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| EQing your room [message #73530] |
Wed, 04 October 2006 05:42  |
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brandon[2]
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some headroom... set a default template (if
> you use them) so that all track channels are at, for example,
> -6 or so, or simply remember to drop channels levels down as you
> add them. Groups where you're using EFX on are ok to run at full
> blast, since you probably won't be sending stuff to them that
> hot anyway."
>
> I guess no one saw my post to DJ the other day, that is what paris is
doing
> behind the scenes. It is dipping individual tracks by 20+ DB and boosting
> the master by 20+ DB all without you even knowing about it.
>
> The individual track meters read the actual level, but that is *not* what
> is getting summed at the master.
>
> This is the only difference I can spot between all other designs I know
about.
> It's definitely why paris mixes 'gel' for DJ.
>
> You can't, and don't need to push the individual channels in other
systems.
> Thad's advice was good too, put a brickwall across the master and boost
> there!
>
> Chuck
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>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>I switch all
>the Nuendo buses to a single mix 2bus and the mix "shrinks" sonically.
>
>that's exactly what I'm hearing Dave.
If you hold a funnel in your hand, and you try to use a pressure
washer to force 100 gallons a minute through that funnel, not
only will the funnel not be able to accomodate that flow, but
you will also get wet in the process. If, however, you adjust
the water flow so that it is at slightly less than the capacity
of the funnel, not only will you not get wet, but everything
will flow smoothly, and the stream emanating from the end of the
funnel will be a thing of beauty...
....grasshopper.
Think zen when mixing in Cubase.
:DOn 13 Oct 2006 10:28:07 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Next day in the afternoon = "Whew! Man, I am exhausted, 176
>hours straight with no sleep, and with the problems I'm having
>with this rig, I don't think we got a viable mix down on ANY of
>their songs... because of the fire in the new PC, I went back
>to a Paris/Cubase mix matrix summed to a TASCAM Portastudio for
>that phat analog sound, and everything was going well unti
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| Re: EQing your room [message #73535 is a reply to message #73530] |
Wed, 04 October 2006 06:56  |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
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>>>>>
>>>>>>As I've said a dozen times, or more, I can vouch for the sonic quality
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>the Creamware synths. The Prophet in particular is spectacular. I just
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>worry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>about compatibility and the stability of the company.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>After a touchy email I am about to describe my Paris creamware setup.
>>>>>>>Paris users "should" have digital in outs.
>>>>>>>442 interface with spdif can do , mecs with adat cards far better
intergration.
>>>>>>>Even analog connections can do here, but you could avoid extra AD/DA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>routes.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>First of all.
>>>>>>>Creamware looks like what Paris could grow up with version 7.x and
up
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>It is totally dsp oriented environement a totally awesome routing
possibilities
>>>>>>>familiar to Paris patch-bay.
>>>>>>>You know cables and devices hoockups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Creamware has the Pulsar I cards that have 4 dsp chips , Pulsar II
cards
>>>>>>>that have 6 dsps (recommended) and Power pulsars that have an amzing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>15
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>dsps !
>>>>>>>You can have up to 3 cards on same computer system.
>>>>>>>PIII would be sufficient or any computer as the matter of fact.
>>>>>>>Each Pulsar II card (pulsar I discontinued) has normally the classic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>option
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>which gives two analog in/outs (24/96) good sounding conversion 16
adat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>in/outs,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>spdif in out and two midi in/outs totally 32 midi channels.
>>>>>>>Each Pulsar card has the main on board effects included which are
the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>usual
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>effects like chorus, delays , reverbs, synthesizers, compressors,
limiters,
>>>>>>>tons of free devices that can be found on www.planetz.com/forums all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>very
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>good quality plus the beloved extras.
>>>>>>>The fantastic new ones form digitalaudiosoft are the SSL channels
strip
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>(fantastic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>ssl emule) the vintage eq's that has a pultec a Neve 1084 and an API
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>550
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>eq all awesome sounding, hearing is believing, the best reverb I have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>heard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>so far RMX 160 the RMX 16 emulator, a awesome dynamic eq with many
bangs
>>>>>>>SSL compressor (come free with buying anything) all sold around 99
Euros
>>>>>>>each.
>>>>>>>Bundles 198 Euros (like the three eqs I mentioned )
>>>>>>>These guys are tremendous programmers and more emulations are to be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>available
>>
>&
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| Re: EQing your room [message #73546 is a reply to message #73530] |
Wed, 04 October 2006 09:01 |
"Kris" .
Messages: 27
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>>>>pricing.
>>>>
>>>>Or just wait a few months and buy the previous model at a discount when
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>the new model comes out in any category. Or buy a recent used one, G5
>>>>
>>>>
>or
>
>
>>>>faster if for serious media production, Intel if laptop.
>>>>
>>>>But I agree with Ab, even if you buy a new one at street price Macs are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>a reasonable value well worth considering these days. They range from
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>less than a grand to around 3 grand; in form factor from laptop to tiny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>box to monitor/computer combo to roomy tower; and all current models
>>>>
>>>>
>and
>
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>>>>many recent models have plenty of horsepower to handle (for example)
>>>>
>>>>
>
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>>>>heavy audio production use, in a reasonably elegant environment.
>>>>
>>>>As far as breaking goes, the weak point on PowerBooks used to be the
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>hinge joints. They changed the design from dual hinges to a wider,
>>>>middle hinge which seems much more solid in current and more recent
>>>>models. But for any laptop from any manufacturer I always tell people
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>it's worth it to get a good padded case and use it.
>>>>
>>>>Good luck, enjoy!
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ab wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>because they are worth the money
>>>>>
>>>>>Ab
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>There is no "good" deal with a Fruit computer. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Presumably due to some kind or karmic punishment, I'm being forced
>>>>>>>
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>to
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&g
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| Re: EQing your room [message #73552 is a reply to message #73546] |
Wed, 04 October 2006 10:22 |
brandon[2]
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ther
> channels. The sumed signal is then passed through a buffer
> amp (or high turns ratio transformer in older consoles) to
> get the level back.
>
> Maybe the Paris sound is more closely related to SSC's old
> Midas than we know! ;-) Wonder what became of that desk
> anyway....
>
> David.
>
> chuck duffy wrote:
> > "1.) Give yourself some headroom... set a default template (if
> > you use them) so that all track channels are at, for example,
> > -6 or so, or simply remember to drop channels levels down as you
> > add them. Groups where you're using EFX on are ok to run at full
> > blast, since you probably won't be sending stuff to them that
> > hot anyway."
> >
> > I guess no one saw my post to DJ the other day, that is what paris is
doing
> > behind the scenes. It is dipping individual tracks by 20+ DB and
boosting
> > the master by 20+ DB all without you even knowing about it.
> >
> > The individual track meters read the actual level, but that is *not*
what
> > is getting summed at the master.
> >
> > This is the only difference I can spot between all other designs I know
about.
> > It's definitely why paris mixes 'gel' for DJ.
> >
> > You can't, and don't need to push the individual channels in other
systems.
> > Thad's advice was good too, put a brickwall across the master and boost
> > there!
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >All the guys who worked on paris were musicians. I think they approached
headroom in a daw like headroom in a console. I think what you are saying
is exactly what they did.
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>Well, if you think about it, that is exactly what most
>analog consoles do... The channels fader output is fed
>through resistors before being summed with the other
>channels. The sumed signal is then passed through a buffer
>amp (or high turns ratio transformer in older consoles) to
>get the level back.
>
>Maybe the Paris sound is more closely related to SSC's old
>Midas than we know! ;-) Wonder what became of that desk
>anyway....
>
>David.
>
>chuck duffy wrote:
>> "1.) Give yourself some headroom... set a default template (if
>> you use them) so that all track channels are at, for example,
>> -6 or so, or simply remember to drop channels levels down as you
>> add them. Groups where you're using EFX on are ok to run at full
>> blast, since you probably won't be sending stuff to them that
>> hot anyway."
>>
>> I guess no one saw my post to DJ the other day, that is what paris is
doing
>> behind the scenes. It is dipping individual tracks by 20+ DB and boosting
>> the master by 20+ DB all without you even knowing about it.
>>
>> The individual track meters read the actual level, but that is *not* what
>> is getting summed at the master.
>>
>> This is the only difference I can spot between all other designs I know
about.
>> It's definitely why paris mixes 'gel' for DJ.
>>
>> You can't, and don't need to push the individual channels in other systems.
>> Thad's advice was good too, put a brickwall across the master and boost
>> there!
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>Short clip, just under a minute... hi-rez Mp3. This is NOT
using stems, BTW, it's just a regular standard mix:
http://www.saqqararecords.com/images/DracoClipRou
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