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| Re: Yet another "what if . . . ? " [message #93264 is a reply to message #93256] |
Sun, 02 December 2007 11:39   |
steve the artguy
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>>>>> slightly slower cpu (since it's a model from early last year), for
$400
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>>>> less
>>>>
>>>>> than the comparable Macbook, but otherwise, pretty much identical (it
>>>>>
>> does
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>>>>> have a partially aluminum case, and feels better than the Macbooks
I've
>>>>>
>>>>> tried).
>>>>>
>>>>> There has to be a reason Apple only has a minority share of the personal
>>>>>
>>>>> computer market... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't trying to knock Apple, and I'm not attached to my PCs (other
>>>>>
>> than
>>
>>>>> the significant investment in software that is costly to replace or
>>>>> crossgrade) - just saying that imho, Shelly's reasoning is based on
the
>>>>>
>>>> fact
>>>>
>>>>> that he's enamoured with the chique (sp?) of Apple, rather than just
>>>>> getting
>>>>>
>>>>> what he needs, and that without a mystical, glorious Keynote unveiling
>>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>>> trend setting products, that chique doesn't last long. Imho, that
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| Re: Yet another "what if . . . ? " [message #93316 is a reply to message #93314] |
Tue, 04 December 2007 19:36 |
Sarah
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t;>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
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>On 20/1/08 11:21 AM, in article 479285f4$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> OMG! That's an Apple background on the screen of that Dell.
>
> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
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>> Costco is out delling dell on dells right now :-)
>>
>> http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11210767&am p;whse=BC&topnav=&bro
>> wse=〈=en-US&s=1
>>
>> Chuck
>> "Stephen Stecyk" <smp@smppro.com> wrote:
>>> I was wondering if anyone might have suggestions as to what the best laptop
>>
>>> on the market is today. I have the rare opportunity to get one, with a
>> "sky
>>> is the limit" budget. To make a long story short, my wife is going to
> be
>>
>>> laid up for about 6 weeks and requires the use of a laptop to do her work.
>>
>>> Once we started talking, we realized that between the both of us, we could
>>
>>> put it to good use: her for her business use, and me with remote music
>
>>> possiblities. So we decided to go hog wild and split the cost.
>>>
>>> So far, I'm tossing between a HP Pavilion HDX and a Dell XPS M2010.
>>> Primarily, we want a 20" laptop with lots of power (both CPU and memory).
>>
>>> If Apple made a 20" laptop, I'd be all over it, but what can you do.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>
>
Ahha
I know of a lot of people that are running OSX on a Dell, and many other
PC's as well...including yours truly.Typing as we speak on one.
Martin HJamie,
"Don't audio unit plugins get their own address space (I don't know, just
>wondering)? "
This is a good question, and the short answer is no AFAIK... Plugins live
within the resource constraints of the host application.
Chuck
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>Dedric Terry wrote:
>> Hey Jamie - I agree completely - Shelly was venting more than reviewing.
>>
>> Regarding the tricked out Mac pro vs. satellites, yes, it would make
>> sense to go with a single machine, if the host apps could allocate a
>> full 64-bit address space to Kontakt, etc, but from what I've read so
>> far on the East West/Soundsonline forum, they can't (Logic included I
>> think). That's only a matter of time though - just not sure when or how
>> long it will be.
>
>Don't audio unit plugins get their own address space (I don't know, just
>wondering)? But anyway since OSX has 64 bit memory addressing, you're
>probably right that over time more apps will take advantage of it.
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>> There may be a few other limitations to running a full blown orchestral
>> lib a la VSL or EWQL Symphonic Platinum
>> on a single machine, but we are getting closer no doubt. Such a rig
>> would need at least 16G - 32 preferrably, so it's not
>> a cheap move when there are working satellite systems already in place.
>
>No, not cheap, but it
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| Re: Yet another "what if . . . ? " [message #93317 is a reply to message #93316] |
Tue, 04 December 2007 20:32 |
DJ
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's probably more flexible use of the RAM than
>spreading it out over multiple boxes. If it's in one box you can use it
>for other apps more easily.
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>> On the single quad - didn't even see that. Still a bit pricey compared
>> to a single-quad, single socket PC (I'm guessing the MacPro motherboard
>> is still a dual socket with a single quad - those boards are around $400
>> I think, and the single Xeon is more than the conroe Quad, which I can
>> get for $300). For the difference with the Mac Pro, even at $500, I
>> would go dual quad. It's a difference of allocating a machine for
>> samples, or video playback (which is hard to justify in the $2k and up
>> range), vs. buying a host system. For a host though, dual quad would be
>> the way to go, and I probably will this year. There the Mac prices are
>> certainly competitive.... I just can't get Sequoia ported to Mac.....and
>> my Adobe CS3 web suite that I need to manage my site has no platform
>> crossgrade plan (pretty lame imho - probably the only company I know of
>> that has either/or platform licensing).
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>Yep, that is lame. Luckily the Mac can run MSWindows in another, uh,
>window, via Parallels or that other VM.
>
>With the single quad, you could presumably add the other quad later to
>almost double the speed. Nice expandability for anyone who's $500 short
>of affording the dual quad. But yeah, I'd buy the dual quad from the
>getgo if I were buying right now.
>
>
>> The other issue for the time being is that Nuendo is running 10-15%
>> faster on XP than Leopard. Hopefully that will change though.
>> I'd love to have a 1:1 choice between them - then it comes down to fun
>> and convenience. Mac wins there.
>
>Interesting, I wonder if the optimizations are needed on the OSX side,
>if it's a Nuendo porting problem, or both.
>
>
>> Btw - I really do admire Apple's attention to design, form and function
>> and making products that do in fact set a high standard for
>> the industry in general. It's really a great product line. Lovin' my
>> iPod Touch.
>
>Glad to hear you made up with your errant Touch! I hope it learned a
>valuable lesson by being left at home for a while. :^)
>
>Don't show it to me when I come over or I might be tempted to get the
>next rev. :^)
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:47913a5b@linux...
>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>> Hey Jamie - I really didn't intend to get this far into this, and
>>>> don't really have time
>>>> to continue much more.
>>>
>>> I'm with ya, bro.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was just sharing my opinion on Shelly Palmer's report
>>>> saying that while I'm sure there was quite a bit of tongue in cheek
>>>> to his opening comments,
>>>> he at least was pointing out why people spend more on Macs when they
>>>> could get the
>>>> job done for much less - marketing, pure and simple.
>>>
>>> OK, but I didn't get that from his piece, my complaint is about his
>>> illogic and hyperbole, kinda takes away from his credibility.
>>>
>>> But anyway we can kick around the relative value another time...from
a
>>> bigger picture perspective that includes initial price, capabilities,
>>> subjective feel, administration time, longevity and resale.
>>>
>>> If it were just simply marketing they wouldn't have me as a customer.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Just to get more to the point of options - show me where I can get a
>>>> Mac desktop tower with a single quad
>>>> core cpu system.
>>>
>>> Go to the Apple store online. Take the stock duo quad and subtract a
>>> quad in the configuration options. Drops the price a bit...$500.
>>>
>>> But I think the default 2.8GHZ dual quad is the sweet spot this time
>>> around for value - if you can use the power. The price is
>>> significantly lower than last month, and it's an improved version (new
>>> chipset, faster buses, better graphics).
>>>
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| Re: Yet another "what if . . . ? " [message #93321 is a reply to message #93312] |
Tue, 04 December 2007 23:28 |
Tom Bruhl
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>>> dropping the Mac clones long ago think it saved the company).
>>>
>>>
>>>> If I could get a MacMini with the option to trick it out with 8G and
>>>> a second SATA drive it would be seriously enticing
>>>> for peripheral sample libraries (you need to come down and see this
>>>> in action - it's a beautiful thing to offload that much
>>>> processing). I know other composers that would have gone that route
>>>> as well, were it not
>>>> for the ram limitation. Seriously - it's a good deal for that
>>>> purpose since it isn't overstocked with extras one wouldn't need for
>>>> such a use, and the form factor would be really nice for stacking
>>>> away in a computer room.
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to seeing your setup!
>>>
>>> I don't know much about the Mac Mini's expansion options.
>>> Lessee...looks like 2GB is it.
>>>
>>> But wouldn't an 8 core box with a ton of RAM (holds up to 32GB now) be
>>> able to keep up with separate smaller computers, and be a bit more
>>> convenient at that?
>>>
>>> I'd prefer to have it all in one box (like I do now with the dual G5,
>>> although I'm not using some of the more demanding libraries like you
>>> are).
>>>
>>> When I get the new laptop I might experiment with Logic's networking
>>> feature, just to see how well it works to have some instruments and FX
>>> running on another box. But the dual G5 is holding its own, so far.
>>> Might be able to hold out for a 16 core box to replace the G5, in
>>> another year or so... :^)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4791204e@linux...
>>>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>>>> Now why did you think I was criticizing Apple with hyperbole?
>>>>>> Could it be
>>>>>> that Apple skin is just a little thin? And... I don't recall a
>>>>>> desktop release with more than
>>>>>> 3 models... so, "every" means "every". That's not called
>>>>>> hyperbole, it's called history. ;-))
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe I misunderstood you. I saw "hyperbole" in your statement only
>>>>> because you switched from talking about laptops, to talking about
>>>>> "desktop models," claimed they were only 2K and up, and said there's
>>>>> no range below that for people who don't need "blinding speed" to
>>>>> write book reports.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact there is a range of suitable Macs below that. In both
>>>>> laptops and "desktops." Plenty fast for writing reports. Overkill even.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, both iMacs and Mac Minis are desktop machines.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now about that skin thing. I don't know how thick Apple's skin is,
>>>>> but on a regular apple it's thin enough to eat. Thinner than a
>>>>> Macbook Air. ;^)
>>>>>
>>>>> I personally don't care if you criticize Apple. I love that you buy
>>>>> non-Mac boxes, somebody has to.
>>>>>
>>>>> But if your claims aren't consistent, logical and true then I can't
>>>>> protect you in the wild world of time wasting computer bashing
>>>>> conversations. :^)
>>>>>
>>>>> There are plenty of criticisms to be made without hype. For example,
>>>>> the lack of firewire on the Air limits its market. Also, and this is
>>>>> my biggest criticism right now, WHERE'S MY #(*$&@#$ing UPDATED
>>>>> MACBOOK PRO WITH THE LED BACKLIT 17" HD SCREEN!!!!!!???? :^)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> By "blinding speed" I seriously meant a dual quad in general - any
>>>>>> dual quad. You are missing
>>>>>> the whole market of families that on average probably have about
>>>>>> $1k to spend on a computer to serve
>>>>>> everyone, and when faced with a full desktop with monitor included,
>>>>>> or a cube with limited expansion and
>>>>>> I/O capabilities, and monitor additional, where do you think they
>>>>>> will go?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well lessee, I'm not missing any markets. I don't sell computers.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I were that struggling young family I'd buy a Linux box and be
>>>>> done with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So it sounds like what you would like to see is a Mac under $1000
>>>>> with dual quad chips? In time we'll probably see that. But right
>>>>> now, not. However, the core 2 duos in the low end Macs are no slouches.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just sayin' that the PC aisle at CompUSA
>>>>>> and BestBuy are always busier than the Apple sections, and the
>>>>>> number of PC options dwarfs the Mac shelves
>>>>>> significantly. This isn't our market, so it's easy to overlook it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't overlooked the obvious. I'm not arguing that point. Did
>>>>> you think I was claiming that Macs outsell all other computers? Not
>>>>> hardly.
>>>>>
>>>>> But as long as we're digressing, notice that the aisles at CompUSA
>>>>> are shrinking fast, while Apple stores are popping up like flies.
>>>>> Apple's market share is growing, FWIW. It's scary. PEOPLE, STOP
>>>>> BUYING MACS! :^)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing wrong with Macs,
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL! OK, that's BS. :^)
>>>>>
>>>>> There's plenty wrong with Macs. Just less than some of the other
>>>>> options, depending on your needs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > but you have to admit that the general culture
>>>>>> and approach of Apple is "build loyalty by limiting choices
>>>>>> both on the way in and when it comes time to upgrade".
>>>>>
>>>>> Heh. Now I think you're projecting because you choose to use
>>>>> MSWindows, from a company that has been _convicted_ of limiting
>>>>> choices in the marketplace.
>>>>>
>>>>> How far off topic are we now? This is turning into a boring PC/Mac
>>>>> bashfest. Woo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> DT
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4791026d@linux...
>>>>>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>>>>>> I was actually just referring to the fact that with every Mac
>>>>>>>> release, there are three desktop models,
>>>>>>>> usually starting at $2k and going up - this round, $2799 is the
>>>>>>>> starting price, and only options for dual quad cores,
>>>>>>>> no range below that for people who don't need "blinding speed" to
>>>>>>>> write book reports ;-).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, but you don't need a tower to write book reports. A Mac Mini
>>>>>>> will do fine for under $1k.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's entirely possible to criticize the Mac without hyperbole, ya
>>>>>>> know. :^)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are 2 laptop model choices, ranging between $1100 and $2800
>>>>>>>> for one of the six base models. In the PC world
>>>>>>>> there are choices in each category at pretty much every $100
>>>>>>>> increment,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right, because there are more companies making hardware for
>>>>>>> MSWindows boxes. That's an advantage because there is more range
>>>>>>> of choice, and a disadvantage because they all have to dance to
>>>>>>> the MSWindows beat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple has fewer boxes but they control everything on those boxes.
>>>>>>> That's a disadvantage because of the fewer choices, and an
>>>>>>> advantage because there is less to go wrong or be incompatible,
>>>>>>> and if anything does goes wrong, a single company can fix it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> starting at $300 and going up to $10k+. Not that I would buy a
>>>>>>>> $300 desktop, but I still come back to the laptop I'm typing this
>>>>>>>> on, costing significantly less than the least expensive Macbook
>>>>>>>> (current) and only a slightly slower cpu (since it's a model from
>>>>>>>> early last year), for $400 less than the comparable Macbook, but
>>>>>>>> otherwise, pretty much identical (it does have a partially
>>>>>>>> aluminum case, and feels better than the Macbooks I've tried).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds like you like your computer. Great!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There has to be a reason Apple only has a minority share of the
>>>>>>>> personal computer market... ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are many reasons. It would take too long to recount the
>>>>>>> history here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wasn't trying to knock Apple, and I'm not attached to my PCs
>>>>>>>> (other than the significant investment in software that is costly
>>>>>>>> to replace or crossgrade) - just saying that imho, Shelly's
>>>>>>>> reasoning is based
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| Re: Yet another "what if . . . ? " [message #93324 is a reply to message #93321] |
Wed, 05 December 2007 02:32 |
Sarah
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gt;>>>>> Choice is good. Competition is good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple no more has its customers where it wants them than Microsoft
>>>>>>> has theirs well thumbed over. For example you yourself are trapped
>>>>>>> in Microsoftland by your committed investments there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> re: BeOS.... same here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep. Sigh... Yet another reason to mistrust Apple, to an extent,
>>>>>>> and Microsoft to a much larger extent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4790eeca@linux...
>>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Shelly's complaints, however generalized, pretty much echo that
>>>>>>>>>> of every PC user who's passed on going the Mac route:
>>>>>>>>>> There is one price point with Apple Macs: $2000 and up. Sure,
>>>>>>>>>> more computer is more computer, but most people just don't need
>>>>>>>>>> the bleeding edge for $2-4k to email Aunt Sally and store the
>>>>>>>>>> family photo album.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think that's what he's saying. The box he's complaining
>>>>>>>>> about _is_ under $2K (configured the way most people who care
>>>>>>>>> about price would buy it). Just because he stupidly overpaid for
>>>>>>>>> his Mac doesn't mean others will. But if that's your complaint,
>>>>>>>>> there are Macs for less than $2k.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If the general complaint about Apple is price, then it should be
>>>>>>>>> noted that the new desktop boxes are less expensive than Dell's,
>>>>>>>>> and the new super light notebook is less expensive than Sony's
>>>>>>>>> (and under 2K in the standard configuration).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The MacBook, feels cheap, and while it has good specs and isn't
>>>>>>>>>> really out of line with a comparable PC laptop, it sits alone
>>>>>>>>>> in it's sub $2k price point in the Apple lineup.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Other than the Mac Mini and iMac. Oh, you mean laptops. Yes,
>>>>>>>>> except for the low end MacBook Pro and the new MacBook Air, sans
>>>>>>>>> flash drive. As for "feeling cheap," the MacBook does have a
>>>>>>>>> plastic case. But my wife has one (G4 version); it seems
>>>>>>>>> reasonably rugged and has held up well. It also gets better
>>>>>>>>> wireless reception than my metal-clad Powerbook.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My laptop cost $750 and has comparable specs to the Macbook,
>>>>>>>>>> but with more I/O (it's closer to the Macbook pro in feature
>>>>>>>>>> set - not psyched about Vista on it, but I can't deny it gets
>>>>>>>>>> the same job done for a lot less money).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's good to have choices. Apple is only one choice. If another
>>>>>>>>> choice is better for you, by all means buy it. If everyone
>>>>>>>>> bought a Mac, Apple would be insufferable. :^)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Competition is good. On the flip side, if Apple weren't pushing
>>>>>>>>> the envelope, the other companies building commodity MSWindows
>>>>>>>>> boxes would be less motivated to give you stuff you like. So
>>>>>>>>> keep buying what moves you, be it Apple or someone else.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The same is true of desktops. So his point is based on his
>>>>>>>>>> opening comments about being enamoured with all things Apple.
>>>>>>>>>> Sure, he could have gone cheaper, but money is hardly a concern
>>>>>>>>>> for Shelly considering his success - it's just a reference point
>>>>>>>>>> that he could have spent 1/3 of what he did and accomplished
>>>>>>>>>> the same amount of work, but being enamoured with Apple, he
>>>>>>>>>> goes for the gold instead. In other words, he's a victim of
>>>>>>>>>> clever marketing - getting you to buy way more than you need or
>>>>>>>>>> want.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can't speak for him, but I didn't buy way more than I need or
>>>>>>>>> want, and I have a Mac.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When you have the option to pay $1000 or less and get the same
>>>>>>>>>> job done (depending on what job you are trying to accomplish of
>>>>>>>>>> course), vs. going with a brand mainly to be brand loyal and
>>>>>>>>>> hip while having no choice under $2-4k or more, how else do you
>>>>>>>>>> evaluate the two options?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you're implying that the only reason people buy Macs is to be
>>>>>>>>> "brand loyal and hip," you're wrong. That doesn't apply to most
>>>>>>>>> of the Mac users I know, who own Macs to get work done and chose
>>>>>>>>> them as the preferred tool given the options. Frankly, I would
>>>>>>>>> rather be using BeOS but that choice was torpedoed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> His comparison may not be technically fair on the Air, but he
>>>>>>>>>> is right - when it comes down to getting the job done, any
>>>>>>>>>> advantage to Air vs a regular laptop fade away pretty quickly,
>>>>>>>>>> and you are left with a much smaller drive for a lot more money.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Obviously the Air made compromises in order to be thin and
>>>>>>>>> light. This will only be a benefit for those to whom thin and
>>>>>>>>> light is a compelling enough advantage to outweigh (so to speak)
>>>>>>>>> any down side. :^)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's a narrowly aimed product, and I'm not surprised that people
>>>>>>>>> outside of the target market miss the point. I think he phoned
>>>>>>>>> it in because he complained about non-Air-specific-issues,
>>>>>>>>> blatantly exaggerating to do so, while missing real issues with
>>>>>>>>> the Air.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:4790ddca$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A good read but not a great analysis. He phoned it in.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "I’m walking around with a $4,700 MacBook Pro laptop that
>>>>>>>>>>> could easily be replaced by $1,500 Windows kit."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If price were the issue, he would have paid a lot less for the
>>>>>>>>>>> MacBook Pro and added 3rd party RAM at considerable savings.
>>>>>>>>>>> So he blows his credibility right off the top with that
>>>>>>>>>>> exaggerated comparison.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "It costs $1,799 for the base model. But, set up the way
>>>>>>>>>>> anybody who needs a computer would have to set it up, it’s a
>>>>>>>>>>> $4,000 1.6Ghz, 64GB box. The same 4k buys you a mind-blowing
>>>>>>>>>>> Vista box or a smokin’ MacBook Pro."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hypberbole. He's blaming Apple for the cost of a solid state
>>>>>>>>>>> drive. This makes no sense. Notice that the price he complains
>>>>>>>>>>> about is the price WITH the flash drive option. Yet Apple
>>>>>>>>>>> actually charges less than street price to add that drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If price is the issue, it's too soon to buy a 54GB solid state
>>>>>>>>>>> drive on ANY laptop, not just Apple's. Also, he adds the SSD
>>>>>>>>>>> to the MacBook Air and then compares that configuration to
>>>>>>>>>>> laptops without an SSD. If that's the comparison, then he
>>>>>>>>>>> should compare the $1700 non-SSD version of the Air to the
>>>>>>>>>>> other subnotebooks. And at that point he has little point.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He could have complained about the lack of firewire or groused
>>>>>>>>>>> about the need for an adapter to use ethernet, but he didn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "The movie studios like this, I like it! However, Wall Street
>>>>>>>>>>> didn’t seem to like it at all. Apple shares were down $9.74 to
>>>>>>>>>>> $169.04 the day after Steve’s speech."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The article I linked the other day showed that Apple shares
>>>>>>>>>>> usually go down after the keynote. Also, the entire market
>>>>>>>>>>> took a hit on Wednesday for issues not directly related to a
>>>>>>>>>>> speech by Steve Jobs. :^)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "I really wanted to see something really great and useful from
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple this week. On the top of my wishlist was a true
>>>>>>>>>>> sub-notebook. Something I could throw in a portfolio or
>>>>>>>>>>> briefcase for short hops."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since he's not complaining about a lack of ports, I don't know
>>>>>>>>>>> why the Air doesn't fulfill that role for him. Maybe he's too
>>>>>>>>>>> cool to buy the base version with the hard drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He did like the movie rentals, which I t
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| Re: Yet another "what if . . . ? " [message #93325 is a reply to message #93321] |
Wed, 05 December 2007 02:40 |
Erling
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hink may be the most
>>>>>>>>>>> important announcement of MacWorld for future impact on
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple's growth. He did like the Time Capsule, which is at
>>>>>>>>>>> least interesting. He hates the iPhone and AT&T, so he'll just
>>>>>>>>>>> have to keep complaining about that until their exclusive
>>>>>>>>>>> relationship ends.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Neil wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> A great read once again from Mr. Palmer...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jackmyers.com/commentary/shelly-palmer-report/138 65472.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>I just remembered that Camelion Labs has a pre that is supposed to be
sort of close to a Neve and fairly inexpensive. It won the Electronic
Musician award for best new pre last year. Might be worth a listen.
zmora wrote:
> I tried Brent Averill mic preamp model 1272.Amazing, I like this kind of sound
> but price....Too expensive for my budget.
> Anyone know Grace Design model 101?Im interesting in this preamp, price is
> on my level.Please, some suggestion.You might want to check the Presonus Firestudio.
Ed wrote:
> Hi folks. Anyone got one of these.. tested it, etc?
>
> I am not unhappy with my Paris, but I am thinking of moving to this type
> of FW device... mainly for the surround sound mixing. And if that works,
> I'd want to track and record in it too.
>
> I read piles of reviews... but they all seam'd generic. I haven't really
> seen a good review of taking it for a real test on a Pent 4 or other processors.
> I see it requires XP, but are there talks about Vista support? Appreciate
> a little detail on what you found. Not just the... yeah man, it's ok...
> lol.
>
> Thanks... ~ Ed
>nah, more like Kenny G gayEast West's Play will use the full address space on a Mac in standalone
mode, and can circumvent the limit within 32-bit hosts running on a 64-bit
Mac and use the extra RAM. The host still has the limit and other plugins
are limited to the usual 3.2G or so.
Afaik, this is the only VSTi plugin at the moment, other than some
standalone options, that can do this.
Dedric
On 1/19/08 5:41 PM, in article 47928a8f$1@linux, "chuck duffy" <c@c.com>
wrote:
>
> Jamie,
>
> "Don't audio unit plugins get their own address space (I don't know, just
>> wondering)? "
>
> This is a good question, and the short answer is no AFAIK... Plugins live
> within the resource constraints of the host application.
>
> Chuck
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>> Hey Jamie - I agree completely - Shelly was venting more than reviewing.
>>>
>>> Regarding the tricked out Mac pro vs. satellites, yes, it would make
>>> sense to go with a single machine, if the host apps could allocate a
>>> full 64-bit address space to Kontakt, etc, but from what I've read so
>
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for ram and processor compatibility. The Kingston memory is not
an exact match. I'm looking at: KVR800D2K2/2GR and Gigabyte recommends:
KVR800D2N5/1G. Do you think this is OK?
I'm probably not going with the Cooler Master psu, but does will 500W be
enough? I'm planning on running two more hd's (audio and backup drives)
and one DVD rom player in the box.
Thanks amigos
MRHey Chris!
Thanks for the response. I'm trying to put together an audio machine to
run Reaper. I was looking at that biostar board, but changed directions
pretty quick. I posted a parts list, as a new post, just a little bit ago.
Its always kind of daunting to build from scratch, but I had pretty good
luck building my Paris rig, so I'm plugging my nose and jumping in!
MR
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Mike,
>if you are using it for a office machine then it will maybe work fine.
>as an audio machine I would run away screaming.
>
>If you read the memory report you will that they say it can use up to 4
>gigs i.e 2x 2gigs sticks but they have not tested 2 gigs sticks on their
>list.
>I bet there is a 99% chance they have not tested it with any 2 gigs sticks.
>
>Via chipset and poor quality integrated video = death.
>
>What are you going to be using the machine for?
>
>
>Chris
>
>
>mike r wrote:
>> I'm looking at this mobo:
>> http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/content.php?S_ID=290#
>>
>> It says that it supports up to 4gb of ram: ddr2 533. Will a mobo rated
for
>> this ram speed run ddr2 667? I'm guessing it will "see" and run the 667,
>> but only allow it to run at 533 -yes?
>> Thanks!
>> MR
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762Cool you'll probably be fine then
TCB wrote:
> It was a typo, it's a 1720 and the interfaces I'll be using with it are either
> the NI Traktor Skratch thing (USB 2) or an RME multiface. I'll have to get
> the RME Express card if I want to use it but that's not a huge deal.
>
> TCB
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>> HI Thad,
>> What re you using for an audio interface on the laptop?
>> Not sure on the 1710 but on most of the other current Dells they use
>> both Ricoh and Agere firewire chip sets. Neither will be as compatible
>> or perform as well as TI or Via FW chipsets.
>> If you machine has a express card then you might be able to bypass that
>>
>
>
>> limitation by using a 2 port fw400 express card with a TI chipset.
>> I only see the 1720 on their web site is the 1710 a refurb?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> TCB wrote:
>>
>>> Just to further cloud the issue of what costs too much in the computer
>>>
> department,
>
>>> I ordered a new laptop today. It's going to be a combination office and
>>>
> DJ
>
>>> machine for me. I WANTED hefty and big, more screen space for writing/testing
>>> code and more weight to make it harder to knock off the table while I'm
>>>
> working
>
>>> the wax.
>>>
>>> So, Dell Inspiron 1720. 17" wide screen display, I upgraded to a 1920
>>>
> x 1200
>
>>> resolution, Core 2 Duo at 2.0 Ghz, 256 MB nVidia 8600m GT video card,
>>>
> 1 GB
>
>>> of memory (I'll upgrade that with Crucial after the fact), 120 GB SATA
>>>
> drive
>
>>> (again, I'll upgrade that later).
>>>
>>> $1280 including tax and shipping.
>>>
>>> Opinions?
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762HI Mike,
Mike R wrote:
> Ok, finally, after some months of thought, and saving, I'm ready to buy into
> a new system. Keeping Paris, but I wanted to give Reaper a go. Currently
> I'm running two computers to work stuff up, and I'd like to try out a "total"
> ITB solution. Here's the parts list:
>
> Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core
> Processor - Retail
> 279.99 (includes fan and heat sink)
>
Awesome. Oh and it can be over clocked but I'd get a 3rd party heat sink
if you wanna try that.
If you are looking to make the machine quiet then I'd highly recommend
the Noctua NH-U12P CPU heat sink whether or not you are over clocking.
Also their Case fans are the best ones on the market.
> COOLER MASTER eXtreme RP-500-PCAR ATX from factor 12V V2.01 500W Power Supply
> - Retail
> Item #: N82E16817171018 (will I need more power?)
> 39.99
>
If you plain on filling up the hard drives and PCI/PCI-e slots then I'd
yes you will be a bit more juice. You can get quiet power supplies in
the 650w and 750w range.
I'd recommend one some of the Thermaltake, Corsair, Antec models with
cable management.
> GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
> Supports: Intel Core™ 2 Quad Q6600 2.40HGz 8MB Kentsfield 65nm G0 95W 1066
> F2
> 89.99
>
Good board choice. We use the the big brother of that board the GIGABYTE
GA-P35-DS4 Rev. 2.0.
Do you require Firewire. The DS3L does not have it.
If you do and you don't want to use a PCI PCI-e slot to do then I'd
recommend the board we are using. It uses TI firewire and works quite good.
> Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3160815AS 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
> - OEM
> 52.99
>
>
excellent drive
> Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
> Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KVR800D2K2/2GR - Retail
> 46.99
>
>
I'd go for OCZ, Super Talent, Corsair, Crucial brands personally. Get
ones that CL4 at least. This will give a little better performance for
VSTi and low latency audio.
> I'm, currently, shopping at Newegg. The prices seem competitive. I've checked
> the mobo for ram and processor compatibility. The Kingston memory is not
> an exact match. I'm looking at: KVR800D2K2/2GR and Gigabyte recommends:
> KVR800D2N5/1G. Do you think this is OK?
>
New Egg has decent prices and very good over all support for a large
online part company so I would say you should be fine ordering from them.
> I'm probably not going with the Cooler Master psu, but does will 500W be
> enough? I'm planning on running two more hd's (audio and backup drives)
> and one DVD rom player in the box.
>
>
You don't mention the Case or the video card. Your old video card WILL
NOT work. If you are reusing an old case make sure it is a mid-sized or
full sized ATX.
Also current motherboards only have 1 IDE port. So only 2 IDE devices
can be attached.. You will be using one of these for your DVD/CD drive.
Your audio. Samples drive will need to be SATA. IF you need to buy new
ones then the Seagate 16meg and 32 meg cache drives will be great choices.
I'd recommend these fanless dual head video cards.
GIGABYTE GV-NX86T256H GeForce 8600GT 256MB
XFX PVT86JUAHG GeForce 8500GT 256MB
EVGA 256-P2-N749-LR GeForce 8500GT 256MB
> Thanks amigos
> MR
>
Chris
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762Okay, went to one day of the NAMM show and said
bugger it, and grabbed the family and went to Havasu.
Man, I had actually forgotten what nice air smells like...
I have to get out of SoCal more often. This is cool.
Going to see London Bridge and the river tomorrow.
The Colorado river is one of the purest, beautiful,
almost elemental things on earth.
Then on Monday we head to Quartzite for the gem and
mineral show. Need some quartz to go on top of the
studio monitors.
Take a break. Get away. I'm glad I did.
NAMM-schmamm One day was enough.
Great show, saw some old friends (man I miss running into
SSC at shows!) but even on Friday there were too damn
many people there. Business-wise a good show for the
vendors, said everyone I spoke to.
Big news? umm yeah... Gibson and TC are doing a merger.
That's right Gibson guitar, as in Henry's company, and
the Danish outfit TC are merging.
This cannot be good.
DCIt seems you're using a Plextor burner with their Professional
software? As far as I remember, there's standing plenty about these
things in the helpfile. I have 2 Plextor 755A and found out that the
best recording results for audio was with 16X speed on Verbatim cd's.
I also remember Brian T reported 16x was giving best results with his
"newly buied" Plextor CDburner some years ago.
Erling
On 19 Jan 2008 22:42:44 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>i'm burning on cheap cdrs and they seem to play great. i'm seeing C1 errors
>as maximum 31, average 0.23, total 992 on a single cd with 0 c2 errors.
>
>What does this mean in laymans practical terms please and do i care? I know
>taiyo yudens are the bomb cd but what does this error really mean? What
>if the cd is going to be commercially duplicated?
>
>Thanks.Sounds like a blast!
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>Okay, went to one day of the NAMM show and said
>bugger it, and grabbed the family and went to Havasu.
>
>Man, I had actually forgotten what nice air smells like...
>
>I have to get out of SoCal more often. This is cool.
>
>Going to see London Bridge and the river tomorrow.
>The Colorado river is one of the purest, beautiful,
>almost elemental things on earth.
>
>Then on Monday we head to Quartzite for the gem and
>mineral show. Need some quartz to go on top of the
>studio monitors.
>
>Take a break. Get away. I'm glad I did.
>
>NAMM-schmamm One day was enough.
>
>Great show, saw some old friends (man I miss running into
>SSC at shows!) but even on Friday there were too damn
>many people there. Business-wise a good show for the
>vendors, said everyone I spoke to.
>
>Big news? umm yeah... Gibson and TC are doing a merger.
>
>That's right Gibson guitar, as in Henry's company, and
>the Danish outfit TC are merging.
>
>This cannot be good.
>
>DC
>i'm using a variety of burners and nero cd / dvd speed to test withChris,
Thank you for responding. ALL of the feedback will be very helpful. I really
appreciate your expertise. Regarding the ram, I'd rather go with Crucial,
but the Kingston was the only stick I could find that was close to what Gigabyte
recommended. Is it critical to only get the sticks on their list, or can
I change it up? I also thought about getting a vid card, but, for the moment,
I'm going to hold off -budget issues.
Once again Chris, thanks.
MR
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Mike,
>
>
>Mike R wrote:
>> Ok, finally, after some months of thought, and saving, I'm ready to buy
into
>> a new system. Keeping Paris, but I wanted to give Reaper a go. Currently
>> I'm running two computers to work stuff up, and I'd like to try out a
"total"
>> ITB solution. Here's the parts list:
>>
>> Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core
>> Processor - Retail
>> 279.99 (includes fan and heat sink)
>>
>Awesome. Oh and it can be over clocked but I'd get a 3rd party heat sink
>if you wanna try that.
>
>If you are lo
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Wed, 05 December 2007 07:46 |
Erling
Messages: 156
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oking to make the machine quiet then I'd highly recommend
>the Noctua NH-U12P CPU heat sink whether or not you are over clocking.
>Also their Case fans are the best ones on the market.
>
>
>> COOLER MASTER eXtreme RP-500-PCAR ATX from factor 12V V2.01 500W Power
Supply
>> - Retail
>> Item #: N82E16817171018 (will I need more power?)
>> 39.99
>>
>If you plain on filling up the hard drives and PCI/PCI-e slots then I'd
>yes you will be a bit more juice. You can get quiet power supplies in
>the 650w and 750w range.
>
>I'd recommend one some of the Thermaltake, Corsair, Antec models with
>cable management.
>
>> GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
>> Supports: Intel Core™ 2 Quad Q6600 2.40HGz 8MB Kentsfield 65nm G0 95W
1066
>> F2
>> 89.99
>>
>
>Good board choice. We use the the big brother of that board the GIGABYTE
>GA-P35-DS4 Rev. 2.0.
>Do you require Firewire. The DS3L does not have it.
>If you do and you don't want to use a PCI PCI-e slot to do then I'd
>recommend the board we are using. It uses TI firewire and works quite good.
>
>
>> Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3160815AS 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard
Drive
>> - OEM
>> 52.99
>>
>>
>
>excellent drive
>
>> Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
>> Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KVR800D2K2/2GR - Retail
>> 46.99
>>
>>
>
>I'd go for OCZ, Super Talent, Corsair, Crucial brands personally. Get
>ones that CL4 at least. This will give a little better performance for
>VSTi and low latency audio.
>
>
>> I'm, currently, shopping at Newegg. The prices seem competitive. I've
checked
>> the mobo for ram and processor compatibility. The Kingston memory is
not
>> an exact match. I'm looking at: KVR800D2K2/2GR and Gigabyte recommends:
>> KVR800D2N5/1G. Do you think this is OK?
>>
>New Egg has decent prices and very good over all support for a large
>online part company so I would say you should be fine ordering from them.
>> I'm probably not going with the Cooler Master psu, but does will 500W
be
>> enough? I'm planning on running two more hd's (audio and backup drives)
>> and one DVD rom player in the box.
>>
>>
>You don't mention the Case or the video card. Your old video card WILL
>NOT work. If you are reusing an old case make sure it is a mid-sized or
>full sized ATX.
>
>
>Also current motherboards only have 1 IDE port. So only 2 IDE devices
>can be attached.. You will be using one of these for your DVD/CD drive.
>Your audio. Samples drive will need to be SATA. IF you need to buy new
>ones then the Seagate 16meg and 32 meg cache drives will be great choices.
>
>
>I'd recommend these fanless dual head video cards.
>GIGABYTE GV-NX86T256H GeForce 8600GT 256MB
>XFX PVT86JUAHG GeForce 8500GT 256MB
>EVGA 256-P2-N749-LR GeForce 8500GT 256MB
>
>> Thanks amigos
>> MR
>>
>
>Chris
>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762That sounds like a great trip. I've never seen that bridge. The idea
makes me smile. We Americans are funny people. Definitely a must-see if
you are in the area.
I don't see why there should be a problem with those 2 companies
merging. I'm sure it is motivated by Gibson's desire to move in more
digital/modern directions, which does not at all bother me. If they get
their wireless technology working well and affordable it would be a real
time saver for musicians and sound people who do frequent hit and run
set ups.
Personally I love what digital technology has done for the guitar. I use
modern digital modeling and effects technology powered by good old
fashioned vacuum tubes and beefy power transformers every day in my
guitar rig and it works beautifully, giving me the best of both worlds:
versatility and great sound.
DC wrote:
> Okay, went to one day of the NAMM show and said
> bugger it, and grabbed the family and went to Havasu.
>
> Man, I had actually forgotten what nice air smells like...
>
> I have to get out of SoCal more often. This is cool.
>
> Going to see London Bridge and the river tomorrow.
> The Colorado river is one of the purest, beautiful,
> almost elemental things on earth.
>
> Then on Monday we head to Quartzite for the gem and
> mineral show. Need some quartz to go on top of the
> studio monitors.
>
> Take a break. Get away. I'm glad I did.
>
> NAMM-schmamm One day was enough.
>
> Great show, sa
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DJ
Messages: 1124
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eir list, or can
> I change it up?
Yes Crucial will be a good choice. Being on the list is not very
important on the Gigabyte board unless you plaining on some extreme
tweaking for gaming.
> I also thought about getting a vid card, but, for the moment,
>
What are you using for video then? There is no on board video and no AGP
port.
> I'm going to hold off -budget issues.
> Once again Chris, thanks.
> MR
>
>
>
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>> HI Mike,
>>
>>
>> Mike R wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, finally, after some months of thought, and saving, I'm ready to buy
>>>
> into
>
>>> a new system. Keeping Paris, but I wanted to give Reaper a go. Currently
>>> I'm running two computers to work stuff up, and I'd like to try out a
>>>
> "total"
>
>>> ITB solution. Here's the parts list:
>>>
>>> Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core
>>> Processor - Retail
>>> 279.99 (includes fan and heat sink)
>>>
>>>
>> Awesome. Oh and it can be over clocked but I'd get a 3rd party heat sink
>>
>
>
>> if you wanna try that.
>>
>> If you are looking to make the machine quiet then I'd highly recommend
>> the Noctua NH-U12P CPU heat sink whether or not you are over clocking.
>> Also their Case fans are the best ones on the market.
>>
>>
>>
>>> COOLER MASTER eXtreme RP-500-PCAR ATX from factor 12V V2.01 500W Power
>>>
> Supply
>
>>> - Retail
>>> Item #: N82E16817171018 (will I need more power?)
>>> 39.99
>>>
>>>
>> If you plain on filling up the hard drives and PCI/PCI-e slots then I'd
>>
>
>
>> yes you will be a bit more juice. You can get quiet power supplies in
>> the 650w and 750w range.
>>
>> I'd recommend one some of the Thermaltake, Corsair, Antec models with
>> cable management.
>>
>>
>>> GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
>>>
>
>
>>> Supports: Intel Core™ 2 Quad Q6600 2.40HGz 8MB Kentsfield 65nm G0 95W
>>>
> 1066
>
>>> F2
>>> 89.99
>>>
>>>
>> Good board choice. We use the the big brother of that board the GIGABYTE
>>
>
>
>> GA-P35-DS4 Rev. 2.0.
>> Do you require Firewire. The DS3L does not have it.
>> If you do and you don't want to use a PCI PCI-e slot to do then I'd
>> recommend the board we are using. It uses TI firewire and works quite good.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3160815AS 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard
>>>
> Drive
>
>>> - OEM
>>> 52.99
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> excellent drive
>>
>>
>>> Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
>>> Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KVR800D2K2/2GR - Retail
>>> 46.99
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I'd go for OCZ, Super Talent, Corsair, Crucial brands personally. Get
>> ones that CL4 at least. This will give a little better performance for
>> VSTi and low latency audio.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I'm, currently, shopping at Newegg. The prices seem competitive. I've
>>>
> checked
>
>>> the mobo for ram and processor compatibility. The Kingston memory is
>>>
> not
>
>>> an exact match. I'm looking at: KVR800D2K2/2GR and Gigabyte recommends:
>>> KVR800D2N5/1G. Do you think this is OK?
>>>
>>>
>> New Egg has decent prices and very good over all support for a large
>> online part company so I would say you should be fine ordering from them.
>>
>>> I'm probably not going with the Cooler Master psu, but does will 500W
>>>
> be
>
>>> enough? I'm planning on running two more hd's (audio and backup drives)
>>> and one DVD rom player in the box.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> You don't mention the Case or the video card. Your old video card WILL
>> NOT work. If you are reusing an old case make sure it is a mid-sized or
>>
>
>
>> full sized ATX.
>>
>>
>> Also current motherboards only have 1 IDE port. So only 2 IDE devices
>> can be attached.. You will be using one of these for your DVD/CD drive.
>> Your audio. Samples drive will need to be SATA. IF you need to buy new
>> ones then the Seagate 16meg and 32 meg cache drives will be great choices.
>>
>>
>> I'd recommend these fanless dual head video cards.
>> GIGABYTE GV-NX86T256H GeForce 8600GT 256MB
>> XFX PVT86JUAHG GeForce 8500GT 256MB
>> EVGA 256-P2-N749-LR GeForce 8500GT 256MB
>>
>>
>>> Thanks amigos
>>> MR
>>>
>>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762 http://computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArtic leBasic&taxonomyName=hardware&articleId=9057718& taxonomyId=12&intsrc=kc_top
No exchange for the iPhone, but apparently its getting a notes client.
Anyway, here's HTCs attempt at some iPhone like features :-) I have last
months HTC and it is pretty damn cool.
ChuckHey Chris.
Doh. I was never real good at reading directions. I'll have to install a
rubber band on my wrist when I do the build and snap it every so often. As
I didn't factor the vid card into the budget I have to go with something
alittle less expensive. I'm looking the Chaintech GSV73LE, the Gigabyte
GV-RX24T256, and the quiet inexpensive (but generally well reviewed) Asus
EN6200LE. No games on the computer only the "daw game" Reaper. I think these
cards are ok??
MR
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Mike,
>
>
>Mike R wrote:
>> Chris,
>> Thank you for responding. ALL of the feedback will be very helpful.
I really
>> appreciate your expertise. Regarding the ram, I'd rather go with Crucial,
>> but the Kingston was the only stick I could find that was close to what
Gigabyte
>> recommended. Is it critical to only get the sticks on their list, or
can
>> I change it up?
>Yes Crucial will be a good choice. Being on the list is not very
>important on the Gigabyte board unless you plaining on some extreme
>tweaking for gaming.
>
>> I also thought about getting a vid card, but, for the moment,
>>
>What are you using for video then? There is no on board video and no AGP
>port.
>
>> I'm going to hold off -budget issues.
>> Once again Chris, thanks.
>> MR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>> HI Mike,
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike R wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok, finally, after some months of thought, and saving, I'm ready to
buy
>>>>
>> into
>>
>>>> a new system. Keeping Paris, but I wanted to give Reaper a go. Currently
>>>> I'm running two computers to work stuff up, and I'd like to try out
a
>>>>
>> "total"
>>
>>>> ITB solution. Here's the parts list:
>>>>
>>>> Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core
>>>> Processor - Retail
>>>> 279.99 (includes fan and heat sink)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Awesome. Oh and it can be over clocked but I'd get a 3rd party heat sink
>>>
>>
>>
>>> if you wanna try that.
>>>
>>> If you are looking to make the machine quiet then I'd highly recommend
>>> the Noctua NH-U12P CPU heat sink whether or not you are over clocking.
>>> Also their Case fans are the best ones on the market.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> COOLER MASTER eXtreme RP-500-PCAR ATX from factor 12V V2.01 500W Power
>>>>
>> Supply
>>
>>>> - Retail
>>>> Item #: N82E16817171018 (will I need more power?)
>>>> 39.99
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If you plain on filling up the hard drives and PCI/PCI-e slots then I'd
>>>
>>
>>
>>> yes you will be a bit more juice. You can get quiet power supplies in
>>> the 650w and 750w range.
>>>
>>> I'd recommend one some of the Thermaltake, Corsair, Antec models with
>>> cable management.
>>>
>>>
>>>> GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> Supports: Intel Core™ 2 Quad Q6600 2.40HGz 8MB Kentsfield 65nm G0 95W
>>>>
>> 1066
>>
>>>> F2
>>>> 89.99
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Good board choice. We use the the big brother of that board the GIGABYTE
>>>
>>
>>
>>> GA-P35-DS4 Rev. 2.0.
>>> Do you require Firewire. The DS3L does not have it.
>>> If you do and you don't want to use a PCI PCI-e slot to do then I'd
>>> recommend the board we are using. It uses TI firewire and works quite
good.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3160815AS 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard
>>>>
>> Drive
>>
>>>> - OEM
>>>> 52.99
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> excellent drive
>>>
>>>
>>>> Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
>>>> Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KVR800D2K2/2GR - Retail
>>>> 46.99
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'd go for OCZ, Super Talent, Corsair, Crucial brands personally. Get
>>> ones that CL4 at least. This will give a little better performance for
>>> VSTi and low latency audio.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm, currently, shopping at Newegg. The prices seem competitive. I've
>>>>
>> checked
>>
>>>> the mobo for ram and processor compatibility. The Kingston memory is
>>>>
>> not
>>
>>>> an exact match. I'm looking at: KVR800D2K2/2GR and Gigabyte recommends:
>>>> KVR800D2N5/1G. Do you think this is OK?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> New Egg has decent prices and very good over all support for a large
>>> online part company so I would say you should be fine ordering from them.
>>>
>>>> I'm probably not going with the Cooler Master psu, but does will 500W
>>>>
>> be
>>
>>>> enough? I'm planning on running two more hd's (audio and backup drives)
>>>> and one DVD rom player in the box.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You don't mention the Case or the video card. Your old video card WILL
>>> NOT work. If you are reusing an old case make sure it is a mid-sized
or
>>>
>>
>>
>>> full sized ATX.
>>>
>>>
>>> Also current motherboards only have 1 IDE port. So only 2 IDE devices
>>> can be attached.. You will be using one of these for your DVD/CD drive.
>>> Your audio. Samples drive will need to be SATA. IF you need to buy new
>>> ones then the Seagate 16meg and 32 meg cache drives will be great choices.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd recommend these fanless dual head video cards.
>>> GIGABYTE GV-NX86T256H GeForce 8600GT 256MB
>>> XFX PVT86JUAHG GeForce 8500GT 256MB
>>> EVGA 256-P2-N749-LR GeForce 8500GT 256MB
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks amigos
>>>> MR
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762On 20 Jan 2008 10:21:24 +1000, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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| Re: Yet another "what if . . . ? " [message #93331 is a reply to message #93328] |
Wed, 05 December 2007 08:19 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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>
>OMG! That's an Apple background on the screen of that Dell.
>
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>Costco is out delling dell on dells right now :-)
>>
>> http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11210767&am p;whse=BC&topnav=&browse=〈=en-US&s=1
>>
Yeah, Microsoft "borrowed" some graphics from OSX for Vista -- not the
only thing graphically that looks "borrowed".
pabHenry J. from Gibson is a notorious bozo.
The concern from my end is that he doesn't "brand manage"
TC's various companies into the can. We still don't know
who is really running things, so there is hope, but the big
question is who will influence whom.
We're off to the river!
DC
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>That sounds like a great trip. I've never seen that bridge. The idea
>makes me smile. We Americans are funny people. Definitely a must-see if
>you are in the area.
>
>I don't see why there should be a problem with those 2 companies
>merging. I'm sure it is motivated by Gibson's desire to move in more
>digital/modern directions, which does not at all bother me. If they get
>their wireless technology working well and affordable it would be a real
>time saver for musicians and sound people who do frequent hit and run
>set ups.
>
>Personally I love what digital technology has done for the guitar. I use
>modern digital modeling and effects technology powered by good old
>fashioned vacuum tubes and beefy power transformers every day in my
>guitar rig and it works beautifully, giving me the best of both worlds:
>versatility and great sound.
>
>DC wrote:
>> Okay, went to one day of the NAMM show and said
>> bugger it, and grabbed the family and went to Havasu.
>>
>> Man, I had actually forgotten what nice air smells like...
>>
>> I have to get out of SoCal more often. This is cool.
>>
>> Going to see London Bridge and the river tomorrow.
>> The Colorado river is one of the purest, beautiful,
>> almost elemental things on earth.
>>
>> Then on Monday we head to Quartzite for the gem and
>> mineral show. Need some quartz to go on top of the
>> studio monitors.
>>
>> Take a break. Get away. I'm glad I did.
>>
>> NAMM-schmamm One day was enough.
>>
>> Great show, saw some old friends (man I miss running into
>> SSC at shows!) but even on Friday there were too damn
>> many people there. Business-wise a good show for the
>> vendors, said everyone I spoke to.
>>
>> Big news? umm yeah... Gibson and TC are doing a merger.
>>
>> That's right Gibson guitar, as in Henry's company, and
>> the Danish outfit TC are merging.
>>
>> This cannot be good.
>>
>> DC
>>Ah... I see your point.
DC wrote:
> Henry J. from Gibson is a notorious bozo.
>
> The concern from my end is that he doesn't "brand manage"
> TC's various companies into the can. We still don't know
> who is really running things, so there is hope, but the big
> question is who will influence whom.
>
> We're off to the river!
>
> DC
>
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> That sounds like a great trip. I've never seen that bridge. The idea
>> makes me smile. We Americans are funny people. Definitely a must-see if
>
>> you are in the area.
>>
>> I don't see why there should be a problem with those 2 companies
>> merging. I'm sure it is motivated by Gibson's desire to move in more
>> digital/modern directions, which does not at all bother me. If they get
>
>> their wireless technology working well and affordable it would be a real
>
>> time saver for musicians and sound people who do frequent hit and run
>> set ups.
>>
>> Personally I love what digital technology has done for the guitar. I use
>
>> modern digital modeling and effects technology powered by good old
>> fashioned vacuum tubes and beefy power transformers every day in my
>> guitar rig and it works beautifully, giving me the best of both worlds:
>
>> versatility and great sound.
>>
>> DC wrote:
>>> Okay, went to one day of the NAMM show and said
>>> bugger it, and grabbed the family and went to Havasu.
>>>
>>> Man, I had actually forgotten what nice air smells like...
>>>
>>> I have to get out of SoCal more often. This is cool.
>>>
>>> Going to see London Bridge and the river tomorrow.
>>> The Colorado river is one of the purest, beautiful,
>>> almost elemental things on earth.
>>>
>>> Then on Monday we head to Quartzite for the gem and
>>> mineral show. Need some quartz to go on top of the
>>> studio monitors.
>>>
>>> Take a break. Get away. I'm glad I did.
>>>
>>> NAMM-schmamm One day was enough.
>>>
>>> Great show, saw some old friends (man I miss running into
>>> SSC at shows!) but even on Friday there were too damn
>>> many people there. Business-wise a good show for the
>>> vendors, said everyone I spoke to.
>>>
>>> Big news? umm yeah... Gibson and TC are doing a merger.
>>>
>>> That's right Gibson guitar, as in Henry's company, and
>>> the Danish outfit TC are merging.
>>>
>>> This cannot be good.
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>This is a great example of what blows my mind about Apple. I understand they
want to be a boutique, nichy kind of company. Their add campaigns scream
this, hip, relaxed Mac user is $350 designer jeans in contrasted with balding,
portly, half wit in an ill fitting brown suit. Apple has zero chance in the
big iron in corporate America. It's all Unix/MS Server 200X at the OS level,
Oracle/MS SQL Server for databases, and IBM/Sun/HP/Dell hardware. And, of
course Exchange for mail.
But again, what blows my mind is it seems that Apple actively _antagonizes_
corporate users. Sure, they don't want to be 'tainted' by the fat guy in
the brown suit, but hell, my money is as good as the money in the pocket
in the designer jeans, and if I want to spend it on an iPhone why make so
bloody difficult to get it and use it with our gear?
This all might be moot soon, of course. Exchange 2007, while being a typical
toad of a M$oft 'upgrade,' has a _stunning_ web mail client. It's so good
I wonder if we're going to install desktop Outlook clients when we make the
leap. It's really that good.
TCB
P.S. As an aside, I have met some stunningly beautiful, stylish, interesting
women working in the finance racket. I think it's proof that everyone likes
money, so this job isn't all fat guys in brown suits, though there certainly
are plenty of those as well.
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
> http://computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArtic leBasic&taxonomyName=hardware&articleId=9057718& taxonomyId=12&intsrc=kc_top
>
>No exchange for the iPhone, but apparently its getting a notes client.
>
>Anyway, here's HTCs attempt at some iPhone like features :-) I have last
>months HTC and it is pretty damn cool.
>
>ChuckI read about Roland taking a majority of Cakewalk - no surprised there, but
no Gibson and TC. I had high hopes for TC's continued development in the
digital audio market. Surely Gibson will kill their products off with inane
detours into left field.
Dedric
On 1/20/08 11:47 AM, in article 47939a76@linux, "Bill L"
<bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
> Ah... I see your point.
>
> DC wrote:
>> Henry J. from Gibson is a notorious bozo.
>>
>> The concern from my end is that he doesn't "brand manage"
>> TC's various companies into the can. We still don't know
>> who is really running things, so there is hope, but the big
>> question is who will influence whom.
>>
>> We're off to the river!
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>> That sounds like a great trip. I've never seen that bridge. The idea
>>> makes me smile. We Americans are funny people. Definitely a must-see if
>>
>>> you are in the area.
>>>
>>> I don't see why there should be a problem with those 2 companies
>>> merging. I'm sure it is motivated by Gibson's desire to move in more
>>> digital/modern directions, which does not at all bother me. If they get
>>
>>> their wireless technology working well and affordable it would be a real
>>
>>> time saver for musicians and sound people who do frequent hit and run
>>> set ups.
>>>
>>> Personally I love what digital technology has done for the guitar. I use
>>
>>> modern digital modeling and effects technology powered by good old
>>> fashioned vacuum tubes and beefy power transformers every day in my
>>> guitar rig and it works beautifully, giving me the best of both worlds:
>>
>>> versatility and great sound.
>>>
>>> DC wrote:
>>>> Okay, went to one day of the NAMM show and said
>>>> bugger it, and grabbed the family and went to Havasu.
>>>>
>>>> Man, I had actually forgotten what nice air smells like...
>>>>
>>>> I have to get out of SoCal more often. This is cool.
>>>>
>>>> Going to see London Bridge and the river tomorrow.
>>>> The Colorado river is one of the purest, beautiful,
>>>> almost elemental things on earth.
>>>>
>>>> Then on Monday we head to Quartzite for the gem and
>>>> mineral show. Need some quartz to go on top of the
>>>> studio monitors.
>>>>
>>>> Take a break. Get away. I'm glad I did.
>>>>
>>>> NAMM-schmamm One day was enough.
>>>>
>>>> Great show, saw some old friends (man I miss running into
>>>> SSC at shows!) but even on Friday there were too damn
>>>> many people there. Business-wise a good show for the
>>>> vendors, said everyone I spoke to.
>>>>
>>>> Big news? umm yeah... Gibson and TC are doing a merger.
>>>>
>>>> That's right Gibson guitar, as in Henry's company, and
>>>> the Danish outfit TC are merging.
>>>>
>>>> This cannot be good.
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>Okay, went to one day of the NAMM show and said
>bugger it, and grabbed the family and went to Havasu.
>
>Man, I had actually forgotten what nice air smells like...
>
>I have to get out of SoCal more often. This is cool.
>
>Going to see London Bridge and the river tomorrow.
>The Colorado river is one of the purest, beautiful,
>almost elemental things on earth.
>
>Then on Monday we head to Quartzite for the gem and
>mineral show. Need some quartz to go on top of the
>studio monitors.
>
>Take a break. Get away. I'm glad I did.
>
>NAMM-schmamm One day was enough.
>
>Great show, saw some old friends (man I miss running into
>SSC at shows!) but even on Friday there were too damn
>many people there. Business-wise a good show for the
>vendors, said everyone I spoke to.
>
>Big news? umm yeah... Gibson and TC are doing a merger.
>
>That's right Gibson guitar, as in Henry's company, and
>the Danish outfit TC are merging.
>
>This cannot be good.
>
>DC
>
That is not just bad news, that is vary bad news! You would think by now
these companies would stay the hell away from Gibson. Dumb move!Finally getting a look at PT - I"ve briefly glanced at it in a few other
studios, but... well... just never needed to use it before. So, I open the
bugger up, and whoa - what an ugly, lifeless interface.!!! Paris has a lot
more soul to my eyes. Do they make other skins for the PT tird? :) Just my
opinion.
-Carlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbnPqimRiQA lot of folks are saying "this could be a good thing, look
at the good influence and product TC could bring to
Gibson"
But it sure didn't work that way with Chrysler and
Daimler did it?
Seems like bad leaders and a problematic corporate
culture are never solved by mergers. A takeover and
a total house cleaning of execs? Perhaps, but I don't
remember a merger that fixed a problem leadership or
culture.
Saw Parker Dam today. Just gorgeous and since it is off
the beaten path, almost deserted. Well, except for the
two armed guards and the netting all over the lake side
of the dam so ghouls cannot drop a demo charge down
against the dam underwater where the force will be
directed into the dam by the water...
sh*t
Oh, and you can't walk across the dam anymore, and
there are serious concrete obstacles to negotiate around to
keep out the truck bombs.
DC
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>I read about Roland taking a majority of Cakewalk - no surprised there,
but
>no Gibson and TC. I had high hopes for TC's continued development in the
>digital audio market. Surely Gibson will kill their products off with inane
>detours into left field.
>
>Dedric
>
>On 1/20/08 11:47 AM, in article 47939a76@linux, "Bill L"
><bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>
>> Ah... I see your point.
>>
>> DC wrote:
>>> Henry J. from Gibson is a notorious bozo.
>>>
>>> The concern from my end is that he doesn't "brand manage"
>>> TC's various companies into the can. We still don't know
>>> who is really running things, so there is hope, but the big
>>> question is who will influence whom.
>>>
>>> We're off to the river!
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>> That sounds like a great trip. I've never seen that bridge. The idea
>>>> makes me smile. We Americans are funny people. Definitely a must-see
if
>>>
>>>> you are in the area.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see why there should be a problem with those 2 companies
>>>> merging. I'm sure it is motivated by Gibson's desire to move in more
>>>> digital/modern directions, which does not at all bother me. If they
get
>>>
>>>> their wireless technology working well and affordable it would be a
real
>>>
>>>> time saver for musicians and sound people who do frequent hit and run
>>>> set ups.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I love what digital technology has done for the guitar. I
use
>>>
>>>> modern digital modeling and effects technology powered by good old
>>>> fashioned vacuum tubes and beefy power transformers every day in my
>>>> guitar rig and it works beautifully, giving me the best of both worlds:
>>>
>>>> versatility and great sound.
>>>>
>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>> Okay, went to one day of the NAMM show and said
>>>>> bugger it, and grabbed the family and went to Havasu.
>>>>>
>>>>> Man, I had actually forgotten what nice air smells like...
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to get out of SoCal more often. This is cool.
>>>>>
>>>>> Going to see London Bridge and the river tomorrow.
>>>>> The Colorado river is one of the purest, beautiful,
>>>>> almost elemental things on earth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then on Monday we head to Quartzite for the gem and
>>>>> mineral show. Need some quartz to go on top of the
>>>>> studio monitors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take a break. Get away. I'm glad I did.
>>>>>
>>>>> NAMM-schmamm One day was enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Great show, saw some old friends (man I miss running into
>>>>> SSC at shows!) but even on Friday there were too damn
>>>>> many people there. Business-wise a good show for the
>>>>> vendors, said everyone I spoke to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Big news? umm yeah... Gibson and TC are doing a merger.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's right Gibson guitar, as in Henry's company, and
>>>>> the Danish outfit TC are merging.
>>>>>
>>>>> This cannot be good.
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>>>>
>>>
>HI Mike,
This is the one you want.
ASUS EN7300GT SILENT/HTD/256M GeForce 7300GT 256MB
Chaintech stuff is usually pretty\ poor and the 6200TC is a shared
me
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| Re: Yet another "what if . . . ? " [message #93333 is a reply to message #93331] |
Wed, 05 December 2007 08:37 |
Erling
Messages: 156
Registered: October 2008
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Senior Member |
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tweaking for gaming.
>>
>>
>>> I also thought about getting a vid card, but, for the moment,
>>>
>>>
>> What are you using for video then? There is no on board video and no AGP
>>
>
>
>> port.
>>
>>
>>> I'm going to hold off -budget issues.
>>> Once again Chris, thanks.
>>> MR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> HI Mike,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike R wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ok, finally, after some months of thought, and saving, I'm ready to
>>>>>
> buy
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> into
>>>
>>>
>>>>> a new system. Keeping Paris, but I wanted to give Reaper a go. Currently
>>>>> I'm running two computers to work stuff up, and I'd like to try out
>>>>>
> a
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> "total"
>>>
>>>
>>>>> ITB solution. Here's the parts list:
>>>>>
>>>>> Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core
>>>>> Processor - Retail
>>>>> 279.99 (includes fan and heat sink)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Awesome. Oh and it can be over clocked but I'd get a 3rd party heat sink
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> if you wanna try that.
>>>>
>>>> If you are looking to make the machine quiet then I'd highly recommend
>>>>
>
>
>>>> the Noctua NH-U12P CPU heat sink whether or not you are over clocking.
>>>> Also their Case fans are the best ones on the market.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> COOLER MASTER eXtreme RP-500-PCAR ATX from factor 12V V2.01 500W Power
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> Supply
>>>
>>>
>>>>> - Retail
>>>>> Item #: N82E16817171018 (will I need more power?)
>>>>> 39.99
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If you plain on filling up the hard drives and PCI/PCI-e slots then I'd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> yes you will be a bit more juice. You can get quiet power supplies in
>>>>
>
>
>>>> the 650w and 750w range.
>>>>
>>>> I'd recommend one some of the Thermaltake, Corsair, Antec models with
>>>>
>
>
>>>> cable management.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Supports: Intel Core™ 2 Quad Q6600 2.40HGz 8MB Kentsfield 65nm G0 95W
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> 1066
>>>
>>>
>>>>> F2
>>>>> 89.99
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Good board choice. We use the the big brother of that board the GIGABYTE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> GA-P35-DS4 Rev. 2.0.
>>>> Do you require Firewire. The DS3L does not have it.
>>>> If you do and you don't want to use a PCI PCI-e slot to do then I'd
>>>> recommend the board we are using. It uses TI firewire and works quite
>>>>
> good.
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3160815AS 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> Drive
>>>
>>>
>>>>> - OEM
>>>>> 52.99
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> excellent drive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
>>>>> Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KVR800D2K2/2GR - Retail
>>>>> 46.99
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I'd go for OCZ, Super Talent, Corsair, Crucial brands personally. Get
>>>>
>
>
>>>> ones that CL4 at least. This will give a little better performance for
>>>>
>
>
>>>> VSTi and low latency audio.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm, currently, shopping at Newegg. The prices seem competitive. I've
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> checked
>>>
>>>
>>>>> the mobo for ram and processor compatibility. The Kingston memory is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> not
>>>
>>>
>>>>> an exact match. I'm looking at: KVR800D2K2/2GR and Gigabyte recommends:
>>>>> KVR800D2N5/1G. Do you think this is OK?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> New Egg has decent prices and very good over all support for a large
>>>>
>
>
>>>> online part company so I would say you should be fine ordering from them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm probably not going with the Cooler Master psu, but does will 500W
>>>>>
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