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| Re: RP [message #94589 is a reply to message #94584] |
Thu, 10 January 2008 19:38  |
Deej
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4;charter.net" target="_blank">stevec1@charter.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I am still trying to configure this thing. If you hit apple and M
>you
>>>>>get
>>>>>>>>the mixer. How will you be able to see both? Remember I am running
>>2
>>>>MECs
>>>>>>>>and need to record on 24 tracks at the same time.
>>>>>>>>Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> assuming it's the same on a mac as pc you can access the second mec
>>>by
>>>>>>> clicking on it in the project window.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
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>Folks,
It's true! The original members of RTF, Chick, Al, Stanley, and Lenny, are
coming to a venue near you.
I haven't been this excited about a concert since I was a teenager!
Check it here: http://www.return2forever.com
I'm taking my 17 and 14 year old musician kids with me as they're playing
Portland, OR on June 6th.
AWESOME!
MarkRendezvous with Rama...
One of my top SF books.
Why hasn't this been made into a movie?
DC
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>He was super cool and ingeniously creative. I read a lot of his stuff
>back in the '70s and '80s.
>
>DC wrote:
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03 /18/AR2008031802346.html?hpid=moreheadlines
>>
>> This kind of sucks...
>>
>>
>> A major mind and writer.
>>
>>
>> DCYeah Baby!
They were great.
BTW, I just saw the Moody Blues here in Temecula, if any of
you can get out to any of their shows on this tour, DO it.
They were better last week than when I saw them in 1974.
DC
"Mark McDermott" <mark.nospam@stateofwail.com> wrote:
>
>Folks,
>
>It's true! The original members of RTF, Chick, Al, Stanley, and Lenny, are
>coming to a venue near you.
>
>I haven't been this excited about a concert since I was a teenager!
>
>Check it here: http://www.return2forever.com
>
>I'm taking my 17 and 14 year old musician kids with me as they're playing
>Portland, OR on June 6th.
>
>AWESOME!
>
>MarkBill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>Did Jesus say all people are not basically good?
No.
>I agree with Hubbard: what's real for you is real for you. I think that
>is as fair and true a statement as can be made. Make your own decisions
>and keep your own counsel.
Some things may be simply real.
best,
DC
>
>DC wrote:
>> But, (and I am speaking to you and Erling here), both the
>> "myth making" view of faith and the opinions of Hubbard (and
>> many others) about human nature became moot if the evidence for
>> Jesus is compelling.
>>
>>
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>> By the way, belief or non-belief in Jesus has absolutely nothing to do
>>> with Scientology. Scientology is not "faith-based". It is entirely
>>> empirically derived and the technologies of Scientology are experienced
>>
>>> daily by Scie
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| Re: RP [message #94599 is a reply to message #94589] |
Fri, 11 January 2008 04:50 |
Bill L
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you are really taking the first steps
> to
>>destroy a childs mind. In my eyes, religious brainwashing are just the
>>words
>
>>for this kind of doings. We are just giving our sivilization into the
>>hands
>
>>of our childrens future with the ways we're living the day.
>>
>>There have allways been good and bad sivilizations, that could live in
>>peace
>
>>or make war, that have really been colored by good or bad leaders. For me,
>
>>the old Bible is just a historical "cooking book" with recipes of ways to
>
>>live, after someone seeing and learning about good and bad ways to live,
>
>>told from mouth to mouth by good people up against thousand of years
>>before
>
>>someone could written the words down, with all that colorations the words
>
>>had got from mouth to mouth in those thousand of years before being
>>written
>
>>down.
>>I will just call it with few words: The Wisdom Words of Life.
>>
>>Thanks for listening.
>>
>>Erling
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>news:47e1929b$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Sorry, I misread your question.
>>>
>>> Jesus taught that all are lost and all are doomed by their
>>> sins. He never ever said people are basically good and
>>> this position is against everything he stood and died for.
>>>
>>> We can pursue this further if you like, but it is very clear.
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>>
>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>Did Jesus say all people are not basically good?
>>>>
>>>>No.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I agree with Hubbard: what's real for you is real for you. I think that
>>>>
>>>>>is as fair and true a statement as can be made. Make your own decisions
>>>>
>>>>>and keep your own counsel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Some things may be simply real.
>>>>
>>>>best,
>>>>
>>>>DC
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>DC wrote:
>>>>>> But, (and I am speaking to you and Erling here), both the
>>>>>> "myth making" view of faith and the opinions of Hubbard (and
>>>>>> many others) about human nature became moot if the evidence for
>>>>>> Jesus is compelling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> By the way, belief or non-belief in Jesus has absolutely nothing to
>>> do
>>>>
>>>>>>> with Scientology. Scientology is not "faith-based". It is entirely
>>>>>>> empirically derived and the technologies of Scientology are
>>>>>>> experienced
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> daily by Scientologists. Hubbard was trained as an engineer and he
>>>>>>> insisted that his technology be as workable and repeatable as e.g.
> the
>>>>
>>>>>>> formula for building a bridge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many Christians, Jews, what have you are also Scientologists - but
>>>>>>> saner, happier ones. Hubbard wrote, "What is true for you is what
> is
>>>>
>>>>>>> true for you."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>>>>> I just have one question for you both.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What would change in your beliefs if it could be shown that
>>>>>>>> the real Jesus was the one of the Bible? That all the best
>>>>>>>> evidence, when considered outside of philosophical
>>>>>>>> pre-commitments, shows that Jesus was who he said he was,
>>>>>>>> and the story of his origin, purpose, his life, death and
>>>>>>>> yes his resurrection, as shown in the Bible, is pretty much
>>>>>>>> spot-on?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What would happen to "faith as human myth-making and story
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| Re: RP [message #94600 is a reply to message #94584] |
Fri, 11 January 2008 07:55 |
TCB
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>>>>>>>> telling"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What would happen to Scientology?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it is true, would it not affect your beliefs profoundly? If so,
>>>>>>>> then I would suggest resolving this issue is an important task;
>>>>>>>> perhaps the most important of all the things we do in this
>>>>>>>> life.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What would happen to faith as mere human
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> All people are basically good and are trying to survive as they
>>>>>>>>> understand it. With that starting point you can understand and
>>>>>>>>> help
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> others. All people are basically good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> erlilo wrote:
>>>>>>>> Most of the difference and
>>>>>>>>>> problems are in the HUMAN made religions that's for the most have
>>>>a
>>>>>> culture
>>>>>>>>>> thousand of years back in the history. It's special to think it
>
>>>>>>>>>> over,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> bible was a product that's started our christian stories from the
>>>>Middle
>>>>>>>>>> East with stories about God and The Garden of Eden(in Iran) and
> all
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> wars
>>>>>>>>>> following up, long before someone could write at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Yeah, I had the 165, which is 2 space and older than the 166.
Cujo wrote:
> 166 is the one rack space stereo thing. I see them at clubs alot Sort of
> prosumerish, but still usable in my opinion. I touch overheads with mine.
> I have a couple 160X's. Mono one space rack units..I use em sparingly on
> Kick and Snare in to paris. Not bad on bass either.
>
>
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> I think I used to have a stereo version of that. It had a shiny black
>> plastic face and a kind of beveled metal border around it. Might have
>> been a 165 or 166? I remember it did bass really well.
>>
>> Mr. Simplicity wrote:
>>> W....O......****in W!!!!
>>>
>>> This thing is a real sonofabitch on rye. You must have it, or.......
>>>
>>>
>Airto and Flora were on Light as a Feather album (which blew my mind),
but that was pre-RTF. Not sure about Bill Connors. I know he was in
there somewhere.
Gantt Kushner wrote:
> Wasn't the original Return To Forever w/ Bill Conners on guitar and Airto
> on drums?
>
> Gantt
>
> "Mark McDermott" <mark.nospam@stateofwail.com> wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> It's true! The original members of RTF, Chick, Al, Stanley, and Lenny, are
>> coming to a venue near you.
>>
>> I haven't been this excited about a concert since I was a teenager!
>>
>> Check it here: http://www.return2forever.com
>>
>> I'm taking my 17 and 14 year old musician kids with me as they're playing
>> Portland, OR on June 6th.
>>
>> AWESOME!
>>
>> Mark
>Pretty much anything with Chick in it is like that. I saw he and his
wife, Gayle Morran, ex-Mahavishnu Orchestra singer, do a duet of My
Favorite Things, a la Coltrane and I was literally brought to tears when
Chick played those big magnificent chords and soloed over them.
Sarah wrote:
> It wasn't the original configuration, but I saw RTF's Musicmagic tour back .
> . . whenever that was . . . and it was truly stunning. Jaw-dropping.
>
> S
>
>
> "Mark McDermott" <mark.nospam@stateofwail.com> wrote in message
> news:47e18514$1@linux...
>> Folks,
>>
>> It's true! The original members of RTF, Chick, Al, Stanley, and Lenny, are
>> coming to a venue near you.
>>
>> I haven't been this excited about a concert since I was a teenager!
>>
>> Check it here: http://www.return2forever.com
>>
>> I'm taking my 17 and 14 year old musician kids with me as they're playing
>> Portland, OR on June 6th.
>>
>> AWESOME!
>>
>> Mark
>
>Personally, repeat *personally*, I think some creepy, disgusting Dark
Ages priests said "all are lost and doomed by their sins". That is their
control mechanism: "Do what we say or burn forever in Hell. Only I know
the truth." Personally, I think that kind of coercion is disgusting.
I prefer to believe Jesus was full of love and trust and belief in the
goodness of man.
DC wrote:
> Sorry, I misread your question.
>
> Jesus taught that all are lost and all are doomed by their
> sins. He never ever said people are basically good and
> this position is against everything he stood and died for.
>
> We can pursue this further if you like, but it is ver
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| Re: RP [message #94602 is a reply to message #94600] |
Fri, 11 January 2008 09:01 |
Bill L
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ay all people are not basically good?
>> No.
>>
>>
>>> I agree with Hubbard: what's real for you is real for you. I think that
>>> is as fair and true a statement as can be made. Make your own decisions
>>> and keep your own counsel.
>>
>> Some things may be simply real.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> DC
>>
>>> DC wrote:
>>>> But, (and I am speaking to you and Erling here), both the
>>>> "myth making" view of faith and the opinions of Hubbard (and
>>>> many others) about human nature became moot if the evidence for
>>>> Jesus is compelling.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>> By the way, belief or non-belief in Jesus has absolutely nothing to
> do
>>>>> with Scientology. Scientology is not "faith-based". It is entirely
>>>>> empirically derived and the technologies of Scientology are experienced
>>>>> daily by Scientologists. Hubbard was trained as an engineer and he
>>>>> insisted that his technology be as workable and repeatable as e.g. the
>>>>> formula for building a bridge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many Christians, Jews, what have you are also Scientologists - but
>>>>> saner, happier ones. Hubbard wrote, "What is true for you is what is
>>>>> true for you."
>>>>>
>>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>>> I just have one question for you both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would change in your beliefs if it could be shown that
>>>>>> the real Jesus was the one of the Bible? That all the best
>>>>>> evidence, when considered outside of philosophical
>>>>>> pre-commitments, shows that Jesus was who he said he was,
>>>>>> and the story of his origin, purpose, his life, death and
>>>>>> yes his resurrection, as shown in the Bible, is pretty much spot-on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would happen to "faith as human myth-making and story
>>>>>> telling"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would happen to Scientology?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it is true, would it not affect your beliefs profoundly? If so,
>>>>>> then I would suggest resolving this issue is an important task;
>>>>>> perhaps the most important of all the things we do in this
>>>>>> life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would happen to faith as mere human
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> All people are basically good and are trying to survive as they
>>>>>>> understand it. With that starting point you can understand and help
>>>>>>> others. All people are basically good.
>>>>>>> erlilo wrote:
>>>>>> Most of the difference and
>>>>>>>> problems are in the HUMAN made religions that's for the most have
>> a
>>>> culture
>>>>>>>> thousand of years back in the history. It's special to think it over,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> bible was a product that's started our christian stories from the
>> Middle
>>>>>>>> East with stories about God and The Garden of Eden(in Iran) and all
>>>> the
>>>>>> wars
>>>>>>>> following up, long before someone could write at all.
>I'll only post this in response to your two posts since this topic is not
only off topic, but also unpopular:
Actually the Bible says Romans 3:22-24 "22 This righteousness from God comes
through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified
freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."
Some use "turn or burn" tactics, but I don't agree with that approach. At
the same time, the "do whatever feels right to you" mentality is also
fatally flawed. Between those two is where Jesus taught - we aren't
perfect, and will never be on our own (anyone that disagrees, please attempt
to go a whole day without making a mistake of any kind, whether in action,
how you talk to someone else, or how you think ;-). Only through God's
grace and by his love can be be perfected in Him - not perfect humans, but
loved perfectly (i.e. beyond what we practice and understand in human love)
The point of the above passage, and the idea that we have all sinned is that
we can't receive God's grace and forgiveness, and become "righteous" in His
sight by our own power, deeds or merit. It isn't a scare tactic even though
it has been used that way.
We have to accept and believe that Jesus, not only loves us, but also took
the burden of our own sin upon himself by dying on the cross and being
raised from the dead to reunite with His Father - this became the symbol of
what "being saved" is all about - allowing old ways to die, and a new life
to begin, not just living a good life. This is how the concept of being
sinners really becomes a beautiful thing - we aren't doomed to pay for our
mistakes forever. There is hope. We also can't keep making the same
mistakes without consequences, whether earthly or heavenly (the former is
common sense - keep hitting your thumb with a hammer, eventually you'll
break it ;-).
In practice the change is real, and the heart does take on a new perspective
on our own lives, responsibilities, people around us, etc. We don't stop
making mistakes (but that's what forgiveness is for - not excuses, but
second chances), and we don't become perfect humans, but now we have hope
beyond what the world has to offer.
Happy Easter all,
Dedric
On 3/20/08 8:03 AM, in article 47e27184@linux, "Bill L"
<bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
> Personally, repeat *personally*, I think some creepy, disgusting Dark
> Ages priests said "all are lost and doomed by their sins". That is their
> control mechanism: "Do what we say or burn forever in Hell. Only I know
> the truth." Personally, I think that kind of coercion is disgusting.
>
> I prefer to believe Jesus was full of love and trust and belief in the
> goodness of man.
>
>
> DC wrote:
>> Sorry, I misread your question.
>>
>> Jesus taught that all are lost and all are doomed by their
>> sins. He never ever said people are basically good and
>> this position is against everything he stood and died for.
>>
>> We can pursue this further if you like, but it is very clear.
>>
>> DCAlright, in my senseless teenage giddyness I did say the "original" members
and that was totally incorrect!
Being a guitarist of 37+ years, I only got into RTF when Al joined the band.
I apologize for my error. Also, alert the media as I have now made my first
mistake. ;)Me too. Go figure.
Mark McDermott wrote:
> Alright, in my senseless teenage giddyness I did say the "original" members
> and that was totally incorrect!
>
> Being a guitarist of 37+ years, I only got into RTF when Al joined the ban
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| Re: RP [message #94606 is a reply to message #94594] |
Fri, 11 January 2008 18:20 |
chuck duffy
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ctics, but I don't agree with that approach. At
> the same time, the "do whatever feels right to you" mentality is also
> fatally flawed. Between those two is where Jesus taught - we aren't
> perfect, and will never be on our own (anyone that disagrees, please attempt
> to go a whole day without making a mistake of any kind, whether in action,
> how you talk to someone else, or how you think ;-). Only through God's
> grace and by his love can be be perfected in Him - not perfect humans, but
> loved perfectly (i.e. beyond what we practice and understand in human love)
>
> The point of the above passage, and the idea that we have all sinned is that
> we can't receive God's grace and forgiveness, and become "righteous" in His
> sight by our own power, deeds or merit. It isn't a scare tactic even though
> it has been used that way.
>
> We have to accept and believe that Jesus, not only loves us, but also took
> the burden of our own sin upon himself by dying on the cross
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| Re: RP [message #94610 is a reply to message #94606] |
Fri, 11 January 2008 18:52 |
dc[3]
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gt;in your storytellings to a child, you are really taking the first steps
to
>destroy a childs mind. In my eyes, religious brainwashing are just the words
>for this kind of doings. We are just giving our sivilization into the hands
>of our childrens future with the ways we're living the day.
>
>There have allways been good and bad sivilizations, that could live in peace
>or make war, that have really been colored by good or bad leaders. For me,
>the old Bible is just a historical "cooking book" with recipes of ways to
>live, after someone seeing and learning about good and bad ways to live,
>told from mouth to mouth by good people up against thousand of years before
>someone could written the words down, with all that colorations the words
>had got from mouth to mouth in those thousand of years before being written
>down.
>I will just call it with few words: The Wisdom Words of Life.
>
>Thanks for listening.
>
>Erling
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:47e1929b$1@linux...
>>
>> Sorry, I misread your question.
>>
>> Jesus taught that all are lost and
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| Re: RP [message #94654 is a reply to message #94644] |
Sun, 13 January 2008 15:27 |
Martin Harrington
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aseball coach...seriously.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:04:54 -0600, Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com>
wrote:
>
>Let's just say for the moment, for the sake of argument, that Al Gore is
>a cheese sandwich. OK? And on another side, Let's say Exxon is a tofu
>burger. Alright? Let's just say they are both inconsequential, however
>you want to visualize that, so we can let all of that go and talk about
>something more fundamental.
>
>What if the scientists are right that the greenhouse gases (which
>actually DO help keep the planet warm enough for human habitation or we
>wouldn't be here talking about it - those gases) what if they DO retain
>additional heat when we add to them faster than natural cycles can
>mitigate?
>
>That's a reasonable possibility. Retaining heat is what greenhouse gases
>do. As a simple analogy, put on a more insulated blanket at night and
>you're likely to be warmer, overall.
>
>Possible changes in the atmosphere and the likely repercussions are what
>many professional and reasonably sane scientists are reporting and
>discussing.
>
>There is a real chance something is happening in the atmosphere due to
>human contributions to greenhouse gases. Which means there's a real
>chance we have to deal with it one way or another. Proactively or
>reactively. And it's very likely to be easier to deal with sooner than
>later.
>
>When a Michigan congressman who is one of the main defenders of the auto
>industry in Washington starts talking plainly about the ramifications of
>human contributions to greenhouse gases, that's news.
>
>It's not enough to merely tar him as a Democrat. This is the guy who
>held up updating CAFE. He has not been shy about representing the auto
>industry.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>> This is what i've been saying. When Al Gore buys global offsets for ten cents
>> and sells them for a dollar, it's a big bunch of money making bullshit!
>> Now this trilateralist bureaucrat bunch of SOBs are going to try to make
>> it a sin tax that we will all have to pay. You know once the government
>> gets a tax passed through they will never repeal it. We will be paying it
>> for then on! It's a scare tactic to cow the people in to believing this
>> bunch of bullshit. There is no significant man made global warming, it's
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Sun, 13 January 2008 16:14 |
Aaron Allen
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>>>
>>i'm rural, live on a dirt road, live on a township line so neither
area police of fire depts. want to respond and oh yeah, they tax the
shit out of me to pay for schools 25 miles away.
On 21 Mar 2008 12:59:19 +1000, "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
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>You can be truly free in America. You can choose to farm the land, depend
>on no one and pay no (income) tax. In many rural areas of the country you
>can pay no or nominal property taxes. It is entirely possible.
>
>This utopian freedom has bounds:
>
>At some point you may get sick.
>
>Chuck
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>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>For me the Dream has always been true freedom, quality health care, food,
>>shelter, minimal government, clean air and neighbors who actually care about
>>each other. Money is just the gambit that has been used to leverage our
>>day to day needs and make us all slaves. Like the bullshit energy crisis.
>> Where are the "new" ideas to decouple us from oil.....fucking nowhere.
>
>>This government is horseshit.test what...i need more info please...
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:10:00 -0500, "jeremy luzier" <Report message to a moderator
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| Re: RP [message #94658 is a reply to message #94656] |
Sun, 13 January 2008 16:26 |
Martin Harrington
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ke Paris, if I delete, I mean delete... don't
make me close the program so I have to clean up all those monster files...
hopefully someone understands what I mean here... And the plugins that
came with Cubase are... ummm... can you spell TERRIBLE! I tried to adjust
the ones that I played with and I must say... WHAT were they thinking! They
need lessons with plugins from Paris. An example is the chorus... I apply
that to a track and sheesh... why waste my time. I max'd the thing out...
not much of a difference. Is there plugins that go from mono to stereo,
like in Paris.. or is that just a Paris plugin thingy?
I like the fact that Cubase LE is free with my device... but I am hopeful
that there is something else out there that operates similar to Paris...
Anyone?the tower of babel wasn't about different languages it's about
different ideas of god. we can all agree that a tree is a tree no
matter in what language but god and salvation is quite a different
animal.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:15:58 -0600, Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net>
wrote:
>I'll only post this in response to your two posts since this topic is not
>only off topic, but also unpopular:
>
>Actually the Bible says Romans 3:22-24 "22 This righteousness from God comes
>through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23
>for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified
>freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."
>
>Some use "turn or burn" tactics, but I don't agree with that approach. At
>the same time, the "do whatever feels right to you" mentality is also
>fatally flawed. Between those two is where Jesus taught - we aren't
>perfect, and will never be on our own (anyone that disagrees, please attempt
>to go a whole day without making a mistake of any kind, whether in action,
>how you talk to someone else, or how you think ;-). Only through God's
>grace and by his love can be be perfected in Him - not perfect humans, but
>loved perfectly (i.e. beyond what we practice and understand in human love)
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| Re: RP [message #94659 is a reply to message #94658] |
Sun, 13 January 2008 16:31 |
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>The point of the above passage, and the idea that we have all sinned is that
>we can't receive God's grace and forgiveness, and become "righteous" in His
>sight by our own power, deeds or merit. It isn't a scare tactic even though
>it has been used that way.
>
>We have to accept and believe that Jesus, not only loves us, but also took
>the burden of our own sin upon himself by dying on the cross and being
>raised from the dead to reunite with His Father - this became the symbol of
>what "being saved" is all about - allowing old ways to die, and a new life
>to begin, not just living a good life. This is how the concept of being
>sinners really becomes a beautiful thing - we aren't doomed to pay for our
>mistakes forever. There is hope. We also can't keep making the same
>mistakes without consequences, whether earthly or heavenly (the former is
>common sense - keep hitting your thumb with a hammer, eventually you'll
>break it ;-).
>
>In practice the change is real, and the heart does take on a new perspective
>on our own lives, responsibilities, people around us, etc. We don't stop
>making mistakes (but that's what forgiveness is for - not excuses, but
>second chances), and we don't become perfect humans, but now we have hope
>beyond what the world has to offer.
>
>Happy Easter all,
>Dedric
>
>
>On 3/20/08 8:03 AM, in article 47e27184@linux, "Bill L"
><bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
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>> Personally, repeat *personally*, I think some creepy, disgusting Dark
>> Ages priests said "all are lost and doomed by their sins". That is their
>> control mechanism: "Do what we say or burn forever in Hell. Only I know
>> the truth." Personally, I think that kind of coercion is disgusting.
>>
>> I prefer to believe Jesus was full of love and trust and belief in the
>> goodness of man.
>>
>>
>> DC wrote:
>>> Sorry, I misread your question.
>>>
>>> Jesus taught that all are lost and all are doomed by their
>>> sins. He never ever said people are basically good and
>>> this position is against everything he stood and died for.
>>>
>>> We can pursue this further if you like, but it is very clear.
>>>
>>> DCWhat version of LE is it?
Ed wrote:
> Hey guys (and gals)... I have setup my new firewire studio and I been tracking
> in Cubase LE that came with the program. Although the sonics seems ok and
> maybe it's just because I am new to Cubase... but is there something better
> out there for tracking that resembles Paris? I have dual monitors and there
> is no way to make use of this in Cubase... It creates a new version of the
> track each time.. but unlike Paris, if I delete, I mean delete... don't
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| Re: RP [message #94665 is a reply to message #94658] |
Mon, 14 January 2008 00:46 |
Erling
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languages it's about
>different ideas of god. we can all agree that a tree is a tree no
>matter in what language but god and salvation is quite a different
>animal.
>
>On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:15:58 -0600, Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net>
>wrote:
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>>I'll only post this in response to your two posts since this topic is not
>>only off topic, but also unpopular:
>>
>>Actually the Bible says Romans 3:22-24 "22 This righteousness from God
comes
>>through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,
23
>>for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified
>>freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."
>>
>>Some use "turn or burn" tactics, but I don't agree with that approach.
At
>>the same time, the "do whatever feels right to you" mentality is also
>>fatally flawed. Between those two is where Jesus taught - we aren't
>>perfect, and will never be on our own (anyone that disagrees, please attempt
>>to go a whole day without making a mistake of any kind, whether in action,
>>how you talk to someone else, or how you think ;-). Only through God's
>>grace and by his love can be be perfected in Him - not perfect humans,
but
>>loved perfectly (i.e. beyond what we practice and understand in human love)
>>
>>The point of the above passage, and the idea that we have all sinned is
that
>>we can't receive God's grace and forgiveness, and become "righteous" in
His
>>sight by our own power, deeds or merit. It isn't a scare tactic even though
>>it has been used that way.
>>
>>We have to accept and believe that Jesus, not only loves us, but also took
>>the burden of our own sin upon himself by dying on the cross and being
>>raised from the dead to reunite with His Father - this became the symbol
of
>>what "being saved" is all about - allowing old ways to die, and a new life
>>to begin, not just living a good life. This is how the concept of being
>>sinners really becomes a beautiful thing - we aren't doomed to pay for
our
>>mistakes forever. There is hope. We also can't keep making the same
>>mistakes without consequences, whether earthly or heavenly (the former
is
>>common sense - keep hitting your thumb with a hammer, eventually you'll
>>break it ;-).
>>
>>In practice the change is real, and the heart does take on a new perspective
>>on our own lives, responsibilities, people around us, etc. We don't stop
>>making mistakes (but that's what forgiveness is for - not excuses, but
>>second chances), and we don't become perfect humans, but now we have hope
>>beyond what the world has to off
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| Re: RP [message #94817 is a reply to message #94808] |
Thu, 17 January 2008 09:43 |
IOUOI
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nsive to most Muslims,
esp. extremists. Islam is in many ways more conservative than conservative
Christianity when it comes to controlling/restricting social behavior, strictness
of discipline, and certainly in their belief that society (and all people)
*must* adhere to that belief, by force if necessary - there is no freedom
of choice in that mindset, only freedom to die. Imho, it isn't a stretch
to say that a non-faith based society isn't going to win points with Bin
Laden's friends by nature, not just action. But on a larger scale, there
is no end to loss of unity, deviation and ever changing rationalization without
a pervading, encompassing morality nudging people in the same direction *with*
regard, respect and caring for one another regardless of other differences.
And that, in essence, is the crux of the problem on both sides.
dt
"Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>Dedric,
>
>Wow....this one went around the bend PDQ. Maybe we should start small bites,
>like discussing this article:
>
>http://dineshdsouza.com/books/enemy-intro.html
>
>There is a lot there to think about. that has nothing to do with race.
>
>;o)
>DeejWhat way would you suggest that the savior of humanity come to
earth, but as one of us? Maybe even a bit lower and more disreputable
than most, (after all, what a story huh?) Someone who lived a real life,
not a cartoon one, and died a real death for the highest cause of all.
And that is the question. What really happened? Answer that and
you may pop right out of the matrix...
DC
ps I hear his next visit is going to be much, much more impressive....
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>i guess the other question is what religion declares a preteen girl
>who gets impregnated by an infinitely old god by a surrogate angel and
>pins the deed on a 30 something old carpenter as okey dokey and
>savior of us all??? not wanting to be critical but...if it were today
>people would be calling for the old eye for an eye thing and ignoring
>the vengeance is mine sayeth the lord...finishing of the phrase thing.
>
>On 22 Mar 2008 07:52:37 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>>
>>Hell, I wouldn't even send Thad to hell!
>>
>>grin
>>
>>No one has any right to say any of those things. Personally, I
>>believe I am in more danger of hell than someone who lives as
>>an honest atheist all their lives and give Jesus a chance on their
>>deathbed.
>>
>>I cannot pass judgment on anyone's eternal destiny.
>>
>>The question that concerns me this Easter is answering the
>>question of what we would see
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Fri, 18 January 2008 16:51 |
Martin Harrington
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capabilities of this system. I don't quite have my head around the CR =
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cans,=20
though the click is working. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If I can satisfy myself that this =
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C88C78.DF52F860--Cool stuff. "Park" almost has a reggae thing in addition to the cool
doowop and urban vibe. I like it. Make out with your wife music!
I do love you. Romantic stuff. I am pretty unfamiliar with Billy, but
I sure like him. It's like 70's soul without the schmaltz...
Summertime rules! He riffs all over the tune without losing the essence
of it at all. Great stuff.
Look Back and Smile is great too. I love the guitar thing between
verses.
It's all good man, and made me feel much better thanks!
Now check this out. I saw the Moody Blues last week and they kicked
butt all over the building. Those guys are in their 60's now and are
better than when I saw them in 74. Sooo , I have been in a rut with my
guitar playing and I decided to learn a few Moodies tunes.
So far, I have this one down:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=D1dK85I10DM
and this one:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=3XNry6m3Kwo
I have been doing Night in White Satin for years and it still knocks me
out. Now if I could just sing like that.
It's been terrific to learn these tunes and I am getting back to my own
with more passion.
Anyway, music is the best.
take care
DC
"Nappy" <juggler9@rock.com> wrote:
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>Oh,
>I forgot,check"Look Back and smile"
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>"Nappy" <juggler9@rock.com> wrote:
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>>I thought I'd post a topic that everyone here is into,MUSIC!
>>Some artist just blow me away,this is one.
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