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| Re: Did you know that Paris DID and DOES THAT ?? [message #93248 is a reply to message #93247] |
Sat, 01 December 2007 18:50   |
Dimitrios
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e for him. Maybe he's too cool to buy
>>>>>>>
> the
>
>>>>>>> base version with the hard drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He did like the movie rentals, which I think may be the most important
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> announcement of MacWorld for future impact on Apple's growth. He did
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> like the Time Capsule, which is at least interesting. He hates the
>>>>>>> iPhone and AT&T, so he'll just have to keep complaining about that
>>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> their exclusive relationship ends.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A great read once again from Mr. Palmer...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.jackmyers.com/commentary/shelly-palmer-report/138 65472.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>
>
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Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762I was wondering if anyone might have suggestions as to what the best laptop
on the market is today. I have the rare opportunity to get one, with a "sky
is the limit" budget. To make a long story short, my wife is going to be
laid up for about 6 weeks and requires the use of a laptop to do her work.
Once we started talking, we realized that between the both of us, we could
put it to good use: her for her business use, and me with remote music
possiblities. So we decided to go hog wild and split the cost.
So far, I'm tossing between a HP Pavilion HDX and a Dell XPS M2010.
Primarily, we want a 20" laptop with lots of power (both CPU and memory).
If Apple made a 20" laptop, I'd be all over it, but what can you do.
Any suggestions?That's so 8th grade, lol
Chuck
"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
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>So, the recurring theme is "gay"? lol
>
>Neil
>
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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| Re: Did you know that Paris DID and DOES THAT ?? [message #93261 is a reply to message #93248] |
Sun, 02 December 2007 09:16 |
Neil
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't what I was comparing.
>>> HP and Dell both have minitowers/cubes now, so those would be a more
>>> consistent comparison, if we were
>>> making that comparison, but we aren't.
>>>
>>
>> You said desk top computers under 2K. Now your talking sample library
machines,
>> for pro users. Show us your idea of a sample library machine for under
2K?
>> I bet you can't run Mac software on out of the box with out having to
hack
>> it. You can always argue something.
>>
>>
>>> I had also heard the MacMinis might not be around much longer - fact
or
>>>
>>
>>
>>> rumor?
>>>
>>
>> Rumor are rumors.
>>
>>> Btw - my comments were just an observation, not a slam, or hyperbole,
or
>>> dig - just following up with what Shelly Palmer said, pointing out that
>>>
>> his
>>
>>> comments
>>> make sense to those of us who aren't Mac fanatics, even if he was
>>> technically generalizing,
>>> and he's a self proclaimed Mac fanatic.
>>>
>>
>> Sure seemed like a slam.
>>
>>> It is interesting how such an observation brings such strong reactions
from
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Mac users. Kind of proves my point on
>>> the marketing vs. choice issue: when your customers love you, don't
>>> question anything, and will buy anything you sell,
>>> you can charge whatever you want and limit the customer's options as
well.
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Case in point: Shelly's comment on
>>> AT&T and the iPhone - I'm sure their coverage is fine for most people
(it
>>>
>>
>>
>>> was for us) - but we're on Verizon with no
>>> choice to even use an iPhone, so there's a pretty big missed market for
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Apple - not my problem though, but it is a limited choice situation that
>>>
>>
>>
>>> favors AT&T even if iPhone users don't like AT&T.
>>>
>>
>> It's always an insult to mac users when somebody insinuates that we are
stupid
>> because we gullibly drink the SJ marketing Cool Aid. Apple stuff Rocks,
>> however, not all of it appeals to me and some of it is over priced.
>>
>>> I thought we all agreed choice was a good thing? Was I wrong in that
>>> assumption?
>>>
>>
>> Choice is a good thing. Apple will offer other plans in time. You can
unlock
>> the iPhone and use other carriers now.
>>
>>
>>> I really never intended this to be a Mac/PC debate. It was just my
>>> interpretation of Shelly's comments,
>>> nothing more. Let's leave it there please.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:47910acd$1@linux...
>>>
>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>
&g
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| Re: Did you know that Paris DID and DOES THAT ?? [message #93271 is a reply to message #93248] |
Sun, 02 December 2007 14:24 |
Cujjo
Messages: 325
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t;>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His comparison may not be technically fair on the Air, but he is
right
>>>>>>>
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>>>>> when it comes down to getting the job done, any advantage to Air
vs
>>>>>>>
>> a
>>
>>>>>>> regular laptop fade away pretty quickly, and you are left with a
much
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> smaller drive for a lot more money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously the Air made compromises in order to be thin and light.
This
>>>>>>
>>>>>> will only be a benefit for those to whom thin and light is a compelling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> enough advantage to outweigh (so to speak) any down side. :^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a narrowly aimed product, and I'm not surprised that people outside
>>>>>>
>>>>>> of the target market miss the point. I think he phoned it in because
>>>>>>
>> he
>>
>>>>>> complained about non-Air-specific-issues, blatantly exaggerating to
>>>>>>
>> do
>>
>>>> so,
>>>>
>>>>>> while missing real issues with the Air.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4790ddca$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A good read but not a great analysis. He phoned it in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "I'm walking around with a $4,700 MacBook Pro laptop that could
easily
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> be replaced by $1,500 Windows kit."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If price were the issue, he would have paid a lot less for the MacBook
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pro and added 3rd party RAM at considerable savings. So he blows
his
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> credibility right off the top with that exaggerated comparison.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "It costs $1,799 for the base model. But, set up the way anybody
who
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> needs a computer would have to set it up, it's a $4,000 1.6Ghz,
64GB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> box. The same 4k buys you a mind-blowing Vista box or a smokin'
>>>>>>>> MacBook
>>&
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| Re: Did you know that Paris DID and DOES THAT ?? [message #93281 is a reply to message #93271] |
Sun, 02 December 2007 17:45 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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ndering if anyone might have suggestions as to what the best laptop
>on the market is today. I have the rare opportunity to get one, with a
"sky
>is the limit" budget. To make a long story short, my wife is going to be
>laid up for about 6 weeks and requires the use of a laptop to do her work.
>Once we started talking, we realized that between the both of us, we could
>put it to good use: her for her business use, and me with remote music
>possiblities. So we decided to go hog wild and split the cost.
>
>So far, I'm tossing between a HP Pavilion HDX and a Dell XPS M2010.
>Primarily, we want a 20" laptop with lots of power (both CPU and memory).
>If Apple made a 20" laptop, I'd be all over it, but what can you do.
>
>Any suggestions?
>I'll skip the suggestion to listen to it over and over as I'm not into torture.
I'd choke on someone elses vomit before I'd endure Already Gone for the four
trillionth time. As for gay, do you mean senator at an airport urinal gay?
Chuck
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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>Listen to it over and over like I did. It's gay. I'm going back to greatest
>hits despite the clipping on Already Gones guitar solo.Costco is out delling dell on dells right now :-)
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11210767&am p;whse=BC&topnav=&browse=&lang=en-US&s=1
Chuck
"Stephen Stecyk" <smp@smppro.com> wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone might have suggestions as to what the best laptop
>on the market is today. I have the rare opportunity to get one, with a
"sky
>is the limit" budget. To make a long story short, my wife is going to be
>laid up for about 6 weeks and requires the use of a laptop to do her work.
>Once we started talking, we realized that between the both of us, we could
>put it to good use: her for her business use, and me with remote music
>possiblities. So we decided to go hog wild and split the cost.
>
>So far, I'm tossing between a HP Pavilion HDX and a Dell XPS M2010.
>Primarily, we want a 20" laptop with lots of power (both CPU and memory).
>If Apple made a 20" laptop, I'd be all over it, but what can you do.
>
>Any suggestions?
>Guys,
There's no way the Air is going to bomb. Cost is not a barrier to a DINK
setup with tons of disposable income. You guys are thinking way way way too
techie.
The people that are going to lap this thing up wouldn't even know where to
stick a CAT5 cable. All an apple rep will have to do is walk into a starbuks
and whip out the Air. Shit, they'll be selling the thing with lattes and
a gucci bag before the end of the year, Guaranteed :-)
Chuck
Chuck
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>HI James,
>>I sure wish the next Gen of I-Macs or Mac Minis come with a express slot
>
>>at least. That would make them extremely attractive when it come to
>>expandability.
>>All the Air needs is either an express slot or a firewire slot and it
>>would be damn cool. The way it is now I got a feeling its gonna bomb.
>>
>>Chris
>>
>
>Chris, I'm with you, I think it will bomb, but I think they will sell a
bunch
>at first. It's kind of weird, even psychologically it seems like your not
>getting as much for the money because it's so thin. For the last year the
>Apple TV bombed because it wasn't HD, now it is. Hopefully they will up
>date the MacBook Air sooner than later. I'm glad I didn't pay thousands
>to be at MacWorld, what a disappointment.
>
>>
>>
>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey James,
>>>>
>>>> No, it isn't another "one of those" :-)
>>>>
>>>> Where are their desktops you quoted? I didn't see them in the Apple
>store
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> under "Mac Pro".
>>>> I wasn't talking about Mac minis. They are cool, but limited since
they
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> can't be upgraded with extra ram
>>>> (or so I've been told), and no PCIe slots. Is that true?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No PCI slots, but you were talking home users, now you are talking pro
>users.
>>> You can still do some pro work even on a Mac Mini. The Mac Mini can
>be
>>> up graded to 2GB of RAM, and you can up grade the processor. The iMac
>can
>>> be upgraded to 4GB of RAM, and it comes with a higher quality 20" monitor
>>> that you will find bundled with the typical PC in the same price range.
>
>>> A single Quad core MacPro tower costs $2299.00, and there are discounts
>off
>>> that price.
>>>
>>>> They seem like a potentially nice solution for a sample library farm
>
>>>> machine, but if Ram is limited to 2G, then
>>>> it wouldn't work for what I need. I know other composers that considered
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> the same, but had to pass on them for that
>>>> reason alone.... again, choice... can't upgrade it to fit what you want.
>>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>> specifically said those weren't what I was comparing.
>>>> HP and Dell both have minitowers/cubes now, so
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| Re: Did you know that Paris DID and DOES THAT ?? [message #93283 is a reply to message #93281] |
Sun, 02 December 2007 17:56 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
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much longer - fact
>or
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> rumor?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Rumor are rumors.
>>>
>>>> Btw - my comments were just an observation, not a slam, or hyperbole,
>or
>>>> dig - just following up with what Shelly Palmer said, pointing out that
>>>>
>>> his
>>>
>>>> comments
>>>> make sense to those of us who aren't Mac fanatics, even if he was
>>>> technically generalizing,
>>>> and he's a self proclaimed Mac fanatic.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure seemed like a slam.
>>>
>>>> It is interesting how such an observation brings such strong reactions
>from
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mac users. Kind of proves my point on
>>>> the marketing vs. choice issue: when your customers love you, don't
>
>>>> question anything, and will buy anything you sell,
>>>> you can charge whatever you want and limit the customer's options as
>well.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Case in point: Shelly's comment on
>>>> AT&T and the iPhone - I'm sure their coverage is fine for most people
>(it
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> was for us) - but we're on Verizon with no
>>>> choice to even use an iPhone, so there's a pretty big missed market
for
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Apple - not my problem though, but it is a limited choice situation
that
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> favors AT&T even if iPhone users don't like AT&T.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's always an insult to mac users when somebody insinuates that we are
>stupid
>>> because we gullibly drink the SJ marketing Cool Aid. Apple stuff Rocks,
>>> however, not all of it appeals to me and some of it is over priced.
>>>
>>>> I thought we all agreed choice was a good thing? Was I wrong in that
>
>>>> assumption?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Choice is a good thing. Apple will offer other plans in time. You can
>unlock
>>> the iPhone and use other carriers now.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I really never intended this to be a Mac/PC debate. It was just my
>>>> interpretation of Shelly's comments,
>>>> nothing more. Let's leave it there please.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:47910acd$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was actually just referring to the fact that with every Mac release,
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> there
>>>>>>
>>>>>> are three desktop models,
>>>>>> usually starting at $2k and going up - this round, $2799 is the starting
>>>>>>
>>>>>> price, and only options for dual quad cores,
>>>>>> no range below that for people who don't need "blinding speed" to
write
>>>>>>
>>>>> book
>>>>>
>>>>>> reports ;-).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are 2 laptop model choices, ranging between $1100 and $2800
for
>>>>>>
>>> one
>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>> the six base models. In the PC world
>>>>>> there are choices in each category at pretty much every $100 increment,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> starting at $300 and going up to $10k+. Not that I would buy a $300
>>>>>> desktop, but I still come back to the laptop I'm typing this on, costing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> significantly less than the least expensive Macbook (current) and
only
>>>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>>>> slightly slower cpu (since it's a model from early last year), for
>$400
>>>>>>
>>>>> less
>>>>>
>>>>>> than the comparable Macbook, but otherwise, pretty much identical
(it
>>>>>>
>>> does
>>>
>>>>>> have a partially aluminum case, and feels better than the Macbooks
>I've
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tried).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There has to be a reason Apple only has a minority share of the personal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> computer market... ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wasn't trying to knock Apple, and I'm not attached to my PCs (other
>>>>>>
>>> than
>>>
>>>>>> the significant investment in software that is costly to replace or
>>>>>> crossgrade) - just saying that imho, Shelly's reasoning is based on
>the
>>>>>>
>>>>> fact
>>>>>
>>>>>> that he's enamoured with the chique (sp?) of Apple, rather than just
>
>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what he needs, and that without a mystical, glorious Keynote unveiling
>>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>>> trend setting products, that chique doesn't last long. Imho, that
>chique
>>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>> hurting consumers as it keeps Apple's product prices higher, with
less
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> range
>>>>>>
>>>>>> of price point competition, but for Apple customers, price doesn't
>seem
>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> be a concern. Basically Apple has its' customers right where it wants
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imho, it should be the other way around, and then we would truly have
>>>>>>
>>> more
>>>
>>>>>> choices.
>>>>>>
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| Re: Did you know that Paris DID and DOES THAT ?? [message #93289 is a reply to message #93283] |
Sun, 02 December 2007 23:01 |
Rod Lincoln
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t;
>>> do
>>>
>>>>> so,
>>>>>
>>>>>>> while missing real issues with the Air.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4790ddca$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A good read but not a great analysis. He phoned it in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "I'm walking around with a $4,700 MacBook Pro laptop that could
>easily
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> be replaced by $1,500 Windows kit."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If price were the issue, he would have paid a lot less for the
MacBook
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pro and added 3rd party RAM at considerable savings. So he blows
>his
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> credibility right off the top with that exaggerated comparison.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "It costs $1,799 for the base model. But, set up the way anybody
>who
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> needs a computer would have to set it up, it's a $4,000 1.6Ghz,
>64GB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> box. The same 4k buys you a mind-blowing Vista box or a smokin'
>
>>>>>>>>> MacBook
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pro."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hypberbole. He's blaming Apple for the cost of a solid state drive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> This
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> makes no sense. Notice that the price he complains about is the
>price
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WITH the flash drive option. Yet Apple actually charges less than
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> street
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> price to add that drive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If price is the issue, it's too soon to buy a 54GB solid state
drive
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> on
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ANY laptop, not just Apple's. Also, he adds the SSD to the MacBook
>>>>>>>>>
>>> Air
>>>
>>>>>>>>> and then compares that configuration to laptops without an SSD.
>If
>>>>>>>>> that's the comparison, then he should compare the $1700 non-SSD
>
>>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of the Air to the other subnotebooks. And at that point he has
little
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He could have complained about the lack of firewire or groused
about
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> need for an adapter to use ethernet, but he didn't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The movie studios like this, I like it! However, Wall Street didn't
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> seem to like it at all. Apple shares were down $9.74 to $169.04
>the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> day
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> after Steve's speech."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The article I linked the other day showed that Apple shares usually
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> go
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> down after the keynote. Also, the entire market took a hit on
>>>>>>>>> Wednesday
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for issues not directly related to a speech by Steve Jobs. :^)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "I really wanted to see something really great and useful from
Apple
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this week. On the top of my wishlist was a true sub-notebook.
>>>>>>>>> Something
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I could throw in a portfolio or briefcase for short hops."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since he's not complaining about a lack of ports, I don't know
why
>>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Air doesn't fulfill that role for him. Maybe he's too cool to buy
>>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>>>> base version with the hard drive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He did like the movie rentals, which I think may be the most important
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> announcement of MacWorld for future impact on Apple's growth. He
>did
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> like the Time Capsule, which is at least interesting. He hates
the
>>>>>>>>> iPhone and AT&T, so he'll just have to keep complaining about that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> their exclusive relationship ends.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Neil wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A great read once again from Mr. Palmer...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jackmyers.com/commentary/shelly-palmer-report/138 65472.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:
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