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Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61506]

Sat, 17 December 2005 19:51

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61507 is a reply to message #61506]

Sat, 17 December 2005 20:17

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61508 is a reply to message #61507]

Sat, 17 December 2005 20:26

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61510 is a reply to message #61508]

Sat, 17 December 2005 21:07

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61512 is a reply to message #61506]

Sat, 17 December 2005 22:40

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news:43bd77d6$1@linux...
>>
>> Funny thing about this, and I know I'm gonna get slagged for it, is that
I
>> actually like the tonal qualities of the old XLR10 add on pack for the

>> CR1604
>> better than my VLZ preamps. They don't cut my head off, and I have tried
>> some fairly decent mics through them.
>>

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61513 is a reply to message #61512]

Sat, 17 December 2005 22:44

Aaron Allen

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/> >> AA
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>Buy the premp shootout CD at 3D audio and see if you can tell one iota
of
>>>difference between the Mackie VLZ Pro and some preamps costing 10 times
>> the
>>>price. I guarantee you will be surprised. With the Mackie VLZ's it's all
>>>about the mic you use. Put a decent mic on these and they shine. Pur a

>>>cheap
>>>POS on them with a bunch of fizzy top end distortion and they don't.
>>>
>>>My $0.02
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>"Tony Benson" <

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61514 is a reply to message #61512]

Sun, 18 December 2005 00:59

erlilo

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lank">tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43bd5d71@linux...
>>>> Listen for yourself indeed. This is always the best advice!
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:43bd5a4c$1@linux...
>>>> >
>>>> > With Mackie, it's always marketing hype. Mackie has been known to

>>>> > over
>>>> > hype
>>>> > their products, not to say they don't make reasonably good stuff.
>>>Always
>>>> > use your own ears. I remember reading somewhere on Gearslutz where
>>>> > somebody
>>>> > was taking their Onyx Mixer

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61515 is a reply to message #61513]

Sun, 18 December 2005 01:11

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back because the mic pres were too shrill
>>>and
>>>> > harsh. Of course every bodies got different ears, so listen for
>>>yourself!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>> >>so what will their next pres be? Even better, and then they'll have
>> to
>>>> >
>>>> >>come up with some adjectives to describe what is wrong with the
>>>> >>Onyx's.
>>>> >
>>>> >> I loves audio !
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Tony Benson wrote:
>>>> >>> From what I've heard, the Onyx pre's are a pretty big step up from
>> the
>>>> >
>>>> >>> VLZpro. I've had non-VLZ, VLZ, and VLZpro Mackie boards, and though
>>>the
>>>> >
>>>> >>> VLZpro pre's where much better, they still had a "harshness" to
them
>>>> >>> that
>>>> > I
>>>> >>> didn't care for. The Onyx are supposed to be much smoother sounding.
>>>> >>> I'll
>>>> >
>>>> >>> have to borrow my friends for a week so I can comment from first

>>>> >>> hand
>>>> >
>>>> >>> knowledge.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Tony
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>> >>> news:43bd4431@linux...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>know there was a diff in VLZ and VLZpro.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>Yes there is a big difference. The VLZpro series is where Mackie

>>>> >>>>rose
>>>> >>>>high on the radar of the pro user for quality, usefullness and bang
>>>for
>>>> >>>>the buck mic pre. Of course, you gotta use the insert out via first
>>>> >>>>click
>>>> >>>>method and avoid the channel.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>Regards,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>El Miguel
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>"Rod Lincoln" <

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61516 is a reply to message #61514]

Sun, 18 December 2005 01:14

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>rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> >>>>news:43bd177a$1@linux...
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>Don't know...I just asked him what he used, and that's what he

>>>> >>>>>said.
>>>> > I
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>didn't
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>know there was a diff in VLZ and VLZpro.
>>>> >>>>>Rod
>>>> >>>>>"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>Right now his chain is a Mackie 1402 vlz into the Digi 002.
>>>> >>>>>>>>Any suggestions?
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>Is this Mackie the VLZpro series?
>>>> >>>>>>I don't know how the new Onyx pres compare.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>He could try to audition the cheap Behringer ADA8000 with it.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>http://www.studioprojects.com/sp828.

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61517 is a reply to message #61514]

Sun, 18 December 2005 01:16

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>>>> >>>>>>This is an 8 channel mic pre about $800, that needs to be run
into
>>>an
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>ADC.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>>Just ideas to keep cost in check.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>Regards,
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>El Miguel
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>news:43bca3d6@linux...
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>Yeah, avoid that LT man.. cheap hardware, inconsistent volumes
>>>across
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>it
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>and
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61519 is a reply to message #61517]

Sun, 18 December 2005 01:29

erlilo

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>>>>>>stage.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>He wants it to be good, but affordability is a concern. He was
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>looking
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>a
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>a presonus digimax LT, but I saw that Aaron had some experience
>>>with
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>those
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>and wasn't that hot on them.
>>>> >>>>>>>>Right now his chain is a Mackie 1402 vlz into the Digi 002.
>>>> >>>>>>>>Any suggestions?
>>>> >>>>>>>>TIA
>>>> >>>>>>>>Rod
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>I used to take on old Mackie 1202, a DA30II and two Neumann U89i's out
to do choral stuff... sounded awesome, very low noise too.

David.

Aaron Allen wrote:

> Funny thing about this, and I know I'm gonna get slagged for it, is that I
> actually like the tonal qualities of the old XLR10 add on pack for the CR1604
> better than my VLZ preamps. They don't cut my head off, and I have tried
> some fairly decent mics through them.
>
> AA
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>>Buy the premp shootout CD at 3D audio and see if you can tell one iota of
>>difference between the Mackie VLZ Pro and some preamps costing 10 times
>

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61520 is a reply to message #61517]

Sun, 18 December 2005 01:32

erlilo

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> the
>
>>price. I guarantee you will be surprised. With the Mackie VLZ's it's all
>>about the mic you use. Put a decent mic on these and they shine. Pur a cheap
>>POS on them with a bunch of fizzy top end distortion and they don't.
>>
>>My $0.02
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>news:43bd5d71@linux...
>>
>>>Listen for yourself indeed. This is always the best advice!
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43bd5a4c$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>With Mackie, it's always marketing hype. Mackie has been known to over
>>>>hype
>>>>their products, not to say they don't make reasonably good stuff.
>>
>>Always
>>
>>>>use your own ears. I remember reading somewhere on Gearslutz where
>>>>somebody
>>>>was taking their Onyx Mixer back because the mic pres were too shrill
>>
>>and
>>
>>>>harsh. Of course every bodies got different ears, so listen for
>>
>>yourself!
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>so what will their next pres be? Even better, and then they'll have
>
> to
>
>>>>>come up with some adjectives to describe what is wrong with the Onyx's.
>>>>
>>&

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61521 is a reply to message #61519]

Sun, 18 December 2005 01:32

Deej [1]

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gt;>> I loves audio !
>>>>>
>>>>>Tony Benson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>From what I've heard, the Onyx pre's are a pretty big step up from
>
> the
>
>>>>>>VLZpro. I've had non-VLZ, VLZ, and VLZpro Mackie boards, and though
>>
>>the
>>
>>>>>>VLZpro pre's where much better, they still had a "harshness" to them
>>>>>>that
>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>>>didn't care for. The Onyx are supposed to be much smoother sounding.
>>>>>>I'll
>>>>
>>>>>>have to borrow my friends for a week so I can comment from first hand
>>>>
>>>>>>knowledge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:43bd4431@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>know there was a diff in VLZ and VLZpro.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes there is a big difference. The VLZpro series is where Mackie rose
>>>>>>>high on the radar of the pro user for quality, usefullness and bang
>>
>>for
>>
>>>>>>>the buck mic pre. Of course, you gotta use the insert out via first
>>>>>>>click
>>>>>>>method and avoid the channel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>El Miguel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:43bd177a$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Don't know...I just asked him what he used, and that's what he said.
>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>>>>didn't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>know there was a diff in VLZ and VLZpro.
>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wr

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61522 is a reply to message #61520]

Sun, 18 December 2005 01:50

Deej [1]

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ote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Right now his chain is a Mackie 1402 vlz into the Digi 002.
>>>>>>>>>>>Any suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Is this Mackie the VLZpro series?
>>>>>>>>>I don't know how the new Onyx pres compare.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>He could try to audition the cheap Behringer ADA8000 with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.studioprojects.com/sp828.html
>>>>>>>>>This is an 8 channel mic pre about $800, that needs to be run into
>>
>>an
>>
>>>>>>>ADC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Just ideas to keep cost in check.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>El Miguel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>news:43bca3d6@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yeah, avoid that LT man.. cheap hardware, inconsistent volumes
>>
>>across
>>
>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>just generally felt shoddy.
>>>>>>>>>>I'd take a Behr ADA8000 over it 'any day' to be honest, and it's
>
> a
>
>>>>>>>whole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>lo

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61523 is a reply to message #61522]

Sun, 18 December 2005 02:06

erlilo

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t
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>less money.
>>>>>>>>>>Not sure what the current recommend is though bro, I've been out
>
> of
>
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>market for a while now and I'd hate to mislead ya.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>AA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>news:43bc0147$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I've got a friend/client who's looking for an 8 channel mic pre
>>
>>that
>>
>>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>lightpipe/spdif
>>>>>>>>>>>outs. He's running a digi 002 rig and wants to bypass the digi
>
> A/D
>
>>>>>>>>>stage.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>He wants it to be good, but affordability is a concern. He was
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>looking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>a presonus digimax LT, but I saw that Aaron had some experience
>>
>>with
>>
>>>>>>>>>those
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>and wasn't that hot on them.
>>>>>>>>>>>Right now his chain is a Mackie 1402 vlz into the Digi 002.
>>>>>>>>>>>Any suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>>>TIA
>>>>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>
>This is an interesting concept, but does it work? And does it work in PARIS?

ThanksSo I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
collection-Kurz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
into the SX thing.
I haven't gotten into the soft synth thing at all so I'm a
little

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61554 is a reply to message #61506]

Sun, 18 December 2005 18:26

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most cases. I didn't ever try my old Mackie 1604 board for recording.
>
>> I did try my VLZ and VLZpro boards though. I just remember everything
>> sounding "brittle". At that time, I only had a few "decent" mics though
>
>> (AT4050-CM5 and 4031's). When I switched to an A&H board and the pre's
>> seemed more even. Then I went to a Trident iX one 16 ch unit and it sounds
>
>> pretty similar to the A&H. Anyway, I digress. I wasn't knocking the older
>
>> Mackie stuff, hell I've bought 4 of th

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61555 is a reply to message #61554]

Sun, 18 December 2005 19:10

audioguy_editout_

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eir mixers and am looking hard at
>
>> their new TT24 digital board for my band (I'm using a Roland VM7200 digital
>
>> board now). I'm sure with the right mic any half way decent pre can sound,
>
>> well, decent. ;>)
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <nope@diespam.not> wrote in message news:43bd77d6$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Funny thing about this, and I know I'm gonna get slagged for it, is that
> I
>>> actually like the tonal qualities of the old XLR10 add on pack for the
>
>>> CR1604
>>> be

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Re: Calibrating faders on a Houston controller...anyone? [message #61562 is a reply to message #61555]

Sun, 18 December 2005 23:21

Deej [1]

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>
>"Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote:
>
>This is an interesting concept, but does it work? And does it work in PARIS?
>
>Thanks

Havent tried it in Paris but I tried it and using it to capture my Daking
EQ it performed very well. I could not hear the difference between the two,
in fact I actually picked the qclone as being the hardware (it was so close
I was practically guesing though).It will look just like the OnyxVLZpro though. Right down to the circuit
board layout. ;>)

Tony

On 1/5/06 11:23 PM, in article 43bdff44@linux, "Aaron Allen"
<nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:

> Nay. Behringer will come out with the Sable ZLV for cheaper, killing the
> hype first :P
>
> AA
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
> news:43bd586e$1@linux...
>> Well, maybe OnyxVLZpro? ;>)
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43bd4a7b$1@linux...
>>> so what will their next pres be? Even better, and then they'll have to
>>> come up with some adjectives to describe what is wrong with the Onyx's. I
>>&

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OK.....I'm there.........now moving on....... [message #61630 is a reply to message #61562]

Mon, 19 December 2005 20:41

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