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| The place has gone to hell [message #57755] |
Sun, 04 September 2005 13:02  |
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| Re: The place has gone to hell [message #57813 is a reply to message #57811] |
Mon, 05 September 2005 09:55  |
dc[3]
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bad, but I'm starting
> to
> >>
> >> wonder
> >>
> >>>>if something else is going on that I'm missing. I'll do some more
troubleshooting
> >>>>as I get the time, but I would welcome any suggestions as to what may
> >>
> >> be
> >>
> >>>>another reason fkor the problem.
> >>>>I have a hard time believing that this mobo just doesn't like "black"
> >>
> >> rack
> >>
> >>>>drives.
> >>>>Rod
> >>
> >>
>USB 2.0 External drive bay could be your answer.... they're cheap too now.
AA
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message news:43455e37$1@linux...
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> Yeah, I'm using a short rounder cable, I've tried several, all with the
> same
> results. I've tried CS. The results are still the same. The guy is REALLY
> stuck on wanting the WHOLE computer black, or, I would just use the beige
> drive that works.
> I may just put the sys drive in an internal bracket and slap the cover
> over
> the hole and call it good, but this kind of bugs me, and I'd like to
> figure
> it out. I appreciate the suggestions. Keep those cards and letters coming.
>
> Rod
>
> EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>>Are you using a nice "short" high density IDE cable? Try CS mode on
>>the drive to see if this helps also.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Rod Lincoln wrote:
>>
>>> they say 66/100/133
>>> Rod
>>> EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Are these rated for 133?? I had a similar problem with 66 trays in XP.
>>>>
>>>>David.
>>>>
>>>>Rod Lincoln wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I'm building a computer for a friend to run cubase on. Got everything
>>>
>>> going
>>>
>>>>>fine, EXCEPT the mobile rack tray (IDE) for the system drive.
>>>>>Here's the history. I bought 2 of these on line (he wanted black, so
> I
>>>
>>> had
>>>
>>>>>to go with a different brand than I normally use) neither one of them
>>>
>>> worked
>>>
>>>>>I got "ERROR in READING DRIVE)
>>>>>on boot (this is the system drive). It is on ide bus 1 by itself and
> is
>>>
>>> set
>>>
>>>>>properly with the jumper for single master.
>>>>>I already tried different ide cables...no worky, BUT, when I switched
>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>a mobile rack that I use, it worked fine. So I figured it was just
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| Re: The place has gone to hell [message #57897 is a reply to message #57889] |
Tue, 06 September 2005 09:34 |
Nappy
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>Thanks!
Rod
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>Rod, I have sent it to you...
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message news:43468f5e$1@linux...
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>> D..where's the 4 slot free version? I can't find it.
>> Rod
>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>> >I don't know if anyone has come up to this but the free FFX4 DX chainer
>> or
>> >the commercial buy of FFX16 can load the UAD plugins with VU indications
>> and
>> >Preset handling.
>> >The latency is 4096 for a normal UAD plugin instance.
>> >Regards,
>> >Dimitrios
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| Re: The place has gone to hell [message #57902 is a reply to message #57897] |
Tue, 06 September 2005 11:36 |
Deej [1]
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;> D..where's the 4 slot free version? I can't find it.
> >> Rod
> >> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >> >I don't know if anyone has come up to this but the free FFX4 DX
chainer
> >> or
> >> >the commercial buy of FFX16 can load the UAD plugins with VU
indications
> >> and
> >> >Preset handling.
> >> >The latency is 4096 for a normal UAD plugin instance.
> >> >Regards,
> >> >Dimitrios
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>Are any Mac users using uad3.8 with paris 3.0?
Thanks,Eugene.
Gantt Kushner <gizmo@his.com> wrote:
>Ow! Thanks for the warning!
>
>Gantt
>
>Matt wrote:
>
>> in article 4342fc5d$1@linux, Eugene B at martinlancer@hotmail.com wrote
on
>> 10/4/05 3:04 PM:
>>
>> >
>> > Any mac users using uad 3.9 with paris 3.0?
>> > I'm using uad 3.41 but don't want to run into
>> > unexpeced problems as i am just finishing up
>> > a 12 song project in paris.
>>
>> 3.9 worked for me until I tried to render to disk with fx, then it crash
my
>> system every time. I'm using 3.7 with out any problems.
>I'm on the road gigging this weekend Eugene, but I'll try to remember to
check my UAD-1 version number when I get back home. I want to say I'm
running either 3.8 or 3.7. I should know this stuff off the top of my head,
but alas. . .
Tony
"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4346ee84$1@linux...
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> Are any Mac users using uad3.8 with paris 3.0?
> Thanks,Eugene.
>
>
>
> Gantt Kushner <gizmo@his.com> wrote:
>>Ow! Thanks for the warning!
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>Matt wrote:
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>>> in article 4342fc5d$1@linux, Eugene B at martinlancer@hotmail.com wrote
> on
>>> 10/4/05 3:04 PM:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Any mac users using uad 3.9 with paris 3.0?
>>> > I'm using uad 3.41 but don't want to run into
>>> > unexpeced problems as i am just finishing up
>>> > a 12 song project in paris.
>>>
>>> 3.9 worked for me until I tried to render to disk with fx, then it crash
> my
>>> system every time. I'm using 3.7 with out any problems.
>>
>One way to know if you are running uad3.8 is that 3.8
software rev. includes the precision eq.
Thanks. Eugene.
"Tony Benson" <t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a m p t o n.c o m> wrote:
>I'm on the road gigging this weekend Eugene, but I'll try to remember to
>check my UAD-1 version number when I get back home. I want to say I'm
>running either 3.8 or 3.7. I should know this stuff off the top of my head,
>but alas. . .
>
>Tony
>
>
>
>"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4346ee84$1@linux...
>>
>> Are any Mac users using uad3.8 with paris 3.0?
>> Thanks,Eugene.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gantt Kushner <gizmo@his.com> wrote:
>>>Ow! Thanks for the warning!
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>>
>>>Matt wrote:
>>>
>>>> in article 4342fc5d$1@linux, Eugene B at martinlancer@hotmail.com wrote
>> on
>>>> 10/4/05 3:04 PM:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Any mac users using uad 3.9 with paris 3.0?
>>>> > I'm using uad 3.41 but don't want to run into
>>>> > unexpeced problems as i am just finishing up
>>>> > a 12 song project in paris.
>>>>
>>>> 3.9 worked for me until I tried to render to disk with fx, then it crash
>> my
>>>> system every time. I'm using 3.7 with out any problems.
>>>
>>
>
>I just replaced my old Mac G3 with a Mac Dual 500Hz G4 in order to keep using
my Paris rig (Paris 3.0, sound card, MEC, and Control 16). I have a question
regarding which OS to use:
On the G3 I was running OS 9.2.1 and I have 9.2.1 loaded onto my G4, but
I’m told that 9.2.2 (with QuickTime 6.0.3 and Radeon 9.2.2) is more stable
and that, actually, the most stable system prior to OSX was probably OS 9.1.0
. Since the system is dedicated to Paris, can anyone share with me their
experience and advice regarding which OS works most seamlessly and efficiently
with Paris.
Many thanks!
Richard Faylor
RichardFaylor@aol.comMac os 9.22 is stable for paris 3.0 on my
G4 Dp867
Eugene
"Richard Faylor" <RichardFaylor@aol.com>
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| Re: The place has gone to hell [message #57924 is a reply to message #57921] |
Tue, 06 September 2005 14:29 |
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---=_linux43488518--thanks for the tip. the monitors are Tannoy NFM-8 II's. each monitor
has two bass ports located about 2 inches below the rim of the driver
and about 8 inches below the dual-concentric tweeter.
thanks again.
jon
On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:32:05 -0600, "Dave(EK Sound)"
<audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>If the enclosures are front ported, I would place the ports
>on the outside so the HF does not have to travel through
>port turbulence.
>
>my $.02
>
>David.
>
>jon chaikin wrote:
>> i'm using a pair of dual-concentric monitors that can be used standing
>> up or on their sides. when using speakers on their sides is it best
>> to have the drivers closest to the middle, or set up with the drivers
>> at the ends? i realize some of this is personal preference, but was
>> wondering what folks thought.
>>
>> thanks much.
>>
>> jonYup... I'm using 3.8 w/ a G4.
Gantt
Eugene B wrote:
> Are any Mac users using uad3.8 with paris 3.0?
> Thanks,Eugene.
>
> Gantt Kushner <gizmo@his.com> wrote:
> >Ow! Thanks for the warning!
> >
> >Gantt
> >
> >Matt wrote:
> >
> >> in article 4342fc5d$1@linux, Eugene B at martinlancer@hotmail.com wrote
> on
> >> 10/4/05 3:04 PM:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Any mac users using uad 3.9 with paris 3.0?
> >> > I'm using uad 3.41 but don't want to run into
> >> > unexpeced problems as i am just finishing up
> >> > a 12 song project in paris.
> >>
> >> 3.9 worked for me until I tried to render to disk with fx, then it crash
> my
> >> system every time. I'm using 3.7 with out any problems.
> >Just in wavelab record nothing for 1 sec and then copy this for hundreds of
times until you get say a 5 minute file.
then save as paf.
I will take next question :)
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:43487b76@linux...
> I made mine by putting Paris in record at the desired sample rate, looping
a
> digital input to a mixer in the patchbay for Paris and feeding it no
audio.
> AA
>
>
> "Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
news:43485317$1@linux...
> >
> > Hey D,
> > Thanks for the Email.
> > I am going to bombard you wiht questions soon.
> > I need to make a ghost of my sytem first.
> > How do you mak a silent PAF file?
> > Sorry if this is a dumb question.
> >
> > "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >>He,
> >>Yeah well,
> >>I didn't mean to make any harm to your system....
> >>
> >>EDSTransfer 8,16 is better and more relaxed than 8,8.
> >>I use this for 4-5 months now ,no problem at all.
> >>The 8,8 causes slow disk transfers with many tracks.
> >>
> >>Yes your old UAD1 wraps are 16384 samples long....
> >>Chainer is a way to go.
> >>But download this Spinaudio lite for free to wrap around chainer to
lower
> >>the latency to 4096 samples.
> >>That is 1/4 of your "working" latency.
> >>If you are adventureous inserts the FREE multifxvst inside chainer and
> >>then
> >>load UAD to go down to 2048 samples ! latent around 40ms...
> >>Not bad right ?
> >>Yes you were right about the compensation but at that special time it
did
> >>not work for me !!
> >>I guess I did something wrong then.
> >>Now this is a great method of compensating.
> >>Senderella is a great adventure to be taken for Paris.
> >>I hope and someone else will try it too and test it ...
> >>
> >>I will post all that I know about senderella and wrapping and
compensating
> >>in one long updated post....
> >>Cheers,
> >>Dimitrios
> >>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
news:4347d7f0@linux...
> >>>
> >>> Yeah this is they way I was thinking you could do it a while ago.
> >>> But I thought Senderella was not wokring unless you did the 8.8 ine in
> >>tghe
> >>> config.
> >>> wasn't that supposed to cause overheating?
> >>> Also I guess we'd want Chainer for more inserts for this.
> >>>
> >>> I need to get my head around these new numbers as I use that old DX
> >>wrapper
> >>> where aI do 4x100 to the left then
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>>>>
>>>>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............brains!
>>>
>>
>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
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>Yeah, I should clarify, what I actaully want to do is upgrade a tube mic,
>not transform a mxl2001 into a tube mic. A lower noise floor is the main
>goal.
Which mic are you looking to mod, Cuj? Just curious.
NeilPPa LD2ube.
There is a bit of a buzz, They have sent me 3 mics, they all do it.
It actually sound fairly nice. OF course a little edgy. New caps may smooth
this out? The jensen tranny may get me more low end detail. It also seems
to murk up in front of loud stuff, say a heavy drummer. But, it does this
in sort of a cool way.
Looks like buzz could be in the PS or mic not grounded to the chasis properly.
The buzz kills me though, oh and once in a while a get the Langoliers crunching
sound. This isn't so bad for rawk, but no good on an R&B track done whith
drum loops.
"Neil" <IUOIU@OI.com> wrote:
>
>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yeah, I should clarify, what I actaully want to do is upgrade a tube mic,
>>not transform a mxl2001 into a tube mic. A lower noise floor is the main
>>goal.
>
>Which mic are you looking to mod, Cuj? Just curious.
>
>Neil
>
>why not just record nothing in Paris. That's what I do. I have a :30 file
like that.
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>Just in wavelab record nothing for 1 sec and then copy this for hundreds
of
>times until you get say a 5 minute file.
>then save as paf.
>I will take next question :)
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:43487b76@linux...
>> I made mine by putting Paris in record at the desired sample rate, looping
>a
>> digital input to a mixer in the patchbay for Paris and feeding it no
>audio.
>> AA
>>
>>
>> "Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>news:43485317$1@linux...
>> >
>> > Hey D,
>> > Thanks for the Email.
>> > I am going to bombard you wiht questions soon.
>> > I need to make a ghost of my sytem first.
>> > How do you mak a silent PAF file?
>> > Sorry if this is a dumb question.
>> >
>> > "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>> >>He,
>> >>Yeah well,
>> >>I didn't mean to make any harm to your system....
>> >>
>> >>EDSTransfer 8,16 is better and more relaxed than 8,8.
>> >>I use this for 4-5 months now ,no problem at all.
>> >>The 8,8 causes slow disk transfers with many tracks.
>> >>
>> >>Yes your old UAD1 wraps are 16384 samples long....
>> >>Chainer is a way to go.
>> >>But download this Spinaudio lite for free to wrap around chainer to
>lower
>> >>the latency to 4096 samples.
>> >>That is 1/4 of your "working" latency.
>> >>If you are adventureous inserts the FREE multifxvst inside chainer and
>> >>then
>> >>load UAD to go down to 2048 samples ! latent around 40ms...
>> >>Not bad right ?
>> >>Yes you were right about the compensation but at that special time it
>did
>> >>not work for me !!
>> >>I guess I did something wrong then.
>> >>Now this is a great method of compensating.
>> >>Senderella is a great adventure to be taken for Paris.
>> >>I hope and someone else will try it too and test it ...
>> >>
>> >>I will post all that I know about senderella and wrapping and
>compensating
>> >>in one long updated post....
>> >>Cheers,
>> >>Dimitrios
>> >>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>news:4347d7f0@linux...
>> >>>
>> >>> Yeah this is they way I was thinking you could do it a while ago.
>> >>> But I thought Senderella was not wokring unless you did the 8.8 ine
in
>> >>tghe
>> >>> config.
>> >>> wasn't that supposed to cause overheating?
>> >>> Also I guess we'd want Chainer for more inserts for this.
>> >>>
>> >>> I need to get my head around these new numbers as I use that old DX
>> >>wrapper
>> >>> where aI do 4x100 to the left then sample slide 1058 or whatever to
>the
>> >>right
>> >>> again.
>> >>>
>> >>> You are an intrepid man D, the idea of messing with my working system
>> >>gives
>> >>> me nightmares
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>> >>> >Now the most obvious trick I missed (well didn't think that would
>work
>> >>but
>> >>> >it does !) was to just to nudge the audio tracks you wanna use with
>> >>> >senderella for 100ms to the left and just put in a slot after
>> >>> >senderella
>> >>> >voxengo (free) sample delay 384 samples to the right.
>> >>> >Remember 100ms=4480 samples - 384 = 4096
>> >>> >That is if you use Spinaudio wrapper that lowers buffer with a 4096
>UAD
>> >>> >plugin latency.
>> >>> >If you will use multifxvst then use 50ms nudge to the left and 182
to
>> > the
>> >>> >right ( 50ms=2240 - 192 = 2048)
>> >>> >Regards,
>> >>> >Dimitrios
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
>Yes well, I think because that is too easy !
:)
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:43496148$1@linux...
>
> why not just record nothing in Paris. That's what I do. I have a :30 file
> like that.
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >Just in wavelab record nothing for 1 sec and then copy this for hundreds
> of
> >times until you get say a 5 minute file.
> >then save as paf.
> >I will take next question :)
> >Regards,
> >Dimitrios
> >"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:43487b76@linux...
> >> I made mine by putting Paris in record at the desired sample rate,
looping
> >a
> >> digital input to a mixer in the patchbay for Paris and feeding it no
> >audio.
> >> AA
> >>
> >>
> >> "Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
> >news:43485317$1@linux...
> >> >
> >> > Hey D,<
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Wed, 07 September 2005 11:16 |
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and Neil Stubenhaus...whew!!!) and his sounded good. I talked to him after
the performance (he was an endorser, and he informed me that his SDS7 was
totally redone and not even close to the ones sold in stores, which he described
as total dogs. errrrrrrrr.
I sold them a couple of years later. I've never been so glad to unload something
in my life.
Rod
"DC" <dc@spamviagra.com> wrote:
>
>Seemed like the slutz were having some fun with that thread.
>
>
>What's your worst gear purchase?
>
>I'll go first.
>
>1969 My first electric guitar. Went to a thrift shop and there was a
>Jazzmaster that looked cool. Only 55.00! So, I sold a bunch of
>stuff and bought it. It needed a knob so I took it to the local
>Fender dealer and his service guy about fell off his chair. It was
>a cheap knockoff (Fender decal and all) from the Phillipines!
>(evidently some of the servicemen buy them and bring them back)
>
>No truss rod, green wood in the neck, wavy plastic on the pickguard.
>
>Total POS. Worth nothing.
>
>ArrgGGGGGHHHHH...
>
>I'm 16 right, and know nothing about guitars, but I do know I am
>in a world of caca, and now I have no money.
>
>So, I go back to the thrift store, having cooked up a story about
>having sold something that wasn't mine and now I am in trouble, and
>the guy gave me my 55.00 back...
>
>Whew...
>
>Went and bought a real Fender (Jaguar this time) and finally got my
>heartbeat down to 195 or so....
>
>DCI did a gig in Atlanta a couple of nights ago. I'm still touring with Will
Downing, but the gig was honoring legendary Jazz singer "Nancy Wilson". I
am not certain of her age...late sixties I'm guessing, but she sounded incredible!!!
She worked a mic in a way that is no longer in existence in today's music...truly
sad. Her vocals were clean...riffs were phenomenal and interpretation skills
outstanding!
Certainly a worth while performer to see if at all possible.
Tyrone"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>I did a gig in Atlanta a couple of nights ago. I'm still touring with Will
>Downing, but the gig was honoring legendary Jazz singer "Nancy Wilson".
I
>am not certain of her age...late sixties I'm guessing, but she sounded incredible!!!
>She worked a mic in a way that is no longer in existence in today's music...truly
>sad. Her vocals were clean...riffs were phenomenal and interpretation skills
>outstanding!
>
>Certainly a worth while performer to see if at all possible.
>
>Tyrone
>Thanks all for the feedback. I'm kicking myself for seeing DC's point about
low end detail, duh.
Cheers
MR
"Mike R." <emare@not.com> wrote:
>
>You know, I have read some reports that people actually percieve a difference
>between audio sampled at 44k, and audio sampled at 96k. I don't have any
>96k converters, or I'd give it a shot myself. In all things audio, I'd
trust
>this group's ears over
>m(any) others.
> If it is audible I'd propose three possiblities:
>-Our ears are much more sensitive than perviously thought or measured. (I'd
>tend to doubt this one...)
>-We do "hear" the higher frequencies, but with senses other than our ears.
> Perhaps our skin, or fine hair on the skin. Much like someone who is deaf
>"listens" to music, we are able to percieve the higher frequencies.
>or...
>-Its a sort of placebo effect. We think it's there, so it's there.
>Any thoughts???
>MRDimitrios, thanks for the effort to put this together. I'm adding this to
my "paris keepers" file.
MR
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>Ok,
>Due to the many posts that maybe misleading if you don't follow all of them
>in the right order I decided to summarize what I know regarding senderella
>and its use with Paris .
>
>1. Use inside Paris.cfg at the top the string EDSTransfer=8,16
.You
>could use 8,8 but this has problems with audio streaming. The 8,16 seems
>like the magical number, remember I tried them all....
>This is needed because then Senderella works realtime NO LATENCY as a buss
>inside Paris.
>Senderella seems like the greatest discovery amoung FREE plugins for Paris,
>link: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1433.html
>Senderella newest version has a redirect option so you can send the signal
>and not hear (or hear) the dry signal if you want.
>It has 64 bussses ! nad now saves its condition and prest (the version
>before could not) after saving your song.
>
>2. Senderella works across submixes ! but the latency in beetween submixes
>has to be taken into consideration.
>
>3. So possible uses are
>a} Use your favorite DX/VST/UAD1/POWERCORE /EXTERNAL DEVICE reverb as abuss
>with senderella.
>You occupy two Paris audio tracks for your reverb return using 16bit (24bit
>works too) silence paf file.
>Here you can create a long 5 minute file or bigger and have it in handy
>anytime you want it.
>b) Use your favourite compressor VST/DX/UAD!/POWERCORE/EXTERNAL for buss
>compression.
>
>4. On both uses the method is around the same.
>
>5. Senderella although showing up as it is in Paris as vst does not let
the
>audio pass the plugin, It stops in senderella so only WET signal can be
>send.
>this is useful only for bussing say dsrumtracks to a cmpressor and not need
>to have also the dry tracks playing.
>In that situation no wrapper needs for senderella.
>But for full use and potential senderella needs to be wrapped
>
>6. Wrappers that can be used are the FREE Spinaudio lite
> http://www.spinaudio.com/downloads.php?download_type=3&d ownload_id=33 which
>can wrap ONLY one VST plugin.
>So here you can wrap one instance of senderella and use it as send for
>reverbs.
>If you buy Spinaudio ofcourse you can have as many plugins wrapped as you
>want.
>
>7.. Senderella by renaming its dll like send1,send2,send3 etc can be used
as
>many times as you want it is that simple.
>
>8. you need to have 16bit files (empty) on the receining senderella
>instances.
>
>9. If you have multiple cards then use (if you want it across submixes)
>tracks 15 and 16 of your last card, so that all sending instances are bfore
>these two.
>
>10. On Me works but I haven't got very stable resluts which may be my
>computer though so you could give some more tests but on XP works just fine
>here.
>
>11. So to come to its actual use
>First you wrap as we said senderella, I prefer chainer because chainer is
>extremely stable and has some good functinality like dry and wet volumes
>many slots midi automation preset handling etc.
>Note that here we need a VST chainer/wrapper because senderella is only
VST.
>For UAD1 you can use the same wrapper chainer and wrap the vst versions
of
>VST.
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Wed, 07 September 2005 18:52 |
Michael Broyles
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> >7.. Senderella by renaming its dll like send1,send2,send3 etc can be used
> as
> >many times as you want it is that simple.
> >
> >8. you need to have 16bit files (empty) on the receining senderella
> >instances.
> >
> >9. If you have multiple cards then use (if you want it across submixes)
> >tracks 15 and 16 of your last card, so that all sending instances are
bfore
> >these two.
> >
> >10. On Me works but I haven't got very stable resluts which may be my
> >computer though so you could give some more tests but on XP works just
fine
> >here.
> >
> >11. So to come to its actual use
> >First you wrap as we said senderella, I prefer chainer because chainer is
> >extremely stable and has some good functinality like dry and wet volumes
> >many slots midi automation preset handling etc.
> >Note that here we need a VST chainer/wrapper because senderella is only
> VST.
> >For UAD1 you can use the same wrapper chainer and wrap the vst versions
> of
> >VST.
> >HINT: If you buy chainer get the free Spinaudiolite and use its one
instance
> >to wrap only chainer.
> >So UAD1 plugins inside chainer will retain knob functionality and lower
> the
> >latency down to 4096 samples for a normal UAD1 plugin.
> >
> >12. If you wanna use all things without buying anything you can doing
this:
> >Get Spinaudiolite FREE and wrap senderella.
> >Get FFX4 DX chainer free
> >http://vincent.burel.free.fr/download/ffx4_FullDemo3.zip
> >NOTE: FFX-4 wraps/chains ONLY DX plugins whereas Chainer wrapps/chains
only
> >VST
> >HINT: From inside Chainer you can use FFX-4 so have chainer to wrap DX
and
> >VST....
> >
> >13. FFX-4 also has a low 4096 samples latency for UAD plugz. If you think
> >that is big note that FXpansion wrapper that you guys were using gives
16384
> >samples of latency !!
> >
> >14. So you wrap senderella with Spinaudiolite.
> >
> >15. You put senderella on the audio tracks you wanna send to a reverb,
put
> >the send volume accordingly and redirect (full to the right) because
> >Spinaudio mixes two times the sound of the track)
> >
> >16. On audio tracks 15 and 16 you put two 16bit empty long files (5
minutes
> >or more,whatever)
> >17. On track 15 you open as STEREO the senderella again (spinaudiolite
> >wrapped) and put senderella as receiver .
> >Then on next native slot you open FFX-4 on track 15 as STEREO again.
> >
> >18. You open from inside FFX-4 a UAD1 reverb or any other DX reverb (like
> >DSPFX)
> >If you put UAD1 rvereb you get 4096 latency.
> >If you put a DX reverb you probably will get 0 latency !!, so no
> >compensation needed at all.
> >It ius like having AUX with DX effect for Paris !
> >
> >19. Now if you insist of using a UAD1 plugin reverb, the to compensate
you
> >do the following:
> >
> >You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on tracks 15 and
> >16-well even if you put it there too nothing will happen anyway- )100ms
> to
> >the left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of AnalogX DX
> >plugin because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST plugins NO LIMIT
> >Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the right.
> >Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to reverb return on tracks.
> >
> >That is for now.
> >Please ask questions so I can see where I did my wrong homework...
> >Regards,
> >Dimitrios
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>I just bought a used (modem-less) Mac G4 to dedicate to Paris. It's been years
since I first installed Paris 3.0 on my old G3 and have forgotten how the
installation process works. I still have my original order number, key number,
and response code, but are they still valid after all these years? And since
Paris is defunct, how and who would authorize the installation? Am I correct
in assuming that I need to connect a modem to the G4 for authorization through
the Internet or could I perform the authorization for my G4 through my old
G3 which does have a modem? (I have dial-up only.) And is there someone at
Ensoniq/E-Mu to perform the authorization or is it simply automated? Sorry
if I sound ridiculously stupid. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
--Richard.........which brings to mind the question, if Paris Hilton is screwing
someone in the woods and a tree falls on them, does it actually make a
sound?
"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:434a5b2b@linux...
> A thread about *nothing*
>
> Who will watch it?
>
>
> El Miguel
>
>
>
> "Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
> news:r7tjk1p7kdkt3m9m1go78iba4gue9h0gsn@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:26:28 -0600, "DJ"
> > <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >
> > >In order for this to be really effective, you need to record nothing,
> copy
> > >this to an adjacent track, invert the phase and then do a bounce.
> > >
> > >;oP
> > >
> > Now, that be some well-crafted nothing!
> >
> > yeah-- Chas
>
>Hmm, Is that the guy Joen Monterello that affilates with Mix Mag?
He told me there is a deductable. I thought it was 1000.00 that would mean
I would need a large loss for it to help. Btter thhan nothing but at 900.00
per year or so.
Please let me know more about what you find.
I am in need as well. Where is Music pro from and what did you here?
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Looking for some insurance and they seem to look pretty good.
>Was going to check out MusicPro,but I've been hearing some not
>great reviews as of late.Might check Clarion too.
> Heritage looks like no deductibles which is nice.
>
>TIA,
>PeteThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Dimitrios,
You a powerhouse of information! Your work with
Paris and associated plugins is great for us all.
A couple of questions:
#1) What do you mean by two times the sound?
Step 15: and redirect (full to the right) because
>Spinaudio mixes two times the sound of the track)
#2) Do you have problems with Paris automation with everything nudged?
If I have muted my tom tracks and nudge them the automation will
be off. If I nudge install effects and then mute toms would ths solve =
the problem?
>You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on tracks 15 =
and
>16-well even if you put it there too nothing will happen anyway- )100ms
to
>the left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of AnalogX DX
>plugin because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST plugins NO =
LIMIT
>Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the right.
>Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to reverb return on tracks.
>
If I could only wrap my head around all of this I'd be all set. The =
first time you posted
about Senderella and Chainer I used it for a while then my C drive =
became useless. I'm
still not sure why. I'm afraid to try it again now but that's just me. =
I think if I can
understand it clearly I'll be able to implement it more easily. =20
You are helping me with this explana
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Thu, 08 September 2005 08:45 |
Jamie K
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streaming.=20
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LATENCY as a buss<BR>>inside Paris.<BR>>Senderella seems =
like the=20
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want.<BR>>It has 64 bussses ! nad now saves its condition and =
prest=20
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song.<BR>><BR>>2. Senderella works across submixes ! but =
the=20
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consideration.<BR>><BR>>3. So possible uses are<BR>>a} =
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abuss<BR>>with senderella.<BR>>You occupy two Paris audio =
tracks=20
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silence paf=20
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and have=20
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favourite=20
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buss<BR>>compression.<BR>><BR>>4. On both uses the =
method is=20
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situation no wrapper needs for senderella.<BR>>But for full =
use and=20
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download_id=3D33 =20
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can wrap=20
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have as=20
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Senderella=20
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haven't got=20
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chainer=20
because chainer is<BR>>extremely stable and has some good=20
functinality like dry and wet volumes<BR>>many slots midi =
automation=20
preset handling etc.<BR>>Note that here we need a VST =
chainer/wrapper=20
because senderella is only<BR>VST.<BR>>For UAD1 you can use =
the same=20
wrapper chainer and wrap the vst =
versions<BR>of<BR>>VST.<BR>>HINT:=20
If you buy chainer get the free Spinaudiolite and use its one=20
instance<BR>>to wrap only chainer.<BR>>So UAD1 plugins =
inside=20
chainer will retain knob functionality and =
lower<BR>the<BR>>latency=20
down to 4096 samples for a normal UAD1 =
plugin.<BR>><BR>>12. If you=20
wanna use all things without buying anything you can doing=20
this:<BR>>Get Spinaudiolite FREE and wrap=20
senderella.<BR>>Get FFX4 DX chainer=20
=
free<BR>>http://vincent.burel.free.fr/download/ffx4_FullDemo3.zip<BR>&=
gt;NOTE:=20
FFX-4 wraps/chains ONLY DX plugins whereas Chainer wrapps/chains =
only<BR>>VST<BR>>HINT: From inside Chainer you can use =
FFX-4 so=20
have chainer to wrap DX and<BR>>VST....<BR>><BR>>13. =
FFX-4 also=20
has a low 4096 samples latency for UAD plugz. If you =
think<BR>>that=20
is big note that FXpansion wrapper that you guys were using =
gives=20
16384<BR>>samples of latency !!<BR>><BR>>14. So you =
wrap=20
senderella with Spinaudiolite.<BR>><BR>>15. You put =
senderella on=20
the audio tracks you wanna send to a reverb, put<BR>>the send =
volume=20
accordingly and redirect (full to the right) =
because<BR>>Spinaudio=20
mixes two times the sound of the track)<BR>><BR>>16. On =
audio=20
tracks 15 and 16 you put two 16bit empty long files (5 =
minutes<BR>>or=20
more,whatever)<BR>>17. On track 15 you open as STEREO the =
senderella=20
again (spinaudiolite<BR>>wrapped) and put senderella as =
receiver=20
.<BR>>Then on next native slot you open FFX-4 on track 15 as =
STEREO=20
again.<BR>><BR>>18. You open from inside FFX-4 a UAD1 =
reverb or=20
any other DX reverb (like<BR>>DSPFX)<BR>>If you put UAD1 =
rvereb=20
you get 4096 latency.<BR>>If you put a DX reverb you probably =
will=20
get 0 latency !!, so no<BR>>compensation needed at =
all.<BR>>It ius=20
like having AUX with DX effect for Paris !<BR>><BR>>19. =
Now if you=20
insist of using a UAD1 plugin reverb, the to compensate =
you<BR>>do=20
the following:<BR>><BR>>You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except =
for the=20
reverb return on tracks 15 and<BR>>16-well even if you put it =
there=20
too nothing will happen anyway- )100ms<BR>to<BR>>the left and =
put=20
voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of AnalogX =
DX<BR>>plugin=20
because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST plugins NO=20
LIMIT<BR>>Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the=20
right.<BR>>Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to =
reverb=20
return on tracks.<BR>><BR>>That is for now.<BR>>Please =
ask=20
questions so I can see where I did my wrong=20
=
homework...<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR >><BR>><BR>><BR>&=
gt;<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE ></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY=
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