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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81714 is a reply to message #81713] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 01:24   |
excelav
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You can solo all your guitars which are spread along 2-3-4 and maybe
more
>>> submixes.
>>> You can mute them too.
>>> You can solo only the back vocals and the main vocal...
>>> There is creamware pulsar cards that have many many adat ins and outs
>plus
>>> super plugins close to uad quality (including mine !!).
>>> You can have many adat cards in Paris and EXTEND your Paris rig with
these
>>> pulsar cards (on another computer) by inserting via adat great plugins
>or
>>> mixing all your backing vocals (maybe 16 tracks here ?) to two inside
>>pulsar
>>> environement and sent it back to teo Paris tracks either live ot recrding
>>> it.
>>> The latency involved is only 19 samples !!
>>> Yes 19 samples.
>>> If you use special plugins like SPL transient designer inside pulsar
then
>>> you go up in latency BUT lower than 80 samples with some good plugins
>one
>>> after the other.
>>> USE vertex again for that OR put a latency delay inside pulsar to make
>a
>>> 80 samples latent track and just move ahead Paris track one nudge !
>>> I am in love with Paris and Creamware.
>>> I have great plugins there like vintage compressors fantastic sounding
>>reverbs
>>> even 4080 DX reverb is made for Pulsar too !
>>> Eq's that cover every taste great and FREE ones published every day at
>>www.planetz.com/forums
>>> Today they had a killer tubestrip !!
>>> I have 4 adat cards.
>>> That means 32 (well 28 cause of an adat -Paris bug) insert loops.
>>> Thats more than enouph for a dense mix.
>>> You can of course use along paris eds effects and dx (as vst remember
>!)
>>> plugins.
>>> You can do whatever and Paris will sound killer better than any cubase
>mix
>>> I heard !
>>> Sorry DJ !
>>> If anyone want my Paris exe file which has this great look (black
>>wonderful)
>>> I can send it via personal email.
>>> Just let me know you have a Paris 3 license because I always use the
>>antipace
>>> exe because I do not want any challenge codes troubles anymore !!
>>> Although I have bought Paris 3 I may be feel ilegal but what the heck
>we
>>> deserve that right ?
>>> We all have cried out for a latency compensation, we have that, better
>>grouping,
>>> we have that, more stable under XP, we sure have that, better looks ?,
>we
>>> have that too, more plugins of uad1 quality but not that much of latency
>>> (remember 16384 samples !!!) now with creamware cards less than 80 samples
>>> normally at 19 samples !!
>>> Even withn that latency vertex can compensate.
>>> VERTEX can compensate for the cards latency difference too !!
>>> So now you can record across two submixes your drumtracks !!
>>> Youcan now use digital input along analog inputs for phase related audio
>>> stuff...
>>> I hope that I convinced a couple to stay longer with Paris because I
hate
>>> seeing every day someone selling his entire Paris rig...
>>> Grab one two or three Pulsar cards , man they are cheap used !, remember
>>> what you paid for Paris back then, and intergrate them with Paris and
>adat
>>> and spdif and analog , whtever !!
>>> You will have a very uptodate sound and plugz to work.
>>> Did I mention that creamware have some fanatstic emulation of guita
>>amplifiers
>>> !!??
&g
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81754 is a reply to message #81729] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 15:07 |
Ted Gerber
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nd worked out a deal on that Neve
5042
>so now it's mine and is a permanent fixture here. I have no complaints.
I
>guess that it's just that having used the Paris system for 9 years, I was
so
>comfortable with certain things about it that I didn't think I'd
>miss.....like the plate reverbs. I didn't know I liked them that much.
>Chucks modulation FX sounded great too and NoLimit???....well, it had
>something that nothing that I have here had. I'm able to use anything I
want
>nowadays as a channel insert or on an aux and I can create as many busses
as
>I want ..........and don't have to worry about not being able to patch
>acorss submixes and the Paris mono delays are just wonderful in a mix. It's
>easy to take a lot of things for granted I guess.
>
>Would I go back??...I don't think so..........not now. If I had it to do
all
>over again, would I sell the Paris rig and the insane digital routing matrix
>that was sometimes so confusing and frustrating and full of so many
>potential clocking disasters, but that I knew so well because I had created
>it and was familiar with it's quirks???......I don't think
>so....................not now.
>
>With the Cubase rig......I turn it on....it works.
>
>(yawn)
>
>;o)
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>I don't think anyone understands it, Aaron. We may learn that the shooter
had a history of mental problems. We may learn that alcohol and/or drugs
were involved. No, I don't understand how anyone can just randomly kill
people. I also don't understand why idiots, psychos, drunks, or drug
addicts need to have the right to bear this kind of arms.
I think we need to seriously change the way we raise our male children.
"When we don't let boys cry tears, some will cry bullets." - William Pollack
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81774 is a reply to message #81723] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 18:37 |
Ab
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or is testosterone, which a male
>>typically has 7 to 10 times as much of as a female. Testosterone levels
>>rise rapidly, sometimes drastically, with threat, anger, and competition.
>>
>>Just as girls are taught about their special hormonal differences and
>>reproductive cycles, boys should be taught about this special aspect of
>>their physiology, and the emotions it can produce. Instead of thwarting
>>their natural aggression and energy, we should teach them to channel it
>>into
>>creative, constructive activity. We should also teach them that empathy
>>and
>>compassion are not "gay," and that having brain and a heart are more
>>important than having "balls," so to speak. I bet most of the men here
>>avoided violent behavior in part when they were growing up by beating the
>>shit out of drums or guitars instead of other guys.
>>
>>Of course we need to discourage violence in all our children, but it's a
>>bigger problem among boys, and I think some special attention is needed
>>there. Does this make sense?
>>
>>Sarah
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>>"Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:46245d87@linux...
>>>" I think we need to seriously change the way we raise our male children.
>>>"
>>>
>>> Sarah - I realize
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81775 is a reply to message #81729] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 17:41 |
Aaron Allen
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that the majority of shootings are probably male, but
>>> this
>>> is a silly sexist thing to say - isn't it? I have no doubt that a girl
>>> could
>>> do a similar thing. Our society gives us example after example of this
>>> destructive behavior with guns (what else are guns for?) and women are
>>> no
>>> exception to shootings or destruction.
>>>
>>> There is also no guaranteed way to stop this kind of violence. Sad but
>>> true.
>>> It is, unfortunately, one of the very high prices/possibilities that
>>> comes
>>> with our liberties in the US (guns, guns rights, etc..). At very
>>> minimum,
>>> at
>>> least this particular person won't cause further damage.
>>>
>>> Here's my personal edit to your quote.... "I think we need to seriously
>>> raise our children."
>>>
>>> I know you have good interests at heart Sarah - hope you don't take
>>> offense
>>> to my post.
>>>
>>> Peace be to all the VT family.
>>>
>>> rock on,
>>> -Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>actually the incident of violent crime is one of the leading stats,
though the same can be said for men...drug wise.
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:33:54 -0700, "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>
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>Thanks for that link . . . I definitely want to look through that when I
>haven't just gotten off work. I worked with women in a "halfway house" for
>recent prison releases. All of them had been in jail for drug offenses. I
>think if we examine those rising female imprisonment stats, we'll find that
>the vast majority are there for drugs, or drug-related malfeasance of some
>kind, and not violent crimes.
>
>S
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81785 is a reply to message #81781] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 21:29 |
Dedric Terry
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r />
>especially problematic when I import an audio track to use for overdubbing.
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>I did go back to an old project in Cubase 3.0.2 and use it for a source for
>a global template and it worked on one out of three projects I was tracking
>tonight.
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>I even uninstalled/reinstalled Cubase 4 and it did no good.
>
>The idea of migrating to Reaper is starting to appeal to me more and more. I
>think Reaper even allows inputs to be routed to multiple outputs. That would
>really be a nice situation for cues in a tracking session.
>
>Bah.....I'm tired and PO'ed. Grrrrrrrr!!!!
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>I understand you very well Sarah and am with you, but I think it will
allways be problems when a mans brain often is in the balls when women and
weapons are involved.
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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> Well Don, as is often is the case, you seem to be reading what I write,
> and translating it into something entirely different. I don't even see
> how your response contradicts anything I said! I said nothing against
> martial arts, shooting guns, or Jesus Christ for that matter. Nor did I
> say testosterone was a bad thing. Testosterone gives men a special
> power -- I'm just advocating teaching them to use that power for good
> rather than the evil you correctly refer to. I'm not even against
> violence, as I think you know, if it's justified.
>
> As for "masculinity," I think definitions may vary greatly from person to
> person, but you'll have to do some fancy talking to convince me that
> empathy and compassion make a man less masculine. Are you saying you
> can't be a "real man" and still express the full range of human emotions?
>
> And I never said anything about "teaching" anyone to cry. You may have
> noticed that people of both sexes cry naturally at times -- they don't
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81799 is a reply to message #81789] |
Tue, 20 March 2007 06:22 |
Dedric Terry
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protools LE and DP4 do, except their opposite of
> Paris. Their a little longer. I get files from clients that use these DAWS
> regularly and I always have to shave a little off the front to get the
> clicks
> to line up with my grid.
> Rod
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>This is weird
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>>I just "mixed down" an edited drum track and when I brought it into Nuendo
>>with the music track I edited it too it was short by roughly 173 ms
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>>So I brought the L&R (Drum edit mix) PAF's back into the project and
>>although they lined up musically when I zoomed into the front of the
>>tracks
>>sure enough there was a space between the start of the track and "zero"
> on
>>the time line.
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>>Rendering these tracks gave them both a zero start point and all was well
>>with the world but man what a friggin surprise
>>
>>I've never noticed this before...is this normal?
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>>DOn
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>Deej, are you still using a Multiface? If so, did you ever get
the updated version of the PCI card, or send yours off for that
modification? I know I mentioned this once here & once over the
phone when we taked, but I don't recall ever hearing from you
if you did or not.
This could be your problem... if you ARE using a Multiface,
then check your PCI card - it's got the version # etched on it
in the upper right area of one of the sides -
if it's anything lower than v1.7, then you need to get it
modded, since there is a known issue with how it handles power
supplied to it if it doesn't have this fix. Synthax will do it
under warranty for like $40 including shipping.
If this is the problem, then let me know; I have an extra card
I can lend you to get you rolling until yours gets back from
being fixed, and if you need two I can also pull one of the two
in my PC outta there, since I don't have anything on the
session front for a least a couple weeks.
Neil
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Had to call a session tonight and send everyone home. This is the first
time
>in my entire studio career that I've not been able to figure out a
>workaround for a problem in a tracking session, but when your recorder
>freaks, it's time to wrap. Cubase 4 has gone completely apeshit. Clicks
and
>pops, tracks playing back out of sync, suckage of fidelity.....total
>disaster. The first thing I would normally suspect is the clocking but
>everything shows to be synced rock solid and I can play back entire (large)
>projects in Cubase 4 that were recorded in Paris and then the tracks were
>imported into Cubase SX 3.0.2 with nary a click, pop or hiccup and this
is
>using the AD/DA's that I have here as insert I/O so it's not the converters
>and not the clocking.
>
>It's creating a new project in Cubase 4 that is the problem. It is
>especially problematic when I import an audio track to use for overdubbing.
>
>I did go back to an old project in Cubase 3.0.2 and use it for a source
for
>a global template and it worked on one out of three projects I was tracking
>tonight.
>
>I even uninstalled/reinstalled Cubase 4 and it did no good.
>
>The idea of migrating to Reaper is starting to appeal to me more and more.
I
>think Reaper even allows inputs to be routed to multiple outputs. That would
>really be a nice situation for cues in a tracking session.
>
>Bah.....I'm tired and PO'ed. Grrrrrrrr!!!!
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>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>Well Don, as is often is the case, you seem to be reading what I write,
and
>translating it into something entirely different.
You said:
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81809 is a reply to message #81799] |
Tue, 20 March 2007 10:22 |
excelav
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t;>In reality, armed citizens do better than cops in shootouts
>>with criminals, and no one is trying to take cops guns away...
>>
>>http://hematite.com/dragon/gcmythexplode.html#myth2
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>>http://hematite.com/dragon/gunclock_stats.html
>>
>>People with carry permits are part of the solution, not
>>part of the problem. And I think they are pretty smart.
>>
>>I applaud your decision to be able to defend yourself, and I
>>wish they would authorized permits here in California...
>>
>>DC
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>One more thing, as I keep on saying, the people who should _really_ be able
>to carry are women. Much more likely to be victims of violent crime and
also
>less like to hurt/kill others or themselves accidentally. Oddly, most women
>I know are the most anti-gun, until I take them to the range. I've made
a
>number of converts ;-)
Oh yeah...
My teenage daughter loves shooting. Just loves it. My wife believes in
owning guns, but does not want to shoot them. Oh well.
DCit's about 23ms, small but there. zoom in and check it out sometime. I'd be
interested.
Rod
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Thanks guys
>
>I've rarely had to line up pre-recorded tracks with "mixed" tracks from
>Paris (after the fact on another DAW) so I was unaware of this little
>issue....either that or completely forgot about it
>
>DOn
>
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>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:46261afa$1@linux...
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>> Yes Don, this is normal. This happens when you do a "bounce to disk" mix.
>> It has to do with how long it takes the CPU to start crunching the
>> numbers.
>> It will be different, depending on CPU speed, for everyone. It's also
>> different
>> from 16 bit to 24 bit.
>> (24 is more). You did the right thing by pulling in the segments of the
>> bounce
>> and rendering. Do that every time and you'll be good.
>> If you do a mix using the adat in and out, this won't happen.
>> I think every DAW has some timing anomalies when using bounce to disk,
at
>> least I know CubaseSX, 4, protools LE and DP4 do, except their opposite
of
>> Paris. Their a little longer. I get files from clients that use these
DAWS
>> regularly and I always have to shave a little off the front to get the
>> clicks
>> to line up with my grid.
>> Rod
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>This is weird
>>>
>>>I just "mixed down" an edited drum track and when I brought it into Nuendo
>>>with the music track I edited it too it was short by roughly 173 ms
>>>
>>>So I brought the L&R (Drum edit mix) PAF's back into the project and
>>>although they lined up musically when I zoomed into the front of the
>>>tracks
>>>sure enough there was a space between the start of the track and "zero"
>> on
>>>the time line.
>>>
>>>Rendering these tracks gave them both a zero start point and all was well
>>>with the world but man what a friggin surprise
>>>
>>>I've never noticed this before...is this normal?
>>>
>>>DOn
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Time to start buy'n back all that Paris stuff you sold.
;-)
Rod
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Had to call a session tonight and send everyone home. This is the first
time
>in my entire studio career that I've not been able to figure out a
>workaround for a problem in a tracking session, but when your recorder
>freaks, it's time to wrap. Cubase 4 has gone completely apeshit. Clicks
and
>pops, tracks playing back out of sync, suckage of fidelity.....total
>disaster. The first thing I would normally suspect is the clocking but
>everything shows to be synced rock solid and I can play back entire (large)
>projects in Cubase 4 that were recorded in Paris and then the tracks were
>imported into Cubase SX 3.0.2 with nary a click, pop or hiccup and this
is
>using the AD/DA's that I have here as insert I/O so it's not the converters
>and not the clocking.
>
>It's creating a new project in Cubase 4 that is the problem. It is
>especially problematic when I import an aud
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81815 is a reply to message #81809] |
Tue, 20 March 2007 11:25 |
Dedric Terry
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uts. That would
> really be a nice situation for cues in a tracking session.
>
> Bah.....I'm tired and PO'ed. Grrrrrrrr!!!!
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>This situation (and worse) is all over the Cubase 4 forum.......clicks,
pops, crackles, system performance degrading as sessions proceed and tracks
playing out of sync. These tracks play back with no issues in Wavelab *and*
in Cubase 4 when auditioned in the adio pool. Import the track to the
project window and it goes bonkers.
Deejfong
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4625fddc$1@linux...
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> Before you blame cubase you might want to find the cause. Isn't this how
> Jessie Jackson handled the Duke case?It was too good to be true, that the life now should be too easy for you
with a modern system. You get me worried, since I have Cubase 4 too, but
havn't learned anything about it yet. I know I shall use something Cubase on
a new project, when travelling to Stockholm, Sweden, in June. Now I'm finito
here in Cobenhagen with a Parisproject, travelling back to Norway on Friday,
shall be back here in Cobenhagen in about 3 weeks, traveling on holidays to
Greece for 2 weeks and traveling to Sweden after that.
Hmmm... 2 weeks to learn about Cubase with all the problems... arghhh...
Erlili Erlo
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:46263da7$1@linux...
> This situation (and worse) is all over the Cubase 4 forum.......clicks,
> pops, crackles, system performance degrading as sessions proceed and
> tracks playing out of sync. These tracks play back with no issues in
> Wavelab *and* in Cubase 4 when auditioned in the adio pool. Import the
> track to the project window and it goes bonkers.
>
> Deejfong
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4625fddc$1@linux...
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>> Before you blame cubase you might want to find the cause. Isn't this how
>> Jessie Jackson handled the Duke case?
>
>Seriously considering an EDS, MEC and 2 x ADAT cards for a tracking rig.
Lots of my work right now is OD's for various session musicians who are
working with other musicians on projects all over the country. These local
guys are touring with a potpurri of bluegrass bands and as they meet up and
open for these various other bands, inevitably someone is working on a CD
and they want one of the Druango guys to lay down some tracks. Some of these
guys are getting pretty famous in that genre and I would like to be able to
work with them. If I have to toss Cubase 4 in order to do this, I'll not
think twice about it. I can tell you right now that Reaper has some features
that could become indispensible. In some ways, it's so far beyond Cubase
that it's sick. Being able to route the same track to multiple outputs is
one of them. A great thing for a tracking session. You can feed the recorded
and active tracks to the main monitor bus while also feeding them to the
various mono track outputs that feed my Furman HDS16 cue system while using
ASIO direct monitoring instead of f***'in around with the Cubase control
room function which requires CPU overhead. That right there is worth the
price of admission.
I've got the MEC here already. I could patch my RME converters into these
for tracking. Problem is, once the tracks are imported into Cubase 4 for
mixing, the nightmare begins. Tracking to Cubase ain't all that hard to do.
It's playing back the tracks that is the problem. Last time I looked, I was
needing to play back tracks I recorded in order to mix them.
;o(
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4626260e$1@linux...
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> Time to start buy'n back all that Paris stuff you sold.
> ;-)
> Rod
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Had to call a session tonight and send everyone home. This is the first
> time
>>in my entire studio career that I've not been able to figure out a
>>workaround for a problem in a tracking session, but when your recorder
>>freaks, it's time to wrap. Cubase 4 has gone completely apeshit. Clicks
> and
>>pops, tracks playing back out of sync, suckage of fidelity.....total
>>disaster. The first thing I would normally suspect is the clocking but
>>everything shows to be synced rock solid and I can play back entire
>>(large)
>
>>projects in Cubase 4 that were recorded in Paris and then the tracks were
>
>>imported into Cubase SX 3.0.2 with nary a click, pop or hiccup and this
> is
>>using the AD/DA's that I have here as insert I/O so it's not the
>>converters
>
>>and not the clocking.
>>
>>It's creating a new project in Cubase 4 that is the problem. It is
>>especially problematic when I import an audio track to use for
>>overdubbing.
>>
>>I did go back to an old project in Cubase 3.0.2 and use it for a source
> for
>>a global template and it worked on one out of three projects I was
>>tracking
>
>>tonight.
>>
>>I even uninstalled/reinstalled Cubase 4 and it did no good.
>>
>>The idea of migrating to Reaper is starting to appeal to me more and more.
> I
>>think Reaper even allows inputs to be routed to multiple outputs. That
>>would
>
>>really be a nice situation for cues in a tracking session.
>>
>>Bah.....I'm tired and PO'ed. Grrrrrrrr!!!!
>>
>>
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>DJ - what files are you importing? Any audio from any source (CD, created
in Wavelab, etc)?
If the latter, then that's my point, there is another problem. I've
imported Nuendo 3 projects, CD tracks, mp3s,
and benchmark tests that ran perfectly in Cubase 4. Don't use the Cubase
for
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81822 is a reply to message #81816] |
Tue, 20 March 2007 13:07 |
Ted Gerber
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>
;o)"Phil Aiken" <asdf@asdf.asd> wrote:
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> Does anyone have a lead as to how we might be able to dig up .ppj file
>format documentation? Justin, the developer of Reaper, indicated that it
>might be possible to have Reaper read Paris projects directly. T'would be
>very cool.
Bumping this........this would be a boon for current PARIS users, as well
as ex-users
who would then be able to open their projects in Reaper to archive as wav
files, etc.
For current users, you could open a project you're woring on, render VSTi's
or delay compensated aux busses w/ UAD compressors etc. and then bring all
that stuff back into PARIS.I've never used SX 4, so I can't say, but this sounds fishily like hardware
not software to me. Can you try some things in other apps?
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Seriously considering an EDS, MEC and 2 x ADAT cards for a tracking rig.
>Lots of my work right now is OD's for various session musicians who are
>working with other musicians on projects all over the country. These local
>guys are touring with a potpurri of bluegrass bands and as they meet up
and
>open for these various other bands, inevitably someone is working on a CD
>and they want one of the Druango guys to lay down some tracks. Some of these
>guys are getting pretty famous in that genre and I would like to be able
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81920 is a reply to message #81904] |
Wed, 21 March 2007 17:19 |
excelav
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> It will be interesting to see if I can get my Steiny Houston controller to
> interface with Reaper in HUI mode via midi. If not, I'm gonna have to snag
> an MCU. I've been considering that anyway but I'm waiting until the new
> Mackie USB based CUs hit the streets and the bottom falls out of the
> prices
> for the older (and more functional ) midi MCU's.
>
> ;o)
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:462919a1$1@linux...
>>
>> Yeah, it's pretty cool. The MIDI just isn't there for me, and I'm really
>> addicted
>> to Live now. But for a more traditional track/edit/mix scenario I can see
>> it being as good as anything.
>>
>> It also reminds me of my favorite DJ app, DJ Decks (www.djdecks.be).
>> Instead
>> of paying big bucks for the NI or Stanto stuff and being locked into
>> their
>> hardware this will work with any ASIO card and an RIAA preamp. Cool skins
>> are available and the developer fixes bugs in days, responds to feature
>> requests
>> in the forums. Pretty cool.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Man....this app is sweet. Works efficiently with quad cores and has
>>>configuration options that allow UAD-1's to operate without sucking CPU
>>
>>>cycles. this is very major, especially when one of my main *issues* is
>>>being
>>
>>>able to operate at low latencies with plugin FX active in a project. I'm
>>
>>>hoping a quad CPU will get me there. Midi / VSTi's aren't a huge issue
>>>for
>>
>>>me right now and I've got a farm system I could use here to just stream
>> the
>>>stuff digitally if necessary. Reaper also has some kind of *systemlink*
>> over
>>>LAN situation as well.
>>>
>>>I'm going to be looking into Reaper *in depth* this weekend. I will be
>>>paying special attention operational efficiency at low latencies with my
>>
>>>Opteron 185 as opposed to Cubase 4, keeping in mind that operational
>>>efficiency of Cubase 4 would only be increased by around 40% by going to
>> a
>>>quad core right now as opposed to 100% (theoretically) over my existing
>> dual
>>>core if using Reaper. I'm sure Cubase will eventually catch up, but for
>> now,
>>>I'm going so far as buring the Reaper .pdf manual to CDR and taking it to
>>
>>>office depot to have it professionally printed up and bound.
>>>
>>>By the time I calculate my ink and paper costs to print this manual,
>>>having
>>
>>>it done professionally ain't that much more.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
No Vista! Bad Deej! No biscuit! You spend night in kennel!
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>
>Cubase ain't 64bit yet, but will be in a few months. I can see the =
>writing on the wall and I want to be able to go there, soooo......
>
>Here's what I'm looking at:
>
>Intel BOXD975XBX2KR LGA 775 Intel 975X ATX Intel Motherbo-$249.99
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=3DN82E1681312 1059
>
>Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775
=
>Processor (yeah...that's 10.64 GHz )-$970.00
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168191 15011
>
>mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual =
>Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $149.99
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168201 46599
>
>XFX PVT73GUGF3 GeForce 7600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video
=
>Card-$119.99
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168141 50185
>
>COOLMAX CP-500T EPS12V 500W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, CSA, -59.99
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168171 59040
>
>Seven Slot PCI Express to PCI-X Expansion System-$2050.00
>
> http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/GEFanucEmb eddedSystems/=
>Seven_Slot_PCI_Express_to_PCIX_Expansion_System/17659/1
>
>rough total: $3599.96
>
>At this point I think I would have a workable 10+ GHZ system that =
>*might* be able to run at 1.5ms without having to worry about ASIO =
>direct monitoring while tracking projects that have FX on inserts/sends
=
>and still be able to utilize my existing PCI audio interfacing with PCIe
=
>hardware without having to replace it with a mishmash combination of =
>PCIe/PCI stuff and I would be 64 bit capable when the time comes and I =
>want to go to Vista and run 8G of RAM on the DAW.
>
>I really like the RME HDSP configuration I've got now with the Multiface
=
>and the 2 x HDSP 9652's with 16 AD/DA's on the ADI8-DS units and I don't
=
>really want to spend the extra $$ on RME and UAD-1 PCIe hardware if I =
>can just integrate my existing PCI hardware with the PCIe > PCi SBS =
>chassis. There might be a small hit to performance with the PCi>PCIe =
>conversion as compared to interfacing PCIe directly with the mobo, but =
>the new mobos don't have enough PCIe slots to allow me to use the number
=
>of cards I want to use without a PCIe expansion chassis anyway....and =
>this will need to be 64 bit eventually so there's a $2k expense, no =
>matter how you cut it. So why upgrade PCI cards to PCIe if I can get a =
>PCIe chassis that will hold all my PCI cards and allow them to interface
=
>PCIe anyway?
>
>The reason I'm tempted to make the move now (besides wanting the =
>horsepower) is that although the prices of the CPU's will be coming down
=
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TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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=3D" http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/GEFanucEmb edded=
Systems/Seven_Slot_PCI_Express_to_PCIX_Expansion_System/1765 9/1 ">http://w=
ww.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/GEFanucEmbeddedSys tems/Seven_Sl=
ot_PCI_Express_to_PCIX_Expansion_System/17659/1</A></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>rough total: $3599.96</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At this point I think I would have a =
workable 10+=20
GHZ system that *might* be able to run at 1.5ms without having to =
worry=20
about ASIO direct monitoring while tracking projects that have FX on =
inserts/sends and still be able to utilize my existing PCI audio =
interfacing=20
with PCIe hardware without having to replace it with a mishmash =
combination=20
of PCIe/PCI stuff and I would be 64 bit capable when the time comes =
and I=20
want to go to Vista and run 8G of RAM on the DAW.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I really like the RME HDSP =
configuration I've got=20
now with the Multiface and the 2 x HDSP 9652's with 16 AD/DA's on =
the=20
ADI8-DS units and I don't really want to spend the extra $$ on RME =
and UAD-1=20
PCIe hardware if I can just integrate my existing PCI hardware with =
the PCIe=20
> PCi SBS chassis. There might be a small hit to performance with =
the=20
PCi>PCIe conversion as compared to interfacing PCIe directly with =
the=20
mobo, but the new mobos don't have enough PCIe slots to allow me to =
use the=20
number of cards I want to use without a PCIe expansion chassis =
anyway....and=20
this will need to be 64 bit eventually so there's a $2k expense, no =
matter=20
how you cut it. So why upgrade PCI cards to PCIe if I can get a =
PCIe=20
chassis that will hold all my PCI cards and allow them to interface =
PCIe=20
anyway?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The reason I'm tempted to make the =
move now=20
(besides wanting the horsepower) is that although the prices of =
the=20
CPU's will be coming down over the next few months, so will the =
price I'll=20
be able to get for my Magma's since they are 32 bit units (although =
2 x of=20
them are capable of integrating the PCIe host card so this gives =
them a=20
little added value on EBay).</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any thoughts?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P>
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lets OSX run natively on an AMD or Intel processor.
It boots into either OSX or XP/Vista.
http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/3652157/Mac_OS_X_10.4.8_ [JaS_AMD-Intel-SSE2-SSE3_with_PPF1___PPF2].iso.3652157.TPB.t orrent
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www.lendanear-sound.com
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46293b51@linux...
> Not now silly.........later when I know how evil it really is so I can
> appreciate, take full responsibility for and properly savor the grief that
> it will cause in my life when I intentionally, and with aforethought, make
> the transition.................however, from what I'm hearing, there may
> be some *real* advantages to Vista as far as performance of multicore
> CPU's. Win XP multicore support is more of a kludge, or so I'm hearing
> (though Vista itself may be a kludge too). The ability to run lots of RAM
> is always a good thing and if Vista is better at supporting multicore
> CPU's perhaps it would be preferable to XP-64.
>
> God forbid I should buy a Mac.
>
> ;oD
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4629399a@linux...
>>
>>
>> Yeh I'm not sure why you'd want to go Vista Deej.
>>
>> That is why I posted the Linux on a laptop question the other day. If at
>> all possible my Windows career is going to stop on XP. I'll still need at
>> least one XP or 98 install for Paris, but I can run everything else on
>> Linux...
>>
>> ...audio software may be another thing, though I'm confident 2 years from
>> now we'll see movement towards Linux from mainstream audio apps also.
>> Meanwhile,
>> I imagine they will continue to support XP.
>>
>> XP support will be around a long while, as 98 was. Remember the bad press
>> Windows ME got? And 98 ended up outlasting ME because of this. Now look
>> how
>> much MORE bad press Vista has had.
>>
>> Windows days are over dude... IMHO... don't go Vista...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>No Vista! Bad Deej! No biscuit! You spend night in kennel!
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Cubase ain't 64bit yet, but will be in a few months. I can see the =
>>>>writing on the wall and I want to be able to go there, soooo......
>>>>
>>>>Here's what I'm looking at:
>>>>
>>>>Intel BOXD975XBX2KR LGA 775 Intel 975X ATX Intel Motherbo-$249.99
>>>>
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=3DN82E1681312 1059
>>>>
>>>>Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775
>>>=
>>>>Processor (yeah...that's 10.64 GHz )-$970.00
>>>>
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168191 15011
>>>>
>>>>mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual =
>>>>Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $149.99
>>>>
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168201 46599
>>>>
>>>>XFX PVT73GUGF3 GeForce 7600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video
>>>=
>>>>Card-$119.99
>>>>
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168141 50185
>>>>
>>>>COOLMAX CP-500T EPS12V 500W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, CSA, -59.99
>>>>
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168171 59040
>>>>
>>>>Seven Slot PCI Express to PCI-X Expansion System-$2050.00
>>>>
>>>> http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/GEFanucEmb eddedSystems/=
>>>>Seven_Slot_PCI_Express_to_PCIX_Expansion_System/17659/1
>>>>
>>>&g
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Thu, 22 March 2007 09:48 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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>> =
>>>>want to go to Vista and run 8G of RAM on the DAW.
>>>>
>>>>I really like the RME HDSP configuration I've got now with the Multiface
>>>=
>>>>and the 2 x HDSP 9652's with 16 AD/DA's on the ADI8-DS units and I don't
>>>=
>>>>really want to spend the extra $$ on RME and UAD-1 PCIe hardware if I =
>>>>can just integrate my existing PCI hardware with the PCIe > PCi SBS =
>>>>chassis. There might be a small hit to performance with the PCi>PCIe =
>>>>conversion as compared to interfacing PCIe directly with the mobo, but
>> =
>>>>the new mobos don't have enough PCIe slots to allow me to use the number
>>>=
>>>>of cards I want to use without a PCIe expansion chassis anyway....and =
>>>>this will need to be 64 bit eventually so there's a $2k expense, no =
>>>>matter how you cut it. So why upgrade PCI cards to PCIe if I can get a
>> =
>>>>PCIe chassis that will hold all my PCI cards and allow them to interface
>>>=
>>>>PCIe anyway?
>>>>
>>>>The reason I'm tempted to make the move now (besides wanting the =
>>>>horsepower) is that although the prices of the CPU's will be coming down
>>>=
>>>>over the next few months, so will the price I'll be able to get for my
>> =
>>>>Magma's since they are 32 bit units (although 2 x of them are capable of
>>>=
>>>>integrating the PCIe host card so this gives them a little added value
>> =
>>>>on EBay).
>>>>
>>>>Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16414" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>></HEAD>
>>>><BODY>
>>>><DIV>
>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cubase ain't 64bit yet, but will be in a
>>>=
>>>>few months.=20
>>>>I can see the writing on the wall and I want to be able to go there,=20
>>>>soooo......</FONT></P>
>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here's what I'm looking at:</FONT></P>
>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Intel BOXD975XBX2KR LGA 775 Intel 975X =
>>>>ATX Intel=20
>>>>Motherbo-$249.99</FONT></P>
>>>><P><A=20
>>>>href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=3DN82E1681312 1059"=
>>>>><FONT=20
>>>>face=3DArial=20
>>>>size=3D2> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=3DN82E1681312 1059=
>>>></FONT></A></P>
>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Kentsfield =
>>>>2.66GHz 2 x=20
>>>>4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor (yeah...that's 10.64=20
>>>>GHz )-$970.00</FONT></P>
>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>>>>href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168191 15011=
>>>>"> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168191 15011</A></=
>>>>FONT></P>
>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM
>>>=
>>>>DDR2 800=20
>>>>(PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $149.99</FONT></P>
>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>>>>href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168201 46599=
>>>>"> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168201 46599</A></=
>>>>FONT></P>
>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>XFX PVT73GUGF3 GeForce 7600GT 256MB =
>>>>128-bit GDDR3 PCI=20
>>>>Express x16 Video Card-$119.99</FONT></P>
>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>>>>href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168141 50185=
>>>>"> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168141 50185</A></=
>>>>FONT></P>
>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>COOLMAX CP-500T EPS12V 500W Power Supply
>>>=
>>>>115/230 V=20
>>>>UL, CSA, -59.99</FONT></P>
>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>>>>href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168171 59040=
>>>>"> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168171 59040</A></=
>>>>FONT></P><FONT=20
>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2>
>>>><P class=3DheaderGold>Seven Slot PCI Express to PCI-X Expansion=20
>>>>System-$2050.00</P></FONT>
>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>>>>href=3D" http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/GEFanucEmb edded=
>>>> Systems/Seven_Slot_PCI_Express_to_PCIX_Expansion_System/1765 9/1 ">http://w=
>>>> ww.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/GEFanucEmbeddedSys tems/Seven_Sl=
>>>>ot_PCI_Express_to_PCIX_Expansion_System/17659/1</A></FONT ></P>
>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>rough total: $3599.96</FONT></P>
>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At this point I think I would have a =
>>>>workable 10+ GHZ=20
>>>>system that *might* be able to run at 1.5ms without having to worry =
>>>>about ASIO=20
>>>>direct monitoring while tracking projects that have FX on inserts/sends
>>>=
>>>>and=20
>>>>still be able to utilize my existing PCI audio interfacing with PCIe =
>>>>hardware=20
>>>>without having to replace it with a mishmash combination of PCIe/PCI =
>>>>stuff and I=20
>>>>would be 64 bit capable when the time comes and I want to go to Vista =
>>>>and run 8G=20
>>>>of RAM on the DAW.</FONT></P>
>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I really like the RME HDSP configuration
>>>=
>>>>I've got now=20
>>>>with the Multiface and the 2 x HDSP 9652's with 16 AD/DA's on the =
>>>>ADI8-DS units=20
>>>>and I don't really want to spend the extra $$ on RME and UAD-1 PCIe =
>>>>hardware if=20
>>>>I can just integrate my existing PCI hardware with the PCIe > PCi SBS =
>>>>
>>>>chassis. There might be a small hit to performance with the PCi>PCIe=20
>>>>conversion as compared to interfacing PCIe directly with the mobo, but
>> =
>>>>the new=20
>>>>mobos don't have enough PCIe slots to allow me to use the number of =
>>>>cards I want=20
>>>>to use without a PCIe expansion chassis anyway....and this will need to
>>>=
>>>>be 64=20
>>>>bit eventually so there's a $2k expense, no matter how you cut it. So =
>>>>why=20
>>>>upgrade PCI cards to PCIe if I can get a PCIe chassis that will =
>>>>hold all my=20
>>>>PCI cards and allow them to interface PCIe anyway?</FONT></P>
>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The reason I'm tempted to make the move
>> =
>>>>now (besides=20
>>>>wanting the horsepower) is that although the prices of the CPU's =
>>>>will be=20
>>>>coming down over the next few months, so will the price I'll be able to
>>>
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Thu, 22 March 2007 12:55 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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>>
> excellent
>
>> COOLMAX CP-500T EPS12V 500W Power Supply 115/230 V UL,
>> CSA, -59.99
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817159 040
>>
>
> not good enough for the amount of stuff you got.
> Get the Thermaltake 700 watt Tough Power. Way better. The 500watts will be
> pushing to close to the edge.
>
>
>> Seven Slot PCI Express to PCI-X Expansion System-$2050.00
>>
>>
>> http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/GEFanucEmb eddedSystems/Seven_Slot_PCI_Express_to_PCIX_Expansion_System /17659/1
>>
>
> UAD don't recommend that unit at all. The PCI-e SBS stuff is way better.
> http://uaudio.com/webzine/2006/december/index5.html
>
>
>> rough total: $3599.96
>>
>> At this point I think I would have a workable 10+ GHZ system
>> that *might* be able to run at 1.5ms without having to worry
>> about ASIO direct monitoring while tracking projects that have
>> FX on inserts/sends and still be able to utilize my existing
>> PCI audio interfacing with PCIe hardware without having to
>> replace it with a mishmash combination of PCIe/PCI stuff and I
>> would be 64 bit capable when the time comes and I want to go
>> to Vista and run 8G of RAM on the DAW.
>>
>
> Vista 64 is the only that will address 8 gigs or more. Vista 32 is no
> different than XP. 4 gigs.
>
>> I really like the RME HDSP configuration I've got now with the
>> Multiface and the 2 x HDSP 9652's with 16 AD/DA's on the
>> ADI8-DS units and I don't really want to spend the extra $$ on
>> RME and UAD-1 PCIe hardware if I can just integrate my
>> existing PCI hardware with the PCIe > PCi SBS chassis. There
>> might be a small hit to performance with the PCi>PCIe
>> conversion as compared to interfacing PCIe directly with the
>> mobo, but the new mobos don't have enough PCIe slots to allow
>> me to use the number of cards I want to use without a PCIe
>> expansion chassis anyway....and this will need to be 64 bit
>> eventually so there's a $2k expense, no matter how you cut it.
>> So why upgrade PCI cards to PCIe if I can get a PCIe chassis
>> that will hold all my PCI cards and allow them to interface
>> PCIe anyway?
>>
> SBS is the better unit. Not the Magma crap.
>
>> The reason I'm tempted to make the move now (besides wanting
>> the horsepower) is that although the prices of the CPU's will
>> be coming down over the next few months, so will the price
>> I'll be able to get for my Magma's since they are 32 bit units
>> (although 2 x of them are capable of integrating the PCIe host
>> card so this gives them a little added value on EBay).
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762Yep..What chris said..Old news..
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4627He it is funny how many times what you declare is what you are !
There is so much literature on interenet as how good peluso capsules sound
as aopposed to the chines ones...etc..
I tried the best they make and the more expensive one on a Neumann M149 taking
out the neumann capsule to hear how it sounds.
Man the sound was so bad !
Thin distorted on highs no low mids at all...
Thats why my microphones will have the M7 capsule from Neumann...
Regards,
Dimitrios
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>They *are* Chinese capsules, for sure. They're just different Chinese
>capsules and since they have the Peluso stamp of approval, they are bound
to
>be superior to a Geffel M7, right?. Now my mics are worth $2000.00
>each......
>
>I accept PayPal.
>
>;oD
>
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4628e981$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi,
>> I tried the peluso capsules and they do not differ from the chinese...
>> If that helps...
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Whenever I drop by Gearslutz, I see all kinds of raving going on about
the
>>
>>>Peluso mics. My kit built MA-200's have Peluso cardioid capsules in them.
>> I
>>>like them, but I've never tried comparing the exact same mic with the
>>>Marshall capsule, then swapping out the capsule for the Peluso capsule
and
>>
>>>trying that.......though I guess I should, just so I can pretend to be
>>>some
>>
>>>sort of authority on the differences in Chinese cardioid capsules.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4628e362$1@linux...
>>>> They might want to demo mics by Peluso, the cheaper new Telefunkens,
and
>>
>>>> possibly Microtech Gefell. Maybe talk to http://atlasproaudio.com/
or
>>
>>>> Mercenary to see what they'd suggest? I really recommend trying before
>>
>>>> buying.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A friend is asking me about the Neumann UM57. They've used a modded
U67
>>
>>>>> which they like a lot but it's out of the price range.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you were buying a mic for female and male vocals in a funk band,
>>>>> would
>>
>>>>> you select the UM57?
>>>>>
>>>>> What else would you consider (from any manufacturer, at the price of
>> a
>>>>> UM57 or lower)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>an buy a better gun too.
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:51:45 -0400, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>Money doesn't solve your problems but you can arrive at them in style !xp can use 4gb, 2gb for the app and 2 for the os, you can also use the
3 gb switch if the app supports it.
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316739
John
DJ wrote:
> Not really necessary until I move to 64 bit....right?
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:46291091@linux...
>> get 4gb of ram
>
>also, word is that quad cores will be $250 by christmas so you might go
with the cheap e6600 now and then buy 2 quads for xmas.
DJ wrote:
> Not really necessary until I move to 64 bit....right?
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:46291091@linux...
>> get 4gb of ram
>
>Vista 64 does 128GB Ram
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx
DJ wrote:
> So I can use 8 GB RAM with Vista 64 while running 32 bit Cubase 4?.
> Hmmm....I guess the same would be true of Win XP64 then,eh?
>
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au
> <mailto:lendan@bigpond.net.au>> wrote in message news:462955e2@linux...
> AFAIK Vista 64 bit will run 32 bit progs very well.
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com <http://www.lendanear-sound.com>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com <http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>>
> wrote in message news:4629092d@linux...
>
> Cubase ain't 64bit yet, but will be in a few months. I can see
> the writing on the wall and I want to be able to go there,
> soooo......
>
> Here's what I'm looking at:
>
> Intel BOXD975XBX2KR LGA 775 I
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> All I would need is the MOBO, the CPU's and 4GB ECC DDR 400 and I'd be good.
> I've got everything else.
>
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:4629a6ce@linux...
>> Hi DJ,
>>
>> Stick with XP you will waste you time for the next year with vista
>> especially vista 64.
>> No audio or hardware or software work any better on vista and most works
>> worse.
>> You got at least a year still before you should even begin to run the main
>> studio on it.
>> If you want to play around with it in free time then put the OS drive in
>> the removable tray and install Vista that way. Don't do any sort of dual
>> boot. Just do separate drives.
>>
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> So I can use 8 GB RAM with Vista 64 while running 32 bit Cubase 4?.
>>> Hmmm....I guess the same would be true of Win XP64 then,eh?
>> Cubase will not use 4 gigs with most sampler VSTi in vista 64. The
>> majority of the VSTi are not Large Memory address aware and will still
>> have the same limitations they do in XP. Cubase performs horriblay in
>> Vista at this point and many VSTi will not install correctly. If you not
>> doing any heavy midi work as you say. As in no large Orchestral stuff then
>> you really will have no benefit to the more thna 4 gig stuff at this
>> point.
>>
>>>
>>> Cubase ain't 64bit yet, but will be in a few months.
>>>
>> I think it will be more than a few personally..:(
>>> I can see the writing on the wall and I want to be able to go
>>> there, soooo......
>>>
>>> Here's what I'm looking at:
>>>
>>> Intel BOXD975XBX2KR LGA 775 Intel 975X ATX Intel Motherbo-$249.99
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168131210 59
>>>
>> excellent motherboard
>>
>>> Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz 2 x 4MB L2
>>> Cache LGA 775 Processor (yeah...that's 10.64 GHz )-$970.00
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115 011
>>>
>> awesome but I would wait till summer time. Intel will doing a price drop
>> on them. if you really want to get a system going now you might want to go
>> for the E6600 and get the quad later. The e660 is still substantially
>> faster than what your using now.
>>
>>
>>> mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
>>> Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $149.99
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146 599
>>>
>> make sure it is cl4. the 800 part won't mean much if its got a high CL. Oh
>> and I would use 2 2gig sticks. The board will take upto 8 gigs in 64. 2gig
>> stick have come done allot in price.
>>
>>
>>> XFX PVT73GUGF3 GeForce 7600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express
>>> x16 Video Card-$119.99
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150 185
>>>
>> excellent
>>
>>> COOLMAX CP-500T EPS12V 500W Power Supply 115/230 V UL,
>>> CSA, -59.99
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817159 040
>>>
>> not good enough for the amount of stuff you got.
>> Get the Thermaltake 700 watt Tough Power. Way better. The 500watts will be
>> pushing to close to the edge.
>>
>>
>>> Seven Slot PCI Express to PCI-X Expansion System-$2050.00
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/GEFanucEmb eddedSystems/Seven_Slot_PCI_Express_to_PCIX_Expansion_System /17659/1
>>>
>> UAD don't recommend that unit at all. The PCI-e SBS stuff is way better.
>> http://uaudio.com/webzine/2006/december/index5.html
>>
>>
>>> rough total: $3599.96
>>>
>>> At this point I think I would have a workable 10+ GHZ system
>>> that *might* be able to run at 1.5ms without having to worry
>>> about ASIO direct monitoring while tracking projects that have
>>> FX on inserts/sends and still be able to utilize my existing
>>> PCI audio interfacing with PCIe hardware without having to
>>> replace it with a mishmash combination of PCIe/PCI stuff and I
>>> would be 64 bit capable when the time comes and I want to go
>>> to Vista and run 8G of RAM on the DAW.
>>>
>> Vista 64 is the only that will address 8 gigs or more. Vista 32 is no
>> different than XP. 4 gigs.
>>
>>> I really like the RME HDSP configuration I've got now with the
>>> Multiface and the 2 x HDSP 9652's with 16 AD/DA's on the
>>> ADI8-DS units and I don't really want to spend the extra $$ on
>>> RME and UAD-1 PCIe hardware if I can just integrate my
>>> existing PCI hardware with the PCIe > PCi SBS chassis. There
>>> might be a small hit to performance with the PCi>PCIe
>>> conversion as compared to interfacing PCIe directly with the
>>> mobo, but the new mobos don't have enough PCIe slots to allow
>>> me to use the number of cards I want to use without a PCIe
>>> expansion chassis anyway....and this will need to be 64 bit
>>> eventually so there's a $2k expense, no matter how you cut it.
>>> So why upgrade PCI cards to PCIe if I can get a PCIe chassis
>>> that will hold all my PCI cards and allow them to interface
>>> PCIe anyway?
>>>
>> SBS is the better unit. Not the Magma crap.
>>
>>> The reason I'm tempted to make the move now (besides wanting
>>> the horsepower) is that although the prices of the CPU's will
>>> be coming down over the next few months, so will the price
>>> I'll be able to get for my Magma's since they are 32 bit units
>>> (although 2 x of them are capable of integrating the PCIe host
>>> card so this gives them a little added value on EBay).
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4627
Big thanks on this one.
Not that 4 drives shouldn’t be sufficient. But I would love to be able to
move my external FirmTek drive system from my MacBook Pro to my Mac Pro and
back.
$25,00 well spent.
GeneFWIW, I have a Peluso CK-67 capsule... I've had it in two mics;
an M147, and my -149, and it sounded fine. Nothing like the
stock capsules that were in there (and that was the point of me
trying it), but nothing like what you're describing, either...
in both cases it gave the mic a very open sound, a little bit
of "scoop", and some decent, but not overly noticeable warmth.
It sounded better in the -149 than it did the -147, but then
the electronics in each mic are very different from one
another, but in the case of the -147 it turned the mic into a
whole 'nother animal... no longer smooth & on the darkish side,
but wide open & articulate.
I have heard that there has been consistency issues with Peluso
capsules, so maybe you got a crap one. Someone else here (can't
recall who) got two of the same kind from Peluso for a pair of
mics they had and I remember them posting that one sounded
great, the other was crap.
Neil
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>He it is funny how many times what you declare is what you are !
>There is so much literature on interenet as how good peluso capsules sound
>as aopposed to the chines ones...etc..
>I tried the best they make and the more expensive one on a Neumann M149
taking
>out the neumann capsule to hear how it sounds.
>Man the sound was so bad !
>Thin distorted on highs no low mids at all...
>Thats why my microphones will have the M7 capsule from Neumann...
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>They *are* Chinese capsules, for sure. They're just different Chinese
>>capsules and since they have the Peluso stamp of approval, they are bound
>to
>>be superior to a Geffel M7, right?. Now my mics are worth $2000.00
>>each......
>>
>>I accept PayPal.
>>
>>;oD
>>
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4628e981$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I tried the peluso capsules and they do not differ from the chinese...
>>> If that helps...
>>> Regards,
>>> Dimitrios
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>Whenever I drop by Gearslutz, I see all kinds of raving going on about
>the
>>>
>>>>Peluso mics. My kit built MA-200's have Peluso cardioid capsules in them.
>>> I
>>>>like them, but I've never tried comparing the exact same mic with the
>>>>Marshall capsule, then swapping out the capsule for the Peluso capsule
>and
>>>
>>>>trying that.......though I guess I should, just so I can pretend to be
>
>>>>some
>>>
>>>>sort of authority on the differences in Chinese cardioid capsules.
>>>>
>>>>;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:4628e362$
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168191 15011
>>>>>>
>>>>>>mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual =
>>>>>>Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $149.99
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168201 46599
>>>>>>
>>>>>>XFX PVT73GUGF3 GeForce 7600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16
>>>>>>Video
>>>>>=
>>>>>>Card-$119.99
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168141 50185
>>>>>>
>>>>>>COOLMAX CP-500T EPS12V 500W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, CSA, -59.99
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168171 59040
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Seven Slot PCI Express to PCI-X Expansion System-$2050.00
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/GEFanucEmb eddedSystems/=
>>>>>>Seven_Slot_PCI_Express_to_PCIX_Expansion_System/17659/1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>rough total: $3599.96
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At this point I think I would have a workable 10+ GHZ system that =
>>>>>>*might* be able to run at 1.5ms without having to worry about ASIO =
>>>>>>direct monitoring while tracking projects that have FX on
>>>>>>inserts/sends
>>>>>=
>>>>>>and still be able to utilize my existing PCI audio interfacing with
> PCIe
>>>>>=
>>>>>>hardware without having to replace it with a mishmash combination of
>>=
>>>>>>PCIe/PCI stuff and I would be 64 bit capable when the time comes and
>>I
>>>> =
>>>>>>want to go to Vista and run 8G of RAM on the DAW.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I really like the RME HDSP configuration I've got now with the
>>>>>>Multiface
>>>>>=
>>>>>>and the 2 x HDSP 9652's with 16 AD/DA's on the ADI8-DS units and I
>>>>>>don't
>>>>>=
>>>>>>really want to spend the extra $$ on RME and UAD-1 PCIe hardware if
> I
>>=
>>>>>>can just integrate my existing PCI hardware with the PCIe > PCi SBS
> =
>>>>>>chassis. There might be a small hit to performance with the PCi>PCIe
>>=
>>>>>>conversion as compared to interfacing PCIe directly with the mobo, but
>>>> =
>>>>>>the new mobos don't have enough PCIe slots to allow me to use the
>>>>>>number
>>>>>=
>>>>>>of cards I want to use without a PCIe expansion chassis anyway....and
>>=
>>>>>>this will need to be 64 bit eventually so there's a $2k expense, no
> =
>>>>>>matter how you cut it. So why upgrade PCI cards to PCIe if I can get
>>a
>>>> =
>>>>>>PCIe chassis that will hold all my PCI cards and allow them to
>>>>>>interface
>>>>>=
>>>>>>PCIe anyway?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The reason I'm tempted to make the move now (besides wanting the =
>>>>>>horsepower) is that although the prices of the CPU's will be coming
> down
>>>>>=
>>>>>>over the next few months, so will the price I'll be able to get for
> my
>>>> =
>>>>>>Magma's since they are 32 bit units (although 2 x of them are capable
>>of
>>>>>=
>>>>>>integrating the PCIe host card so this gives them a little added value
>>>> =
>>>>>>on EBay).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
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>>>>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
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>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cubase ain't 64bit yet, but will be in
>>a
>>>>>=
>>>>>>few months.=20
>>>>>>I can see the writing on the wall and I want to be able to go
>>>>>>there,=20
>>>>>>soooo......</FONT></P>
>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here's what I'm looking at:</FONT></P>
>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Intel BOXD975XBX2KR LGA 775 Intel 975X
>>=
>>>>>>ATX Intel=20
>>>>>>Motherbo-$249.99</FONT></P>
>>>>>><P><A=20
>>>>>>href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=3DN82E1681312 1059"=
>>>>>>><FONT=20
>>>>>>face=3DArial=20
>>>>>>size=3D2> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=3DN82E1681312 1059=
>>>>>></FONT></A></P>
>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Kentsfield
>>=
>>>>>>2.66GHz 2 x=20
>>>>>>4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor (yeah...that's 10.64=20
>>>>>>GHz )-$970.00</FONT></P>
>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>>>>>>href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168191 15011=
>>>>>>"> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168191 15011</A></=
>>>>>>FONT></P>
>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2
>>>>>>SDRAM
>>>>>=
>>>>>>DDR2 800=20
>>>>>>(PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $149.99</FONT></P>
>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>>>>>>href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168201 46599=
>>>>>>"> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168201 46599</A></=
>>>>>>FONT></P>
>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>XFX PVT73GUGF3 GeForce 7600GT 256MB =
>>>>>>128-bit GDDR3 PCI=20
>>>>>>Express x16 Video Card-$119.99</FONT></P>
>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>>>>>>href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168141 50185=
>>>>>>"> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168141 50185</A></=
>>>>>>FONT></P>
>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>COOLMAX CP-500T EPS12V 500W Power
>>>>>>Supply
>>>>>=
>>>>>>115/230 V=20
>>>>>>UL, CSA, -59.99</FONT></P>
>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>>>>>>href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168171 59040=
>>>>>>"> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168171 59040</A></=
>>>>>>FONT></P><FONT=20
>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2>
>>>>>><P class=3DheaderGold>Seven Slot PCI Express to PCI-X Expansion=20
>>>>>>System-$2050.00</P></FONT>
>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>>>>>>href=3D" http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/GEFanucEmb edded=
>>>>>> Systems/Seven_Slot_PCI_Express_to_PCIX_Expansion_System/1765 9/1 ">http://w=
>>>>>> ww.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/GEFanucEmbeddedSys tems/Seven_Sl=
>>>>>>ot_PCI_Express_to_PCIX_Expansion_System/17659/1</A></FONT ></P>
>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>rough total: $3599.96</FONT></P>
>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At this point I think I would have a
> =
>>>>>>workable 10+ GHZ=20
>>>>>>system that *might* be able to run at 1.5ms without having to worry
> =
>>>>>>about ASIO=20
>>>>>>direct monitoring while tracking projects that have FX on
>>>>>>inserts/sends
>>>>>=
>>>>>>and=20
>>>>>>still be able to utilize my existing PCI audio interfacing with PCIe
>>=
>>>>>>hardware=20
>>>>>>without having to replace it with a mishmash combination of PCIe/PCI
>>=
>>>>>>stuff and I=20
>>>>>>would be 64 bit capable when the time comes and I want to go to Vista
>>=
>>>>>>and run 8G=20
>>>>>>of RAM on the DAW.</FONT></P>
>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I really like the RME HDSP
>>>>>>configuration
>>>>>=
>>>>>>I've got now=20
>>>>>>with the Multiface and the 2 x HDSP 9652's with 16 AD/DA's on the =
>>>>>>ADI8-DS units=20
>>>>>>and I don't really want to spend the extra $$ on RME and UAD-1 PCIe
> =
>>>>>>hardware if=20
>>>>>>I can just integrate my existing PCI hardware with the PCIe > PCi SBS
>>=
>>>>>>
>>>>>>chassis. There might be a small hit to performance with the
>>>>>>PCi>PCIe=20
>>>>>>conversion as compared to interfacing PCIe directly with the mobo, but
>>>> =
>>>>>>the new=20
>>>>>>mobos don't have enough PCIe slots to allow me to use the number of
> =
>>>>>>cards I want=20
>>>>>>to use without a PCIe expansion chassis anyway....and this will need
>>to
>>>>>=
>>>>>>be 64=20
>>>>>>bit eventually so there's a $2k expense, no matter how you cut it. So
>>=
>>>>>>why=20
>>>>>>upgrade PCI cards to PCIe if I can get a PCIe chassis that will =
>>>>>>hold all my=20
>>>>>>PCI cards and allow them to interface PCIe anyway?</FONT></P>
>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The reason I'm tempted to make the move
>>>> =
>>>>>>now (besides=20
>>>>>>wanting the horsepower) is
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o.
If you're interested, check my last post on the "I want to get 64bit/Vista
ready" thread for some more info on the digging I've been doing on a new
native DAW.
;o)Thanks Gene, I'll take a look.
BTW, glad to hear your laptop is doing great. The latest Macbook Pro is
tempting...
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Gene Lennon wrote:
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> Hey Gene, which FirmTek external drive system do you have and how do you
>
>> like it?
>>
>> I'm evaluating external removable HD systems for my G5.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>
> Hi Jamie.
> Check this post:
> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/80869-macbook -pro-fire.html
>
> It works great for me. My laptop is smoking!
> GeneJust ran across this. Very interesting stuff.
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=o2000&pag e=1
In the multimedia test, Intel kicks the Opterons' collective butt
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=o2000&pag e=6
...................but how does this correlate to DAW functionality?
I'm wondering though if the benchmarks that would translate best for DAW use
aren't more along the lines of the memory bandwth and the Apache tests that
simulate requests p/s processed, and max data transfer rate.
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=o2000&pag e=8
In the case of memory bandwidth, AMD has the edge and as far as requests p/s
and max data transfer, they are about even.
Hmmmmmm.........enought of this...my head hurts.
..
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:462a81da$1@linux...
>
> I've been hanging out on the AMDZone today trying to educate myself a bit.
>
> In researching the Tyan S2915 mobo, I ran across this thread
> http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=87410
>
> and I also ran across this:
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Berlind/?p=366
>
> What I'm wondering is if this mobo will be quad core compatible and what
> is the most powerful CPU it will currently allow.
>
> Opterons are very confusing...there are so many of them by so many
> different names.
>
> Lots of interesting stuff on AMDZone disputing claims by Intel of superior
> performance. Lots of it looks credible too.
>
> If you're interested, check my last post on the "I want to get 64bit/Vista
> ready" thread for some more info on the digging I've been doing on a new
> native DAW.
> ;o)
>
>I think this is the kind of thing that's in store for us once Vista comes of
age and our audio apps can support such things:
http://www.pricerunner.com/pl/35-733473/Motherboards/Tyan-Th under-n4250QE-(S4985)-Compare-Prices
Drop 4 x Octocore CPU's in one of these and you might be able to run a few
plugins. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple already has a 4 socket quad in the
wings right now.
In two years we're gonna be in heaven guys (broke, but in heaven)
;o)Nah, we'll be right where we are now with plugin and track counts, except it
will be because we'll be running out of power with 192-384k audio
at 64 bit, and plugins that require an octo core cpu each, simply because
nothing else sounds good enough anymore, at least until it hits the iPods.
;-)
Still, a quad octo core would be shweet. And now Thad has me psyched
(albeit not overly hopeful) about a linux system on top of it all....
Dedric
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:462aa253$1@linux...
>I think this is the kind of thing that's in store for us once Vista comes
>of age and our audio apps can support such things:
>
> http://www.pricerunner.com/pl/35-733473/Motherboards/Tyan-Th under-n4250QE-(S4985)-Compare-Prices
>
> Drop 4 x Octocore CPU's in one of these and you might be able to run a few
> plugins. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple already has a 4 socket quad in
> the wings right now.
>
> In two years we're gonna be in heaven guys (broke, but in heaven)
>
> ;o)
>
>GNU/Linux moves at its own pace. It's not as fast or flashy as a commercial
OS. But let's not forget who, in the end, won the race in tortoise v. hare.
TCB
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>Nah, we'll be right where we are now with plugin and track counts, except
it
>will be because we'll be running out of power with 192-384k audio
>at 64 bit, and plugins that require an octo core cpu each, simply because
>nothing else sounds good enough anymore, at least until it hits the iPods.
>;-)
>
>Still, a quad octo core would be shweet. And now Thad has me psyched
>(albeit not overly hopeful) about a linux system on top of it all....
>
>Dedric
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:462aa253$1@linux...
>>I think this is the kind of thing that's in store for us once Vista comes
>>of age and our audio apps can support such things:
>>
>> http://www.pricerunner.com/pl/35-733473/Motherboards/Tyan-Th under-n4250QE-(S4985)-Compare-Prices
>>
>> Drop 4 x Octocore CPU's in one of these and you might be able to run a
few
>> plugins. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple already has a 4 socket quad
in
>> the wings right now.
>>
>> In two years we're gonna be in heaven guys (broke, but in heaven)
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>
>I dunno. In some ways the Ubuntu I just loaded is ahead. For example, this
Add/Remove programs that just searches the net and goes "Yep, here's all
the free options" and lets you select one for automatic download, instead
of download.com then downloading then installing... see that's thinkin'.
On the other hand, Firefox has crashed on me a couple of times, and the Add/Remove
programs doesn't always want to work for me...
....but they're catching up fast.
Cheers,
Kim.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>GNU/Linux moves at its own pace. It's not as fast or flashy as a commercial
>OS. But let's not forget who, in the end, won the race in tortoise v. hare.
>
>
>TCB
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>Nah, we'll be right where we are now with plugin and track counts, except
>it
>>will be because we'll be running out of power with 192-384k audio
>>at 64 bit, and plugins that require an octo core cpu each, simply because
>
>>nothing else sounds good enough anymore, at least until it hits the iPods.
>
>>;-)
>>
>>Still, a quad octo core would be shweet. And now Thad has me psyched
>>(albeit not overly hopeful) about a linux system on top of it all....
>>
>>Dedric
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:462aa253$1@linux...
>>>I think this is the kind of thing that's in store for us once Vista comes
>
>>>of age and our audio apps can support such things:
>>>
>>> http://www.pricerunner.com/pl/35-733473/Motherboards/Tyan-Th under-n4250QE-(S4985)-Compare-Prices
>>>
>>> Drop 4 x Octocore CPU's in one of these and you might be able to run
a
>few
>>> plugins. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple already has a 4 socket quad
>in
>>> the wings right now.
>>>
>>> In two years we're gonna be in heaven guys (broke, but in heaven)
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>My Paris notes have been updated for easier navigation. Enjoy
Thanks
http://www.kfocus.com/paris/Dedric,
Friends don't let friends dual boot :-) If you want to play, get Virtual
PC 2007 (free download) or Virtual Box (free download) and run anything you
want in virtual machines. The ultimate playground. I've gone through at
least 6 linux distros, full installs and checked em out without touching
one byte of the physical machine :-)
Chuck
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>Thad - have you used/are you using XGL/Compiz? I came across a video
>demo of it - looks like it blows away the eye candy of Vista and OSX, at
>least from what
>I saw in the video. A bit over the top for normal audio or business app
>use, but I'm impressed
>lots of cool workflow possibilities there.
>
>If we were to get widespread audio app and driver support (and a few other
>apps/tools I would be dead in the
>water without), I would happily move to Ubuntu, but that's probably a long
>way off, if ever.
>
>Is it possible to network an Ubuntu/linux system with Windows XP machines?
>I might consider
>dual booting my laptop just for the heck of it. I'm guessing it is, at
>least on the linux end...
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:462a26ac$1@linux...
>>
>> OK, I'll try to be nice here. I'm hungover after a long night out with,
>> well,
>> a friend. OS X _might_ be the easy way to run _Unix_, but it has
>> absolutely
>> nothing to do with _linux_. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero. Not at the technical
>> level, not at the licensing level, not at the moral level, not at the
>> community
>> level, not at the pricing level.
>>
>> I realize you probably don't make those distinctions, but I actually take
>> offense at OS X being equated with linux. And I respond to DC regularly
so
>> I don't take offense at the drop of a hat.
>>
>> If you would like to take a look at actual linux, Ubuntu 7 just released,
>> Feisty Fawn. The install CD is actually a live CD, so you can boot off
the
>> CD and poke around a bit if you like. Beryl is installed but not enabled
>> by default, and if you turn it on you'll have all the eye candy you could
>> possible want, and not be stuck with a proprietary OS.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>I wouldn't think it's like you to buy a Mac... I mean, for starters
>>>they're
>>>reliable...
>>>
>>>...and secondly, there's a point of view from which you could say that
a
>>>Mac is "the easy way" to run Linux. ;o) And since when did you start doing
>>>things the easy way? ;o)
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>Not now silly.........later when I know how evil it really is so I can
>>
>>>>appreciate, take full responsibility for and properly savor the grief
>>>>that
>>>
>>>>it will cause in my life when I intentionally, and with aforethought,
>>>>make
>>>
>>>>the transition.................however, from what I'm hearing, there
may
>>>be
>>>>some *real* advantages to Vista as far as performance of multicore CPU's.
>>>
>>>>Win XP multicore support is more of a kludge, or so I'm hearing (though
>>>
>>>>Vista itself may be a kludge too). The ability to run lots of RAM is
>>>>always
>>>
>>>>a good thing and if Vista is better at supporting multicore CPU's perhaps
>>>it
>>>>would be preferable to XP-64.
>>>>
>>>>God forbid I should buy a Mac.
>>>>
>>>>;oD
>>>>
>>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4629399a@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeh I'm not sure why you'd want to go Vista Deej.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is why I posted the Linux on a laptop question the other day.
If
>>>at
>>>>> all possible my Windows career is going to stop on XP. I'll still need
>>>at
>>>>> least one XP or 98 install for Paris, but I can run everything else
on
>>>
>>>>> Linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...audio software may be another thing, though I'm confident 2 years
>> from
>>>>> now we'll s
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #82023 is a reply to message #82021] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 09:36 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
gt;>>>>>=
>>>>>>>PCIe anyway?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The reason I'm tempted to make the move now (besides wanting the =
>>>>>>>horsepower) is that although the prices of the CPU's will be coming
>> down
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>over the next few months, so will the price I'll be able to get for
>> my
>>>>> =
>>>>>>>Magma's since they are 32 bit units (although 2 x of them are capable
>>>of
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>integrating the PCIe host card so this gives them a little added value
>>>>> =
>>>>>>>on EBay).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>>>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>>>>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>>>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16414" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>>>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>>>>></HEAD>
>>>>>>><BODY>
>>>>>>><DIV>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cubase ain't 64bit yet, but will be
in
>>>a
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>few months.=20
>>>>>>>I can see the writing on the wall and I want to be able to go
>>>>>>>there,=20
>>>>>>>soooo......</FONT></P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here's what I'm looking at:</FONT></P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Intel BOXD975XBX2KR LGA 775 Intel 975X
>>>=
>>>>>>>ATX Intel=20
>>>>>>>Motherbo-$249.99</FONT></P>
>>>>>>><P><A=20
>>>>>>>href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=3DN82E1681312 1059"=
>>>>>>>><FONT=20
>>>>>>>face=3DArial=20
>>>>>>>size=3D2> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=3DN82E1681312 1059=
>>>>>>></FONT></A></P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Kentsfield
>>>=
>>>>>>>2.66GHz 2 x=20
>>>>>>>4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor (yeah...that's 10.64=20
>>>>>>>GHz )-$970.00</FONT></P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>>>>>>>href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168191 15011=
>>>>>>>"> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168191 15011</A></=
>>>>>>>FONT></P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2
>>>>>>>SDRAM
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>DDR2 800=20
>>>>>>>(PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $149.99</FONT></P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>>>>>>>href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168201 46599=
>>>>>>>"> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168201 46599</A></=
>>>>>>>FONT></P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>XFX PVT73GUGF3 GeForce 7600GT 256MB
=
>>>>>>>128-bit GDDR3 PCI=20
>>>>>>>Express x16 Video Card-$119.99</FONT></P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>>>>>>>href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168141 50185=
>>>>>>>"> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168141 50185</A></=
>>>>>>>FONT></P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>COOLMAX CP-500T EPS12V 500W Power
>>>>>>>Supply
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>115/230 V=20
>>>>>>>UL, CSA, -59.99</FONT></P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>>>>>>>href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168171 59040=
>>>>>>>"> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168171 59040</A></=
>>>>>>>FONT></P><FONT=20
>>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2>
>>>>>>><P class=3DheaderGold>Seven Slot PCI Express to PCI-X Expansion=20
>>>>>>>System-$2050.00</P></FONT>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>>>>>>>href=3D" http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/GEFanucEmb edded=
>>>>>>> Systems/Seven_Slot_PCI_Express_to_PCIX_Expansion_System/1765 9/1 ">http://w=
>>>>>>> ww.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/GEFanucEmbeddedSys tems/Seven_Sl=
>>>>>>>ot_PCI_Express_to_PCIX_Expansion_System/17659/1</A></FONT ></P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>rough total: $3599.96</FONT></P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At this point I think I would have
a
>> =
>>>>>>>workable 10+ GHZ=20
>>>>>>>system that *might* be able to run at 1.5ms without having to worry
>> =
>>>>>>>about ASIO=20
>>>>>>>direct monitoring while tracking projects that have FX on
>>>>>>>inserts/sends
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>and=20
>>>>>>>still be able to utilize my existing PCI audio interfacing with PCIe
>>>=
>>>>>>>hardware=20
>>>>>>>without having to replace it with a mishmash combination of PCIe/PCI
>>>=
>>>>>>>stuff and I=20
>>>>>>>would be 64 bit capable when the time comes and I want to go to Vista
>>>=
>>>>>>>and run 8G=20
>>>>>>>of RAM on the DAW.</FONT></P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I really like the RME HDSP
>>>>>>>configuration
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>I've got now=20
>>>>>>>with the Multiface and the 2 x HDSP 9652's with 16 AD/DA's on the
=
>>>>>>>ADI8-DS units=20
>>>>>>>and I don't really want to spend the extra $$ on RME and UAD-1 PCIe
>> =
>>>>>>>hardware if=20
>>>>>>>I can just integrate my existing PCI hardware with the PCIe > PCi
SBS
>>>=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>chassis. There might be a small hit to performance with the
>>>>>>>PCi>PCIe=20
>>>>>>>conversion as compared to interfacing PCIe directly with the mobo,
but
>>>>> =
>>>>>>>the new=20
>>>>>>>mobos don't have enough PCIe slots to allow me to use the number of
>> =
>>>>>>>cards I want=20
>>>>>>>to use without a PCIe expansion chassis anyway....and this will need
>>>to
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>be 64=20
>>>>>>>bit eventually so there's a $2k expense, no matter how you cut it.
So
>>>=
>>>>>>>why=20
>>>>>>>upgrade PCI cards to PCIe if I can get a PCIe chassis that will =
>>>>>>>hold all my=20
>>>>>>>PCI cards and allow them to interface PCIe anyway?</FONT></P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The reason I'm tempted to make the
move
>>>>> =
>>>>>>>now (besides=20
>>>>>>>wanting the horsepower) is that although the prices of the CPU's =
>>>>>>>will be=20
>>>>>>>coming down over the next few months, so will the price I'll be able
>>>to
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>get for=20
>>>>>>>my Magma's since they are 32 bit units (although 2 x of them are
>>>>>>>capable
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>of=20
>>>>>>>integrating the PCIe host card so this gives them a little added value
>>>>> =
>>>>>>>on=20
>>>>>>>EBay).</FONT></P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any thoughts?</FONT></P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P>
>>>>>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Keep me posted. I will have to employ a Momma sitter for me dear mum.
303-477-0047
mileupmike@qwest.net
Regards,
El Miguel
4501 W. 38th Avenue
Denver, CO 80212
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46283a62@linux...
> I'm gonna be in the area and so is Aaron Allen and so is Dedric Terry and
> so is........
>
> Jamie??, John Macy??, Mic Cross???, El???.....who else???.......
>
> ...........and since Kim is making the effort to come all the way from
> Australia, that means that the rest of you guys have no excuse not to make
> it from wherever you live.
>
> We all need to get together for dinner. I'm not sure exactly where yet but
> if enough of us show up we could probaly make an impression wherever we
> end up.
>
> ;o)
>
>
>
>
>Oh boy!
I got a line on you, babe....
El Miguel
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:46287cc2@linux...
> Dude, that's like 1200 miles, and I'm working that day. I'll be there in
> spirit. :)
>
> S
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:462862fe$1@linux...
>> You are coming, right? Bring your camera!
>>
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
>> news:46285ab0@linux...
>>> Oh man. Somebody better take pictures. :)
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46283a62@linux...
>>>> I'm gonna be in the area and so is Aaron Allen and so is Dedric Terry
>>>> and so is........
>>>>
>>>> Jamie??, John Macy??, Mic Cross???, El???.....who else???.......
>>>>
>>>> ...........and since Kim is making the effort to come all the way from
>>>> Australia, that means that the rest of you guys have no excuse not to
>>>> make it from wherever you live.
>>>>
>>>> We all need to get together for dinner. I'm not sure exactly where yet
>>>> but if enough of us show up we could probaly make an impression
>>>> wherever we end up.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>You had tried the KSM models on another female vocal.
They have the KSM 44 too.
Regards,
El Miguel
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:462a37b8@linux...
>
> Thanks again Neil, TCB, DJ, Dimitrios, and Graham! I've passed along your
> insights!
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> Graham Duncan wrote:
>> Heh, screw it. Buy the Gefells and don't bother wondering if your
>> cheaper stuff is almost as good. How's that? ;)
>>
>> GrahamWill do. Looks like Aaron and I will be showing up on Thursday.....at least
that's what we're talking about right now.
;o)
"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:462b7714$1@linux...
> Keep me posted. I will have to employ a Momma sitter for me dear mum.
>
> 303-477-0047
> mileupmike@qwest.net
>
> Regards,
>
> El Miguel
> 4501 W. 38th Avenue
> Denver, CO 80212
>
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46283a62@linux...
>> I'm gonna be in the area and so is Aaron Allen and so is Dedric Terry and
>> so is........
>>
>> Jamie??, John Macy??, Mic Cross???, El???.....who else???.......
>>
>> ...........and since Kim is making the effort to come all the way from
>> Australia, that means that the rest of you guys have no excuse not to
>> make it from wherever you live.
>>
>> We all need to get together for dinner. I'm not sure exactly where yet
>> but if enough of us show up we could probaly make an impression wherever
>> we end up.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Thanks Chuck, and Thad - that sounds like a good way to give them a spin
at least for the fun of it (yeah, I'm not too fond of dual booting).
Maybe someday an iteration of linux will be an option for pro audio.
Regards,
Dedric
On 4/22/07 8:24 AM, in article 462b7034$1@linux, "chuck duffy" <c@c.com>
wrote:
>
> Dedric,
>
> Friends don't let friends dual boot :-) If you want to play, get Virtual
> PC 2007 (free download) or Virtual Box (free download) and run anything you
> want in virtual machines. The ultimate playground. I've gone through at
> least 6 linux distros, full installs and checked em out without touching
> one byte of the physical machine :-)
>
> Chuck
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>> Thad - have you used/are you using XGL/Compiz? I came across a video
>> demo of it - looks like it blows away the eye candy of Vista and OSX, at
>
>> least from what
>>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #82024 is a reply to message #82021] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 10:54 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
I saw in the video. A bit over the top for normal audio or business app
>
>> use, but I'm impressed
>> lots of cool workflow possibilities there.
>>
>> If we were to get widespread audio app and driver support (and a few other
>
>> apps/tools I would be dead in the
>> water without), I would happily move to Ubuntu, but that's probably a long
>
>> way off, if ever.
>>
>> Is it possible to network an Ubuntu/linux system with Windows XP machines?
>
>> I might consider
>> dual booting my laptop just for the heck of it. I'm guessing it is, at
>
>> least on the linux end...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:462a26ac$1@linux...
>>>
>>> OK, I'll try to be nice here. I'm hungover after a long night out with,
>
>>> well,
>>> a friend. OS X _might_ be the easy way to run _Unix_, but it has
>>> absolutely
>>> nothing to do with _linux_. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero. Not at the technical
>>> level, not at the licensing level, not at the moral level, not at the
>
>>> community
>>> level, not at the pricing level.
>>>
>>> I realize you probably don't make those distinctions, but I actually take
>>> offense at OS X being equated with linux. And I respond to DC regularly
> so
>>> I don't take offense at the drop of a hat.
>>>
>>> If you would like to take a look at actual linux, Ubuntu 7 just released,
>>> Feisty Fawn. The install CD is actually a live CD, so you can boot off
> the
>>> CD and poke around a bit if you like. Beryl is installed but not enabled
>>> by default, and if you turn it on you'll have all the eye candy you could
>>> possible want, and not be stuck with a proprietary OS.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't think it's like you to buy a Mac... I mean, for starters
>>>> they're
>>>> reliable...
>>>>
>>>> ...and secondly, there's a point of view from which you could say that
> a
>>>> Mac is "the easy way" to run Linux. ;o) And since when did you start doing
>>>> things the easy way? ;o)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Kim.
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>> Not now silly.........later when I know how evil it really is so I can
>>>
>>>>> appreciate, take full responsibility for and properly savor the grief
>
>>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>> it will cause in my life when I intentionally, and with aforethought,
>
>>>>> make
>>>>
>>>>> the transition.................however, from what I'm hearing, there
> may
>>>> be
>>>>> some *real* advantages to Vista as far as performance of multicore CPU's.
>>>>
>>>>> Win XP multicore support is more of a kludge, or so I'm hearing (though
>>>>
>>>>> Vista itself may be a kludge too). The ability to run lots of RAM is
>
>>>>> always
>>>>
>>>>> a good thing and if Vista is better at supporting multicore CPU's perhaps
>>>> it
>>>>> would be preferable to XP-64.
>>>>>
>>>>> God forbid I should buy a Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> ;oD
>>>>>
>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4629399a@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeh I'm not sure why you'd want to go Vista Deej.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is why I posted the Linux on a laptop question the other day.
> If
>>>> at
>>>>>> all possible my Windows career is going to stop on XP. I'll still need
>>>> at
>>>>>> least one XP or 98 install for Paris, but I can run everything else
> on
>>>>
>>>>>> Linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...audio software may be another thing, though I'm confident 2 years
>>> from
>>>>>> now we'll see movement towards Linux from mainstream audio apps also.
>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile,
>>>>>> I imagine they will continue to support XP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> XP support will be around a long while, as 98 was. Remember the bad
>
>>>>>> press
>>>>>> Windows ME got? And 98 ended up outlasting ME because of this. Now
> look
>>>>
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> much MORE bad press Vista has had.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows days are over dude... IMHO... don't go Vista...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Kim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No Vista! Bad Deej! No biscuit! You spend night in kennel!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cubase ain't 64bit yet, but will be in a few months. I can see the
> =
>>>>>>>> writing on the wall and I want to be able to go there, soooo......
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's what I'm looking at:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Intel BOXD975XBX2KR LGA 775 Intel 975X ATX Intel Motherbo-$249.99
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=3DN82E1681312 1059
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA
>>> 775
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> Processor (yeah...that's 10.64 GHz )-$970.00
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168191 15011
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual
> =
>>>>>>>> Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $149.99
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168201 46599
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> XFX PVT73GUGF3 GeForce 7600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16
>
>>>>>>>> Video
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> Card-$119.99
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168141 50185
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> COOLMAX CP-500T EPS12V 500W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, CSA, -59.99
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168171 59040
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seven Slot PCI Express to PCI-X Expansion System-$2050.00
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/GEFanucEmb eddedSystem
>>>>>>>> s/=
>>>>>>>> Seven_Slot_PCI_Express_to_PCIX_Expansion_System/17659/1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> rough total: $3599.96
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At this point I think I would have a workable 10+ GHZ system that
> =
>>>>>>>> *might* be able to run at 1.5ms without having to worry about ASIO
> =
>>>>>>>> direct monitoring while tracking projects that have FX on
>>>>>>>> inserts/sends
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> and still be able to utilize my existing PCI audio interfacing with
>>> PCIe
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> hardware without having to replace it with a mishmash combination
> of
>>>> =
>>>>>>>> PCIe/PCI stuff and I would be 64 bit capable when the time comes and
>>>> I
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> want to go to Vista and run 8G of RAM on the DAW.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really like the RME HDSP configuration I've got now with the
>>>>>>>> Multiface
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> and the 2 x HDSP 9652's with 16 AD/DA's on the ADI8-DS units and I
>
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> really want to spend the extra $$ on RME and UAD-1 PCIe hardware if
>>> I
>>>> =
>>>>>>>> can just integrate my existing PCI hardware with the PCIe > PCi SBS
>>> =
>>>>>>>> chassis. There might be a small hit to performance with the PCi>PCIe
>>>> =
>>>>>>>> conversion as compared to interfacing PCIe directly with the mobo,
> but
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> the new mobos don't have enough PCIe slots to allow me to use the
>
>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> of cards I want to use without a PCIe expansion chassis anyway....and
>>>> =
>>>>>>>> this will need to be 64 bit eventually so there's a $2k expense, no
>>> =
>>>>>>>> matter how you cut it. So why upgrade PCI cards to PCIe if I can get
>>>> a
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> PCIe chassis that will hold all my PCI cards and allow them to
>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> PCIe anyway?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The reason I'm tempted to make the move now (besides wanting the =
>>>>>>>> horsepower) is that although the prices of the CPU's will be coming
>>> down
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> over the next few months, so will the price I'll be able to get for
>>> my
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> Magma's since they are 32 bit units (although 2 x of them are capable
>>>> of
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> integrating the PCIe host card so this gives them a little added value
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> on EBay).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>>>>>> <HTML><HEAD>
>>>>>>>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>>>>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>>>>>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16414" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>>>>>> <STYLE></STYLE>
>>>>>>>> </HEAD>
>>>>>>>> <BODY>
>>>>>>>> <DIV>
>>>>>>>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cubase ain't 64bit yet, but will be
> in
>>>> a
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> few months.=20
>>>>>>>> I can see the writing on the wall and I want to be able to go
>>>>>>>> there,=20
>>>>>>>> soooo......</FONT></P>
>>>>>>>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here's what I'm looking at:</FONT></P>
>>>>>>>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Intel BOXD975XBX2KR LGA 775 Intel 975X
>>>> =
>>>>>>>> ATX Intel=20
>>>>>>>> Motherbo-$249.99</FONT></P>
>>>>>>>> <P><A=20
>>>>>>>> href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=3DN82E1681312 105
>>>>>>>> 9"=
>>>>>>>>> <FONT=20
>>>>>>>> face=3DArial=20
>>>>>>>> size=3D2> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=3DN82E1681312 10
>>>>>>>> 59=
>>>>>>>> </FONT></A></P>
>>>>>>>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Kentsfield
>>>> =
>>>>>>>> 2.66GHz 2 x=20
>>>>>>>> 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor (yeah...that's 10.64=20
>>>>>>>> GHz )-$970.00</FONT></P>
>>>>>>>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>>>>>>>> href=3D" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168191 150
>>>>>>>> 11=
>>>>>>>> "> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168191 15011</A>
>>>>>>>> </=
>>>>>>>> FONT></P>
>>>>>>>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2
>
>>>>>>>> SDRAM
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>> DDR2 800=20
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #82032 is a reply to message #82024] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 12:56 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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t;
>The core of both Ubuntu and Debian is apt, the package management system.
When using either of those distros one doesn't even think about 'installing
software.' It's what finally made me settle on Debian. RPM and the various
GUIs that sit on top of it was always a hassle for me. With Debian every
day I boot up my machine I open a terminal window and type 'apt-get update'
and the apt-get dist-upgrade' and even though I'm using 'testing' Debian
I've never had a single solitary problem.
I honestly and truly believe the biggest problem with adoption of linux is
(the lack of) porn (out of the box). When a friend asks me to set up a machine
I do Ubuntu and get all of the win32 codecs installed and I've never had
a complaint. However, that's not exactly the kind of call to which many will
answer, 'All the porn, none of the security issues!' Maybe someday someone
will have the stones and do Ubuntu Porn just like Ubuntu Studio.
TCB
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I dunno. In some ways the Ubuntu I just loaded is ahead. For example, this
>Add/Remove programs that just searches the net and goes "Yep, here's all
>the free options" and lets you select one for automatic download, instead
>of download.com then downloading then installing... see that's thinkin'.
>
>On the other hand, Firefox has crashed on me a couple of times, and the
Add/Remove
>programs doesn't always want to work for me...
>
>...but they're catching up fast.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>GNU/Linux moves at its own pace. It's not as fast or flashy as a commercial
>>OS. But let's not forget who, in the end, won the race in tortoise v. hare.
>>
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>Nah, we'll be right where we are now with plugin and track counts, except
>>it
>>>will be because we'll be running out of power with 192-384k audio
>>>at 64 bit, and plugins that require an octo core cpu each, simply because
>>
>>>nothing else sounds good enough anymore, at least until it hits the iPods.
>>
>>>;-)
>>>
>>>Still, a quad octo core would be shweet. And now Thad has me psyched
>>>(albeit not overly hopeful) about a linux system on top of it all....
>>>
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:462aa253$1@linux...
>>>>I think this is the kind of thing that's in store for us once Vista comes
>>
>>>>of age and our audio apps can support such things:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pricerunner.com/pl/35-733473/Motherboards/Tyan-Th under-n4250QE-(S4985)-Compare-Prices
>>>>
>>>> Drop 4 x Octocore CPU's in one of these and you might be able to run
>a
>>few
>>>> plugins. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple already has a 4 socket quad
>>in
>>>> the wings right now.
>>>>
>>>> In two years we're gonna be in heaven guys (broke, but in heaven)
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>DJ wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqfFrCUrEbY
>
> ;oD
>
>
Loved it!
Check out Pancakes and Girls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcD7-eNMsRQ&NR=1
For some reason it made me hungry.I just want to let you know of a cool service I used recently for drum
tracks http://www.livestudiodrums.com/
The same guy that does Smart Loops. He did an excellent job for me. Very
tasty. Excellent player. Great sounding kit. Convenient and quick turn
around. And cheap!
Here is the tune he did for me.
http://www.billlorentzen.com/html/way_to_happiness.html
Have fun!Bill L wrote:
> I just want to let you know of a cool service I used recently for drum
> tracks http://www.livestudiodrums.com/
> The same guy that does Smart Loops. He did an excellent job for me. Very
> tasty. Excellent player. Great sounding kit. Convenient and quick turn
> around. And cheap!
>
> Here is the tune he did for me.
> http://www.billlorentzen.com/html/way_to_happiness.html
>
> Have fun!
His name is Frank Basille.Sounds great. Nice tune, nice mix.
I like your guitar tone, too - you've got that Larrylee
Carltoritenour thing goin' on. Like a 335 through a MkII Boogie
sorta-tone.
Where's the cowbell, though? I can barely hear it.
:)
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>Bill L wrote:
>> I just want to let you know of a cool service I used recently for drum
>> tracks http://www.livestudiodrums.com/
>> The same guy that does Smart Loops. He did an excellent job for me. Very
>> tasty. Excellent player. Great sounding kit. Convenient and quick turn
>> around. And cheap!
>>
>> Here is the tune he did for me.
>> http://www.billlorentzen.com/html/way_to_happiness.html
>>
>> Have fun!
>His name is Frank Basille.Definitely did a solid job...cool tune, nice groove
Don
"Nei" <oiuOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:462bdb9b$1@linux...
>
> Sounds great. Nice tune, nice mix.
>
> I like your guitar tone, too - you've got that Larrylee
> Carltoritenour thing goin' on. Like a 335 through a MkII Boogie
> sorta-tone.
>
> Where's the cowbell, though? I can barely hear it.
>
>
> :)
>
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>Bill L wrote:
>>> I just want to let you know of a cool service I used recently for drum
>
>>> tracks http://www.livestudiodrums.com/
>>> The same guy that does Smart Loops. He did an excellent job for me. Very
>
>>> tasty. Excellent player. Great sounding kit. Convenient and quick turn
>
>>> around. And cheap!
>>>
>>> Here is the tune he did for me.
>>> http://www.billlorentzen.com/html/way_to_happiness.html
>>>
>>> Have fun!
>>His name is Frank Basille.
>I use Brian McRae at www.drumoverdubs.com
and he is cool too....
i"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Definitely did a solid job...cool tune, nice groove
>
>Don
>
>
>"Nei" <oiuOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:462bdb9b$1@linux...
>>
>> Sounds great. Nice tune, nice mix.
>>
>> I like your guitar tone, too - you've got that Larrylee
>> Carltoritenour thing goin' on. Like a 335 through a MkII Boogie
>> sorta-tone.
>>
>> Where's the cowbell, though? I can barely hear it.
>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>Bill L wrote:
>>>> I just want to let you know of a cool service I used recently for drum
>>
>>>> tracks http://www.livestudiodrums.com/
>>>> The same guy that does Smart Loops. He did an excellent job for me.
Very
>>
>>>> tasty. Excellent player. Great sounding kit. Convenient and quick turn
>>
>>>> around. And cheap!
>>>>
>>>> Here is the tune he did for me.
>>>> http://www.billlorentzen.com/html/way_to_happiness.html
>>>>
>>>> Have fun!
>>>His name is Frank Basille.
>>
>
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Bill,
Nice tune and performance. I like the tasty acoustic piano.
Is that your son?
Tom
"John Macy " <nospamjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message =
news:462bec8f$1@linux...
I use Brian McRae at www.drumoverdubs.com
and he is cool too....
i"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Definitely did a solid job...cool tune, nice groove
>
>Don
>
>
>"Nei" <oiuOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:462bdb9b$1@linux...
>>
>> Sounds great. Nice tune, nice mix.
>>
>> I like your guitar tone, too - you've got that Larrylee
>> Carltoritenour thing goin' on. Like a 335 through a MkII Boogie
>> sorta-tone.
>>
>> Where's the cowbell, though? I can barely hear it.
>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>Bill L wrote:
>>>> I just want to let you know of a cool service I used recently for =
drum
>>
>>>> tracks http://www.livestudiodrums.com/
>>>> The same guy that does Smart Loops. He did an excellent job for =
me.
Very
>>
>>>> tasty. Excellent player. Great sounding kit. Convenient and quick =
turn
>>
>>>> around. And cheap!
>>>>
>>>> Here is the tune he did for me.
>>>> http://www.billlorentzen.com/html/way_to_happiness.html
>>>>
>>>> Have fun!
>>>His name is Frank Basille.
>>=20
>
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bill,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nice tune and performance. I like =
the tasty=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Is that your son?</FONT></DIV>
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=
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href=3D"mailto:oiuOIU@OIU.com">oiuOIU@OIU.com</A>> wrote in message =
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guitar=20
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=
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Rob
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