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| Re: What I hate about demos....... [message #58021 is a reply to message #58018] |
Thu, 08 September 2005 22:39   |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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#64;yahoo.com">emarenot@yahoo.com</A>> =
>wrote in=20
> message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:434a807e$1@linux">news:434a807e$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Dimi=
>trios,=20
> thanks for the effort to put this together. I'm adding =
>this=20
> to<BR>my "paris keepers" file. <BR>MR<BR><BR>"Dimitrios" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>Ok,<BR>>Due to the many posts that maybe =
>misleading if=20
> you don't follow all of them<BR>>in the right order I decided =
>to=20
> summarize what I know regarding senderella<BR>>and its use =
>with Paris=20
> .<BR>><BR>>1. Use inside Paris.cfg at the top =
>the=20
> string EDSTransfer=3D8,16 =20
> <BR>You<BR>>could use 8,8 but this has problems with audio =
>streaming.=20
> The 8,16 seems<BR>>like the magical number, remember I tried =
>them=20
> all....<BR>>This is needed because then Senderella works =
>realtime NO=20
> LATENCY as a buss<BR>>inside Paris.<BR>>Senderella seems =
>like the=20
> greatest discovery amoung FREE plugins for Paris,<BR>>link: =
><A=20
> =
>href=3D"http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1433.html">http://www.kvraudio.com/ge=
>t/1433.html</A><BR>>Senderella=20
> newest version has a redirect option so you can send the=20
> signal<BR>>and not hear (or hear) the dry signal if you=20
> want.<BR>>It has 64 bussses ! nad now saves its condition and =
>prest=20
> (the version<BR>>before could not) after saving your=20
> song.<BR>><BR>>2. Senderella works across submixes ! but =
>the=20
> latency in beetween submixes<BR>>has to be taken into=20
> consideration.<BR>><BR>>3. So possible uses are<BR>>a} =
>Use your=20
> favorite DX/VST/UAD1/POWERCORE /EXTERNAL DEVICE reverb as=20
> abuss<BR>>with senderella.<BR>>You occupy two Paris audio =
>tracks=20
> for your reverb return using 16bit (24bit<BR>>works too) =
>silence paf=20
> file.<BR>>Here you can create a long 5 minute file or bigger =
>and have=20
> it in handy<BR>>anytime you want it.<BR>>b) Use your =
>favourite=20
> compressor VST/DX/UAD!/POWERCORE/EXTERNAL for=20
> buss<BR>>compression.<BR>><BR>>4. On both uses the =
>method is=20
> around the same.<BR>><BR>>5. Senderella although showing =
>up as it=20
> is in Paris as vst does not let<BR>the<BR>>audio pass the =
>plugin, It=20
> stops in senderella so only WET signal can =
>be<BR>>send.<BR>>this=20
> is useful only for bussing say dsrumtracks to a cmpressor and =
>not=20
> need<BR>>to have also the dry tracks playing.<BR>>In that=20
> situation no wrapper needs for senderella.<BR>>But for full =
>use and=20
> potential senderella needs to be wrapped<BR>><BR>>6. =
>Wrappers that=20
> can be used are the FREE Spinaudio=20
> =
>lite<BR>> http://www.spinaudio.com/downloads.php?download_type=3D3& ;=
>download_id=3D33 =20
> which<BR>>can wrap ONLY one VST plugin.<BR>>So here you =
>can wrap=20
> one instance of senderella and use it as send=20
> for<BR>>reverbs.<BR>>If you buy Spinaudio ofcourse you can =
>have as=20
> many plugins wrapped as you<BR>>want.<BR>><BR>>7.. =
>Senderella=20
> by renaming its dll like send1,send2,send3 etc can be=20
> used<BR>as<BR>>many times as you want it is that=20
> simple.<BR>><BR>>8. you need to have 16bit files (empty) =
>on the=20
> receining senderella<BR>>instances.<BR>><BR>>9. If you =
>have=20
> multiple cards then use (if you want it across =
>submixes)<BR>>tracks=20
> 15 and 16 of your last card, so that all sending instances are=20
> bfore<BR>>these two.<BR>><BR>>10. On Me works but I =
>haven't got=20
> very stable resluts which may be my<BR>>computer though so =
>you could=20
> give some more tests but on XP works just=20
> fine<BR>>here.<BR>><BR>>11. So to come to its actual=20
> use<BR>>First you wrap as we said senderella, I prefer =
>chainer=20
> because chainer is<BR>>extremely stable and has some good=20
> functinality like dry and wet volumes<BR>>many slots midi =
>automation=20
> preset handling etc.<BR>>Note that here we need a VST =
>chainer/wrapper=20
> because senderella is only<BR>VST.<BR>>For UAD1 you can use =
>the same=20
> wrapper chainer and wrap the vst =
>versions<BR>of<BR>>VST.<BR>>HINT:=20
> If you buy chainer get the free Spinaudiolite and use its one=20
> instance<BR>>to wrap only chainer.<BR>>So UAD1 plugins =
>inside=20
> chainer will retain knob functionality and =
>lower<BR>the<BR>>latency=20
> down to 4096 samples for a normal UAD1 =
>plugin.<BR>><BR>>12. If you=20
> wanna use all things without buying anything you can doing=20
> this:<BR>>Get Spinaudiolite FREE and wrap=20
> senderella.<BR>>Get FFX4 DX chainer=20
> =
>free<BR>>http://vincent.burel.free.fr/download/ffx4_FullDemo3.zip<BR>&=
>gt;NOTE:=20
> FFX-4 wraps/chains ONLY DX plugins whereas Chainer wrapps/chains
=
>
> only<BR>>VST<BR>>HINT: From inside Chainer you can use =
>FFX-4 so=20
> have chainer to wrap DX and<BR>>VST....<BR>><BR>>13. =
>FFX-4 also=20
> has a low 4096 samples latency for UAD plugz. If you =
>think<BR>>that=20
> is big note that FXpansion wrapper that you guys were using =
>gives=20
> 16384<BR>>samples of latency !!<BR>><BR>>14. So you =
>wrap=20
> senderella with Spinaudiolite.<BR>><BR>>15. You put =
>senderella on=20
> the audio tracks you wanna send to a reverb, put<BR>>the send =
>volume=20
> accordingly and redirect (full to the right) =
>because<BR>>Spinaudio=20
> mixes two times the sound of the track)<BR>><BR>>16. On =
>audio=20
> tracks 15 and 16 you put two 16bit empty long files (5 =
>minutes<BR>>or=20
> more,whatever)<BR>>17. On track 15 you open as STEREO the =
>senderella=20
> again (spinaudiolite<BR>>wrapped) and put senderella as =
>receiver=20
> .<BR>>Then on next native slot you open FFX-4 on track 15 as =
>STEREO=20
> again.<BR>><BR>>18. You open from inside FFX-4 a UAD1 =
>reverb or=20
> any other DX reverb (like<BR>>DSPFX)<BR>>If you put UAD1 =
>rvereb=20
> you get 4096 latency.<BR>>If you put a
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