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| To add fuel to the fire [message #78260] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 14:51  |
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| Re: To add fuel to the fire [message #78266 is a reply to message #78263] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 16:08  |
excelav
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rop out of the clips one bit or the duct tape! I have 2 fractured baskets
already. However the D6 holds it's own pretty good on the floor tom, still
again though not quite the clearity of the 421s. I have never used 57s on
the toms, just the snare but I rented one of my boards out to a concert last
year and the guy mic'd up everything with 57's. It was killer! I think it
was more his engineering ability shining there though... I have never heared
57s on all to include the Bass drum sound so good anywhere else.
Steve not the art guy
"rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Everyone still using 57's and or 421's for toms? Just checking to see
if
>anyone is using something other than those for pop/rock and liking it...
>
>Thanks again!ignore this test
(I never see my posts show up here anymore.. strange)
TCI wouldn't say "no artifacts" but the results are really
good... but I doubt if I would use it to re-pitch or re-time
a song on an album... just individual tracks. The guy
giving the demo at NAMM turned a regular 4 on the floor tune
into a shuffle with it. If you wanted to use it for
realigning drum tracks ala Beat Detective, the Studio
version would work best.
David.
Tom Bruhl wrote:
> David,
> Wow! So no artifacts across a whole mix? Can you alter speed
> without altering pitch? That's the ticket for me.
>
> So for effecting vocal channels and possibly a whole mix for tempo
> with use in Paris and Cubase which version would you suggest?
> I guess I only need one channel (stereo) if it has to process offline
> all the time.
> Am I right?
>
> Sounds like studio is the full mix version that I'd want huh?
> Thanks for the info.
> Tom
>
>
> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com <mailto:askme@nospam.com>> wrote in
> message news:45c7bfd2$1@linux...
> It really depends on what you are using it for. The plugin has all
> the standard features, whereas the "essential" and "uno" versions only
> offer manual pitch correction. The Cre8 version is good if you want
> to make backing vocal tracks from a lead vocal, without having to have
> several plugins open at one time. The Studio version is just that, a
> fully featured recording and editing package. The quality is the same
> regardless of the version. The one thing that Studio does that the
> others don't do is manipulating polyphonic files, like guitars, keys,
> or even entire mixes. The time manipulation capabilities on a full
> mix is nothing short of amazing.
>
> For most "tuning" uses, the plugin works great.
>
> David.
>
> Tom Bruhl wrote:
> > David,
> > So there's no real-time automatic mode? Maybe standalone on my
> Paris comp
> > is the way to go then. A friend of mine has the full blown version
> > around here.
> > I'll have to get a demo from him. He loves it with Logic.
> >
> > Is the polyphonic version as good quality as it gets? Worth the
> extra cash?
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com <mailto:askme@nospam.com>
> <mailto:askme@nospam.com>> wrote in
> > message news:
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| Re: To add fuel to the fire [message #78268 is a reply to message #78267] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 15:36 |
Jamie K
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project
> > (I guess
> > > DX does
> > > >> not support this). Now that it is VST, they
> are able to
> > > include this.
> > > >> Previously, you would have to work from the
> exact
> > same point
> > > >> everytime... which is why they generally recommend
> > you work
> > > on one
> > > >> line at a time, and render each line when you have
> > finished
> > > tuning.
> > > >> With version 5, you can work on any point in
> the time
> > line
> > > with no
> > > >> troubles. That being said, Melodyne kicks the
> snot
> > out of
> > > Autotune!!
> > > >>
> > > >> David.
> > > >>
> > > >> Chris Ludwig wrote:
> > > >> > Haven't tried it but I think only the
> newest VST
> > version of
> > > >> autotune has
> > > >> > a functional graphical mode.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Chris
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Don Nafe wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Hi guys
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Cubase newbie here
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> just wondering if there's a trick to using
> > graphical mode in
> > > >> >> Cubase...I tried running it on a simple
> vocal track
> > > staring at
> > > >> "0" and
> > > >> >> I see the graph showing up after the vocals
> > > start...about a 1/2
> > > >> second
> > > >> >> or so.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Am I missing something here?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> DOn
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> > > >> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
> > >Oh, they show up... we just choose not to respond to them... ;-)
David.
TC wrote:
> ignore this test
>
> (I never see my posts show up here anymore.. strange)
>
> TCI new producer moved into town recently. He's had me play on several projects
at his studio. He always uses 57's on all the toms and they sound real good.
Rod
"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
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>I used the 421's and still have them, but started using these Audix D-2s
>on the high toms of my Yamaha Recording Customs, and the Audix D-6 on the
>low tom. There is no comparison on the high toms, the 421s hands down sound
>better, I'm just too lazy to change them back. But I don't miss having the
>mic drop out of the clips one bit or the duct tape! I have 2 fractured baskets
>already. However the D6 holds it's own pretty good on the floor tom, still
>again though not quite the clearity of the 421s. I have never used 57s on
>the toms, just the snare but I rented one of my boards out to a concert
last
>year and the guy mic'd up everything with 57's. It was killer! I think it
>was more his engineering ability shining there though... I have never heared
>57s on all to include the Bass drum sound so good anywhere else.
>Steve not the art guy
>
>"rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Everyone still using 57's and or 421's for toms? Just checking to see
>if
>>anyone is using something other than those for p
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| Re: To add fuel to the fire [message #78269 is a reply to message #78268] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 16:33 |
excelav
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op/rock and liking it...
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>>Thanks again!
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Oh it does that too?!!! That sounds even better!
Cool stuff. I'll be checking it out.
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message =
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I wouldn't say "no artifacts" but the results are really=20
good... but I doubt if I would use it to re-pitch or re-time=20
a song on an album... just individual tracks. The guy=20
giving the demo at NAMM turned a regular 4 on the floor tune=20
into a shuffle with it. If you wanted to use it for=20
realigning drum tracks ala Beat Detective, the Studio=20
version would work best.
David.
Tom Bruhl wrote:
> David,
> Wow! So no artifacts across a whole mix? Can you alter speed
> without altering pitch? That's the ticket for me.
> =20
> So for effecting vocal channels and possibly a whole mix for tempo
> with use in Paris and Cubase which version would you suggest?
> I guess I only need one channel (stereo) if it has to process =
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> all the time.
> Am I right?
> =20
> Sounds like studio is the full mix version that I'd want huh?
> Thanks for the info.
> Tom
> =20
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> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com <mailto:askme@nospam.com>> wrote in
> message news:45c7bfd2$1@linux...
> It really depends on what you are using it for. The plugin has =
all
> the standard features, whereas the "essential" and "uno" =
versions only
> offer manual pitch correction. The Cre8 version is good if you =
want
> to make backing vocal tracks from a lead vocal, without having =
to have
> several plugins open at one time. The Studio version is just =
that, a
> fully featured recording and editing package. The quality is =
the same
> regardless of the version. The one thing that Studio does that =
the
> others don't do is manipulating polyphonic files, like guitars, =
keys,
> or even entire mixes. The time manipulation capabilities on a =
full
> mix is nothing short of amazing.
>=20
> For most "tuning" uses, the plugin works great.
>=20
> David.
>=20
> Tom Bruhl wrote:
> > David,
> > So there's no real-time automatic mode? Maybe standalone on =
my
> Paris comp
> > is the way to go then. A friend of mine has the full blown =
version
> > around here.
> > I'll have to get a demo from him. He loves it with Logic.
> >=20
> > Is the polyphonic version as good quality as it gets? Worth =
the
> extra cash?
> > Tom
> >=20
> >=20
> >
> > "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com <mailto:askme@nospam.com>
> <mailto:askme@nospam.com>> wrote in
> > message news:45c7b357@linux...
> > Just to explain... the Melodyne plugin has to "record" =
the
> track from
> > the host first... in real time. Then you can manipulate =
the
> sound
> > during playback. One issue here... if you try to go back =
to
> the track
> > (not that you need to) and make additional edits, these =
edits
> will
> > have to be recorded into Melodyne again. You would lose =
what
> work you
> > have already done. Rule of thumb is to make sure your =
edits are
> > finished, then "polish" with the Melodyne plug.
> >
> > David.
> >
> > Tom Bruhl wrote:
> > > Okay then via spdf to Cubase and back then? Realtime =
in auto
> > mode anyway?
> > > I guess I'll have to render and drag over to Cubase =
for
> processing
> > > otherwise huh?
> > > I think I need another MEC now that I think of it. =
Good
> for another
> > > ADAT and SPDF
> > > with Paris/XP. I'll have to lose the last ADAT XT 20 =
for the
> > rack space...
> > > Maybe 1.3 will do...
> > >
> > > I really like realtime everything.
> > > Poor old analog me
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mark McCurdy" <mark@mccurdy.net
> <mailto:mark@mccurdy.net<
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| Re: To add fuel to the fire [message #78291 is a reply to message #78269] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 21:40 |
Aaron Allen
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>be raspy. Even my E251C with its smooth/airy high end doesn't
>really sound all that great through the Red Series.
>
>>I'm in need of at least 4 pres rite now and I already have a >sytek, which
>I love by the way.
>
>What do you need them FOR...? That might be helpful in
>determining what kind(s) you should go with. Daking has a
>4-channel box that's like $1,800 - haven't tried it, though, but
>I hear good things about his stuff. Do you need four identical
>pres or or just need four more channels total? Maybe you'd be
>better of going for 2 two-channel pres of different types for
>more coloring options.
>
>Neil
>
>You could also look at getting an API lunchbox and adding 500 series pres as needed, then you are only paying for one power supply, and boy is it portable.
I quite like mine with 2 512c's.
Cheers,
TC
Robert wrote:
> Anyone have/use one of these?
> Was also looking at the Mackie Onyx.
>
> Thanks
> Rob
>
>Thanks Neil, I've got a high profile Bluegrass project coming up with Sammy
Shelor from Lonesome River Band on banjo and I need a few more acc
instrument and vocal pre channels.
Rob
>
> What do you need them FOR...? That might be helpful in
> determining what kind(s) you should go with. Daking has a
> 4-channel box that's like $1,800 - haven't tried it, though, but
> I hear good things about his stuff. Do you need four identical
> pres or or just need four more channels total? Maybe you'd be
> better of going for 2 two-channel pres of different types for
> more coloring options.
>
> Neil
>
>Well there are times (many by the way) when I try to open a DX plugin and
then nothing can be done until I push alt+del and stop Paris running.
The dx window stays openn and the cursor works but no dx plugin can be selected
and the ok button and cancel although they can be lit there is no action
either selecting or cancelling.
Very annoying thing !
Any workaround ?
Regards,
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Okay Todd, err, Thad! Yer on, pizza face!!
Here's my pic so you can see recognize me!
It's noogie time....
DC
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>All you have to do is make it to Danbury, CT and give it a try!
>
>"DC" <dc@toddandlisa.com> wrote:
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>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey all,
>>>
>>>If any of you a) enjoy my talking nonsense or b) really want to punch
me
>>>in the face, you have a chance to do just that in person tonight.
>>
>>
>>How about a nice NOOGIE!!
>>
>>heh heh
>>
>>DC
>>
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| Re: To add fuel to the fire [message #78343 is a reply to message #78333] |
Sun, 14 January 2007 11:31 |
Deej [4]
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McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>Was the NG down this morning and last night?
>>>
>>>I'm wondering if this is why?
>>>
>>>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070206/D8N4H5L80.html
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>
>I have a 428 with the Dig card... love it. I can get great
results with many sources, and the conversion on the Dig
card is excellent. Big bang for the buck. Not colored by
any means... just a nice clean pre.
David.
Robert wrote:
> Anyone have/use one of these?
> Was also looking at the Mackie Onyx.
>
> Thanks
> Rob
>
>If you do any real time rendering, you can also loop the in
and out to render 8 tracks at a time.
David.
Ed wrote:
> Hi all. I am wondering what different uses everyone is using with their ADAT
> card (try not to get to technical). I bought one a while back to interface
> with a ADAT tape machine for backup, but never acquired one. I know there
> are a limited amount of mixers out there (with in price reason) that have
> a ADAT out so you could easily bring in 8 tracks from a mixer via the ADAT
> card. Are you people finding other uses. I am not a ADAT expert, but isn't
> the lightpipe 8in AND 8out via the lightpipe ADAT card? Anyway, if i don't
> find some use for this thing, I may consider to let go of it... Just trying
> to get some ideas other than traditional ADAT card to ADAT tape.
>
> Ed
>DJ is a first class dude... I would never question a deal
with him at all... period.
David.
Gantt Kushner wrote:
> Doug sent my 8-in card and THEN told me how much to send him. The card arrived
> today, the check is about to go in the mail.
>
> Thanks, Deej! Good luck w/ the new rig...
>
> GanttThanks Dave,
Having posted pictures here of my machine room, I'm wondering how anyone
could trust someone with sucha twisted mind.
;o)
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:45c94d4b$1@linux...
> DJ is a first class dude... I would never question a deal with him at
> all... period.
>
> David.
>
> Gantt Kushner wrote:
>
>> Doug sent my 8-in card and THEN told me how much to send him. The card
>> arrived
>> today, the check is about to go in the mail.
>>
>> Thanks, Deej! Good luck w/ the new rig...
>>
>> GanttDo these puppies behave any differently from IDE drives in relation to WinXP
installations, or perhaps Paris DAWs? Got a friend having some weird
troubles....
Hope all is well here in Paris land.
JimmyNot that I've ever seen man, FWIW.
AA
"Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:45c95b16@linux...
> Do these puppies behave any differently from IDE drives in relation to
> WinXP
> installations, or perhaps Paris DAWs? Got a friend having some weird
> troubles....
>
>
> Hope all is well here in Paris land.
>
> Jimmy
>
>Music industry stats.
http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?nd mViewId=news_view&newsId=20070104005813&newsLang=en
By genre, I'm surprised that Metal sold more than RAP. In fact, I'm surprised
that Rock is about three times bigger than RAP. You'd never know it by watching
MTV or by watching any music award shows. You'd think nothing is bigger
than RAP.
I was also surprised that the band No Doubt wasn't listed in the top ten
albums from 1991-2006. I read and was told by Matt Wilder and Tony Ferguson
(Interscope Records) that Tragic Kingdom sold around 16 million records and
set sales records???
http://www.taxi.com/faq/ar/ferguson.html
JamesHey, anyone with the guts to post them in the first
place.... ;-)
David.
DJ wrote:
> Thanks Dave,
>
> Having posted pictures here of my machine room, I'm wondering how anyone
> could trust someone with sucha twisted mind.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:45c94d4b$1@linux...
>
>>DJ is a first class dude... I would never question a deal with him at
>>all... period.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Doug sent my 8-in card and THEN told me how much to send him. The card
>>>arrived
>>>today, the check is about to go in the mail.
>>>
>>>Thanks, Deej! Good luck w/ the new rig...
>>>
>>>Gantt
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>
>I ran two SATA Raptors in RAID0 array for years on my Paris rig with no
problems.
DJ
"Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:45c95b16@linux...
> Do these puppies behave any differently from IDE drives in relation to
> WinXP
> installations, or perhaps Paris DAWs? Got a friend having some weird
> troubles....
>
>
> Hope all is well here in Paris land.
>
> Jimmy
>
>Err, I agree with your comments...
....I'm surprised you neglected however to express some surprise at the line
"(a) Rock was a new genre in 2006."...
....err, so they missed it for what, 50 years?
Cheers,
Kim.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Music industry stats.
>
> http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?nd mViewId=news_view&newsId=20070104005813&newsLang=en
>
>By genre, I'm surprised that Metal sold more than RAP. In fact, I'm surprised
>that Rock is about three times bigger than RAP. You'd never know it by
watching
>MTV or by watching any music award shows. You'd think nothing is bigger
>than RAP.
>
>I was also surprised that the band No Doubt wasn't listed in the top ten
>albums from 1991-2006. I read and was told by Matt Wilder and Tony Ferguson
>(Interscope Records) that Tragic Kingdom sold around 16 million records
and
>set sales records???
>
>http://www.taxi.com/faq/ar/ferguson.html
>
>JamesLOL!!!!............the sooner RAP evolves into something else entirely, the
sooner I will start listening to mainstream media music programming. I'm
just so sick of it. I got pretty sick of punk and grunge as well but those
had a much shorter run/quicker evolution into something more musically
interesting. I know RAP has evolved some as well, but not really for the
better, IMHO.
DJ
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45c97237$1@linux...
>
>
> Err, I agree with your comments...
>
> ...I'm surprised you neglected however to express some surprise at the
> line
> "(a) Rock was a new genre in 2006."...
>
> ...err, so they missed it for what, 50 years?
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Music industry stats.
>>
>> http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?nd mViewId=news_view&newsId=20070104005813&newsLang=en
>>
>>By genre, I'm surprised that Metal sold more than RAP. In fact, I'm
>>surprised
>>that Rock is about three times bigger than RAP. You'd never know it by
> watching
>>MTV or by watching any music award shows. You'd think nothing is bigger
>>than RAP.
>>
>>I was also surprised that the band No Doubt wasn't listed in the top ten
>>albums from 1991-2006. I read and was told by Matt Wilder and Tony
>>Ferguson
>>(Interscope Records) that Tragic Kingdom sold around 16 million records
> and
>>set sales records???
>>
>>http://www.taxi.com/faq/ar/ferguson.html
>>
>>James
>RAP... sucks...
R&B... sucks...
Rock doesn't suck, but I'm kinda over it...
....perhaps I'm over music and should try my luck as a juggler or something.
;o)
Cheers,
kim.
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>LOL!!!!............the sooner RAP evolves into something else entirely,
the
>sooner I will start listening to mainstream media music programming. I'm
>just so sick of it. I got pretty sick of punk and grunge as well but those
>had a much shorter run/quicker evolution into something more musically
>interesting. I know RAP has evolved some as well, but not really for the
>better, IMHO.
>
>DJ
>
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45c97237$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Err, I agree with your comments...
>>
>> ...I'm surprised you neglected however to express some surprise at the
>> line
>> "(a) Rock was a new genre in 2006."...
>>
>> ...err, so they missed it for what, 50 years?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Music industry stats.
>>>
>>> http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?nd mViewId=news_view&newsId=20070104005813&newsLang=en
>>>
>>>By genre, I'm surprised that Metal sold more than RAP. In fact, I'm
>>>surprised
>>>that Rock is about three times bigger than RAP.
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You'd never know it by
>> watching
>>>MTV or by watching any music award shows. You'd think nothing is bigger
>>>than RAP.
>>>
>>>I was also surprised that the band No Doubt wasn't listed in the top ten
>>>albums from 1991-2006. I read and was told by Matt Wilder and Tony
>>>Ferguson
>>>(Interscope Records) that Tragic Kingdom sold around 16 million records
>> and
>>>set sales records???
>>>
>>>http://www.taxi.com/faq/ar/ferguson.html
>>>
>>>James
>>
>
>Retirement
If you had purchased $1,000.00 of Nortel stock one year ago, it would now
be worth $49.00.
With Enron, you would have had $16.50 left of the original $1,000.00.
With WorldCom, you would have had less than $5.00 left.
With Lucent, you would have $3.50 left of the original $1,000.00.
But, if you had purchased $1,000.00 worth of beer one year ago, drank all
the beer, then turned in the cans for the aluminum recycling REFUND you would
have had $214.00.
Based on the above, the best current investment advice is to drink heavily
and recycle.
It's called the 401-Keg Plan."Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Rock doesn't suck, but I'm kinda over it...
Get the new Who disc. Endless Wire
Listen to it a couple of times. It takes some warming up to, but it is
something really special. You can't have a new Beatles disc in 2007,
but you can have a real Who record that sounds like today.
DC"DC" <dc@spammersinlondon.com> wrote:
Shall do. The Who are up there...
Cheers,
Kim.
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Rock doesn't suck, but I'm kinda over it...
>
>Get the new Who disc. Endless Wire
>
>Listen to it a couple of times. It takes some warming up to, but it is
>something really special. You can't have a new Beatles disc in 2007,
>but you can have a real Who record that sounds like today.
>
>DC
>You guys get 21c to the dollar for a recycling refund?
In most of Australia there's no such thing. South Australia offers 5c a can/bottle.
That's maybe a 3% refund vs your 21%...
Cheers,
Kim.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Retirement
>
>
>
>
>If you had purchased $1,000.00 of Nortel stock one year ago, it would now
>be worth $49.00.
>With Enron, you would have had $16.50 left of the original $1,000.00.
>With WorldCom, you would have had less than $5.00 left.
>With Lucent, you would have $3.50 left of the original $1,000.00.
>But, if you had purchased $1,000.00 worth of beer one year ago, drank all
>the beer, then turned in the cans for the aluminum recycling REFUND you
would
>have had $214.00.
>Based on the above, the best current investment advice is to drink heavily
>and recycle.
>It's called the 401-Keg Plan.http://www.modernplugins.in-tw.com/
JamesA couple more for you PC guys.
http://www.simulanalog.org/guitarsuite.htm
http://www.otiumfx.com/basslane.php
James
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.modernplugins.in-tw.com/
>
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DJ is an awesome person.
He also sent me an adat card without getting money first !
Dear DJ I will send them in a couple of days...
Thanks again !
Dimitrios
ps: Do you still have that handicapped MEC ?
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>Hey, anyone with the guts to post them in the first
>place.... ;-)
>
>David.
>
>DJ wrote:
>> Thanks Dave,
>>
>> Having posted pictures here of my machine room, I'm wondering how anyone
>> could trust someone with sucha twisted mind.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
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>>
>>>DJ is a first class dude... I would never question a deal with him at
>>>all... period.
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Doug sent my 8-in card and THEN told me how much to send him. The card
>>>>arrived
>>>>today, the check is about to go in the mail.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks, Deej! Good luck w/ the new rig...
>>>>
>>>>Gantt
>>
>>
>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
I'm not 100% sold that this is genuine, that Apple would really open up iPods
to use any software in the world to load and unload music, but if I could
load .ogg files onto a Nano from my Debian laptop I would buy one in a second.
.flac support would really, really be nice too.
But the real point here, I think, is that Apple knows it owns the portable
device market now and they're not terribly happy with the deals they struck
with the media cartels to make that market. Legitimate complaint in many
ways, 'Hey fellas, before us you were stuck flogging CDs nobody wanted to
buy anymore, and we dug the ditches to get you out of that mess. But people
don't like the DRM and we think we can sell a little more now that you guys
aren't allergic to the term 'download.''
But Apple is in many ways a victim of their own success. Having made the
iPod the market dominant portable player, everyone else says (almost certainly
incorrectly), 'Hey, let's make our own brilliant little player for [insert
type of media that cartel wants to flog] and keep from paying Estebahn Jobs
his vig.' And your ISP will want their ounce of flesh, and everyone who thinks
they're getting screwed in the deal will try to find some DMCA reason to
sue everyone else, etc. and so forth.
So I think the Jobs piece is good, though a bit disingenuous. And as I said,
when I can load OGG/FLAC to my iPod from my linux boxes I'd love to have
one.
TCBHi Dimitrios,
I do have the MEC, but it might cost more to ship to Greece than it is
worth.
;o)
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:45c9e882$1@linux...
>
> I second,third... that.
> DJ is an awesome person.
> He also sent me an adat card without getting money first !
> Dear DJ I will send them in a couple of days...
> Thanks again !
> Dimitrios
> ps: Do you still have that handicapped MEC ?
>
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>Hey, anyone with the guts to post them in the first
>>place.... ;-)
>>
>>David.
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>> Thanks Dave,
>>>
>>> Having posted pictures here of my machine room, I'm wondering how anyone
>
>>> could trust someone with sucha twisted mind.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:45c94d4b$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>DJ is a first class dude... I would never question a deal with him at
>
>>>>all... period.
>>>>
>>>>David.
>>>>
>>>>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Doug sent my 8-in card and THEN told me how much to send him. The card
>
>>>>>arrived
>>>>>today, the check is about to go in the mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks, Deej! Good luck w/ the new rig...
>>>>>
>>>>>Gantt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>You have to buy Vista. heheI know one thing, we will switch over entirely to MAC before we
install that overbloated piece of crap on any of our audio machines....
David.
John wrote:
> You have to buy Vista. heheI totally agree. DJ rocks.
Small problem, however. With my 8-in card, he accidentally (I assume)
packed an ADAT front plate. Can I assume someone who is receiving an
ADAT card from DJ found an 8-in faceplate in kind? Please contact me
and we can arrange a swap.
I am posting this here because DJ's email is getting kicked back to
me. Not a slam here - I can understand how, in the madness of
disassembling and packing all your gear up a switch was made.
Thanks.
- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, MarylandNo way... really? How careless... I take back my comment... ;-)
David.
Paul Artola wrote:
> I totally agree. DJ rocks.
>
> Small problem, however. With my 8-in card, he accidentally (I assume)
> packed an ADAT front plate. Can I assume someone who is receiving an
> ADAT card from DJ found an 8-in faceplate in kind? Please contact me
> and we can arrange a swap.
>
> I am posting this here because DJ's email is getting kicked back to
> me. Not a slam here - I can understand how, in the madness of
> disassembling and packing all your gear up a switch was made.
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Paul Artola
> Ellicott City, Maryland
>
>YIKES!!!!...man, I'm sorry about that Paul......and apologies to whoever
bought an ADAT card and ends up with Pauls A8iT front plate. I'll cover the
shipping for both parties to get this straightened out and I'll send out
some e-mails to everyone who bought these and we'll get this resolved.
;o)
"Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:476ks2p61lqmsp94ld0l6o6a3ar3tej23e@4ax.com...
>I totally agree. DJ rocks.
>
> Small problem, however. With my 8-in card, he accidentally (I assume)
> packed an ADAT front plate. Can I assume someone who is receiving an
> ADAT card from DJ found an 8-in faceplate in kind? Please contact me
> and we can arrange a swap.
>
> I am posting this here because DJ's email is getting kicked back to
> me. Not a slam here - I can understand how, in the madness of
> disassembling and packing all your gear up a switch was made.
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Paul Artola
> Ellicott City, Maryland
>
>I suck
;o(
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:45ca2141$1@linux...
> No way... really? How careless... I take back my comment... ;-)
>
> David.
>
> Paul Artola wrote:
>> I totally agree. DJ rocks.
>>
>> Small problem, however. With my 8-in card, he accidentally (I assume)
>> packed an ADAT front plate. Can I assume someone who is receiving an
>> ADAT card from DJ found an 8-in faceplate in kind? Please contact me
>> and we can arrange a swap.
>>
>> I am posting this here because DJ's email is getting kicked back to
>> me. Not a slam here - I can understand how, in the madness of
>> disassembling and packing all your gear up a switch was made.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> - Paul Artola
>> Ellicott City, Maryland
>>Hi DJ,
Can you please check this USPS airmail (NOT EXPRESS !!)
Thanks,
Dimitrios
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Hi Dimitrios,
>
>I do have the MEC, but it might cost more to ship to Greece than it is
>worth.
>
>;o)
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:45c9e882$1@linux...
>>
>> I second,third... that.
>> DJ is an awesome person.
>> He also sent me an adat card without getting money first !
>> Dear DJ I will send them in a couple of days...
>> Thanks again !
>> Dimitrios
>> ps: Do you still have that handicapped MEC ?
>>
>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>Hey, anyone with the guts to post them in the first
>>>place.... ;-)
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>DJ wrote:
>>>> Thanks Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Having posted pictures here of my machine room, I'm wondering how anyone
>>
>>>> could trust someone with sucha twisted mind.
>>>>
>>&
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Sun, 14 January 2007 12:30 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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eate the iTunes music
store, and develop the iPod? It wasn't free, and the record companies couldn't
do it by them selves, or they would have. What did the advertising cost
Apple? Do you think the record industry help Apple with any of the cost?
The answer is NO! They went it alone. Apple helped turn the record industry
around.
>
>of COURSE Jobs would like to see no DRM - what does he have to
>lose by that? Absolutely nothing; especially since he's not
>investing any money in the front-end of making the music itself.
>
>Neil
Apple could, and would make more money with the DRM in place. they are open
to doing something different, and opening up. what more do you want? What
they have in place is not true DRM. You can have multiple copies. The industry
should thank god for Apple!
JamesI don't know what Endless Wire is, but I'm guessing by this response it's
a geezer rock platter. Assuming that's correct, what new sonic ground is
it breaking? I didn't say every hip hop song has some amazing message or
incredible songwriting, I said their pushing sonic boundaries and envelopes
in a way that geezer rock is not, esp the ones listening to the Jamaicans
who are really on a roll. So what is so great sound wise about Endless Wire?
"DC" <dc@spammersinCT.org> wrote:
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>>People might not like the content, but from a sonic standpoint it's about
>>1000x more interesting that whatever geezer rock retread platter was just
>>released.
>
>
>Endless Wire is great, vital, and new music made by geezers,
>not "geezer rock".
>
>have you heard it?
>
>
>How was your NOOGIE btw?
>
>DC
>
>I purchased the melodyne plug (loyalty upgrade) today. This thing is great. It streamlines the whole process of tuning a vocal track in your daw. Highly recommended. Comes as a vst/au/rtas bundle.
Second thing I tried was the (TDM only) Crane Song Phoenix plugin. This is well worth checking out if you mix with PT. It adds some of the qualities back in the sound that Paris exhibits.
Cheers,
TCHi Thad,
I'm not exactly sure what pushing sonic boundries means after reading this.
Is it the lack of sonic cliche so to speak? I'm asking because normally
I understand what you are saying, or at least think I do.
Thanks
Chuck
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I don't know what Endless Wire is, but I'm guessing by this response it's
>a geezer rock platter. Assuming that's correct, what new sonic ground is
>it breaking? I didn't say every hip hop song has some amazing message or
>incredible songwriting, I said their pushing sonic boundaries and envelopes
>in a way that geezer rock is not, esp the ones listening to the Jamaicans
>who are really on a roll. So what is so great sound wise about Endless Wire?
>
>"DC" <
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Sun, 14 January 2007 14:18 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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cuss, oh say, music, within your context.
Why don't we discuss geezer rock vs. commercial hip hop?
How about geezer jazz vs. misogynist rap?
We could have a go at geezer baroque vs. Bling R & B where
Hummers of both kinds are a must-have in all videos
I am really looking forward to a chat about geezer bebop
vs. gangsta rap. That one will be fun.
BTW, which reductionistic, anti-art category do you put your own
music in? Or does it have all kinds of new sounds, so it's
OK to not write good songs?
Endless Wire, BTW is the new Who disc and the sonic landscapes
are absolutely breathtaking in places. You should listen. Oh, and
there is also some actual songwriting and composition going
on.
DC
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I don't know what Endless Wire is, but I'm guessing by this response it's
>a geezer rock platter. Assuming that's correct, what new sonic ground is
>it breaking? I didn't say every hip hop song has some amazing message or
>incredible songwriting, I said their pushing sonic boundaries and envelopes
>in a way that geezer rock is not, esp the ones listening to the Jamaicans
>who are really on a roll. So what is so great sound wise about Endless Wire?
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinCT.org> wrote:
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>People might not like the content, but from a sonic standpoint it's about
>>>1000x more interesting that whatever geezer rock retread platter was just
>>>released.
>>
>>
>>Endless Wire is great, vital, and new music made by geezers,
>>not "geezer rock".
>>
>>have you heard it?
>>
>>
>>How was your NOOGIE btw?
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>It's not 1969 anymore, but I think Geezer Butler kind of rocks (Terence Michael
Butler). I haven't listen to them in years, but the last time I saw them
they rocked. Actually being a drummer I pay more attention to Bill Ward,
I always kind of liked his playing style. At least these old Geezers can
actually play instruments.
Geezer Rock Rules; )
James
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I don't know what Endless Wire is, but I'm guessing by this response it's
>a geezer rock platter. Assuming that's correct, what new sonic ground is
>it breaking? I didn't say every hip hop song has some amazing message or
>incredible songwriting, I said their pushing sonic boundaries and envelopes
>in a way that geezer rock is not, esp the ones listening to the Jamaicans
>who are really on a roll. So what is so great sound wise about Endless Wire?
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinCT.org> wrote:
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>People might not like the content, but from a sonic standpoint it's about
>>>1000x more interesting that whatever geezer rock retread platter was just
>>>released.
>>
>>
>>Endless Wire is great, vital, and new music made by geezers,
>>not "geezer rock".
>>
>>have you heard it?
>>
>>
>>How was your NOOGIE btw?
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I don't know what Endless Wire is, but I'm guessing by this response it's
>a geezer rock platter. Assuming that's correct, what new sonic ground is
>it breaking? I didn't say every hip hop song has some amazing message or
>incredible songwriting, I said their pushing sonic boundaries and envelopes
>in a way that geezer rock is not
Considering that nearly all rap/hip-hop involves recycling
something that someone else has already done (whether it's a
sampled loop from a geezer rock song or an Acid loop or
repeating one-shot sample that someone else has recorded), I'd
say they're breaking, oh... ZERO new ground.
NeilNot Me..I'm not surprised... Both Rock and RAP have been battling each for
the better part of the last 10 years. Rap
RAP Sales have been dominate for the last 2 years with groups such as Outcast.
But this where things get's confusing.. Both Outcast & Ludacris aven Em &
EM where catagorzed aS ROCK!!!! As is Jay-Z..
So, you can see that how the numbers for Rock climbed. Some in the industry
calls this racism. I can tel you that in my neighborhood (Macomb) Mi nearly
all kid(Wjites , Blacks, Hispanic) listen to only Hip Hop rap..And No Rock..
And that's the trend all over this world not just the US..
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Music industry stats.
>
> http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?nd mViewId=news_view&newsId=20070104005813&newsLang=en
>
>By genre, I'm surprised that Metal sold more than RAP. In fact, I'm surprised
>that Rock is about three times bigger than RAP. You'd never know it by
watching
>MTV or by watching any music award shows. You'd think nothing is bigger
>than RAP.
>
>I was also surprised that the band No Doubt wasn't listed in the top ten
>albums from 1991-2006. I read and was told by Matt Wilder and Tony Ferguson
>(Interscope Records) that Tragic Kingdom sold around 16 million records
and
>set sales records???
>
>http://www.taxi.com/faq/ar/ferguson.html
>
>JamesLaMont we live in the same place, and run in two different crowds, not everybody
here is in to RAP. Many are though.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Not Me..I'm not surprised... Both Rock and RAP have been battling each for
>the better part of the last 10 years. Rap
>
>RAP Sales have been dominate for the last 2 years with groups such as Outcast.
>But this where things get's confusing.. Both Outcast & Ludacris aven Em
&
>EM where catagorzed aS ROCK!!!! As is Jay-Z..
>
>So, you can see that how the numbers for Rock climbed. Some in the industry
>calls this racism. I can tel you that in my neighborhood (Macomb) Mi nearly
>all kid(Wjites , Blacks, Hispanic) listen to only Hip Hop rap..And No Rock..
>
>And that's the trend all over this world not just the US..
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Music industry stats.
>>
>> http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?nd mViewId=news_view&newsId=20070104005813&newsLang=en
>>
>>By genre, I'm surprised that Metal sold more than RAP. In fact, I'm surprised
>>that Rock is about three times bigger than RAP. You'd never know it by
>watching
>>MTV or by watching any music award shows. You'd think nothing is bigger
>>than RAP.
>>
>>I was also surprised that the band No Doubt wasn't listed in the top ten
>>albums from 1991-2006. I read and was told by Matt Wilder and Tony Ferguson
>>(Interscope Records) that Tragic Kingdom sold around 16 million records
>and
>>set sales records???
>>
>>http://www.taxi.com/faq/ar/ferguson.html
>>
>>James
>Ok Mon! I think this is what TCB is talking about, check it out, the videos.
Music, dance and culture. http://www.dancehallreggae.com/index1.aspx
Maybe TCB can post some better links. Turn us on to it TCB!
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>The distinction between 'R&B' and 'Rap' is at least as difficult as the
difference
>between 'Rock' 'Metal' and 'Alternative.' When R&B and Rap are added together
>they obviously sell lots and lots of records.
>
>Two other things. First, 'rap' is a verb, it's something someone does. 'Hip
>hop' is a noun, a kind of music. 'He raps very well on his new hip hop song,
>but I think the production is a little bland.' Lastly, IMHO by far the most
>fertile ground for interesting new sounds is dancehall (essentially, Jamaican
>hip hop) and the US/UK hip hop producers who are listening into those sounds.
>People might not like the content, but from a sonic standpoint it's about
>1000x more interesting that whatever geezer rock retread platter was just
>released.
>
>TCB
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Music industry stats.
>>
>> http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?nd mViewId=news_view&newsId=20070104005813&newsLang=en
>><
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TCB
Messages: 1261
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>>By genre, I'm surprised that Metal sold more than RAP. In fact, I'm surprised
>>that Rock is about three times bigger than RAP. You'd never know it by
>watching
>>MTV or by watching any music award shows. You'd think nothing is bigger
>>than RAP.
>>
>>I was also surprised that the band No Doubt wasn't listed in the top ten
>>albums from 1991-2006. I read and was told by Matt Wilder and Tony Ferguson
>>(Interscope Records) that Tragic Kingdom sold around 16 million records
>and
>>set sales records???
>>
>>http://www.taxi.com/faq/ar/ferguson.html
>>
>>James
>James , I'm talking about the teens..Most of teen, including my own and neighbors
listen to Hip /Rap..
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>LaMont we live in the same place, and run in two different crowds, not everybody
>here is in to RAP. Many are though.
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Not Me..I'm not surprised... Both Rock and RAP have been battling each
for
>>the better part of the last 10 years. Rap
>>
>>RAP Sales have been dominate for the last 2 years with groups such as Outcast.
>>But this where things get's confusing.. Both Outcast & Ludacris aven Em
>&
>>EM where catagorzed aS ROCK!!!! As is Jay-Z..
>>
>>So, you can see that how the numbers for Rock climbed. Some in the industry
>>calls this racism. I can tel you that in my neighborhood (Macomb) Mi nearly
>>all kid(Wjites , Blacks, Hispanic) listen to only Hip Hop rap..And No Rock..
>>
>>And that's the trend all over this world not just the US..
>>
>>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Music industry stats.
>>>
>>> http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?nd mViewId=news_view&newsId=20070104005813&newsLang=en
>>>
>>>By genre, I'm surprised that Metal sold more than RAP. In fact, I'm surprised
>>>that Rock is about three times bigger than RAP. You'd never know it by
>>watching
>>>MTV or by watching any music award shows. You'd think nothing is bigger
>>>than RAP.
>>>
>>>I was also surprised that the band No Doubt wasn't listed in the top ten
>>>albums from 1991-2006. I read and was told by Matt Wilder and Tony Ferguson
>>>(Interscope Records) that Tragic Kingdom sold around 16 million records
>>and
>>>set sales records???
>>>
>>>http://www.taxi.com/faq/ar/ferguson.html
>>>
>>>James
>>
>Yes..I played around with demo the other night.. Man, I was blown away..
This will replace auto-tune for me ..
TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote:
>
>I purchased the melodyne plug (loyalty upgrade) today. This thing is great.
It streamlines
>the whole process of tuning a vocal track in your daw. Highly recommended.
Comes as
>a vst/au/rtas bundle.
>
>Second thing I tried was the (TDM only) Crane Song Phoenix plugin. This
is well worth
>checking out if you mix with PT. It adds some of the qualities back in the
sound that
>Paris exhibits.
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>TCAt my daughter's high school it's a big mix of everything, but
there are lots of people rockin' including black kids. Also
with a lot of music, the line between rock and rap is pretty
darn hard to find sometimes.
DC
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritch.net> wrote:
>
>James , I'm talking about the teens..Most of teen, including my own and
neighbors
>listen to Hip /Rap..
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>LaMont we live in the same place, and run in two different crowds, not
everybody
>>here is in to RAP. Many are though.
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Not Me..I'm not surprised... Both Rock and RAP have been battling each
>for
>>>the better part of the last 10 years. Rap
>>>
>>>RAP Sales have been dominate for the last 2 years with groups such as
Outcast.
>>>But this where things get's confusing.. Both Outcast & Ludacris aven Em
>>&
>>>EM where catagorzed aS ROCK!!!! As is Jay-Z..
>>>
>>>So, you can see that how the numbers for Rock climbed. Some in the industry
>>>calls this racism. I can tel you that in my neighborhood (Macomb) Mi nearly
>>>all kid(Wjites , Blacks, Hispanic) listen to only Hip Hop rap..And No
Rock..
>>>
>>>And that's the trend all over this world not just the US..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Music industry stats.
>>>>
>>>> http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?nd mViewId=news_view&newsId=20070104005813&newsLang=en
>>>>
>>>>By genre, I'm surprised that Metal sold more than RAP. In fact, I'm
surprised
>>>>that Rock is about three times bigger than RAP. You'd never know it
by
>>>watching
>>>>MTV or by watching any music award shows. You'd think nothing is bigger
>>>>than RAP.
>>>>
>>>>I was also surprised that the band No Doubt wasn't listed in the top
ten
>>>>albums from 1991-2006. I read and was told by Matt Wilder and Tony Ferguson
>>>>(Interscope Records) that Tragic Kingdom sold around 16 million records
>>>and
>>>>set sales records???
>>>>
>>>>http://www.taxi.com/faq/ar/ferguson.html
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>
>>
>First time using Wavelab, and first time I've run into this problem. I
bounced a project (16bit) to a wav and sent it over lan to another computer
to edit in Wavelab. After I finished I sent it back to Paris. When I pull
it into Paris, it shows up as a 3K file??? Dragging it on the PField yields
zilch. The stereo file from WL is over 45K and plays fine in MediaPlayer.
What gives???I am attempting to build a new computer and I know the EDS is a 33Mghz, 5
volt PCI card, but is it a "keyed" 5 volt card?
I just finished reading a specification paper on PCI 2.1, 2.2, and 2.3.
To make it short, this is my understanding:
if the EDS is a "keyed" card, it will NOT be compatible with PCI 2.3, but
2.1 and 2.2 would be.
Of course, most Mobo manufacturers don't even bother listing what version
the 'classic' PCI slots are so if this is a keyed card, I need to know.
Actually, if any of you could tell me what kind a computer you're running
your PARIS on, that would be really helpful.
I would like to build the most 'modern' computer possible, but the most 'current'
stable config I've heard of was a P4 running XP. And I don't even know if
that was a 775 or 478!
If anyone out there could shed some light on this I would be soooo grateful.
Thanks ;)Thanks, guys. Friend of a friend needed advice....
Jimmy
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45c96f71$1@linux...
> I ran two SATA Raptors in RAID0 array for years on my Paris rig with no
> problems.
>
> DJ
>
> "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:<
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Sun, 14 January 2007 14:31 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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a href="mailto:45c95b16@linux..." target="_blank">45c95b16@linux...
> > Do these puppies behave any differently from IDE drives in relation to
> > WinXP
> > installations, or perhaps Paris DAWs? Got a friend having some weird
> > troubles....
> >
> >
> > Hope all is well here in Paris land.
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> >
>
>I've got the AD/DA's wired in to the patchbay and most of my ADAT
connections accomplished. I'm distrubiting the clock of my Mytek A/D
converter using a Lucid Gen X 6, sending to everything else. It's clocking
like a dream. this is something that always concerns me. I have eliminated
about 2/3 of the massive cabling insanity I had going on here. Things are
still a bit messy and I've got a few more odds and ends that haven't shown
up yet, but I'm getting there. Very stable, sounds very good to my ears.
Getting those 4 x CRT's out of here has cooled the room down about 20
degrees and since I also moved the massive platform that they were sitting
on out of the room, it sounds a bit different....clearer and more open
(DOH!!!) so that's something I'll have to get used to but actually, I think
it's going to be an improvement in the acoustic environment. I seem to be
hearing with a bit more acuity, especially reverb tails and delays. These
are more obvious now in the new, less cluttered environment.
There must be half a mile of cabling of various kinds coiled up in various
parts of the control room right now. It's going to take me half a day to
sort it out and figure out what to do with it.
I'll probably have a cable sale in a couple of weeks, as soon as I'm sure
what I need and what I want to keep, just in case.
Deej
..in wavelab you need to search around for a setting that says
"save file headers" or something to that effect.
Uncheck it.Disable it.
Then resave the file.
You should be good to go.
"RiverLake Farms" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>First time using Wavelab, and first time I've run into this problem. I
>bounced a project (16bit) to a wav and sent it over lan to another computer
>to edit in Wavelab. After I finished I sent it back to Paris. When I pull
>it into Paris, it shows up as a 3K file??? Dragging it on the PField yields
>zilch. The stereo file from WL is over 45K and plays fine in MediaPlayer.
>What gives???
>
> http://rupertneve.com/archive/portico-5014-stereo-field-edit or-now-shipping/I remember saying exactly that about XP, and I waited quite some time to
make XP my music machine choice.
After some time though hacks and ways to clear the absolute amount of
ridiculous crap off your machine surface from various sites and sources and
we find ourselves getting it eventually don't we?
AA
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:45ca1583$1@linux...
>I know one thing, we will switch over entirely to MAC before we install
>that overbloated piece of crap on any of our audio machines....
>
> David.
>
> John wrote:
>> You have to buy Vista. hehesoooo..... it works in Paris?
AA
"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
news:45ca6a05$1@linux...
>
> I purchased the melodyne plug (loyalty upgrade) today. This thing is
> great. It streamlines the whole process of tuning a vocal track in your
> daw. Highly recommended. Comes as a vst/au/rtas bundle.
>
> Second thing I tried was the (TDM only) Crane Song Phoenix plugin. This is
> well worth checking out if you mix with PT. It adds some of the qualities
> back in the sound that Paris exhibits.
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Sun, 14 January 2007 13:50 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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>
> Cheers,
>
> TCmine's still an older Asus A7s333 system. No need to upgrade it, and I think
at least 3 other ppl here are also running that mobo (It's an AMD system,
btw).
Hopefully this'll get the ball rolling here.
AA
"Diana" <Io_Project@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45caa9ee$1@linux...
>
> I am attempting to build a new computer and I know the EDS is a 33Mghz, 5
> volt PCI card, but is it a "keyed" 5 volt card?
> I just finished reading a specification paper on PCI 2.1, 2.2, and 2.3.
> To make it short, this is my understanding:
> if the EDS is a "keyed" card, it will NOT be compatible with PCI 2.3, but
> 2.1 and 2.2 would be.
>
> Of course, most Mobo manufacturers don't even bother listing what version
> the 'classic' PCI slots are so if this is a keyed card, I need to know.
> Actually, if any of you could tell me what kind a computer you're running
> your PARIS on, that would be really helpful.
> I would like to build the most 'modern' computer possible, but the most
> 'current'
> stable config I've heard of was a P4 running XP. And I don't even know if
> that was a 775 or 478!
>
> If anyone out there could shed some light on this I would be soooo
> grateful.
> Thanks ;)Thanks Brandon,
Edna
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45cab5c1$1@linux...
>
> in wavelab you need to search around for a setting that says
> "save file headers" or something to that effect.
> Uncheck it.Disable it.
> Then resave the file.
> You should be good to go.
>
>
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> "RiverLake Farms" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>First time using Wavelab, and first time I've run into this problem. I
>
>>bounced a project (16bit) to a wav and sent it over lan to another
>>computer
>
>>to edit in Wavelab. After I finished I sent it back to Paris. When I
>>pull
>
>>it into Paris, it shows up as a 3K file??? Dragging it on the PField
>>yields
>
>>zilch. The stereo file from WL is over 45K and plays fine in MediaPlayer.
>
>>What gives???
>>
>>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
> http://rupertneve.com/archive/portico-5014-stereo-field-edit or-now-shipping/
With spatial controls very similar to...
http://www.icehouse.net/john34/base.htmlOh yeah, should work in any city..
(ducking)
I also just tried the Massey plugins for Pro Tools (ducks again), very nice and nice price.. http://masseyplugins.com
Seriously, I haven't tried the Melodyne plug with paris. I used to use Cre8 as standalone with paris. My paris system has been getting less use lately.
Cheers,
TC
Aaron Allen wrote:
> soooo..... it works in Paris?
> AA
>
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>With spatial controls very similar to...
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use.net/john34/base.html" target="_blank">http://www.icehouse.net/john34/base.html
>
I had a Bedini B.A.S.E. for many years. Actually I’m sorry I sold it. I remember
paying a small fortune for it and also needing to supply a list of albums
I used it on to get a somewhat lower price. I still have and use a highly
modified Edison (don’t laugh).
GeneNow Gene you hit me right whee I ache...
Can you please spit out what EXACTLY do you mean a "modified" Edison ?!
I need to know the exact mod !! :)
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>>With spatial controls very similar to...
>>
>>http://www.icehouse.net/john34/base.html
>>
>I had a Bedini B.A.S.E. for many years. Actually I’m sorry I sold it. I
remember
>paying a small fortune for it and also needing to supply a list of albums
>I used it on to get a somewhat lower price. I still have and use a highly
>modified Edison (don’t laugh).
>Gene"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
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> mine's still an older Asus A7s333 system. No need to upgrade it, and I
> think at least 3 other ppl here are also running that mobo (It's an AMD
> system, btw).
> Hopefully this'll get the ball rolling here.
>
> AA
Make that four
>
> "Diana" <Io_Project@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45caa9ee$1@linux...
>>
>> I am attempting to build a new computer and I know the EDS is a 33Mghz, 5
>> volt PCI card, but is it a "keyed" 5 volt card?
>> I just finished reading a specification paper on PCI 2.1, 2.2, and 2.3.
>> To make it short, this is my understanding:
>> if the EDS is a "keyed" card, it will NOT be compatible with PCI 2.3, but
>> 2.1 and 2.2 would be.
>>
>> Of course, most Mobo manufacturers don't even bother listing what version
>> the 'classic' PCI slots are so if this is a keyed card, I need to know.
>> Actually, if any of you could tell me what kind a computer you're running
>> your PARIS on, that would be really helpful.
>> I would like to build the most 'modern' computer possible, but the most
>> 'current'
>> stable config I've heard of was a P4 running XP. And I don't even know if
>> that was a 775 or 478!
>>
>> If anyone out there could shed some light on this I would be soooo
>> grateful.
>> Thanks ;)
>
>Yep, I can't say enough about Melodyne. I was talking to Aaron the other
night on MSN while I was working on edits and I'm sure he got tired of me
spouting the greatness of the plug in haha.
It's worth every penny.
"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
news:45ca6a05$1@linux...
>
> I purchased the melodyne plug (loyalty upgrade) today. This thing is
> great. It streamlines the whole process of tuning a vocal track in your
> daw. Highly recommended. Comes as a vst/au/rtas bundle.
>
> Second thing I tried was the (TDM only) Crane Song Phoenix plugin. This is
> well worth checking out if you mix with PT. It adds some of the qualities
> back in the sound that Paris exhibits.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> TCMostly, yes, the lack of sonic cliche. Also a willingness to explore beats
beyond straight 4/4 time, incredible bass sounds, and a toleration of 'grit'
that I find refreshing.
Sorry I'm being less clear these days, must be early onset senility,
TCB
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Thad,
>
>I'm not exactly sure what pushing sonic boundries means after reading this.
> Is it the lack of sonic cliche so to speak? I'm asking because normally
>I understand what you are saying, or at least think I do.
>
>Thanks
>Chuck
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>I don't know what Endless Wire is, but I'm guessing by this response it's
>>a geezer rock platter. Assuming that's correct, what new sonic ground is
>>it breaking? I didn't say every hip hop song has some amazing message or
>>incredible songwriting, I said their pushing sonic boundaries and envelopes
>>in a way that geezer rock is not, esp the ones listening to the Jamaicans
>>who are really on a roll. So what is so great sound wise about Endless
Wire?
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinCT.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>People might not like the content, but from a sonic standpoint it's about
>>>>1000x more interesting that whatever geezer rock retread platter was
just
>>>>released.
>>>
>>>
>>>Endless Wire is great, vital, and new music made by geezers,
>>>not "geezer rock".
>>>
>>>have you heard it?
>>>
>>>
>>>How was your NOOGIE btw?
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
>>>
>>
>Unlike those geezer rockers, who were COMPLETELY original. Nobody ever nicked
a Chuck Berry or Muddy Waters lick back in the day, right? Or ripped off
some Everly Brothers harmonies. Just brand new ideas straight from the ether
. . .
TCB
"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>I don't know what Endless Wire is, but I'm guessing by this response it's
>>a geezer rock platter. Assuming that's correct, what new sonic ground is
>>it breaking? I didn't say every hip hop song has some amazing message or
>>incredible songwriting, I said their pushing sonic boundaries and envelopes
>>in a way that geezer rock is not
>
>Considering that nearly all rap/hip-hop involves recycling
>something that someone else has already done (whether it's a
>sampled loop from a geezer rock song or an Acid loop or
>repeating one-shot sample that someone else has recorded), I'd
>say they're breaking, oh... ZERO new ground.
>
>NeilHey Don,
I play in what I would call a 'Brit flavored pop band' called the Mold Monkies.
You can hear some songs at www.moldmonkies.com or buy our CD if you actually
give a rip, which I suspect you don't. My own personal music I would call
'Reasonably good Thievery Corporation ripoff with treated vocals,' but the
pop songwriting in the Monkies has pushed me in a slightly different direction
I'm exploring now. We'll see how that works out.
Never liked The Who all that much. The only Brit geezer rockers I ever really
like were the Kinks and the Stones. But if someone else has that record I'll
listen to it.
TCB
"DC" <dc@spammersinMA.com> wrote:
>
>With categories like "geezer rock" it is clear that no one can
>actually discuss, oh say, music, within your context.
>
>Why don't we discuss geezer rock vs. commercial hip hop?
>
>How about geezer jazz vs. misogynist rap?
>
>We could have a go at geezer baroque vs. Bling R & B where
>Hummers of both kinds are a must-have in all videos
>
>I am really looking forward to a chat about geezer bebop
>vs. gangsta rap. That one will be fun.
>
>BTW, which reductionistic, anti-art category do you put your own
>music in? Or does it have all kinds of new sounds, so it's
>OK to not write good songs?
>
>
>Endless Wire, BTW is the new Who disc and the sonic landscapes
>are absolutely breathtaking in places. You should listen. Oh, and
>there is also some actual songwriting and composition going
>on.
>
>DC
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>I don't know what Endless Wire is, but I'm guessing by this response it's
>>a geezer rock platter. Assuming that's correct, what new sonic ground is
>>it breaking? I didn't say every hip hop song has some amazing message or
>>incredible songwriting, I said their pushing sonic boundaries and envelopes
>>in a way that geezer rock is not, esp the ones listening to the Jamaicans
>>who are really on a roll. So what is so great sound wise about Endless
Wire?
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinCT.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>People might not like the content, but from a sonic standpoint it's about
>>>>1000x more interesting that whatever geezer rock retread platter was
just
>>>>released.
>>>
>>>
>>>Endless Wire is great, vital, and new music made by geezers,
>>>not "geezer rock".
>>>
>>>have you heard it?
>>>
>>>
>>>How was your NOOGIE btw?
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
>>>
>>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Now Gene you hit me right whee I ache...
>Can you please spit out what EXACTLY do you mean a "modified" Edison ?!
>I need to know the exact mod !! :)
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
Hi Dimitrios,
I’ve done lots of my own mods over the years, but I picked up this Edison
pre-modified. It has Black Gate Caps, Burr-Brown chips and an updated power
supply.
It sounds very clean compared to a stock unit, but sill not quite as magical
as a Bedini B.A.S.E. It’s not in a very good location in my rack for easy
removal, but next time I have an opportunity, I will pull it and photograph
it for you. I think you will find some DIY info on the web for doing similar
mods.
GeneAgreed..Those 2 genres are the titans..
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>At my daughter's high school it's a big mix of everything, but
>there are lots of people rockin' including black kids. Also
>with a lot of music, the line between rock and rap is pretty
>darn hard to find sometimes.
>
>DC
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritch.net> wrote:
>>
>>James , I'm talking about the teens..Most of teen, including my own and
>neighbors
>>listen to Hip /Rap..
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>LaMont we live in the same place, and run in two different crowds, not
>everybody
>>>here is in to RAP. Many are though.
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
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>>>>Not Me..I'm not surprised... Both Rock and RAP have been battling each
>>for
>>>>the better part of the last 10 years. Rap
>>>>
>>>>RAP Sales have been dominate for the last 2 years with groups such as
>Outcast.
>>>>But this where things get's confusing.. Both Outcast & Ludacris aven
Em
>>>&
>>>>EM where catagorzed aS ROCK!!!! As is Jay-Z..
>>>>
>>>>So, you can see that how the numbers for Rock climbed. Some in the industry
>>>>calls this racism. I can tel you that in my neighborhood (Macomb) Mi
nearly
>>>>all kid(Wjites , Blacks, Hispanic) listen to only Hip Hop rap..And No
>Rock..
>>>>
>>>>And that's the trend all over this world not just the US..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Music industry stats.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?nd mViewId=news_view&newsId=20070104005813&newsLang=en
>>>>>
>>>>>By genre, I'm surprised that Metal sold more than RAP. In fact, I'm
>surprised
>>>>>that Rock is about three times bigger than RAP. You'd never know it
>by
>>>>watching
>>>>>MTV or by watching any music award shows. You'd think nothing is bigger
>>>>>than RAP.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was also surprised that the band No Doubt wasn't listed in the top
>ten
>>>>>albums from 1991-2006. I read and was told by Matt Wilder and Tony
Ferguson
>>>>>(Interscope Records) that Tragic Kingdom sold around 16 million records
>>>>and
>>>>>set sales records???
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.taxi.com/faq/ar/ferguson.html
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Well, at least when the Stones ripped off an old bluesman, they
recorded & played the song themselves, and actually gave the
original writer the appropriate credit & royalties. I like Janet
Jacksons voice quite a lot, but when half of a CD consists of
looped samples of everything from Ventura Highway" to "You're So
Vain" (ok, so that's "geezer pop", not geezer rock"), you're
basically buying a CD full of karaeoke performances.
So, next time you wanna prove to us how hip you are by talking
smack about how cool & "groundbreaking" P.Diddy is, just
remember "Come With Me".
In fact, I think you should one-up him... why not just write
& rap some new lyrics over a looped main riff of "Black Dog",
that was an even bigger hit for Zep than "Kashmir" was. lol
Neil
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Unlike those geezer rockers, who were COMPLETELY original. Nobody ever nicked
>a Chuck Berry or Muddy Waters lick back in the day, right? Or ripped off
>some Everly Brothers harmonies. Just brand new ideas straight from the ether
> . .
>
>TCB
>
>"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I don't know what Endless Wire is, but I'm guessing by this response it's
>>>a geezer rock platter. Assuming that's correct, what new sonic ground
is
>>>it breaking? I didn't say every hip hop song has some amazing message
or
>>>incredible songwriting, I said their pushing sonic boundaries and envelopes
>>>in a way that geezer rock is not
>>
>>Considering that nearly all rap/hip-hop involves recycling
>>something that someone else has already done (whether it's a
>>sampled loop from a geezer rock song or an Acid loop or
>>repeating one-shot sample that someone else has recorded), I'd
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>>say they're breaking, oh... ZERO new ground.
>>
>>Neil
>I havent gotten it to work inside Paris, so use it stand- alone. Great app.
Only thing I use Autotune for is adding vibrato :)
Edna
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:45cabbed$1@linux...
> soooo..... it works in Paris?
> AA
>
>
> "TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
> news:45ca6a05$1@linux...
>>
>> I purchased the melodyne plug (loyalty upgrade) today. This thing is
>> great. It streamlines the whole process of tuning a vocal track in your
>> daw. Highly recommended. Comes as a vst/au/rtas bundle.
>>
>> Second thing I tried was the (TDM only) Crane Song Phoenix plugin. This
>> is well worth checking out if you mix with PT. It adds some of the
>> qualities back in the sound that Paris exhibits.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> TC
>
>Gene,
I'm culeless about these boxes though I've seen some plugins that purport to
do this. I didn't think too much of them though. This looks like it could be
a very useful tool if used wisely (as I suppose could be the case with the
plugins too ;o)
I can see how this might be used to process certain busses to get a 3D
positional effect for certain instruments, then freeze (or bounce) these,
apply it to another bus, etc. I'm not sure about full mixes, though from
some of the info I've been reading, it looks like it works nicely on a full
mix as well.
If/when you have the time, would you mind sharing your use methodology using
the BASE?
Thanks,
Deej
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:45cac949$1@linux...
>
> "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>>With spatial controls very similar to...
>>
>>http://www.icehouse.net/john34/base.html
>>
> I had a Bedini B.A.S.E. for many years. Actually I'm sorry I sold it. I
> remember
> paying a small fortune for it and also needing to supply a list of albums
> I used it on to get a somewhat lower price. I still have and use a highly
> modified Edison (don't laugh).
> Gene"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Neil PLEASE!
Man, you just simply do not understand business at ALL, do you?
See my responses to your comments below:
>Apple is just one of many resellers of the record industries products.
News
>flash Apple helped turn them around!!!
While making shitloads of money for themselves in the process...
doesn't do much good to have an iPod if you can't play anything
back on it, BUT WAIT - if we sell people the music for the iPod,
too, then we'll make even MORE money! Nothing wrong with that,
it was a win-win for both Apple & the labelss - but don't come
across like Apple's so charitable & generous that they decided
to save an entire floundering industry out of the goodness of
their hearts.
>There were other companies that were around like mp3.com that
>didn't really work,
Yes, IMO there was too much unprofessional crap on mp3.com;
yeah there was some really good indie stuff, too, but you had to
filter out a hgundred pieces of crap in order to find one gem...
wasn't it Phil Spector who said "LP's are just two good songs &
ten pieces of crap" ? lol mp3.com was two good songs for every
like five hundred thousand pieces of crap.
Which proves what? That consumers either DO like to be force-fed
by the biglabelstarmakingspinmachines, or they actually in fact,
have some discernment, after all.
>Who do you think get screwed when an artist gets 8 to 13 cents
>a record that sells for $10.00 to $20.00?
Yes, I'm really sorry for people like Britney Spears, Snoop
Dog, and J-Lo who the labels built up to the point where they
can have their own clothing lines, perfume brands, etc, etc,
and make millions upon millions of merchandising $ that the
labels never even get to touch - where would these people be
without the labels' money launching them in the first place?
Even the mid-level artists do pretty well... they make shitloads
more than any of us do, and while that may not put them in the
same league as the A-listers, they still end up with a damn good
set of mansions & exotic cars out of the deal.
>Who do you think makes all the money? In a typical record
>deal, that half a million dollars has to be payed back by the
>band or artist before the artist sees any profit.
And why should it not have to be paid back first? Should the
labels be a big fucking charity that doles out tens of millions
per year to however mnay bands/artists & then let the artist
reap all the profits first?
>If the artist is not profitable the record company gets to
>write off the loss!
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Messages: 1292
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>how many radio stations a crossed the country and the world
>would you be able to have your artist played on and in regular
>rotation???
I have a little record company, and the answer is: very few.
>What access would you have to the market place?
Hardly any. It takes a lot of money & muscle to break through
the noise, no doubt. But this is an entirely different issue
altogether... how many iTunes (or Rhapsody, or EMusic) downloads
are NOT from major-lable artists? Hardly any in proportion,
really; so the fact that people have access to indie stuff now
is irrelevant, they're still buying/seeking out that which is
most aggressively marketed to them by Radio/MTV/Fuse/Etc.
>Yes, I feel so sorry for the record companies and the
>families that own and control them. Do you know what it cost
>to wing people around in a Gulf Stream 5 on a regular basis?
I dunno, do you know how much it costs to swill gallons of
Cristal every night or pour a pound of blow up your nose every
month? Those poor artists getting screwed, how dare the labels
own a corporate jet when they should be giving some more of that
money to those people we see on MTV Cribs... hey, that guy's
still got room for a seventh quarter-million dollar car in his
driveway - how about we give some of it to him?
NeilYou can get most of the same effect using standard M/S techniques, but both
the Behringer Edison and the BASE, seem to be more effective with better
mono compatibility.
I have used the two units primarily for two types of effects.
1. Reduced center on reverb returns: This can help to take the wash out of
the center and still leave relatively long but unobtrusive tails at the L/R
points or “super” L/R – (outside the normal stereo spread - see number 2)
2. To make sections of the song extend outside the normal stereo field. I
generally apply this sound to large vocal chorus sections or occasionally
to the main reverb return but only on the chorus sections. Stereo room mics
on drums or other instruments also can be effective in this mode. Applying
this to binaural mic recording can do some very wild things (a personal favorite)
although mono compatibility can go away in a hurry.
The BASE implanted its own special sound that was reminiscent of a good tube
unit or Class A Neve. Very smooth and delicious.
I did use the BASE across the stereo buss on a few mixes, but I have not
been happy with the Edison in this capacity.
Gene
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Gene,
>
>I'm culeless about these boxes though I've seen some plugins that purport
to
>do this. I didn't think too much of them though. This looks like it could
be
>a very useful tool if used wisely (as I suppose could be the case with the
>plugins too ;o)
>
> I can see how this might be used to process certain busses to get a 3D
>positional effect for certain instruments, then freeze (or bounce) these,
>apply it to another bus, etc. I'm not sure about full mixes, though from
>some of the info I've been reading, it looks like it works nicely on a full
>mix as well.
>
>If/when you have the time, would you mind sharing your use methodology using
>the BASE?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Deej
>
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>news:45cac949$1@linux...
>>
>> "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>>With spatial controls very similar to...
>>>
>>>http://www.icehouse.net/john34/base.html
>>>
>> I had a Bedini B.A.S.E. for many years. Actually I'm sorry I sold it.
I
>> remember
>> paying a small fortune for it and also needing to supply a list of albums
>> I used it on to get a somewhat lower price. I still have and use a highly
>> modified Edison (don't laugh).
>> Gene
>
>Geno, which BASE version do you have? The one with the
unbalanced, or balanced i/o's?
Also, do you have the users' manual for it?
Neil
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>You can get most of the same effect using standard M/S techniques, but both
>the Behringer Edison and the BASE, seem to be more effective with better
>mono compatibility.
>
>I have used the two units primarily for two types of effects.
>1. Reduced center on reverb returns: This can help to take the wash out
of
>the center and still leave relatively long but unobtrusive tails at the
L/R
>points or “super” L/R – (outside the normal stereo spread - see number 2)
>
>2. To make sections of the song extend outside the normal stereo field.
I
>generally apply this sound to large vocal chorus sections or occasionally
>to the main reverb return but only on the chorus sections. Stereo room mics
>on drums or other instruments also can be effective in this mode. Applying
>this to binaural mic recording can do some very wild things (a personal
favorite)
>although mono compatibility can go away in a hurry.
>
>The BASE implanted its own special sound that was reminiscent of a good
tube
>unit or Class A Neve. Very smooth and delicious.
>
>I did use the BASE across the stereo buss on a few mixes, but I have not
>been happy with the Edison in this capacity.
>
>Gene
>
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Gene,
>>
>>I'm culeless about these boxes though I've seen some plugins that purport
>to
>>do this. I didn't think too much of them though. This looks like it could
>be
>>a very useful tool if used wisely (as I suppose could be the case with
the
>
>>plugins too ;o)
>>
>> I can see how this might be used to process certain busses to get a 3D
>
>>positional effect for certain instruments, then freeze (or bounce) these,
>
>>apply it to another bus, etc. I'm not sure about full mixes, though from
>
>>some of the info I've been reading, it looks like it works nicely on a
full
>
>>mix as well.
>>
>>If/when you have the time, would you mind sharing your use methodology
using
>
>>the BASE?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>news:45cac949$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>With spatial controls very similar to...
>>>>
>>>>http://www.icehouse.net/john34/b
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Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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ase.html
>>>>
>>> I had a Bedini B.A.S.E. for many years. Actually I'm sorry I sold it.
>I
>>> remember
>>> paying a small fortune for it and also needing to supply a list of albums
>>> I used it on to get a somewhat lower price. I still have and use a highly
>>> modified Edison (don't laugh).
>>> Gene
>>
>>
>Thank you Gene. That's some good info. I have used certain spatializer
plugins in the past but didn't really care for what they did. I didn't use
them in the same way you are describing though. Your methodology tips are
appreciated.
;o)
DJ
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:45cb5a75$1@linux...
>
> You can get most of the same effect using standard M/S techniques, but
> both
> the Behringer Edison and the BASE, seem to be more effective with better
> mono compatibility.
>
> I have used the two units primarily for two types of effects.
> 1. Reduced center on reverb returns: This can help to take the wash out of
> the center and still leave relatively long but unobtrusive tails at the
> L/R
> points or "super" L/R - (outside the normal stereo spread - see number 2)
>
> 2. To make sections of the song extend outside the normal stereo field. I
> generally apply this sound to large vocal chorus sections or occasionally
> to the main reverb return but only on the chorus sections. Stereo room
> mics
> on drums or other instruments also can be effective in this mode. Applying
> this to binaural mic recording can do some very wild things (a personal
> favorite)
> although mono compatibility can go away in a hurry.
>
> The BASE implanted its own special sound that was reminiscent of a good
> tube
> unit or Class A Neve. Very smooth and delicious.
>
> I did use the BASE across the stereo buss on a few mixes, but I have not
> been happy with the Edison in this capacity.
>
> Gene
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Gene,
>>
>>I'm culeless about these boxes though I've seen some plugins that purport
> to
>>do this. I didn't think too much of them though. This looks like it could
> be
>>a very useful tool if used wisely (as I suppose could be the case with the
>
>>plugins too ;o)
>>
>> I can see how this might be used to process certain busses to get a 3D
>
>>positional effect for certain instruments, then freeze (or bounce) these,
>
>>apply it to another bus, etc. I'm not sure about full mixes, though from
>
>>some of the info I've been reading, it looks like it works nicely on a
>>full
>
>>mix as well.
>>
>>If/when you have the time, would you mind sharing your use methodology
>>using
>
>>the BASE?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>news:45cac949$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>With spatial controls very similar to...
>>>>
>>>>http://www.icehouse.net/john34/base.html
>>>>
>>> I had a Bedini B.A.S.E. for many years. Actually I'm sorry I sold it.
> I
>>> remember
>>> paying a small fortune for it and also needing to supply a list of
>>> albums
>>> I used it on to get a somewhat lower price. I still have and use a
>>> highly
>>> modified Edison (don't laugh).
>>> Gene
>>
>>
>http://www.bedini.com/usedequipment.htm
Well........*someone* needs to buy this one!!!
;o)
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:45cac949$1@linux...
>
> "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>>With spatial controls very similar to...
>>
>>http://www.icehouse.net/john34/base.html
>>
> I had a Bedini B.A.S.E. for many years. Actually I'm sorry I sold it. I
> remember
> paying a small fortune for it and also needing to supply a list of albums
> I used it on to get a somewhat lower price. I still have and use a highly
> modified Edison (don't laugh).
> Gene"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Unlike those geezer rockers, who were COMPLETELY original. Nobody ever nicked
>a Chuck Berry or Muddy Waters lick back in the day, right? Or ripped off
>some Everly Brothers harmonies. Just brand new ideas straight from the ether
> . .
>
>TCB
Oh, I think most people would see some qualitative difference
between throwing samples together and learning to play a Chuck
Berry song.
As with punk, even your esthetic sense will too become a
period piece as the culture absorbs it. Yesterday's news.
Instead of looking for a new trend, I prefer doing what I do well.
Oh, and shhhhh, don't tell anyone, but that is what the
trendsetters are doing; what they do well. They are too busy
to worry about all this, to follow a trend, and to criticize
other musicians, even old ones. Those who do, who worry about
the next trend and where the new sounds may come from,
are all behind the curve by the amount time of the writing,
production, and marketing process.
In other words, anyone who gives a shit about "where the new
sounds are coming from" is 6 months to 2 years behind the
curve anyway.
Oh, and as you have seen, the young can be dumped on for
their youth, the Jamaicans for their cultural myopia and lack of
musical breadth, the rappers for not understanding music at all,
and the hip-hoppers for their obsession with money and
criminality.
Lessee, how about we come up with some stupid and useless
descriptions of these guys...
Maybe
Zit-Rockers
or
Ganja Dancehallers
or perhaps
Numbnutz no-talent Rap hustlers
and don't forget Bling-Hop!
The problem with all these stupid phrases, as with
"geezer rock"; is not that saying them makes the music bad.
It cannot do that.
The problem is that they blind the person who uses them.
just my .02
DC"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Don,
>
>I play in what I would call a 'Brit flavored pop band' called the Mold Monkies.
>You can hear some songs at www.moldmonkies.com or buy our CD if you actually
>give a rip, which I suspect you don't.
Actually I do, and like some of the tunes. I hear the need for a
producer to focus things a bit. Sounds like a good band for a
fun live show.
DCYou know the thing that has always bugged me about this group is how hiphop
gets dismissed out of hand almost every time its mentioned. If I close my
eyes I can almost see the bumperstickers that say RAP=CRAP next to the picture
of calvin peeing on the chevy.
I love three chord rockers, love the who, stones, beatles, kinks. But I
also (I'm dating myself) love innovative, sonically interesting, thought
provoking hiphop by guys like dela soul, pharcyde and tribe called quest.
I don't understand how anyone could listen to that and not find at least
something sonically or lyrically interesting. Who gives a rats ass if it's
samples and loops put together.
It also get's me thinking about intolerance. As many of you know, i am a
PK. My dad is nutty as a fruitcake intolerant. Bad language, bad manners,
things he percieved to be innately 'worthless', how society was going to
hell with violence, the emptyness of the consumer society, the list goes
on and on. One day he was raving on and on about a movie he had seen. Couldn't
stop talking about it. Said it was the best thing he had seen in 20 years.
Go figure, guy can't stand to see a bloddy nose, change a diaper or hear
a curse word and his favorite movie of the the past 20 years turns out to
be BOYS IN THE HOOD!!!!
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Agreed..Those 2 genres are the titans..
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>At my daughter's high school it's a big mix of everything, but
>>there are lots of people rockin' including black kids. Also
>>with a lot of music, the line between rock and rap is pretty
>>darn hard to find sometimes.
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritch.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>James , I'm talking about th
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Sun, 14 January 2007 15:22 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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e teens..Most of teen, including my own and
>>neighbors
>>>listen to Hip /Rap..
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>LaMont we live in the same place, and run in two different crowds, not
>>everybody
>>>>here is in to RAP. Many are though.
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Not Me..I'm not surprised... Both Rock and RAP have been battling each
>>>for
>>>>>the better part of the last 10 years. Rap
>>>>>
>>>>>RAP Sales have been dominate for the last 2 years with groups such as
>>Outcast.
>>>>>But this where things get's confusing.. Both Outcast & Ludacris aven
>Em
>>>>&
>>>>>EM where catagorzed aS ROCK!!!! As is Jay-Z..
>>>>>
>>>>>So, you can see that how the numbers for Rock climbed. Some in the industry
>>>>>calls this racism. I can tel you that in my neighborhood (Macomb) Mi
>nearly
>>>>>all kid(Wjites , Blacks, Hispanic) listen to only Hip Hop rap..And No
>>Rock..
>>>>>
>>>>>And that's the trend all over this world not just the US..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Music industry stats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?nd mViewId=news_view&newsId=20070104005813&newsLang=en
>>>>>>
>>>>>>By genre, I'm surprised that Metal sold more than RAP. In fact, I'm
>>surprised
>>>>>>that Rock is about three times bigger than RAP. You'd never know it
>>by
>>>>>watching
>>>>>>MTV or by watching any music award shows. You'd think nothing is bigger
>>>>>>than RAP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I was also surprised that the band No Doubt wasn't listed in the top
>>ten
>>>>>>albums from 1991-2006. I read and was told by Matt Wilder and Tony
>Ferguson
>>>>>>(Interscope Records) that Tragic Kingdom sold around 16 million records
>>>>>and
>>>>>>set sales records???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.taxi.com/faq/ar/ferguson.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Hi Chuck,
Glad you're still around.
You have my deepest sympathy as a PK. They have it harder
as kids than most people know.
I give a big rats ass about whether it is sampled and looped.
Not that you can't make cool music that way, you obviously can,
but I fear the death of genuine music skills. Theory, composition,
lyric writing, arranging, instrumental technique all have a long
tradition and one was expected to acheive some skills in these
areas to be a musician. The artistic backbone, if you will, of
the music has to be strong enough to support a growing and
expanding style, and the skills of looping and sampling are
simply too small of a backbone to support anything for any
period of time. Why learn an instrument if you can sit at a KB
and make a hit? So, how do we get a new generation of
musicians instead of (virtual) knob-twirlers?
As with 60's pop, a lot of R&B, Hip Hop, Rap, etc is pure
garbage, but some is very good indeed. The problem is the
decline in respect for musical skills that these styles encourage.
That will have serious consequences.
I am not worried because my teenager and her friends are
so omnivorous in their tastes, so curious about all kinds of
music, that they will discover music and love it, if given just
a bit of exposure. That of course, can be a problem.
I see people like Nick Cannon and P.O.D. and I see real musical
skills along with the samples and rapping.
Bitchin! They will own the future, not the braindead samplers
and stoned-out thug-rappers.
DC
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>You know the thing that has always bugged me about this group is how hiphop
>gets dismissed out of hand almost every time its mentioned. If I close
my
>eyes I can almost see the bumperstickers that say RAP=CRAP next to the picture
>of calvin peeing on the chevy.
>
>I love three chord rockers, love the who, stones, beatles, kinks. But I
>also (I'm dating myself) love innovative, sonically interesting, thought
>provoking hiphop by guys like dela soul, pharcyde and tribe called quest.
> I don't understand how anyone could listen to that and not find at least
>something sonically or lyrically interesting. Who gives a rats ass if it's
>samples and loops put together.
>
>It also get's me thinking about intolerance. As many of you know, i am
a
>PK. My dad is nutty as a fruitcake intolerant. Bad language, bad manners,
>things he percieved to be innately 'worthless', how society was going to
>hell with violence, the emptyness of the consumer society, the list goes
>on and on. One day he was raving on and on about a movie he had seen.
Couldn't
>stop talking about it. Said it was the best thing he had seen in 20 years.
> Go figure, guy can't stand to see a bloddy nose, change a diaper or hear
>a curse word and his favorite movie of the the past 20 years turns out to
>be BOYS IN THE HOOD!!!!
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Agreed..Those 2 genres are the titans..
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>At my daughter's high school it's a big mix of everything, but
>>>there are lots of people rockin' including black kids. Also
>>>with a lot of music, the line between rock and rap is pretty
>>>darn hard to find sometimes.
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritch.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>James , I'm talking about the teens..Most of teen, including my own and
>>>neighbors
>>>>listen to Hip /Rap..
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>LaMont we live in the same place, and run in two different crowds, not
>>>everybody
>>>>>here is in to RAP. Many are though.
>>>>>
>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not Me..I'm not surprised... Both Rock and RAP have been battling each
>>>>for
>>>>>>the better part of the last 10 years. Rap
>>>>>>
>>>>>>RAP Sales have been dominate for the last 2 years with groups such
as
>>>Outcast.
>>>>>>But this where things get's confusing.. Both Outcast & Ludacris aven
>>Em
>>>>>&
>>>>>>EM where catagorzed aS ROCK!!!! As is Jay-Z..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, you can see that how the numbers for Rock climbed. Some in the
industry
>>>>>>calls this racism. I can tel you that in my neighborhood (Macomb) Mi
>>nearly
>>>>>>all kid(Wjites , Blacks, Hispanic) listen to only Hip Hop rap..And
No
>>>Rock..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And that's the trend all over this world not just the US..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Music industry stats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?nd mViewId=news_view&newsId=20070104005813&newsLang=en
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>By genre, I'm surprised that Metal sold more than RAP. In fact, I'm
>>>surprised
>>>>>>>that Rock is about three times bigger than RAP. You'd never know
it
>>>by
>>>>>>watching
>>>>>>>MTV or by watching any music award shows. You'd think nothing is
bigger
>>>>>>>than RAP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I was also surprised that the band No Doubt wasn't listed in the top
>>>ten
>>>>>>>albums from 1991-2006. I read and was told by Matt Wilder and Tony
>>Ferguson
>>>>>>>(Interscope Records) that Tragic Kingdom sold around 16 million records
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>set sales records???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.taxi.com/faq/ar/ferguson.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Anyone had any experience with these? These are made by BLUE, with the removable capsules..
Cheers,
TCOk, so this is kind of strange.
I'm using Thunderbird as my news reader. When I post something, I see it. If I switch to the FS group, or exit Thunderbird and come back, my message is gone.
The only way for me to see it again is to unsubscribe, then subscribe again to this ng.
Any ideas? It wouldn't be that big a deal, but I really like reading my own posts ;-)
Cheers,
TCWe're very much a live outfit, though that CD was done with very, very little
of my influence. The next one will have my stomp prints all over it and I'm
hoping to make it sound MORE live. I'm quite excited with the really bare
bones mixes we're getting right now. Our 'signature' is three part harmonies
on almost everything with a big loud rock'n'roll noise behind it and we're
getting there on the next CD.
As far as a producer, we already have three pretty strong personalities and
I don't think another one would add much. And we'd rather not pay one of
course. And we have a song on the next CD called 'Hobo Rocket' that's about,
you guessed it, a bunch of hobos who take over a rocket, and I wouldn't want
some smart producer to keep us from doing all of the stupid, silly stuff
we do.
TCB
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Jamie K
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nobody@ishere.com" target="_blank">nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Don,
>>
>>I play in what I would call a 'Brit flavored pop band' called the Mold
Monkies.
>>You can hear some songs at www.moldmonkies.com or buy our CD if you actually
>>give a rip, which I suspect you don't.
>
>
>Actually I do, and like some of the tunes. I hear the need for a
>producer to focus things a bit. Sounds like a good band for a
>fun live show.
>
>DCI've never understood it either. I mean, I'm 37, white, played in blues/jazz
bands for years, and I can enjoy hip hop so I would think everyone could.
For me it was the first time I heard 'Fight the Power' that I realized there
was something going on that demanded my immediate attention.
We used to have Derek around which helped a bit.
Oh well, more cool tunes for me,
TCB
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>You know the thing that has always bugged me about this group is how hiphop
>gets dismissed out of hand almost every time its mentioned. If I close
my
>eyes I can almost see the bumperstickers that say RAP=CRAP next to the picture
>of calvin peeing on the chevy.
>
>I love three chord rockers, love the who, stones, beatles, kinks. But I
>also (I'm dating myself) love innovative, sonically interesting, thought
>provoking hiphop by guys like dela soul, pharcyde and tribe called quest.
> I don't understand how anyone could listen to that and not find at least
>something sonically or lyrically interesting. Who gives a rats ass if it's
>samples and loops put together.
>
>It also get's me thinking about intolerance. As many of you know, i am
a
>PK. My dad is nutty as a fruitcake intolerant. Bad language, bad manners,
>things he percieved to be innately 'worthless', how society was going to
>hell with violence, the emptyness of the consumer society, the list goes
>on and on. One day he was raving on and on about a movie he had seen.
Couldn't
>stop talking about it. Said it was the best thing he had seen in 20 years.
> Go figure, guy can't stand to see a bloddy nose, change a diaper or hear
>a curse word and his favorite movie of the the past 20 years turns out to
>be BOYS IN THE HOOD!!!!
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Agreed..Those 2 genres are the titans..
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>At my daughter's high school it's a big mix of everything, but
>>>there are lots of people rockin' including black kids. Also
>>>with a lot of music, the line between rock and rap is pretty
>>>darn hard to find sometimes.
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritch.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>James , I'm talking about the teens..Most of teen, including my own and
>>>neighbors
>>>>listen to Hip /Rap..
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>LaMont we live in the same place, and run in two different crowds, not
>>>everybody
>>>>>here is in to RAP. Many are though.
>>>>>
>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not Me..I'm not surprised... Both Rock and RAP have been battling each
>>>>for
>>>>>>the better part of the last 10 years. Rap
>>>>>>
>>>>>>RAP Sales have been dominate for the last 2 years with groups such
as
>>>Outcast.
>>>>>>But this where things get's confusing.. Both Outcast & Ludacris aven
>>Em
>>>>>&
>>>>>>EM where catagorzed aS ROCK!!!! As is Jay-Z..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, you can see that how the numbers for Rock climbed. Some in the
industry
>>>>>>calls this racism. I can tel you that in my neighborhood (Macomb) Mi
>>nearly
>>>>>>all kid(Wjites , Blacks, Hispanic) listen to only Hip Hop rap..And
No
>>>Rock..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And that's the trend all over this world not just the US..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Music industry stats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?nd mViewId=news_view&newsId=20070104005813&newsLang=en
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>By genre, I'm surprised that Metal sold more than RAP. In fact, I'm
>>>surprised
>>>>>>>that Rock is about three times bigger than RAP. You'd never know
it
>>>by
>>>>>>watching
>>>>>>>MTV or by watching any music award shows. You'd think nothing is
bigger
>>>>>>>than RAP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I was also surprised that the band No Doubt wasn't listed in the top
>>>ten
>>>>>>>albums from 1991-2006. I read and was told by Matt Wilder and Tony
>>Ferguson
>>>>>>>(Interscope Records) that Tragic Kingdom sold around 16 million records
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>set sales records???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.taxi.com/faq/ar/ferguson.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>We're very much a live outfit, though that CD was done with very, very little
>of my influence. The next one will have my stomp prints all over it and
I'm
>hoping to make it sound MORE live.
I think that is a good direction for the tunes.
>As far as a producer, we already have three pretty strong personalities
and
>I don't think another one would add much. And we'd rather not pay one of
>course. And we have a song on the next CD called 'Hobo Rocket' that's about,
>you guessed it, a bunch of hobos who take over a rocket, and I wouldn't
want
>some smart producer to keep us from doing all of the stupid, silly stuff
>we do.
Smart producer??
Like Phil?
hah
DC
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