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| How do you handle it when....? [message #70180] |
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brandon[2]
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words of a couple of different US soldiers just back from Iraq
> I
> >> >> recently talked with).
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> >> >> Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to sp
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70182 is a reply to message #70180] |
Mon, 10 July 2006 09:31  |
Tom Bruhl
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>> >or
> >> >> collect $200. I'm only partly serious here, but you guys are
turning
> >> me
> >> >> into a pessimist. ;-)
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>Well said, Dedric.
Rod
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>I wasn't referring to whether the war is right or wrong or whether I liked
>Bush or not, just your approach and mindset isn't representing Christianity
>in any way - these are just your political views. Don't confuse the two.
>It does more harm than good.
>
>On the war and our country itself...
>
>I have personally talked to several US soldiers who have been there, and
>have talked to Iraqis, in person - not what you think you hear from the
news
>media, or from a disgruntled private that just signed up with the Army to
>get a free education and wrote a book about it, but mid-level officers and
>doctors (e.g. not party line toters either) - and the Iraqis do appreciate
>that we ended the tyrannical regime they were under. I was blown away by
>the real world accounts I heard that completely contradict what the news
>media would have us believe (even if you support the war, this you would
>start to wonder who's doing the most lying) - these guys are Christians,
and
>spent their time there building schools, restoring power, providing aid
to
>military and citizens alike - working with the people, not just working
the
>media.
>
>If you think that is of no value, then it would be interesting to hear what
>our own ancestor countrymen would say of the civil war - was the cost of
>hundreds of thousands of lives, homes, farms, schools, women and children,
>and political turmoil worth it "just" to end slavery? Given what our
>country seems to think of the Iraqi people - ignorant, victims of the US
>military, better off under a murderous dictator, etc - I would have to say
I
>seriously doubt we would go down that road again. We would rather sit by
>and smugly to say that we weren't responsible for people dying - "we're
>better than that - we make great bystanders and self-righteous,
>self-absorbed pacifists". We would rather ride around in our Detroit-built,
>union proud SUVs, sucking down expensive gasoline, buying frivolous luxuries
>right and left from companies that help choke the atmosphere with production
>pollution, watching movies that cost more than the food budget for Sudan
and
>complain about our government on the way home because we are embarrassed
>that France and Germany don't like us, and because it's more popular to
hate
>the President than actually do something to fix any of the above problems.
>
>Whether you like it or not, there is a direct parallel, and a sad one -
DJ
>is right, we are weak - not militarily, but as a people. We have no common
>bond of morality, ethics, integrity, patriotism, and honor - maybe if we
>really had that, we wouldn't be in Iraq *and* the Iraqi people would still
>be free to make their own decisions out from under the crushing weight of
a
>dictator's thumb. But sadly, we've chosen to adopt the hypocritical facade
>that Hollywood and the news media feeds us. We are more interested in
>political correctness and putting on the appearance of righteousness than
>actually living it. I'm not in anyway saying war is righteous - it is just
>a fact of a world that in majority doesn't have a moral value system. And
at
>the same time we are justifying our intellectually superior pacifism by
>turning a blind eye to true evil and in fact doing exactly what you claim
>others are doing - putting faith in Man. Mine isn't in any man on this
>planet. Completely independently of the government, we are yet again
>selling out our pride and integrity as people to the lowest cost bidder
in
>exchange for a mask of fabricated peace, temporary freedom and empty
>compassion. We have more in common now with Hollywood 2006 than
>Philadelphia 1776, much less 0 BC.
>
>"Where is the hope? I meet millions who tell me that they feel demoralized
>by the decay around us. Where is the hope? The hope that each of us have
is
>not in who governs us, or what laws are passed, or what great things that
we
>do as a nation. Our hope is in the power of God working through the hearts
>of people, and thatıs where our hope is in this country; thatıs where our
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70186 is a reply to message #70180] |
Mon, 10 July 2006 10:09 |
"Kris" .
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>> As for that statement being unchristian. Well who said that the American
>> policy is the "Thee" authority of Christianity???
>> My views are not slanderer not in fear of speaking against a burgeoning
>> tyranny.
>>
>>
>> I know full well I don't speak for the entire Christian population, only
>> Jesus does. But, faith in a Man, is stupid..
>>
>> Yes, I feel that the Bush(ites) are evil. Evil lying politians. So, if
you
>> take that as being slanted, then so beit.
>>
>> So, you and the other 33-36 percent can keep on fighting the war on terror
>> ,and find your WMD's or what ever.
>> I'm not buying it.
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>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> Lamont, saying you would rather back terrorists (cold blooded killers)
is
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70192 is a reply to message #70180] |
Mon, 10 July 2006 11:02 |
excelav
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>ones) and then get so backed into a corner that they either have
>to capitulate to the jihadis or, as you say below, go boom, as in
>nukes... I would like to avoid that.
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>>To decent is not American?
>>Look DJ, the Bush(ites) are war mongers. They had their plan is place well
>>before they took office. They just need some kind of reason to sell to
the
>>US public. 911 and then WMDS..
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>
>So it's hard to sell war to americans after the biggest attack since
>WWII? How do you figure?
>
>We found the WMD's btw. 500 of them, and one of
>Saddams own guys says the rest went to Syria. You cannot win
>this argument on evidence so you resort to wild paranoia, and
>accuse others of "kool-aid"? amazing really...
>
>I don't CARE if you support Bush or not, I do care about the lengths
>you are going to, to make a case that cannot be made rationally.
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>>The problem today is , do we have enough service men available for your
>WW3<
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70195 is a reply to message #70181] |
Mon, 10 July 2006 12:16 |
brandon[2]
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tal dissorder). That man, is one scared man.. very fearful and
is
>> a raging lunatic.What's his lines"Borders, Languages, and culture. Man,
>what
>> a lunatic, however, very entertaining..
>>
>> Dj, do we agree that the Bush(ites) want permanant bases in the middle
>east?
>> Okay? Do you think that the people of the middle east will stand for
>permanant
>> US bases there? Do you think, that we should pull the troops out and nuke
>> the entire region???
>>
>> See, the latter (Nuke) is what the Dems has done. Your so called Prsident
>> and any other Republican love war for war sake.. The Dems, ended the WW2
>> (in the PAcific)..BOooooommmmm. Weak, are they..??? I'll let that record
>> stand..
>>
>>
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>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >LaMont (sigh..............)
>> >
>> >I've got a few thoughts below:
>> >
>> >"LaMont" <lad@american.com> wrote in message news:44e889dc$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> "If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready
to
>> >fight.
>> >> Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
>> >change
>> >> here."
>> >>
>> >> The only we should be ready to face is the (Bush-ites) neo-cons aka
the
>> >present
>> >> rulers of our government. They are the ones who are taking away our
>> >liberties,freedom
>> >> under the guise of democracy.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Did you read any part of the link I posted? If so, are you dismissing
it
>> >completely?
>> >
>> >> It's really ashame that the 33-36 percent of you who still believe
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70196 is a reply to message #70195] |
Mon, 10 July 2006 12:22 |
Deej [1]
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i
>this
>> >> regime, are still drinking the kool-iad that Tony Snow spills. It's
soo
>> >un-beliveable
>> >> what they spew out these days to make their case. Now, it's become
>> >laughable.
>> >> Pretty pathetic that they continue to play the so called "RED-States
>fear
>> >> rhetoric to get support for thier imperialistic movement.
>> >
>> >Nobody wants war. Bin Ladin stated very publicly that the reason he
>thought
>> >he could win this war was because America no longer had the stomach for
>> war
>> >and that we were weak. He's right, apparently. Just look at the polls.
>> >Clinton would have surrendered by now. Bush, no way, and that's one of
>the
>> >few things I like about him.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent. That
>says
>> >> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or that
>> >"sham"
>> >> Iraq war.
>> >
>> >The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was still
>going
>> >strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took office.
>> >>
>> >> What's even funny is that folkd like yourself willing to die for this
>> sham
>> >> of a cause, when the President himself and other Elites, will never
>take
>> >> up arms. Nor will their families allow them to. See, that's what poor
>> >folks
>> >> are for. They take up arms for the rich. Hey, I don't blame Bush for
>> >weasling
>> >> out the vietam war..That was a smart thing to do. But, I'd be damm
if
>> I'd
>> >> send or give my blessing to my sons for this most un-knoble cause.
>> >> LAD
>> >
>> >Hmmm.........well, how about your poster child for all that is good in
>the
>> >world, Bill Clinton? This argument is lame LaMont and you should know
>it.
>> >Let's look at how we got here, shall we? We're coming out of a war that
>> has
>> >caused a glitch in the economy and Bush I has to raise taxes to pay for
>> it.
>> >Oher than that, it's roaring because of the Reagan tax cuts. We elect
>slick
>> >Willie because he talks a good game, there has been an end to the war,
>> >sanctions are in place and the world is in a relatively stable condition.
>> >The Soviet economic system has failed, capitalism is starting to remake
>> >poliotical thinking in China (just as it has in Viet Nam) and there are
>> some
>> >incredible changes and opportunities to be had in the world. There were
>> >still lots of threats and apparatchiks who were basically gangsters who
>> >would sell their mother for money and the nuclear stores in Russia were
>> >controlled by these guys. We needed an intelligence service to keep us
up
>> to
>> >speed on a rapidly changing world.
>> >
>> >Now what would a *real*leader do? Would he live by opinion polls
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70199 is a reply to message #70195] |
Mon, 10 July 2006 14:00 |
Rich[3]
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human rights history.That pretty much takes 90% of the folks in
the
>> >middle east, China and Russia who might be associated with terrorism
and
>> >espionage off the table. Well, this kind of idealism is all fine and
good
>> in
>> >a perfect world, but totally unrealistic in the *real* world. By the
time
>> he
>> >left office we had lost all of our intelligence assets in the places
we
>> >needed them the most.......so throughout his administration, he spouts
>off
>> >about IRAQ having WMD's and periodically bombs here and there while
>turning
>> >a blind eye to the French, Russians and UN parasites who are doing
>> >everything possible to ensure that Sadaam can continue to sell them oil
>> >under the table while rearming his military at the expense of the very
>> >Iraqis that the sanctions were meant to protect........but hell man,
the
>> >polls said that this was a good thing and so rather than take any kind
of
>> >unpopular position, he went with the polls. Well look where we are now.
>> This
>> >is Clinton's doing, not Bush's. Bush just has the balls to do the right
>> >thing and doesn'rt live by the polls.
>> >
>> >Also, he botched the opportunity to have Bin Laden when Sudan offered
him
>> >up. He did nothing when the Cole was bombed. He withdrew from Somalia
>after
>> >18 of our soldiers were killed which was one of the main reasons Bin
>Laden
>> >came to the conclusion that we were weak and would not fight. He, along
>> with
>> >Sen. Dennis DeConcini, Arizona Democrat, blocked the hiring of additional
>> >Arabic translators. Janet Reno's 1995 edicts regarding cooperation
>between
>> >domestic intelligence agencies essentially hamstrung them and rendered
>them
>> >completely ineffective. I could go on and on...... A good intelligence
>> >apparatus takes years to build but can be destroyed fairly quickly by
an
>> >idiot like Clinton.
>> >
>> >The deaths from the sanctions in Iraq was one of the main reasons Osama
>> used
>> >for recruitment and "rationalizing" 911. Clinton was relying on the same
>> >intelligence Bush was. Notice that when Congress was voting to authorize
>> war
>> >on Iraq, Bill Clinton did not state in any way, that there were no WMD,
>> even
>> >though it now turns out that if they wer
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70201 is a reply to message #70196] |
Mon, 10 July 2006 16:49 |
Dedric Terry
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>> >take their finger off the trigger if they get those bombs.
>> >When I see videos of these guys goosestepping through the streets it
>makes
>> >me wonder how we can forget so quickly how an ideology and failure to
>> >confront it can bring about a world war.
>> >
>> >I often wonder how my friends on the left can be so ignorant of the real
>> >issues involved here. I wonder how the following laws would go down in
a
>> >place like San Francisco, where pacificm is the philosophy du jour:
>> >
>> >PENALTIES imposed by Iran's religious mullahs include:
>> >
>> >THEFT: Amputation of hands or feet for persistent offenders.
>> >
>> >ADULTERY: Death by stoning.
>> >
>> >UNMARRIED SEX: 100 lashes.
>> >
>> >CONVERSION TO RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM: Death.
>> >
>> >SODOMY: Death for adults, 74 lashes for consenting child.
>> >
>> >LESBIANISM: 100 lashes, or on the fourth occasion death.
>> >
>> >HOMOSEXUAL KISS: 60 lashes.
>> >
>> >RUBBING ANOTHER MAN'S THIGHS OR BUTTOCKS: 99 lashes - on 4th occasion,
>> >death.
>> >
>> >I would like to be a democrat again. I used to be one and felt pretty
>> >comfortable with the liberal agenda when this country had the luzxxury
of
>> >debating these things. These days I wonder how the liberals in this
>country
>> >can be so blind as dismiss what lies in store for them as they savage
an
>> >administration that has the balls to stand up and fight for
>> >them.......something their own leaders are seemingly incapable of doing.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >DJ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >I hate the idea of war as much as you do. I have actually thought
long
>> >and
>> >> >hard about going over there myself. If there was something I could
do
>> >other
>> >> >than get in the way. and I didn't have a family to support, I might
>check
>> >> >with the military to see if there's a *geezers battalion*. I don't
>have
>> >> any
>> >> >formal military training, but I know how to handle firearms, and I'm
>> >deadly
>> >> >accurate.
>> >> >It would piss off my wife to no end and I'm 56 and 'purtnear used
up
>> so
>> >> I
>> >> >don't know how well this old body would handle the rigours of
>battlefield
>> >> >combat and the heat, but I'll guarantee you that I would have no
>problem
>> >> at
>> >> >all if my son or daughter joined a volunteer army and that army was
>> >called
>> >> >on to fight, I would support them 100%.
>> >> >
>> >> >If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready
to
>> >fight.
>> >> >Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
>> >> >change here. The politics of the left are much more abhorrent to them
>> >than
>> >> >those of the right. They are, however, quite happy to allow the left
>> to
>> >> do
>> >> >their political infighting for them here. The weaker and less resolved
>> we
>> >> >are the better they like it.
>> >> >
>> >> >Here's what you're in for amigo:
>> >> > http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 26
>> >> >
>> >> >The human rights section and the women's section is especially
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70203 is a reply to message #70180] |
Mon, 10 July 2006 17:39 |
Nei
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>> >rights
>> >> >> and it's Liberties..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Even more, the opposing party would not be thrill seeking war
>mongers,
>> >> >who's
>> >> >> only agenda is to spread freedom thru out he world (ha hah). I would
>> >hope
>> >> >> any opposing party will grow some balls and speak out against this
>> >> >tierney.
>> >> >> There are just as many Democrats who signed on with the Bush(is)..
>> But
>> >> >> as we saw with the beginning of the mid term primaries, those
>Democrats
>> >> who
>> >> >> were with the Bush(ites) went down with ship.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Evenmore.The thought of spreading democracy into a region were war
>> is
>> >> >second
>> >> >> nature for over 10,000 years is laughable at best. Those fold over
>> >there(
>> >> >> Iran, Iraq,Saudi Arabia, Syria, afghanistan,) will Never stop
>fighting
>> >> or
>> >> >> give in to so called democracy..Never.
>> >> >> Will you send you son or daughter over to fight??
>> >> >> I thought so..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>> >> >terrorist..Why??
>> >> >> >At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>> >> >Goverment.aka
>> >> >> >Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and
>> the
>> >> >good
>> >> >> >of this union.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >.........and if there was an election today, what would the
>opposing
>> >> >party
>> >> >> >stand for Lamont?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>> >news:44e79af9$1@linux...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument
>> to
>> >> >debut
>> >> >> >> the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US government
>> >> >stories
>> >> >> >> on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry,
>> >sadistic,
>> >> >> >neoconservatives-conservatives
>> >> >> >> in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down
to
>> the
>> >> >> >pits!!!..
>> >> >> >> It's really a shame that we 2 years left with these evil
>neo-cons.
>> >> They
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> >> as anti American as the as the so-called terroris
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70209 is a reply to message #70201] |
Mon, 10 July 2006 21:41 |
John Macy
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>> >e
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Nappy-
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >first of all, it's great to see you again!
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >second of all, I was pretty impressed by Loose Change.
>> >> >> >> >Then some months later I read this:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Check it out!
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >-Steve
>> >> >> >>
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>Thanks, DaleLaMont,
Once again you misuse the Bible. This is the second time you have
presented the Beatitudes as behaviour guidelines when that is
not what they were intended as, and you did so in the context of
BRAGGING about what brave war fighters democrats are, as in
WE dropped THE BOMB!! BOOM!!
So hey, which one of the "peacemakers" are you?
You clearly have no interest in what anyone else thinks here, and
nothing anyone says makes any difference to you.
Why are you wasting our time with this?
DCOnce again, your facts are simply wrong. It was the quickest victory
over a regime in the history of warfare, with the fewest US
casualties and the fewest non-combatants killed.
Making a new govt. work there is proving to be a challenge with
the foreign head choppers and jihadis who have come in, and the
diehard Saddam loyalists. But once again, you are cheering for
the other side. Do you really think Iraqis are too stupid for
democracy?
This "conversation" with you is clearly becoming a wasye of time.
DC
"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>Oh yeah. .just look a t what going to Iraq has done for US??? Yeah, we really
>slapped them around. ?? Meanwhile, our boys and girls are returning home
>in bags for a false cause and A NOT well Planned attack"..
>
>You talk about Clinton..Let's look at this idiot we have in office now.
He's
>so dumb he can't even remember the last lie he told a few seconds ago. Deer
>in the headlights. He's an embarrassment to this Nation..
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinprison.com> wrote:
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>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>>>Clinton Clinton Clinton.. It seems DJ that you has now swallow the "Kool-Aid"
>>>that the Neo-con right has given you.
>>>Look, liberals are not dumb or stupid. They are real passionate Americans.
>>
>>And Clinton was incompetent to a staggering degree. Deal with
>>it.
>>
>>>Do you really think that if we are attacked , that fellow so-called liberals
>>>would not fight??
>>
>>They would waffle, negotiate, deal with the corrupt UN, make token
>>raids on the wrong targets to kill a few people (usually the wrong
>>ones) and then get so backed into a corner that they either have
>>to capitulate to the jihadis or, as you say below, go boom, as in
>>nukes... I would like to avoid that.
>>
>>
>>>To decent is not American?
>>>Look DJ, the Bush(ites) are war mongers. They had their plan is place
well
>>>before they took office. They just need some kind of reason to sell to
>the
>>>US public. 911 and then WMDS..
>>
>>
>>So it's hard to sell war to americans after the biggest attack since
>>WWII? How do you figure?
>>
>>We found the WMD's btw. 500 of them, and one of
>>Saddams own guys says the rest went to Syria. You cannot win
>>this argument on evidence so you resort to wild paranoia, and
>>accuse others of "kool-aid"?
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70210 is a reply to message #70209] |
Mon, 10 July 2006 23:15 |
Deej [1]
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amazing really...
>>
>>I don't CARE if you support Bush or not, I do care about the lengths
>>you are going to, to make a case that cannot be made rationally.
>>
>>
>>>The problem today is , do we have enough service men available for your
>>WW3
>>>war effort? A draft is eminent, But, not exactly politically wise or popular
>>>with the way the Iraq thing went. hey can't sell a war if the previous
>engagements
>>>haven't worked out..
>>
>>For you and your side to win, we must lose this war. So you
>>and yours have called it a mistake and a "quagmire" since about
>>a week into it, made absurd vietnam comparisons, and failed to
>>praise even the brave Iraqi's who voted in such high numbers
>>under the threat of being attacked at any time. You all just
>>went nice and quiet and waited for the next bombing or
>>decapitation so you could start the rap up again. And you wonder
>>why people question your loyalty? I have never seen so many
>>americans hoping for our defeat. Our brave soldiers are succeeding
>>despite the best efforts of both the jihadis and the left.
>>
>>
>>>So, what will the Bush(ites) do...hummm..Let's see since recruitment is
>>way
>>>way down(toilet), the US need fresh recruits
>>>to re-vamp the forces for 1)ground attacks and home-land security, and
>middle-east
>>>occupation.....
>>
>>Actually, as with much of your rap, you got the facts wrong again.
>>
>>http://www.azstarnet.com/news/141607
>>
>>
>>>Well, the poor & middle class whites are not showing up at the local recruiting
>>>centers like they did in post 911...And it seems, that the African Americans
>>>don't want any part of these wars what so ever...(hey, they're busy in
>the
>>>prisons)providing big business cheap telemarketing services..(true)..
>>
>>While African immigrants are wildly successful here, and the
>>left still refuses to look at the results of their misguided programs...
>>The imprisonment rate of African Americans closely follows the rate
>>of decline in intact families which inversely follows the rate of
>>paternalistic liberal programs. But no, it's so much easier to
>>blame Bush.
>>
>>
>>The
>>>American Hispanics too, have dropped off the recruiting radar.. So, where
>>>oh where are they going to get those solders ...Humm
>>>
>>>I think the answer lies with our new "Border Crossers" aka, new Americans
>>>for hire.. And they will make up a good portion of the new American Armed
>>>forces.
>>
>>Is there actual evidence for this?
>>
>>
>>>Dj, do we agree that the Bush(ites) want permanant bases in the middle
>east?
>>>Okay? Do you think that the people of the middle east will stand for permanant
>>>US bases there? Do you think, that we should pull the troops out and nuke
>>>the entire region???
>>
>>A secular and democratic state would do so. Hence Iraq.
>>Remember, we would like to avoid nukes?
>>
>>
>>>See, the latter (Nuke) is what the Dems has done. Your so called Prsident
>>>and any other Republican love war for war sake.. The Dems, ended the WW2
>>>(in the PAcific)..BOooooommmmm. Weak, are they..??? I'll let that record
>>>stand..
>>
>>Of course, a Republican (Lincoln) ended slavery, but it looks like
>>that record doesn't stand for much with you. Oh, it's in the past?
>>Well so are the days of Democrats being *anything* like Truman.
>>
>>And EVERY SINGLE Truman or even Kennedy democrat has been
>>purged from the democratic party, the most recent being a good
>>and decent Kennedy liberal named Leiberman.
>>
>>Listen LaMont, I am not a conservative, and neither is DJ. You need
>>to admit that this is a complex and difficult issue and good points
>>can be made on both sides. Come, let us reason together.
>>
>>There's a lot at stake.
>>
>>DC
>>
>I am for a cease for on all political and/or religious topics, and
a cowpie in the mail to DJ for starting all of this...
<grin>
Really folks, this is pointless. C'mon LaMont, call Bush a few more
names and declare victory and let's be done with it.
DC911 a year earlier...Not..It happened on your guys watch! Period!!!
You guys can try to swing it Clinton's way all you like, but you are in a
very small minority. This is Bushes baby. He and his party "Stole the election,
and this is their reward!!
The jury is still out about 911 and it's "true" culprits.. I put nothing
past a nation who has a history of terrorist act against it's citizens including
assassinating presidents and political leaders and organizations. Now, if
you are of white decent, then you wouldn't see things that way.. But, as
an African American, we tend to see and view the US government and it's past
dealing with my race differently. We watched our goverment stand pat as
we we being lynched, raped and beaten in the 40's-50s and 60s, & 70's.. We
learn of secret tapings of Martin Luther King with FBI director calling Dr
King a "Terrorist" !!!! They called every African American leader "un-patriotic",
and a threat to our nation.
To Dedric:
The Civil war was not a war to end slaverly. You nned to to more research.
Ending slavery was a neccessay means
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Tue, 11 July 2006 00:54 |
Dubya Mark Wilson
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north thrived..
DJ: Don;t belive all the Japan nees cars are great hype and cheap: They are
not cheap. A hond accord can cost you upwards to $27,000 ..so can a Camery..
It's all perception my friend. The guys and gals who work for Toyota & Honda
in th states are all $$Highly paid .. I've owned Honda's, Toyota, Jags nd
GM, Ford, Chryslers..and The Honda, while agreat engine, rusted after 6 years
on all it's panels.. Now I know this due to my neck of the woods (Mid-west)
acid rain, salted roads in the winter....BUT, non of my american cars rust
like this..Even more. for us , since everyone here get's a employee discount
on (GM's, Ford, Chryslers) it just works out better $$$ to get a domestic
car.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I don't think the administration or the democrats want to close the borders.
>It wouldn't be politically prodent. whoever does that loses the hispanic
>vote.
>
>>My questions are: Whatever happed to "We" US people will let you guys fight
>your little war, and you'll "Bush-ites" will give us cheap gas??<
>
>Where did you get that? Can you quote a source. That was the Clinton mantra
>my friend. The ecenomy appears to be good so let's keep whistling in the
>dark aned not rock the boat while the threats gather on the horizon. If
911
>would have happened a year earlier, the blame would have been clear to even
>you.
>
>>Well, we all got reamed with no grease on all fronts.. I live on a boader
>state-city (Cannda/Windor Ontario).. I guess since we're not geting the
>infl;ux
>of hispanics like you guys in the southwest, there is not a big brew ha..No,
>up here, it's about Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Gas$$$$ Gas $$$$ Gas$$$$..<
>
>I've got no problem with peoiple who happen to be from Mexico or anywhere
>else. I've got a problem with an uncontrolled border and with terrorists..As
>far as jobs jobs jobs are concerned, perhaps you should consider the reason
>why the detroit auto industry doesn't produce cars that people want to buy
>anymore. Compared to what is available from the foriegn competitors, they
>are overpriced crap my friend. If they built the Honda spec, the car would
>cost so much that no one would buy it because of the amount of union lard
>that is ladled onto the price tag of each vehicle so they cut corners and
>build cheap because that the only way they can achieve a copmpetitive price
>point. They have been crap since the early 70's.
>
>
>
>
>
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70213 is a reply to message #70196] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 02:09 |
rick
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>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e95d65$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey DJ,
>> Do you think that just maybe the Bush(ites) don't want to close the
>borders?
>> I mean, hes' the great protector and all..Right?
>> Just maybe they have something more elaborate up their collective sleeves
>> Humm??
>>
>> Maybe they want another 911..TO:
>>
>> -Really convince the american people that "total globalization" and
>expansion
>> is the only way..
>>
>> -spread democracy to evey corner of the earth.
>>
>> -Convices us that we must be at war until Jesus comes back..
>>
>> My questions are: Whatever happed to "We" US people will let you guys
>fight
>> your little war, and you'll "Bush-ites" will give us cheap gas??
>>
>> Well, we all got reamed with no grease on all fronts.. I live on a boader
>> state-city (Cannda/Windor Ontario).. I guess since we're not geting the
>infl;ux
>> of hispanics like you guys in the southwest, there is not a big brew
>ha..No,
>> up here, it's about Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Gas$$$$ Gas $$$$ Gas$$$$..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >LaMont,
>> >
>> >I certainly respect you faith, whatever that may be. I certainly disagree
>> >with your opinions though. I'll be as ready as anyone for a new
>> >administration, but it will need to be an administration that is willing
>> to
>> >fight, not appease.......and the idea of the likes of Harry Reed, Pelosi,
>> >Kennedy, etc. having positions of greater power and influence bode ill
>for
>> >the future of this nation. I do agree with you about the border
>situation.
>> >that's the biggest clusterfuck that Bush has pulled, IMHO. the first
>thing
>> >we should have done after 911 was secure the borders, no matter what
the
>> >cost politically and monetarily. I doubt, however, that anyone, democrat
>> or
>> >republican will be willing to do this. Folks may be paranoid about NYC,
>> but
>> >Houston is where the energy infrastructure lies and one nuke in or around
>> >the Houston ship channel and we're toast.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >DJ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e93a92$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Dj, you rally believe this "If the left can't get Bush at the ballot
>ox,
>> >then
>> >> let's get the media allies on board and just take the whole damned
>country
>> >> down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive ideology.."
>> >>
>> >> This is not about the left or the tight, dems & reps. you have drank-ed
>> >the
>> >> kool-aid of the Bush(ites).. Most Republicans have abandoned ship long
>> >time
>> >> ago and are now willing to stand up and disagree with the
>President.Callit
>> >> Mid-term elections.
>> >>
>> >> One thing is for sure, any other Republican president would not have
>gone
>> >> down this road.. Thi
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70215 is a reply to message #70199] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 05:22 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
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>> >fought
>> >> (union) hard battles wars) for better working conditions and fair pay.
>> >Some
>> >> lives were lost. That kind of spirit can be found in all Northern (Blue
>> >Collar)
>> >> Blue states... Most of us are hunters and great fishermen. We love
our
>> >guns..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So, you play that dems & repubs game all you like. But, both whites
and
>> >non
>> >> whites in our neck of the woods can smell a Rat!! and that schicht
is
>> >coming
>> >> from the white house..
>> >> No, we have bigger problems to worry about than some played up war
form
>> >some
>> >> imperialistic games. We have our jobs, gas prices, educating our
>> >children..than
>> >> to bogged down in a stupid so -called war..
>> >> You say that's being minded and soft..I say, We are not drinking the
>> >kool-aid..
>> >> So, if the 33 percent of you get your kicks out of prepping for war,
>then
>> >> be my guess. Go out play war all you want. Stay on the "edge" ... Watch
>> >Fox
>> >> new network all day and night...By the way: Since the Hezbollah/Israeli
>> >war
>> >> came to ahead, the networks have cut to a more Pressing story......
>> >> They found the Jonbenet Ramsey murderer!!......
>> >>
>> >> Fox news has all hand on deck and a camera man waiting for this kook
to
>> >get
>> >> off the plane!! a few stories about the war. Ohh..I guess, since we
>were
>> >> losing that war, in was not new worthy.
>> >>
>> >> Now, you say...What are the Dems going to.. Well, they can't do much
>worse
>> >> than that last regime..I mean, do i feel safer because Bush is in
>> >office???
>> >> No.. I feel safe for me and my family because God is still on thrown!!
>> He
>> >> is my protector..Every man (boy , girl) has an appointed time to live
>> and
>> >> to die. Me and ,ine put our trust in God's hands, not a
>> >President(Republican
>> >> or Democrat)..
>> >>
>> >> See, those you who are fearful because you've put your hope and faith
>> and
>> >> trust in a Man!! Well, Men, will fail you all the time. Those of us
>who
>> >> are believing Christians, should know better to put our hope, faith
and
>> >trust
>> >> in a Man.. That's suicide and stupid!
>> >> Even worst,putting your Hope, trust, and faith in a Politician..
>> >> are we that stupid ??
>> >> Next regime please..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >>Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the
>current
>> >> >administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in
>and
>> >>
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70219 is a reply to message #70212] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 09:59 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
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people question your loyalty? I have never seen so many
>>>americans hoping for our defeat. Our brave soldiers are succeeding
>>>despite the best efforts of both the jihadis and the left.
>>>
>>>
>>>>So, what will the Bush(ites) do...hummm..Let's see since recruitment
is
>>>way
>>>>way down(toilet), the US need fresh recruits
>>>>to re-vamp the forces for 1)ground attacks and home-land security, and
>>middle-east
>>>>occupation.....
>>>
>>>Actually, as with much of your rap, you got the facts wrong again.
>>>
>>>http://www.azstarnet.com/news/141607
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well, the poor & middle class whites are not showing up at the local
recruiting
>>>>centers like they did in post 911...And it seems, that the African Americans
>>>>don't want any part of these wars what so ever...(hey, they're busy in
>>the
>>>>prisons)providing big business cheap telemarketing services..(true)..
>>>
>>>While African immigrants are wildly successful here, and the
>>>left still refuses to look at the results of their misguided programs...
>>>The imprisonment rate of African Americans closely follows the rate
>>>of decline in intact families which inversely follows the rate of
>>>paternalistic liberal programs. But no, it's so much easier to
>>>blame Bush.
>>>
>>>
>>>The
>>>>American Hispanics too, have dropped off the recruiting radar.. So, where
>>>>oh where are they going to get those solders ...Humm
>>>>
>>>>I think the answer lies with our new "Border Crossers" aka, new Americans
>>>>for hire.. And they will make up a good portion of the new American Armed
>>>>forces.
>>>
>>>Is there actual evidence for this?
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dj, do we agree that the Bush(ites) want permanant bases in the middle
>>east?
>>>>Okay? Do you think that the people of the middle east will stand for
permanant
>>>>US bases there? Do you think, that we should pull the troops out and
nuke
>>>>the entire region???
>>>
>>>A secular and democratic state would do so. Hence Iraq.
>>>Remember, we would like to avoid nukes?
>>>
>>>
>>>>See, the latter (Nuke) is what the Dems has done. Your so called Prsident
>>>>and any other Republican love war for war sake.. The Dems, ended the
WW2
>>>>(in the PAcific)..BOooooommmmm. Weak, are they..??? I'll let that record
>>>>stand..
>>>
>>>Of course, a Republican (Lincoln) ended slavery, but it looks like
>>>that record doesn't stand for much with you. Oh, it's in the past?
>>>Well so are the days of Democrats being *anything* like Truman.
>>>
>>>And EVERY SIN
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70220 is a reply to message #70208] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 11:16 |
jef knight[1]
Messages: 201
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GLE Truman or even Kennedy democrat has been
>>>purged from the democratic party, the most recent being a good
>>>and decent Kennedy liberal named Leiberman.
>>>
>>>Listen LaMont, I am not a conservative, and neither is DJ. You need
>>>to admit that this is a complex and difficult issue and good points
>>>can be made on both sides. Come, let us reason together.
>>>
>>>There's a lot at stake.
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
>>
>>My reference to DJ was to make a point that so -called Liberal thinkers are
> not weak.. Just a little historical facts<
I'm not talking about history. I'm talking about the here and now.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e9fa4a$1@linux...
>
> My reference to DJ was to make a point that so -called Liberal thinkers
are
> not weak.. Just a little historical facts..that's all..
> P.S.
> Do you no any bible at all?? Yeah, I thought you didn't..
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersincuba.org> wrote:
> >
> >LaMont,
> >
> >Once again you misuse the Bible. This is the second time you have
> >presented the Beatitudes as behaviour guidelines when that is
> >not what they were intended as, and you did so in the context of
> >BRAGGING about what brave war fighters democrats are, as in
> >WE dropped THE BOMB!! BOOM!!
> >
> >So hey, which one of the "peacemakers" are you?
> >
> >You clearly have no interest in what anyone else thinks here, and
> >nothing anyone says makes any difference to you.
> >
> >Why are you wasting our time with this?
> >
> >DC
> >
>On 8/21/06 11:43 AM, in article 44e9f0b4$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> Dedric..No...You don;t confuse the two. I know who I am and who is lord of
> my life (Jesus). Just because we differ on Us politics and events, does not
> mean that people who Christians who think like me are not.
>
> Politics & religion: Let's see..This current regime used
> relifion(Christianity)
> to get re-eletced. Tell them to "not confuse the two"!!
That's political propaganda. I never heard Bush claim religion of any kind
as a reason to vote for him. If you as a Christian are saying he shouldn't
even claim to be one as a politician, then you are simply hastening the
demise of anyone's right to claim any faith of any kind in public.
You've extrapolated your own perception of the election after the fact to
make your argument.
>
> Did not Jesus say the following:
>
Yes, and it is applicable all the time, but I don't see your point of
quoting it in the context of this discussion, other than to backup my point.
>
> Blessed are you when men reproach you, and
> persecute you, and speaking falsely, say all manner of evil against you,
> for my sake.
This just proves my actual point in my last post if you read it more
carefully, fwiw.
>
> That's what I know and belive. You can can continue to belive is this false
> bravado you call Patriotism and love by it.
Patriotism isn't bravado - only a flag-burning, moral relativistic mentality
degrades it to that state. I don't doubt you believe these verses, as I do,
but if you, or anyone else truly wanted to live the last verse you quoted
and all of the others, they would feel the need to make the accusations and
claims you have made in calling our government killers and saying you would
rather support terrorists.
>
> As for me and my family, we will continue to ride in our mini vans, and drink
> slurpies while heading down to Costcos..
>
So then, why bring up auto worker unions and gun rights as part of your
argument against Christians and citizens that *don't* make it a habit of
slandering the President and our government just to appease our
frustrations, whatever they may be?
I don't follow your reasoning. Reread my post. It wasn't the blind retort
to your post you might think, though I was refuting several points of your
argument. It was a broader perspective on the state of our country's
values, which I will continually assert is a source and symptom of the
*real* problem - one tha
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Tue, 11 July 2006 11:33 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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.. Yeah, all those guys died
for cheap labor...
Man, you need to get out more. You are the black version of
the John Birch society and the Illuminati crowd...
And every African American leader is called unpatriotic?
WHAT?
Except for these guys:
http://www.tuskegeeairmen.org/
and these guys:
http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=2349
oh, and these guys:
http://www.homeofheroes.com/e-books/mohE_black/index1.html
and this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Thomas
and this guy
http://www.tsowell.com/
and this guy:
http://www.lynnswann.com/
and this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell
and this guy:
http://www.alankeyes.com/
and this guy:
http://www.larryelder.com/
And this guy
http://www.core-online.org/Staff/roy.htm
And this guy:
http://www.core-online.org/Staff/niger.htm
And this guy:
http://www.hoover.org/bios/steele
and this guy:
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/
Oh, I FORGOT, they are not liberals! Well then, they are not
African American right?
The only REAL African American leaders are liberals, right?
DCNo, it happened the first time in 1992 and they didn't succeeded in bringing
down the towers
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iraq/956-tni.htm
........they were just a little late in getting it together in 2001, but
Clinton gave them plenty of breathing room to get it right. Bush just
happened to be president by that time......but in the meantime, they had a
couple of trial runs and managed to bring down a couple of
embassies.........
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1 998/08/08/wbom08
..html
and if you want to talk about conspiracies, there's this........
http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/aug1998/bomb-a13.shtml
oops........but wait.........that would be the Clinton administration being
accused of blowing up our own people in a terrorist plot instead of the the
Bush administration and so I doubt that this would fity your agenda.
........and so your point is what???.......that 911 wouldn't have happened if
Gore had been elected?
but I guess that doesn't count huh?
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e9f9b2$1@linux...
>
> 911 a year earlier...Not..It happened on your guys watch! Period!!!
> You guys can try to swing it Clinton's way all you like, but you are in a
> very small minority. This is Bushes baby. He and his party "Stole the
election,
> and this is their reward!!
>
> The jury is still out about 911 and it's "true" culprits.. I put nothing
> past a nation who has a history of terrorist act against it's citizens
including
> assassinating presidents and political leaders and organizations. Now, if
> you are of white decent, then you wouldn't see things that way.. But, as
> an African American, we tend to see and view the US government and it's
past
> dealing with my race differently. We watched our goverment stand pat as
> we we being lynched, raped and beaten in the 40's-50s and 60s, & 70's.. We
> learn of secret tapings of Martin Luth
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Tue, 11 July 2006 11:42 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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er King with FBI director calling Dr
> King a "Terrorist" !!!! They called every African American leader
"un-patriotic",
> and a threat to our nation.
>
> To Dedric:
> The Civil war was not a war to end slaverly. You nned to to more research.
> Ending slavery was a neccessay means to an end. To get the "cheap" larbors
> from $$thriving" southern agriculutral industrys to the Nothern new
factories.
> The south was kicking the "Norths" behinds monetarily$$ With the souths
cheap
> "but" very laborers, the north could not compete.. So..How can we get some
> that Cheap labors(North)..Hummm.."The Slaves need to free" so they can
come
> up here and work for us...
> That's why Slavery ended. it had nothing to do with the so-called
"do-gooders".
> Yes abolishoinist we around, but it was the likes of big northern
industies
> and with the help of the US (Yankee) army to make that haapend. The south
> was fight for it's $$$$ life.. We all no what soon happend to the south
after
> the war when the slaves left the plantations..The south has never fully
recovered
> from that economic $$ hit. the north thrived..
>
> DJ: Don;t belive all the Japan nees cars are great hype and cheap: They
are
> not cheap. A hond accord can cost you upwards to $27,000 ..so can a
Camery..
> It's all perception my friend. The guys and gals who work for Toyota &
Honda
> in th states are all $$Highly paid .. I've owned Honda's, Toyota, Jags nd
> GM, Ford, Chryslers..and The Honda, while agreat engine, rusted after 6
years
> on all it's panels.. Now I know this due to my neck of the woods
(Mid-west)
> acid rain, salted roads in the winter....BUT, non of my american cars rust
> like this..Even more. for us , since everyone here get's a employee
discount
> on (GM's, Ford, Chryslers) it just works out better $$$ to get a domestic
> car.
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I don't think the administration or the democrats want to close the
borders.
> >It wouldn't be politically prodent. whoever does that loses the hispanic
> >vote.
> >
> >>My questions are: Whatever happed to "We" US people will let you guys
fight
> >your little war, and you'll "Bush-ites" will give us cheap gas??<
> >
> >Where did you get that? Can you quote a source. That was the Clinton
mantra
> >my friend. The ecenomy appears to be good so let's keep whistling in the
> >dark aned not rock the boat while the threats gather on the horizon. If
> 911
> >would have happened a year earlier, the blame would have been clear to
even
> >you.
> >
> >>Well, we all got reamed with no grease on all fronts.. I live on a
boader
> >state-city (Cannda/Windor Ontario).. I guess since we're not geting the
> >infl;ux
> >of hispanics like you guys in the southwest, there is not a big brew
ha..No,
> >up here, it's about Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Gas$$$$ Gas $$$$
Gas$$$$..<
> >
> >I've got no problem with peoiple who happen to be from Mexico or anywhere
> >else. I've got a problem with an uncontrolled border and with
terrorists..As
> >far as jobs jobs jobs are concerned, perhaps you should consider the
reason
> >why the detroit auto industry doesn't produce cars that people want to
buy
> >anymore. Compared to what is available from the foriegn competitors, they
> >are overpriced crap my friend. If they built the Honda spec, the car
would
> >cost so much that no one would buy it because of the amount of union lard
> >that is ladled onto the price tag of each vehicle so they cut corners and
> >build cheap because that the only way they can achieve a copmpetitive
price
> >point. They have been crap since the early 70's.
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e95d65$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Hey DJ,
> >> Do you think that just maybe the Bush(ites) don't want to close the
> >borders?
> >> I mean, hes' the great protector and all..Right?
> >> Just maybe they have something more elaborate up their collective
sleeves
> >> Humm??
> >>
> >> Maybe they want another 911..TO:
> >>
> >> -Really convince the american people that "total globalization" and
> >expansion
> >> is the only way..
> >>
> >> -spread democracy to evey corner of the earth.
> >>
> >> -Convices us that we must be at war until Jesus comes back..
> >>
> >> My questions are: Whatever happed to "We" US people will let you guys
> >fight
> >> your little war, and you'll "Bush-ites"
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will give us cheap gas??
> >>
> >> Well, we all got reamed with no grease on all fronts.. I live on a
boader
> >> state-city (Cannda/Windor Ontario).. I guess since we're not geting the
> >infl;ux
> >> of hispanics like you guys in the southwest, there is not a big brew
> >ha..No,
> >> up here, it's about Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Gas$$$$ Gas $$$$
Gas$$$$..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >LaMont,
> >> >
> >> >I certainly respect you faith, whatever that may be. I certainly
disagree
> >> >with your opinions though. I'll be as ready as anyone for a new
> >> >administration, but it will need to be an administration that is
willing
> >> to
> >> >fight, not appease.......and the idea of the likes of Harry Reed,
Pelosi,
> >> >Kennedy, etc. having positions of greater power and influence bode ill
> >for
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70232 is a reply to message #70225] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 18:27 |
Neil
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> >> >Fox
> >> >> new network all day and night...By the way: Since the
Hezbollah/Israeli
> >> >war
> >> >> came to ahead, the networks have cut to a more Pressing story......
> >> >> They found the Jonbenet Ramsey murderer!!......
> >> >>
> >> >> Fox news has all hand on deck and a camera man waiting for this kook
> to
> >> >get
> >> >> off the plane!! a few stories about the war. Ohh..I guess, since we
> >were
> >> >> losing that war, in was not new worthy.
> >> >>
> >> >> Now, you say...What are the Dems going to.. Well, they can't do much
> >worse
> >> >> than that last regime..I mean, do i feel safer because Bush is in
> >> >office???
> >> >> No.. I feel safe for me and my family because God is still on
thrown!!
> >> He
> >> >> is my protector..Every man (boy , girl) has an appointed time to
live
> >> and
> >> >> to die. Me and ,ine put our trust in God's hands, not a
> >> >President(Republican
> >> >> or Democrat)..
> >> >>
> >> >> See, those you who are fearful because you've put your hope and
faith
> >> and
> >> >> trust in a Man!! Well, Men, will fail you all the time. Those of us
> >who
> >> >> are believing Christians, should know better to put our hope, faith
> and
> >> >trust
> >> >> in a Man.. That's suicide and stupid!
> >> >> Even worst,putting your Hope, trust, and faith in a Politician..
> >> >> are we that stupid ??
> >> >> Next regime please..
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the
> >current
> >> >> >administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in
> >and
> >> >> >stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when
> >> >teaming
> >> >> >with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's
the
> >> >> >American public, not military leaders.<
> >> >> >
> >> >> >This is exactly what has happened. If the left can't get Bush at
the
> >> >ballot
> >> >> >box, then let's get the media allies onboard and just take the
whole
> >> >damned
> >> >> >country down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive
> >ideology.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:C10E111B.2942%dterry@keyofd.net...
> >> >> >> On 8/20/06 12:33 PM, in article 44e8aad4@linux, "DJ"
> >> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36
percent.
> >> That
> >> >> >says
> >> >> >> >> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him
> or
> >> >that
> >> >> >> > "sham"
> >> >> >> >> Iraq war.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and
was
> >> >still
> >> >> >going
> >> >> >> > strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took
> >office.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> And let's also not forget that the Iraq war we went to fight is
> over
> >> -
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> Hussein regime is no longer; no WMDs in sight, done. But
instead,
> >> we
> >> >> are
> >> >> >> now playing intervention peace maker to help the Iraq government
> >with
> >> >> what
> >> >> >> has turned into a nightmare rather than a transition. The
greatest
> >> >number
> >> >> >> of deaths from this "war" have happened directly because of the
> >> >insurgency
> >> >> >> of terrorists (car bombs, roadside bombs, snipers, etc) - not at
> the
> >> >hands
> >> >> >> of the old Iraqi military or Hussein, but by outsider terrorists
> and
> >> >thugs
> >> >> >> (the words of a couple of different US soldiers just back from
Iraq
> >> I
> >> >> >> recently talked with).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the
> >> >current
> >> >> >> administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe
> in
> >> and
> >> >> >> stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did
when
> >> >> >teaming
> >> >> >> with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's
> the
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70235 is a reply to message #70232] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 20:59 |
Carl Amburn
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I say the Israeli's use Paris and the Hizballers use ProTools or
at lest Nuendo...
heh hehOn 8/21/06 12:21 PM, in article 44e9f9b2$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> To Dedric:
> The Civil war was not a war to end slaverly. You nned to to more research.
> Ending slavery was a neccessay means to an end. To get the "cheap" larbors
> from $$thriving" southern agriculutral industrys to the Nothern new factories.
> The south was kicking the "Norths" behinds monetarily$$ With the souths cheap
> "but" very laborers, the north could not compete.. So..How can we get some
> that Cheap labors(North)..Hummm.."The Slaves need to free" so they can come
> up here and work for us...
> That's why Slavery ended. it had nothing to do with the so-called
> "do-gooders".
> Yes abolishoinist we around, but it was the likes of big northern industies
> and with the help of the US (Yankee) army to make that haapend. The south
> was fight for it's $$$$ life.. We all no what soon happend to the south after
> the war when the slaves left the plantations..The south has never fully
> recovered
> from that economic $$ hit. the north thrived..
I know. I was waiting to see if anyone caught the irony - a war for
monetary gain that we now look back on with a sort of "pride" that we
righted our "wrong". Yet in the same breath we choose to see no value to
the Iraqi people in being free from being held captive by a tyrannical
regime, simply because that wasn't the real reason for the war. Hmm, sounds
familiar. Have you made the connection?
We pick and choose what works for us - even after the deed is done,
regardless of the validity of the intent. That's the lesser known
definition of "politics". Big business rules not only our wallets, but our
hearts and political minds too. Time to look down the road up there in
Michigan if you want to blame someone for our oil motivated society that
even has a relationship with the Middle East...
I'll follow DC's request and abide by a cease fire. If you need to respond,
feel free. I'm off - work to do.
My next post will likely be about a plugin.
Dedric
>>>
>>
>>
>There is a new piece up on my guitar blog.
http://dcguitarjournal.blogspot.com/
It's called
Stop Obsessing and Play Some Music
Take a look if you can.
DCDC, it is now evident that you not only don't your bible, but you don't diddly-squat
about history either..
I won't berate you with verbal attacks, because I see that you're ignorant
and dumb.
Unlike DJ & Dedric, who have so elequently stated their views and with passion
and intelligence, you on the other hand have done neither.
"DC" <dc@spammersinharlem.com> wrote:
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>But, as
>>an African American, we tend to see and view the US government and it's
>past
>>dealing with my race differently. We watched our goverment stand pat as
>>we we being lynched, raped and beaten in the 40's-50s and 60s, & 70's..
>We
>>learn of secret tapings of Martin Luther King with FBI director calling
>Dr
>>King a "Terrorist" !!!! They called every African American leader "un-patriotic",
>>and a threat to our nation.
>
>
>What unmerciful bullsh*t. You mention all of that without ONE
>DAMN WORD about the bloodiest war in our history to end
>slavery, and in doing so you spit on the grave of every moral white
>man who died in that war, and every buffalo soldier and every other
>american who fought to end slavery. Oh, that's right, the Civil
>war was fought to get more cheap labor... Yeah, all those guys died
>for cheap labor...
>
>the John Birch society and the Illuminati crowd...
>
>
>And every African American leader is called unpatriotic?
>
>WHAT?
>
>Except for these guys:
>
>http://www.tuskegeeairmen.org/
>
>and these guys:
>
>http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=2349
>
>oh, and these guys:
>
>http://www.homeofheroes.com/e-books/mohE_black/index1.html
>
>and this guy
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Thomas
>
>and this guy
>
>http://www.tsowell.com/
>
>and this guy:
>
>http://www.lynnswann.com/
>
>and this guy
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell
>
>and this guy:
>
>http://www.alankeyes.com/
>
>and this guy:
>
>http://www.larryelder.com/
>
>And this guy
>
>http://www.core-online.org/Staff/roy.htm
>
>And this guy:
>
>http://www.core-online.org/Staff/niger.htm
>
>And this guy:
>
>http://www.hoover.org/bios/steele
>
>and this guy:
>
>http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/
>
>
>Oh, I FORGOT, they are not liberals! Well then, they are not
>African American right?
>
>The only REAL African American leaders are liberals, right?
>
>
>DC
>
>
>DC, it seems that you unlike 99 percent of African Americans agree with any
of those So called black conservatives.
Oh you forgot one: Condoleezza Rice.. Her name is not really popular within
the African American race these days as well..
Responding to your post are a waste of good mixing time.
"DC" <dc@spammersinharlem.com> wrote:
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>But, as
>>an African American, we tend to see and view the US government and it's
>past
>>dealing with my race differently. We watched our goverment stand pat as
>>we we being lynched, raped and beaten in the 40's-50s and 60s, & 70's..
>We
>>learn of secret tapings of Martin Luther King with FBI director calling
>Dr
>>King a "Terrorist" !!!! They called every African American leader "un-patriotic",
>>and a threat to our nation.
>
>
>What unmerciful bullsh*t. You mention all of that without ONE
>DAMN WORD about the bloodiest war in our history to end
>slavery, and in doing so you spit on the grave of every moral white
>man who died in that war, and every buffalo soldier and every other
>american wh
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70236 is a reply to message #70233] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 20:54 |
Chris Lang
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o fought to end slavery. Oh, that's right, the Civil
>war was fought to get more cheap labor... Yeah, all those guys died
>for cheap labor...
>
>the John Birch society and the Illuminati crowd...
>
>
>And every African American leader is called unpatriotic?
>
>WHAT?
>
>Except for these guys:
>
>http://www.tuskegeeairmen.org/
>
>and these guys:
>
>http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=2349
>
>oh, and these guys:
>
>http://www.homeofheroes.com/e-books/mohE_black/index1.html
>
>and this guy
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Thomas
>
>and this guy
>
>http://www.tsowell.com/
>
>and this guy:
>
>http://www.lynnswann.com/
>
>and this guy
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell
>
>and this guy:
>
>http://www.alankeyes.com/
>
>and this guy:
>
>http://www.larryelder.com/
>
>And this guy
>
>http://www.core-online.org/Staff/roy.htm
>
>And this guy:
>
>http://www.core-online.org/Staff/niger.htm
>
>And this guy:
>
>http://www.hoover.org/bios/steele
>
>and this guy:
>
>http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/
>
>
>Oh, I FORGOT, they are not liberals! Well then, they are not
>African American right?
>
>The only REAL African American leaders are liberals, right?
>
>
>DC
>
>
>Good article. I haven't finished anything in years because I cant get the
sound I want.
When I was 18 I would plug my guitar into the yellow stompbox, the 4-track
and yell into an SM57. Yeah it's not the best sounding stuff in
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Tue, 11 July 2006 21:02 |
Chris Lang
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the world,
but it was fun and I finished things back then.
Chuck
"DC" <dc@spammersinguitarcenter.org> wrote:
>
>There is a new piece up on my guitar blog.
>
>http://dcguitarjournal.blogspot.com/
>
>It's called
>
>Stop Obsessing and Play Some Music
>
>Take a look if you can.
>
>DC
>
>Well........I've figured out how I can use my outboard reverb/delay
processors simultaneously across multiple auxes on multiple submixes. It
would involve using one of these *per MEC*
http://www.rme-audio.com/english/adi/adi4dd.htm
interfaced with an ADAT card *per MEC* would give me 8 x stereo auxes by
patching each processor out>in>out>in.>out> and back to the processor input.
Now if I could just get zero latency with UAD processors in Paris my life
would be perfect. I figure that I could lose the UAD-1 cards and the
parallel Cubase mixdown rig altogether if I had, in addition to my current
rack gear, 6 x Pultecs, a Neve prism rack full of 1073's, 2 LA-2A's, 4 x
1176's and a pair of La-3A's for mixdowns.
Hmmm.........well.......that Cubase workazround is looking pretty good
again.....at least until I win the lotto or LaMont and I can agree on
somehing.......both scenarios seemingly having about the same odds..
;o)
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.org> wrote in message news:44ea0659$1@linux...
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
> >That sounds like the same kind of cease-fire that Israelis &
> >Hezbolla are having right now.
> >
> >Neil
>
>
> So who uses Paris and who uses ProTools?
>
> I say the Israeli's use Paris and the Hizballers use ProTools or
> at lest Nuendo...
>
> heh heh
>
>Thanks Churck.
DC
"Chuck Duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Good article. I haven't finished anything in years because I cant get the
>sound I want.
>
>When I was 18 I would plug my guitar into the yellow stompbox, the 4-track
>and yell into an SM57. Yeah it's not the best sounding stuff in the world,
>but it was fun and I finished things back then.
>
>Chuck
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinguitarcenter.org> wrote:
>>
>>There is a new piece up on my guitar blog.
>>
>>http://dcguitarjournal.blogspot.com/
>>
>>It's called
>>
>>Stop Obsessing and Play Some Music
>>
>>Take a look if you can.
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>what????..............you mean it's really possible to finish something?
"Chuck Duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:44ea16c5$1@linux...
>
> Good article. I haven't finished anything in years because I cant get the
> sound I want.
>
> When I was 18 I would plug my guitar into the yellow stompbox, the 4-track
> and yell into an SM57. Yeah it's not the best sounding stuff in the
world,
> but it was fun and I finished things back then.
>
> Chuck
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersinguitarcenter.org> wrote:
> >
> >There is a new piece up on my guitar blog.
> >
> >http://dcguitarjournal.blogspot.com/
> >
> >It's called
> >
> >Stop Obsessing and Play Some Music
> >
> >Take a look if you can.
> >
> >DC
> >
> >
>> would involve using one of these *per MEC*
Hmmm........actually I would only need one of these I think. The rest could
be daisy chained MEC-to-MEC.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:44ea175f@linux...
> Well........I've figured out how I can use my outboard reverb/delay
> processors simultaneously across multiple auxes on multiple submixes. It
> would involve using one of these *per MEC*
>
> http://www.rme-audio.com/english/adi/adi4dd.htm
> interfaced with an ADAT card *per MEC* would give me 8 x stereo auxes by
> patching each processor out>in>out>in.>out> and back to the processor
input.
>
> Now if I could just get zero latency with UAD processors in Paris my life
> would be perfect. I figure that I could lose the UAD-1 cards and the
> parallel Cubase mixdown rig altogether if I had, in addition to my current
> rack gear, 6 x Pultecs, a Neve prism rack full of 1073's, 2 LA-2A's, 4 x
> 1176's and a pair of La-3A's for mixdowns.
>
> Hmmm.........well.......that Cubase workazround is looking pretty good
> again.....at least until I win the lotto or LaMont and I can agree on
> somehing.......both scenarios seemingly having about the same odds..
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.org> wrote in message news:44ea0659$1@linux...
> >
> > "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >
> > >That sounds like the same kind of cease-fire that Israelis &
> > >Hezbolla are having right now.
> > >
> > >Neil
> >
> >
> > So who uses Paris and who uses ProTools?
> >
> > I say the Israeli's use Paris and the Hizballers use ProTools or
> > at lest Nuendo...
> >
> > heh heh
> >
> >
>
>At least with the current idiot I never have to turn off the evening news
in front of my kids because of the DNA and BJs.
;)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Oh No.. This biggest dumb -ass idiot is our current president for sure.
He's
>an embarrassment to this nation..
>
>
>
>"DJ" <
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Tue, 11 July 2006 21:32 |
Deej [1]
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The problem today is , do we have enough service men available for your
>>WW3
>>> war effort? A draft is eminent, But, not exactly politically wise or
>>popular
>>> with the way the Iraq thing went. hey can't sell a war if the previous
>>engagements
>>> haven't worked out..
>>>
>>> So, what will the Bush(ites) do...hummm..Let's see since recruitment
is
>>way
>>> way down(toilet), the US need fresh recruits
>>> to re-vamp the forces for 1)ground attacks and home-land security, and
>>middle-east
>>> occupation.....
>>>
>>> Well, the poor & middle class whites are not showing up at the local
>>recruiting
>>> centers like they did in post 911...And it seems, that the African
>>Americans
>>> don't want any part of these wars what so ever...(hey, they're busy in
>the
>>> prisons)providing big business cheap telemarketing services..(true)..The
>>> American Hispanics too, have dropped off the recruiting radar.. So, where
>>> oh where are they going to get those solders ...Humm
>>>
>>> I think the answer lies with our new "Border Crossers" aka, new Americans
>>> for hire.. And they will make up a good portion of the new American Armed
>>> forces.
>>> Of course to sell them on the idea of joining, they will be told that
>thew
>>> will be given full citizenship with out question, enjoy the same rights
>>that
>>> all Americans do, and be excepted like any other American citizen.. Well,
>>> it(assurances) worked for my people for every war the US government has
>>ever
>>> fought while on this continent..So, it should work for our new friends.
>>>
>>> Only this time, I hope that our Goverment lives up to it's promises to
>>them,
>>> unlike they did my people and the indigenous people of this country..
>>>
>>> Back to your points: (Which we all expelled from Michael Savages's
>>Liberal(ism)
>>> is a mental dissorder). That man, is one scared man.. very fearful and
>is
>>> a raging lunatic.What's his lines"Borders, Languages, and culture. Man,
>>what
>>> a lunatic, however, very entertaining..
>>>
>>> Dj, do we agree that the Bush(ites) want permanant bases in the middle
>>east?
>>> Okay? Do you think that the people of the middle east will stand for
>>permanant
>>> US bases there? Do you think, that we should pull the troops out and
nuke
>>> the entire region???
>>>
>>> See, the latter (Nuke) is what the Dems has done. Your so called Prsident
>>> and any other Republican love war for war sake.. The Dems, ended the
WW2
>>> (in the PAcific)..BOooooommmmm. Weak, are they..??? I'll let that record
>>> stand..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >LaMont (sigh..............)
>>> >
>>> >I've got a few thoughts below:
>>> >
>>> >"LaMont" <lad@american.com> wrote in message news:44e889dc$1@linux...
>>> >>
>>> >> "If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready
>to
>>> >fight.
>>> >> Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
>>> >change
>>> >> here."
>>> >>
>>> >> The only we should be ready to face is the (Bush-ites) neo-cons aka
>the
>>> >present
>>> >> rulers of our government. They are the ones who are taking away our
>>> >liberties,freedom
>>> >> under the guise of democracy.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Did you read any part of the link I posted? If so, are you dismissing
>it
>>> >completely?
>>> >
>>> >> It's really ashame that the 33-36 percent of you who still believe
>i
>>this
>>> >> regime, are still drinking the kool-iad that Tony Snow spills. It's
>soo
>>> >un-beliveable
>>> >> what they spew out these days to make their case. Now, it's become
>>> >laughable.
>>> >> Pretty pathetic that they continue to play the so called "RED-States
>>fear
>>> >> rhetoric to get support for thier imperialistic movement.
>>> >
>>> >Nobody wants war. Bin Ladin stated very publicly that the reason he
>>thought
>>> >he could win this war was because America no longer had the stomach
for
>>> war
>>> >and that we were weak. He's right, apparently. Just look at the polls.
>>> >Clinton would have surrendered by now. Bush, no way, and that's one
of
>>the
>>> >few things I like about him.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent. That
>>says
>>> >> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or
that
>>> >"sham"
>>> >> Iraq war.
>>> >
>>> >The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was still
>>going
>>> >strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took office.
>>> >>
>>> >> What's even funny is that folkd like yourself willing to die for this
>>> sham
>>> >> of a cause, when the President himself and other Elites, will never
>>take
>>> >> up arms. Nor will their families allow them to. See, that's what poor
>>> >folks
>>> >> are for. They take up arms for the rich. Hey, I don't blame Bush for
>>> >weasling
>>> >> out the vietam war..That was a smart thing to do. But, I'd be damm
>if
>>> I'd
>>> >> send or give my blessing to my sons for this most un-knoble cause.
>>> >> LAD
>>> >
>>> >Hmmm.........well, how about your poster child for all that is good
in
>>the
>>> >world, Bill Clinton? This argument is lame LaMont and you should know
>>it.
>>> >Let's look at how we got here, shall we? We're coming out of a war that
>>> has
>>> >caused a glitch in the economy and Bush I has to raise taxes to pay
for
>>> it.
>>> >Oher than that, it's roaring because of the Reagan tax cuts. We elect
>>slick
>>> >Willie because he talks a good game, there has been an end to the war,
>>> >sanctions are in place and the world is in a relatively stable condition.
>>> >The Soviet economic system has failed, capitalism is starting to remake
>>> >poliotical thinking in China (just as it has in Viet Nam) and there
are
>>> some
>>> >incredible changes and opportunities to be had in the world. There were
>>> >still lots of threats and apparatchiks who were basically gangsters
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70243 is a reply to message #70222] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 22:49 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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>> >middle east, China and Russia who might be associated with terrorism
>and
>>> >espionage off the table. Well, this kind of idealism is all fine and
>good
>>> in
>>> >a perfect world, but totally unrealistic in the *real* world. By the
>time
>>> he
>>> >left office we had lost all of our intelligence assets in the places
>we
>>> >needed them the most.......so throughout his administration, he spouts
>>off
>>> >about IRAQ having WMD's and periodically bombs here and there while
>>turning
>>> >a blind eye to the French, Russians and UN parasites who are doing
>>> >everything possible to ensure that Sadaam can continue to sell them
oil
>>> >under the table while rearming his military at the expense of the very
>>> >Iraqis that the sanctions were meant to protect........but hell man,
>the
>>> >polls said that this was a good thing and so rather than take any kind
>of
>>> >unpopular position, he went with the polls. Well look where we are now.
>>> This
>>> >is Clinton's doing, not Bush's. Bush just has the balls to do the right
>>> >thing and doesn'rt live by the polls.
>>> >
>>> >Also, he botched the opportunity to have Bin Laden when Sudan offered
>him
>>> >up. He did nothing when the Cole was bombed. He withdrew from Somalia
>>after
>>> >18 of our soldiers were killed which was one of the main reasons Bin
>>Laden
>>> >came to the conclusion that we were weak and would not fight. He, along
>>> with
>>> >Sen. Dennis DeConcini, Arizona Democrat, blocked the hiring of additional
>>> >Arabic translators. Janet Reno's 1995 edicts regarding cooperation
>>between
>>> >domestic intelligence agencies essentially hamstrung them and rendered
>>them
>>> >completely ineffective. I could go on and on...... A good intelligence
>>> >apparatus takes years to build but can be destroyed fairly quickly by
>an
>>> >idiot like Clinton.
>>> >
>>> >The deaths from the sanctions in Iraq was one of the main reasons Osama
>>> used
>>> >for recruitment and "rationalizing" 911. Clinton was relying on the
same
>>> >intelligence Bush was. Notice that when Congress was voting to authorize
>>> war
>>> >on Iraq, Bill Clinton did not state in any way, that there were no WMD,
>>> even
>>> >though it now turns out that if they were destroyed, it was in the early
>>> >1990's.
>>> >
>>> >The democrats are again relying on polls and there is no doubt in my
>mind
>>> >that if Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Kucinich and there ilk ascend
>to
>>> >power in the Congress, it will be a disaster because they cannot
>>reconcile
>>> >the fact that though 911 was not directly sponsored by Iraq, Iraq under
>>> >Sadaam was still a huge part of the picture...........made moreso by
>the
>>> >crappy intelligence apparatus that was the Clinton legacy..
>>> >
>>> >Though there is little evidence Saddam was behind 911, What there is,
>is
>>> >evidence that the sanctions were killing a lot of Iraqis and that
>>sanctions
>>> >were going to have to be lifted. Then would we be safe? Does anyone
think
>>> >that if sanctions were lifted on Saddam (which they would have to be,
>>since
>>> >there were no WMD), that Saddam today would not be going nuclear like
>>Iran?
>>> >If the lack of WMD was known in 2003, *our allies* would have placed
>>major
>>> >pressure to lift sanctions. And if sanctions were lifted, Saddam would
>be
>>> a
>>> >great danger. Do you think for one minute that Sadaam, seeing Iran going
>>> >nuclear, would not want to go there himself.......again........with
great
>>> >haste? If the sanctions were properly enforced, a lot of people would
>>not
>>> >have died but no one was protesting while people were dying then. It
>>> >wouldn't look good in the polls.
>>> >
>>> >Now LaMont, you seem to think that somehow if we just appease these
>>facists,
>>> >they will leave us alone and everyone would just be our buddy while
>>totally
>>> >ignoring the 8 years of unmitigated disaster that *was* the Clinton
>>> >administration. (and don't call me a ****'in neo-con....I voted for
him
>>> too)
>>> >
>>> >To be a *real* leader Clinton would have immediately recoginzed that
>the
>>> >entire planet was at a crucial place in the history. He could have
>>> >instituted a policy of energy independence while we were in a relatively
>>> >secure position. It wouldn't have been popular because he wanted to
>>balance
>>
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70244 is a reply to message #70236] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 22:55 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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;> >the budget (a fleeting PR move on paper that weakened our security in
>>many
>>> >ways). He could have exercised some *real* leadership rather than making
>>> >excuses for the Europeans when they were quite willing to allow yet
>>another
>>> >genocide in Kosovo while dealing us under the table with the sanctions
>in
>>> >Iraq.
>>> >
>>> >Had we had any decent intelligence, we might not have had the debacle
>in
>>> >Somalia, but oh no.......can't deal with unsavory characters now can
>we?
>>> The
>>> >polls wouldn't support this............and finally........Mr. Bill
>>abrogated
>>> >his responsibility as a wiorld leader (his great ambition, right) by
>not
>>> >calling the UN to account for ignoring the most inexcusable, racist
and
>>> >*unhumanitarian* act since the Holacaust by ignoring Rwanda completely
>>and
>>> >then offering up a teary eyed *excused* that he didn't know what was
>>> >happening. It was his job to know. If he did know, he's criminally
>>> >negligent. If he didn't know, he's criminally negligent. This failure
>of
>>> >leadership is inexcusable and smacks of extreme racism..
>>> >
>>> >Yeah.......let's let the liberals run the show again. I can't
>>> >wait...........and before you pop off and start calling me a neo-con,
>be
>>> >advised that I'm very much pro choice, in favor of population control
>and
>>> >think that organized religion has created a *rat breeding* mentality
>that
>>> >threatens the very existence of the human race, believe that global
>>warming
>>> >is very real and that we need to take action immediately or it's going
>to
>>> be
>>> >too late, am a borderline nut case when it comes to animal rights, hate
>>> war,
>>> >believe that immigration reform should be a humane process, believe
in
>>> >government funded stem cell research. I'm a bit of a secularist , but
>I
>>> >think it's totally unrealistic to ignore the fact that this is a country
>>> >wherein the vast majority of people profess to practice, or at least
>>believe
>>> >in some sort of religious philosophy.......the majority being various
>>sects
>>> >of Christianity. I also agree that some are extremists (not just the
>>> >Christians, IMO) but I also keep in mind that the majority has rights
>as
>>> >well as the minority. It think that given this situation it would be
>>better
>>> >to allow free expression of *all* religions and *no religions* within
>>> >certain contextual guidelines in an effort to foster open dialogue and
>>> >understanding between the religions and atheists/agnostics in an effort
>>> to
>>> >point out their many similarities in thinking/philosophy rather than
>>> >segregating this to the respective religious centers. It's not going
>to
>>> go
>>> >away and when segregated away from scrutiny, any idea ca
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70249 is a reply to message #70213] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 23:22 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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> >combat and the heat, but I'll guarantee you that I would have no
>>problem
>>> >> at
>>> >> >all if my son or daughter joined a volunteer army and that army was
>>> >called
>>> >> >on to fight, I would support them 100%.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready
>to
>>> >fight.
>>> >> >Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
>>> >> >change here. The politics of the left are much more abhorrent to
them
>>> >than
>>> >> >those of the right. They are, however, quite happy to allow the left
>>> to
>>> >> do
>>> >> >their political infighting for them here. The weaker and less resolved
>>> we
>>> >> >are the better they like it.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Here's what you're in for amigo:
>>> >> > http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 26
>>> >> >
>>> >> >The human rights section and the women's section is especially
>>wonderful.
>>> >> >Enjoy.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Regards,
>>> >> >
>>> >> >DJ
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>news:44e8083f$1@linux...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hopefully the opposing party, they would stand for our
>>constitutional
>>> >> >rights
>>> >> >> and it's Liberties..
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Even more, the opposing party would not be thrill seeking war
>>mongers,
>>> >> >who's
>>> >> >> only agenda is to spread freedom thru out he world (ha hah). I
would
>>> >hope
>>> >> >> any opposing party will grow some balls and speak out against this
>>> >> >tierney.
>>> >> >> There are just as many Democrats who signed on with the Bush(is)..
>>> But
>>> >> >> as we saw with the beginning of the mid term primaries, those
>>Democrats
>>> >> who
>>> >> >> were with the Bush(ites) went down with ship.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Evenmore.The thought of spreading democracy into a region were
war
>>> is
>>> >> >second
>>> >> >> nature for over 10,000 years is laughable at best. Those fold over
>>> >there(
>>> >> >> Iran, Iraq,Saudi Arabia, Syria, afghanistan,) will Never stop
>>fighting
>>> >> or
>>> >> >> give in to so called democracy..Never.
>>> >> >> Will you send you son or daughter over to fight??
>>> >> >> I thought so..
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >> >> >These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>>> >> >terrorist..Why??
>>> >> >> >At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>>> >> >Goverment.aka
>>> >> >> >Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me
and
>>> the
>>> >> >good
>>> >> >> >of this union.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >.........and if there was an election today, what would the
>>opposing
>>> >> >party
>>> >> >> >stand for Lamont?
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>> >news:44e79af9$1@linux...
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Steve, that link you posted does not make a
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70251 is a reply to message #70247] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 23:28 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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t; >> And to think, we let them Impeach Clinton.. Now, with our civil
>>> >> >liberties
>>> >> >> >> being taken from us, a Patriot act which gives the Gov and police
>>> >the
>>> >> >> >right
>>> >> >> >> to do anything they want. And a phony department names Department
>>> of
>>> >> >> >Homeland
>>> >> >> >> security, which is a weak as 2 minute cornflakes all under the
>>sham
>>> >> of
>>> >> >> >making
>>> >> >> >> us "feel safe"!! Safe from what ?? The terrorist??or our
>>> >Government???
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>>> >> >terrorist..Why??
>>> >> >> >> At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>>> >> >Goverment.aka
>>> >> >> >> Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me
>and
>>> >the
>>> >> >> good
>>> >> >> >> of this union. Not, to make us feel threaten, unpatriotic,
>>fearful,
>>> >> >> and
>>> >> >> >> distrustful of it's workings.They are threatening is taking
away
>>> >> >> >"free-speech,
>>> >> >> >> and most importantly, 'A right to decent!~!!" ..
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> I love the people of this Nation. For we are a great people!!!
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| Re: How do you handle it when....? [message #70252 is a reply to message #70249] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 01:58 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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>>But,
>>> >> we
>>> >> >> are
>>> >> >> >> under the leadership of a wanna be dictator!!and his cronnies..
>>> >> >Lastly,
>>> >> >> >> most Americans feel 'Less Safe " now than 2002.. Wanna bet?
Let's
>>> >first
>>> >> >> >ask
>>> >> >> >> the good folks from New Orleans & Mississippi and Alabama ..
>That
>>> >> >showed
>>> >> >> >> every American how our Government would respond if we were
>>> >attacked..???
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> "Steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>>>>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+cha
>>n
>>> >g
>>> >> >e
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >Nappy-
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >first of all, it's great to see you again!
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >second of all, I was pretty impressed by Loose Change.
>>> >> >> >> >Then some months later I read this:
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >Check it out!
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >-Steve
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>You really need to look at a DM2K... ;-)
David.
DJ wrote:
> Well........I've figured out how I can use my outboard reverb/delay
> processors simultaneously across multiple auxes on multiple submixes. It
> would involve using one of these *per MEC*
>
> http://www.rme-audio.com/english/adi/adi4dd.htm
> interfaced with an ADAT card *per MEC* would give me 8 x stereo auxes by
> patching each processor out>in>out>in.>out> and back to the processor input.
>
> Now if I could just get zero latency with UAD processors in Paris my life
> would be perfect. I figure that I could lose the UAD-1 cards and the
> parallel Cubase mixdown rig altogether if I had, in addition to my current
> rack gear, 6 x Pultecs, a Neve prism rack full of 1073's, 2 LA-2A's, 4 x
> 1176's and a pair of La-3A's for mixdowns.
>
> Hmmm.........well.......that Cubase workazround is looking pretty good
> again.....at least until I win the lotto or LaMont and I can agree on
> somehing.......both scenarios seemingly having about the same odds..
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.org> wrote in message news:44ea0659$1@linux...
>
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>That sounds like the same kind of cease-fire that Israelis &
>>>Hezbolla are having right now.
>>>
>>>Neil
>>
>>
>>So who uses Paris and who uses ProTools?
>>
>>I say the Israeli's use Paris and the Hizballers use ProTools or
>>at lest Nuendo...
>>
>>heh heh
>>
>>
>
>
>You are dead wrong. Mr Bush personally visited our Church and several other
area churches during the 2004 election. As well as Mr Karl Rove himself visited
on numerous occasions stating that Mr Bush is one of us.
Even back in mid 2002, we we one the three churches to hold the first National
day of Prayer celebration. in which Mr Bush was on -hand via satellite to
offer a support and prayers. You don't think he was using or mixng politics
with religion.
We have the largest base of Arabs in the nation here in Detroit, and i never
heard of Mr Bush stating that he wanted to participate in any other ritual
prayers.. ?? I wonder why?? Bad politics i guess...
being that our Pastor is a bush supporter..Where do you think the term "Faith
Based" initiative came from?? AND, what is it motive??
They used the so called faith-based initiative as a ra
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