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mike audet[3]
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Chris
Bill L wrote:
> One more datum. When I try to open the windows folder, it tells me the
> disk is not formatted. All the other folders are openable.
>
> Bill L wrote:
>> Anyone know how I can open the windows folder on a boot disk that I am
>> not booted from?
>>
>> I got a corrupted
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| Re: *******DP/4 Hall Released******* [message #97764 is a reply to message #97763] |
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Tom Bruhl
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o projects, we all know that one or two little pieces of data
saying bye-bye, you number one will go diectly to file 13.
Here's a little more info on the malf you have:
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_haldll_missing.htm
W. Mark Wilson
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:488118f0$1@linux...
> HI Bill,
>
> Get your Windows XP install disk and let the machine boot to it like your
> doing a fresh install.
> When it gets to the point that it is looking for drives and previous
> windows installs and see if it detects a windows folder.
> If not then shut down the machine and unplug any other hard drives in the
> system. Reboot the system and let it boot tot he windows disk.
> When you see the option to Press R to enter recover console see if it lets
> you and finds a windows install on that drive to log into.
> If not the then you will need to use some sort of drive recovery software
> or send it to a data recovery company.
> If the drive is still spinning up and is being seen in the BIOS then it
> would seem like you MBR or partition table info got messed up some how.
> Viruses, bad sectors etc can cause this.
> If the data on the drive isn't critical then you should just go buy a new
> drive and reinstall windows.
> You could try some tricks to to fix the MBR and partition info.
> If there is mission critical info on the drive don't bother just send it
> to a recovery place.
>
> If you go a buy a new drive you can always just use the the most recent
> backup you have of the OS drive.
> You do have a recent backup of your OS drive don't you ? :)
>
> If not then I would highly recommend getting in the habit!!
> www.paragon-software.com
>
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> Bill L wrote:
>> One more datum. When I try to open the windows folder, it tells me the
>> disk is not formatted. All the other folders are openable.
>>
>> Bill L wrote:
>>> Anyone know how I can open the windows folder on a boot disk that I am
>>> not booted from?
>>>
>>> I got a corrupted hal.dll and need to fix it somehow. 5 hours and I'm
>>> still nowhere. Oy!
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.comOn Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:39:18 -0700, Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com>
wrote:
>Mike Audet wrote:
>> Comments? Thoughts?
>Yes!!!
Me,. too.
pabIf his HAL.DLL is missing or corrupted, he's more screwed than to just go to
safe mode, unfortunately. Ludwig and Wilson have it pretty well covered
IMO - in fact, I'd recommend you guys to take notes on this so when it
happens to you, you can have some info handy to try immediately. Print it,
put it in a file unless you have another computer with access.
AA
"erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote in message news:488105f7@linux...
> Have you tried F8 when starting up from Dos to Win mode, where you can get
> a menu with choices if there's problems?
> If you have the original WinXP CD, you can also use the CD to install,
> where you get choices to just repair problems in an old installation.
>
> Erling
>
> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:48810038$1@linux...
>> Anyone know how I can open the windows folder on a boot disk that I am
>> not booted from?
>>
>> I got a corrupted hal.dll and need to fix it somehow. 5 hours and I'm
>> still nowhere. Oy!
>
>I should add here guys that the purpose for installing the suspect drive on
another machine as a non-bootable is so that the suspect drive may be
examined for recovery without write ops anywhere on the drive until you
choose to perform them.
During any recovery op, try least invasive measures first... it takes
t....i....m....e. For example, don't run any "disc repair" or MBR fixes or
virus detection/removal. Let the recovery software do it's thing. It may
want to read the drive for a day. Then get tough if it seems worth the
risks.
W. Mark Wilson
"W. Mark Wilson" <xpam_mark@avidrecording> wrote in message
news:488123b6@linux...
> CL is spot on here however, I recommend going the recovery route first.
> Each time you boot to that drive (even if to CD with that drive as primary
> HD), that drive gets some read/write action. Remove the suspect HD and
> install it in as anything other than C or Boot drive in another machine.
> Ontrack makes a great recovery package. I've successfully lifted
> everything off a fully re-formatted drive using Easy Recovery
> Professional. If ERP can't find anything, move directly to CL's final
> step. Data recovery company will want a minimum of bucks with no
> guarantee of *any* recovery and with audio projects, we all know that one
> or two little pieces of data saying bye-bye, you number one will go
> diectly to file 13.
>
> Here's a little more info on the malf you have:
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_haldll_missing.htm
>
> W. Mark Wilson
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <c
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| Re: *******DP/4 Hall Released******* [message #97778 is a reply to message #97775] |
Sat, 05 April 2008 12:22 |
Tom Bruhl
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but the end result is that Iım fairly confident in that
>>>number as a ³hard floor² the loss of a few users in the intervening
months
>>>would be counterbalanced by the certainty of undercount.
>>>
>>>Iıll finish with a general observation - ³what we were² or ³what we might
>>>once have been² has some minor academic/historical interest to me, but
>as
>>a
>>>"minority case" - a returning user after years of absence - I naturally
>>come
>>>to it from the perspective of ³where we are right now². Iım not interested
>>>in ³might have beens² any more - Iım interested in what we might achieve
>>>starting from here and going forward.
>>>
>>>So while it's true we were larger long ago, a hard floor of 125 real users
>>>is a good strong number, an excellent number, for aficionado-driven efforts
>>>for a discontinued niche market DAW to go forward with. Itıs much larger
>>>than some aficionado groups for other pieces of discontinued technology,
>>and
>>>some of those smaller groups have got quite a lot of very meaningful work
>>>done. And 400 users worldwide may not be Nuendo numbers but for small
>>>developers itıs nothing to sneeze at.
>>>
>>>Hope this is of interest!
>>>
>>>- Kerry
>>>
>>
>all adats are used by 3 digimax fs's. grrHey everybody,
My name is Perrin.
I still check in from time to time.
Been using PARIS since '98.
Love the sound...glad to see the gang is still cooking up new ideas.
Many Thanks!
in article 4882498a$1@linux, Ron Bloom at concerts4u@prodigy.net wrote on
7/19/08 3:07 PM:
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> My name is Ron and this is my first post, but have had the system since 1999.
> Please add me to your number and I am thrilled to find an active site for
> Paris. I have spent about 4 hours today trying to learn more. My brain has
> forgotten much since I just dusted my system off after a few years of not
> being set up.
>
> Hey anyone know of any body in the Denver Colorado area that is a user?
>
> Thanks guys for the help in advance.
> ron
> "Kim W." <no@way.com> wrote:
>>
>> Spot on, Rod.
>> I know two guys that have never posted.
>> Hell, I built and configured their host comps for them.
>> One is a friend who is happily using my "spare parts",
>> (a mec with 8-in, a c-16 and two EDS's) as a stand alone system.
>> I also know *of* several other users, but not personally.
>> They're out there...
>> Kim
>>
>>
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, it could be a litle bigger. I know of two Paris users I'm in regular
>>> contact with, that to my knowledge, have never posted on this sight. So
>> I'm
>>> thinking there might be a few more of us that post here that might have
>> similar
>>> contacts that just don't post. Probably not a large number, but then again,
>>> maybe more than you might think. For example, if ther are 400 users world
>>> wide, and 100 of them have 2 people they know of (like me) that have never
>>> posted, that's 200 more users right there.
>>> Or not, I don't know. just thinking.
>>> Rod
>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi folks. Hereıs one of a series of updates/info posts (and - brace
>>>> yourselves - some action requests) which Iıll be putting in separate posts.
>>>>
>>>> Iıve been working on some basic infrastructure that I reckon we need to
>>>> support any forward motion. Blog/wiki/networking/development rig are
>>>> certainly part of that infrastructure but we also had a serious need for
>>>> hard info - things like current community size and composition etc. If
>> we
>>>> want to tell outside developers who we are as a community, we better know
>>>> who we are first, and I had the suspicion that my "spitball" guesstimates
>>>> weren't doing us much justice.
>>>>
>>>> Now, Iım not trained in data collection and analysis but I do fine at
>>>> research and detective work, and what I lack in skills I cheerfully
>>>> supplement with grunt work. I wanted to share one of the results of that
>>>> basic research with you all.
>>>>
>>>> Iıve seen the question ³how big is the PARIS community?² asked several
>> times
>>>> before. As far as I know we never got a definitive answer. We've now got
>>> a
>>>> fairly firm "floor" for the size of the current PARIS user community.
> It
>>>> stands at an eye-opening (at least to me) 125 current users - and rising,
>>> so
>>>> if anything thatıs an undercount. Mike Audet and I have independently
> come
>>>> to an estimate of the user community worldwide (including PARIS users
> who
>>>> don't come to the NG) as being in the vicinity of a healthy 400 current
>>>> users.
>>>>
>>>> Surprised? Not bad for eight years after discontinuation!
>>>>
>>>> Iıll be clear - this is not derived from the number of NG posters - itıs
>>>> derived from a fairly accurate hand count of the number of currently active
>>>> PARIS *users* that Iıve identified on the NG over the last ten months,
>> and
>>>> is distinct from the size of the NG community itself. We needed that info
>>>> broken out separately because while some
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| Re: *******DP/4 Hall Released******* [message #97783 is a reply to message #97778] |
Sat, 05 April 2008 13:04 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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;>>derived from a fairly accurate hand count of the number of currently
>>>>active
>>>>PARIS *users* that Iıve identified on the NG over the last ten months,
>>and
>>>>is distinct from the size of the NG community itself. We needed that
>>>>info
>>>>broken out separately because while some developments (say the ability
>>to
>>>>open PARIS .ppjs without a PARIS rig) might indeed be of interest to
>>>>ex-PARIS users too (who might still retain archives in .ppj format),
>>>>other
>>>>developments (say drivers) would really only be of interest to those who
>>>>still have and use PARIS hardware.
>>>>
>>>>To gather those numbers I ruled out the past approach of polls and
>>>>censuses;
>>>>theyıre useful for getting a ³general sense of the community² but
>>>>theyıre
>>>>unreliable. I simply scanned through the NG posts going back an
>>>>arbitrary
>>>>length of time (10 months) and noted every poster I could in that recent
>>>>timespan who indicated that theyıre current users (self-identification,
>>>>posting PARIS-specific tech support questions, specific error code
>>>>questions, etc). I put the info in a database to sort it in different
> ways
>>>>so I could pretty confidently eliminate duplicates. It was a bit
>>>>labour-intensive but the end result is that Iım fairly confident in that
>>>>number as a ³hard floor² the loss of a few users in the intervening
> months
>>>>would be counterbalanced by the certainty of undercount.
>>>>
>>>>Iıll finish with a general observation - ³what we were² or ³what we
>>>>might
>>>>once have been² has some minor academic/historical interest to me, but
>>as
>>>a
>>>>"minority case" - a returning user after years of absence - I naturally
>>>come
>>>>to it from the perspective of ³where we are right now². Iım not
>>>>interested
>>>>in ³might have beens² any more - Iım interested in what we might achieve
>>>>starting from here and going forward.
>>>>
>>>>So while it's true we were larger long ago, a hard floor of 125 real
>>>>users
>>>>is a good strong number, an excellent number, for aficionado-driven
>>>>efforts
>>>>for a discontinued niche market DAW to go forward with. Itıs much larger
>>>>than some aficionado groups for other pieces of discontinued technology,
>>>and
>>>>some of those smaller groups have got quite a lot of very meaningful
>>>>work
>>>>done. And 400 users worldwide may not be Nuendo numbers but for small
>>>>developers itıs nothing to sneeze at.
>>>>
>>>>Hope this is of interest!
>>>>
>>>>- Kerry
>>>>
>>>
>>
>I went and checked out XXcopy and noticed there was also XXclone. Which would
be better and why. thanks Jim"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>There are quite a few still. John Macy, Jamie K. Deej is close.
>AA
>
>
>"Ron Bloom" <concerts4u@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>news:4882498a$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> My name is Ron and this is my first post, but have had the system since
>> 1999.
>> Please add me to your number and I am thrilled to find an active site
for
>> Paris. I have spent about 4 hours today trying to learn more. My brain
has
>> forgotten much since I just dusted my system off after a few years of
not
>> being set up.
>>
>> Hey anyone know of any body in the Denver Colorado area that is a user?
>>
>> Thanks guys for the help in advance.
>> ron
>> "Kim W." <no@way.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Spot on, Rod.
>>>I know two guys that have never posted.
>>>Hell, I built and configured their host comps for them.
>>>One is a friend who is happily using my "spare parts",
>>>(a mec with 8-in, a c-16 and two EDS's) as a stand alone system.
>>>I also know *of* several other users, but not personally.
>>>They're out there...
>>>Kim
>>>
>>>
>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, it could be a litle bigger. I know of two Paris users I'm in
>>>>regular
>>>>contact with, that to my knowledge, have never posted on this sight.
So
>>>I'm
>>>>thinking there might be a few more of us that post here that might have
>>>similar
>>>>contacts that just don't post. Probably not a large number, but then
>>>>again,
>>>>maybe more than you might think. For example, if ther are 400 users world
>>>>wide, and 100 of them have 2 people they know of (like me) that have
>>>>never
>>>>posted, that's 200 more users right there.
>>>>Or not, I don't know. just thinking.
>>>>Rod
>>>>Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>Hi folks. Hereıs one of a series of updates/info posts (and - brace
>>>>>yourselves - some action requests) which Iıll be putting in separate
>>>>>posts.
>>>>>
>>>>>Iıve been working on some basic infrastructure that I reckon we need
to
>>>>>support any forward motion. Blog/wiki/networking/development rig are
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| Re: *******DP/4 Hall Released******* [message #97784 is a reply to message #97783] |
Sat, 05 April 2008 13:12 |
mike audet[1]
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>>>>>certainly part of that infrastructure but we also had a serious need
for
>>>>>hard info - things like current community size and composition etc.
If
>>>we
>>>>>want to tell outside developers who we are as a community, we better
>>>>>know
>>>>>who we are first, and I had the suspicion that my "spitball"
>>>>>guesstimates
>>>>>weren't doing us much justice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, Iım not trained in data collection and analysis but I do fine at
>>>>>research and detective work, and what I lack in skills I cheerfully
>>>>>supplement with grunt work. I wanted to share one of the results of
that
>>>>>basic research with you all.
>>>>>
>>>>>Iıve seen the question ³how big is the PARIS community?² asked several
>>>times
>>>>>before. As far as I know we never got a definitive answer. We've now
got
>>>>a
>>>>>fairly firm "floor" for the size of the current PARIS user community.
>> It
>>>>>stands at an eye-opening (at least to me) 125 current users - and
>>>>>rising,
>>>>so
>>>>>if anything thatıs an undercount. Mike Audet and I have independently
>> come
>>>>>to an estimate of the user community worldwide (including PARIS users
>> who
>>>>>don't come to the NG) as being in the vicinity of a healthy 400 current
>>>>>users.
>>>>>
>>>>>Surprised? Not bad for eight years after discontinuation!
>>>>>
>>>>>Iıll be clear - this is not derived from the number of NG posters -
itıs
>>>>>derived from a fairly accurate hand count of the number of currently
>>>>>active
>>>>>PARIS *users* that Iıve identified on the NG over the last ten months,
>>>and
>>>>>is distinct from the size of the NG community itself. We needed that
>>>>>info
>>>>>broken out separately because while some developments (say the ability
>>>to
>>>>>open PARIS .ppjs without a PARIS rig) might indeed be of interest to
>>>>>ex-PARIS users too (who might still retain archives in .ppj format),
>>>>>other
>>>>>developments (say drivers) would really only be of interest to those
who
>>>>>still have and use PARIS hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>>To gather those numbers I ruled out the past approach of polls and
>>>>>censuses;
>>>>>theyıre useful for getting a ³general sense of the community² but
>>>>>theyıre
>>>>>unreliable. I simply scanned through the NG posts going back an
>>>>>arbitrary
>>>>>length of time (10 months) and noted every poster I could in that recent
>>>>>timespan who indicated that theyıre current users (self-identification,
>>>>>posting PARIS-specific tech support questions, specific error code
>>>>>questions, etc). I put the info in a database to sort it in different
>> ways
>>>>>so I could pretty confidently eliminate duplicates. It was a bit
>>>>>labour-intensive but the end result is that Iım fairly confident in
that
>>>>>number as a ³hard floor² the loss of a few users in the intervening
>> months
>>>>>would be counterbalanced by the certainty of undercount.
>>>>>
>>>>>Iıll finish with a general observation - ³what we were² or ³what we
>>>>>might
>>>>>once have been² has some minor academic/historical interest to me, but
>>>as
>>>>a
>>>>>"minority case" - a returning user after years of absence - I naturally
>>>>come
>>>>>to it from the perspective of ³where we are right now². Iım not
>>>>>interested
>>>>>in ³might have beens² any more - Iım interested in what we might achieve
>>>>>starting from here and going forward.
>>>>>
>>>>>So while it's true we were larger long ago, a hard floor of 125 real
>>>>>users
>>>>>is a good strong number, an excellent number, for aficionado-driven
>>>>>efforts
>>>>>for a discontinued niche market DAW to go forward with. Itıs much larger
>>>>>than some aficionado groups for other pieces of discontinued technology,
>>>>and
>>>>>some of those smaller groups have got quite a lot of very meaningful
>>>>>work
>>>>>done. And 400 users worldwide may not be Nuendo numbers but for small
>>>>>developers itıs nothing to sneeze at.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hope this is of interest!
>>>>>
>>>>>- Kerry
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Have used paris since 2000.
I don't mind the limitations because the sound
is excellent.
Eugene
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>There are quite a few still. John Macy, Jamie K. Deej is close.
>AA
>
>
>"Ron Bloom" <concerts4u@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>news:4882498a$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> My name is Ron and this is my first post, but have had the system since
>> 1999.
>> Please add me to your number and I am thrilled to find an active site
for
>> Paris. I have spent about 4 hours today trying to learn more. My brain
has
>> forgotten much since I just dusted my system off after a few years of
not
>> being set up.
>>
>> Hey anyone know of any body in the Denver Colorado area that is a user?
>>
>> Thanks guys for the help in advance.
>> ron
>> "Kim W." <no@way.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Spot on, Rod.
>>>I know two guys that have never posted.
>>>Hell, I built and configured their host comps for them.
>>>One is a friend who is happily using my "spare parts",
>>>(a mec with 8-in, a c-16 and two EDS's) as a stand alone system.
>>>I also know *of* several other users, but not personally.
>>>They're out there...
>>>Kim
>>>
>>>
>>>"Rod Lincoln&quo
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| Re: *******DP/4 Hall Released******* [message #97798 is a reply to message #97784] |
Sun, 06 April 2008 10:05 |
Cujjo
Messages: 325
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recover options are the best I've seen for a backup
program. They even are working on a version to be fully functional with
OSX and boot camp setups. Very cool.
www.paragon-software.com
Chris
jim drago wrote:
> I went and checked out XXcopy and noticed there was also XXclone. Which would
> be better and why. thanks Jim
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>what's the easiest way to get my tonlab le toslink SPDIF output into the
rme
>9652 9 pin D conneector SPDIF input ?
>
>I have the D to stereo phono/D adapter so I guess I need to go from SPDIF
>toslink to 2 phono connectors. Is there an SPDIF Toslink to stereo phono
>converter for a few bucks ?
for 24 bit capability, use the MAudio C02 - I have two of these. They work
greatsix of us still using it in Sydney Australia and every week there is PARIS
recorded country hit in the Country Top 30.
>
>Still using Paris in Eugene, OR...frequently lurking, would post more often
>if I'd followed momma's advice and taken typing in school
>
>Dale "Hunt & Peck" Bradley
>
>
>"John Macy" <nospamjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote:
>>
>>Still running Paris in a pro facility here in Denver--two systems on top
>of
>>that :)
>>
>>
>>"James phillips" <jmp@ncounty.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>cont me in
>>>
>>>
>>
>Hey Ron - nice to have you aboard! I'll add you to The List.
I've started a couple of sites, containing both info gleaned from previous
FAQ sites and new material, to collect, edit and update PARIS lore:
PARIS blog: http://ensoniqparis.blogspot.com/
PARIS Wiki: http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=HomeP age
They're sparse right now. That's partly because I've been consumed with
projects lately, but in larger part because I don't have a PARIS rig right
now to verify tips/techniques/terminology/bugs etc (I don't want to put too
much flaky "relying on memory and notes" info up there). I don't expect
either site will fully hit their stride until I set my PARIS studio up in
January '09, but the rig is coming within days and then I hope to buckle
down with an update or two. But feel free to throw in what you like at the
Wiki, it's totally user-modifiable.
- Kerry
On 7/19/08 1:07 PM, in article 4882498a$1@linux, "Ron Bloom"
<concerts4u@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> My name is Ron and this is my first post, but have had the system since 1999.
> Please add me to your number and I am thrilled to find an active site for
> Paris. I have spent about 4 hours today trying to learn more. My brain has
> forgotten much since I just dusted my system off after a few years of not
> being set up.
>
> Hey anyone know of any body in the Denver Colorado area that is a user?
>
> Thanks guys for the help in advance.
> ron
> "Kim W." <no@way.com> wrote:
>>
>> Spot on, Rod.
>> I know two guys that have never posted.
>> Hell, I built and configured their host comps for them.
>> One is a friend who is happily using my "spare parts",
>> (a mec with 8-in, a c-16 and two EDS's) as a stand alone system.
>> I also know *of* several other users, but not personally.
>> They're out there...
>> Kim
>>
>>
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, it could be a litle bigger. I know of two Paris users I'm in regular
>>> contact with, that to my knowledge, have never posted on this sight. So
>> I'm
>>> thinking there might be a few more of us that post here that might have
>> similar
>>> contacts that just don't post. Probably not a large number, but then again,
>>> maybe more than you might think. For example, if ther are 400 users world
>>> wide, and 100 of them have 2 people they know of (like me) that have never
>>> posted, that's 200 more users right there.
>>> Or not, I don't know. just thinking.
>>> Rod
>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi folks. Hereıs one of a series of updates/info posts (and - brace
>>>> yourselves - some action requests) which Iıll be putting in separate posts.
>>>>
>>>> Iıve been working on some basic infrastructure that I reckon we need to
>>>> support any forward motion. Blog/wiki/networking/development rig are
>>>> certainly part of that infrastructure but we also had a serious need for
>>>> hard info - things like current community size and composition etc. If
>> we
>>>> want to tell outside developers who we are as a community, we better know
>>>> who we are first, and I had the suspicion that my "spitball" guesstimates
>>>> weren't doing us much justice.
>>>>
>>>> Now, Iım not trained in data collection and analysis but I do fine at
>>>> research and detective work, and what I lack in skills I cheerfully
>>>> supplement with grunt work. I wanted to share one of the results of that
>>>> basic research with you all.
>>>>
>>>> Iıve seen the question ³how big is the PARIS community?² asked several
>> times
>>>> before. As far as I know we never got a definitive answer. We've now got
>>> a
>>>> fairly firm "floor" for the size of the current PARIS user community.
> It
>>>> stands at an eye-opening (at least to me) 125 current users - and rising,
>>> so
>>>> if anything thatıs an undercount. Mike Audet and I have independently
> come
>>>> to an estimate of the user community worldwide (including PARIS users
> who
>>>> don't come to the NG) as being in the vicinity of a healthy 400 current
>>>> users.
>>>>
>>>> Surprised? Not bad for eight years after discontinuation!
>>>>
>>>> Iıll be clear - this is not derived from the number of NG posters - itıs
>>>> derived from a fairly accurate hand count of the number of currently active
>>>> PARIS *users* that Iıve identified on the NG over the last ten months,
>> and
>>>> is distinct from the size of the NG community itself. We needed that info
>>>> broken out separately because while some developments (say the ability
>> to
>>>> open PARIS .ppjs without a PARIS rig) might indee
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d be of interest to
>>>> ex-PARIS users too (who might still retain archives in .ppj format), other
>>>> developments (say drivers) would really only be of interest to those who
>>>> still have and use PARIS hardware.
>>>>
>>>> To gather those numbers I ruled out the past approach of polls and
>>>> censuses;
>>>> theyıre useful for getting a ³general sense of the community² but theyıre
>>>> unreliable. I simply scanned through the NG posts going back an arbitrary
>>>> length of time (10 months) and noted every poster I could in that recent
>>>> timespan who indicated that theyıre current users (self-identification,
>>>> posting PARIS-specific tech support questions, specific error code
>>>> questions, etc). I put the info in a database to sort it in different
> ways
>>>> so I could pretty confidently eliminate duplicates. It was a bit
>>>> labour-intensive but the end result is that Iım fairly confident in that
>>>> number as a ³hard floor² the loss of a few users in the intervening
> months
>>>> would be counterbalanced by the certainty of undercount.
>>>>
>>>> Iıll finish with a general observation - ³what we were² or ³what we might
>>>> once have been² has some minor academic/historical interest to me, but
>> as
>>> a
>>>> "minority case" - a returning user after years of absence - I naturally
>>> come
>>>> to it from the perspective of ³where we are right now². Iım not interested
>>>> in ³might have beens² any more - Iım interested in what we might achieve
>>>> starting from here and going forward.
>>>>
>>>> So while it's true we were larger long ago, a hard floor of 125 real users
>>>> is a good strong number, an excellent number, for aficionado-driven efforts
>>>> for a discontinued niche market DAW to go forward with. Itıs much larger
>>>> than some aficionado groups for other pieces of discontinued technology,
>>> and
>>>> some of those smaller groups have got quite a lot of very meaningful work
>>>> done. And 400 users worldwide may not be Nuendo numbers but for small
>>>> developers itıs nothing to sneeze at.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this is of interest!
>>>>
>>>> - Kerry
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Also El Miguel, plus Dedric is down the road in C. Springs. I gave mine
up due to lack of integrated MIDI/soft synth functionality but it worked
well for recording/editing audio. John has the most extensive PARIS
setup I know of in the Denver area.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Aaron Allen wrote:
> There are quite a few still. John Macy, Jamie K. Deej is close.
> AA
>
>
> "Ron Bloom" <concerts4u@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:4882498a$1@linux...
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> My name is Ron and this is my first post, but have had the system since
>> 1999.
>> Please add me to your number and I am thrilled to find an active site for
>> Paris. I have spent about 4 hours today trying to learn more. My brain has
>> forgotten much since I just dusted my system off after a few years of not
>> being set up.
>>
>> Hey anyone know of any body in the Denver Colorado area that is a user?
>>
>> Thanks guys for the help in advance.
>> ron
>> "Kim W." <no@way.com> wrote:
>>> Spot on, Rod.
>>> I know two guys that have never posted.
>>> Hell, I built and configured their host comps for them.
>>> One is a friend who is happily using my "spare parts",
>>> (a mec with 8-in, a c-16 and two EDS's) as a stand alone system.
>>> I also know *of* several other users, but not personally.
>>> They're out there...
>>> Kim
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> Yeah, it could be a litle bigger. I know of two Paris users I'm in
>>>> regular
>>>> contact with, that to my knowledge, have never posted on this sight. So
>>> I'm
>>>> thinking there might be a few more of us that post here that might have
>>> similar
>>>> contacts that just don't post. Probably not a large number, but then
>>>> again,
>>>> maybe more than you might think. For example, if ther are 400 users world
>>>> wide, and 100 of them have 2 people they know of (like me) that have
>>>> never
>>>> posted, that's 200 more users right there.
>>>> Or not, I don't know. just thinking.
>>>> Rod
>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi folks. Hereıs one of a series of updates/info posts (and - brace
>>>>> yourselves - some action requests) which Iıll be putting in separate
>>>>> posts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Iıve been working on some basic infrastructure that I reckon we need to
>>>>> support any forward motion. Blog/wiki/networking/development rig are
>>>>> certainly part of that infrastructure but we also had a serious need for
>>>>> hard info - things like current community size and composition etc. If
>>> we
>>>>> want to tell outside developers who we are as a community, we better
>>>>> know
>>>>> who we are first, and I had the suspicion that my "spitball"
>>>>> guesstimates
>>>>> weren't doing us much justice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, Iım not trained in data collection and analysis but I do fine at
>>>>> research and detective work, and what I lack in skills I cheerfully
>>>>> supplement with grunt work. I wanted to share one of the results of that
>>>>> basic research with you all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Iıve seen the question ³how big is the PARIS community?² asked several
>>> times
>>>>> before. As far as I know we never got a definitive answer. We've now got
>>>> a
>>>>> fairly firm "floor" for the size of the current PARIS user community.
>> It
>>>>> stands at an eye-opening (at least to me) 125 current users - and
>>>>> rising,
>>>> so
>>>>> if anything thatıs an undercount. Mike Audet and I have independently
>> come
>>>>> to an estimate of the user community worldwide (including PARIS users
>> who
>>>>> don't come to the NG) as being in the vicinity of a healthy 400 current
>>>>> users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Surprised? Not bad for eight years after discontinuation!
>>>>>
>>>>> Iıll be clear - this is not derived from the number of NG posters - itıs
>>>>> derived from a fairly accurate hand count of the number of currently
>>>>> active
>>>>> PARIS *users* that Iıve identified on the NG over the last ten months,
>>> and
>>>>> is distinct from the size of the NG community itself. We needed that
>>>>> info
>>>>> broken out separately because while some developments (say the ability
>>> to
>>>>> open PARIS .ppjs without a PARIS rig) might indeed be of interest to
>>>>> ex-PARIS users too (who might still retain archives in .ppj format),
>>>>> other
>>>>> developments (say drivers) would really only be of interest to those who
>>>>> still have and use PARIS hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>> To gather those numbers I ruled out the past approach of polls and
>>>>> cen
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