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Re: Bye Paris [message #66603 is a reply to message #66599] Wed, 12 April 2006 06:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Ludwig is currently offline  Chris Ludwig   UNITED STATES
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t;>>>>>When I was first using Me for some months and then switched to XP I

>>>>>>remember
>>>>>>that the sound was different to my ears but I said to myself well,
yor
>>>>ears
>>>>>>must be wrong...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now that makes me wonder if many things act differently under XP!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I made some heavy tests here...
>>>>>>>Paris eds effects react different (sound different) under Me than
in
>>>XP.
>>>>>>>Now that is most interesting.
>>>>>>>I checked with a B3 file and Big Eq from Paris.
>>>>>>>Turning all the way up to 20 under Me gave a fat distorted sound.
>>>>>>>XP !
>>>>>>>Overall Me (well Paris under Me) sounds fatter and distorts more
>>>>>>>easily...
>>>>>>>Please if you have a second bay disk with me and Xp try a file to
hear
>>>>>what
>>>>>>>you get ...
>>>>>>>I am very very curious and shocked...
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Thanks DJ and everyone else who resonded.
I'll let you know how it works out.

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I've got the blankets outfitted with grommets. I have those wire shower
>curtain hoops looped through the grommets and I've got wooden dowels
>mounted on brackets at strategic points, some double mounted to create an
>air space.
>
>"Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote in message news:4458bc8f$1@linux...
>>
>> Thanks everyone for the replies.
>>
>> DJ, I'm looking to cut the high flutter and mids.
>> Sounds like the ticket. What do you use to hang them?
>> Since this is my living room, I need to be able to put them up and take
>them
>> down easily.
>> Paul
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >O'yeah.....I forgot to add that what I do when treating a toom with these
>> >is, wherever possible, to hang two at a time with an air space between
>them.
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> >news:4458a889$1@linux...
>> >> I have quite a few of these that I use for exactly this kind of thing.
>> >They
>> >> won't work for LF stuff, but they definitely will absorb the HF/HMF
>> >> reflections..
>> >>
>> >> "Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote in message news:4458968f$1@linux...
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a somewhat large great room in my house and I'm looking to
cut
>> >down
>> >> > on reflections when I record drums in there. Would something like
>these
>> >> > absorb enough sound/reflections to be useful? Any other
>> >recommendations?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/FURNITURE-WAREHOUSE-STORAGE-MOVING-BLANK ET-PAD_W0QQitem
>Z
>> >> 7410260313QQcategoryZ63591QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI tem
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>Sound like the level is hotter on the XP file. This might be reaching a bit,
but have you verified that the levels (pro/semi pro) on the MEC module are
set the same between the two. I know that they are saved with the project,
but could XP somehow be loosing the setting? Have you tried toggling it back
and forth just to see?



"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>
>
>Here is the second wave mono file for Me.
>Please read previous post tounderstand.
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>
>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>Me neither, I'd go as far as to say...not possible.
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:44598399$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I don't understand how the OS could make a difference at all
>>> with regard to the sound an application produces.
>>>
>>> Not calling you a liar, but I sure would like you to elaborate
>>> or provide some kind of basis for your statements if you can.
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Thats right !
>>>>We are talking here about the Paris graphic eq.
>>>>I would like anyone's input here.
>>>>I have made the test almost ten times !
>>>>Changing the cad disk bay from XP to Me and loading the same project
on
>>> both...
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>
>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Just to be clear. there is the Paris eds eq, Paris vst emulation of
the
>>>>eds
>>>>>eq (by Matt Craig), Freak Q, and Barb-A-Q. Which of those are you talking
>>>>>about?
>>>>>Rod
>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What's Paris "Big" EQ?
>>>>>>I think I remember checking this when I switched to xp and the files
>
>>>>>>nulled
>>>>>>(I'm pretty anal about this stuff)but it's been so long I can't say
>for
>>>>>sure.
>>>>>>The memory starts going. If I get some time I will check it again.
>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In order not to confuse anyone here is my exact test.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On a four card Paris system I loaded a B3 tune for 3-4 seconds playing
>>>>>in
>>>>>>>aloop on a Paris audio track.
>>>>>>>I pushed the level up to 10and had submix -8.1
>>>>>>>I was monitoring via monitor outputs and had the monitor level -12.
>>>>>>>No on Paris BigEqI had thsi filter highpass at 260Hz and lowpass at
>
>>>>>>>5247,
>>>>>>>trimmer AT FULL 20 !!
>>>>>>>This makes all the diffrence now beetween Me and XP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Under XP even at +20 the sound becomes nowhere as distorted (well
bad
>>>>distortion)
>>>>>>>and the volume stays overall the same as with the BigEq OFF.
>>>>>>>The trimmer works because lowering it the volume lowers itself too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now on Me with closed EQ we have the same sound (is it ?) but when
>eq
>>>>is
>>>>>>>engaged with that full +20 there is sever distortion and loudness
and
>>>>fatness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Go figure...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Can please someone with both XP and Me partitions check this please
>?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When I was first using Me for some months and then switched to XP
I
>
>>>>>>>remember
>>>>>>>that the sound was different to my ears but I said to myself well,
>yor
>>>>>ears
>>>>>>>must be wrong...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now that makes me wonder if many things act differently under XP!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I made some heavy tests here...
>>>>>>>>Paris eds effects react different (sound different) under Me than
>in
>>>>XP.
>>>>>>>>Now that is most interesting.
>>>>>>>>I checked with a B3 file and Big Eq from Paris.
>>>>>>>>Turning all the way up to 20 under Me gave a fat distorted sound.
>>>>>>>>XP !
>>>>>>>>Overall Me (well Paris under Me) sounds fatter and distorts more

>>>>>>>>easily...
>>>>>>>>Please if you have a second bay disk with me and Xp try a file to
>hear
>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>you get ...
>>>>>>>>I am very very curious and shocked...
>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Opps I meant to say hotter on the ME file.
Damn I need a proffreeder. ;-}


"Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>Sound like the level is hotter on the XP file. This might be reaching a
bit,
>but have you verified that the levels (pro/semi pro) on the MEC module are
>set the same between the two. I know that they are saved with the project,
>but could XP somehow be loosing the setting? Have you tried toggling it
back
>and forth just to see?
>
>
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>Here is the second wave mono file for Me.
>>Please read previous post tounderstand.
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>>
>>
>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>Me neither, I'd go as far as to say...not possible.
>>>--
>>>Martin Harrington
>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>
>>>"Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:44598399$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand how the OS could make a difference at all
>>>> with regard to the sound an application produces.
>>>>
>>>> Not calling you a liar, but I sure would like you to elaborate
>>>> or provide some kind of basis for your statements if you can.
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Thats right !
>>>>>We are talking here about the Paris graphic eq.
>>>>>I would like anyone's input here.
>>>>>I have made the test almost ten times !
>>>>>Changing the cad disk bay from XP to Me and loading the same project
>on
>>>> both...
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just to be clear. there is the Paris eds eq, Paris vst emulation of
>the
>>>>>eds
>>>>>>eq (by Matt Craig), Freak Q, and Barb-A-Q. Which of those are you talking
>>>>>>about?
>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What's Paris "Big" EQ?
>>>>>>>I think I remember checking this when I switched to xp and the files
>>
>>>>>>>nulled
>>>>>>>(I'm pretty anal about this stuff)but it's been so long I can't say
>>for
>>>>>>sure.
>>>>>>>The memory starts going. If I get some time I will check it again.
>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In order not to confuse anyone here is my exact test.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On a four card Paris system I loaded a B3 tune for 3-4 seconds playing
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>aloop on a Paris audio track.
>>>>>>>>I pushed the level up to 10and had submix -8.1
>>>>>>>>I was monitoring via monitor outputs and had the monitor level -12.
>>>>>>>>No on Paris BigEqI had thsi filter highpass at 260Hz and lowpass
at
>>
>>>>>>>>5247,
>>>>>>>>trimmer AT FULL 20 !!
>>>>>>>>This makes all the diffrence now beetween Me and XP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Under XP even at +20 the sound becomes nowhere as distorted (well
>bad
>>>>>distortion)
>>>>>>>>and the volume stays overall the same as with the BigEq OFF.
>>>>>>>>The trimmer works because lowering it the volume lowers itself too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Now on Me with closed EQ we have the same sound (is it ?) but when
>>eq
>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>engaged with that full +20 there is sever distortion and loudness
>and
>>>>>fatness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Go figure...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Can please someone with both XP and Me partitions check this please
>>?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When I was first using Me for some months and then switched to XP
>I
>>
>>>>>>>>remember
>>>>>>>>that the sound was different to my ears but I said to myself well,
>>yor
>>>>>>ears
>>>>>>>>must be wrong...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Now that makes me wonder if many things act differently under XP!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I made some heavy tests here...
>>>>>>>>>Paris eds effects react different (sound different) under Me than
>>in
>>>>>XP.
>>>>>>>>>Now that is most interesting.
>>>>>>>>>I checked with a B3 file and Big Eq from Paris.
>>>>>>>>>Turning all the way up to 20 under Me gave a fat distorted sound.
>>>>>>>>>XP !
>>>>>>>>>Overall Me (well Paris under Me) sounds fatter and distorts more
>
>>>>>>>>>easily...
>>>>>>>>>Please if you have a second bay disk with me and Xp try a file to
>>hear
>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>you get ...
>>>>>>>>>I am very very curious and shocked...
>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>Hi,
Again to not confuse anyone as I do sometimes I guess, aferall English is
not my native language...

I just LOADED in the audio bin one wavefile.
So there is not any recording involved.
Secondly, levels are the same under Xp and Me ONLY the BIGEQ FIRST EQ SLOT
has this "bug" or feature ??
When you select HIGHPASS and put something around 250hz ( I know it will
be the same for other frequencies) and the output level is set at maximum,
UNDER ME there is a HOT HOT output well into severe "tube" distortion thing
as opposed to XP which remains natural (well some distortion there too).
PLease note ONLY the forst EQ slot behaves like this !!!
I could not replicate this effect with other eq slots.

Yes I believe the Paris drivers may make Paris act differently, maybe XP
drivers are better ?

Well I don't know what other things "sound" different beetween the two but
I am willing to investigate.

Hope this helps a little bit more.
Regards,
Dimitrios

"Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>Opps I meant to say hotter on the ME file.
>Damn I need a proffreeder. ;-}
>
>
>"Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>Sound like the level is hotter on the XP file. This might be reaching
a
>bit,
>>but have you verified that the levels (pro/semi pro) on the MEC module
are
>>set the same between the two. I know that they are saved with the project,
>>but could XP somehow be loosing the setting? Have you tried toggling it
>back
>>and forth just to see?
>>
>>
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Here is the second wave mono file for Me.
>>>Please read previous post tounderstand.
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>>
>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>Me neither, I'd go as far as to say...not possible.
>>>>--
>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>
>>>>"Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:44598399$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand how the OS could make a difference at all
>>>>> with regard to the sound an application produces.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not calling you a liar, but I sure would like you to elaborate
>>>>> or provide some kind of basis for your statements if you can.
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thats right !
>>>>>>We are talking here about the Paris graphic eq.
>>>>>>I would like anyone's input here.
>>>>>>I have made the test almost ten times !
>>>>>>Changing the cad disk bay from XP to Me and loading the same project
>>on
>>>>> both...
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just to be clear. there is the Paris eds eq, Paris vst emulation of
>>the
>>>>>>eds
>>>>>>>eq (by Matt Craig), Freak Q, and Barb-A-Q. Which of those are you
talking
>>>>>>>about?
>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What's Paris "Big" EQ?
>>>>>>>>I think I remember checking this when I switched to xp and the files
>>>
>>>>>>>>nulled
>>>>>>>>(I'm pretty anal about this stuff)but it's been so long I can't say
>>>for
>>>>>>>sure.
>>>>>>>>The memory starts going. If I get some time I will check it again.
>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In order not to confuse anyone here is my exact test.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>&g

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Re: Bye Paris [message #66604 is a reply to message #66537] Wed, 12 April 2006 06:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Ludwig is currently offline  Chris Ludwig   UNITED STATES
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t;>>>>>On a four card Paris system I loaded a B3 tune for 3-4 seconds playing
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>aloop on a Paris audio track.
>>>>>>>>>I pushed the level up to 10and had submix -8.1
>>>>>>>>>I was monitoring via monitor outputs and had the monitor level -12.
>>>>>>>>>No on Paris BigEqI had thsi filter highpass at 260Hz and lowpass
>at
>>>
>>>>>>>>>5247,
>>>>>>>>>trimmer AT FULL 20 !!
>>>>>>>>>This makes all the diffrence now beetween Me and XP.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Under XP even at +20 the sound becomes nowhere as distorted (well
>>bad
>>>>>>distortion)
>>>>>>>>>and the volume stays overall the same as with the BigEq OFF.
>>>>>>>>>The trimmer works because lowering it the volume lowers itself too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Now on Me with closed EQ we have the same sound (is it ?) but when
>>>eq
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>engaged with that full +20 there is sever distortion and loudness
>>and
>>>>>>fatness.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Go figure...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Can please someone with both XP and Me partitions check this please
>>>?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>When I was first using Me for some months and then switched to XP
>>I
>>>
>>>>>>>>>remember
>>>>>>>>>that the sound was different to my ears but I said to myself well,
>>>yor
>>>>>>>ears
>>>>>>>>>must be wrong...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Now that makes me wonder if many things act differently under XP!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I made some heavy tests here...
>>>>>>>>>>Paris eds effects react different (sound different) under Me than
>>>in
>>>>>>XP.
>>>>>>>>>>Now that is most interesting.
>>>>>>>>>>I checked with a B3 file and Big Eq from Paris.
>>>>>>>>>>Turning all the way up to 20 under Me gave a fat distorted sound.
>>>>>>>>>>XP !
>>>>>>>>>>Overall Me (well Paris under Me) sounds fatter and distorts more
>>
>>>>>>>>>>easily...
>>>>>>>>>>Please if you have a second bay disk with me and Xp try a file
to
>>>hear
>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>>you get ...
>>>>>>>>>>I am very very curious and shocked...
>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>I wouldn't go that far just yet.... Paris interacts with the OS level in
different ways for sure. Take Direct X and VST for example. Or that the XP
drivers land in a different spot in the hardware manager. How that would
affect Paris internal EQ I don't grasp at this point but I can't rule it
out.

Got my interest D, keep going man.

AA


"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:4459c439$1@linux...
> Me neither, I'd go as far as to say...not possible.
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:44598399$1@linux...
>>
>> I don't understand how the OS could make a difference at all
>> with regard to the sound an application produces.
>>
>> Not calling you a liar, but I sure would like you to elaborate
>> or provide some kind of basis for your statements if you can.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>Thats right !
>>>We are talking here about the Paris graphic eq.
>>>I would like anyone's input here.
>>>I have made the test almost ten times !
>>>Changing the cad disk bay from XP to Me and loading the same project on
>> both...
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Just to be clear. there is the Paris eds eq, Paris vst emulation of the
>>>eds
>>>>eq (by Matt Craig), Freak Q, and Barb-A-Q. Which of those are you
>>>>talking
>>>>about?
>>>>Rod
>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>What's Paris "Big" EQ?
>>>>>I think I remember checking this when I switched to xp and the files
>>>>>nulled
>>>>>(I'm pretty anal about this stuff)but it's been so long I can't say for
>>>>sure.
>>>>>The memory starts going. If I get some time I will check it again.
>>>>>Rod
>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In order not to confuse anyone here is my exact test.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On a four card Paris system I loaded a B3 tune for 3-4 seconds playing
>>>>in
>>>>>>aloop on a Paris audio track.
>>>>>>I pushed the level up to 10and had submix -8.1
>>>>>>I was monitoring via monitor outputs and had the monitor level -12.
>>>>>>No on Paris BigEqI had thsi filter highpass at 260Hz and lowpass at
>>>>>>5247,
>>>>>>trimmer AT FULL 20 !!
>>>>>>This makes all the diffrence now beetween Me and XP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Under XP even at +20 the sound becomes nowhere as distorted (well bad
>>>distortion)
>>>>>>and the volume stays overall the same as with the BigEq OFF.
>>>>>>The trimmer works because lowering it the volume lowers itself too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now on Me with closed EQ we have the same sound (is it ?) but when eq
>>>is
>>>>>>engaged with that full +20 there is sever distortion and loudness and
>>>fatness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Go figure...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Can please someone with both XP and Me partitions check this please ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When I was first using Me for some months and then switched to XP I
>>>>>>remember
>>>>>>that the sound was different to my ears but I said to myself well, yor
>>>>ears
>>>>>>must be wrong...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now that makes me wonder if many things act differently under XP!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I made some heavy tests here...
>>>>>>>Paris eds effects react different (sound different) under Me than in
>>>XP.
>>>>>>>Now that is most interesting.
>>>>>>>I checked with a B3 file and Big Eq from Paris.
>>>>>>>Turning all the way up to 20 under Me gave a fat distorted sound.
>>>>>>>XP !
>>>>>>>Overall Me (well Paris under Me) sounds fatter and distorts more
>>>>>>>easily...
>>>>>>>Please if you have a second bay disk with me and Xp try a file to
>>>>>>>hear
>>>>>what
>>>>>>>you get ...
>>>>>>>I am very very curious and shocked...
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.htmlDimitrios, just to be clear.. you are inserting the Paris VST EQ into a
native slot, only on the 1st slot does this phenomenon happen? Does it
change if you move channels around? I noticed that in XP the aux leak bug
seems to have died a deserved death, and I'm wondering if this is somehow
related.

AA


"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4459f001$1@linux...
>
> Hi,
> Again to not confuse anyone as I do sometimes I guess, aferall English is
> not my native language...
>
> I just LOADED in the audio bin one wavefile.
> So there is not any recording involved.
> Secondly, levels are the same under Xp and Me ONLY the BIGEQ FIRST EQ SLOT
> has this "bug" or feature ??
> When you select HIGHPASS and put something around 250hz ( I know it will
> be the same for other frequencies) and the output level is set at maximum,
> UNDER ME there is a HOT HOT output well into severe "tube" distortion
> thing
> as opposed to XP which remains natural (well some distortion there too).
> PLease note ONLY the forst EQ slot behaves like this !!!
> I could not replicate this effect with other eq slots.
>
> Yes I believe the Paris drivers may make Paris act differently, maybe XP
> drivers are better ?
>
> Well I don't know what other things "sound" different beetween the two but
> I am willing to investigate.
>
> Hope this helps a little bit more.
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> "Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>Opps I meant to say hotter on the ME file.
>>Damn I need a proffreeder. ;-}
>>
>>
>>"Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Sound like the level is hotter on the XP file. This might be reaching
> a
>>bit,
>>>but have you verified that the levels (pro/semi pro) on the MEC module
> are
>>>set the same between the two. I know that they are saved with the
>>>project,
>>>but could XP somehow be loosing the setting? Have you tried toggling it
>>back
>>>and forth just to see?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Here is the second wave mono file for Me.
>>>>Please read previous post tounderstand.
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>Me neither, I'd go as far as to say...not possible.
>>>>>--
>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>
>>>>>"Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:44598399$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't understand how the OS could make a difference at all
>>>>>> with regard to the sound an application produces.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not calling you a liar, but I sure would like you to elaborate
>>>>>> or provide some kind of basis for your statements if you can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thats right !
>>>>>>&

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Re: Bye Paris [message #66605 is a reply to message #66599] Wed, 12 April 2006 06:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
Senior Member
gt;We are talking here about the Paris graphic eq.
>>>>>>>I would like anyone's input here.
>>>>>>>I have made the test almost ten times !
>>>>>>>Changing the cad disk bay from XP to Me and loading the same project
>>>on
>>>>>> both...
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Just to be clear. there is the Paris eds eq, Paris vst emulation of
>>>the
>>>>>>>eds
>>>>>>>>eq (by Matt Craig), Freak Q, and Barb-A-Q. Which of those are you
> talking
>>>>>>>>about?
>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What's Paris "Big" EQ?
>>>>>>>>>I think I remember checking this when I switched to xp and the
>>>>>>>>>files
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>nulled
>>>>>>>>>(I'm pretty anal about this stuff)but it's been so long I can't say
>>>>for
>>>>>>>>sure.
>>>>>>>>>The memory starts going. If I get some time I will check it again.
>>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In order not to confuse anyone here is my exact test.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On a four card Paris system I loaded a B3 tune for 3-4 seconds
>>>>>>>>>>playing
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>aloop on a Paris audio track.
>>>>>>>>>>I pushed the level up to 10and had submix -8.1
>>>>>>>>>>I was monitoring via monitor outputs and had the monitor
>>>>>>>>>>level -12.
>>>>>>>>>>No on Paris BigEqI had thsi filter highpass at 260Hz and lowpass
>>at
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>5247,
>>>>>>>>>>trimmer AT FULL 20 !!
>>>>>>>>>>This makes all the diffrence now beetween Me and XP.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Under XP even at +20 the sound becomes nowhere as distorted (well
>>>bad
>>>>>>>distortion)
>>>>>>>>>>and the volume stays overall the same as with the BigEq OFF.
>>>>>>>>>>The trimmer works because lowering it the volume lowers itself
>>>>>>>>>>too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Now on Me with closed EQ we have the same sound (is it ?) but when
>>>>eq
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>engaged with that full +20 there is sever distortion and loudness
>>>and
>>>>>>>fatness.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Go figure...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Can please someone with both XP and Me partitions check this
>>>>>>>>>>please
>>>>?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>When I was first using Me for some months and then switched to XP
>>>I
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>remember
>>>>>>>>>>that the sound was different to my ears but I said to myself well,
>>>>yor
>>>>>>>>ears
>>>>>>>>>>must be wrong...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Now that makes me wonder if many things act differently under XP!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I made some heavy tests here...
>>>>>>>>>>>Paris eds effects react different (sound different) under Me than
>>>>in
>>>>>>>XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>Now that is most interesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>I checked with a B3 file and Big Eq from Paris.
>>>>>>>>>>>Turning all the way up to 20 under Me gave a fat distorted sound.
>>>>>>>>>>>XP !
>>>>>>>>>>>Overall Me (well Paris under Me) sounds fatter and distorts more
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>easily...
>>>>>>>>>>>Please if you have a second bay disk with me and Xp try a file
> to
>>>>hear
>>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>>>you get ...
>>>>>>>>>>>I am very very curious and shocked...
>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.htmlDear Aaron,
I arrised misunderstanding here and a huge on !!

NO PLUGIN neither native nor EDS !!

Just PLAIN Paris onboard eq.
You know the graphic eq !!

Whatever else you have found on XP that is strange opposed to Me please take
note.
We have to gather that info.

I hope I made a little bit clearier now.
right ?
Rgards,
Dimitrios

"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Dimitrios, just to be clear.. you are inserting the Paris VST EQ into a

>native slot, only on the 1st slot does this phenomenon happen? Does it
>change if you move channels around? I noticed that in XP the aux leak bug

>seems to have died a deserved death, and I'm wondering if this is somehow

>related.
>
>AA
>
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4459f001$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi,
>> Again to not confuse anyone as I do sometimes I guess, aferall English
is
>> not my native language...
>>
>> I just LOADED in the audio bin one wavefile.
>> So there is not any recording involved.
>> Secondly, levels are the same under Xp and Me ONLY the BIGEQ FIRST EQ
SLOT
>> has this "bug" or feature ??
>> When you select HIGHPASS and put something around 250hz ( I know it will
>> be the same for other frequencies) and the output level is set at maximum,
>> UNDER ME there is a HOT HOT output well into severe "tube" distortion

>> thing
>> as opposed to XP which remains natural (well some distortion there too).
>> PLease note ONLY the forst EQ slot behaves like this !!!
>> I could not replicate this effect with other eq slots.
>>
>> Yes I believe the Paris drivers may make Paris act differently, maybe
XP
>> drivers are better ?
>>
>> Well I don't know what other things "sound" different beetween the two
but
>> I am willing to investigate.
>>
>> Hope this helps a little bit more.
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>>
>> "Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Opps I meant to say hotter on the ME file.
>>>Damn I need a proffreeder. ;-}
>>>
>>>
>>>"Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Sound like the level is hotter on the XP file. This might be reaching
>> a
>>>bit,
>>>>but have you verified that the levels (pro/semi pro) on the MEC module
>> are
>>>>set the same between the two. I know that they are saved with the
>>>>project,
>>>>but could XP somehow be loosing the setting? Have you tried toggling
it
>>>back
>>>>and forth just to see?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Here is the second wave mono file for Me.
>>>>>Please read previous post tounderstand.
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>Me neither, I'd go as far as to say...not possible.
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:44598399$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't understand how the OS could make a difference at all
>>>>>>> with regard to the sound an application produces.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not calling you a liar, but I sure would like you to elaborate
>>>>>>> or provide some kind of basis for your statements if you can.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thats right !
>>>>>>>>We are talking here about the Paris graphic eq.
>>>>>>>>I would like anyone's input here.
>>>>>>>>I have made the test almost ten times !
>>>>>>>>Changing the cad disk bay from XP to Me and loading the same project
>>>>on
>>>>>>> both...
>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Just to be clear. there is the Paris eds eq, Paris vst emulation
of
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>eds
>>>>>>>>>eq (by Matt Craig), Freak Q, and Barb-A-Q. Which of those are you
>> talking
>>>>>>>>>about?
>>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What's Paris "Big" EQ?
>>>>>>>>>>I think I remember checking this when I switched to xp and the

>>>>>>>>>>files
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>nulled
>>>>>>>>>>(I'm pretty anal about this stuff)but it's been so long I can't
say
>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>sure.
>>>>>>>>>>The memory starts going. If I get some time I will check it again.
>>>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In order not to confuse anyone here is my exact test.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On a four card Paris system I loaded a B3 tune for 3-4 seconds

>>>>>>>>>>>playing
>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>aloop on a Paris audio track.
>>>>>>>>>>>I pushed the level up to 10and had submix -8.1
>>>>>>>>>>>I was monitoring via monitor outputs and had the monitor
>>>>>>>>>>>level -12.
>>>>>>>>>>>No on Paris BigEqI had thsi filter highpass at 260Hz and lowpass
>>>at
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>5247,
>>>>>>>>>>>trimmer AT FULL 20 !!
>>>>>>>>>>>This makes all the diffrence now beetween Me and XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Under XP even at +20 the sound becomes nowhere as distorted (well
>>>>bad
>>>>>>>>distortion)
>>>>>>>>>>>and the volume stays overall the same as with the BigEq OFF.
>>>>>>>>>>>The trimmer works because lowering it the volume lowers itself

>>>>>>>>>>>too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Now on Me with closed EQ we have the same sound (is it ?) but
when
>>>>>eq
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>engaged with that full +20 there is sever distortion and loudness
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>fatness.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Go figure...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Can please someone with both XP and Me partitions check this
>>>>>>>>>>>please
>>>>>?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>When I was first using Me for some months and then switched to
XP
>>>>I
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>remember
>>>>>>>>>>>that the sound was different to my ears but I said to myself well,
>>>>>yor
>>>>>>>>>ears
>>>>>>>>>>>must be wrong...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Now that makes me wonder if many things act differently under
XP!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I made some heavy tests here...
>>>>>>>>>>>>Paris eds effects react different (sound different) under Me
than
>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Now that is most interesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I checked with a B3 file and Big Eq from Paris.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Turning all the way up to 20 under Me gave a fat distorted sound.
>>>>>>>>>>>>XP !
>>>>>>>>>>>>Overall Me (well Paris under Me) sounds fatter and distorts more
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>easily...
>>>>>>>>>>>>Please if you have a second bay disk with me and Xp try a file
>> to
>>>>>hear
>>>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>>>>you get ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>I am very very curious and shocked...
>>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>
>Dear Aaron,
I arrised misunderstanding here and a huge on !!

NO PLUGIN neither native nor EDS !!

Just PLAIN Paris onboard eq.
You know the graphic eq !!

Whatever else you have found on XP that is strange opposed to Me please take
note.
We have to gather that info.

I hope I made a little bit clearier now.
right ?
Rgards,
Dimitrios

"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Dimitrios, just to be clear.. you are inserting the Paris VST EQ into a

>native slot, only on the 1st slot does this phenomenon happen? Does it
>change if you move channels around? I noticed that in XP the aux leak bug

>seems to have died a deserved death, and I'm wondering if this is somehow

>related.
>
>AA
>
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4459f001$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi,
>> Again to not confuse anyone as I do sometimes I guess, aferall English
is
>> not my native language...
>>
>> I just LOADED in the audio bin one wavefile.
>> So there is not any recording involved.
>> Secondly, levels are the same under Xp and Me ONLY the BIGEQ FIRST EQ
SLOT
>> has this "bug" or feature ??
>> When you select HIGHPASS and put something around 250hz ( I know it will
>> be the same for other frequencies) and the output level is set at maximum,
>> UNDER ME there is a HOT HOT output well into severe "tube" distortion

>> thing
>> as opposed to XP which remains natural (well some distortion there too).
>> PLease note ONLY the forst EQ slot behaves like this !!!
>> I could not replicate this effect with other eq slots.
>>
>> Yes I believe the Paris drivers may make Paris act differently, maybe
XP
>> drivers are better ?
>>
>> Well I don't know what other things "sound" different beetween the two
but
>> I am willing to investigate.
>>
>> Hope this helps a little bit more.
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>>
>> "Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Opps I meant to say hotter on the ME file.
>>>Damn I need a proffreeder. ;-}
>>>
>>>
>>>"Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Sound like the level is hotter on the XP file. This might be reaching
>> a
>>>bit,
>>>>but have you verified that the levels (pro/semi pro) on the MEC module
>> are
>>>>set the same between the two. I know that they are saved with the
>>>>project,
>>>>but could XP somehow be loosing the setting? Have you tried toggling
it
>>>back
>>>>and forth just to see?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Here is the second wave mono file for Me.
>>>>>Please read previous post tounderstand.
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>Me neither, I'd go as far as to say.

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Re: Bye Paris [message #66609 is a reply to message #66605] Wed, 12 April 2006 07:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
excelav is currently offline  excelav   
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
Senior Member
gt;>eq (by Matt Craig), Freak Q, and Barb-A-Q. Which of those are you
>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>about?
>>>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What's Paris "Big" EQ?
>>>>>>>>>>>I think I remember checking this when I switched to xp and the
>
>>>>>>>>>>>files
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>nulled
>>>>>>>>>>>(I'm pretty anal about this stuff)but it's been so long I can't
> say
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>The memory starts going. If I get some time I will check it
>>>>>>>>>>>again.
>>>>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>In order not to confuse anyone here is my exact test.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On a four card Paris system I loaded a B3 tune for 3-4 seconds
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>playing
>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>>aloop on a Paris audio track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I pushed the level up to 10and had submix -8.1
>>>>>>>>>>>>I was monitoring via monitor outputs and had the monitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>level -12.
>>>>>>>>>>>>No on Paris BigEqI had thsi filter highpass at 260Hz and lowpass
>>>>at
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>5247,
>>>>>>>>>>>>trimmer AT FULL 20 !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>This makes all the diffrence now beetween Me and XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Under XP even at +20 the sound becomes nowhere as distorted
>>>>>>>>>>>>(well
>>>>>bad
>>>>>>>>>distortion)
>>>>>>>>>>>>and the volume stays overall the same as with the BigEq OFF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>The trimmer works because lowering it the volume lowers itself
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Now on Me with closed EQ we have the same sound (is it ?) but
> when
>>>>>>eq
>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>engaged with that full +20 there is sever distortion and
>>>>>>>>>>>>loudness
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>fatness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Go figure...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Can please someone with both XP and Me partitions check this
>>>>>>>>>>>>please
>>>>>>?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>When I was first using Me for some months and then switched to
> XP
>>>>>I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>remember
>>>>>>>>>>>>that the sound was different to my ears but I said to myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>well,
>>>>>>yor
>>>>>>>>>>ears
>>>>>>>>>>>>must be wrong...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Now that makes me wonder if many things act differently under
> XP!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I made some heavy tests here...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Paris eds effects react different (sound different) under Me
> than
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now that is most interesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I checked with a B3 file and Big Eq from Paris.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Turning all the way up to 20 under Me gave a fat distorted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>sound.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>XP !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Overall Me (well Paris under Me) sounds fatter and distorts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>more
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>easily...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Please if you have a second bay disk with me and Xp try a file
>>> to
>>>>>>hear
>>>>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>you get ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am very very curious and shocked...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>
>>
>Dear Aaron,
Yes the onboard graphic eq.
When I said first eq slot I meant ,sorry!, first band eq from the four Paris
eq has.
This is the very first as seeing it from the left.
I hope it is clear now...:)
Regards,
Dimitrios

"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Ok, so you're finding this difference in the Graphical EQ built into
>Paris....... what reference to the first slot do you mean? On the first

>channel/track perhaps?
>
>AA
>
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4459f747$1@linux...
>>
>> Dear Aaron,
>> I arrised misunderstanding here and a huge on !!
>>
>> NO PLUGIN neither native nor EDS !!
>>
>> Just PLAIN Paris onboard eq.
>> You know the graphic eq !!
>>
>> Whatever else you have found on XP that is strange opposed to Me please

>> take
>> note.
>> We have to gather that info.
>>
>> I hope I made a little bit clearier now.
>> right ?
>> Rgards,
>> Dimitrios
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>Dimitrios, just to be clear.. you are inserting the Paris VST EQ into
a
>>
>>>native slot, only on the 1st slot does this phenomenon happen? Does it
>>>change if you move channels around? I noticed that in XP the aux leak
bug
>>
>>>seems to have died a deserved death, and I'm wondering if this is somehow
>>
>>>related.
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4459f001$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Again to not confuse anyone as I do sometimes I guess, aferall English
>> is
>>>> not my native language...
>>>>
>>>> I just LOADED in the audio bin one wavefile.
>>>> So there is not any recording involved.
>>>> Secondly, levels are the same under Xp and Me ONLY the BIGEQ FIRST EQ
>> SLOT
>>>> has this "bug" or feature ??
>>>> When you select HIGHPASS and put something around 250hz ( I know it
will
>>>> be the same for other frequencies) and the output level is set at
>>>> maximum,
>>>> UNDER ME there is a HOT HOT output well into severe "tube" distortion
>>
>>>> thing
>>>> as opposed to XP which remains natural (well some distortion there too).
>>>> PLease note ONLY the forst EQ slot behaves like this !!!
>>>> I could not replicate this effect with other eq slots.
>>>>
>>>> Yes I believe the Paris drivers may make Paris act differently, maybe
>> XP
>>>> drivers are better ?
>>>>
>>>> Well I don't know what other things "sound" different beetween the two
>> but
>>>> I am willing to investigate.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps a little bit more.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>
>>>> "Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Opps I meant to say hotter on the ME file.
>>>>>Damn I need a proffreeder. ;-}
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sound like the level is hotter on the XP file. This might be reaching
>>>> a
>>>>>bit,
>>>>>>but have you verified that the levels (pro/semi pro) on the MEC module
>>>> are
>>>>>>set the same between the two. I know that they are saved with the
>>>>>>project,
>>>>>>but could XP somehow be loosing the setting? Have you tried toggling
>> it
>>>>>back
>>>>>>and forth just to see?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here is the second wave mono file for Me.
>>>>>>>Please read previous post tounderstand.
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Me neither, I'd go as far as to say...not possible.
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:44598399$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't understand how the OS could make a difference at all
>>>>>>>>> with regard to the sound an application produces.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not calling you a liar, but I sure would like you to elaborate
>>>>>>>>> or provide some kind of basis for your statements if you can.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thats right !
>>>>>>>>>>We are talking here about the Paris graphic eq.
>>>>>>>>>>I would like anyone's input here.
>>>>>>>>>>I have made the test almost ten times !
>>>>>>>>>>Changing the cad disk bay from XP to Me and loading the same
>>>>>>>>>>project
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>> both...
>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Just to be clear. there is the Paris eds eq, Paris vst emulation
>> of
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>eds
>>>>>>>>>>>eq (by Matt Craig), Freak Q, and Barb-A-Q. Which of those are
you
>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>>about?
>>>>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What's Paris "Big" EQ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>I think I remember checking this when I switched to xp and the
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>files
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>nulled
>>>>>>>>>>>>(I'm pretty anal about this stuff)but it's been so long I can't
>> say
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>The memory starts going. If I get some time I will check it
>>>>>>>>>>>>again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In order not to confuse anyone here is my exact test.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On a four card Paris system I loaded a B3 tune for 3-4 seconds
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>playing
>>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>aloop on a Paris audio track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I pushed the level up to 10and had submix -8.1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I was monitoring via monitor outputs and had the monitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>level -12.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>No on Paris BigEqI had thsi filter highpass at 260Hz and lowpass
>>>>>at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>5247,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>trimmer AT FULL 20 !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>This makes all the diffrence now beetween Me and XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Under XP even at +20 the sound becomes nowhere as distorted

>>>>>>>>>>>>>(well
>>>>>>bad
>>>>>>>>>>distortion)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and the volume stays overall the same as with the BigEq OFF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>The trimmer works because lowering it the volume lowers itself
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now on Me with closed EQ we have the same sound (is it ?) but
>> when
>>>>>>>eq
>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>engaged with that full +20 there is sever distortion and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>loudness
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>fatness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Go figure...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Can please someone with both XP and Me partitions check this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>please
>>>>>>>?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>When I was first using Me for some months and then switched
to
>> XP
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>remember
>>>>>>>>>>>>>that the sound was different to my ears but I said to myself

>>>>>>>>>>>>>well,
>>>>>>>yor
>>>>>>>>>>>ears
>>>>>>>>>>>>>must be wrong...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now that makes me wonder if many things act differently under
>> XP!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I made some heavy tests here...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Paris eds effects react different (sound different) under Me
>> than
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now that is most interesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I checked with a B3 file and Big Eq from Paris.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Turning all the way up to 20 under Me gave a fat distorted

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sound.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XP !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Overall Me (well Paris under Me) sounds fatter and distorts

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>more
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>easily...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Please if you have a second bay disk with me and Xp try a file
>>>> to
>>>>>>>hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you get ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am very very curious and shocked...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Not completely yet..
You are using the first EQ band reading left to right in High Pass mode at
250 Hz and pusing the EQ Gain to +20 dB?
Is there a specific track/channel you are using, and if so, have you tried
this on other channels / EDS cards as well?

AA


"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4459fb21@linux...
>
> Dear Aaron,
> Yes the onboard graphic eq.
> When I said first eq slot I meant ,sorry!, first band eq from the four
> Paris
> eq has.
> This is the very first as seeing it from the left.
> I hope it is clear now...:)
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Ok, so you're finding this difference in the Graphical EQ built into
>>Paris....... what reference to the first slot do you mean? On the first
>
>>channel/track perhaps?
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4459f747$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Dear Aaron,
>>> I arrised misunderstanding here and a huge on !!
>>>
>>> NO PLUGIN neither native nor EDS !!
>>>
>>> Just PLAIN Paris onboard eq.
>>> You know the graphic eq !!
>>>
>>> Whatever else you have found on XP that is strange opposed to Me please
>
>>> take
>>> note.
>>> We have to gather that info.
>>>
>>> I hope I made a little bit clearier now.
>>> right ?
>>> Rgards,
>>> Dimitrios
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>Dimitrios, just to be clear.. you are inserting the Paris VST EQ into
> a
>>>
>>>>native slot, only on the 1st slot does this phenomenon happen? Does it
>>>>change if you move channels around? I noticed that in XP the aux leak
> bug
>>>
>>>>seems to have died a deserved death, and I'm wondering if this is
>>>>somehow
>>>
>>>>related.
&g

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Re: Bye Paris [message #66612 is a reply to message #66605] Wed, 12 April 2006 08:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John [1] is currently offline  John [1]
Messages: 2229
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ule
>>>>> are
>>>>>>>set the same between the two. I know that they are saved with the
>>>>>>>project,
>>>>>>>but could XP somehow be loosing the setting? Have you tried toggling
>>> it
>>>>>>back
>>>>>>>and forth just to see?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Here is the second wave mono file for Me.
>>>>>>>>Please read previous post tounderstand.
>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Me neither, I'd go as far as to say...not possible.
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:44598399$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand how the OS could make a difference at all
>>>>>>>>>> with regard to the sound an application produces.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not calling you a liar, but I sure would like you to elaborate
>>>>>>>>>> or provide some kind of basis for your statements if you can.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Thats right !
>>>>>>>>>>>We are talking here about the Paris graphic eq.
>>>>>>>>>>>I would like anyone's input here.
>>>>>>>>>>>I have made the test almost ten times !
>>>>>>>>>>>Changing the cad disk bay from XP to Me and loading the same
>>>>>>>>>>>project
>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>> both...
>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Just to be clear. there is the Paris eds eq, Paris vst emulation
>>> of
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>eds
>>>>>>>>>>>>eq (by Matt Craig), Freak Q, and Barb-A-Q. Which of those are
> you
>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>about?
>>>>>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What's Paris "Big" EQ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I think I remember checking this when I switched to xp and the
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>files
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>nulled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>(I'm pretty anal about this stuff)but it's been so long I can't
>>> say
>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>>sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>The memory starts going. If I get some time I will check it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In order not to confuse anyone here is my exact test.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On a four card Paris system I loaded a B3 tune for 3-4 seconds
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>playing
>>>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>aloop on a Paris audio track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I pushed the level up to 10and had submix -8.1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I was monitoring via monitor outputs and had the monitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>level -12.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No on Paris BigEqI had thsi filter highpass at 260Hz and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lowpass
>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>5247,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trimmer AT FULL 20 !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This makes all the diffrence now beetween Me and XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Under XP even at +20 the sound becomes nowhere as distorted
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(well
>>>>>>>bad
>>>>>>>>>>>distortion)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and the volume stays overall the same as with the BigEq OFF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The trimmer works because lowering it the volume lowers itself
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now on Me with closed EQ we have the same sound (is it ?) but
>>> when
>>>>>>>>eq
>>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>engaged with that full +20 there is sever distortion and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>loudness
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>fatness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Go figure...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Can please someone with both XP and Me partitions check this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>please
>>>>>>>>?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When I was first using Me for some months and then switched
> to
>>> XP
>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>remember
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that the sound was different to my ears but I said to myself
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>well,
>>>>>>>>yor
>>>>>>>>>>>>ears
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>must be wrong...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now that makes me wonder if many things act differently under
>>> XP!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I made some heavy tests here...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Paris eds effects react different (sound different) under Me
>>> than
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now that is most interesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I checked with a B3 file and Big Eq from Paris.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Turning all the way up to 20 under Me gave a fat distorted
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sound.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XP !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Overall Me (well Paris under Me) sounds fatter and distorts
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>more
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>easily...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Please if you have a second bay disk with me and Xp try a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>file
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you get ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am very very curious and shocked...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Dear Aaron,
Exactly "extra Me" distortion occurs from +19 up to +20 ,so only on +19
and +20.
I tried on first audio track submix1 I try on others and see.
Regards,
Dimitrios

"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Not completely yet..
>You are using the first EQ band reading left to right in High Pass mode
at
>250 Hz and pusing the EQ Gain to +20 dB?
>Is there a specific track/channel you are using, and if so, have you tried

>this on other channels / EDS cards as well?
>
>AA
>
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4459fb21@linux...
>>
>> Dear Aaron,
>> Yes the onboard graphic eq.
>> When I said first eq slot I meant ,sorry!, first band eq from the four

>> Paris
>> eq has.
>> This is the very first as seeing it from the left.
>> I hope it is clear now...:)
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>Ok, so you're finding this difference in the Graphical EQ built into
>>>Paris....... what reference to the first slot do you mean? On the first
>>
>>>channel/track perhaps?
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4459f747$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Dear Aaron,
>>>> I arrised misunderstanding here and a huge on !!
>>>>
>>>> NO PLUGIN neither native nor EDS !!
>>>>
>>>> Just PLAIN Paris onboard eq.
>>>> You know the graphic eq !!
>>>>
>>>> Whatever else you have found on XP that is strange opposed to Me please
>>
>>>> take
>>>> note.
>>>> We have to gather that info.
>>>>
>>>> I hope I made a little bit clearier now.
>>>> right ?
>>>> Rgards,
>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>
>>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>Dimitrios, just to be clear.. you are inserting the Paris VST EQ into
>> a
>>>>
>>>>>native slot, only on the 1st slot does this phenomenon happen? Does
it
>>>>>change if you move channels around? I noticed that in XP the aux leak
>> bug
>>>>
>>>>>seems to have died a deserved death, and I'm wondering if this is
>>>>>somehow
>>>>
>>>>>related.
>>>>>
>>>>>AA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>>>>>news:4459f001$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Again to not confuse anyone as I do sometimes I guess, aferall English
>>>> is
>>>>>> not my native language...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just LOADED in the audio bin one wavefile.
>>>>>> So there is not any recording involved.
>>>>>> Secondly, levels are the same under Xp and Me ONLY the BIGEQ FIRST
EQ
>>>> SLOT
>>>>>> has this "bug" or feature ??
>>>>>> When you select HIGHPASS and put something around 250hz ( I know it
>> will
>>>>>> be the same for other frequencies) and the output level is set at
>>>>>> maximum,
>>>>>> UNDER ME there is a HOT HOT output well into severe "tube" distortion
>>>>
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>> as opposed to XP which remains natural (well some distortion there

>>>>>> too).
>>>>>> PLease note ONLY the forst EQ slot behaves like this !!!
>>>>>> I could not replicate this effect with other eq slots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I believe the Paris drivers may make Paris act differently, maybe
>>>> XP
>>>>>> drivers are better ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I don't know what other things "sound" different beetween the
two
>>>> but
>>>>>> I am willing to investigate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps a little bit more.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Opps I meant to say hotter on the ME file.
>>>>>>>Damn I need a proffreeder. ;-}
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sound like the level is hotter on the XP file. This might be
>>>>>>>>reaching
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>bit,
>>>>>>>>but have you verified that the levels (pro/semi pro) on the MEC
>>>>>>>>module
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>set the same between the two. I know that they are saved with the
>>>>>>>>project,
>>>>>>>>but could XP somehow be loosing the setting? Have you tried toggling
>>>> it
>>>>>>>back
>>>>>>>>and forth just to see?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Here is the second wave mono file for Me.
>>>>>>>>>Please read previous post tounderstand.
>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Me neither, I'd go as far as to say...not possible.
>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:44598399$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand how the OS could make a difference at all
>>>>>>>>>>> with regard to the sound an application produces.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not calling you a liar, but I sure would like you to elaborate
>>>>>>>>>>> or provide some kind of basis for your statements if you can.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Thats right !
>>>>>>>>>>>>We are talking here about the Paris graphic eq.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I would like anyone's input here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I have made the test almost ten times !
>>>>>>>>>>>>Changing the cad disk bay from XP to Me and loading the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>project
>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>> both...
>>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just to be clear. there is the Paris eds eq, Paris vst emulation
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>eds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>eq (by Matt Craig), Freak Q, and Barb-A-Q. Which of those are
>> you
>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>about?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What's Paris "Big" EQ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I think I remember checking this when I switched to xp and
the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>files
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nulled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(I'm pretty anal about this stuff)but it's been so long I can't
>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The memory starts going. If I get some time I will check it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In order not to confuse anyone here is my exact test.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On a four card Paris system I loaded a B3 tune for 3-4 seconds
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>playing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>aloop on a Paris audio track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I pushed the level up to 10and had submix -8.1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I was monitoring via monitor outputs and had the monitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>level -12.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No on Paris BigEqI had thsi filter highpass at 260Hz and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lowpass
>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>5247,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trimmer AT FULL 20 !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This makes all the diffrence now beetween Me and XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Under XP even at +20 the sound becomes nowhere as distorted
>>
>>>>>&

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dave Parkin is currently offline  dave Parkin   
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>In order not to confuse anyone here is my exact test.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On a four card Paris system I loaded a B3 tune for 3-4 seconds
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>playing
>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>>aloop on a Paris audio track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I pushed the level up to 10and had submix -8.1
>>>>>>>>>>>>I was monitoring via monitor outputs and had the monitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>level -12.
>>>>>>>>>>>>No on Paris BigEqI had thsi filter highpass at 260Hz and lowpass
>>>>at
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>5247,
>>>>>>>>>>>>trimmer AT FULL 20 !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>This makes all the diffrence now beetween Me and XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Under XP even at +20 the sound becomes nowhere as distorted (well
>>>>>bad
>>>>>>>>>distortion)
>>>>>>>>>>>>and the volume stays overall the same as with the BigEq OFF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>The trimmer works because lowering it the volume lowers itself
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Now on Me with closed EQ we have the same sound (is it ?) but
>when
>>>>>>eq
>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>engaged with that full +20 there is sever distortion and loudness
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>fatness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Go figure...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Can please someone with both XP and Me partitions check this

>>>>>>>>>>>>please
>>>>>>?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>When I was first using Me for some months and then switched to
>XP
>>>>>I
>>>>>>
>>>>>&g

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t;>>>>>>remember
>>>>>>>>>>>>that the sound was different to my ears but I said to myself
well,
>>>>>>yor
>>>>>>>>>>ears
>>>>>>>>>>>>must be wrong...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Now that makes me wonder if many things act differently under
>XP!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I made some heavy tests here...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Paris eds effects react different (sound different) under Me
>than
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now that is most interesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I checked with a B3 file and Big Eq from Paris.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Turning all the way up to 20 under Me gave a fat distorted sound.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>XP !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Overall Me (well Paris under Me) sounds fatter and distorts
more
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>easily...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Please if you have a second bay disk with me and Xp try a file
>>> to
>>>>>>hear
>>>>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>you get ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am very very curious and shocked...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>
>>
>I'm full on XP here, but I have a removable sled. I could build another
drive if today goes like I think it's going to. (Home sick)
You got the same result all over?

AA



"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:445a009a$1@linux...
>
> Dear Aaron,
> I tried on other audio tracks on same eds card and on all other three
> cards
> I have (total four) all act the same distortion under Me.
> Are you using Me ?
> If so please try ...
>
> Regards,
> DimitriosIs it just me, on a side note, or does the backwards EQ implimentation still
make anyone else nuts?

AA

"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:445a00fb$1@linux...
>
> OK, I have been out of the loop since yesterday. I'm going to give this a
> try today if I get the chance, since I've got duplicate ME and XP drives
> in a removable bay.
> I remember a couple of years ago (maybe more) involving BT and Sakis (I
> think)about
> this very bug in the 1st freq slot of the graphic eq.
> RodNope.....but he's got a tow truck.

;o)

"RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:445996b7@linux...
> Does he make house calls?
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:44597904@linux...
> > It may well be spun bearings. I did that to a Mercedes once and the
sound
> > is
> > sorta familiar (shit......I'd forgotten about that, but I'll bet'cha
> > that's
> > what it is. It's got 143000 miles on it. I really like this old truck.
> > It's
> > the perfect size for my needs and gets great gas mileage. The pirates
down
> > at the shop where I took it told me that a new engine costs $6800 plus
20
> > hours @ $70.00 per to install it. He said he could get me a short block
> > for
> > $4000.00. I've already found a long block for $2800.00 (I return the
core
> > in
> > the shipping crate) with a 3 year warranty. I've also found another one
> > with
> > 40K miles for $1300.00. I know that there are other issues that *always*
> > come up and that it's always a crapshoot to do this, but this puppy is
> > paid
> > off and I like it better than the new trucks I've driven recently (Dodge
> > Durango and some Ford thing that I can't remember the name of). Dropping
> > $3k
> > to get a few years more out of this truck would be fine by me. I've not
> > really spent anything on it in 3 years other than for routine
maintenance.
> > I know guys in this town who can literally yank the engine and install a
> > rebuilt engine in 8 hours. They are the best of the best and are on
> > permanent retainer to maintain multimillion dollar engines that power
the
> > big Halliburton equipment that is used in drilling and completing gas
> > wells.
> > One of these guys has a complete machine shop and could probably just
fix
> > it
> > better than it was when it was new. He also repairs farm equipment
(those
> > giant, incredibly expensive harvesters/combines/bailing machines) and
just
> > abount anything you can think of. He's got it all and could repair
> > something
> > like this blindfolded.
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> > "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> > news:44597032$1@linux...
> >> Got a oil pressure gauge on that Honda? You might also check the
harmonic
> >> balancer, make sure it isn't trying to spin off the crank and into the
> >> radiator (ack!). As I recall my ex had one of these SUV's and it
started
> >> puffing blue at less than 100k, and apparantly ( her ex wrecked it for
> >> her... long story ) those motors have a bit of a history with oil
> >> pressure
> >> and spun bearings when I started asking around.
> >>
> >> Hopin for the best man,
> >> AA
> >>
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> news:44596cab$1@linux...
> >> >> What does "sucked a valve" mean?
> >> >
> >> > It's an old Texas generality meaning "I'm not sure WTF is going on
> >> > until
> > I
> >> > look but copuld be either a broken valve, burned valve, a worn or
> >> > broken
> >> > camshaft, bent or worn out push rods bad hydraulic lifters or some
> >> > combination of all of the above. It could be even
worse.....crankshaft
> >> > woes.
> >> > All fluid levels are normal, but when I accellerate it sounds like a
> > small
> >> > jackhammer is doing a number under the hood. It gets louder until I
get
> > to
> >> > between 2500 and 3000 RPM, then it stops when the automatic tranny
> > shifts,
> >> > then it stops....then when the RPM's have dropped below 2500 RPM, it
> >> > starts
> >> > again. I haven't noticed any power loss, but it's not good, whatever
it
> >> > is............so for now, it's a sucked valve. I did notice it
blowing
> >> > a
> >> > little bit of blue smoke this morning, but it was cold and I was
> > thinking
> >> > condensation.
> >> >
> >> > ;oP
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:44596730$1@linux...
> >> >> So many dogs need major surgery these days, especially the ones who
> >> >> are
> >> >> pure-breeds, or close there-to.
> >> >>
> >> >> You own two of the world's biggest lap-dogs, Deej.
> >> >>
> >> >> What does "sucked a valve" mean?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:44595a69@linux...
> >> >> > Sucked a valve in my Honda Passport today. Also, my puppy
> >> >> > Crashbasket
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > gettin' a major hitch in his gitalong and is probably gonna need a
> > hip
> >> >> > replacement pretty soon.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >
clicketyclackclicketyclackclicketyclackclicketyclackclickety clackclicketycla
> >> >> > ck.....woofwoof!!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Maybe I can find a shop to do a two'fer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ;oP
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> >> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>Dear Aaron,
Yes all over !

I know this finding might seem as unusable but this is an indication to me
at least that Paris reacts different under Me than XP.
So maybe except that extreme Eq setting there is also subtle difference in
sound when using onboard effects as well as DX/VST.
Regards,
Dimitrios

"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>I'm full on XP here, but I have a removable sled. I could build another

>drive if today goes like I think it's going to. (Home sick)
>You got the same result all over?
>
>AAWhat do you mean by "backwards"?
Rod
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Is it just me, on a side note, or does the backwards EQ implimentation still

>make anyone else nuts?
>
>AA
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:445a00fb$1@linux...
>>
>> OK, I have been out of the loop since yesterday. I'm going to give this
a
>> try today if I get the chance, since I've got duplicate ME and XP drives
>> in a removable bay.
>> I remember a couple of years ago (maybe more) involving BT and Sakis (I

>> think)about
>> this very bug in the 1st freq slot of the graphic eq.
>> Rod
>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>Dear Aaron,
>>>I arrised misunderstanding here and a huge on !!
>>>
>>>NO PLUGIN neither native nor EDS !!
>>>
>>>Just PLAIN Paris onboard eq.
>>>You know the graphic eq !!
>>>
>>>Whatever else you have found on XP that is strange opposed to Me please
>> take
>>>note.
>>>We have to gather that info.
>>>
>>>I hope I made a little bit clearier now.
>>>right ?
>>>Rgards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>Dimitrios, just to be clear.. you are inserting the Paris VST EQ into
a
>>>
>>>>native slot, only on the 1st slot does this phenomenon happen? Does it
>>
>>>>change if you move channels around? I noticed that in XP the aux leak
bug
>>>
>>>>seems to have died a deserved death, and I'm wondering if this is somehow
>>>
>>>>related.
>>>>
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>>>>news:4459f001$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Again to not confuse anyone as I do sometimes I guess, aferall English
>>>is
>>>>> not my native language...
>>>>>
>>>>> I just LOADED in the audio bin one wavefile.
>>>>> So there is not any recording involved.
>>>>> Secondly, levels are the same under Xp and Me ONLY the BIGEQ FIRST
EQ
>>>SLOT
>>>>> has this "bug" or feature ??
>>>>> When you select HIGHPASS and put something around 250hz ( I know it

>>>>> will
>>>>> be the same for other frequencies) and the output level is set at
>>>>> maximum,
>>>>> UNDER ME there is a HOT HOT output well into severe "tube" distortion
>>>
>>>>> thing
>>>>> as opposed to XP which remains natural (well some distortion there

>>>>> too).
>>>>> PLease note ONLY the forst EQ slot behaves like this !!!
>>>>> I could not replicate this effect with other eq slots.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes I believe the Paris drivers may make Paris act differently, maybe
>>>XP
>>>>> drivers are better ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I don't know what other things "sound" different beetween the
two
>>>but
>>>>> I am willing to investigate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps a little bit more.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> DimitriosBy th

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/> > again. I haven't noticed any power loss, but it's not good, whatever it
> is............so for now, it's a sucked valve. I did notice it blowing a
> little bit of blue smoke this morning, but it was cold and I was thinking
> condensation.
>
> ;oP
>
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:44596730$1@linux...
>
>>So many dogs need major surgery these days, especially the ones who are
>>pure-breeds, or close there-to.
>>
>>You own two of the world's biggest lap-dogs, Deej.
>>
>>What does "sucked a valve" mean?
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>news:44595a69@linux...
>>
>>>Sucked a valve in my Honda Passport today. Also, my puppy Crashbasket is
>>>gettin' a major hitch in his gitalong and is probably gonna need a hip
>>>replacement pretty soon.
>>>
>>>
>>
> clicketyclackclicketyclackclicketyclackclicketyclackclickety clackclicketycla
>
>>>ck.....woofwoof!!
>>>
>>>Maybe I can find a shop to do a two'fer.
>>>
>>>;oP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>D....I did the test. Your right man, xp doesn't distort the same way as ME
on the setting you described. I'm still testing, but I can hear the difference,
it's pretty big. I tested on eds 1 and eds 2. Same result. I will post later
after I test more and do some nulling tests but, I can tell there's a difference
right now.
Rod
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Dear Aaron,
>Yes all over !
>
>I know this finding might seem as unusable but this is an indication to
me
>at least that Paris reacts different under Me than XP.
>So maybe except that extreme Eq setting there is also subtle difference
in
>sound when using onboard effects as well as DX/VST.
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>I'm full on XP here, but I have a removable sled. I could build another
>
>>drive if today goes like I think it's going to. (Home sick)
>>You got the same result all over?
>>
>>AAOh yeah, I double checked my outputs. they're the same on ME as XP. I'm using
the spdif out into a Benchmark DAC, word clock'd to a Lucid GenX. The only
difference is, I set my Monitor outs to zero, (I use a passive volume control
for final level) because I thought your -12 might be playing into the equation,
but it still was a WAY different type and amount of distortion.
Good sleuthing, dude!
Rod
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>D....I did the test. Your right man, xp doesn't distort the same way as
ME
>on the setting you described. I'm still testing, but I can hear the difference,
>it's pretty big. I tested on eds 1 and eds 2. Same result. I will post later
>after I test more and do some nulling tests but, I can tell there's a difference
>right now.
>RodThank you for testing pal !
Regards,
Dimitrios

"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>D....I did the test. Your right man, xp doesn't distort the same

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t;>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Here is the second wave mono file for Me.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Please read previous post tounderstand.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Me neither, I'd go as far as to say...not possible.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Martin Harrington
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message
> >news:44598399$1@linux...
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand how the OS could make a difference
> at
> >> all
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with regard to the sound an application produces.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not calling you a liar, but I sure would like you to
> >elaborate
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or provide some kind of basis for your statements if
you
> >> can.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neil
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thats right !
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We are talking here about the Paris graphic eq.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I would like anyone's input here.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have made the test almost ten times !
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Changing the cad disk bay from XP to Me and loading the
> >same
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>project
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>on
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both...
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just to be clear. there is the Paris eds eq, Paris vst
> >> &g

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t;>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>emulation
> >> >>>>>>>> of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eds
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eq (by Matt Craig), Freak Q, and Barb-A-Q. Which of
those
> >> >>are
> >> >>>>>> you
> >> >>>>>>>>>> talking
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>about?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rod
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What's Paris "Big" EQ?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I think I remember checking this when I switched to
> xp
> >> and
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>files
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nulled
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(I'm pretty anal about this stuff)but it's been so
long
> >> >I
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>can't
> >> >>>>>>>> say
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>for
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sure.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The memory starts going. If I get some time I will
check
> >> >>it
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>again.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rod
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In order not to confuse anyone here is my exact
test.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On a four card Paris system I loaded a B3 tune for
> 3-4
> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>seconds
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>playing
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>aloop on a Paris audio track.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I pushed the level up to 10and had submix -8.1
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I was monitoring via monitor outputs and had the
> >monitor
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>level -12.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No on Paris BigEqI had thsi filter highpass at 260Hz
> >and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lowpass
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>at
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>5247,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trimmer AT FULL 20 !!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This makes all the diffrence now beetween Me and XP.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Under XP even at +20 the sound becomes nowhere as
> >distorted
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(well
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>bad
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>distortion)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and the volume stays overall the same as with the
BigEq
> >> >>OFF.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The trimmer works because lowering it the volume
lowers
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>

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;>>>>>>>>itself
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>too.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now on Me with closed EQ we have the same sound (is
> it
> >> >?)
> >> >>>> but
> >> >>>>>>>> when
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>eq
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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>>engaged with that full +20 there is sever distortion
> >and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>loudness
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fatness.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Go figure...
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Can please someone with both XP and Me partitions
check
> >> >>this
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>please
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When I was first using Me for some months and then
> >switched
> >&

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gt; >>>>>> to
> >> >>>>>>>> XP
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>I
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>remember
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that the sound was different to my ears but I said
> to
> >> myself
> >> >>>>>>

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audio drive, reinstall logic and drag all the audio files into new
> templates and reassemble the tunes. which kinda sucks as there are as
> many as 40-50 plugins per song. crap...Man Rick, not again!!! Is it possible someone put a voodoo curse on you
using Macs? ;>) I'm a very satisfied Mac user, but if I had half the
troubles you've had with them, I'd stay at least 50 feet away. Sorry, to
hear about it. I hope you can work it out.

Tony


"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:445a5332@linux...
> ......sooooo......this is a Mac, right?
>
> (sorry man......really sorry)
>
>
> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:s7ik52plsbnjjqjf1aei245e2jginau23m@4ax.com...
>> it's best not to take logic iso files back and forth between the two
>> as whatever coding there is for the mactel does not sit well for the
>> ppc core duo variety. it not only corrupts the files on the audio
>> drive but also corrupts the provided logic templates on the boot
>> drive. so it looks like i'll have to delete all the song files off
>> the audio drive, reinstall logic and drag all the audio files into new
>> templates and reassemble the tunes. which kinda sucks as there are as
>> many as 40-50 plugins per song. crap...
>
>You can turn that feature off on the Dock. No big deal! Mac running OSX
do not crash. OS 9 did not have protected memory/dynamiclly allocated memory,
so you have to manually give each program enough memory to run the task
it is doing. If you don't do that, the program will crash and 85% of the
time take the OS with it. Unfortunately PC users don't know that and even
worse, most Mac users didn't know it either! That is why people think Macs
crash. It's a lack of knowledge.

This was the one thing on OS 9 that was not automatic. But you could do
other cool things, like set up extension preference sets in Extensions manager.
In other words, you could have one set for audio work, one for video work,
etc, and have your system quickly optimized. Things we didn't have to set
up or mess with were, .dll files, setting IRQs, viruses, worms, etc, just
to name a few. All of those things PC users have to fuss with. On OSX
we still don't have to deal with all that.

It's kind of funny, if some hack creates a virus for the Mac it's big news,
if a hunderd viruses come out today for the PC, most likely you will not
even hear about it.

Like Tony said 99.9% of the stuff in the Mac bash video is bullshit! It
comes from ignorance. Anyways, use what works for you!

Some of the Apple videos, are not accurate either. All tung in cheek; )



James

P.S. I'm also a PC user: )


"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>Sorry Dubya. This one was "ducked" years ago. 99.9% of this stuff never

>happened any Mac user I know. Maybe he was working on a pre-beta hacked

>version of OSX or something. ?? The thing about the Dock is true though.
>
>Anyway, talk about irony. I was reading this on my PC here at work. I looked

>at the Apple commercials (cute, I thought), then looked at the link in your

>email. Oops! Outlook Express decides it doesn't like something and locks.
I
>mean a hard lock! I barely got control-alt-delete to bring up the task
>manager so I could shut OE down. Anyway, got it to close, re-opened and
BAM!
>Locks again. Another control-alt-delete and close. This time I decide to

>reboot the whole machine. So far so good. Anyway, I just thought it was

>funny based on the Mac commercial.
>
>I use both Mac's and PC's with great success. They both have their
>idiosyncrasies. I did find that most of the anti-PC commercials on Apple's

>site had more truths in them than that old anti-Mac spoof. Who really cares

>though? Use what works for you.
>
>Tony
>
>
>
>"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@integrity.com> wrote in message
>news:445a3b6b$1@linux...
>> Duck this:
>>
>> http://www.ancientspear.com/mac.wmv
>>
>> Dubya
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4459a0c4$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Some are amusing, some are not. I liked the Viruses, LOL!
>>>
>>> Sorry guys I couldn't resist.
>>>
>>> Videos:
>>> http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/getamac
>>>
>>> Ducking for cover; )
>>
>>
>
>Anyone mixing in Mexico? heheWhat's it like 100 lines of code? If someone wants to write it down
I'll type it up! hehe sorryHey good luck with your dog...


"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>So many dogs need major surgery these days, especially the ones who are
>pure-breeds, or close there-to.
>
>You own two of the world's biggest lap-dogs, Deej.
>
>What does "sucked a valve" mean?
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:44595a69@linux...
>> Sucked a valve in my Honda Passport today. Also, my puppy Crashbasket
is
>> gettin' a major hitch in his gitalong and is probably gonna need a hip
>> replacement pretty soon.
>>
>>
> clicketyclackclicketyclackclicketyclackclicketyclackclickety clackclicketycla
>> ck.....woofwoof!!
>>
>> Maybe I can find a shop to do a two'fer.
>>
>> ;oP
>>
>>
>>
>
>Good

Excellent editing directly in the project window. Widest range of plug-in
and sound card support since the Steinies wrote the spec everyone uses. Higher
degree of customization possible than most people realize (keyboard shortcuts,
screen sets, etc.). Excellent ReWire support. Vastly improved automation
tools, both capturing mix moves and drawing things manually. The ability
to selectively undo processes on audio clips is fantastic.

Not so good

Company has been getting bounced around for a few years and the app has largely
stood still (see 3.0 upgrade that I couldn't tell from 2.x). Bundled plug-ins
vary from good to totally useless and none is a real home run. MIDI editing
is still done almost exclusively in its own set of windows that haven't changed
much since 1995, which isn't so bad since it was really good back then and
MIDI hasn't changed much. Tempo mapping is still a huge PITA.

Deej and Dedric posted elsewhere about performance stuff that I haven't run
into. In general I like SX a lot, largely becasue I know it very well. I
also use, endorse, adore, am blown away by, and increasingly use nothing
but . . . Live from Ableton.

TCB

"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Guys, along with my consideration of Logic 7.1 (Mac), I am also considering
>the possibility of migrating to Cubase and staying on the PC side.
>
>I'd appreciated any input from Cubase users on what you like/dislike about
>the app.
>
>Thanks!This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C66F9E.8D91B410--You guys are forgetting something:

Can you get the stock EQ to do the same thing, or is it only the 'BIG EQ'?

The reason I'm asking.... Edmund wrote the UI code for the 'Big EQ', and
the 'Big EQ' communicates the parameters to the EDS effect.

It's entirely possible there's a bug in the UI code that is only manifested
under one OS.

ChuckChuck, are you meaning by "stock" not using the graphic, but instead using
the knobs? It's the same eq, just a different way of accessing it, right?
I see what your saying though, I'll check it.
Rod
"Chuck Duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>You guys are forgetting something:
>
>Can you get the stock EQ to do the same thing, or is it only the 'BIG EQ'?
>
>The reason I'm asking.... Edmund wrote the UI code for the 'Big EQ', and
>the 'Big EQ' communicates the parameters to the EDS effect.
>
>It's entirely possible there's a bug in the UI code that is only manifested
>under one OS.
>
>ChuckI LOVE that vid. Got it on my desktop. Really pisses off a couple of my mac
friends.
Rod
"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@integrity.com> wrote:
>Duck this:
>
>http://www.ancientspear.com/mac.wmv
>
>Dubya
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4459a0c4$1@linux...
>>
>> Some are amusing, some are not. I liked the Viruses, LOL!
>>
>> Sorry guys I couldn't resist.
>>
>> Videos:
>> http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/getamac
>>
>> Ducking for cover; )
>
>This may be the case, but the difference, if any, must surely be in the XP
implementation of Paris and NOT XP itself.
The OS cannot have any impact, the program may.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com

"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4459f001$1@linux...
>
> Hi,
> Again to not confuse anyone as I do sometimes I guess, aferall English is
> not my native language...
>
> I just LOADED in the audio bin one wavefile.
> So there is not any recording involved.
> Secondly, levels are the same under Xp and Me ONLY the BIGEQ FIRST EQ SLOT
> has this "bug" or feature ??
> When you select HIGHPASS and put something around 250hz ( I know it will
> be the same for other frequencies) and the output level is set at maximum,
> UNDER ME there is a HOT HOT output well into severe "tube" distortion
> thing
> as opposed to XP which remains natural (well some distortion there too).
> PLease note ONLY the forst EQ slot behaves like this !!!
> I could not replicate this effect with other eq slots.
>
> Yes I believe the Paris drivers may make Paris act differently, maybe XP
> drivers are better ?
>
> Well I don't know what other things "sound" different beetween the two but
> I am willing to investigate.
>
> Hope this helps a little bit more.
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> "Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>Opps I meant to say hotter on the ME file.
>>Damn I need a proffreeder. ;-}
>>
>>
>>"Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Sound like the level is hotter on the XP file. This might be reaching
> a
>>bit,
>>>but have you verified that the levels (pro/semi pro) on the MEC module
> are
>>>set the same between the two. I know that they are saved with the
>>>project,
>>>but could XP somehow be loosing the setting? Have you tried toggling it
>>back
>>>and forth just to see?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Here is the second wave mono file for Me.
>>>>Please read previous post tounderstand.
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>Me neither, I'd go as far as to say...not possible.
>>>>>--
>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>
>>>>>"Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:44598399$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't understand how the OS could make a difference at all
>>>>>> with regard to the sound an application produces.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not calling you a liar, but I sure would like you to elaborate
>>>>>> or provide some kind of basis for your statements if you can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thats right !
>>>>>>>We are talking here about the Paris graphic eq.
>>>>>>>I would like anyone's input here.
>>>>>>>I have made the test almost ten times !
>>>>>>>Changing the cad disk bay from XP to Me and loading the same project
>>>on
>>>>>> both...
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Just to be clear. there is the Paris eds eq, Paris vst emulation of
>>>the
>>>>>>>eds
>>>>>>>>eq (by Matt Craig), Freak Q, and Barb-A-Q. Which of those are you
> talking
>>>>>>>>about?
>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What's Paris "Big" EQ?
>>>>>>>>>I think I remember checking this when I switched to xp and the
>>>>>>>>>files
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>nulled
>>>>>>>>>(I'm pretty anal about this stuff)but it's been so long I can't say
>>>>for
>>>>>>>>sure.
>>>>>>>>>The memory starts going. If I get some time I will check it again.
>>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In order not to confuse anyone here is my exact test.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On a four card Paris system I loaded a B3 tune for 3-4 seconds
>>>>>>>>>>playing
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>aloop on a Paris audio track.
>>>>>>>>>>I pushed the level up to 10and had submix -8.1
>>>>>>>>>>I was monitoring via monitor outputs and had the monitor
>>>>>>>>>>level -12.
>>>>>>>>>>No on Paris BigEqI had thsi filter highpass at 260Hz and lowpass
>>at
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>5247,
>>>>>>>>>>trimmer AT FULL 20 !!
>>>>>>>>>>This makes all the diffrence now beetween Me and XP.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Under XP even at +20 the sound becomes nowhere as distorted (well
>>>bad
>>>>>>>distortion)
>>>>>>>>>>and the volume stays overall the same as with the BigEq OFF.
>>>>>>>>>>The trimmer works because lowering it the volume lowers itself
>>>>>>>>>>too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Now on Me with closed EQ we have the same sound (is it ?) but when
>>>>eq
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>engaged with that full +20 there is sever distortion and loudness
>>>and
>>>>>>>fatness.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Go figure...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Can please someone with both XP and Me partitions check this
>>>>>>>>>>please
>>>>?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>When I was first using Me for some months and then switched to XP
>>>I
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>remember
>>>>>>>>>>that the sound was different to my ears but I said to myself well,
>>>>yor
>>>>>>>>ears
>>>>>>>>>>must be wrong...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Now that makes me wonder if many things act differently under XP!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I made some heavy tests here...
>>>>>>>>>>>Paris eds effects react different (sound different) under Me than
>>>>in
>>>>>>>XP.
>>>>>>>>>>>Now that is most interesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>I checked with a B3 file and Big Eq from Paris.
>>>>>>>>>>>Turning all the way up to 20 under Me gave a fat distorted sound.
>>>>>>>>>>>XP !
>>>>>>>>>>>Overall Me (well Paris under Me) sounds fatter and distorts more
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>easily...
>>>>>>>>>>>Please if you have a second bay disk with me and Xp try a file
> to
>>>>hear
>>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>>>you get ...
>>>>>>>>>>>I am very very curious and shocked...
>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Ahhh..a voice of reason.
Hi Chuck..
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com

"Chuck Duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:445a7235@linux...
>
> You guys are forgetting something:
>
> Can you get the stock EQ to do the same thing, or is it only the 'BIG EQ'?
>
> The reason I'm asking.... Edmund wrote the UI code for the 'Big EQ', and
> the 'Big EQ' communicates the parameters to the EDS effect.
>
> It's entirely possible there's a bug in the UI code that is only
> manifested
> under one OS.
>
> Chuck"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>How about in Windows for
>workgroups or on Mac ?

Where can I download the driver for Windows For Workgroups 3.11? ;o)

Cheers,
Kim.Wow, for what started out as a comedy thread, some folks can sure get goin'
on the serious side to the exclusion of any of the comedic value intended.
I still think it's funny and I have MAC-centric friends who vouch for and
laugh at the referenced MAC downsides. And it does have them.... just like
PC and MACs will always have them.

Dubya

"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:445a6370$1@linux...
>
> You can turn that feature off on the Dock. No big deal! Mac running OSX
> do not crash. OS 9 did not have protected memory/dynamiclly allocated
> memory,
> so you have to manually give each program enough memory to run the task
> it is doing. If you don't do that, the program will crash and 85% of the
> time take the OS with it. Unfortunately PC users don't know that and even
> worse, most Mac users didn't know it either! That is why people think
> Macs
> crash. It's a lack of knowledge.
>
> This was the one thing on OS 9 that was not automatic. But you could do
> other cool things, like set up extension preference sets in Extensions
> manager.
> In other words, you could have one set for audio work, one for video work,
> etc, and have your system quickly optimized. Things we didn't have to set
> up or mess with were, .dll files, setting IRQs, viruses, worms, etc, just
> to name a few. All of those things PC users have to fuss with. On OSX
> we still don't have to deal with all that.
>
> It's kind of funny, if some hack creates a virus for the Mac it's big
> news,
> if a hunderd viruses come out today for the PC, most likely you will not
> even hear about it.
>
> Like Tony said 99.9% of the stuff in the Mac bash video is bullshit! It
> comes from ignorance. Anyways, use what works for you!
>
> Some of the Apple videos, are not accurate either. All tung in cheek; )
>
>
>
> James
>
> P.S. I'm also a PC user: )
>
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>Sorry Dubya. This one was "ducked" years ago. 99.9% of this stuff never
>
>>happened any Mac user I know. Maybe he was working on a pre-beta hacked
>
>>version of OSX or something. ?? The thing about the Dock is true though.
>>
>>Anyway, talk about irony. I was reading this on my PC here at work. I
>>looked
>
>>at the Apple commercials (cute, I thought), then looked at the link in
>>your
>
>>email. Oops! Outlook Express decides it doesn't like something and locks.
> I
>>mean a hard lock! I barely got control-alt-delete to bring up the task
>>manager so I could shut OE down. Anyway, got it to close, re-opened and
> BAM!
>>Locks again. Another control-alt-delete and close. This time I decide to
>
>>reboot the whole machine. So far so good. Anyway, I just thought it was
>
>>funny based on the Mac commercial.
>>
>>I use both Mac's and PC's with great success. They both have their
>>idiosyncrasies. I did find that most of the anti-PC commercials on Apple's
>
>>site had more truths in them than that old anti-Mac spoof. Who really
>>cares
>
>>though? Use what works for you.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@integrity.com> wrote in message
>>news:445a3b6b$1@linux...
>>> Duck this:
>>>
>>> http://www.ancientspear.com/mac.wmv
>>>
>>> Dubya
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4459a0c4$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Some are amusing, some are not. I liked the Viruses, LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Sorry guys I couldn't resist.
>>>>
>>>> Videos:
>>>> http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/getamac
>>>>
>>>> Ducking for cover; )
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>I just checked that. It does the same thing...distorts wildly under ME but
only mildly distorts under xp using the stock eq UI, just like the Big EQ
UI.
Rod
"Chuck Duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>You guys are forgetting something:
>
>Can you get the stock EQ to do the same thing, or is it only the 'BIG EQ'?
>
>The reason I'm asking.... Edmund wrote the UI code for the 'Big EQ', and
>the 'Big EQ' communicates the parameters to the EDS effect.
>
>It's entirely possible there's a bug in the UI co

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t you are more than half way there.
> >>I'm listening,
> >>Tom
> >> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
> >>news:445c1990$1@linux...
> >>
> >>
> >> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it,
> =
> >>or you
> >> don't.
> >>
> >> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but
> >=
> >>then
> >> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
> >> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
> >>
> >> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to =
> >>shell it
> >> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the =
> >>bargain
> >> of the century.
> >>
> >> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person
> >=
> >>who
> >> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or =
> >>developed
> >> it, later? Is it possible?
> >>
> >> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody =
> >>can develop
> >> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key
> >=
> >>it's
> >> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start =
> >>imagining
> >> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are,
> >=
> >>and
> >> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound
> >=
> >>like
> >> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within =
> >>about
> >> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably lis

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/> >>>news:445c1f01@linux...
>>>> Kim,
>>>>
>>>> I can tune a guitar (A=440hz) without any reference. I can do it
>>>> consistently, from scratch.
>>>>
>>>> If you hit middle C on a piano, I wouldn't have a clue what it was.
>>>>
>>>> I think there may be degrees of pitch recognition....then again, I'm

>>>> also
>>>> colorblind in that I can see differences in the color spectrum but I

>>>> can't
>>>> tell you the names of the colors......ie.......grass is red, unless

>>>> there
>>
>>>> is
>>>> a red reference that I can see....then I can tell it is green.......same
>>>> scenario with green and grey, blue and purple, brown and green and the
>>
>>>> list
>>>> goes on.
>>>>
>>>> Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it,
>> or
>>>> you
>>>>> don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but
>>
>>>>> then
>>>>> he's in the business of convincing people of that:
>>>>> http://www.perfectpitch.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell
>>
>>>>> it
>>>>> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the
>>>>> bargain
>>>>> of the century.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person
>> who
>>>>> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or
>>>>> developed
>>>>> it, later? Is it possible?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody
can
>>>> develop
>>>>> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key
>>
>>>>> it's
>>>>> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start
>>>>> imagining
>>>>> chords on

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t; > Here are the specs:
> > ASUS A8N SLI Deluxe MOBO
> > AMD X2 4800
> > Corsair XMS 3500LL pro 1024 x4
> > PC Power and cooling 850
> > WD Raptor 74 x2
> > x-fi sound card
> >
> > Help please, I am stumped as to what to do
> >
> > Comment from Callandor
> > Date: 01/20/2006 09:38AM PST
> > Comment
> >
> > If you cannot get into the BIOS and resetting it with the motherboard
> > jumper
> > doesn't change anything, I would say you have a serious problem with
your
> > motherboard. You should always be able to perform these two operations,
> > and
> > a defective motherboard is what would prevent it. The only other thing
I
> > can suggest is to strip it down to the minimum of motherboard, cpu,
video
> > card, and RAM, in case another component is interfering with the
process.
> > If you are using SLI, try it in single configuration and insert any
> > placeholder cards that may be necessary for such operation.
> >
> > Comment from SenseiJM
> > Date: 01/20/2006 10:00AM PST
> > Author Comment
> >
> > Thanks, that is my suspicion also (bad motherboard), However, and my
> > apologies for not being to clear on this, I can get it to work for a
> > while.
> > Here is the process.
> >
> > Unplug computer and push and hold on/off switch for 5-6 seconds
> > remove battery on MOBO and clear CMOS (reverts to the most updated BIOS
> > Asus
> > has out for the A8N32 SLI DELUXE.
> > After placing Jumper back in normal position have to wait at least 5-10
> > minutes (if I follow Manufacturer spec and immediately replace Battery I
> > get
> > the Message again).
> > After 10 Minutes I replace battery (leave case open) and start
> >
> > This seems to work every time and after resetting the clock I have no
> > problems for a while. Then I plug something in or close the case and
> > bam!!!
> > I get hit with the message.
> >
> > This does not seem to be in any way related to Windows XP PRO sp2 as it
> > happens before windows loads. I have seen on the net that this "over
> > current" situation is a protection for the circuitry. Just seems a
stupid
> > thing to do each and every time it happens to have to clear the CMOS.
> >
> > Any other ideas?
> > Thanks in advance
> > cheers
> >
> > Accepted Answer from Callandor
> > Date: 01/20/2006 10:21AM PST
> > Grade: A
> > Accepted Answer
> > It sounds like you are performing a CMOS reset each time. Is your power
> > supply ok? Have you tried a different one, in case there's something
> > wrong
> > with it? It could also be a short of your motherboard against the case,
> > with the motherboard being flexed when you connect something or close
the
> > case.
> >
> > Comment from IanTh
> > Date: 01/20/2006 11:18AM PST
> > Comment
> > have y

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even died in his sleep early this morning after a couple of truly
> peaceful days. He woke once, Thursday evening, and found himself
> surrounded by friends and family. He talked sleepily with all of us,
> understood he was deeply loved, and told us he had been flying in a
> wonderful and amazing place without pain. He woke again early Friday
> morning and was as clear, strong, and aware as he had been in his
> healthiest days. He told me he had been in "a place beautiful beyond
> my life," told me he wanted to die and go back there, and fell into a
> final sleep.
>
> The world is a poorer place without him. Please carry him in your
> thoughts, hearts, and prayers.
>
> Thank you all for being there for him and for me."
> ______________________________________________
>
> DJ
>
>
>
>On Sun, 7 May 2006 14:13:38 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:

>I was futs forwared an e-mail that was sent to a mutual friend by Steven's
>wife and forwarded to me, as follows:
>_______________________________________________
>"Steven died in his sleep early this morning after a couple of truly
>peaceful days. He woke once, Thursday evening, and found himself
>surrounded by friends and family. He talked sleepily with all of us,
>understood he was deeply loved, and told us he had been flying in a
>wonderful and amazing place without pain. He woke again early Friday
>morning and was as clear, strong, and aware as he had been in his
>healthiest days. He told me he had been in "a place beautiful beyond
>my life," told me he wanted to die and go back there, and fell into a
>final sleep.
>
>The world is a poorer place without him. Please carry him in your
>thoughts, hearts, and prayers.
>
>Thank you all for being there for him and for me."
>______________________________________________
>

Wow. Didn't realize he had been ill, but then we haven't heard from
him around here for a long time.

Whatever your beef with ID, SSC was an interesting cat, to say the
least.

Condolences to his family.

pabBut the SSC we know is spelled Stephen. There is another SSC according to
Google (Steven). Misspelling in translation? Any other info?

On 5/7/06 2:13 PM, in article 445e5614@linux, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:

> I was futs forwared an e-mail that was sent to a mutual friend by Steven's
> wife and forwarded to me, as follows:
> _______________________________________________
> "Steven died in his sleep early this morning after a couple of truly
> peaceful days. He woke once, Thursday evening, and found himself
> surrounded by friends and family. He talked sleepily with all of us,
> understood he was deeply loved, and told us he had been flying in a
> wonderful and amazing place without pain. H

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Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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>
>
>
>
> "cUjo" <CHris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
> news:445eb2f0$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Yeah, that seems really cheap is it the 1968?
>>
>>
>> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>I swear by Fletcher's Mercenary Editions. I've delt with him for years,
>> and
>>>he a true gear guru.
>>>
>>>My Great River Mercenary stuff is the best, it don't get no better. I've
>>>never used the 1969, but the folks who swear by it are unimpeachable, and
>>>LUUUUUV to get my hands on one.
>>>
>>>Having said such, that's an awfully low price for one in good
>>>condition....
>>>
>>>Jimmy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Rob Arsenault" <mani2@NOSPAMnbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:445e9a12$1@linux...
>>>> Anyone using this one? I can pick one up for $1500.00 CA.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.mercenaryeditions.com/drawmer1969.shtml
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Not long at all. I had a couple of crashes last night so I've still got some
tweaking to do with the registry and system services. Thing is, the tweaks
that worked with SP1 don't really work with SP2 and Cubase won't initialize.
I've already got a fully screwed up system image Ghosted that I need to
reverse engineer.

;o)


"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jn2u5292uvgs4biumbq4ruontn9t5uhol2@4ax.com...
> so...how long til you try to screw it up???
>
> ;o)
>
>
>
> On Sun, 7 May 2006 18:06:41 -0600, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >Here's the formula for achieving success with 3 x RME HDSP PCI cards
> >(drivers are v2.94(3), 4 x UAD-1 cards (v4.2), an ASUS A8V Deluxe mobo,
4G
> >RAM,.AMD XP4200 dual core CPU, a Matrox P750 graphics card and a 13 slot
> >Magma chassis.
> >
> >First of all, use the 1014 BIOs for the mobo. This gets rid of the USB
over
> >current *feature* that rears it's ugly head with the 1017 bios.
> >
> >Install all Win XP updates except the .NET 2.0 framework (use the 1.1
> >framework)
> >
> >Update the Matrox P750 driver and bios, then use the Matrox sysutil 1805
to
> >*downgrade* the Matrox BIOS so the Splash screen and mobo BIOS can be
viewed
> >properly without upgrading to the ASUS 1017 BIOS from hell.
> >
> >Install the 2 x RME HDSP 9652's in PCI slots 2 & 3.
> >
> >Install the Magma host card in PCI slot #4
> >
> >In the Magma chassis, the slot assignments are as follows:
> >1.-UAD-1
> >2.
> >3. RME Multiface PCI
> >4.
> >5. UAD-1
> >6.
> >7.
> >8. UAD-1
> >9.
> >10.
> >11.
> >12. UAD-1
> >13.
> >
> >I'm playing back a 31 track project with a 98% UAD-1 resource load with
the
> >buffers set to 512k (6ms). No crackling in the audio.........at
all......and
> >no dropouts or glitching. System isn't even breathing hard.
> >
> >This is with my system marginally opt

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Re: Bye Paris - group future... [message #66798 is a reply to message #66788] Sat, 15 April 2006 13:12 Go to previous message
rick is currently offline  rick   UNITED STATES
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> > > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The current Intel duo laptops are in G5 performance territory, the
> > >>>>> comparison I've heard is aprox equal to a dual 2K G5. By the time
I
> > > need
> > >>>>> a new laptop they should be at or better than my dual 2.5K G5.
> Sweet!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It's interesting to hear that restarting the audio driver
> temporarily
> > >>>>> fixed the soft synth dropout problem for you when you were running
> the
> > >>>>> MSWindows version of Logic. As for rebooting the machine, that has
> > > never
> > >>>>> been necessary under OSX (good thing too!), you just have to
reload
> > > the
> > >>>>> project which is still an interruption, so I'm glad to see the bug
> > >>>>> finally acknowledged and addressed in Logic 7.2.1.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I ordered the required 7.2 update which arrives on Wednesday. Then
I
> > >> can
> > >>>>> apply the 7.2.1 download and see if the problem is truly fixed.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If so, you may want to check out Logic again, it's come a long,
long
> > >> way
> > >>>>> since the MSWindows version. Of course there's always room for
> > >>>>> improvement, but over the last few years they have streamlined
some
> of
> > >>>>> the interface and added a lot of good to great plugins covering a
> very
> > >>>>> comprehensive range of studio tools and instruments. It's an
> > > impressive
> > >>>>> package and (assuming this fix is successful) well worth
> considering.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>> -Jamie
> > >>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> LaMont wrote:
> > >>>>>> To me(imho),
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Logic Audio has lost a lot of it's "shine" over the last couple
of
> > > years.
> > >>>>>> When Apple dropped PC support, the momentum it was gaining drew
to
> > > astop.
> > >>>>>> Ahh, this is where companies like Digidesign, who were pretty
much
> an
> > >>>> Apple
> > >>>>>> first company, saw an oppertunity to gain user market share, and
> thus
> > >>>> grow
> > >>>>>> the company.
> > >>>>>> Now, since Apple dropped PC support, DAW apps like Cubase,
Nuendo,
> &
> > >> Sonar
> > >>>>>> & dare I say even Pro-Tools 7x give PC users pretty cool midi
> > > composing
> > >>>> options
> > >>>>>> as well as stellar Audio recording, miixng & VSti implementation.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> But, I think Apple may be on to something with thie Dual booted
> Intel
> > >>>> Macs..
> > >>>>>> Now, it makes since to plop down $$ for a Mac, since it's not a
one
> > >> trick
> > >>>>>> pony. No one wants to admitt it, but those Mac users who are
> running
> > >> Logic
> > >>>>>> version 7.x, now realize that unless they are using a Dual
G5(2.7)
> or
> > >>>> Quads,
> > >>>>>> then using logic 7.x is not as smooth as advertised. It pains me
to
> > >> se
> > >>>> friend
> > >>>>>> run out and buy Powerbooks in hopes of "emualting" a Dual G5
> > > performance,
> > >>>>>> only to experience "bandwidth" chokes, or worse, stalled , slow
> > > performance.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Oh yeah, you can throw MOTU in with apple. All of the above
applies
> > >> to
> > >>>> them
> > >>>>>> as well.. Bottom line, these days, even with pirating, it's just
> not
> > &

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