| Would you rather... [message #83005] |
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| Re: Would you rather... [message #83032 is a reply to message #83028] |
Fri, 13 April 2007 07:01  |
chuck duffy
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d corrected. New data sets have
also been developed that do not show such discrepancies. See-also
previous RC posts.
Temperature leads CO2 by 800 years in the ice cores. Not quite as true
as they said, but basically correct; however they misinterpret it. The
way they said this you would have thought that T and CO2 are
anti-correlated; but if you overlay the full 400/800 kyr of ice core
record, you can't even see the lag because its so small. The correct
interpretation of this is well known: that there is a T-CO2 feedback:
see RC again for more.
All the previous parts of the programme were leading up to "so if it
isn't CO2, what is it?" to which their answer is "solar". The section
was curiously weak, and largely lead by pictures of people on beaches.
It was somewhat surprising that they didn't feature Svensmark at all;
other stuff we've commented on before. Note that the graph they used as
"proof" of the excellent solar-T connection turns out to have some
problems: see figure 1c of Damon and Laut.
Along the way the programme ticked off most of the other obligatory
skeptic talking points: even down to Medieval English vineyards and that
old favourite, volcanoes emitting more CO2 than humans.
It ended with politics, with a segment blaming the lack of African
development on the environmental movement. We don't want to get into the
politics, but should point out what the programme didn't: that Kyoto
exempts developing nations."
Keeping it real is a very good idea. So it's best to look at the science
and go from there.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Rich Lamanna wrote:
> Jamie and the rest of you Parisites, here's another view regarding the
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| Re: Would you rather... [message #83041 is a reply to message #83035] |
Fri, 13 April 2007 11:48 |
chuck duffy
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song on the Dukes of the
>>Stratosphere
>>albumn from when I was back in college. That was an alias for XTC, it was
>>one of their little side projects.
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>..Brainiacs Daughter? I'm trying to find some of their music to listen
>>to
>>>or buy, but no luck!
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>
>Actually, though this guy is obviously disturbed, I don't think the
humans-as-disease-on-earth-as-organism is all that far-fetched as a crude
analogy. And like viruses or bacteria that cause disease in our bodies,
humans will die off if they "kill" the host, or if the host's defenses get
the better of them. Nature has ways of dealing with overpopulation. If we
don't control it, nature will. No worries.
As far as the 2nd Amendment . . . listen, guns don't kill people, it's the
bullets. :)
S
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.org> wrote in message news:463f6e43$1@linux...
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> Read this
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> http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2007/20070506180903 .aspx
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> then this:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Rainbow-Six-Tom-Clancy/dp/0425170349
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> And you shall understand...
>
> DC
>Oh man, I'm so sorry I missed that. I'm glad I got a picture, anyway. :)
S
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:463f588f@linux...
>I always wonder what people will be like when I have been talking to them
>on the net and then I am finally going to meet them. These thoughts were
>sorta' in the back of my mind as I was driving up there Thursday. As it
>turned out, I don't think I could have imagined a better bunch of folks. It
>was great hanging out with you guys. What a cool group of creative
>individuals we have here.
>
> Thanks for the great time and hospitality....and for putting up with
> me.......I only drove the wrong way down a freeway once.
>
> ;o)
>Jeez, some conservative he turned out to be. I want my money back. Er . .
.. I mean . . .
S
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:463f3746$1@linux...
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> Sarkozy on global warming:
>
> "a great nation like the United States has the duty not to oppose the
> fight against global warming, but to lead that battle, because what is at
> stake is the destiny of mankind."
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>> France Elects a Thatcherite President
>> Kenneth R. Timmerman
>> Monday, May 7, 2007
>> Newsmax.com
>>
>> On Sunday France elected a pro-American, conservative named Nicolas
>> Sarkozy
>> as its new president.
>>
>> The 52-year-old who beat back by 10 percent
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| Re: Would you rather... [message #83046 is a reply to message #83041] |
Fri, 13 April 2007 17:04 |
Aaron Allen
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target="_blank"> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/5/6/150434.sht ml?s=al&promo_code=3392-1
>> >>>
>> >>> Carry on,
>> >>> Rich
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
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>me and sleeping with fists on my 57th...
On Mon, 07 May 2007 18:04:18 -0500, Paul Braun
<cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>After all these years of talking to people here, I only know what
>maybe one or two of you look like.
>
>I want visuals.
>
>So, if everyone will email me a recent photo of yourself to pbraun at
>ctgonline dot org, I will assemble a gallery of the Paris Family and
>post it on my server for all to see.
>
>Sound like a deal?
>
>Thought so.
>
>do it.
>
>pabNope. That is the smear campaign, not the facts. There is some
dispute, many challenges remain and have been strengthened since the
movie.
Besides, the prejudice in what you said is clear. How do you know that
someone who questions the current orthodoxy is an anti-environmentalist?
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1945
The real scary thing for the Gore-ites is the ongoing research into
climate change on Mars... It seems to be a parallel to our own. If that
is the case, humans are not the cause.
DC
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>Haven't we already been through this one? Isn't this Durkin guy a
>well-known and questionably honest anti-environmentalist who's being sued
by
>some of scientists he used in the film for misleading editing of their
>views? Rings a bell somewhere back there . . .
>
>S
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>"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:463fc561@linux...
>> Jamie and the rest of you Parisites, here's another view regarding the
>> global warming polemic, ideology, religion and orthodoxy. These scientists
>> were involved with the IPCC's report, but dissociated themselves with
the
>> same report when blatant omissions and mistruths were put forth by the
>> IPCC.
>> They scientifically disprove that CO2 is the cause for temperature change.
>> Before you all jump out of your skin and shout, "2500 top scientists are
>> on
>> the IPCC panel and therefore it can't be wrong", you really should watch
>> this with an open mind. You will, if you have an shred of rational,
>> logical
>> reasoning, question the present hysteria over the global warming debate.
>>
>> http://www.jonhs.net/freemovies/great_global_warming_swindle .htm
>>
>> Just keeping it real,
>> Rich
>>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:463f4b03$1@linux...
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>>> Hey Neil, Sarkozy is in the news right now and his comment caught my
>>> eye. I think his perspective on global warming is worth sharing.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Neil wrote:
>>> > Whaddya have a search engine portal permanently set to the
>>> > term "global warming" or something?
>>>
>>> > Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>> >> Sarkozy on global warming:
>>> >>
>>> >> "a great nation like the United States has the duty not to oppose
the
>>> >> fight against global warming, but to lead that battle, because what
is
>>> >> at stake is the destiny of mankind."
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> -Jamie
>>> >> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>> >>> France Elects a Thatcherite President
>>> >>> Kenneth R. Timmerman
>>> >>> Monday, May 7, 2007
>>> >>> Newsmax.com
>>> >>>
>>>
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| Re: Would you rather... [message #83048 is a reply to message #83041] |
Fri, 13 April 2007 17:49 |
Nei
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t;
>>> >>> Sarkozy also replaces the embattled Jacques Chirac, a relic from
an
>> earlier
>>> >>> age of French politics, who made anti-Americanism his hallmark.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sarkozy campaigned on a platform of sweeping reforms, pledging to
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