, as well as a long list of other
> countries' leaders, both good and bad. But that isn't fair to them
> either.
>
> Please don't use the Bible to conveniently cast stones at people you don't
> agree with. You are above this line of reasoning.
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> On 9/2/05 9:06 PM, in article 43191349@linux, "justcron"
> <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>
>> You'll know a true servant of God by their fruits.
>>
>> Bush's fruits are death and destruction.
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
>> news:BF3E14B8.51B%dedric@echomg.com...
>>> While I respect your opinion, you are guessing what another person
>>> thinks
>>> without knowing them personally, much less their thoughts. Without
>>> knowing
>>> someone's thoughts and intent first hand, your opinion isn't necessarily
>>> true. If you portray that person in a negative light without that
>>> knowledge, it is slander, or at best gossip. Even stating the truth
>>> about
>>> someone else without permission is gossip.
>>>
>>>> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it.
>>>> Policy
>>>> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
>>>
>>> Your last three statements here were not just "I think", but stated as
>>> fact.
>>> But enough statement analysis... Suffice it to say, if there is a chance
>>> our
>>> opinions of others could be wrong, they are better left unsaid. We all
>>> do
>>> it though. It is a hard temptation to resist, especially when we feel
>>> personal frustration. I do it too, sadly.
>>>
>>> You also seem to have a rather negative impression of Christians. A
>>> faith
>>> not practiced in daily life isn't faith, but a set of beliefs adopted as
>>> a
>>> hobby. You state religion is a crutch, but that is a sweeping
>>> generalization. For some that may be true, but let's be clear about the
>>> distinction between religions as organizations and faith as a belief in
>>> a
>>> God. Religion is a perspective on a belief systems adopted by people.
>>> Faith is rooted in the very heart and soul, not the head or intellect.
>>> Faith is a two way street - without God to guide me, my faith would be
>>> useless. At the same time, if I didn't believe God would guide me, it
>>> would
>>> also be meaningless.
>>>
>>> Faith requires action, or it is just lip service ("Faith without works
>>> is
>>> dead"). To act on religious laws or mandates is no different than
>>> acting
>>> under corporate guidelines - it doesn't take faith in God to follow a
>>> few
>>> rules, traditions or practices. Acting on faith as a Christian is
>>> between
>>> the believer and God, based on God's own word (the Bible and prayer).
>>> Other
>>> religions may claim the same communicative guidance, but my faith as a
>>> Christian would be meaningless if I believed all religions were another
>>> form
>>> of the truth, or if mine were just my personal interpretation, open for
>>> variation, moderation and alteration at the whim of peers, society, a
>>> religious organization, or those that disagree with me. If there is no
>>> absolute truth, there is no absolute wrong. Simple logic tells us there
>>> has
>>> to be some absolutes, or we will slide into complete chaos. So where do
>>> those absolutes come from? God of course - through the Bible.
>>>
>>> The Bible is clear about homosexuality being wrong, as well as all sin
>>> (lying, cheating, stealing, etc, etc, etc). I don't condemn homosexuals
>>> as
>>> fellow citizens, friends and human beings but that doesn't somehow make
>>> it
>>> "right" in a relative sense (i.e. only wrong "for me", but "right" for
>>> them). From a Christian perspective, passing legislation to support and
>>> (in
>>> effect) promote what is clearly stated as wrong in God's word is
>>> dangerous
>>> for us as a country, not just people choosing that lifestyle - that's
>>> why
>>> it
>>> enters politics, whether you believe it should be there or not (faith
>>> without works...). It isn't about "pushing our beliefs on everyone
>>> else".
>>> It is about seeing Sodom and Gomorrah (Babylon, Rome, etc) re-enacted
>>> over
>>> and over throughout history as societies accept more and more decadent
>>> behavior. We just don't want to see our country go down the same path
>>> by
>>> making such Biblically stated sin issues a nationally supported belief
>>> anymore than you want Christianity to become the national religion. You
>>> wouldn't want a law passed requiring that rapists be given right to
>>> appeal
>>> custody of a resulting child would you (I hope there isn't such a law
>>> already, but who knows...)? Of course not. But here is the point -
>>> without
>>> a moral basis, we have no line to draw where one action is okay, and
>>> another
>>> isn't - it all become relative to personal interpretation and
>>> preference -
>>> that includes murder, rape, incest, stealing, torture, genocide, etc,
>>> etc.
>>> So, President Bush stands up for what he believes in his workplace -
>>> politics. Others do the same. To say he shouldn't because his beliefs
>>> are
>>> Christian beliefs would be denying Christians the freedom we are
>>> supposed
>>> to
>>> allow non-Christians.
>>>
>>> As far as Iraq - we may never know exactly what the true reason "in the
>>> grand scheme of things" was for this war - i.e. WMD seemed to be a
>>> decent
>>> reason, but there were none found (probably in Syria). However, every
>>> soldier returning from Iraq that I have talked to has said the Iraqis
>>> welcome the change, even at the price they are paying. I could post
>>> quotes
>>> and stories that would really make you think that there was a reason for
>>> this well beyond and more significant than WMD, but time is short for me
>>> today. My belief, and this isn't justification, is that Iraq will play
>>> a
>>> strategic role in the future in some event we don't know about - left to
>>> Saddam it could have been catastrophic, but maybe not by his hand, just
>>> as
>>> a
>>> part of the puzzle of the world's stage.
>>>
>>> Whether you believe in God or not, He does lead people today, and He
>>> does
>>> put events into motion for His purposes. Perhaps Iraq had nothing to do
>>> with future defense or terrorism concerns, but simply the ability of a
>>> people to have a chance at true freedom.
>>>
>>>> "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but
>>>> I
>>>> sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I
>>>> know
>>>> it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
>>>
>>> This is a basic faith concept for Christians. Running for President
>>> isn't
>>> common, but many of us, if not most or all, follow this very same
>>> leading
>>> every day - often into very risky and unknown territory, knowing the
>>> risk
>>> to
>>> our families and even our lives could be at stake - but doing it for
>>> God's
>>> glory and reasons, not ours. That is faith - being willing to do things
>>> that aren't popular without regard for social, political or financial
>>> standing, or even one's own life. I hadn't heard this exact quote, but
>>> in
>>> a
>>> way, it's putting pieces of a puzzle together for me - likely to an
>>> opposite
>>> conclusion from the one you seem to be drawing.
>>>
>>> Without first hand, personal knowledge of someone's intent, heart and
>>> mind,
>>> we only know them by the way we perceive them through news blurbs, sound
>>> bites and late-night talk shows. I have yet to see anyone on this forum
>>> support believing everything you think you see or hear in the news, much
>>> less believing your perception is accurate.
>>>
>>> I know pastors and Christians that personally spend time with President
>>> Bush, and have with other presidents (Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Nixon,
>>> etc),
>>> and I have met some of these men, heard them speak, read their books,
>>> etc.
>>> There is a different picture painted of these Presidents than the one
>>> you
>>> are demonstrating - it is one of real people trying to do their best to
>>> lead
>>> our country. These aren't perfect people or perfect leaders, but no one
>>> on
>>> this forum is any more perfect either.
>>>
>>> The key to Christian faith is grace. God's grace gave us a way to reach
>>> Him
>>> through the sacrifice of His son, and offering us forgiveness through
>>> His
>>> own sacrifice, if we only ask for it. By the same measure of grace we
>>> as
>>> Christians are given the challenge to reach out to the rest of the world
>>> with God's love to share that very same message with our speech, our
>>> actions, and our lives - not through hatred, judgement or condemnation.
>>> Satan loves to twist that message around, and indeed the intent of
>>> well-meaning Christians - what better way to destroy God's design than
>>> to
>>> discredit His followers, if not dishearten or overtake them?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your time jp, or anyone else that read this lonnnnnggg post.
>>> Back to work, and best regards.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>>
>>> in article 4318939f@linux, jp at no@mail.please wrote on 9/2/05 1:01 PM:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:BF3DC8FD.401F%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>>>>> jp - Your climatology insight is fairly well reasoned. Your post
>>>>> script
>>>>> is
>>>>> yet more politically opinionated slander. Sorry, it's true. GWB
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> see himself as the "Armaggedon" president. That's just ridiculous
>>>>> extrapolated hyperbole.
>>>>
>>>> Let me make one thing clear. Slander is creating false statements for
>>>> the
>>>> purpose of swaying ones opinion of a person or entity. I don't see how
>>>> my
>>>> quote...
>>>>
>>>> "I think this theory is now fact. I think Bush truly believes he is the
>>>> "Armageddon" president, and that he and his believers will be picked up
>>>> buy
>>>> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it.
>>>> Policy
>>>> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
>>>>
>>>> ...is false in any way shape or form, unless of course YOU actually
>>>> know
>>>> what I think better than I. This is my personal opinion, is stated as
>>>> my
>>>> personal opinion, and is backed by my own research. Quotes such as
>>>> this:
>>>>
>>>> "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but
>>>> I
>>>> sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I
>>>> know
>>>> it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
>>>>
>>>> "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he
>>>> instructed
>>>> me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined
>>>> to
>>>> solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if
>>>> not,
>>>> the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
>>>>
>>>> as well as my own interpretation of Bush's reaction to disaster, leads
>>>> me
>>>> to
>>>> this opinion.
>>>>
>>>> I accept that you don't agree with my opinion, but it is no more
>>>> slanderous
>>>> than George W. Bush's own comments on Homosexuality are slanderous to
>>>> those
>>>> who choose to practice alternative lifestyles.
>>>>
>>>> I also believe that the majority of organized religions were spawned as
>>>> a
>>>> crutch to deal with the fact that as human's we have become temporally
>>>> aware, and therefore aware of not only our own existence, but aware of
>>>> our
>>>> own termination. I believe many religions are filled with people who
>>>> are
>>>> simply sheep, following the herd, without really analyzing what the
>>>> herd
>>>> actually stands for. These are the idiots I speak about. You may agree,
>>>> and
>>>> exclude yourself from this flock, or you may disagree, but my beliefs
>>>> will
>>>> remain steadfast. IMOHO George W. Bush is a Bible toting moron.
>>>>
>>>> I believe in God, but I believe that God is far beyond human
>>>> comprehension
>>>> (in fact He is beyond the limits of time itself). I believe most
>>>> religions
>>>> attempt to humanize GOD in order to understand him. This is the issue
>>>> with
>>>> religion that I find appalling. I believe that there is room for both
>>>> an
>>>> creator and evolutionary process. I have no problem stating that anyone
>>>> outside this view is in my own opinion, a moron.
>>>>
>>>> again, just my opinion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>It was pure art!
Faith Hill's rendition of Precious Lord was good as well
respect
Nappy
"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>I hope you all got to hear Aaron Neville do his rendition of Randy Newman’s
>Louisiana 1927 on the telethon tonight. Even though he was singing to a
TV
>track, it was great. Arron certainly nailed it as did Randy when he wrote
>it.
>
>
>What has happened down here is the wind have changed
>Clouds roll in from the north and it started to rain
>Rained real hard and rained for a real long time
>Six feet of water in the streets of Evangeline
>
>The river rose all day
>The river rose all night
>Some people got lost in the flood
>Some people got away alright
>The river have busted through cleard down to Plaquemines
>Six feet of water in the streets of Evangelne
>CHORUS
>Louisiana, Louisiana
>They're tyrin' to wash us away
>They're tryin' to wash us away
>Louisiana, Louisiana
>They're tryin' to wash us away
>They're tryin' to wash us away
>
>President Coolidge came down in a railroad train
>With a little fat man with a note-pad in his hand
>The President say, "Little fat man isn't it a shame what the river has
>done
>To this poor crackers land."
>
>CHORUS
>True, but there are easy ways to distinguish those - Jesus addressed both of
those camps directly several times.
On 9/2/05 11:59 PM, in article 43193bd5@linux, "justcron"
<justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
> Plenty of people *think* they're doing Gods will... from the Pharasees to
> suicide bombers.
>
> Take it how you want.
>
> "DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
> news:BF3E9585.4072%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>> You know that isn't fair. That statement could equate Bush with Saddam
>> Hussein and Hitler. And by the same evaluation, David (of David and
>> Goliath) would fall into the same category for slaying Goliath and later
>> conquering the Philistines, even though there is plenty of scripture to
>> paint a different picture of him, faults and all.
>>
>> The same would also have to be said of Presidents Madison, Polk, Lincoln,
>> McKinley, Wilson, Hoover, Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon,
>> Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton, as well as a long list of other
>> countries' leaders, both good and bad. But that isn't fair to them
>> either.
>>
>> Please don't use the Bible to conveniently cast stones at people you don't
>> agree with. You are above this line of reasoning.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 9/2/05 9:06 PM, in article 43191349@linux, "justcron"
>> <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>>
>>> You'll know a true servant of God by their fruits.
>>>
>>> Bush's fruits are death and destruction.
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
>>> news:BF3E14B8.51B%dedric@echomg.com...
>>>> While I respect your opinion, you are guessing what another person
>>>> thinks
>>>> without knowing them personally, much less their thoughts. Without
>>>> knowing
>>>> someone's thoughts and intent first hand, your opinion isn't necessarily
>>>> true. If you portray that person in a negative light without that
>>>> knowledge, it is slander, or at best gossip. Even stating the truth
>>>> about
>>>> someone else without permission is gossip.
>>>>
>>>>> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it.
>>>>> Policy
>>>>> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
>>>>
>>>> Your last three statements here were not just "I think", but stated as
>>>> fact.
>>>> But enough statement analysis... Suffice it to say, if there is a chance
>>>> our
>>>> opinions of others could be wrong, they are better left unsaid. We all
>>>> do
>>>> it though. It is a hard temptation to resist, especially when we feel
>>>> personal frustration. I do it too, sadly.
>>>>
>>>> You also seem to have a rather negative impression of Christians. A
>>>> faith
>>>> not practiced in daily life isn't faith, but a set of beliefs adopted as
>>>> a
>>>> hobby. You state religion is a crutch, but that is a sweeping
>>>> generalization. For some that may be true, but let's be clear about the
>>>> distinction between religions as organizations and faith as a belief in
>>>> a
>>>> God. Religion is a perspective on a belief systems adopted by people.
>>>> Faith is rooted in the very heart and soul, not the head or intellect.
>>>> Faith is a two way street - without God to guide me, my faith would be
>>>> useless. At the same time, if I didn't believe God would guide me, it
>>>> would
>>>> also be meaningless.
>>>>
>>>> Faith requires action, or it is just lip service ("Faith without works
>>>> is
>>>> dead"). To act on religious laws or mandates is no different than
>>>> acting
>>>> under corporate guidelines - it doesn't take faith in God to follow a
>>>> few
>>>> rules, traditions or practices. Acting on faith as a Christian is
>>>> between
>>>> the believer and God, based on God's own word (the Bible and prayer).
>>>> Other
>>>> religions may claim the same communicative guidance, but my faith as a
>>>> Christian would be meaningless if I believed all religions were another
>>>> form
>>>> of the truth, or if mine were just my personal interpretation, open for
>>>> variation, moderation and alteration at the whim of peers, society, a
>>>> religious organization, or those that disagree with me. If there is no
>>>> absolute truth, there is no absolute wrong. Simple logic tells us there
>>>> has
>>>> to be some absolutes, or we will slide into complete chaos. So where do
>>>> those absolutes come from? God of course - through the Bible.
>>>>
>>>> The Bible is clear about homosexuality being wrong, as well as all sin
>>>> (lying, cheating, stealing, etc, etc, etc). I don't condemn homosexuals
>>>> as
>>>> fellow citizens, friends and human beings but that doesn't somehow make
>>>> it
>>>> "right" in a relative sense (i.e. only wrong "for me", but "right" for
>>>> them). From a Christian perspective, passing legislation to support and
>>>> (in
>>>> effect) promote what is clearly stated as wrong in God's word is
>>>> dangerous
>>>> for us as a country, not just people choosing that lifestyle - that's
>>>> why
>>>> it
>>>> enters politics, whether you believe it should be there or not (faith
>>>> without works...). It isn't about "pushing our beliefs on everyone
>>>> else".
>>>> It is about seeing Sodom and Gomorrah (Babylon, Rome, etc) re-enacted
>>>> over
>>>> and over throughout history as societies accept more and more decadent
>>>> behavior. We just don't want to see our country go down the same path
>>>> by
>>>> making such Biblically stated sin issues a nationally supported belief
>>>> anymore than you want Christianity to become the national religion. You
>>>> wouldn't want a law passed requiring that rapists be given right to
>>>> appeal
>>>> custody of a resulting child would you (I hope there isn't such a law
>>>> already, but who knows...)? Of course not. But here is the point -
>>>> without
>>>> a moral basis, we have no line to draw where one action is okay, and
>>>> another
>>>> isn't - it all become relative to personal interpretation and
>>>> preference -
>>>> that includes murder, rape, incest, stealing, torture, genocide, etc,
>>>> etc.
>>>> So, President Bush stands up for what he believes in his workplace -
>>>> politics. Others do the same. To say he shouldn't because his beliefs
>>>> are
>>>> Christian beliefs would be denying Christians the freedom we are
>>>> supposed
>>>> to
>>>> allow non-Christians.
>>>>
>>>> As far as Iraq - we may never know exactly what the true reason "in the
>>>> grand scheme of things" was for this war - i.e. WMD seemed to be a
>>>> decent
>>>> reason, but there were none found (probably in Syria). However, every
>>>> soldier returning from Iraq that I have talked to has said the Iraqis
>>>> welcome the change, even at the price they are paying. I could post
>>>> quotes
>>>> and stories that would really make you think that there was a reason for
>>>> this well beyond and more significant than WMD, but time is short for me
>>>> today. My belief, and this isn't justification, is that Iraq will play
>>>> a
>>>> strategic role in the future in some event we don't know about - left to
>>>> Saddam it could have been catastrophic, but maybe not by his hand, just
>>>> as
>>>> a
>>>> part of the puzzle of the world's stage.
>>>>
>>>> Whether you believe in God or not, He does lead people today, and He
>>>> does
>>>> put events into motion for His purposes. Perhaps Iraq had nothing to do
>>>> with future defense or terrorism concerns, but simply the ability of a
>>>> people to have a chance at true freedom.
>>>>
>>>>> "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but
>>>>> I
>>>>> sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I
>>>>> know
>>>>> it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
>>>>
>>>> This is a basic faith concept for Christians. Running for President
>>>> isn't
>>>> common, but many of us, if not most or all, follow this very same
>>>> leading
>>>> every day - often into very risky and unknown territory, knowing the
>>>> risk
>>>> to
>>>> our families and even our lives could be at stake - but doing it for
>>>> God's
>>>> glory and reasons, not ours. That is faith - being willing to do things
>>>> that aren't popular without regard for social, political or financial
>>>> standing, or even one's own life. I hadn't heard this exact quote, but
>>>> in
>>>> a
>>>> way, it's putting pieces of a puzzle together for me - likely to an
>>>> opposite
>>>> conclusion from the one you seem to be drawing.
>>>>
>>>> Without first hand, personal knowledge of someone's intent, heart and
>>>> mind,
>>>> we only know them by the way we perceive them through news blurbs, sound
>>>> bites and late-night talk shows. I have yet to see anyone on this forum
>>>> support believing everything you think you see or hear in the news, much
>>>> less believing your perception is accurate.
>>>>
>>>> I know pastors and Christians that personally spend time with President
>>>> Bush, and have with other presidents (Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Nixon,
>>>> etc),
>>>> and I have met some of these men, heard them speak, read their books,
>>>> etc.
>>>> There is a different picture painted of these Presidents than the one
>>>> you
>>>> are demonstrating - it is one of real people trying to do their best to
>>>> lead
>>>> our country. These aren't perfect people or perfect leaders, but no one
>>>> on
>>>> this forum is any more perfect either.
>>>>
>>>> The key to Christian faith is grace. God's grace gave us a way to reach
>>>> Him
>>>> through the sacrifice of His son, and offering us forgiveness through
>>>> His
>>>> own sacrifice, if we only ask for it. By the same measure of grace we
>>>> as
>>>> Christians are given the challenge to reach out to the rest of the world
>>>> with God's love to share that very same message with our speech, our
>>>> actions, and our lives - not through hatred, judgement or condemnation.
>>>> Satan loves to twist that message around, and indeed the intent of
>>>> well-meaning Christians - what better way to destroy God's design than
>>>> to
>>>> discredit His followers, if not dishearten or overtake them?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your time jp, or anyone else that read this lonnnnnggg post.
>>>> Back to work, and best regards.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> in article 4318939f@linux, jp at no@mail.please wrote on 9/2/05 1:01 PM:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:BF3DC8FD.401F%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>>>>>> jp - Your climatology insight is fairly well reasoned. Your post
>>>>>> script
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> yet more politically opinionated slander. Sorry, it's true. GWB
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> see himself as the "Armaggedon" president. That's just ridiculous
>>>>>> extrapolated hyperbole.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me make one thing clear. Slander is creating false statements for
>>>>> the
>>>>> purpose of swaying ones opinion of a person or entity. I don't see how
>>>>> my
>>>>> quote...
>>>>>
>>>>> "I think this theory is now fact. I think Bush truly believes he is the
>>>>> "Armageddon" president, and that he and his believers will be picked up
>>>>> buy
>>>>> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it.
>>>>> Policy
>>>>> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
>>>>>
>>>>> ...is false in any way shape or form, unless of course YOU actually
>>>>> know
>>>>> what I think better than I. This is my personal opinion, is stated as
>>>>> my
>>>>> personal opinion, and is backed by my own research. Quotes such as
>>>>> this:
>>>>>
>>>>> "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but
>>>>> I
>>>>> sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I
>>>>> know
>>>>> it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
>>>>>
>>>>> "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he
>>>>> instructed
>>>>> me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined
>>>>> to
>>>>> solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if
>>>>> not,
>>>>> the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
>>>>>
>>>>> as well as my own interpretation of Bush's reaction to disaster, leads
>>>>> me
>>>>> to
>>>>> this opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> I accept that you don't agree with my opinion, but it is no more
>>>>> slanderous
>>>>> than George W. Bush's own comments on Homosexuality are slanderous to
>>>>> those
>>>>> who choose to practice alternative lifestyles.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also believe that the majority of organized religions were spawned as
>>>>> a
>>>>> crutch to deal with the fact that as human's we have become temporally
>>>>> aware, and therefore aware of not only our own existence, but aware of
>>>>> our
>>>>> own termination. I believe many religions are filled with people who
>>>>> are
>>>>> simply sheep, following the herd, without really analyzing what the
>>>>> herd
>>>>> actually stands for. These are the idiots I speak about. You may agree,
>>>>> and
>>>>> exclude yourself from this flock, or you may disagree, but my beliefs
>>>>> will
>>>>> remain steadfast. IMOHO George W. Bush is a Bible toting moron.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe in God, but I believe that God is far beyond human
>>>>> comprehension
>>>>> (in fact He is beyond the limits of time itself). I believe most
>>>>> religions
>>>>> attempt to humanize GOD in order to understand him. This is the issue
>>>>> with
>>>>> religion that I find appalling. I believe that there is room for both
>>>>> an
>>>>> creator and evolutionary process. I have no problem stating that anyone
>>>>> outside this view is in my own opinion, a moron.
>>>>>
>>>>> again, just my opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>thats what I said about the fruits...
Expecting Armageddon has been a part of the "Christian Coalition" at least
since I had the enlightening experience of working on the Pat Robertson 88
campaign, so I dont think the original point was too far off.
Does Bush have a role to play? Yes. Like Pharoah did back in Moses time.
Part of God's plan, but not necessarily serving his will.
I dont know, these are just my thoughts.
"DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
news:BF3E9D34.407E%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
> True, but there are easy ways to distinguish those - Jesus addressed both
> of
> those camps directly several times.
>
> On 9/2/05 11:59 PM, in article 43193bd5@linux, "justcron"
> <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>
>> Plenty of people *think* they're doing Gods will... from the Pharasees to
>> suicide bombers.
>>
>> Take it how you want.
>>
>> "DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
>> news:BF3E9585.4072%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>>> You know that isn't fair. That statement could equate Bush with Saddam
>>> Hussein and Hitler. And by the same evaluation, David (of David and
>>> Goliath) would fall into the same category for slaying Goliath and later
>>> conquering the Philistines, even though there is plenty of scripture to
>>> paint a different picture of him, faults and all.
>>>
>>> The same would also have to be said of Presidents Madison, Polk,
>>> Lincoln,
>>> McKinley, Wilson, Hoover, Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon,
>>> Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton, as well as a long list of other
>>> countries' leaders, both good and bad. But that isn't fair to them
>>> either.
>>>
>>> Please don't use the Bible to conveniently cast stones at people you
>>> don't
>>> agree with. You are above this line of reasoning.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 9/2/05 9:06 PM, in article 43191349@linux, "justcron"
>>> <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You'll know a true servant of God by their fruits.
>>>>
>>>> Bush's fruits are death and destruction.
>>>>
>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:BF3E14B8.51B%dedric@echomg.com...
>>>>> While I respect your opinion, you are guessing what another person
>>>>> thinks
>>>>> without knowing them personally, much less their thoughts. Without
>>>>> knowing
>>>>> someone's thoughts and intent first hand, your opinion isn't
>>>>> necessarily
>>>>> true. If you portray that person in a negative light without that
>>>>> knowledge, it is slander, or at best gossip. Even stating the truth
>>>>> about
>>>>> someone else without permission is gossip.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it.
>>>>>> Policy
>>>>>> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
>>>>>
>>>>> Your last three statements here were not just "I think", but stated as
>>>>> fact.
>>>>> But enough statement analysis... Suffice it to say, if there is a
>>>>> chance
>>>>> our
>>>>> opinions of others could be wrong, they are better left unsaid. We
>>>>> all
>>>>> do
>>>>> it though. It is a hard temptation to resist, especially when we feel
>>>>> personal frustration. I do it too, sadly.
>>>>>
>>>>> You also seem to have a rather negative impression of Christians. A
>>>>> faith
>>>>> not practiced in daily life isn't faith, but a set of beliefs adopted
>>>>> as
>>>>> a
>>>>> hobby. You state religion is a crutch, but that is a sweeping
>>>>> generalization. For some that may be true, but let's be clear about
>>>>> the
>>>>> distinction between religions as organizations and faith as a belief
>>>>> in
>>>>> a
>>>>> God. Religion is a perspective on a belief systems adopted by people.
>>>>> Faith is rooted in the very heart and soul, not the head or intellect.
>>>>> Faith is a two way street - without God to guide me, my faith would be
>>>>> useless. At the same time, if I didn't believe God would guide me, it
>>>>> would
>>>>> also be meaningless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Faith requires action, or it is just lip service ("Faith without works
>>>>> is
>>>>> dead"). To act on religious laws or mandates is no different than
>>>>> acting
>>>>> under corporate guidelines - it doesn't take faith in God to follow a
>>>>> few
>>>>> rules, traditions or practices. Acting on faith as a Christian is
>>>>> between
>>>>> the believer and God, based on God's own word (the Bible and prayer).
>>>>> Other
>>>>> religions may claim the same communicative guidance, but my faith as a
>>>>> Christian would be meaningless if I believed all religions were
>>>>> another
>>>>> form
>>>>> of the truth, or if mine were just my personal interpretation, open
>>>>> for
>>>>> variation, moderation and alteration at the whim of peers, society, a
>>>>> religious organization, or those that disagree with me. If there is
>>>>> no
>>>>> absolute truth, there is no absolute wrong. Simple logic tells us
>>>>> there
>>>>> has
>>>>> to be some absolutes, or we will slide into complete chaos. So where
>>>>> do
>>>>> those absolutes come from? God of course - through the Bible.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Bible is clear about homosexuality being wrong, as well as all sin
>>>>> (lying, cheating, stealing, etc, etc, etc). I don't condemn
>>>>> homosexuals
>>>>> as
>>>>> fellow citizens, friends and human beings but that doesn't somehow
>>>>> make
>>>>> it
>>>>> "right" in a relative sense (i.e. only wrong "for me", but "right" for
>>>>> them). From a Christian perspective, passing legislation to support
>>>>> and
>>>>> (in
>>>>> effect) promote what is clearly stated as wrong in God's word is
>>>>> dangerous
>>>>> for us as a country, not just people choosing that lifestyle - that's
>>>>> why
>>>>> it
>>>>> enters politics, whether you believe it should be there or not (faith
>>>>> without works...). It isn't about "pushing our beliefs on everyone
>>>>> else".
>>>>> It is about seeing Sodom and Gomorrah (Babylon, Rome, etc) re-enacted
>>>>> over
>>>>> and over throughout history as societies accept more and more decadent
>>>>> behavior. We just don't want to see our country go down the same path
>>>>> by
>>>>> making such Biblically stated sin issues a nationally supported belief
>>>>> anymore than you want Christianity to become the national religion.
>>>>> You
>>>>> wouldn't want a law passed requiring that rapists be given right to
>>>>> appeal
>>>>> custody of a resulting child would you (I hope there isn't such a law
>>>>> already, but who knows...)? Of course not. But here is the point -
>>>>> without
>>>>> a moral basis, we have no line to draw where one action is okay, and
>>>>> another
>>>>> isn't - it all become relative to personal interpretation and
>>>>> preference -
>>>>> that includes murder, rape, incest, stealing, torture, genocide, etc,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> So, President Bush stands up for what he believes in his workplace -
>>>>> politics. Others do the same. To say he shouldn't because his
>>>>> beliefs
>>>>> are
>>>>> Christian beliefs would be denying Christians the freedom we are
>>>>> supposed
>>>>> to
>>>>> allow non-Christians.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as Iraq - we may never know exactly what the true reason "in
>>>>> the
>>>>> grand scheme of things" was for this war - i.e. WMD seemed to be a
>>>>> decent
>>>>> reason, but there were none found (probably in Syria). However, every
>>>>> soldier returning from Iraq that I have talked to has said the Iraqis
>>>>> welcome the change, even at the price they are paying. I could post
>>>>> quotes
>>>>> and stories that would really make you think that there was a reason
>>>>> for
>>>>> this well beyond and more significant than WMD, but time is short for
>>>>> me
>>>>> today. My belief, and this isn't justification, is that Iraq will
>>>>> play
>>>>> a
>>>>> strategic role in the future in some event we don't know about - left
>>>>> to
>>>>> Saddam it could have been catastrophic, but maybe not by his hand,
>>>>> just
>>>>> as
>>>>> a
>>>>> part of the puzzle of the world's stage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether you believe in God or not, He does lead people today, and He
>>>>> does
>>>>> put events into motion for His purposes. Perhaps Iraq had nothing to
>>>>> do
>>>>> with future defense or terrorism concerns, but simply the ability of a
>>>>> people to have a chance at true freedom.
>>>>>
>>>>>> "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen...
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a basic faith concept for Christians. Running for President
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> common, but many of us, if not most or all, follow this very same
>>>>> leading
>>>>> every day - often into very risky and unknown territory, knowing the
>>>>> risk
>>>>> to
>>>>> our families and even our lives could be at stake - but doing it for
>>>>> God's
>>>>> glory and reasons, not ours. That is faith - being willing to do
>>>>> things
>>>>> that aren't popular without regard for social, political or financial
>>>>> standing, or even one's own life. I hadn't heard this exact quote,
>>>>> but
>>>>> in
>>>>> a
>>>>> way, it's putting pieces of a puzzle together for me - likely to an
>>>>> opposite
>>>>> conclusion from the one you seem to be drawing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Without first hand, personal knowledge of someone's intent, heart and
>>>>> mind,
>>>>> we only know them by the way we perceive them through news blurbs,
>>>>> sound
>>>>> bites and late-night talk shows. I have yet to see anyone on this
>>>>> forum
>>>>> support believing everything you think you see or hear in the news,
>>>>> much
>>>>> less believing your perception is accurate.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know pastors and Christians that personally spend time with
>>>>> President
>>>>> Bush, and have with other presidents (Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Nixon,
>>>>> etc),
>>>>> and I have met some of these men, heard them speak, read their books,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> There is a different picture painted of these Presidents than the one
>>>>> you
>>>>> are demonstrating - it is one of real people trying to do their best
>>>>> to
>>>>> lead
>>>>> our country. These aren't perfect people or perfect leaders, but no
>>>>> one
>>>>> on
>>>>> this forum is any more perfect either.
>>>>>
>>>>> The key to Christian faith is grace. God's grace gave us a way to
>>>>> reach
>>>>> Him
>>>>> through the sacrifice of His son, and offering us forgiveness through
>>>>> His
>>>>> own sacrifice, if we only ask for it. By the same measure of grace we
>>>>> as
>>>>> Christians are given the challenge to reach out to the rest of the
>>>>> world
>>>>> with God's love to share that very same message with our speech, our
>>>>> actions, and our lives - not through hatred, judgement or
>>>>> condemnation.
>>>>> Satan loves to twist that message around, and indeed the intent of
>>>>> well-meaning Christians - what better way to destroy God's design than
>>>>> to
>>>>> discredit His followers, if not dishearten or overtake them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your time jp, or anyone else that read this lonnnnnggg
>>>>> post.
>>>>> Back to work, and best regards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> in article 4318939f@linux, jp at no@mail.please wrote on 9/2/05 1:01
>>>>> PM:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:BF3DC8FD.401F%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>>>>>>> jp - Your climatology insight is fairly well reasoned. Your post
>>>>>>> script
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> yet more politically opinionated slander. Sorry, it's true. GWB
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> see himself as the "Armaggedon" president. That's just ridiculous
>>>>>>> extrapolated hyperbole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me make one thing clear. Slander is creating false statements for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> purpose of swaying ones opinion of a person or entity. I don't see
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> quote...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I think this theory is now fact. I think Bush truly believes he is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> "Armageddon" president, and that he and his believers will be picked
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> buy
>>>>>> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it.
>>>>>> Policy
>>>>>> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...is false in any way shape or form, unless of course YOU actually
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> what I think better than I. This is my personal opinion, is stated as
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> personal opinion, and is backed by my own research. Quotes such as
>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen...
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he
>>>>>> instructed
>>>>>> me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am
>>>>>> determined
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> not,
>>>>>> the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> as well as my own interpretation of Bush's reaction to disaster,
>>>>>> leads
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> this opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I accept that you don't agree with my opinion, but it is no more
>>>>>> slanderous
>>>>>> than George W. Bush's own comments on Homosexuality are slanderous to
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> who choose to practice alternative lifestyles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also believe that the majority of organized religions were spawned
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> crutch to deal with the fact that as human's we have become
>>>>>> temporally
>>>>>> aware, and therefore aware of not only our own existence, but aware
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> own termination. I believe many religions are filled with people who
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> simply sheep, following the herd, without really analyzing what the
>>>>>> herd
>>>>>> actually stands for. These are the idiots I speak about. You may
>>>>>> agree,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> exclude yourself from this flock, or you may disagree, but my beliefs
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> remain steadfast. IMOHO George W. Bush is a Bible toting moron.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe in God, but I believe that God is far beyond human
>>>>>> comprehension
>>>>>> (in fact He is beyond the limits of time itself). I believe most
>>>>>> religions
>>>>>> attempt to humanize GOD in order to understand him. This is the issue
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> religion that I find appalling. I believe that there is room for both
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> creator and evolutionary process. I have no problem stating that
>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>> outside this view is in my own opinion, a moron.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> again, just my opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43192fdf$1@linux...
> That's what is so disturbing about the left.
OK, you just wasted your first sentence.
> This war started in 1991 with
> Sadaam's invasion of Kuwait. There was nothing fake about it. Just because
> Clinton and the UN didnt choose to call Sadaam on his violations of UN
> sanctions didn't mean that somehow they weren't valid. They war never
> stopped. Some folks just found it convenient to forget about it.
what a crock of shite Deej. Bush 1 left a huge mess for Clinton to pick
up, who never solved it just sat on it for years. Bush 2 comes in and all
of a sudden Saddam is a threat to the US again? Please. This war was
specifically designed to get Bush reelected by having an active war during
the elections. The repercussions are ENDLESS.http://media.putfile.com/Kanye79Of course it does work under xp ...
Same machine works too but cannot test it because I have not installed
nything else in my Me partition...
Regards,
Dimitrios
"espresso" <audio@espressodigital.com> wrote in message
news:4318d422$1@linux...
> Hi Dimitrios,
>
> I've been watching this one too. so - doesn't work with XP? Doesn't work
> internally
> within the same machine? My hope is to run Nuendo and then bus groups or
> channels to Paris for my favorite Paris 'punch'.
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:43188742@linux...
> > Dear Kim,
> > There is only a specific version of Wormhole that works under Paris in
> > synced mode.
> > In order to have the inntanses synced you have to wrap wormhole with
> console
> > wrapper.
> > I tried all wrappers, none else sends syncing information or at least
> > syncing information that wormhole can grab.
> > I manage to have around 8 instances of wormhole playing in sync.
> > It is not a perfect world with Paris though.
> > Under Me console does not save its environement but you can save from
> within
> > console and load so you can load it after Paris has been opened.
> > I ahev once tried and played with vst instruments from within console
with
> > some success but was waiting for a console update to have MTC support
not
> > only midiclock.
> > There are great possibilities but you need time for experiment.
> > It is not the magic solution but someone can use paris one card system
for
> > realtime mixing device running his cubase program from another pc over
> > lan...
> > Regards,
> > Dimitrios
> >
> > "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43180ecc$1@linux...
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmm, it's only $50US... I'm very tempted. ;o)
> > >
> > > What's the cost of this Console wrapper. Did a quick google. I take it
> > this
> > > is it at $54...
> > >
> > > http://www.kvraudio.com/get/267.html ?
> > >
> > > So it's $104US for the whole shebang. Not too shabby at all...
> > >
> > > I have been, in my mental peripheral vision, partly aware that you've
> been
> > > working on this. It does sound interesting. I don't mean to be a pain,
> but
> > > could you take us through exactly what you've acheived here? Why
> Console?
> > > Are you running VSTi's in Cubase on another box over the LAN
interfacing
> > > back to Paris? I read talk somewhere that Console can clock to
MIDI...?
> > >
> > > What exactly are you able to do with this setup?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Kim.
> > >
> > > "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> > > >Hi,
> > > >After some good tries I came up with a paris wormhole version.
> > > >There is one specific version (which Adrian from wormhole has
tailored
> to
> > > >our needs) that will work best with Paris.
> > > >It works under Me and I can have at least 8 tracks of fully synced
> audio
> > > >tracks coming from second computer via lan.
> > > >You have to use though console wrapper as it is the only yet that
sends
> > > >syncing information.
> > > >I wanna know when I finally test this baby that he will get some
> support
> > > >from us.
> > > >We have to buy some of us (I have already) ) to justify all his extra
> > > >efforts he made for us.
> > > >It is cheap anyway...
> > > >Please respond with some positive interest in buying.
> > > >Afterall you will get fuller versions with updates for other systems
> that
> > > >work great along with Paris version.
> > > >Come on guys we don't expect people to work for us and have nothing
for
> > > >return...
> > > >This way we may keep Paris alive for years (I hope) to come...
> > > >Regards,
> > > >Dimitrios
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>Drumagog works in Me....
Regards,
Dimitrios
"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
news:43036b48$1@linux...
>
> Does it work with ME??
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >If you haven't seen it, it is very cool now.
> >Finally got Drumagog 4.02 cooking and it is as good as it ever was.
> >Better graphics although settings are a little too small for=20
> >my taste. Cool new features like a graphic of a stick
> >hitting a drum in time with the trigger instead of a meter.
> >Rim says it is low on the CPU priority chain so not to worry.
> >I'm still figuring out a few things but it looks much better than
> >2.0 which I was using. Seems to trigger more easily and allows for
> >less latency-greater CPU load settings.
> >
> >Great plugin in general.
> >Tom
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> ><HTML><HEAD>
> ><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> >charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> ><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you haven't seen it, it is very cool
> =
> >
> >now.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Finally got Drumagog =
> >4.02 cooking and it=20
> >is as good as it ever was.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Better graphics although settings are a
> =
> >little too=20
> >small for </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>my taste. Cool new features =
> >like a=20
> >graphic of a stick</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hitting a drum in time with the trigger
> =
> >instead of=20
> >a meter.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rim says it is low on the CPU priority
> =
> >chain so not=20
> >to worry.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm still figuring out a few =
> >things but it=20
> >looks much better than</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2.0 which I was using. Seems to =
> >trigger more=20
> >easily and allows for</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>less latency-greater CPU load=20
> >settings.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Great plugin in general.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >
> >
>hell, i'd be yelling WHY ME WHY ME and who the hell came up with this
damn nailing idea?
did you get that e-mail attachment from a few days ago?
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 21:55:18 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Well............can you blame a guy for asking his dad to cut him some
>slack?
>
>;oP
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:fvuhh19emndrfsh551vp3pabnu6iqjn8d6@4ax.com...
>> my friend, everybody lies. there has Never been a human being that
>> has not lied about something. even when christ asked his father if
>> this was all necessary while he was on the cross temporarily negated
>> all the holy truths to make a point.
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:38:50 -0600, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Hmmmm........I agree with the 40 centuries thing. As for the lying, maybe
>we
>> >should look at who was doing the lying......like the UN, the French,
>Sadaam,
>> >quite a few scumbags of various ilk here and in other countries,
>including
>> >our own Oscar Wyatt of Coastal Energy and ol' whatsisname who never had
>> >sexual relations with that woman........ depending on what the meaning of
>> >"is" is, of course, his criminal buddy Mark Rich whom he pardoned and
>whose
>> >wife is Hilary's good buddy.......and so on. If Mr. Bill would have been
>> >minding the store, there wouldn't have been a Sadaam or any of this Iraq
>> >crap now because he could have attended to it through the UN
>(theoretically)
>> >before the was was so conveniently forgotten and Sadaam had a chance to
>> >bribe his way out of the sanctions.
>> >
>> >
>> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:2onhh1dlam54a0u1i9t7g64rbcfjspl94m@4ax.com...
>> >> true, cuz they felt the whatever right would never lie to them. hey,
>> >> everybody lies about everything if they see a big enough benefit for
>> >> themselves for whatever reason...and i gots 40 centuries of history on
>> >> my side for this statement.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:33:20 -0600, "DJ"
>> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I agree.....and because the middle did nothing, the war that started
>in
>> >1991
>> >> >never ended.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:26ahh19c5chmg8si9bhcluuakm6ibg3eo6@4ax.com...
>> >> >> first, we don't have the manpower to pull off what would be need to
>be
>> >> >> done.
>> >> >> second, we'd have to lose the "nice guy" approach to a war of this
>> >> >> kind.
>> >> >> third, i believe all sides have the not only the right but the duty
>to
>> >> >> speak up. imho, it's when the middle says and does nothing is when
>> >> >> you get a sadam or hitler...cuz it's only the extremes who do all
>the
>> >> >> talking and taking.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:41:22 -0600, "DJ"
>> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >It's certainly looking that way isn't it?........and this is
>because
>> >of
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >*middle* I was talking about. We don't have the balls to stand up
>and
>> >> >fight
>> >> >> >anymore and the enemies of this country know that all they need to
>do
>> >is
>> >> >> >wait for the leftists to get their various *activist movements* in
>> >gear
>> >> >and
>> >> >> >undermine the military effort while spouting off their
>quasitreasonous
>> >> >crap
>> >> >> >while wrapping it in pseudopatriotic bullshit.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >It's as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:bssgh1pu1n27anqr51elceg798jqjcdggq@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> but we are fighting a half assed war in a half assed fashion just
>as
>> >> >> >> we did in vietnam.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:14:46 -0600, "DJ"
>> >> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The
>> >middle
>> >> >> >would
>> >> >> >> >work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly
>> >> >acknowledge
>> >> >> >> >and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as
>> >serious
>> >> >as
>> >> >> >> >WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you
>can't
>> >> >fight
>> >> >> >a
>> >> >> >> >war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you
>first
>> >> >> >> >acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> >> "perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I
>see
>> >and
>> >> >> >> >> seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me."
>> >> >kinda
>> >> >> >> >> sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes
>> >the
>> >> >> >> >> norm.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> :o(
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
>> >> >> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies.
>If I
>> >am
>> >> >> >> >> >stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every
>> >anti-industry
>> >> >> >> >> >viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I
>do
>> >> >> >question
>> >> >> >> >> >both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might
>> >> >discover
>> >> >> >> >that
>> >> >> >> >> >I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with
>the
>> >> >least
>> >> >> >> >> >dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in
>the
>> >> >middle
>> >> >> >> >that
>> >> >> >> >> >looks reasonable to me.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message
>news:43174724$1@linux...
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just
>reinforced
>> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >stereotype
>> >> >> >> >> >> of someone who works in the industry.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the
>new
>> >> >White
>> >> >> >> >House
>> >> >> >> >> >> >sponsored
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails
>to
>> >> >reduce
>> >> >> >> >> >> >America's
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global
>> >> >warming,
>> >> >> >> >fails
>> >> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy,
>and
>> >> >fails
>> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >help
>> >> >> >> >> >> >consumers
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> at the gas pump.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> What it did do includes:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
>> >> >> >> >construction
>> >> >> >> >> >> >activities
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of
>> >oil
>> >> >per
>> >> >> >day
>> >> >> >> >in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >2014
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil
>industry.
>> >(Who
>> >> >> >are
>> >> >> >> >all
>> >> >> >> >> >> >showing
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest
>> >> >giveaway
>> >> >> >of
>> >> >> >> >all
>> >> >> >> >> >> >time.)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to
>> >list
>> >> >but
>> >> >> >my
>> >> >> >> >> >> >personal
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> favorites are:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Giving $800 million for companies in Texas and Louisiana
>to
>> >> >> >> >compensate
>> >> >> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> their phase out of the gasoline additive MTBE, which
>> >studies
>> >> >have
>> >> >> >> >> >> >concluded
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> contaminates ground water and causes cancer.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Since we will now longer allow you to poison us we will
>> >give
>> >> >you
>> >> >> >> >$800
>> >> >> >> >> >> >million
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> for your trouble. "Coincidently", the Bush family has
>> >> >> >considerable
>> >> >> >> >> >> >holdings
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> in one of the companies.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >FYI, MTBE is an additive that the environmental lobby
>> >*insisted*
>> >> >on
>> >> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >refineries adding to fuel because it reduced certain
>> >emissions
>> >> >> >levels.
>> >> >> >> >It
>> >> >> >> >> >> >was never tested properly before this was legislated.
>Turns
>> >out
>> >> >it
>> >> >> >was
>> >> >> >> >> >bad
>> >> >> >> >> >> >shit and how the oil companies are being sued for it when
>> >they
>> >> >only
>> >> >> >> >did
>> >> >> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> >> >because it was federally mandated.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Not only opening up parts of the Alaska Wildlife Refuge,
>> >but
>> >> >also
>> >> >> >> >> >similar
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> areas in Wyoming. Why Wyoming?. "Coincidently", the
>Chaney
>> >> >family
>> >> >> >> >has
>> >> >> >> >> >> >future
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Oil/mineral rights to some of this property.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >There are huge natural gas reserves in Wyoming on the
>eastern
>> >> >slope
>> >> >> >of
>> >> >> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >rocky mountains. One of the biggest known ones is right
>> >outside
>> >> >of
>> >> >> >> >> >Glacier
>> >> >> >> >> >> >National park. You gotta go where the gas is to get it.
>The
>> >fact
>> >> >> >that
>> >> >> >> >> >Cheney
>> >> >> >> >> >> >owns mineral rights there is certainly fortunate fro
>Cheyney,
>> >> >but
>> >> >> >he's
>> >> >> >> >> >from
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Wyoming. I doubt he moved his family there 3 or four
>> >generations
>> >> >> >ago
>> >> >> >> >just
>> >> >> >> >> >> >because he knew that someday we would have high natural
>gas
>> >> >prices.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >His brother is a surveyor in this area and I have worked
>with
>> >> >him
>> >> >> >> >before.
>> >> >> >> >> >> If
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Cheyney is anything like his brother, it might be a good
>> >thing
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >get
>> >> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >know him before casting stones. Yeh.....I know.........its
>
>> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >Halliburton
>> >> >> >> >> >> >thing, right?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> In 2003, if you bought a Toyota Hybrid and owned a
>business
>> >> >you
>> >> >> >> >would
>> >> >> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> received $450 in tax reduction from the IRS because of
>its
>> >> >energy
>> >> >> >> >> >> >efficiency.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you bought a Hummer H1 (7 miles per gallon) and owned
>a
>> >> >> >business,
>> >> >> >> >> >you
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> would have received aprox. $30,000 in tax reduction from
>> >the
>> >> >IRS.
>> >> >> >> >> >(Public
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> outcry has recently forced the closure of this tax
>> >loophole.)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Most of the folks around here who own Hummers are tree
>> >huggers.
>> >> >> >(Just
>> >> >> >> >a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >little perspective)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >;o)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gene
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> P.S. DJ - I agree. Our countries largest vulnerability
>is
>> >our
>> >> >> >> >absolute
>> >> >> >> >> >> >reliance
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> on our current energy model. Any time our oil sources
>are
>> >> >> >negatively
>> >> >> >> >> >> >effected
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> we go into an instant recession. This essentially
>enslaves
>> >us
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >> >large
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> foreign oil producers and causes the "need" for
>Big-Stick
>> >> >> >diplomacy.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Unfortunately we are about to come to a critical fork in
>> >the
>> >> >> >road.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> The people who will profit the most will be pushing the
>> >idea
>> >> >that
>> >> >> >we
>> >> >> >> >> >must
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> reduce or remove all environmental constraints on energy
>> >> >> >suppliers
>> >> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >> >> help
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> us achieve independence and keep our economy working.
>This
>> >> >will
>> >> >> >help
>> >> >> >> >> >make
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> many of them even richer and will shorten the time
>before
>> >we
>> >> >> >> >completely
>> >> >> >> >> >> >run
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> out of US oil reserves, but will also cause tremendous
>> >health
>> >> >> >issues
>> >> >> >> >> >and
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> will result in serious environmental impacts. Some of
>this
>> >> >> >already
>> >> >> >> >> >> >started.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Only a national level push for new energy sources and
>> >energy
>> >> >> >> >> >independence,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> similar to the 1960s push to go to the moon, will help
>us
>> >now.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> That plus having a White House and Congress that
>actually
>> >> >cares
>> >> >> >more
>> >> >> >> >> >about
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> saving our economy then their personal wealth.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gene
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>for my 14 gal tank when it hits 7 bucks. but, they just dropped it
..40 a gallon here yesterday so i don't know.
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 01:14:35 -0400, "justcron"
<justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>it costs $100 to fill the tank.
>
>how long?
>ignorance is bliss and i'm one happy mfer.
On 3 Sep 2005 11:11:43 +1000, "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>whatever heads will roll will be of the lower echelons variety.
>>always has and always will. crap i hope i spelt the e word correctly.
>
>The irony, of course, is that you indeed spelled "echelons"
>correctly, but missed "the" by a mile.
>
>:)the race issue was not directed towards you or anyone for that matter.
t'was just a base cover as to things that have been brought up
elsewhere.
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:54:23 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> cat 3 levee..enough???...politics, that's who. race aside, it's those
>> with the money that make the decisions. sometimes they're right and
>
>I agree with the politics. Who said anything about race?
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:mpthh117jih0c52lef765p58q9l8g9vjcr@4ax.com...
>> here my friend, i really have to disagree with you. this is not like
>> this is the first time something like this has happened. i'm not
>> going to blame it on race, i'm not going to blame it on politics, but
>> i will blame it on economic opportunities which by the by is no
>> stranger to the great american tragedy...err...bed partnership. as
>> soon as price gouging was raised by our state govt., the cost of gas
>> dropped by 30 cents per gal. ...gosh...what a surprise since we get
>> our fuel from................................not nawlins. yesterday
>> there were reports of shortages and today...well...there ain't.
>>
>> cat 3 levee..enough???...politics, that's who. race aside, it's those
>> with the money that make the decisions. sometimes they're right and a
>> lot of times they're wrong; unless you've got the bucks to prove
>> otherwise...you're fucked. the town i live in is controlled by a
>> people from a wealthier community 10 miles away: don't think that all
>> that's done here isn't for their benefit....while they live here. we
>> get a "way below average for the state stay" here cuz people move in
>> and vote for everything then leave. why, cuz it's cheaper to do it
>> here for the couple of years than to do it where they came from. our
>> millage rate is amongst the highest in the nation; being 114 Yrs. old
>> (between us) with no kids we get taxed the same as all the
>> rabbits...FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF that.
>>
>> i so swear by all that is holy that i so do OT PUSH SHEEP through
>> fences...unless of course it's absolutely necessary.
>>
>> please take the humor along with the seriousness of my words as not an
>> personal attack, as i mean every bodies voice is welcome in my world.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:58:32 -0600, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I agree that this was pretty awful. Was it FEMA's fault? I don't know.
>How
>> >effective would it have been to rush a bunch of stuff in there only to
>have
>> >it be destroyed in a flood or commandeered by looters? I don't think
>anyone
>> >knew what was going to happen, but if anyone should have had a reading on
>> >this and their finger on the pulse of the whole thing, it should have
>been
>> >local and state officials first off. I saw the evacuation announcement by
>> >the mayor of NO. It wasn't persuasive at all and it was wayyyyy too late.
>He
>> >should have had emergency personnel out in the neighborhoods convincing
>> >community leaders to get onboard with a real evacuation. It's pretty
>obvious
>> >that no one wanted to leave because they were afraid that if they did,
>> >they'd lose their possessions to thieves......which is what happened
>anyway.
>> >If you've ever lived in New Orleans, you know that the crime rate is bad
>and
>> >if you don't cover your own ass right then and there, it's going to be
>too
>> >little, too late when the cops show up. In the absence of a huge push
>from
>> >local authorities, I can understand why these folks didn't want to leave.
>> >The planning was bad, but the beginning of the disaster lies with the
>local
>> >political machine.
>> >
>> >What I'm wondering about is who made the decision that a category 3 levee
>> >was going to be sufficient to protect the city.
>> >
>> >
>> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:kvnhh19njal98ijoj49su29ldlai0e7snq@4ax.com...
>> >> "I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
>> >> horrible" by a promise to remove government from our lives. good bad
>> >> or indifferent, it is what it is...luckily we have a 2 minute memory
>> >> and in a couple of years this will all be a remember when...thing.
>> >> except for those who are still being affected by it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >mess,
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:32:36 -0400, "uptown jimmy"
>> >> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html
>> >> >
>> >> >I am not a partisan person. I wish to god we could have a discussion
>> >about
>> >> >what is going on in the world without all the sanctimony and
>> >> >self-righteousness.
>> >> >
>> >> >This link is to a CNN compare/contrast piece which succinctly
>summarizes
>> >the
>> >> >radical disconnect between the Feds and reality over the last few
>days.
>> >> >
>> >> >I repeat: heads will roll. I have a feeling they will include the head
>of
>> >> >FEMA, Micheal Brown.
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't know how to account for the 5-day Federal bungling of this
>> >horrible
>> >> >mess, but I will watch with full attention as certain public officials
>> >are
>> >> >excoriated over this. Some of these folks will be pariahs for a long
>time
>> >to
>> >> >come.
>> >> >
>> >> >Jimmy
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>I have a couple of good friends who are on different sides of the fence
politically, socially, religiously, etc., yet they love working together.
The conservative one drives a Ford Expedition, which they have collectively
nicknamed, "The Republican." I'm pretty sure it's getting pretty close to
that GPM designation.
CL
"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:43193455$1@linux...
> Already done it. $113. I drive a great big ozone killing gas loving
> big-ass truck. Goes through gas like there's no tomorrow... in fact, me
and
> my ol' truck and GW are working on makin' sure there ain't no tomorrow.
> Presently, I don't get MPG - I get GPM... the lower the better I aalways
> say. Sometimes I just fire it up and let it run just to see if I can
> hogcall up one of them there K5's or F7. Had my gas cap autographed this
> week by GW, several big TX oil tycoons - hope to get a few more on the
left
> front fender and right on the tank...
>
> Anybody got a light?
> Dubya
>
>
> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
> news:43193141@linux...
> > it costs $100 to fill the tank.
> >
> > how long?
> >
>
>Hi,
Transient designer does not enhance low frequency but gives or takes the
attack and the sustain of a sound.
So you can make a kick or snare kick with real punchtake away the attack of
an acoustic guitar to make it not interact so much with drum groove.
You can also isolate better than gating the kick or and snare cutting of the
sustain of the sound.
The machine is really great.
Regards,
Dimitrios
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43191f2d$1@linux...
> ...........errrrrr............well...........anyone used one? I know it's
> been around for a while and I've been reading the literature on this. It
> looks like a really nice way to enhance LF elements within a mix while
> keeping them isolated in the sound stage. Could also be a big asset to
> mixing tracks that that were recorded in the same space with lots of mic
> bleed witthout having to EQ the life out fo certain tracks.....maybe?
>
>Chris Latham wrote:
> I have a couple of good friends who are on different sides of the fence
> politically, socially, religiously, etc., yet they love working together.
Good for them! Bitter political divisiveness in this country sometimes
approaches the dysfunctional. Best not to let such cacophony ruin
relationships.
From some sources, characterizations themselves tend to the extreme. In
reality, people have a range of opinions on a range of issues, with some
very fundamental outlooks in common. Any painting of large groups of
people into "one side or the other," as if there are only two extreme
perspectives, seems surreal.
> The conservative one drives a Ford Expedition, which they have collectively
> nicknamed, "The Republican." I'm pretty sure it's getting pretty close to
> that GPM designation.
I don't understand why a political party that likes to think of itself
as "conservative" would want to be associated with liberal use of
gasoline; liberal spending and dependency on an increasingly costly
commodity significantly controlled by other countries; tax and spend;
liberal depletion of a limited resource; dangerous rollover tendencies;
and liberal amounts of pollution.
Shouldn't "The Republican" of today be, I dunno, a Toyota Prius?
Cheers,
-Jamie K
http://www.JamieKrutz.
> CL
>
> "W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:43193455$1@linux...
>
>>Already done it. $113. I drive a great big ozone killing gas loving
>>big-ass truck. Goes through gas like there's no tomorrow... in fact, me
>
> and
>
>>my ol' truck and GW are working on makin' sure there ain't no tomorrow.
>>Presently, I don't get MPG - I get GPM... the lower the better I aalways
>>say. Sometimes I just fire it up and let it run just to see if I can
>>hogcall up one of them there K5's or F7. Had my gas cap autographed this
>>week by GW, several big TX oil tycoons - hope to get a few more on the
>
> left
>
>>front fender and right on the tank...
>>
>>Anybody got a light?
>>Dubya
>>
>>
>>"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
>>news:43193141@linux...
>>
>>>it costs $100 to fill the tank.
>>>
>>>how long?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>You may have noticed I agree with you, for the most part. It appears
there have been significant shorcomings in preparation for and reaction
to the hurricane and flooding. There needs to be an accounting on local,
regional and national levels.
But describing people who disagree with any of the current
administration's policies as "you Bush-haters" doing a "little hate
litany" is a "partisan knife" way of asking people not to politicize the
disaster.
I think most folks would agree that all levels of government need to be
held accountable for any shorcomings and praised for any successes. I
think we will find major problems and a number of heros in the process.
One thing that should be examined is the role of the homeland security
reorganization in our preparedness for this sort of disaster. Did it
make us more prepared or less prepared?
Cheers,
-Jamie K
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
DC wrote:
>
>
>>Heh. Wow. Good to see that you put away the partisan knives, Don. :^)
>
>
>
> Did you understand what I said??
>
> Bush will get the blame he deserves. I am not defending him.
>
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