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| Re: To RAID or not to RAID for PARIS... Now is the question!!! Please help! [message #61986 is a reply to message #61985] |
Thu, 29 December 2005 01:58   |
erlilo
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>Hi Guys, Some thoughts:
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>Has anyone noticed that since our beloved Paris DAW($2700list)there has
no
> pro DAW for under 10k??? Why??
>
>I know we have the Cubases ($499) Nuendo's ($1,500), Logic(1k), DP(699)
&
>Sonar($400). There are all very good naitive systems that will yield pro
>results. However, I can't belive thatthere is not one manufacture other
than
>Digidesign that want's to producer a DSP based DAW?? It's almost 6 years
>since the plug was pulled on Paris! Yes, I did not forget about Soundscape..
>
>My Point in this post is to bring to ligh that Paris was a product that
served
>the "Middle ground" studio. Now, looking back, it's price point was revolutionary.
> AND That's the point..
>
>Today, if you're shelling out at least 10k for a PT HD system, your only
>other alternative is do a naitive system..Again, I'm not saying that naitive's
>are bad, but we all know that there's nothing like a cool DSP DAW..Even
more,
>it's a knwon fact that, if you wew to build your naitive system up to Pro
>standards (AD/DA converters,mixer,DSP FX cards) you'd actually come to an
>PT HD system.
>There has to be a manuf
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| Re: To RAID or not to RAID for PARIS... Now is the question!!! Please help! [message #61989 is a reply to message #61986] |
Thu, 29 December 2005 07:30 |
Kim
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they can dictate jsut
>how much cool stuff reaches the lowered of the spectrum. What I mean is
,
>PT LE is just enough to get frustrated to only dream and save up for HD..
>
>
>Now, we have this Apple fiasco..New machines, with new CPUS, little software
>support. do they really think that thisi was good move now?? I'm not even
>a current Mac owner and I agonise for MAc lovers and users. If I were them,
>I would not upgrade for at leat 3-4 years. I digress again ..:) Sorry.
>
>Again, calling on all new and current manufactures..You a vast market of
>Pro users and studios that needs more juice and pro features than your current
>offereing, but we don;t want to spend 20k for it.. Soemthing along say 3-15k
>would do it..
>Okay end of rant..LaMont
>By the way, the reason I am pissed off is because I have people who want
to PAY me to record and I won't have them over because PARIS is not
reliable for me still. Any help greatly appreciated.
John wrote:
> So what works in the pain in the ass recording system?
>
> LaMOnt wrote:
>
>> Some of the newer vst plugs were coded for the asio2 standard, which does
>> not always translate well into Paris..
>> LaMOnt
>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a bunch of DX and VST plugs some are M > S, some are S > S
>>> and some have Mono in the label additionally. I'm crashing all the
>>> time when I use them.
>>>
>>> I often have mono channels I want to treat. Can I use both M > S and S
>>
>>
>>
>>>> S plugs on the mono channels or not? I'm trying to find the reason
>>>
>>>
>>> for the crashes but don't know what is and isn't allowed. I also
>>> have chainer and spinaudio wrapper. So what's the skinny? What
>>> works for both Mono and Stereo scenarios please? THANKS
>>>
>>>
>>> True or false?
>>>
>>> Don't mix DX and VSTs on the same channel ?
>>>
>>> Don't mix M>S and S>S(with stereo unchecked) vsts ?
>>>
>>> Don't use S>S vsts with stereo unchecked ?
>>
>><
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| Re: To RAID or not to RAID for PARIS... Now is the question!!! Please help! [message #61993 is a reply to message #61985] |
Thu, 29 December 2005 08:19 |
TCB
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> >>>>Pro users and studios that needs more juice and pro features than your
> >>
> >> current
> >>
> >>>>offereing, but we don;t want to spend 20k for it.. Soemthing along say
> >>
> >> 3-15k
> >>
> >>>>would do it..
> >>>>Okay end of rant..LaMont
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
>I'm finally getting around to mixing one of the dozen concerts I've
rercorded at CST.
Instead of trying to put a room rev or plate on individual channels,
I'd just like to put a little room on the final mix to add some of
that "live" feel.
However, when I use one of the EDS plugins on the global master, I
don't seem to have any wet/dry control - all I need is a taste, not to
be drenched in verb.
Any ideas? Maybe mix it down to stereo, import those into a couple of
tracks, and put something on those?
I throw myself on the wisdom of the Great Paris Brain Trust. That,
and maybe Rick and Deej.
;-p
Thanks, guys.
pabHey Mike,
Yep, youre right in your evaluation. I just find the current mid-level pro
offerings lacking,if non existent..
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Am I hearing you right? Sounds like you're looking for an upgrade path that
>will provide
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| Re: To RAID or not to RAID for PARIS... Now is the question!!! Please help! [message #61996 is a reply to message #61986] |
Thu, 29 December 2005 08:17 |
Suad
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s and the increase in capability was worth the upgrade
>> >costs, just as it would have been with a DSP based system.
>> >
>> >If I had to buy from scratch today, I'd either pick up a Quad PowerMac
>> >or save a bunch of money and get a dual G5 PowerMac, add extra RAM and
>> >HD, Digital Performer or Logic, a Firewire i/o box or two and some third
>>
>> >party plugins. That system would probably last for the next ten years.
>> >Even if I added a 24 moving fader controller it would be well under 10K.
>>
>> >Again, what I do and what you do may be different so your mileage may
>vary.
>> >
>> >My current 2.5GHZ dual G5 is fast enough that I don't feel the need to
>> >upgrade it for audio production. It could go for the next decade with
>> >slowing me down.
>> >
>> >However if I decide to upgrade it at some point for animation or video
>> >production, the audio side will come along for the ride at no extra cost.
>> >
>> >
>> >> At least with a DSP based sytem, you know what you have, and the native
>> cpu
>> >> is a secondary issue.
>> >
>> >With the speed of CPUs today, why tie yourself to a hardware-limited
DSP
>>
>> >system. If the company you buy it from is in business in five years,
the
>>
>> >cost to upgrade a system like that could be much higher than just buying
>>
>> >a newer, faster computer.
>> >
>> >And when you buy a newer, faster computer you are upgrading everything
>> >that runs on it, all your plugins, virtual instruments, even other
>> >software (graphics, animation, video editing, software development,
>> >whatever else you do), in one shot.
>> >
>> >
>> >Plus, low latency, better i/o integration in a pro
>> >> enviorment..
>> >
>> &g
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| Re: To RAID or not to RAID for PARIS... Now is the question!!! Please help! [message #61999 is a reply to message #61989] |
Thu, 29 December 2005 08:38 |
Suad
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gt;>
>> >>>Intel, pick your best time for the transition.
>> >>>
>> >>>If you want to make music using OSX right away there are plenty of
PPC
>>
>> >>>choices that work today, all the way up to the quad PowerMac which
has
>>
>> >>>more muscle than you probably need. Available now and they'll continue
>>
>> >>>to work after the Intel transition.
>> >>>
>> >>>Cheers,
>> >>> -Jamie
>> >>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>LaMont wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>Hi Guys, Some thoughts:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Has anyone noticed that since our beloved Paris DAW($2700list)there
>has
>> >>
>> >> no
>> >>
>> >>>> pro DAW for under 10k??? Why??
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I know we have the Cubases ($499) Nuendo's ($1,500), Logic(1k),
>DP(699)
>> >>
>> >> &
>> >>
>> >>>>Sonar($400). There are all very good naitive systems that will yield
>> pro
>> >>>>results. However, I can't belive thatthere is not one manufacture
>other
>> >>
>> >> than
>> >>
>> >>>>Digidesign that want's to producer a DSP based DAW?? It's almost 6
>years
>> >>>>since the plug was pulled on Paris! Yes, I did not forget about
>Soundscape..
>> >>>>
>> >>>>My Point in this post is to bring to ligh that Paris was a product
>that
>> >>
>> >> served
>> >>
>> >>>>the "Middle ground" studio. Now, looking back, it's price point was
>revolutionary.
>> >>>> AND That's the point..
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Today, if you're shelling out at least 10k for a PT HD system, your
>only
>> >>>>other alternative is do a naitive system..Again, I'm not saying that
>> naitive's
>> >>>>are bad, but we all know that there's nothing like a cool DSP
>DAW..Even
>> >>
>> >> more,
>> >>
>> >>>>it's a knwon fact that, if you wew to build your naitive system up
to
>> >>
>> >> Pro
>> >>
>> >>>>standards (AD/DA converters,mixer,DSP FX cards) you'd actually come
to
>> >>
>> >> an
>> >>
>> >>>>PT HD system.
>> >>>>There has to be a manufactuer that will stand up and fill in the gap
>> between
>> >>>>PT HD & the Naitives. Any company has the balls??
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Today my dream DAW would come from Mackie:
>> >>>>-The MAckie DBX digital mixer (Dual touch screens)that also had the
>capability
>> >>>>to record up to 128 24/96 audio tracks. Using the same cool editing
>found
>> >>>>in their earlier Hard disk recorder MDR2496. The mix has the
>capabilities
>> >>>>to add up to 3or 4 UAD cards, as well as third party FX for the mixer.
>> >>
>> >> This
>> >>
>> >>>>would be a ground breaking product. Even though Tascam tried it, their
>> >>
>> >> SX-1
>> >>
>> >>>>was cool, but was too limited. Actualy, the SA-1 was a Ensoniq/EMU
>product
>> >>>>first, then made it's was over to Tascam..I digress..
>> >>>>I still hoping that the Yamaha/Steinberg marrige would yield a very
>cool
>> >>>>DM2000 metts Nuendo or 02R-96 meets Cubase sx . All in one units..
>> >>>>
>> >>>>As things stands now in our current state of Personal computers based
>> >>
>> >>
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| Re: To RAID or not to RAID for PARIS... Now is the question!!! Please help! [message #62001 is a reply to message #61993] |
Thu, 29 December 2005 08:44 |
Suad
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t;>
>> >>>>I would not upgrade for at leat 3-4 years. I digress again ..:) Sorry.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Again, calling on all new and current manufactures..You a vast market
>> >>
>> >> of
>> >>
>> >>>>Pro users and studios that needs more juice and pro features than
your
>> >>
>> >> current
>> >>
>> >>>>offereing, but we don;t want to spend 20k for it.. Soemthing along
say
>> >>
>> >> 3-15k
>> >>
>> >>>>would do it..
>> >>>>Okay end of rant..LaMont
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>
>Hey Chris,
Great Post :)..But, you have to agree that although PT HD/Mix systems are
expensive, they deliver big time, with great i/o flexibility to integrate
hardware. If you purchase or build the spec'd digi ssytem, then you are assured
maximun results. But, you'll pay for it $$$$$ :)
LaMont
"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
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>It's already been said in other responses which I agree with. I don't think
>DSP DAWs are nescesary anymore, and I don't think it makes sense to try
to
>develop a competeing system to PT. Digi keeps the model going to keep thier
>stranglehold on a closed system that needs to be completely overhauled (i.e.,
>repurchased) every 4-5 years. I don't think that there is anything inherently
>pro about DSP DAWs other than the perception. I agree that the cost of
owning
>a native system can approach a PT rig, but I think that is a matter of paying
>900% more to get a 2% performance increase. Gearsluttery is a bad disease
>IMHO that get's in the way of truly getting the most out of what you already
>have. And I still catch bad bouts of it myself ;-)
>
>-Chris
>
>"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Good Points Chris:) Still, my initial point was concerning about the lack
>>of mid-level pro D
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| Re: To RAID or not to RAID for PARIS... Now is the question!!! Please help! [message #62065 is a reply to message #61999] |
Thu, 29 December 2005 23:15 |
Deej [1]
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>>>>
>>>>Turn off the FX.
>>>>
>>>>DC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>A friend of mine needs a dirt cheap digital piano. Of course it needs
>>to
>>>>>sound and feel fantastic. ;oP
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm looking even cheaper than things like Roland RD-150's and stuff.
>I
>>>see
>>>>>Casio make some hammer action stuff now. Yes yes I know, it's a Casio,
>>>but
>>>>>surely they must have improved haven't they? ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm hoping someone here has come across some magical gem in the more
>consumer
>>>>>price ranged keyboards which happens to sound great and have some half
>>>decent
>>>>>action. Sound is probably more important than action in this case.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>Kim.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Thanks for the tips guys I'll look into both of those cards. There is one
more thing I would like to try. Would someone care to send me a copy of the
original Paris ASIO driver (I think it's around 29kb in size)? I was going
to try what Gene Lennon suggested, but my backup copy is nowhere to be
found.
Thanks for everything,
Edric
Martin Harrington <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:43c9ecf5$1@linux...
> Try the EMU 0404
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "Edric" <seboriah@juno.com> wrote in message news:43c9c587@linux...
> > Thanks for the replies.
> > Gene, Actually my problem is getting Paris hardware to show up in the
> > Wavelab Preferences dialog box. I'll give what you said a try,
> > nevertheless.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Tonehouse,
> > In my experience in the past, you do not have to have Paris running for
> > Wavelab to use the MEC outputs. In fact, I don't think can use both
> > applications running at the same time.
> >
> > Lamont,
> > I agree with you about just throwing in the towel and buying another
card.
> > To be honest, the only reason I'm trying to get Paris to work with
Wavelab
> > again is to save myself a few bucks and not buy another card.
> >
> > Does anyone have any suggestions what would be a good quality (and
> > low-cost,
> > if that exists anywhere) soundcard with converters on par with the Paris
> > converters?
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Edric
> > Edric <seboriah@juno.com> wrote in message news:43c883d6@linux...
> >> Hello folks,
> >> I'm driving myself crazy trying to get Wavelab 4.0 to recognize the
Paris
> >> hardware in Win98se and have yet to succeed. As I mentioned in a post
> >> earlier this week, at one time, I was using Paris to monitor Wavelab
> >> using
> >> the updated ASIO drivers (the 40 kb one, not the later 64kb one), but
not
> >> now. My memory fails me as to when I first started having problems and
I
> >> have tried to undo everything that may have contributed to the lack of
> >> communication between the two programs.
> >>
> >> I noticed in my Multimedia Properties/Devices/Midi Devices and
> >> Instruments
> >> Tab, that Paris Midi OUT states "Status: Driver is enabled but inactive
> > due
> >> to an unknown problem"
> >>
> >> Could this be the problem with Wavelab's inability to to see the Paris
> >> hardware?
> >>
> >> Like I said, it once worked. And short of file corruption/replacement
or
> >> a
> >> hardware malfunction, I am clueless as to what could be the cause. I
> >> guess
> >> it's time to start looking at other soundcards for Wavelab stuff.
> >> Thanks for any input,
> >> Edric
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>Yeh fair enough.
I've found the Casio CDP-100 which looks like a contender also. More expensive,
but it has hammer action and sounds like it might actually be starting to
approach decent sounding, though there are few net reviews. On the down side
on the best sound it has only 16 note polyphony.
Anyhow, I'll see how I go... the proof is in the playing...
Cheers,
Kim.
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| Re: To RAID or not to RAID for PARIS... Now is the question!!! Please help! [message #62068 is a reply to message #62066] |
Fri, 30 December 2005 00:05 |
Martin Harrington
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ATA2 200GB for storageetc.. The best case scenario is Paris
will sometimes play, but will not record. Sometimes it comes up with the
error "cant initialize the engine". Need some help form you Paris guru's.
The pc works great with all other programs, so it is defintely Paris. There
is no firewall, internet, antivirus running or installed. This is solely
for audio.I saw a clinic on this about 10 years ago. At that time there were 2 in existence, and the price was 100k each.
I wonder what they are priced at now..
Cheers,
TC
steve the artguy wrote:
> guys-
>
> a friend sent me this link. Says he just met a guy who bought a new Les Paul
> just to have one of these. Check it out.
>
> ttp://transperformance.com/index2.htm
>
> -steveI guess I'm outnumbered in the Nuendo sucks or not debate.
Interesting example of when pro gear and reputation isn't all it's cracked
up to be:
I got a voiceover from a top post house in my area to use to create and ad
for a client. I don't know what they use, but PT would be the obvious
guess.
The voiceover was just 30 minutes of Q&A with an expert, logged for later
use - the raw files from the studio were preprocessed - heavily over
compressed with no apparent attempt to address heavy sibilance before
compressing the crap out of it. Their goal is probably to produce quick and
low cost, so they have a "preset" chain for audio, and charge $200/hr for it
- no customization, just track it, burn it and send you on your way. Their
rates are high, but project costs are low - you do the math, it's the
Walmart approach to production.
There was little I could do to remove the sibilance without audibly
degrading the mids balance, and reaching diminishing returns very quickly,
but I did make it sound better. Every voice over I've worked on, and heard
from them sounds the same - sibilant, even in my car, from CD or on-air.
The moral of the story - a lot of people call themselves pro, have pro gear,
and hold a lion's share of their market to back it up, but that doesn't mean
the product is any better for it.
I would rather be good using less than perfect gear to create a superior
product than have the best, most recent and advanced gear money can buy and
not know what the heck I'm doing. Gear lust and aspiring for sonic nirvana
is all well and good,
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Fri, 30 December 2005 01:01 |
Suad
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but I had to put a limit on it and make it work for
me, rather than against me. Now I'm just trying to make a living creating a
great product with what I have rather than worrying about how spending
$30,000 more would make my audio sound 1% wider, or the top end 2% silkier
when the client is going to cram it down an FM band with 10:1 or higher
compression, or rip it to a 128k or lower mp3, cutting off every sonic
nicety I slaved over and invested thousands of $$ to get.
I'm off. Later.
Dedric
On 1/16/06 12:10 AM, in article 43cb38ba$1@linux, "Deej" <yiruyfh@hgdgr.not>
wrote:
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> La Mont,
>
> I started noticing something sort of mushy in SX in the low end at around
> 24 tracks. It could very well be that I just don't know how to mix on a native
> system though. Fire it over lightpipe into the Paris mixer and it gets big
> again. I'm still summing in Paris and actually setting levels and fader/FX
> automation on both DAWs. I'm getting basic fader moves done in SX and then
> tweaking them in Paris. It's pretty wild to watch
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| Re: To RAID or not to RAID for PARIS... Now is the question!!! Please help! [message #62079 is a reply to message #62068] |
Fri, 30 December 2005 07:01 |
Deej [1]
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>> more muscle than you probably need. Available now and they'll continue
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to work after the Intel transition.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys, Some thoughts:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone noticed that since our beloved Paris DAW($2700list)there
>>>> has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pro DAW for under 10k??? Why??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know we have the Cubases ($499) Nuendo's ($1,500), Logic(1k),
> DP(699)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sonar($400). There are all very good naitive systems that will yield
>>>>> pro
>>>>>>>>> results. However, I can't belive thatthere is not one manufacture
>> other
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Digidesign that want's to producer a DSP based DAW?? It's almost
>> 6 years
>>>>>>>>> since the plug was pulled on Paris! Yes, I did not forget about
>>>>>>>>> Soundscape..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My Point in this post is to bring to ligh that Paris was a product
>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> served
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the "Middle ground" studio. Now, looking back, it's price point
> was
>>>> revolutionary.
>>>>>>>>> AND That's the point..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Today, if you're shelling out at least 10k for a PT HD system, your
>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> other alternative is do a naitive system..Again, I'm not saying
> that
>>>>> naitive's
>>>>>>>>> are bad, but we all know that there's nothing like a cool DSP
>>>>>>>>> DAW..Even
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> more,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it's a knwon fact that, if you wew to build your naitive system
> up
>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pro
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> standards (AD/DA converters,mixer,DSP FX cards) you'd actually come
>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>&g
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