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| Re: EDS chorus on insert ? [message #58503 is a reply to message #58493] |
Mon, 26 September 2005 14:13   |
Tom Bruhl
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>>>apart on the rear wall and just drywall on the front, for the "live
>>>end/dead end" effect. Sounds great in the mix position but is just a tad
>>
>>>boomy outside of that.
>>>
>>>I used the software SMAART to anylize the room but the traps I'd need
>>>would take up too much space. The problem is that the boom goes up as
>>>you get close to the foam wall.
>>>
>>>For me an eq won't help because the mix position is fine, so I think
>>>I'll do some mixes there over the weekend and if they sound fine. Still,
>>
>>>I don't know what I'll do if they are bass-wonky.
>>>
>>>jef
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>>>Mike wrote:
>>>> Has anyone analyzed their control room and had success with adjustments?
>>Ive
>>>> never done this and not sure if its for me.
>>>>
>>>> 1) What did you use to analyze it?
>>>> 2) How did you know what to do to fix problems?
>>>> 3) What did you do to fix the problems?
>>>>
>>>> I guess Im wondering if it is worth it to buy an analyzer like the Rane
>>RA27
>>>> or something - or - would I be better off just learning my room as is.
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>Kim, Marshall TSL / JCM2000 SPDT momentary switch part no. is
SWTP-00047, and latching switch (for your "hold" switches) is
SWTP-00046. These part numbers are from Electric Factory, who
distribute all Marshall and Vox products in Australia. I
recommend that you order thru a retailer who sells a lot of
Marshall amps, such as Venue Music (Sydney), Pro Audio (Canberra)
or a big guitar shop in Melbourne. If you're stuck, I can order
them but may not get delivery until the end of November due to
my small turnover (I am in Darwin N.T.) The momentary has an
additional advantage: it is SPDT, which means it is easier to
wire as an "interrupt" switch with the latching "hold" switches
you mention in your original post. LOL >simmo
"simmo" <simmo@bigfoot.com.au> wrote:
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>yes, not as sturdy as the best latching switches usually used
>for "true bypass" switching of footpedals, but momentary foot
>switches seem to be rarer than duck's teeth lately. Marshall
>have some for their TSL amp footswitches, but I've replaced a
>few of them for customers over the last couple years, and
>they're much more expensive too. They look like conventional
>footswitches though, with a metal button and lock nuts for
>mounting. I'll find a Marshall part no. and get back to you.
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
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>>Hmm... I did already check Jaycar. Didn't see those parts though. Do you
>>think that big rubber one would be ok for foot use? It certainly seems
suitable
>>size and shape wise, but I'm wondering if the plastic would b
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| Re: EDS chorus on insert ? [message #58508 is a reply to message #58503] |
Mon, 26 September 2005 16:28 |
zmora
Messages: 88
Registered: August 2005
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s two video cards so it can support two monitors. But one of the video
> cards provides a DVI digital connection that, according to Apple, works
> better
> with the newest Apple displays, such as their 20-inch $800 display. My
> local
> Apple salesman claims therefore that the Apple display with the DVI
> connection
> will be superior in quality to any typical PC-world display with a VGA
> connection.
>
> My question: Which is better for monitoring Paris--two 17" or 19" displays
> (costing $1,000 or so together) of decent quality or one 20" display
> (costing
> $800) of marginally better quality?
>
> Many thanks,
> Richard Faylor
>
> RichardFaylor@aol.com
> (208) 343-7681
>I'd be interested in this mod as well since I have two very early models
with low serials.
Dubya
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:43437c2d@linux...
> Dear Rod,
> I will try to send a picture...
> Yes the foam has already been taken out from the very first day !
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:43427c04$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey Dimitrios, is there an way you could send me a picture of the
>> specific
>> mod that you did?
>> Rod
>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>> >AT4033 is my best female mic !
>> >I have never had any better results using other mic on females with
>> >great
>> >timbre.
>> >I have done though a minor mod on this mic.
>> >I have bypassed output electrolytic cap (a ver good one anyway) with MIT
>> 0.1
>> >polyester cap.
>> >Great great detail....
>> >Regards,
>> >Dimitrios
>> >"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:43420979$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Nah, this one I really gotta save some penny's for.
>> >> >I was thinking of the Tony Arnold Helios stuff.
>> >> >Neil are you still a big 4033 fan?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I think the 4033's are great mics, although I no longer have my
>> >> pair - awhile ago I got a Kiwi instead that I found on sale,
>> >> and I'm waiting to find another one (at something less than
>> >> street price), and that will then be my main LDC pair.
>> >>
>> >> Neil
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>Can you get enough resolution out of an LCD TV?
"Mike" <spamthis@alltel.net> wrote:
>This is better!
> https://www.bestbuyplasma.com/Plasma/Product.asp_X_sku_Y_LT3 2HV
>
>I just got one and all I can say is WOW! Especially with the DVI!
>
>Then I have an 18" flat panel over to the side for displaying plug-ins
>though really not required.
>
>Mike
>
>"Richard Faylor" <RichardFaylor@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:434fc1ba$1@linux...
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> I've bought a used Mac G4 to use with Paris that has more horsepower than
>> my previous Mac G3. Now I have to make a decision about displays. The
G4
>> has two video cards so it can support two monitors. But one of the video
>> cards provides a DVI digital connection that, according to Apple, works
>> better
>> with the newest Apple displays, such as their 20-inch $800 display. My
>> local
>> Apple salesman claims therefore that the Apple display with the DVI
>> connection
>> will be superior in quality to any typical PC-world display with a VGA
>> connection.
>>
>> My question: Which is better for monitoring Paris--two 17" or 19" displays
>> (costing $1,000 or so together) of decent quality or one 20" display
>> (costing
>> $800) of marginally better quality?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Richard Faylor
>>
>> RichardFaylor@aol.com
>> (208) 343-7681
>>
>
>I would vote for two displays... way more desktop area.
Dave.
Richard Faylor wrote:
> Richard,
>
> I've bought a used Mac G4 to use with Paris that has more horsepower than
> my previous Mac G3. Now I have to make a decision about displays. The G4
> has two video cards so it can support two monitors. But one of the video
> cards provides a DVI digital connection that, according to Apple, works better
> with the newest Apple displays, such as their 20-inch $800 display. My local
> Apple salesman claims therefore that the Apple display with the DVI connection
> will be superior in quality to any typical PC-world display with a VGA connection.
>
> My question: Which is better for monitoring Paris--two 17" or 19" displays
> (costing $1,000 or so together) of decent quality or one 20" display (costing
> $800) of marginally better quality?
>
> Many thanks,
> Richard Faylor
>
> RichardFaylor@aol.com
> (208) 343-7681
>Hi,
I heave to sell a Control 16 ,EDS-1000, Interface 2, Interface 442 with Paris
2.2.
Any one?"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>If you have to pull it apart, you may find this useful.
>AA
....But a PITA....be careful with those little LEDs
James
>
>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:434f0010$1@linux...
>> Swen has a couple sticky C-16 mute buttons. They work, but they're sticky.
>> I
>> think a very small amount of splashed beer may be the culprit. It's a
>> bizarre tale involving a beer that was dropped onto the floor 4-6 feet
>> away
>> from the mixing area. The beer landed upright, but shot a stream of beer
>> up
>> into the air, and a few drops landed on the mute buttons on channels 15
&
>> 16.
>>
>> Any way to easily clean? Spray a little contact cleaner in there?
>>
>> Jimmy
>>
>>
>
>
>FYI
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dog. Arrf, arrf. Get off my lawn! ;>)
Tony
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:43501aa0$1@linux...
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FYI
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JamesYou guys DO know that's not their mix buss compressor, right?
Neil
"Tony Benson" <t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a m p t o n.c o m> wrote:
>Goodie for me! I guess I should wait to hear the thing though. Maybe it's
a
>dog. Arrf, arrf. Get off my lawn! ;>)
>
>Tony
>
>
>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:43501aa0$1@linux...
>Mac only...
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> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4350185b$1@linux...
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> FYI
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> http://aes.harmony-central.com/119AES/Content/SSL/PR/LMC-1.h tml
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> James
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>Yes, but it's free and it says SSL in big letters at the top of the screen.
How impressive! Seriously, it's free, so what the heck.
Tony
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:43502183$1@linux...
>
> You guys DO know that's not their mix buss compressor, right?
>
> Neil
>
>
> "Tony Benson" <t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a m p t o n.c o m> wrote:
>>Goodie for me! I guess I should wait to hear the thing though. Maybe it's
> a
>>dog. Arrf, arrf. Get off my lawn! ;>)
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:43501aa0$1@linux...
>>Mac only...
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:4350185b$1@linux...
>>
>> FYI
>>
>> http://aes.harmony-central.com/119AES/Content/SSL/PR/LMC-1.h tml
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>2 is always better than 1, unless you use the large cinema display from
apple.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Richard Faylor" <RichardFaylor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:434fc1ba$1@linux...
>
> Richard,
>
> I've bought a used Mac G4 to use with Paris that has more horsepower than
> my previous Mac G3. Now I have to make a decision about displays. The G4
> has two video cards so it can support two monitors. But one of the video
> cards provides a DVI digital connection that, according to Apple, works
> better
> with the newest Apple displays, such as their 20-inch $800 display. My
> local
> Apple salesman claims therefore that the Apple display with the DVI
> connection
> will be superior in quality to any typical PC-world display with a VGA
> connection.
>
> My question: Which is better for monitoring Paris--two 17" or 19" displays
> (costing $1,000 or so together) of decent quality or one 20" display
> (costing
> $800) of marginally better quality?
>
> Many thanks,
> Richard Faylor
>
> RichardFaylor@aol.com
> (208) 343-7681
>Does Paris work better with Athlon or Pentium. It seems as though Pentiums
are actually cheaper, but I've noticed a lot of people in this group are
using Athlons. I think I read that one gig of ram is enough for XP. Does the
speed of the ram matter much. Also, are there any motherboard considerations
other than many PCI slots. I'm trying to upgrade and want to keep the cost
down. I've got a two card system with one UAD-1 card. I'm not rigging it to
any other machines or midi or anything.
Suggestions would be great. Thanks in advance.
Barry"Tony Benson" <t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a m p t o n.c o m> wrote:
>Yes, but it's free and it says SSL in big letters at the top of the screen.
>How impressive! Seriously, it's free, so what the heck.
Agreed - go for it... if I had a Mac, I'd try it out... I'm just
pointing out that it's not "the" SSL compressor.
Neil2, definitely. I'm using 3 and wanting a 4th, but that's probably nature of
my desires with tech. I'll never go back to a single display if that tells
you anything. Also, get familiar with views in Paris, they are most
definitely your best friend to help manage the desktop real estate in paris.
AA
"Richard Faylor" <RichardFaylor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:434fc1ba$1@linux...
>
> Richard,
>
> I've bought a used Mac G4 to use with Paris that has more horsepower than
> my previous Mac G3. Now I have to make a decision about displays. The G4
> has two video cards so it can support two monitors. But one of the video
> cards provides a DVI digital connection that, according to Apple, works
> better
> with the newest Apple displays, such as their 20-inch $800 display. My
> local
> Apple salesman claims therefore that the Apple display with the DVI
> connection
> will be superior in quality to any typical PC-world display with a VGA
> connection.
>
> My question: Which is better for monitoring Paris--two 17" or 19" displays
> (costing $1,000 or so together) of decent quality or one 20" display
> (costing
> $800) of marginally better quality?
>
> Many thanks,
> Richard Faylor
>
> RichardFaylor@aol.com
> (208) 343-7681
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Richard,
I thought Brian's setup with four was cherry.
I might go there someday. Right now 2 x 21"
is still great with macros. =20
I help another Paris friend who hasn't gone to macros
and I am s-o m-u-c-h s-l-o-w-e-r with his system.
Tom
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------=_NextPart_000_0340_01C5D103.AB44FF60--It's the talkback compressor??? Gee, I'm impressed.
;oP
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:435031e0$1@linux...
>
> "Tony Benson" <t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a m p t o n.c o m> wrote:
> >Yes, but it's free and it says SSL in big letters at the top of the
screen.
>
> >How impressive! Seriously, it's free, so what the heck.
>
> Agreed - go for it... if I had a Mac, I'd try it out... I'm just
> pointing out that it's not "the" SSL compressor.
>
> NeilRichard,
I'll be the vote for the other side. I have a single 20" and love the
1600X1200. Can see a whole bunch of the mixer at that resoltion.
Haven't found a 19" that has that (for a reasonable price). Of course,
I picked up my 20 pretty cheap. My second will likely be a 19" when I
get around to it.
Just my two cents (or $449 + Sshipping)
JH
Richard Faylor wrote:
> Richard,
>
> I've bought a used Mac G4 to use with Paris that has more horsepower than
> my previous Mac G3. Now I have to make a decision about displays. The G4
> has two video cards so it can support two monitors. But one of the video
> cards provides a DVI digital connection that, according to Apple, works better
> with the newest Apple displays, such as their 20-inch $800 display. My local
> Apple salesman claims therefore that the Apple display with the DVI connection
> will be superior in quality to any typical PC-world display with a VGA connection.
>
> My question: Which is better for monitoring Paris--two 17" or 19" displays
> (costing $1,000 or so together) of decent quality or one 20" display (costing
> $800) of marginally better quality?
>
> Many thanks,
> Richard Faylor
>
> RichardFaylor@aol.com
> (208) 343-7681
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>FYI
>
> http://aes.harmony-central.com/119AES/Content/SSL/PR/LMC-1.h tml
>
>James
I downloaded the plug and it sounds convincing for that particular drum sound…
squashed to hell and severely band limited. Not bad for free.
The new version of Stylus RMX comes with a similar effect that has much more
tweekability (Word?).
Put “Tape Slammer” in an insert. Start with the preset “SSL talkback Mic
Comp” (which is very over done). Turn Saturate down to about 4, Threshold
down to about 8 and turn up the gain a little. This will get you close to
the real SSL sound and give you lots of options.
GeneIve got mine running at 1280x1024
Not only a TV - its also designed to be a monitor.
"George Axon" <georgeaxon@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:434ff990$1@linux...
>
> Can you get enough resolution out of an LCD TV?
>
>
> "Mike" <spamthis@alltel.net> wrote:
>>This is better!
>> https://www.bestbuyplasma.com/Plasma/Product.asp_X_sku_Y_LT3 2HV
>>
>>I just got one and all I can say is WOW! Especially with the DVI!
>>
>>Then I have an 18" flat panel over to the side for displaying plug-ins
>>though really not required.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>"Richard Faylor" <RichardFaylor@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:434fc1ba$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> I've bought a used Mac G4 to use with Paris that has more horsepower
>>> than
>>> my previous Mac G3. Now I have to make a decision about displays. The
> G4
>>> has two video cards so it can support two monitors. But one of the video
>>> cards provides a DVI digital connection that, according to Apple, works
>
>>> better
>>> with the newest Apple displays, such as their 20-inch $800 display. My
>
>>> local
>>> Apple salesman claims therefore that the Apple display with the DVI
>>> connection
>>> will be superior in quality to any typical PC-world display with a VGA
>
>>> connection.
>>>
>>> My question: Which is better for monitoring Paris--two 17" or 19"
>>> displays
>>> (costing $1,000 or so together) of decent quality or one 20" display
>>> (costing
>>> $800) of marginally better quality?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Richard Faylor
>>>
>>> RichardFaylor@aol.com
>>> (208) 343-7681
>>>
>>
>>
>Mike,
From what you wrote, I'm assuming you're using a 32" Olevia Flat-Screen LCD
display with an Apple computer that has a video card providing a DVI connection
to the LCD, correct? I went to the Website you recommended--that is a terrific
price for a 32" screen!. I also went to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVI
to study up a bit on the DVI-LCD combo and indeed read that "computers with
DVI video connectors can use many DVI-equipped HDTV sets as display." It
also said that "the vast majority [of LCD screens] are no longer just for
TV and HDTV (DVB). They can also be used as a computer monitor with a VGA/DVI
signal, although resolution support can vary widely." My concern is "support."
I thought, perhaps mistakenly, that no matter what display you use, you have
to have some software (delivered via CD) to coordinate the computer output
with the display. I've also assumed that that support comes with the display.
Did the Olevia come with software specifically designed to work with an Apple
computer? Regardless of the answer to that question, do you feel that the
Olevia is producing a high-quality image? In addition, to working in Paris
I do a lot of writing, so the display's ability to produce crisp, clear text
(which I've been told is the real test of a display) is very important to
me. Does the Olevia pass that test? Also, is it your opinion that the Olevia
is better than most other LCD screens, or are they all roughly equivalent?
Sorry for asking so many questions. Many thanks!
--Richard Faylor
RichardFaylor@aol.com
"Mike" <spamthis@alltel.net> wrote:
>This is better!
> https://www.bestbuyplasma.com/Plasma/Product.asp_X_sku_Y_LT3 2HV
>
>I just got one and all I can say is WOW! Especially with the DVI!
>
>Then I have an 18" flat panel over to the side for displaying plug-ins
>though really not required.
>
>Mike
>
>"Richard Faylor" <RichardFaylor@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:434fc1ba$1@linux...
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> I've bought a used Mac G4 to use with Paris that has more horsepower than
>> my previous Mac G3. Now I have to make a decision about displays. The
G4
>> has two video cards so it can support two monitors. But one of the video
>> cards provides a DVI digital connection that, according to Apple, works
>> better
>> with the newest Apple displays, such as their 20-inch $800 display. My
>> local
>> Apple salesman claims therefore that the Apple display with the DVI
>> connection
>> will be superior in quality to any typical PC-world display with a VGA
>> connection.
>>
>> My question: Which is better for monitoring Paris--two 17" or 19" displays
>> (costing $1,000 or so together) of decent quality or one 20" display
>> (costing
>> $800) of marginally better quality?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Richard Faylor
>>
>> RichardFaylor@aol.com
>> (208) 343-7681
>>
>
>Well thanks Jimmy ;O). Hope this get's it working. On my spdif devices, I
just look to the monitoring of the hardware device itself for levels.
Cheers,
Deej
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:434f2ae9@linux...
> We'll try it.
>
> Deej, you're a gentleman.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:434f0980@linux...
> > Make sure the inputs and outputs are both patched. also, If it's s/pdif,
> > chances are that he won't see a thing on the meters. None of my spdif
> > devices show signal on the Paris aux meters. Have him set the device to
> full
> > wet and solo the return. That will tell him if anything is happening.
> >
> > Deej
> >
> > "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:434eff73$1@linux...
> > > Hi, all.
> > >
> > > My buddy Swen abd I have both succesfully clocked our Paris rigs to
> Lucid
> > > clocks. Yay!
> > >
> > > I have not yet tried to route digital signals to external FX boxes,
but
> > Swen
> > > has, with no luck. He says that when he patches an FX send to a
digital
> > > output in the Paris patchbay, there's no signal on the mixer aux
> channel.
> > > The same basic patch works with an analog output engaged, just not the
> > > digital.
> > >
> > > His Kurzweil KSP8 shows lock to the Lucid, and Paris locks perfectly
as
> > > well.
> > >
> > > Any knowledge?
> > >
> > > Jimmy
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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Same deal with my setup. No meters in the
aux bus returns using SPdif.
Tom
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
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Well thanks Jimmy ;O). Hope this get's it working. On my spdif =
devices, I
just look to the monitoring of the hardware device itself for levels.
Cheers,
Deej
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:434f2ae9@linux...
> We'll try it.
>
> Deej, you're a gentleman.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:434f0980@linux...
> > Make sure the inputs and outputs are both patched. also, If it's =
s/pdif,
> > chances are that he won't see a thing on the meters. None of my =
spdif
> > devices show signal on the Paris aux meters. Have him set the =
device to
> full
> > wet and solo the return. That will tell him if anything is =
happening.
> >
> > Deej
> >
> > "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:434eff73$1@linux...
> > > Hi, all.
> > >
> > > My buddy Swen abd I have both succesfully clocked our Paris rigs =
to
> Lucid
> > > clocks. Yay!
> > >
> > > I have not yet tried to route digital signals to external FX =
boxes,
but
> > Swen
> > > has, with no luck. He says that when he patches an FX send to a
digital
> > > output in the Paris patchbay, there's no signal on the mixer aux
> channel.
> > > The same basic patch works with an analog output engaged, just =
not the
> > > digital.
> > >
> > > His Kurzweil KSP8 shows lock to the Lucid, and Paris locks =
perfectly
as
> > > well.
> > >
> > > Any knowledge?
> > >
> > > Jimmy
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0384_01C5D147.79AA6320--Does it work in paris and what directx do i need?4 is nice. the Dell P1110 21" CRT's have two analog inputs and a switch on
the front so that you can just switch between two computers. My Paris DAW
and SX DAW are both running Matrox G450's (PCI and AGP). My mobos both are
identical and have PCI slots that are hardwired to the AGP slots and the
G450's have the same driver so there is no driver conflict/ IRQ trainwreck.
I have tested both DAWs CPU usage with and without the PCI video card. The
CPU hit of the PCI video card is negligable as long as major screen drags
aren't done while tracking or mixing. Running 2 x dual head video cards and
four monitors with the ability to switch DAWs between the monitors is simple
and fun for the whole family.
;o)
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:43504ec5@linux...
> 2, definitely. I'm using 3 and wanting a 4th, but that's probably nature
of
> my desires with tech. I'll never go back to a single display if that tells
> you anything. Also, get familiar with views in Paris, they are most
> definitely your best friend to help manage the desktop real estate in
paris.
>
> AA
>
>
> "Richard Faylor" <RichardFaylor@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:434fc1ba$1@linux...
> >
> > Richard,
> >
> > I've bought a used Mac G4 to use with Paris that has more horsepower
than
> > my previous Mac G3. Now I have to make a decision about displays. The G4
> > has two video cards so it can support two monitors. But one of the video
> > cards provides a DVI digital connection that, according to Apple, works
> > better
> > with the newest Apple displays, such as their 20-inch $800 display. My
> > local
> > Apple salesman claims therefore that the Apple display with the DVI
> > connection
> > will be superior in quality to any typical PC-world display with a VGA
> > connection.
> >
> > My question: Which is better for monitoring Paris--two 17" or 19"
displays
> > (costing $1,000 or so together) of decent quality or one 20" display
> > (costing
> > $800) of marginally better quality?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Richard Faylor
> >
> > RichardFaylor@aol.com
> > (208) 343-7681
> >
>
>Do any Mac people have experience w/ Waves 3.6 and Paris? I've
been using Waves 3.2 w/ no significant problems, but I tried V.3.2
and Paris crashed, so I've been sticking w/ 3.2. I'm curious about
V.3.6, which is the last OS 9 compatible update...
Thanks!
GanttI'm spending a dreary Saturday afternoon doing some studio chores and cranking
some lovely lovely music from a band that some of you may not know much about:
Big Star
BIg Star's main man was Alex CHilton who is more famous perhaps as the 17
year old singer of "The Letter" and"Cray Like A Baby" a member of The Box
Tops
Although recorded at Aredent in '72 and some a bit later, the engineerign
is still almost unmatched, I had met Jim Dikinson a few years back (Jim engineered
Big Star's Third) he told me that Engineer John Fry put everything he had
into the making of these records and pretty much gave up after them.
The songs, the playing and the sound are marvelous.
My good friend Phil Aiken will bakc me up on this, check em out if you have
not.
Start whith #1 Record and Radio City as "third" is a bit dreary.
http://www.rykodisc.com/Catalog/CatalogArtist_01.asp?Action= Get&Artist_ID=21Oh and the theme to "that 70's show" "In the Street" is a Big Star song.
"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>I'm spending a dreary Saturday afternoon doing some studio chores and cranking
>some lovely lovely music from a band that some of you may not know much
about:
>Big Star
>
>BIg Star's main man was Alex CHilton who is more famous perhaps as the 17
>year old singer of "The Letter" and"Cray Like A Baby" a member of The Box
>Tops
>
>Although recorded at Aredent in '72 and some a bit later, the engineerign
>is still almost unmatched, I had met Jim Dikinson a few years back (Jim
engineered
>Big Star's Third) he told me that Engineer John Fry put everything he had
>into the making of these records and pretty much gave up after them.
>
>
>The songs, the playing and the sound are marvelous.
>
>My good friend Phil Aiken will bakc me up on this, check em out if you have
>not.
>Start whith #1 Record and Radio City as "third" is a bit dreary.
>
> http://www.rykodisc.com/Catalog/CatalogArtist_01.asp?Action= Get&Artist_ID=21
>
>...if I have a L/R set of tracks (say a stereo piano sound, for
example) on indivudal tracks, vs. a stereo interleaved track,
and I insert a plugin on each of the L/R tracks, does it take
twice as much CPU power to use that same plugin in two
instances than it would if I were using a stereo interleaved
piano track & inserted the same plugin in a singular stereo
instance? Or is it the same amount of CPU power regardless
because it sees the stereo insertion as two instances of that
plugin?
The reason I ask is that I am maxing out my CPU with a couple
of songs that have high track counts - If I go to insert another
CPU-hungry plugin it starts to bog down, and I've always used
separate tracks for any L/R sound (as oppsoed to a stereo track)
just for the conveniece of being able to change the degree of
pan on one channel or another, and alos being able to make
slightly different EQ settings on the left vs. right side, if
needed... however, am I costing myself badly-needed cycles by
doing this?
Neil"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>Oh and the theme to "that 70's show" "In the Street" is a Big Star song.
Performed by Cheap trick, however.......
All the Big Star studio records are indeed fantastic.Either way will work. Paris lends itself to using two monitors, one for
mixer and one for tracks.
But if you use other apps they may be better on one larger monitor, for
example Final Cut Pro is great with a nice wide monitor for the
timeline. FYI Dell has a 24" wide screen that offers a fair amount of
bang/buck (when on sale it's between $800-1000), and at something around
1920x1280, a decent amount of screen real estate, full on HDTV res.
Cheers,
-Jamie K
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Richard Faylor wrote:
> Richard,
>
> I've bought a used Mac G4 to use with Paris that has more horsepower than
> my previous Mac G3. Now I have to make a decision about displays. The G4
> has two video cards so it can support two monitors. But one of the video
> cards provides a DVI digital connection that, according to Apple, works better
> with the newest Apple displays, such as their 20-inch $800 display. My local
> Apple salesman claims therefore that the Apple display with the DVI connection
> will be superior in quality to any typical PC-world display with a VGA connection.
>
> My question: Which is better for monitoring Paris--two 17" or 19" displays
> (costing $1,000 or so together) of decent quality or one 20" display (costing
> $800) of marginally better quality?
>
> Many thanks,
> Richard Faylor
>
> RichardFaylor@aol.com
> (208) 343-7681
>Off the top of my head, I would say yes.
You're processing 2 files, (dual mono), 2 plugins, as opposed to one stereo
file and one plugin.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Neil" <OIUIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:435189c3$1@linux...
>
> ..if I have a L/R set of tracks (say a stereo piano sound, for
> example) on indivudal tracks, vs. a stereo interleaved track,
> and I insert a plugin on each of the L/R tracks, does it take
> twice as much CPU power to use that same plugin in two
> instances than it would if I were using a stereo interleaved
> piano track & inserted the same plugin in a singular stereo
> instance? Or is it the same amount of CPU power regardless
> because it sees the stereo insertion as two instances of that
> plugin?
>
> The reason I ask is that I am maxing out my CPU with a couple
> of songs that have high track counts - If I go to insert another
> CPU-hungry plugin it starts to bog down, and I've always used
> separate tracks for any L/R sound (as oppsoed to a stereo track)
> just for the conveniece of being able to change the degree of
> pan on one channel or another, and alos being able to make
> slightly different EQ settings on the left vs. right side, if
> needed... however, am I costing myself badly-needed cycles by
> doing this?
>
> NeilI'm not sure what people are recommending lately. But, I think its safe to
say that Paris will run fine with either Athlons or Pentiums. On the mobo
questions, you might do a search of the newsgroup to see what other's have
used with success. I've been using the Asus A7S333. Its a stable board,
but picky about it's ram.
MR
"Sanbar" <sanbar@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>Does Paris work better with Athlon or Pentium. It seems as though Pentiums
>are actually cheaper, but I've noticed a lot of people in this group are
>using Athlons. I think I read that one gig of ram is enough for XP. Does
the
>speed of the ram matter much. Also, are there any motherboard considerations
>other than many PCI slots. I'm trying to upgrade and want to keep the cost
>down. I've got a two card system with one UAD-1 card. I'm not rigging it
to
>any other machines or midi or anything.
>
>Suggestions would be great. Thanks in advance.
>
>Barry
>
>Thanks Phil,
I figured many people around here havn;t heard that stuff which
engineering wise is so ahead of it's time. Sounds like some room micing on
the drums too.
Phil, I gotta talk to you about a Hammond session give me a call if you got
time.
"Phil Aiken" <paiken@partners.org> wrote:
>
>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Oh and the theme to "that 70's show" "In the Street" is a Big Star song.
>
> Performed by Cheap trick, however.......
>
> All the Big Star studio records are indeed fantastic.
>
>
>
>Time for that new dual Opteron with dual core processors.
;o)
"Neil" <OIUIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:435189c3$1@linux...
>
> ..if I have a L/R set of tracks (say a stereo piano sound, for
> example) on indivudal tracks, vs. a stereo interleaved track,
> and I insert a plugin on each of the L/R tracks, does it take
> twice as much CPU power to use that same plugin in two
> instances than it would if I were using a stereo interleaved
> piano track & inserted the same plugin in a singular stereo
> instance? Or is it the same amount of CPU power regardless
> because it sees the stereo insertion as two instances of that
> plugin?
>
> The reason I ask is that I am maxing out my CPU with a couple
> of songs that have high track counts - If I go to insert another
> CPU-hungry plugin it starts to bog down, and I've always used
> separate tracks for any L/R sound (as oppsoed to a stereo track)
> just for the conveniece of being able to change the degree of
> pan on one channel or another, and alos being able to make
> slightly different EQ settings on the left vs. right side, if
> needed... however, am I costing myself badly-needed cycles by
> doing this?
>
> NeilMy old 1" 16 keeps staring at me from the corner of my control room.
I keep wonderiing if I should be tracking drums and bass on it then bouncing
in to Paris..
Is anyone else doing that here?
My problem is my old board is gone. I would need to use Paris as a monitor
portion of a console. I think I'd need to send my pre amps in to tape, open
a Paris project and send the outs of the tape machine there, and send that
to the musicians as a monitor, I wonder if there will be too much latency
and it would screw with perfomances. It seems like this should work though.
Then right after the take, roll it back, hit record on paris, and play the
tape into paris.
Rewind and record over that take for the next song.
Does this sound like it's worth the effort?I used to do this with a TEAC 80-8. I wish I still had it. Latency isn't an
issue. The signal path through the components of the tape machine is faster
than your A/D and D/A conversion so in all likelihood, you will have around
1.2ms latency (the AD/DA latency in Paris).
The way I did it was to patch the preamps directly to the deck, then send
the returns to 8 paris inputs and record them. Sounded great. I also striped
a smpte track to tape and sync'ed Paris to the deck using my old Opcode
Studio 64XTC. If you've got a box with this capability, you'd be goodto go
if you just wanted to lock Paris to the deck. I just didn't like losing a
track to the stripe and actually it worked better, IMO, just to track the
tape returns because I wasn't losing a generation every time I played back
the tape afterwards.
;o)
"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:43526a05$1@linux...
>
>
> My old 1" 16 keeps staring at me from the corner of my control room.
>
> I keep wonderiing if I should be tracking drums and bass on it then
bouncing
> in to Paris..
>
> Is anyone else doing that here?
>
> My problem is my old board is gone. I would need to use Paris as a monitor
> portion of a console. I think I'd need to send my pre amps in to tape,
open
> a Paris project and send the outs of the tape machine there, and send that
> to the musicians as a monitor, I wonder if there will be too much latency
> and it would screw with perfomances. It seems like this should work
though.
>
> Then right after the take, roll it back, hit record on paris, and play the
> tape into paris.
>
> Rewind and record over that take for the next song.
>
> Does this sound like it's worth the effort?Yeah, I wont really need to lock to Paris especially if I track a click to
the tape machine then use the same click in Paris I can visualy line up the
tracks to the click later. But in your method, if I undertand things correctly,
you would not have gotten "tape compression" as you were just getting the
electronic through put? Seems like you;d actually have to record. to get
the tape "sound" or am I wrong?
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I used to do this with a TEAC 80-8. I wish I still had it. Latency isn't
an
>issue. The signal path through the components of the tape machine is faster
>than your A/D and D/A conversion so in all likelihood, you will have around
>1.2ms latency (the AD/DA latency in Paris).
>
>The way I did it was to patch the preamps directly to the deck, then send
>the returns to 8 paris inputs and record them. Sounded great. I also striped
>a smpte track to tape and sync'ed Paris to the deck using my old Opcode
>Studio 64XTC. If you've got a box with this capability, you'd be goodto
go
>if you just wanted to lock Paris to the deck. I just didn't like losing
a
>track to the stripe and actually it worked better, IMO, just to track the
>tape returns because I wasn't losing a generation every time I played back
>the tape afterwards.
>;o)
>
>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:43526a05$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> My old 1" 16 keeps staring at me from the corner of my control room.
>>
>> I keep wonderiing if I should be tracking drums and bass on it then
>bouncing
>> in to Paris..
>>
>> Is anyone else doing that here?
>>
>> My problem is my old board is gone. I would need to use Paris as a monitor
>> portion of a console. I think I'd need to send my pre amps in to tape,
>open
>> a Paris project and send the outs of the tape machine there, and send
that
>> to the musicians as a monitor, I wonder if there will be too much latency
>> and it would screw with perfomances. It seems like this should work
>though.
>>
>> Then right after the take, roll it back, hit record on paris, and play
the
>> tape into paris.
>>
>> Rewind and record over that take for the next song.
>>
>> Does this sound like it's worth the effort?
>
>I usually kept the tape and dumped the the tracks back in at final mixdown,
aligning them with the original tracks and then deleting the original tracks
if I liked the tracks that were recorded to tape better. In this scenario,
you've got options and that is what using the deck is all about. Just the
circuitry is sometimes enough and just running the signals through the tape
recorder, along with Paris' inherent ability to saturate was often
preferable. A lot depended on what type of signal processing I was using on
other instruments. It was a win-win situation either way.
;o)
"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:43527b2f$1@linux...
>
> Yeah, I wont really need to lock to Paris especially if I track a click to
> the tape machine then use the same click in Paris I can visualy line up
the
> tracks to the click later. But in your method, if I undertand things
correctly,
> you would not have gotten "tape compression" as you were just getting the
> electronic through put? Seems like you;d actually have to record. to get
> the tape "sound" or am I wrong?
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I used to do this with a TEAC 80-8. I wish I still had it. Latency isn't
> an
> >issue. The signal path through the components of the tape machine is
faster
> >than your A/D and D/A conversion so in all likelihood, you will have
around
> >1.2ms latency (the AD/DA latency in Paris).
> >
> >The way I did it was to patch the preamps directly to the deck, then send
> >the returns to 8 paris inputs and record them. Sounded great. I also
striped
> >a smpte track to tape and sync'ed Paris to the deck using my old Opcode
> >Studio 64XTC. If you've got a box with this capability, you'd be goodto
> go
> >if you just wanted to lock Paris to the deck. I just didn't like losing
> a
> >track to the stripe and actually it worked better, IMO, just to track the
> >tape returns because I wasn't losing a generation every time I played
back
> >the tape afterwards.
> >;o)
> >
> >"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
news:43526a05$1@linux...
> >>
> >>
> >> My old 1" 16 keeps staring at me from the corner of my control room.
> >>
> >> I keep wonderiing if I should be tracking drums and bass on it then
> >bouncing
> >> in to Paris..
> >>
> >> Is anyone else doing that here?
> >>
> >> My problem is my old board is gone. I would need to use Paris as a
monitor
> >> portion of a console. I think I'd need to send my pre amps in to tape,
> >open
> >> a Paris project and send the outs of the tape machine there, and send
> that
> >> to the musicians as a monitor, I wonder if there will be too much
latency
> >> and it would screw with perfomances. It seems like this should work
> >though.
> >>
> >> Then right after the take, roll it back, hit record on paris, and play
> the
> >> tape into paris.
> >>
> >> Rewind and record over that take for the next song.
> >>
> >> Does this sound like it's worth the effort?
> >
> >
>Howdy,
If you use the repro heads, the sound will go straight on-off tape with
very little time delay. You can use one tape for an entire album this way.
The repro heads stripe to tape, and send back to monitor post tape.
Cheers
"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>Yeah, I wont really need to lock to Paris especially if I track a click
to
>the tape machine then use the same click in Paris I can visualy line up
the
>tracks to the click later. But in your method, if I undertand things correctly,
>you would not have gotten "tape compression" as you were just getting the
>electronic through put? Seems like you;d actually have to record. to get
>the tape "sound" or am I wrong?
>
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>I used to do this with a TEAC 80-8. I wish I still had it. Latency isn't
>an
>>issue. The signal path through the components of the tape machine is faster
>>than your A/D and D/A conversion so in all likelihood, you will have around
>>1.2ms latency (the AD/DA latency in Paris).
>>
>>The way I did it was to patch the preamps directly to the deck, then send
>>the returns to 8 paris inputs and record them. Sounded great. I also striped
>>a smpte track to tape and sync'ed Paris to the deck using my old Opcode
>>Studio 64XTC. If you've got a box with this capability, you'd be goodto
>go
>>if you just wanted to lock Paris to the deck. I just didn't like losing
>a
>>track to the stripe and actually it worked better, IMO, just to track the
>>tape returns because I wasn't losing a generation every time I played back
>>the tape afterwards.
>>;o)
>>
>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:43526a05$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>> My old 1" 16 keeps staring at me from the corner of my control room.
>>>
>>> I keep wonderiing if I should be tracking drums and bass on it then
>>bouncing
>>> in to Paris..
>>>
>>> Is anyone else doing that here?
>>>
>>> My problem is my old board is gone. I would need to use Paris as a monitor
>>> portion of a console. I think I'd need to send my pre amps in to tape,
>>open
>>> a Paris project and send the outs of the tape machine there, and send
>that
>>> to the musicians as a monitor, I wonder if there will be too much latency
>>> and it would screw with perfomances. It seems like this should work
>>though.
>>>
>>> Then right after the take, roll it back, hit record on paris, and play
>the
>>> tape into paris.
>>>
>>> Rewind and record over that take for the next song.
>>>
>>> Does this sound like it's worth the effort?
>>
>>
>Sorry, a bit of a cloudy head today,
Can you clarify this?
Thanks
"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>Howdy,
>
> If you use the repro heads, the sound will go straight on-off tape with
>very little time delay. You can use one tape for an entire album this way.
>The repro heads stripe to tape, and send back to monitor post tape.
>
>Cheers
>
>
>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yeah, I wont really need to lock to Paris especially if I track a click
>to
>>the tape machine then use the same click in Paris I can visualy line up
>the
>>tracks to the click later. But in your method, if I undertand things correctly,
>>you would not have gotten "tape compression" as you were just getting the
>>electronic through put? Seems like you;d actually have to record. to get
>>the tape "sound" or am I wrong?
>>
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>I used to do this with a TEAC 80-8. I wish I still had it. Latency isn't
>>an
>>>issue. The signal path through the components of the tape machine is faster
>>>than your A/D and D/A conversion so in all likelihood, you will have around
>>>1.2ms latency (the AD/DA latency in Paris).
>>>
>>>The way I did it was to patch the preamps directly to the deck, then send
>>>the returns to 8 paris inputs and record them. Sounded great. I also striped
>>>a smpte track to tape and sync'ed Paris to the deck using my old Opcode
>>>Studio 64XTC. If you've got a box with this capability, you'd be goodto
>>go
>>>if you just wanted to lock Paris to the deck. I just didn't like losing
>>a
>>>track to the stripe and actually it worked better, IMO, just to track
the
>>>tape returns because I wasn't losing a generation every time I played
back
>>>the tape afterwards.
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:43526a05$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My old 1" 16 keeps staring at me from the corner of my control room.
>>>>
>>>> I keep wonderiing if I should be tracking drums and bass on it then
>>>bouncing
>>>> in to Paris..
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone else doing that here?
>>>>
>>>> My problem is my old board is gone. I would need to use Paris as a monitor
>>>> portion of a console. I think I'd need to send my pre amps in to tape,
>>>open
>>>> a Paris project and send the outs of the tape machine there, and send
>>that
>>>> to the musicians as a monitor, I wonder if there will be too much latency
>>>> and it would screw with perfomances. It seems like this should work
>>>though.
>>>>
>>>> Then right after the take, roll it back, hit record on paris, and play
>>the
>>>> tape into paris.
>>>>
>>>> Rewind and record over that take for the next song.
>>>>
>>>> Does this sound like it's worth the effort?
>>>
>>>
>>
>This is actually incorrect. On a 3 head R-R machine, the
Sel/Sync head (record head) and the Repro head (playback
head) will produce different results. If you try to record
to tape then play back with the Repro head, you *will* have
a very noticeable delay based on tape speed and the distance
between heads. During record, the electronics pass the
input signal back to the output stage directly. The signal
being output at that point has not been anywhere near the
tape. Only recording in "Repro" mode will do this (with
delay). The frequency response of the Repro head is also
much better as it is optimised for playback, where the
Sel/Sync head is optimised for recording. Also, the
material would have to be transfered off the tape in less
than 8 hours to keep the "sheen" of the analog recording.
Past that point the smallest domains self align as a result
of print-through, eliminating the highest frequencies from
the recording.
David.
Dave Parkin wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> If you use the repro heads, the sound will go straight on-off tape with
> very little time delay. You can use one tape for an entire album this way.
> The repro heads stripe to tape, and send back to monitor post tape.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>>Yeah, I wont really need to lock to Paris especially if I track a click
>
> to
>
>>the tape machine then use the same click in Paris I can visualy line up
>
> the
>
>>tracks to the click later. But in your method, if I undertand things correctly,
>>you would not have gotten "tape compression" as you were just getting the
>>electronic through put? Seems like you;d actually have to record. to get
>>the tape "sound" or am I wrong?
>>
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I used to do this with a TEAC 80-8. I wish I still had it. Latency isn't
>>
>>an
>>
>>>issue. The signal path through the components of the tape machine is faster
>>>than your A/D and D/A conversion so in all likelihood, you will have around
>>>1.2ms latency (the AD/DA latency in Paris).
>>>
>>>The way I did it was to patch the preamps directly to the deck, then send
>>>the returns to 8 paris inputs and record them. Sounded great. I also striped
>>>a smpte track to tape and sync'ed Paris to the deck using my old Opcode
>>>Studio 64XTC. If you've got a box with this capability, you'd be goodto
>>
>>go
>>
>>>if you just wanted to lock Paris to the deck. I just didn't like losing
>>
>>a
>>
>>>track to the stripe and actually it worked better, IMO, just to track the
>>>tape returns because I wasn't losing a generation every time I played back
>>>the tape afterwards.
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:43526a05$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>
>>>>My old 1" 16 keeps staring at me from the corner of my control room.
>>>>
>>>>I keep wonderiing if I should be tracking drums and bass on it then
>>>
>>>bouncing
>>>
>>>>in to Paris..
>>>>
>>>>Is anyone else doing that here?
>>>>
>>>>My problem is my old board is gone. I would need to use Paris as a monitor
>>>>portion of a console. I think I'd need to send my pre amps in to tape,
>>>
>>>open
>>>
>>>>a Paris project and send the outs of the tape machine there, and send
>>
>>that
>>
>>>>to the musicians as a monitor, I wonder if there will be too much latency
>>>>and it would screw with perfomances. It seems like this should work
>>>
>>>though.
>>>
>>>>Then right after the take, roll it back, hit record on paris, and play
>>
>>the
>>
>>>>tape into paris.
>>>>
>>>>Rewind and record over that take for the next song.
>>>>
>>>>Does this sound like it's worth the effort?
>>>
>>>
>Yeah, what I was thinking of doing is actually record on tape, so this should
be the sync head no?, monitoring from the sync head in to paris, then after
the take switch to repro, rewind the tape, hit record in paris, play the
tape, then line the tape tracks up to the click that is in the Paris project.
then move on to the next song.
Will it work?
ALso I wonder if people like bass guitar from tape or digital better.
It may not be worth the effort I dunno.
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>This is actually incorrect. On a 3 head R-R machine, the
>Sel/Sync head (record head) and the Repro head (playback
>head) will produce different results. If you try to record
>to tape then play back with the Repro head, you *will* have
>a very noticeable delay based on tape speed and the distance
>between heads. During record, the electronics pass the
>input signal back to the output stage directly. The signal
>being output at that point has not been anywhere near the
>tape. Only recording in "Repro" mode will do this (with
>delay). The frequency response of the Repro head is also
>much better as it is optimised for playback, where the
>Sel/Sync head is optimised for recording. Also, the
>material would have to be transfered off the tape in less
>than 8 hours to keep the "sheen" of the analog recording.
>Past that point the smallest domains self align as a result
>of print-through, eliminating the highest frequencies from
>the recording.
>
>David.
>
>Dave Parkin wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> If you use the repro heads, the sound will go straight on-off tape
with
>> very little time delay. You can use one tape for an entire album this
way.
>> The repro heads stripe to tape, and send back to monitor post tape.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Yeah, I wont really need to lock to Paris especially if I track a click
>>
>> to
>>
>>>the tape machine then use the same click in Paris I can visualy line up
>>
>> the
>>
>>>tracks to the click later. But in your method, if I undertand things
correctly,
>>>you would not have gotten "tape compression" as you were just getting
the
>>>electronic through put? Seems like you;d actually have to record. to
get
>>>the tape "sound" or am I wrong?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I used to do this with a TEAC 80-8. I wish I still had it. Latency isn't
>>>
>>>an
>>>
>>>>issue. The signal path through the components of the tape machine is
faster
>>>>than your A/D and D/A conversion so in all likelihood, you will have
around
>>>>1.2ms latency (the AD/DA latency in Paris).
>>>>
>>>>The way I did it was to patch the preamps directly to the deck, then
send
>>>>the returns to 8 paris inputs and record them. Sounded great. I also
striped
>>>>a smpte track to tape and sync'ed Paris to the deck using my old Opcode
>>>>Studio 64XTC. If you've got a box with this capability, you'd be goodto
>>>
>>>go
>>>
>>>>if you just wanted to lock Paris to the deck. I just didn't like losing
>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>>track to the stripe and actually it worked better, IMO, just to track
the
>>>>tape returns because I wasn't losing a generation every time I played
back
>>>>the tape afterwards.
>>>>;o)
>>>>
>>>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:43526a05$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>My old 1" 16 keeps staring at me from the corner of my control room.
>>>>>
>>>>>I keep wonderiing if I should be tracking drums and bass on it then
>>>>
>>>>bouncing
>>>>
>>>>>in to Paris..
>>>>>
>>>>>Is anyone else doing that here?
>>>>>
>>>>>My problem is my old board is gone. I would need to use Paris as a monitor
>>>>>portion of a console. I think I'd need to send my pre amps in to tape,
>>>>
>>>>open
>>>>
>>>>>a Paris project and send the outs of the tape machine there, and send
>>>
>>>that
>>>
>>>>>to the musicians as a monitor, I wonder if there will be too much latency
>>>>>and it would screw with perfomances. It seems like this should work
>>>>
>>>>though.
>>>>
>>>>>Then right after the take, roll it back, hit record on paris, and play
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>tape into paris.
>>>>>
>>>>>Rewind and record over that take for the next song.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does this sound like it's worth the effort?
>>>>
>>>>
>>Yes, that will work just fine. Personally, I would hit
record in Paris at the same time. When you are done,
transfer the tape tracks to the same Paris project later in
the timeline. This will allow you to compare easily as to
which tracks you like better. With some slight nudging here
and there, you should also be able to swap tracks back and
fo
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Dimitrios
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do with gear looking *cool* as opposed to what it actually
did. He liked Paris because all of the componentry was black. He actually
preferred certain Earthworks mics over others because they were black.
Recently he floated the floor and bought some tube traps for his home
studio. I ruined his day when i asked him if they were black. They weren't
and he actually called them up to see if thety could be returned for black
ones. I think he actually may try to change their color.
;o)
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message news:4346dc77$1@linux...
>
> This is a Cubase SX3 only comp, so no ME. He also REALLY wants a totally
black
> computer. To the point of when we were discussing CD/DVD writers, his only
> concern was that it was BLACK. 80P'''''
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Rod,
> >I have removable SATAs in my comp. I wanted beige and got them.
> >The second pair I purposely bought black to differentiate them.
> >Sometimes it's a good thing. XP black, ME beige.?.
> >Tom
> > "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =
> >news:4346ab89$1@linux...
> >
> > Yeah, I don't think that would fly anyway. I think I'll just put the =
> >system
> > drive in an internal bay and hook it up directly to the mobo...no =
> >mobile
> > rack. He'll never be changing it anyway.
> > I was trying to give him the option to have an extra system drive to =
> >pop
> > in, in case of failure...since he's not a tech guy at all.
> > Or I may paint it.
> > Rod
> > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Yes but it STILL has to be black...
> > >Tom
> > > "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =3D
> > >news:4346957e@linux...
> > > USB 2.0 External drive bay could be your answer.... they're cheap =
> >too
> > =3D
> > >now.
> > > AA
> > >
> > >
> > > "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message =3D
> > >news:43455e37$1@linux...
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, I'm using a short rounder cable, I've tried several, all =
> >with
> > =3D
> > >the=3D20
> > > > same
> > > > results. I've tried CS. The results are still the same. The guy =
> >is =3D
> > >REALLY
> > > > stuck on wanting the WHOLE computer black, or, I would just use =
> >the
> > =3D
> > >beige
> > > > drive that works.
> > > > I may just put the sys drive in an internal bracket and slap the
> =
> >=3D
> > >cover=3D20
> > > > over
> > > > the hole and call it good, but this kind of bugs me, and I'd like
> =
> >to
> > =3D
> > >
> > > > figure
> > > > it out. I appreciate the suggestions. Keep those cards and =
> >letters =3D
> > >coming.
> > > >
> > > > Rod
> > > >
> > > > EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
> > > >>Are you using a nice "short" high density IDE cable? Try CS mode
> =
> >on
> > > >>the drive to see if this helps also.
> > > >>
> > > >>David.
> > > >>
> > > >>Rod Lincoln wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> they say 66/100/133
> > > >>> Rod
&g
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Tue, 27 September 2005 02:12 |
Dimitrios
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ot;Aaron Allen" <<A=20
> > href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
> >wrote in=20
> > message =3D<BR>>news:4346957e@linux...<BR>> USB 2.0 =
> >External drive=20
> > bay could be your answer.... they're cheap =
> >too<BR>=3D<BR>>now.<BR>> =20
> > AA<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
> > href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@kc.rr.com">rlincoln@kc.rr.com</A>> wrote in =
> >message=20
> > =3D<BR>>news:43455e37$1@linux...<BR>> ><BR>> =
> >> Yeah,=20
> > I'm using a short rounder cable, I've tried several, all=20
> > with<BR>=3D<BR>>the=3D20<BR>> > same<BR>> > =
> >results.=20
> > I've tried CS. The results are still the same. The guy is=20
> > =3D<BR>>REALLY<BR>> > stuck on wanting the WHOLE =
> >computer black,=20
> > or, I would just use the<BR>=3D<BR>>beige<BR>> > drive =
> >that=20
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> >bracket=20
> > and slap the =3D<BR>>cover=3D20<BR>> > =
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> > to<BR>=3D<BR>><BR>> > figure<BR>> > it out. =
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> > ><BR>> > EK Sound <<A=20
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>href=3D"mailto:spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com">spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com</A>=
> >>=20
> > wrote:<BR>> >>Are you using a nice "short" high density =
> >IDE=20
> > cable? Try CS mode on<BR>> >>the drive to see if =
> >this=20
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> >>>David.<BR>> =20
> > >><BR>> >>Rod Lincoln wrote:<BR>> =20
> > >><BR>> >>> they say 66/100/133<BR>> =20
> > >>> Rod<BR>> >>> EK Sound <<A=20
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>href=3D"mailto:spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com">spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com</A>=
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> > >>>>David.<BR>> >>>><BR>> =20
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> > >>><BR>> >>> going<BR>> =20
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> >rack=20
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> >>>>>>Here's the=20
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> > >>><BR>> >>> had<BR>> =20
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> >from a=20
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> >again.=20
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> >like=20
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>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
> You mean just turn it off?
If you can, yeah, try it... I've used one of those MS-16's, but
it was literally almost two decades ago and I can't recall if
it had a hard-bypass on the NR or not (I'm not a big fan of
that dbx NR on those decks - it really lends a certain
unmistakable characteristic to the sound). In any event, if I
were you, I'd try taking an existing track in Paris & slamming
it to tape, then coming back in off the sync head (then nudging
backwards a bit if it needs to be aligned with the original),
and see what you get... good way to test to see if you like the
effect you'll get without having to cut a track specially for
that.
NeilThanks David, I thought I was going a little bonkers reading that last post.
the "sync" head is just that...sync..E/E
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> This is actually incorrect. On a 3 head R-R machine, the Sel/Sync head
> (record head) and the Repro head (playback head) will produce different
> results. If you try to record to tape then play back with the Repro head,
> you *will* have a very noticeable delay based on tape speed and the
> distance between heads. During record, the electronics pass the input
> signal back to the output stage directly. The signal being output at that
> point has not been anywhere near the tape. Only recording in "Repro" mode
> will do this (with delay). The frequency response of the Repro head is
> also much better as it is optimised for playback, where the Sel/Sync head
> is optimised for recording. Also, the material would have to be
> transfered off the tape in less than 8 hours to keep the "sheen" of the
> analog recording. Past that point the smallest domains self align as a
> result of print-through, eliminating the highest frequencies from the
> recording.
>
> David.
>
> Dave Parkin wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> If you use the repro heads, the sound will go straight on-off tape
>> with
>> very little time delay. You can use one tape for an entire album this
>> way.
>> The repro heads stripe to tape, and send back to monitor post tape.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Yeah, I wont really need to lock to Paris especially if I track a click
>>
>> to
>>
>>>the tape machine then use the same click in Paris I can visualy line up
>>
>> the
>>
>>>tracks to the click later. But in your method, if I undertand things
>>>correctly,
>>>you would not have gotten "tape compression" as you were just getting the
>>>electronic through put? Seems like you;d actually have to record. to get
>>>the tape "sound" or am I wrong?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I used to do this with a TEAC 80-8. I wish I still had it. Latency
>>>>isn't
>>>
>>>an
>>>
>>>>issue. The signal path through the components of the tape machine is
>>>>faster
>>>>than your A/D and D/A conversion so in all likelihood, you will have
>>>>around
>>>>1.2ms latency (the AD/DA latency in Paris).
>>>>
>>>>The way I did i
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"Howdy,
If you use the repro heads, the sound will go straight
on-off tape with very little time delay. You can use one
tape for an entire album this way. The repro heads stripe to
tape, and send back to monitor post tape.
Cheers"
Which was incorrect in its terminology of the tape heads...
hence the description I gave.
> As to your comment: “Also, the material would have to be transfered off
> the tape in less than
> 8 hours to keep the "sheen" of the analog recording.” This is correctly
> based on some truisms about tape. Tape will start to loose
> its top end after hundreds of plays or after long periods on the shelf,
> but
> your comment ignores the thousands of good sounding records made using
> analog
> recorders during the last 40 or so years. Most of those records were not
> recorded and mixed in 8 hours. 8 months is more typical.
> Dark Side of the Moon took many months to record and mix and has more real
> “sheen” than any digital pop-rock record I’ve ever heard. I am not talking
> about pumped up “Air”, but true high frequency information.
I understand and appreciate this point. The high frequency
content starts to degrade right away... perhaps not
perceptibly. I agree that there are many wonderful
recordings that have taken years to produce on analog tape,
and still sound amazing. I was simply stressing the need to
transfer sooner during a project, rather than later. If you
have the take you want, why not transfer right away?
>
> It should be obvious that I am a fan of analog tape, and in the absence of
> all-analog recordings, I like to do analog/digital hybrid recordings. I
> have
> often used my Ampex and Rexox 2 tracks just this way.
> I have also had good luck going the opposite way from the common method.
> I have produced several projects that started digital, that I moved to
> analog
> 48 just prior to mixing. Actually I worked that way exclusively for
> several
> years. Next budget that allows… I will go that route again.
> Respectfully,
> Gene
I wish I actually had budgets to work with. Sadly,
recording in our city has gone to the basement... both
literally and figuratively. It has been ages since I had a
really good project to work on. I trust you consider
yourself fortunate to be able to work on projects that you
would even consider do this on.
I miss tape... the smell, the sound, and the limitations
that made musicians work so much harder to get *the take*.
In the cut and paste world we live in, much of our art is
disappearing.
Respect back at ya!
David.
>
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>This is actually incorrect. On a 3 head R-R machine, the Sel/Sync head
>>(record head) and the Repro head (playback head) will produce different
>>results. If you try to record to tape then play back with the Repro head,
>>you *will* have a very noticeable delay based on tape speed and the
>>distance between heads. During record, the electronics pass the input
>>signal back to the output stage directly. The signal being output at that
>>point has not been anywhere near the tape. Only recording in "Repro" mode
>>will do this (with delay). The frequency response of the Repro head is
>>also much better as it is optimised for playback, where the Sel/Sync head
>>is optimised for recording. Also, the material would have to be
>>transfered off the tape in less than 8 hours to keep the "sheen" of the
>>analog recording. Past that point the smallest domains self align as a
>>result of print-through, eliminating the highest frequencies from the
>>recording.
>>
>>David.
>>
>
>I could have sworn that I saw somewhere that only 3 x HDSP PCI cards were
possible.. I'm currently running 2 x HDSP 9652 PCI's and a Multiface/PCI. I
wouldn't mind adding another Multiface/PCI (yeah, I know.......get a
Madi.....I have my reasons not to)..........soooo........I was wondering if,
by any chance, I'm having a senior moment and 4 x HDSP PCI cards can be
utilized.In town for a bit and would love to chat with fellow Parisites.
Rob_AYes, I'm in Dallas right now. My Paris rig is living with my bandmate in
Illinois, though :)
Where are you staying? If you'd like, you could check out the studio I'm
helping my mom get started. We're in Oak Cliff.
Graham
"Rob Arsenault" <info@studiomanitou.com> wrote:
>In town for a bit and would love to chat with fellow Parisites.
>
>Rob_A
>
>I've read numerous times that tape holds it's broadest freq and dynamics for
about 5 seconds and that after 30 seconds, given a means of audible
comparison, there is a noticeable difference. I have never had the
opportunity to run a test but always assumed, based on the profile of the
writers who espouse this notion, that this aspect of tape was accurately
represented. Given a chance, I would lunge, not walk, at an opportunity to
test this.
Dubya
"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
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>
> Hi Dave. a few comments.
> I think it is understood that you would use "Repro" mode to get the tape
> sound and that this will cause tape delay.
> You would NOT be using the sync head in this environment. You record using
> the record head and play back using the play head, so your comments about
> the frequency response of the sync mode are not germane.
> As to your comment:
> "Also, the material would have to be transfered off the tape in less than
> 8 hours to keep the "sheen" of the analog recording."
> This is correctly based on some truisms about tape. Tape will start to
> loose
> its top end after hundreds of plays or after long periods on the shelf,
> but
> your comment ignores the thousands of good sounding records made using
> analog
> recorders during the last 40 or so years. Most of those records were not
> recorded and mixed in 8 hours. 8 months is more typical.
> Dark Side of the Moon took many months to record and mix and has more real
> "sheen" than any digital pop-rock record I've ever heard. I am not talking
> about pumped up "Air", but true high frequency information.
>
> It should be obvious that I am a fan of analog tape, and in the absence of
> all-analog recordings, I like to do analog/digital hybrid recordings. I
> have
> often used my Ampex and Rexox 2 tracks just this way.
> I have also had good luck going the opposite way from the common method.
> I have produced several projects that started digital, that I moved to
> analog
> 48 just prior to mixing. Actually I worked t
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tw=rss.TOP" target="_blank"> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,69115,00.html?tw=r ss.TOP:-) well at least we are keeping our disagreement civil!
I invite you to a test... record a live performance directly to tape,
then transfer it immediately to a digital format. Store the tape
properly for a month and repeat the transfer. Compare the two files
to see if there is a difference. I would be interested in your
observations myself.
DAT absolutely sucks... I am so glad it is finally going away. It
really makes you wonder what really is the best archival format.
I am of the opinion that the whole "tape sound" does have *something*
to do with the heads and electronics as you have mentioned... how much
remains to be seen. It will be interesting to see what DJ learns in
his visit to Portico.
Regards,
David.
gene lennon wrote:
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>Test tapes were recorded at low levels (185-200nWB) on low
>>print tape for this exact reason... to maintain frequency
>>response over time. Taking a roll of 250 or 456 to the edge
>>of its retentivity will produce significant print in just 1
>>day. The finer domains will easily realign to this higher
>>level changing the frequency response of the recorded
>>material... hence my suggestion to get it transfered as soon
>>as possible.
>>
>>Regarding the Portico... I still don't see how having a tape
>>head circuit in the audio path would emulate the tape
>>transfer characteristics of "actual tape". I would love to
>>sit down with Rupert and discuss how he gets it to do this! :-)
>>
>>David.
>>
>
>
> Well, we both agree about what happens to tape. We just disagree about how
> much of an issue it is and over what period of time.
> Last year, concerned about saving some old 2” tapes, I finally converted
> them to digital. Most were 15 years old or older. The tapes that were well
> recorded 20 years ago still sounded good. I didn’t bake them or anything.
> Just a few passes back and forth before I did the transfers. I didn’t even
> see any obvious flaking. Ironically, most of my old DAT tapes are useless.
> I hope CDR and DVD longevity is better.
>
> The Portico is interesting. If it works as promised, it implies that much
> of the “tape sound” is actually from over saturating the record head as opposed
> to saturating the tape. That would stand everything I was ever told on its
> head if it’s true.
> Gene
>Awesome. I'm on board. I am afraid that ID has been behaving VERY poorly the
last few years.
I would testify at the hearing, on general principle alone.
Jimmy
"Fred Bloggs" <ParisUsers@defender.com> wrote in message
news:4353c206$1@linux...
>
> I could not help but note that ID takes longer and longer to actually get
> back to purchasers requesting unlock codes with the passing of time -
which
> is expected and a natural progression of events.
> This could be a way to push the inevitable end of product support into
something
> more kind for end users.
> -------------------
> Something you need cracked? Tell the Copyright Office
> 8 October 2005 18:50 by Dela
>
> The U.S. Copyright Office is conducting a periodic review of anti-cracking
> provisions set in the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), and is
seeking
> feedback from the public on what you would like to see cracked and why. If
> there is a genuine reason why you think something should be allowed to he
> cracked, the office might just allow it. Congress mandated that the
register
> of Copyrights revisit the anti-circumvention section every three years to
> ensure that consumers have proper access to things they have purchased.
>
> Last time around, the office allowed the bypassing of copy protection on
> computer games available only in obsolete formats, cracking ebooks copy
protection
> so that blind people can use software to read it out, cracking of web
filtering
> software to view the list of blocked sites and cracking computer programs
> protected by a "dongle" that is malfunctioning. The office will take
written
> submissions through December 1st and will accept rebuttals until February
> 2nd 2006.
>
> After this time has passed, beginning in April the office will hold two
sets
> of hearings. Basically, if the copyright office can be convinced that
something
> copy protected prevents fair use of the work, then it might allow the copy
> protection to be circumvented legally. "I suspect that we will hear
shortly
> from people who feel they have not been able to use copyrighted materials
> because of the DMCA," said Ralph Oman, an intellectual property attorney
> and former register of copyrights.
>
> Source:
> Wired
>
> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,69115,00.html?tw=r ss.TOP"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>I'm spending a dreary Saturday afternoon doing some studio chores and cranking
>some lovely lovely music from a band that some of you may not know much
about: Big Star
>
>BIg Star's main man was Alex CHilton who is more famous perhaps as the 17
>year old singer of "The Letter" and"Cray Like A Baby" a member of The Box
>Tops
>
>Although recorded at Aredent in '72 and some a bit later, the engineerign
>is still almost unmatched, I had met Jim Dikinson a few years back (Jim
engineered
>Big Star's Third) he told me that Engineer John Fry put everything he had
>into the making of these records and pretty much gave up after them.
>
>The songs, the playing and the sound are marvelous.
>
>My good friend Phil Aiken will bakc me up on this, check em out if you have
not.
>Start whith #1 Record and Radio City as "third" is a bit dreary.
>
> http://www.rykodisc.com/Catalog/CatalogArtist_01.asp?Action= Get&Artist_ID=21
Hi,
FYI, Big Star has just released a new studio CD (!!!)—meaning Chilton and
maybe one other original "Star" (?); the other members (from what I've read
briefly only yesterday) are also members of the Posies—who are now backing
up Chilton et al.
I called and Borders has it in stock, if anyone's interested.
Cheers,
Larry HoganHowdy!
I've never paid much attention to this, but do the ADAT cards work well? Any
known issues?
Swen has ADAT ins and outs on his Kurzweil KSP8....
JimmyFor audio transfer via lightpipe they work just fine.
David.
uptown jimmy wrote:
> Howdy!
>
> I've never paid much attention to this, but do the ADAT cards work well? Any
> known issues?
>
> Swen has ADAT ins and outs on his Kurzweil KSP8....
>
> Jimmy
>
>
>I can't believe this is still an issue.
http://www.exetools.com/07-2001.htm
Check out anti-pace universalYou leave tomorrow! ;-)
David.
DJ wrote:
> ........me too. I will be going down to Austin in the near future. I called
> Neve in Wimberley and talked to the manager (not Rupert) about a month ago.
> He told me I could come out there and see the place. I'm going to ask some
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Wed, 28 September 2005 01:09 |
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er characteristics of "actual tape". I would love to
>>sit down with Rupert and discuss how he gets it to do this! :-)
>>
>>David.
>>
>>gene lennon wrote:
>>
>>>"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've read numerous times that tape holds it's broadest freq and dynamics
>>>
>>>for
>>>
>>>
>>>>about 5 seconds and that after 30 seconds, given a means of audible
>>>>comparison, there is a noticeable difference. I have never had the
>>>>opportunity to run a test but always assumed, based on the profile of
>
> the
>
>>>
>>>>writers who espouse this notion, that this aspect of tape was accurately
>>>
>>>
>>>>represented. Given a chance, I would lunge, not walk, at an opportunity
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>test this.
>>>>
>>>>Dubya
>>>>
>>>
>>>I think this may be true to an almost immeasurable degree, but it is
>
> also
>
>>>true that analog alignment tapes were rated to hold plus or minus one
>
> tenth
>
>>>of one db accuracy for 5 years or 1000 plays over the full audio
>
> spectrum,
>
>>>and most Ampex alignment tapes were recorded on standard Ampex 206 tape.
>>>
>>>Generally I would start hearing 256 (my normal first choice) become dull
>>>only after hundreds of passes. There is no arguing that this is one area
>>>where digital is vastly superior.
>>>Gene
>>>
>
>
>Ummm, I'm not at ALL trying to be smart here, but my ignorance is a black
hole.
What else would they be used for?
Right now we're trying to get the SPDIF connectors on his MEC to translate
to the AES/EBU connectors on his KSP8, which I suspect is the problem...
I was hoping the ADAT card would make our lives simpler.
Jimmy
"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
news:4353d2c8$1@linux...
> For audio transfer via lightpipe they work just fine.
>
> David.
>
> uptown jimmy wrote:
>
> > Howdy!
> >
> > I've never paid much attention to this, but do the ADAT cards work well?
Any
> > known issues?
> >
> > Swen has ADAT ins and outs on his Kurzweil KSP8....
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> >
> >It's not an issue in practical terms for a lot of people here.
But it is certainly an issue.
Jimmy
"benjamin" <none@a.a> wrote in message news:4353d2e0$1@linux...
> I can't believe this is still an issue.
>
> http://www.exetools.com/07-2001.htm
>
> Check out anti-pace universal
>
>
>
>I have my KSP8 setup with analogue ins X4 (multed together from the cards)
with the 4 stereo returns coming back in on an ADAT card. Works like a charm
:)
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Howdy!
>
>I've never paid much attention to this, but do the ADAT cards work well?
Any
>known issues?
>
>Swen has ADAT ins and outs on his Kurzweil KSP8....
>
>Jimmy
>
>
>An aquantiance of mine manages Paul Westerberg and David Johanson
He played us an advance copy of this at a Christmas party last year. What
I heard sounded great, but it was at a loud and lively party.
P.S., I had the fortune of opening for a solo Alex Chilton show once.
He was fantastic then and a very cool guy to boot.
"Larry Hogan" <ooglybong@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>I'm spending a dreary Saturday afternoon doing some studio chores and cranking
>>some lovely lovely music from a band that some of you may not know much
>about: Big Star
>>
>>BIg Star's main man was Alex CHilton who is more famous perhaps as the
17
>>year old singer of "The Letter" and"Cray Like A Baby" a member of The Box
>>Tops
>>
>>Although recorded at Aredent in '72 and some a bit later, the engineerign
>>is still almost unmatched, I had met Jim Dikinson a few years back (Jim
>engineered
>>Big Star's Third) he told me that Engineer John Fry put everything he had
>>into the making of these records and pretty much gave up after them.
>>
>>The songs, the playing and the sound are marvelous.
>>
>>My good friend Phil Aiken will bakc me up on this, check em out if you
have
>not.
>>Start whith #1 Record and Radio City as "third" is a bit dreary.
>>
>> http://www.rykodisc.com/Catalog/CatalogArtist_01.asp?Action= Get&Artist_ID=21
>
>
>Hi,
>
>FYI, Big Star has just released a new studio CD (!!!)—meaning Chilton and
>maybe one other original "Star" (?); the other members (from what I've read
>briefly only yesterday) are also members of the Posies—who are now backing
>up Chilton et al.
>
>I called and Borders has it in stock, if anyone's interested.
>
>Cheers,
>Larry Hogan
>They don't work well for sync'ing adats, and the adat transport sync
is broken in XP. Using lightpipe for routing audio to/from the KSP-8
at 20 bits will work just fine.
David.
uptown jimmy wrote:
> Ummm, I'm not at ALL trying to be smart here, but my ignorance is a black
> hole.
>
> What else would they be used for?
>
> Right now we're trying to get the SPDIF connectors on his MEC to translate
> to the AES/EBU connectors on his KSP8, which I suspect is the problem...
>
> I was hoping the ADAT card would make our lives simpler.
>
> Jimmy
>
> "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> news:4353d2c8$1@linux...
>
>>For audio transfer via lightpipe they work just fine.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>uptown jimmy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Howdy!
>>>
>>>I've never paid much attention to this, but do the ADAT cards work well?
>
> Any
>
>>>known issues?
>>>
>>>Swen has ADAT ins and outs on his Kurzweil KSP8....
>>>
>>>Jimmy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>They also work well for ADAT sync. More accurate then MMC for syncing PARIS
to other devices that accept ADAT sync (like an RME card).
Take note, XP drivers have a 1 card ADAT limit for some reason. Also, the
only transfer a 20 bit word.
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4353d566@linux...
> Ummm, I'm not at ALL trying to be smart here, but my ignorance is a black
> hole.
>
> What else would they be used for?
>
> Right now we're trying to get the SPDIF connectors on his MEC to translate
> to the AES/EBU connectors on his KSP8, which I suspect is the problem...
>
> I was hoping the ADAT card would make our lives simpler.
>
> Jimmy
>
> "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> news:4353d2c8$1@linux...
>> For audio transfer via lightpipe they work just fine.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> uptown jimmy wrote:
>>
>> > Howdy!
>> >
>> > I've never paid much attention to this, but do the ADAT cards work
>> > well?
> Any
>> > known
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issues?
>> >
>> > Swen has ADAT ins and outs on his Kurzweil KSP8....
>> >
>> > Jimmy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>So one ADAT card can't send and receive? Just one or the other?
And wouldn't it be 24 bit, not 20 bit?
Hmmm....
Jimmy
"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
news:4353d669$1@linux...
>
> I have my KSP8 setup with analogue ins X4 (multed together from the cards)
> with the 4 stereo returns coming back in on an ADAT card. Works like a
charm
> :)
>
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >Howdy!
> >
> >I've never paid much attention to this, but do the ADAT cards work well?
> Any
> >known issues?
> >
> >Swen has ADAT ins and outs on his Kurzweil KSP8....
> >
> >Jimmy
> >
> >
> >
>No,1 ADAT card can send and receive.John probably has his set up
like that to overcome the seperate submix/card issue.
20 bit is the limit of the ADAT card;welcome to PARIS huh):
Its fine;I use my KSP-8 ADAT with PARIS no problems.
Pete
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>So one ADAT card can't send and receive? Just one or the other?
>
>And wouldn't it be 24 bit, not 20 bit?
>
>Hmmm....
>
>Jimmy
>
>
>"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
>news:4353d669$1@linux...
>>
>> I have my KSP8 setup with analogue ins X4 (multed together from the cards)
>> with the 4 stereo returns coming back in on an ADAT card. Works like
a
>charm
>> :)
>>
>>
>> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >Howdy!
>> >
>> >I've never paid much attention to this, but do the ADAT cards work well?
>> Any
>> >known issues?
>> >
>> >Swen has ADAT ins and outs on his Kurzweil KSP8....
>> >
>> >Jimmy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>Hey John,could you clarify how your KSP is set up with PARIS.
Do you have a separate stereo in from 4 different cards then
stereo back out to PARIS?Wasn't sure I totally understood.
I just got the KSP analog card thinking it might help with the
separate submix/card issue.
Thanks,
Pete
"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote:
>
>I have my KSP8 setup with analogue ins X4 (multed together from the cards)
>with the 4 stereo returns coming back in on an ADAT card. Works like a
charm
>:)
>
>
>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>Howdy!
>>
>>I've never paid much attention to this, but do the ADAT cards work well?
>Any
>>known issues?
>>
>>Swen has ADAT ins and outs on his Kurzweil KSP8....
>>
>>Jimmy
>>
>>
>>
>I found using the automation window much more intuitive...and accurate.
As for your pencils...you have to click on either the volume / pan or mute
buttons for the pencils to activate
As for the C16 issue, I remember something like thqat happening with mine
but I can't remember the solution as I don't use the C16 for automation
Don
"scott h " <fresnelmusic@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:43539ed9$1@linux...
>
> ok... so I will admit it. I have never been able to get my head around the
> way paris runs automation, so I usually try and work without it....
>
> but, well, now... I need it.
>
> here are a few questions...
>
>
> why is it that I can input automation by making moves with the mouse, but
> not with the c16 ? I hit the "auto/marker" button....and armed the
> tracks....
> but it didnt take from the fader moves on the c16.....
>
> also... why are my "pencil" buttons greyed out in the automation window?
> if I could figure out how to access them, I might just draw it in....
>
>
> if someone could help.. I would be mucho mucho grateful...
>
> I didnt seem to find the answers to either of these in the FAQ's.....
>
>
> scott h
> fresnelmusic@comcast.netIt's not an issue if one wants to technically break the law, however
antipace brings about possible legal possible repercussions if you use it.
Socially correct is not (well, rarely is) legally correct. Besides, I don't
think antipace helps the mac guys at all.
I kinda agree with this if there is a legal avenue, it should be followed.
ID would either need to step up the support or let go of it, which seems
good for end users. They may even be relieved to just let it go by this
point.
AA
"benjamin" <none@a.a> wrote in message news:4353d2e0$1@linux...
>I can't believe this is still an issue.
>
> http://www.exetools.com/07-2001.htm
>
> Check out anti-pace universal
>
>
>
>Edmund did publicly promise to release a Pace free version if and when
they decided to stop supporting Paris. Whatever water has passed
under the various bridges around here, I still believe he will honor
this promise. Perhaps it is time to ask?
David.
Aaron Allen wrote:
> It's not an issue if one wants to technically break the law, however
> antipace brings about possible legal possible repercussions if you use it.
> Socially correct is not (well, rarely is) legally correct. Besides, I don't
> think antipace helps the mac guys at all.
> I kinda agree with this if there is a legal avenue, it should be followed.
> ID would either need to step up the support or let go of it, which seems
> good for end users. They may even be relieved to just let it go by this
> point.
>
> AA
>
>
> "benjamin" <none@a.a> wrote in message news:4353d2e0$1@linux...
>
>>I can't believe this is still an issue.
>>
>>http://www.exetools.com/07-2001.htm
>>
>>Check out anti-pace universal
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>What IDE drives are the fastest for the most Paris tracks, my western
digital is crap and just died so i need a new one pronto. I hear
smaller drives are faster too. So which ones are fastest?
Thanks,
JohnI think everybody should get on board with this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As a group of users that payed, We should have filed a class action suit
against IDE and EMU. They misrepresented their product in advertisements,
press releases, and public announcements right here on this news group.
That is fraud! We should have had the guts to sue them.
People, we shouldn't let this opportunity pass us by this time! Everybody
should write in, or we should all sign a joint petition letter.
"Fred Bloggs" <ParisUsers@defender.com> wrote:
>
>I could not help but note that ID takes longer and longer to actually get
>back to purchasers requesting unlock codes with the passing of time - which
>is expected and a natural progression of events.
>This could be a way to push the inevitable end of product support into something
>more kind for end users.
>-------------------
>Something you need cracked? Tell the Copyright Office
>8 October 2005 18:50 by Dela
>
>The U.S. Copyright Office is conducting a periodic review of anti-cracking
>provisions set in the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), and is seeking
>feedback from the public on what you would like to see cracked and why.
If
>there is a genuine reason why you think something should be allowed to he
>cracked, the office might just allow it. Congress mandated that the register
>of Copyrights revisit the anti-circumvention section every three years to
>ensure that consumers have proper access to things they have purchased.
>
>Last time around, the office allowed the bypassing of copy protection on
>computer games available only in obsolete formats, cracking ebooks copy
protection
>so that blind people can use software to read it out, cracking of web filtering
>software to view the list of blocked sites and cracking computer programs
>protected by a "dongle" that is malfunctioning. The office will take written
>submissions through December 1st and will accept rebuttals until February
>2nd 2006.
>
>After this time has passed, beginning in April the office will hold two
sets
>of hearings. Basically, if the copyright office can be convinced that something
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J,
>
> How much time and money have you spent on the current Frankenstein!! :)
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> DJ wrote:
> > Cool suggestion. Lots of $$$$, but cool suggestion. I'm thinking about
this
> > one.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Deej
> >
> > "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> > news:43548b7c@linux...
> >
> >>HI DJ,
> >>1 x RME HDSP MADI PCI
> >>http://www.rme-audio.com/english/madi/hdspmadi.htm
> >>1 x ADI-648
> >>http://www.rme-audio.com/english/madi/adi648.htm
> >>
> >>1x RME HDSP AES-32 PCI Card
> >>http://www.synthax.com/rmeaes-32.html
> >>
> >>This would give you what you want with a few extra channels.
> >>This will bring you down to a 2 card setup with allot more routing ease
> >>sense your not trying to route and clock between 3 or more cards.
> >>
> >>Don't for get that you can use up to 3 MADI cards in a system. I've a
> >>bunch of machines with 2 for 128 channels and they work perfect.
> >>
> >>(The AES card is compatible with the Madi card so it will add I/O to the
> >>MADI driver. Add this to the MADI card and you will have 16 AES/SPDIF
> >>stereo pairs in addition to the 64 I/O of the MADI card. The card will
> >>be shipping in a month or so.)
> >>
> >>If you don't want to wait for the AES card then use the ADI-4 DD this
> >>will take one of the ADAT I/O of the ADI-648 and turn it into 4 stereo
> >>pair of AES/SPDIF.
> >>
> >>The 8 channels of AD/DA could be Paris. At this point I think this would
> >>be a better use for Paris. Use it for AD/DA and effects processing.
> >>
> >>
> >>Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>DJ wrote:
> >>
> >>>I need to be able to simultaneously interface with at least 3 x pair of
> >>>s/pdif I/O along with 8 x analog I/O and at least 56 ADAT I/O to
achieve
> >>>studio bliss. If I don't have this I will die. Madi appears to be
solely
> >>>ADAT so I would have to do an either/or with the last lightpipe I/O
> >
> > using a
> >
> >>>format converter and an external AD/DA.......resulting in my demise. I
> >>>really would lile to keep exactly the setup I have and be able to add
> >
> > just
> >
> >>>another 8 analog I/O plkus another s/pdif and lightpipe interface. Much
> >
> > joy
> >
> >>>would ensue........but alas.........;oP
> >>>
> >>>So now I'm wondering how I might kludge something together that would
> >
> > bypass
> >
> >>>this obviously flawed thinking that would, for no reason that I can
> >
> > discern
> >
> >>>other than plain 'ol meanness, attempt to thwart my lust for doing
wierd
> >>>shit with a DAW.
> >>>
> >>>Hide and watch. I'll figre out something.
> >>>
> >>>;o)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:4353a9f8$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>DJ,
> >>>>
> >>>>What I want to hear are the reasons not to get a MADI..:)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Chris
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>DJ wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I could have sworn that I saw somewhere that only 3 x HDSP PCI cards
> >>>
> >>>were
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>possible.. I'm currently running 2 x HDSP 9652 PCI's and a
> >>>
> >>>Multiface/PCI. I
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>wouldn't mind adding another Multiface/PCI (yeah, I know.......get a
> >>>>>Madi.....I have my reasons not to)..........soooo........I was
> >
> > wondering
> >
> >>>if,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>by any chance, I'm having a senior moment and 4 x HDSP PCI cards can
be
> >>>>>utilized.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Chris Ludwig
> >>>>ADK
> >>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> >>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> >>>>(859) 635-5762
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>Chris Ludwig
> >>ADK
> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> >>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> >>(859) 635-5762
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Thanks Dimitrios, but I've got to have at least 56 ADAT I/O. Will the Pulsar
>cards lock to incoming ADAT sync from Paris?
>
>Deej
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4354a41c$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi,
>> Here is my setup proposition something that I use and I am in "heaven"
>with
>> that configuration.
>>
>> Well, if you buy secondhand three Pulsar Creamware cards with classic
>configuration
>> you get 1 stereo spdif in/out 16 ADAT i/o and two analog 24 bit (up to
>96khz)
>> in out plus midi in out.
>> So for three cards you get 48 Adat in/outs 3 spdif stereo in/outs and
6
>analog
>> in/outs.
>> Pretty close to what you want.
>> This setup when configured right is EXTREMELY reliable !
>> Plus you get the scope environement with cosoles digital effects that
run
>> from Pulsar
>> dsps with great Pulsar plugins like VINCO (1176 clone) PSY-Q (BBE enhancer
>> type) and the most incredible, could I say best, synthesizers on any
>platform,
>> period.
>> This setup along with Paris is truely amazing.
>> Using a freeware (there are plenty of those) called millidelay I can make
>> the routing from Paris to scope back to Paris using just nudge slip in
>Paris
>
>
Dear DJ,
Pulsar is a system that has nothing come close !
It has a sync plate adpter 150$ I think that has adat sync and wordclock.
Except for the classic output configuration (16 adat, spdif (or AESBU) and
analog in/ou) it comes also in ADAT mode with 24 adat ins/outs but with no
spdif/ analog in out.
So three Pulsar cards (the maximum available) you will get 72 ADAT ins/outs.
So you could dedicate one adat port for a spdif to adat device like AI-4
from Alesis which is cheap on ebay.
The real magic is in Pulsar environement.
Something like Paris patch bay only a million times better and extremely
endeless with possibilities.
So except for the ins/outs you get 18 dsp chips for enormous effecting and
moduling, plus the included exceptional (best) synths available on any standards...
Imagine (what I do) routing Paris adat outs inside Pulsar environement and
then with eye catching moduling you darw lines to wahtever you can imagine
from little consoles, effects, delay lines, reverbs, all dsp oriented with
no latency (except for third party ones like Transient designer, which I
have-awesome, that introduces around 37 samples latency.
With a freebie like millidelay that shows in samples-ms latency you can compensate
before you go back to Paris Adat in , of course involving also Cubase right
in beetween.
Imagine Paris adat out---Pulsar---effects---reverbs---mixer with surround---Cubase---effects---Pulsar---extra
effects--mixing---whatever---back to Paris ADAT in.
The last big route only takes me a 10ms nudge (exact) to compensate on an
insert.
These cards would retail around 1000 $ each but now can be found for around
400-450 with extra plugins each.
So it will cost you 1200 plus 150 for syncplate = 1350 for a total awesome
setup.
There is a fantastic forum at www.planetz.com/forums
where you can see an ything related to Creamware.
If you wanna know more let me know.
Regards,
Dimitriosyeah, I second that Ty, I ask a hell of a lot more than I answer.
Thanks all.
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Tyrone man, you are always welcome on the other end of my phone.
>Thanks for the brothership.
>
>AA
>
>"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:43545ba9$1@linux...
>>
>> I just wanted to take the time to say thanks to my buddies here in "Paris
>> Land".
>>
>> This group provides never-ending assistance. I was recently asking
>> questions
>> about gear...specifically microphones in this instance. I had a number
of
>> people offer their thoughts. My weekend was given an additional boost
when
>> I received a call from none other than the "Deejmeister" himself. It was
>> really cool speaking with him and he provided me files to listen to which
>> proved enormously helpful with making my final decision.
>>
>> In addition to Deej, I've spoken with more than a few Parasites over the
>> years including Aaron Allen, Nappy, Lamont, Morgan (East Coast), Chris
>> Ludwig
>> (built my first Paris rig) and Gene, whom I've known for quite some time.
>>
>> The knowledge and information shared by this groups proves quite useful
in
>> my day to day Paris "grind" as well as other audio endeavors.
>>
>> Just wanted to say thanks to all....much appreciated!
>>
>> Tyrone
>>
>
>www.salescircular.com
for finding sale items.......also click on the bottom of your state page
for free after rebate
JohnIt appears that 128GB is the max partition size in Win98/ME but you can
use larger drives.
John....talking to himself
John wrote:
> I'm going back to win98 after way too many crashes/wasted time with xp
> and paris. Is this true regarding drive size in win98?
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
>
> The usable size limit for a FAT32 partition in Windows 98/Me/XP is 128
> gigabytes (137 billion bytes). The reason for this limit is that
> FAT32 disk tools such as Scandisk and Defrag cannot work with drives
> that have more than 4.1 million total clusters and the maximum
> supported cluster size is 32K.
>
> Your hardware, especially the BIOS may also impose limits on the size
> of the hard drive that it will recognize. Check with the
> computer/motherboard manufacturer for this information.
>
> But if your hardware will support drives larger than 128 gb they will
> have to be partitioned so that no partition is larger than 128 gb in
> order to be usable under Windows 98.
>
> Good luck
>
> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada> In the meantime, I would be careful about outing ones self publicly in
> regard to cracking the software. Just common sense.
>
> Deej
And when did that happen. Shit, let them trace my IP then send the cops over
and confiscate all my computers . That way I can sue them when they find
that I don't even own a PARIS system or the software. And yes, I have in the
past owned not one, but FOUR licenses for 3.0!One last word on this. Salvator (TriTone Digital) has a Portico Tape Sim box
and is working on a convolution based software plugin equivalent that is
designed to reproduce both the harmonic distortion and compression elements
associated with tape.
Probably shouldn’t say any more since it could be a while before it is available,
but anyone who is experienced with Salvator and Damon’s work knows, this
will be excellent.
GeneIt's like a "message in a bottle" to type questions,and actually get them
answered...Thanks to ya'll....
"cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
news:4354f6e5$1@linux...
>
>
> yeah, I second that Ty, I ask a hell of a lot more than I answer.
> Thanks all.
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
> >Tyrone man, you are always welcome on the other end of my phone.
> >Thanks for the brothership.
> >
> >AA
> >
> >"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:43545ba9$1@linux...
> >>
> >> I just wanted to take the time to say thanks to my buddies here in
"Paris
> >> Land".
> >>
> >> This group provides never-ending assistance. I was recently asking
> >> questions
> >> about gear...specifically microphones in this instance. I had a number
> of
> >> people offer their thoughts. My weekend was given an additional boost
> when
> >> I received a call from none other than the "Deejmeister" himself. It
was
> >> really cool speaking with him and he provided me files to listen to
which
> >> proved enormously helpful with making my final decision.
> >>
> >> In addition to Deej, I've spoken with more than a few Parasites over
the
> >> years including Aaron Allen, Nappy, Lamont, Morgan (East Coast), Chris
>
> >> Ludwig
> >> (built my first Paris rig) and Gene, whom I've known for quite some
time.
> >>
> >> The knowledge and information shared by this groups proves quite useful
> in
> >> my day to day Paris "grind" as well as other audio endeavors.
> >>
> >> Just wanted to say thanks to all....much appreciated!
> >>
> >> Tyrone
> >>
> >
> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Thanks Dimitrios, but I've got to have at least 56 ADAT I/O. Will the Pulsar
>cards lock to incoming ADAT sync from Paris?
Hey Deej... RME has that Fireface 800 interface that does 56
channels... street prices I've seen are around $14,00-$1,500.
Would that work for you?
NeilI just wish all NG's were as cool and as helpful
Don
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:43545ba9$1@linux...
>
> I just wanted to take the time to say thanks to my buddies here in "Paris
> Land".
>
> This group provides never-ending assistance. I was recently asking
> questions
> about gear...specifically microphones in this instance. I had a number of
> people offer their thoughts. My weekend was given an additional boost when
> I received a call from none other than the "Deejmeister" himself. It was
> really cool speaking with him and he provided me files to listen to which
> proved enormously helpful with making my final decision.
>
> In addition to Deej, I've spoken with more than a few Parasites over the
> years including Aaron Allen, Nappy, Lamont, Morgan (East Coast), Chris
> Ludwig
> (built my first Paris rig) and Gene, whom I've known for quite some time.
>
> The knowledge and information shared by this groups proves quite useful in
> my day to day Paris "grind" as well as other audio endeavors.
>
> Just wanted to say thanks to all....much appreciated!
>
> Tyrone
>Once again, Deej is the champ.
Question: is the cable-conversion failure a Paris problem, or does it just
not work for any system?
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4354714c$1@linux...
> Here's where I got both of mine. It's a brick & mortar and the service is
> good......human beings to talk to who actually know about their products.
>
> http://www.sbfilmaudio.com/
>
> Deej
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:43546fe8@linux...
> > Rock and roll.
> >
> > Will relay the info.
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:43546ba7$1@linux...
> > > the CDL is a bidirectional AES>spdif converter.....and yeah, going
> > directly
> > > from the KSP 8 into the CDL with the AES cables and then directly
> to/from
> > a
> > > CDL/MEC with the spdif cables will work........at least it works for
me.
> > >
> > > ;o)
> > >
> > > "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > news:435466a6@linux...
> > > > Or just skip the Digipatch altogether, and run the 75 ohm SPDIF
> between
> > > the
> > > > CDL-313 and Paris, right?
> > > >
> > > > But there's got to be some translation going on, not just a cable
> > changing
> > > > sides from one side to the other....
> > > >
> > > > Jimmy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:435455fc$1@linux...
> > > > > Run the AES cables from the KSP8 into the respective AES I/O of
the
> > > > CDL-313.
> > > > > Run a 75 ohm coax from the spdif output from the CDL-313 into the
> > s/pdif
> > > > > input of the Digipatch and run a 75 ohm coax from the s/pdif input
> of
> > > the
> > > > > Digipatch to the s/pdif output of the CDL-313 and you're good to
go.
> > > > >
> > > > > Deej
> > > > >
> > > > > "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:43545355@linux...
> > > > > > So the AES to SPDIF cables go between which two pieces of kit?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paris and Digipatch, or FX to Digipatch?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jimmy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:4354526f@linux...
> > > > > > > I tried this too. It's basically a no go, no matter what
> *should*
> > be
> > > > > > > happening. I'm interfacing the AES I/O of both a Quantec
> Yardstick
> > > and
> > > > a
> > > > > > > Power Technology DSP/FX card with Paris through an M-Audio
> > Digipatch
> > > > > using
> > > > > > > Hosa CDL-313 AES to coaxial converters. These do the job. This
> is
> > > one
> > > > > > > situation where throwing money at it is the only reliable
> > solution.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Deej
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:43544510$1@linux...
> > > > > > > > Swen is trying to send and return Paris digital info via the
> > SPDIF
> > > > > jacks
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > the Kurzweil AES/EBU jacks. He's using XLR (AES/EBU) to
SPDIF
> > > cables
> > > > > > > > specified by Kurzweil and endorsed by several online
bigshots.
> > No
> > > > go.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The cables are 6 feet long, which is supposedly the outside
> edge
> > > for
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > sort of thing. Maybe the cables should be shorter? Four
feet?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > He's clocking the KSP8 and Paris to a Lucid clock via BNC
with
> > no
> > > > > > > problems.
> > > > > > > > Just no signal transfer on the digital buss.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I, however, am enjoying perfect signal transfer between my
> Paris
> > > rig
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > Kurzweil Rumour and Mangler, via SPDIF, through my new
> > Digipatch,
> > > > > which
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > an excellent piece of kit. Awesome setup. Zero latency,
> perfect
> > > > > clarity,
> > > > > > > > infinite patchability of several FX boxes across three
> > > MEC/submixes.
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Deej!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Next I'll try to chain multiple FX boxes in the Digipatch.
> > That's
> > > > > where
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > sweet stuff is, IMO, when you have chained FX pulsing and
> > > > percolating
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > series. Groovy, baby.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Awesome for me, headache for Swen. If anyone knows about
that
> > > > cabling
> > > > > > > thing
> > > > > > > > (versus a dedicated digital translation device), let me
> know...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jimmy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:43542d25@linux...
> > > > > > > > > The adat card can send and receive digital info. It can
only
> > > send
> > > > > > sync.
> > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > cannot slave to ADAT sync from another device. It's a
> control
> > > > freak.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ;o)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:4353d772$1@linux...
> > > > > > > > > > So one ADAT card can't send and receive? Just one or the
> > > other?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And wouldn't it be 24 bit, not 20 bit?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hmmm....
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jimmy
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:4353d669$1@linux...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I have my KSP8 setup with analogue ins X4 (multed
> together
> > > > from
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > cards)
> > > > > > > > > > > with the 4 stereo returns coming back in on an ADAT
> card.
> > > > Works
> > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > charm
> > > > > > > > > > > :)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >Howdy!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >I've never paid much attention to this, but do the
ADAT
> > > cards
> > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > well?
> > > > > > > > > > > Any
> > > > > > > > > > > >known issues?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Swen has ADAT ins and outs on his Kurzweil KSP8....
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Jimmy
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>There are a few types of SPDIF signals... some are compatible with
AES, some are not. It depends which protocol they used to make the
equipment.
David.
uptown jimmy wrote:
> Once again, Deej is the champ.
>
> Question: is the cable-conversion failure a Paris problem, or does it just
> not work for any system?
>
> Jimmy
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:4354714c$1@linux...
>
>>Here's where I got both of mine. It's a brick & mortar and the service is
>>good......human beings to talk to who actually know about their products.
>>
>>http://www.sbfilmaudio.com/
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>news:43546fe8@linux...
>>
>>>Rock and roll.
>>>
>>>Will relay the info.
>>>
>>>Jimmy
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>news:43546ba7$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>the CDL is a bidirectional AES>spdif converter.....and yeah, going
>>>
>>>directly
>>>
>>>>from the KSP 8 into the CDL with the AES cables and then directly
>>
>>to/from
>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>>CDL/MEC with the spdif cables will work........at least it works for
>
> me.
>
>>>>;o)
>>>>
>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:435466a6@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Or just skip the Digipatch altogether, and run the 75 ohm SPDIF
>>
>>between
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>CDL-313 and Paris, right?
>>>>>
>>>>>But there's got to be some translation going on, not just a cable
>>>
>>>changing
>>>
>>>>>sides from one side to the other....
>>>>>
>>>>>Jimmy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:435455fc$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Run the AES cables from the KSP8 into the respective AES I/O of
>
> the
>
>>>>>CDL-313.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Run a 75 ohm coax from the spdif output from the CDL-313 into the
>>>
>>>s/pdif
>>>
>>>>>>input of the Digipatch and run a 75 ohm coax from the s/pdif input
>>
>>of
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>Digipatch to the s/pdif output of the CDL-313 and you're good to
>
> go.
>
>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:43545355@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So the AES to SPDIF cables go between which two pieces of kit?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Paris and Digipatch, or FX to Digipatch?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jimmy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:4354526f@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I tried this too. It's basically a no go, no matter what
>>
>>*should*
>>
>>>be
>>>
>>>>>>>>happening. I'm interfacing the AES I/O of both a Quantec
>>
>>Yardstick
>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Power Technology DSP/FX card with Paris through an M-Audio
>>>
>>>Digipatch
>>>
>>>>>>using
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hosa CDL-313 AES to coaxial converters. These do the job. This
>>
>>is
>>
>>>>one
>>>>
>>>>>>>>situation where throwing money at it is the only reliable
>>>
>>>solution.
>>>
>>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:43544510$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Swen is trying to send and return Paris digital info via the
>>>
>>>SPDIF
>>>
>>>>>>jacks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>the Kurzweil AES/EBU jacks. He's using XLR (AES/EBU) to
>
> SPDIF
>
>>>>cables
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>specified by Kurzweil and endorsed by several online
>
> bigshots.
>
>>>No
>>>
>>>>>go.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The cables are 6 feet long, which is supposedly the outside
>>
>>edge
>>
>>>>for
>>>>
>>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>sort of thing. Maybe the cables should be shorter? Four
>
> feet?
>
>>>>>>>>>He's clocking the KSP8 and Paris to a Lucid clock via BNC
>
> with
>
>>>no
>>>
>>>>>>>>problems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Just no signal transfer on the digital buss.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I, however, am enjoying perfect signal transfer between my
>>
>>Paris
>>
>>>>rig
>>>>
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Kurzweil Rumour and Mangler, via SPDIF, through my new
>>>
>>>Digipatch,
>>>
>>>>>>which
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>an excellent piece of kit. Awesome setup. Zero latency,
>>
>>perfect
>>
>>>>>>clarity,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>infinite patchability of several FX boxes across three
>>>>
>>>>MEC/submixes.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Deej!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Next I'll try to chain multiple FX boxes in the Digipatch.
>>>
>>>That's
>>>
>>>>>>where
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>sweet stuff is, IMO, when you have chained FX pulsing and
>>>>>
>>>>>percolating
>>>>>
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>series. Groovy, baby.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Awesome for me, headache for Swen. If anyone knows about
>
> that
>
>>>>>cabling
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>thing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>(versus a dedicated digital translation device), let me
>>
>>know...
>>
>>>>>>>>>Jimmy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:43542d25@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The adat card can send and receive digital info. It can
>
> only
>
>>>>send
>>>>
>>>>>>>sync.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>cannot slave to ADAT sync from another device. It's a
>>
>>control
>>
>>>>>freak.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:4353d772$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>So one ADAT card can't send and receive? Just one or the
>>>>
>>>>other?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And wouldn't it be 24 bit, not 20 bit?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Jimmy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>news:4353d669$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I have my KSP8 setup with analogue ins X4 (multed
>>
>>together
>>
>>>>>from
>>>>>
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>cards)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>with the 4 stereo returns coming back in on an ADAT
>>
>>card.
>>
>>>>>Works
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>charm
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Howdy!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I've never paid much attention to this, but do the
>
> ADAT
>
>>>>cards
>>>>
>>>>>>>work
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>well?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Any
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>known issues?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Swen has ADAT ins and outs on his Kurzweil KSP8....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jimmy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>I would simply e-mail Daniel Fuchs and ask if you can run 3 HDSP9652.
I am sure it will work fine, and you would have *one* driver for the
whole mess.
David.
DJ wrote:
> Cool suggestion. Lots of $$$$, but cool suggestion. I'm thinking about this
> one.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deej
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:43548b7c@linux...
>
>>HI DJ,
>>1 x RME HDSP MADI PCI
>>http://www.rme-audio.com/english/madi/hdspmadi.htm
>>1 x ADI-648
>>http://www.rme-audio.com/english/madi/adi648.htm
>>
>>1x RME HDSP AES-32 PCI Card
>>http://www.synthax.com/rmeaes-32.html
>>
>>This would give you what you want with a few extra channels.
>>This will bring you down to a 2 card setup with allot more routing ease
>>sense your not trying to route and clock between 3 or more cards.
>>
>>Don't for get that you can use up to 3 MADI cards in a system. I've a
>>bunch of machines with 2 for 128 channels and they work perfect.
>>
>>(The AES card is compatible with the Madi card so it will add I/O to the
>>MADI driver. Add this to the MADI card and you will have 16 AES/SPDIF
>>stereo pairs in addition to the 64 I/O of the MADI card. The card will
>>be shipping in a month or so.)
>>
>>If you don't want to wait for the AES card then use the ADI-4 DD this
>>will take one of the ADAT I/O of the ADI-648 and turn it into 4 stereo
>>pair of AES/SPDIF.
>>
>>The 8 channels of AD/DA could be Paris. At this point I think this would
>>be a better use for Paris. Use it for AD/DA and effects processing.
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>
>>>I need to be able to simultaneously interface with at least 3 x pair of
>>>s/pdif I/O along with 8 x analog I/O and at least 56 ADAT I/O to achieve
>>>studio bliss. If I don't have this I will die. Madi appears to be solely
>>>ADAT so I would have to do an either/or with the last lightpipe I/O
>
> using a
>
>>>format converter and an external AD/DA.......resulting in my demise. I
>>>really would lile to keep exactly the setup I have and be able to add
>
> just
>
>>>another 8 analog I/O plkus another s/pdif and lightpipe interface. Much
>
> joy
>
>>>would ensue........but alas.........;oP
>>>
>>>So now I'm wondering how I might kludge something together that would
>
> bypass
>
>>>this obviously flawed thinking that would, for no reason that I can
>
> discern
>
>>>other than plain 'ol meanness, attempt to thwart my lust for doing wierd
>>>shit with a DAW.
>>>
>>>Hide and watch. I'll figre out something.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4353a9f8$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>DJ,
>>>>
>>>>What I want to hear are the reasons not to get a MADI..:)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I could have sworn that I saw somewhere that only 3 x HDSP PCI cards
>>>
>>>were
>>>
>>>
>>>>>possible.. I'm currently running 2 x HDSP 9652 PCI's and a
>>>
>>>Multiface/PCI. I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>wouldn't mind adding another Multiface/PCI (yeah, I know.......get a
>>>>>Madi.....I have my reasons not to)..........soooo........I was
>
> wondering
>
>>>if,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>by any chance, I'm having a senior moment and 4 x HDSP PCI cards can be
>>>>>utilized.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>ADK
>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
>
>
>Yeah.....it's really wierd. some devices have switchable AES>spdif settings
and they just doing talk to Paris very well. I also have had issues with RME
cards and certain devices in this same way. Using the format converter has
eliminated this for me.
Deej
"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
news:43552944@linux...
> There are a few types of SPDIF signals... some are compatible with
> AES, some are not. It depends which protocol they used to make the
> equipment.
>
> David.
>
> uptown jimmy wrote:
>
> > Once again, Deej is the champ.
> >
> > Question: is the cable-conversion failure a Paris problem, or does it
just
> > not work for any system?
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:4354714c$1@linux...
> >
> >>Here's where I got both of mine. It's a brick & mortar and the service
is
> >>good......human beings to talk to who actually know about their
products.
> >>
> >>http://www.sbfilmaudio.com/
> >>
> >>Deej
> >>
> >>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >>news:43546fe8@linux...
> >>
> >>>Rock and roll.
> >>>
> >>>Will relay the info.
> >>>
> >>>Jimmy
> >>>
> >>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:43546ba7$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>>>the CDL is a bidirectional AES>spdif converter.....and yeah, going
> >>>
> >>>directly
> >>>
> >>>>from the KSP 8 into the CDL with the AES cables and then directly
> >>
> >>to/from
> >>
> >>>a
> >>>
> >>>>CDL/MEC with the spdif cables will work........at least it works for
> >
> > me.
> >
> >>>>;o)
> >>>>
> >>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:435466a6@linux...
> >>>>
> >>>>>Or just skip the Digipatch altogether, and run the 75 ohm SPDIF
> >>
> >>between
> >>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>>CDL-313 and Paris, right?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>But there's got to be some translation going on, not just a cable
> >>>
> >>>changing
> >>>
> >>>>>sides from one side to the other....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jimmy
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:435455fc$1@linux...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Run the AES cables from the KSP8 into the respective AES I/O of
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>>>CDL-313.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Run a 75 ohm coax from the spdif output from the CDL-313 into the
> >>>
> >>>s/pdif
> >>>
> >>>>>>input of the Digipatch and run a 75 ohm coax from the s/pdif input
> >>
> >>of
> >>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>>>Digipatch to the s/pdif output of the CDL-313 and you're good to
> >
> > go.
> >
> >>>>>>Deej
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:43545355@linux...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>So the AES to SPDIF cables go between which two pieces of kit?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Paris and Digipatch, or FX to Digipatch?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Jimmy
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:4354526f@linux...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I tried this too. It's basically a no go, no matter what
> >>
> >>*should*
> >>
> >>>be
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>happening. I'm interfacing the AES I/O of both a Quantec
> >>
> >>Yardstick
> >>
> >>>>and
> >>>>
> >>>>>a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Power Technology DSP/FX card with Paris through an M-Audio
> >>>
> >>>Digipatch
> >>>
> >>>>>>using
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Hosa CDL-313 AES to coaxial converters. These do the job. This
> >>
> >>is
> >>
> >>>>one
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>situation where throwing money at it is the only reliable
> >>>
> >>>solution.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>Deej
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>news:43544510$1@linux...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Swen is trying to send and return Paris digital info via the
> >>>
> >>>SPDIF
> >>>
> >>>>>>jacks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>to
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>the Kurzweil AES/EBU jacks. He's using XLR (AES/EBU) to
> >
> > SPDIF
> >
> >>>>cables
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>specified by Kurzweil and endorsed by several online
> >
> > bigshots.
> >
> >>>No
> >>>
> >>>>>go.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>The cables are 6 feet long, which is supposedly the outside
> >>
> >>edge
> >>
> >>>>for
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>this
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>sort of thing. Maybe the cables should be shorter? Four
> >
> > feet?
> >
> >>>>>>>>>He's clocking the KSP8 and Paris to a Lucid clock via BNC
> >
> > with
> >
> >>>no
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>problems.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Just no signal transfer on the digital buss.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I, however, am enjoying perfect signal transfer between my
> >>
> >>Paris
> >>
> >>>>rig
> >>>>
> >>>>>>and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>my
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Kurzweil Rumour and Mangler, via SPDIF, through my new
> >>>
> >>>Digipatch,
> >>>
> >>>>>>which
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>is
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>an excellent piece of kit. Awesome setup. Zero latency,
> >>
> >>perfect
> >>
> >>>>>>clarity,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>infinite patchability of several FX boxes across three
> >>>>
> >>>>MEC/submixes.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Deej!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Next I'll try to chain multiple FX boxes in the Digipatch.
> >>>
> >>>That's
> >>>
> >>>>>>where
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>sweet stuff is, IMO, when you have chained FX pulsing and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>percolating
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>in
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>series. Groovy, baby.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Awesome for me, headache for Swen. If anyone knows about
> >
> > that
> >
> >>>>>cabling
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>thing
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>(versus a dedicated digital translation device), let me
> >>
> >>know...
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>Jimmy
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>news:43542d25@linux...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>The adat card can send and receive digital info. It can
> >
> > only
> >
> >>>>send
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>sync.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>It
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>cannot slave to ADAT sync from another device. It's a
> >>
> >>control
> >>
> >>>>>freak.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>;o)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>news:4353d772$1@linux...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>So one ADAT card can't send and receive? Just one or the
> >>>>
> >>>>other?
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>And wouldn't it be 24 bit, not 20 bit?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm....
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Jimmy
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>>news:4353d669$1@linux...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>I have my KSP8 setup with analogue ins X4 (multed
> >>
> >>together
> >>
> >>>>>from
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>cards)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>with the 4 stereo returns coming back in on an ADAT
> >>
> >>card.
> >>
> >>>>>Works
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>like
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>a
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>charm
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>:)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Howdy!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I've never paid much attention to this, but do the
> >
> > ADAT
> >
> >>>>cards
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>work
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>well?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>known issues?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Swen has ADAT ins and outs on his Kurzweil KSP8....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jimmy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >I would think so, but I really don't know because I'm not using the MOTU stuff
yet. I believe Jamie K. is though, may be he could chime in.
You could always do the 30 day GC trial thing. You might want to read up
on it at www.motu.com, or check out the user group.
James
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Does the MOTU lock up reliably to incoming ADAT sync?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Deej
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4354af19$1@linux...
>>
>> You might consider an expanded MOTU 2408mk3 system. This would give you
>96
>> channels of simultaneous input and output at sample rates up to 96kHz.
Up
>> to 96 ch. of Adat and Tdif I/O at 96k, 32 ch analog I/O 24bit 96k, 4
>stereo
>> SPDIF in and 8 stereo SPDIF out, SMPTE and word clock.
>>
>> It might be a cleaner set up.
>>
>> Just a thought: )
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >I need to be able to simultaneously interface with at least 3 x pair
of
>> >s/pdif I/O along with 8 x analog I/O and at least 56 ADAT I/O to achieve
>> >studio bliss. If I don't have this I will die. Madi appears to be solely
>> >ADAT so I would have to do an either/or with the last lightpipe I/O
>using
>> a
>> >format converter and an external AD/DA.......resulting in my demise.
I
>> >really would lile to keep exactly the setup I have and be able to add
>just
>> >another 8 analog I/O plkus another s/pdif and lightpipe interface. Much
>> joy
>> >would ensue........but alas.........;oP
>> >
>> >So now I'm wondering how I might kludge something together that would
>bypass
>> >this obviously flawed thinking that would, for no reason that I can
>discern
>> >other than plain 'ol meanness, attempt to thwart my lust for doing wierd
>> >shit with a DAW.
>> >
>> >Hide and watch. I'll figre out something.
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >news:4353a9f8$1@linux...
>> >> DJ,
>> >>
>> >> What I want to hear are the reasons not to get a MADI..:)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> DJ wrote:
>> >> > I could have sworn that I saw somewhere that only 3 x HDSP PCI cards
>> >were
>> >> > possible.. I'm currently running 2 x HDSP 9652 PCI's and a
>> >Multiface/PCI. I
>> >> > wouldn't mind adding another Multiface/PCI (yeah, I know.......get
a
>> >> > Madi.....I have my reasons not to)..........soooo........I was
>wondering
>> >if,
>> >> > by any chance, I'm having a senior moment and 4 x HDSP PCI cards
can
>> be
>> >> > utilized.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Chris Ludwig
>> >> ADK
>> >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> >> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> >> (859) 635-5762
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>It is possible to do this. 3 x HDSP 9652's will work. I could sell off the
multiface and buy a couple of outboard 8 x 8 AD/DA's and I'd be set, now
wouldn't I?
This would, of course be wayyyyy to simple. I need workarounds and pain in
order to feel alive.
;o)
"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
news:435529cd$1@linux...
> I would simply e-mail Daniel Fuchs and ask if you can run 3 HDSP9652.
> I am sure it will work fine, and you would have *one* driver for the
> whole mess.
>
> David.
>
> DJ wrote:
>
> > Cool suggestion. Lots of $$$$, but cool suggestion. I'm thinking about
this
> > one.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Deej
> >
> > "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> > news:43548b7c@linux...
> >
> >>HI DJ,
> >>1 x RME HDSP MADI PCI
> >>http://www.rme-audio.com/english/madi/hdspmadi.htm
> >>1 x ADI-648
> >>http://www.rme-audio.com/english/madi/adi648.htm
> >>
> >>1x RME HDSP AES-32 PCI Card
> >>http://www.synthax.com/rmeaes-32.html
> >>
> >>This would give you what you want with a few extra channels.
> >>This will bring you down to a 2 card setup with allot more routing ease
> >>sense your not trying to route and clock between 3 or more cards.
> >>
> >>Don't for get that you can use up to 3 MADI cards in a system. I've a
> >>bunch of machines with 2 for 128 channels and they work perfect.
> >>
> >>(The AES card is compatible with the Madi card so it will add I/O to the
> >>MADI driver. Add this to the MADI card and you will have 16 AES/SPDIF
> >>stereo pairs in addition to the 64 I/O of the MADI card. The card will
> >>be shipping in a month or so.)
> >>
> >>If you don't want to wait for the AES card then use the ADI-4 DD this
> >>will take one of the ADAT I/O of the ADI-648 and turn it into 4 stereo
> >>pair of AES/SPDIF.
> >>
> >>The 8 channels of AD/DA could be Paris. At this point I think this would
> >>be a better use for Paris. Use it for AD/DA and effects processing.
> >>
> >>
> >>Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>DJ wrote:
> >>
> >>>I need to be able to simultaneously interface with at least 3 x pair of
> >>>s/pdif I/O along with 8 x analog I/O and at least 56 ADAT I/O to
achieve
> >>>studio bliss. If I don't have this I will die. Madi appears to be
solely
> >>>ADAT so I would have to do an either/or with the last lightpipe I/O
> >
> > using a
> >
> >>>format converter and an external AD/DA.......resulting in my demise. I
> >>>really would lile to keep exactly the setup I have and be able to add
> >
> > just
> >
> >>>another 8 analog I/O plkus another s/pdif and lightpipe interface. Much
> >
> > joy
> >
> >>>would ensue........but alas.........;oP
> >>>
> >>>So now I'm wondering how I might kludge something together that would
> >
> > bypass
> >
> >>>this obviously flawed thinking that would, for no reason that I can
> >
> > discern
> >
> >>>other than plain 'ol meanness, attempt to thwart my lust for doing
wierd
> >>>shit with a DAW.
> >>>
> >>>Hide and watch. I'll figre out something.
> >>>
> >>>;o)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:4353a9f8$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>DJ,
> >>>>
> >>>>What I want to hear are the reasons not to get a MADI..:)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Chris
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>DJ wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I could have sworn that I saw somewhere that only 3 x HDSP PCI cards
> >>>
> >>>were
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>possible.. I'm currently running 2 x HDSP 9652 PCI's and a
> >>>
> >>>Multiface/PCI. I
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>wouldn't mind adding another Multiface/PCI (yeah, I know.......get a
> >>>>>Madi.....I have my reasons not to)..........soooo........I was
> >
> > wondering
> >
> >>>if,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>by any chance, I'm having a senior moment and 4 x HDSP PCI cards can
be
> >>>>>utilized.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Chris Ludwig
> >>>>ADK
> >>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> >>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> >>>>(859) 635-5762
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>Chris Ludwig
> >>ADK
> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> >>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> >>(859) 635-5762
> >
> >
> >Since I'm going back to win98 for paris i decided on a drive <128gb. I
found the maxtor 100gb/7200rpm/8mb cache at office depot for $99 plus
$50 rebate for a total of $50 at the end. This should be good and I'll
format it with z:\64.
http://tinyurl.com/c4z6p
JohnMaxtor sucks these days... get a Seagate.
David.
John wrote:
> Since I'm going back to win98 for paris i decided on a drive <128gb. I
> found the maxtor 100gb/7200rpm/8mb cache at office depot for $99 plus
> $50 rebate for a total of $50 at the end. This should be good and I'll
> format it with z:\64.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/c4z6p
>
> John"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>You might consider an expanded MOTU 2408mk3 system. This would give you
96
>channels of simultaneous input and output at sample rates up to 96kHz.
Up
>to 96 ch. of Adat and Tdif I/O at 96k, 32 ch analog I/O 24bit 96k, 4 stereo
>SPDIF in and 8 stereo SPDIF out, SMPTE and word clock.
>
>It might be a cleaner set up.
>
>James
>
This is the core of my setup on my Mac (MOTU 421 PCI card and multiple 2408MKIIIs).
It is very reliable on my G5 with external converters added, but PCs are
not always happy with the MOTU drivers.
ADAT sync seems to work fine but it is application dependent.
The combination of Performer plus a 2408 gives a variety of accurate sync
options that work well for me, but this may again be platform and application
dependent.
I use the RME Digi9652s on my Giga and V-stack PCs. This give me all the
ADAT connections I currently need.
Genehttp://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2005/october/index5.htmlCorrect. Partition can't get past that to my knowledge, so partition the
drive up into 2 smaller chunks if needed. I don't think mobo BIOS is much of
an issues these days if you're on a fairly new system.
AA
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4354f753$1@linux...
> It appears that 128GB is the max partition size in Win98/ME but you can
> use larger drives.
>
> John....talking to himself
>
> John wrote:
>> I'm going back to win98 after way too many crashes/wasted time with xp
>> and paris. Is this true regarding drive size in win98?
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> The usable size limit for a FAT32 partition in Windows 98/Me/XP is 128
>> gigabytes (137 billion bytes). The reason for this limit is that
>> FAT32 disk tools such as Scandisk and Defrag cannot work with drives
>> that have more than 4.1 million total clusters and the maximum
>> supported cluster size is 32K.
>>
>> Your hardware, especially the BIOS may also impose limits on the size
>> of the hard drive that it will recognize. Check with the
>> computer/motherboard manufacturer for this information.
>>
>> But if your hardware will support drives larger than 128 gb they will
>> have to be partitioned so that no partition is larger than 128 gb in
>> order to be usable under Windows 98.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. CanadaThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Tom
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David.
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AA
"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
news:4355524a$1@linux...
> Maxtor sucks these days... get a Seagate.
>
> David.
>
> John wrote:
>
>> Since I'm going back to win98 for paris i decided on a drive <128gb. I
>> found the maxtor 100gb/7200rpm/8mb cache at office depot for $99 plus $50
>> rebate for a total of $50 at the end. This should be good and I'll format
>> it with z:\64.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/c4z6p
>>
>> JohnI know a few of you guys here are into Christian/Gospel artists;
so if you care to check out these guys & leave them a comment,
please feel free (no, I had nothing to do with the project; a
couple of the guys in the band are just friends of mine, and I
think it's some pretty nice music!):
http://www.indieheaven.com/view_artist.idh?artist_id=32742
Enjoy!
NeilAwesome, kids.
What a life-saver this NG has been for me and the Swenster.
Deej: that HOSA thingie is cool, huh? I generally avoid their stuff like the
plague, but I'll make an exception. Or, rather, Swen will.
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43553b04@linux...
> Yeah.....it's really wierd. some devices have switchable AES>spdif
settings
> and they just doing talk to Paris very well. I also have had issues with
RME
> cards and certain devices in this same way. Using the format converter has
> eliminated this for me.
>
> Deej
>
> "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> news:43552944@linux...
> > There are a few types of SPDIF signals... some are compatible with
> > AES, some are not. It depends which protocol they used to make the
> > equipment.
> >
> > David.
> >
> > uptown jimmy wrote:
> >
> > > Once again, Deej is the champ.
> > >
> > > Question: is the cable-conversion failure a Paris problem, or does it
> just
> > > not work for any system?
> > >
> > > Jimmy
> > >
> > > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > news:4354714c$1@linux...
> > >
> > >>Here's where I got both of mine. It's a brick & mortar and the service
> is
> > >>good......human beings to talk to who actually know about their
> products.
> > >>
> > >>http://www.sbfilmaudio.com/
> > >>
> > >>Deej
> > >>
> > >>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > >>news:43546fe8@linux...
> > >>
> > >>>Rock and roll.
> > >>>
> > >>>Will relay the info.
> > >>>
> > >>>Jimmy
> > >>>
> > >>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > >>>news:43546ba7$1@linux...
> > >>>
> > >>>>the CDL is a bidirectional AES>spdif converter.....and yeah, going
> > >>>
> > >>>directly
> > >>>
> > >>>>from the KSP 8 into the CDL with the AES cables and then directly
> > >>
> > >>to/from
> > >>
> > >>>a
> > >>>
> > >>>>CDL/MEC with the spdif cables will work........at least it works for
> > >
> > > me.
> > >
> > >>>>;o)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > >>>>news:435466a6@linux...
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>Or just skip the Digipatch altogether, and run the 75 ohm SPDIF
> > >>
> > >>between
> > >>
> > >>>>the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>CDL-313 and Paris, right?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>But there's got to be some translation going on, not just a cable
> > >>>
> > >>>changing
> > >>>
> > >>>>>sides from one side to the other....
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Jimmy
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > >>>>>news:435455fc$1@linux...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>Run the AES cables from the KSP8 into the respective AES I/O of
> > >
> > > the
> > >
> > >>>>>CDL-313.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>Run a 75 ohm coax from the spdif output from the CDL-313 into the
> > >>>
> > >>>s/pdif
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>input of the Digipatch and run a 75 ohm coax from the s/pdif input
> > >>
> > >>of
> > >>
> > >>>>the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>Digipatch to the s/pdif output of the CDL-313 and you're good to
> > >
> > > go.
> > >
> > >>>>>>Deej
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > >>>>>>news:43545355@linux...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>So the AES to SPDIF cables go between which two pieces of kit?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>Paris and Digipatch, or FX to Digipatch?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>Jimmy
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > >>>>>>>news:4354526f@linux...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>I tried this too. It's basically a no go, no matter what
> > >>
> > >>*should*
> > >>
> > >>>be
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>happening. I'm interfacing the AES I/O of both a Quantec
> > >>
> > >>Yardstick
> > >>
> > >>>>and
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>a
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>Power Technology DSP/FX card with Paris through an M-Audio
> > >>>
> > >>>Digipatch
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>using
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>Hosa CDL-313 AES to coaxial converters. These do the job. This
> > >>
> > >>is
> > >>
> > >>>>one
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>>>situation where throwing money at it is the only reliable
> > >>>
> > >>>solution.
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>Deej
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > >>>>>>>>news:43544510$1@linux...
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>Swen is trying to send and return Paris digital info via the
> > >>>
> > >>>SPDIF
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>jacks
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>to
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>the Kurzweil AES/EBU jacks. He's using XLR (AES/EBU) to
> > >
> > > SPDIF
> > >
> > >>>>cables
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>specified by Kurzweil and endorsed by several online
> > >
> > > bigshots.
> > >
> > >>>No
> > >>>
> > >>>>>go.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>The cables are 6 feet long, which is supposedly the outside
> > >>
> > >>edge
> > >>
> > >>>>for
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>>this
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>sort of thing. Maybe the cables should be shorter? Four
> > >
> > > feet?
> > >
> > >>>>>>>>>He's clocking the KSP8 and Paris to a Lucid clock via BNC
> > >
> > > with
> > >
> > >>>no
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>problems.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>Just no signal transfer on the digital buss.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>I, however, am enjoying perfect signal transfer between my
> > >>
> > >>Paris
> > >>
> > >>>>rig
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>and
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>my
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>Kurzweil Rumour and Mangler, via SPDIF, through my new
> > >>>
> > >>>Digipatch,
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>which
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>is
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>an excellent piece of kit. Awesome setup. Zero latency,
> > >>
> > >>perfect
> > >>
> > >>>>>>clarity,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>infinite patchability of several FX boxes across three
> > >>>>
> > >>>>MEC/submixes.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>>>Thanks,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>Deej!
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>Next I'll try to chain multiple FX boxes in the Digipatch.
> > >>>
> > >>>That's
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>where
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>the
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>sweet stuff is, IMO, when you have chained FX pulsing and
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>percolating
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>in
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>series. Groovy, baby.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>Awesome for me, headache for Swen. If anyone knows about
> > >
> > > that
> > >
> > >>>>>cabling
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>thing
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>(versus a dedicated digital translation device), let me
> > >>
> > >>know...
> > >>
> > >>>>>>>>>Jimmy
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > >>>>>>>>>news:43542d25@linux...
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>The adat card can send and receive digital info. It can
> > >
> > > only
> > >
> > >>>>send
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>>sync.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>It
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>cannot slave to ADAT sync from another device. It's a
> > >>
> > >>control
> > >>
> > >>>>>freak.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>;o)
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > >>>>>>>>>>news:4353d772$1@linux...
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>So one ADAT card can't send and receive? Just one or the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>other?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>And wouldn't it be 24 bit, not 20 bit?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm....
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>Jimmy
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
> > >>>>>>>>>>>news:4353d669$1@linux...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>I have my KSP8 setup with analogue ins X4 (multed
> > >>
> > >>together
> > >>
> > >>>>>from
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>the
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>cards)
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>with the 4 stereo returns coming back in on an ADAT
> > >>
> > >>card.
> > >>
> > >>>>>Works
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>like
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>a
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>charm
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>:)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Howdy!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>I've never paid much attention to this, but do the
> > >
> > > ADAT
> > >
> > >>>>cards
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>>work
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>well?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>Any
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>known issues?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Swen has ADAT ins and outs on his Kurzweil KSP8....
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jimmy
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
>
>I'm with Tyrone. I am grateful beyond words for the fellowship of tech geeks
here.
Jimmy
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:43545ba9$1@linux...
>
> I just wanted to take the time to say thanks to my buddies here in "Paris
> Land".
>
> This group provides never-ending assistance. I was recently asking
questions
> about gear...specifically microphones in this instance. I had a number of
> people offer their thoughts. My weekend was given an additional boost when
> I received a call from none other than the "Deejmeister" himself. It was
> really cool speaking with him and he provided me files to listen to which
> proved enormously helpful with making my final decision.
>
> In addition to Deej, I've spoken with more than a few Parasites over the
> years including Aaron Allen, Nappy, Lamont, Morgan (East Coast), Chris
Ludwig
> (built my first Paris rig) and Gene, whom I've known for quite some time.
>
> The knowledge and information shared by this groups proves quite useful in
> my day to day Paris "grind" as well as other audio endeavors.
>
> Just wanted to say thanks to all....much appreciated!
>
> Tyrone
>I was surprised myself. It just works, end of story. Plug it in. Plug in
your gear, walk away. I almost sent it back because it was so boring. I
didn't have to perform any unnatural acts with it or anything.
;o)
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:43559ade@linux...
> Awesome, kids.
>
> What a life-saver this NG has been for me and the Swenster.
>
> Deej: that HOSA thingie is cool, huh? I generally avoid their stuff like
the
> plague, but I'll make an exception. Or, rather, Swen will.
>
> Jimmy
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43553b04@linux...
> > Yeah.....it's really wierd. some devices have switchable AES>spdif
> settings
> > and they just doing talk to Paris very well. I also have had issues with
> RME
> > cards and certain devices in this same way. Using the format converter
has
> > eliminated this for me.
> >
> > Deej
> >
> > "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> > news:43552944@linux...
> > > There are a few types of SPDIF signals... some are compatible with
> > > AES, some are not. It depends which protocol they used to make the
> > > equipment.
> > >
> > > David.
> > >
> > > uptown jimmy wrote:
> > >
> > > > Once again, Deej is the champ.
> > > >
> > > > Question: is the cable-conversion failure a Paris problem, or does
it
> > just
> > > > not work for any system?
> > > >
> > > > Jimmy
> > > >
> > > > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:4354714c$1@linux...
> > > >
> > > >>Here's where I got both of mine. It's a brick & mortar and the
service
> > is
> > > >>good......human beings to talk to who actually know about their
> > products.
> > > >>
> > > >>http://www.sbfilmaudio.com/
> > > >>
> > > >>Deej
> > > >>
> > > >>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > >>news:43546fe8@linux...
> > > >>
> > > >>>Rock and roll.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Will relay the info.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Jimmy
> > > >>>
> > > >>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > >>>news:43546ba7$1@linux...
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>the CDL is a bidirectional AES>spdif converter.....and yeah, going
> > > >>>
> > > >>>directly
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>from the KSP 8 into the CDL with the AES cables and then directly
> > > >>
> > > >>to/from
> > > >>
> > > >>>a
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>CDL/MEC with the spdif cables will work........at least it works
for
> > > >
> > > > me.
> > > >
> > > >>>>;o)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > >>>>news:435466a6@linux...
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>Or just skip the Digipatch altogether, and run the 75 ohm SPDIF
> > > >>
> > > >>between
> > > >>
> > > >>>>the
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>CDL-313 and Paris, right?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>But there's got to be some translation going on, not just a cable
> > > >>>
> > > >>>changing
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>sides from one side to the other....
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Jimmy
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > >>>>>news:435455fc$1@linux...
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Run the AES cables from the KSP8 into the respective AES I/O of
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > >>>>>CDL-313.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Run a 75 ohm coax from the spdif output from the CDL-313 into
the
> > > >>>
> > > >>>s/pdif
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>input of the Digipatch and run a 75 ohm coax from the s/pdif
input
> > > >>
> > > >>of
> > > >>
> > > >>>>the
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>Digipatch to the s/pdif output of the CDL-313 and you're good to
> > > >
> > > > go.
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>Deej
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > >>>>>>news:43545355@linux...
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>So the AES to SPDIF cables go between which two pieces of kit?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>Paris and Digipatch, or FX to Digipatch?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>Jimmy
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > >>>>>>>news:4354526f@linux...
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>I tried this too. It's basically a no go, no matter what
> > > >>
> > > >>*should*
> > > >>
> > > >>>be
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>happening. I'm interfacing the AES I/O of both a Quantec
> > > >>
> > > >>Yardstick
> > > >>
> > > >>>>and
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>a
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>Power Technology DSP/FX card with Paris through an M-Audio
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Digipatch
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>using
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>Hosa CDL-313 AES to coaxial converters. These do the job. This
> > > >>
> > > >>is
> > > >>
> > > >>>>one
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>situation where throwing money at it is the only reliable
> > > >>>
> > > >>>solution.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>Deej
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > >>>>>>>>news:43544510$1@linux...
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>Swen is trying to send and return Paris digital info via the
> > > >>>
> > > >>>SPDIF
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>jacks
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>to
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>the Kurzweil AES/EBU jacks. He's using XLR (AES/EBU) to
> > > >
> > > > SPDIF
> > > >
> > > >>>>cables
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>specified by Kurzweil and endorsed by several online
> > > >
> > > > bigshots.
> > > >
> > > >>>No
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>go.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>The cables are 6 feet long, which is supposedly the outside
> > > >>
> > > >>edge
> > > >>
> > > >>>>for
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>>this
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>sort of thing. Maybe the cables should be shorter? Four
> > > >
> > > > feet?
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>>>>He's clocking the KSP8 and Paris to a Lucid clock via BNC
> > > >
> > > > with
> > > >
> > > >>>no
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>problems.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>Just no signal transfer on the digital buss.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>I, however, am enjoying perfect signal transfer between my
> > > >>
> > > >>Paris
> > > >>
> > > >>>>rig
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>and
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>my
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>Kurzweil Rumour and Mangler, via SPDIF, through my new
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Digipatch,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>which
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>is
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>an excellent piece of kit. Awesome setup. Zero latency,
> > > >>
> > > >>perfect
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>>clarity,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>infinite patchability of several FX boxes across three
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>MEC/submixes.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>Thanks,
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>Deej!
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>Next I'll try to chain multiple FX boxes in the Digipatch.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>That's
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>where
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>the
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>sweet stuff is, IMO, when you have chained FX pulsing and
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>percolating
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>in
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>series. Groovy, baby.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>Awesome for me, headache for Swen. If anyone knows about
> > > >
> > > > that
> > > >
> > > >>>>>cabling
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>thing
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>(versus a dedicated digital translation device), let me
> > > >>
> > > >>know...
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>>>>>Jimmy
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > >>>>>>>>>news:43542d25@linux...
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>The adat card can send and receive digital info. It can
> > > >
> > > > only
> > > >
> > > >>>>send
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>>sync.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>It
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>cannot slave to ADAT sync from another device. It's a
> > > >>
> > > >>control
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>freak.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>;o)
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > >>>>>>>>>>news:4353d772$1@linux...
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>So one ADAT card can't send and receive? Just one or the
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>other?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>And wouldn't it be 24 bit, not 20 bit?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm....
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Jimmy
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>news:4353d669$1@linux...
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>I have my KSP8 setup with analogue ins X4 (multed
> > > >>
> > > >>together
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>from
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>the
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>cards)
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>with the 4 stereo returns coming back in on an ADAT
> > > >>
> > > >>card.
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>Works
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>like
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>a
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>charm
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>:)
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Howdy!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>I've never paid much attention to this, but do the
> > > >
> > > > ADAT
> > > >
> > > >>>>cards
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>>work
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>well?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Any
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>known issues?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Swen has ADAT ins and outs on his Kurzweil KSP8....
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jimmy
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>I have FAT 32'ed a 250G drive using a Win ME boot disk and then formatted it
on a machine using Win ME.
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:43558c37@linux...
> Correct. Partition can't get past that to my knowledge, so partition the
> drive up into 2 smaller chunks if needed. I don't think mobo BIOS is much
of
> an issues these days if you're on a fairly new system.
> AA
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4354f753$1@linux...
> > It appears that 128GB is the max partition size in Win98/ME but you can
> > use larger drives.
> >
> > John....talking to himself
> >
> > John wrote:
> >> I'm going back to win98 after way too many crashes/wasted time with xp
> >> and paris. Is this true regarding drive size in win98?
> >> Thanks,
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The usable size limit for a FAT32 partition in Windows 98/Me/XP is 128
> >> gigabytes (137 billion bytes). The reason for this limit is that
> >> FAT32 disk tools such as Scandisk and Defrag cannot work with drives
> >> that have more than 4.1 million total clusters and the maximum
> >> supported cluster size is 32K.
> >>
> >> Your hardware, especially the BIOS may also impose limits on the size
> >> of the hard drive that it will recognize. Check with the
> >> computer/motherboard manufacturer for this information.
> >>
> >> But if your hardware will support drives larger than 128 gb they will
> >> have to be partitioned so that no partition is larger than 128 gb in
> >> order to be usable under Windows 98.
> >>
> >> Good luck
> >>
> >> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
>
>EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>Maxtor sucks these days... get a Seagate.
>
>David.
>
I purchased a couple of high capacity Maxtor drives and they both failed
out of the box. Maxtor replaced them, but I am quite concerned none the less.
I think I'd go with Seagate as well.....good deal however.
TyroneIf I remember correct, the first Windows to use Fat32 was Win98 Second
Edition. So, I don´t think Win98 can use Fat32 at all.
Erling
"John" <no@no.com> skrev i melding news:4354dc45$1@linux...
> I'm going back to win98 after way too many crashes/wasted time with xp and
> paris. Is this true regarding drive size in win98?
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
>
> The usable size limit for a FAT32 partition in Windows 98/Me/XP is 128
> gigabytes (137 billion bytes). The reason for this limit is that
> FAT32 disk tools such as Scandisk and Defrag cannot work with drives
> that have more than 4.1 million total clusters and the maximum
> supported cluster size is 32K.
>
> Your hardware, especially the BIOS may also impose limits on the size
> of the hard drive that it will recognize. Check with the
> computer/motherboard manufacturer for this information.
>
> But if your hardware will support drives larger than 128 gb they will
> have to be partitioned so that no partition is larger than 128 gb in
> order to be usable under Windows 98.
>
> Good luck
>
> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
> --
> Microsoft MVPSo, it's time to do some UAD1 Ver.4 tests with my Athlon X2 3800+. But first
I must learn something more about Cubase SX3, hmmmm. The computer are
working like a dream with the Asus A8V Deluxe motherboard. Havn't had a
hickup with it at all the last couple of weeks. But musically I'm just
working with Paris on the the other computer, since I know that system so
well. Did some tests with Athlon X2, WinXP and Paris with no luck at all.
Could start but couldn't work at all with different windows before freezing
and chrashing, so I gave it up.
Erling
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
news:43558529@linux...
> http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2005/october/index5.html
>
>I have a new toy as of 4 PM today, thought I'd share with y'all... somehow
on top of a 12 hour day I managed to putter out 52 miles on it today :)
AA
Well,
Due to the fact that too many EDS cards stop working I would like for use
to share your experiences so maybe we can find ways to overcome with problems.
I had a recent experience with a card stop working ...
PC could not see iof the card was there at all.
I put the card on another pc on a two card setup (including this) and card
was working fine.
I had no other pci slot available to check this but I assume that there might
be an IRQ thing going on.
I mean the EDS card might loose (by burnt out component) the ability to be
seen on all IRQ's.
If EDS cards were designed to coexist * of them) there must be some kind
of buffer before connecting to PCI slot.
So one dead casrd on certain PCI slots is alive on others as in my situation.
If anyone has a non working card I would encourage to try on different slot.
Also one other possible cure beetween two non working cards is to exchange
the addon EDS board, that might fix it...
Regards,
Dimitrioslove the rear passenger seatbelt. had a norton tt commando with an
air research super charger back in '70...got clocked doing 163 mph. i
had to stop the speed runs due to parts falling off...ya know, english
bikes.
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 03:40:28 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
<nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2005/october/index5.html
>
>
Note that UAD-1 4.0 does not support Win98. This is one of a growing number
of plugins which do not. Support for the older versions which do work is
drying up as well. As Bob Dylan put it "It ain't dark yet, but it's gettin
there".....Ah, yes, Cronenbergian acts of depraved weirdness with pieces of audio
technology.
I will call it "Audiodrome".
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43559e34@linux...
> I was surprised myself. It just works, end of story. Plug it in. Plug in
> your gear, walk away. I almost sent it back because it was so boring. I
> didn't have to perform any unnatural acts with it or anything.
>
> ;o)
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:43559ade@linux...
> > Awesome, kids.
> >
> > What a life-saver this NG has been for me and the Swenster.
> >
> > Deej: that HOSA thingie is cool, huh? I generally avoid their stuff like
> the
> > plague, but I'll make an exception. Or, rather, Swen will.
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:43553b04@linux...
> > > Yeah.....it's really wierd. some devices have switchable AES>spdif
> > settings
> > > and they just doing talk to Paris very well. I also have had issues
with
> > RME
> > > cards and certain devices in this same way. Using the format converter
> has
> > > eliminated this for me.
> > >
> > > Deej
> > >
> > > "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> > > news:43552944@linux...
> > > > There are a few types of SPDIF signals... some are compatible with
> > > > AES, some are not. It depends which protocol they used to make the
> > > > equipment.
> > > >
> > > > David.
> > > >
> > > > uptown jimmy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Once again, Deej is the champ.
> > > > >
> > > > > Question: is the cable-conversion failure a Paris problem, or does
> it
> > > just
> > > > > not work for any system?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jimmy
> > > > >
> > > > > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:4354714c$1@linux...
> > > > >
> > > > >>Here's where I got both of mine. It's a brick & mortar and the
> service
> > > is
> > > > >>good......human beings to talk to who actually know about their
> > > products.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>http://www.sbfilmaudio.com/
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Deej
> > > > >>
> > > > >>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > >>news:43546fe8@linux...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>Rock and roll.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Will relay the info.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Jimmy
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > > >>>news:43546ba7$1@linux...
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>the CDL is a bidirectional AES>spdif converter.....and yeah,
going
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>directly
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>from the KSP 8 into the CDL with the AES cables and then
directly
> > > > >>
> > > > >>to/from
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>a
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>CDL/MEC with the spdif cables will work........at least it works
> for
> > > > >
> > > > > me.
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>;o)
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > >>>>news:435466a6@linux...
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>Or just skip the Digipatch altogether, and run the 75 ohm SPDIF
> > > > >>
> > > > >>between
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>the
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>CDL-313 and Paris, right?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>But there's got to be some translation going on, not just a
cable
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>changing
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>sides from one side to the other....
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>Jimmy
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > > >>>>>news:435455fc$1@linux...
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>Run the AES cables from the KSP8 into the respective AES I/O
of
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>>CDL-313.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>Run a 75 ohm coax from the spdif output from the CDL-313 into
> the
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>s/pdif
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>input of the Digipatch and run a 75 ohm coax from the s/pdif
> input
> > > > >>
> > > > >>of
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>the
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>>Digipatch to the s/pdif output of the CDL-313 and you're good
to
> > > > >
> > > > > go.
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>>>Deej
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > >>>>>>news:43545355@linux...
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>So the AES to SPDIF cables go between which two pieces of
kit?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Paris and Digipatch, or FX to Digipatch?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Jimmy
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > > >>>>>>>news:4354526f@linux...
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>I tried this too. It's basically a no go, no matter what
> > > > >>
> > > > >>*should*
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>be
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>happening. I'm interfacing the AES I/O of both a Quantec
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Yardstick
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>and
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>a
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>Power Technology DSP/FX card with Paris through an M-Audio
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Digipatch
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>using
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>Hosa CDL-313 AES to coaxial converters. These do the job.
This
> > > > >>
> > > > >>is
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>one
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>situation where throwing money at it is the only reliable
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>solution.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>Deej
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > >>>>>>>>news:43544510$1@linux...
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>Swen is trying to send and return Paris digital info via
the
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>SPDIF
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>jacks
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>to
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>the Kurzweil AES/EBU jacks. He's using XLR (AES/EBU) to
> > > > >
> > > > > SPDIF
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>cables
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>specified by Kurzweil and endorsed by several online
> > > > >
> > > > > bigshots.
> > > > >
> > > > >>>No
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>go.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>The cables are 6 feet long, which is supposedly the outside
> > > > >>
> > > > >>edge
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>for
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>this
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>sort of thing. Maybe the cables should be shorter? Four
> > > > >
> > > > > feet?
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>>He's clocking the KSP8 and Paris to a Lucid clock via BNC
> > > > >
> > > > > with
> > > > >
> > > > >>>no
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>problems.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>Just no signal transfer on the digital buss.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>I, however, am enjoying perfect signal transfer between my
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Paris
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>rig
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>>and
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>my
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>Kurzweil Rumour and Mangler, via SPDIF, through my new
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Digipatch,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>which
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>is
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>an excellent piece of kit. Awesome setup. Zero latency,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>perfect
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>>>clarity,
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>infinite patchability of several FX boxes across three
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>MEC/submixes.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>Thanks,
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>Deej!
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>Next I'll try to chain multiple FX boxes in the Digipatch.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>That's
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>where
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>the
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>sweet stuff is, IMO, when you have chained FX pulsing and
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>percolating
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>in
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>series. Groovy, baby.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>Awesome for me, headache for Swen. If anyone knows about
> > > > >
> > > > > that
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>>cabling
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>thing
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>(versus a dedicated digital translation device), let me
> > > > >>
> > > > >>know...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>Jimmy
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > > >>>>>>>>>news:43542d25@linux...
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>The adat card can send and receive digital info. It can
> > > > >
> > > > > only
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>send
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>sync.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>It
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>cannot slave to ADAT sync from another device. It's a
> > > > >>
> > > > >>control
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>>freak.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>;o)
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>news:4353d772$1@linux...
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>So one ADAT card can't send and receive? Just one or the
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>other?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>And wouldn't it be 24 bit, not 20 bit?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm....
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Jimmy
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>news:4353d669$1@linux...
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>I have my KSP8 setup with analogue ins X4 (multed
> > > > >>
> > > > >>together
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>>from
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>the
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>cards)
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>with the 4 stereo returns coming back in on an ADAT
> > > > >>
> > > > >>card.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>>Works
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>like
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>a
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>charm
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>:)
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Howdy!
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>I've never paid much attention to this, but do the
> > > > >
> > > > > ADAT
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>cards
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>work
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>well?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Any
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>known issues?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Swen has ADAT ins and outs on his Kurzweil KSP8....
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jimmy
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>"Honestly officer!!!!.......this ain't what you think!!!. I was just trying
to help that CDL over the fence"
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:435669c5@linux...
> Ah, yes, Cronenbergian acts of depraved weirdness with pieces of audio
> technology.
>
> I will call it "Audiodrome".
>
> Jimmy
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43559e34@linux...
> > I was surprised myself. It just works, end of story. Plug it in. Plug in
> > your gear, walk away. I almost sent it back because it was so boring. I
> > didn't have to perform any unnatural acts with it or anything.
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> > "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:43559ade@linux...
> > > Awesome, kids.
> > >
> > > What a life-saver this NG has been for me and the Swenster.
> > >
> > > Deej: that HOSA thingie is cool, huh? I generally avoid their stuff
like
> > the
> > > plague, but I'll make an exception. Or, rather, Swen will.
> > >
> > > Jimmy
> > >
> > > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > news:43553b04@linux...
> > > > Yeah.....it's really wierd. some devices have switchable AES>spdif
> > > settings
> > > > and they just doing talk to Paris very well. I also have had issues
> with
> > > RME
> > > > cards and certain devices in this same way. Using the format
converter
> > has
> > > > eliminated this for me.
> > > >
> > > > Deej
> > > >
> > > > "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:43552944@linux...
> > > > > There are a few types of SPDIF signals... some are compatible with
> > > > > AES, some are not. It depends which protocol they used to make
the
> > > > > equipment.
> > > > >
> > > > > David.
> > > > >
> > > > > uptown jimmy wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Once again, Deej is the champ.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Question: is the cable-conversion failure a Paris problem, or
does
> > it
> > > > just
> > > > > > not work for any system?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jimmy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:4354714c$1@linux...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>Here's where I got both of mine. It's a brick & mortar and the
> > service
> > > > is
> > > > > >>good......human beings to talk to who actually know about their
> > > > products.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>http://www.sbfilmaudio.com/
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Deej
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > > >>news:43546fe8@linux...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>Rock and roll.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>Will relay the info.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>Jimmy
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > > > >>>news:43546ba7$1@linux...
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>the CDL is a bidirectional AES>spdif converter.....and yeah,
> going
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>directly
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>from the KSP 8 into the CDL with the AES cables and then
> directly
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>to/from
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>a
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>CDL/MEC with the spdif cables will work........at least it
works
> > for
> > > > > >
> > > > > > me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>>;o)
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > > >>>>news:435466a6@linux...
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>Or just skip the Digipatch altogether, and run the 75 ohm
SPDIF
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>between
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>>the
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>CDL-313 and Paris, right?
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>But there's got to be some translation going on, not just a
> cable
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>changing
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>>sides from one side to the other....
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>Jimmy
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > > > >>>>>news:435455fc$1@linux...
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>Run the AES cables from the KSP8 into the respective AES I/O
> of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>>>CDL-313.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>Run a 75 ohm coax from the spdif output from the CDL-313
into
> > the
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>s/pdif
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>>>input of the Digipatch and run a 75 ohm coax from the s/pdif
> > input
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>of
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>>the
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>Digipatch to the s/pdif output of the CDL-313 and you're
good
> to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > go.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>>>>Deej
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > > >>>>>>news:43545355@linux...
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>So the AES to SPDIF cables go between which two pieces of
> kit?
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>Paris and Digipatch, or FX to Digipatch?
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>Jimmy
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > > > > >>>>>>>news:4354526f@linux...
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>I tried this too. It's basically a no go, no matter what
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>*should*
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>be
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>happening. I'm interfacing the AES I/O of both a Quantec
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Yardstick
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>>and
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>a
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>Power Technology DSP/FX card with Paris through an M-Audio
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>Digipatch
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>>>using
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>Hosa CDL-313 AES to coaxial converters. These do the job.
> This
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>is
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>>one
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>situation where throwing money at it is the only reliable
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>solution.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>Deej
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > > >>>>>>>>news:43544510$1@linux...
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>Swen is trying to send and return Paris digital info via
> the
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>SPDIF
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>>>jacks
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>the Kurzweil AES/EBU jacks. He's using XLR (AES/EBU) to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > SPDIF
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>>cables
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>specified by Kurzweil and endorsed by several online
> > > > > >
> > > > > > bigshots.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>No
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>>go.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>The cables are 6 feet long, which is supposedly the
outside
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>edge
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>>for
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>this
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>sort of thing. Maybe the cables should be shorter? Four
> > > > > >
> > > > > > feet?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>He's clocking the KSP8 and Paris to a Lucid clock via BNC
> > > > > >
> > > > > > with
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>no
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>problems.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>Just no signal transfer on the digital buss.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>I, however, am enjoying perfect signal transfer between
my
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Paris
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>>rig
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>and
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>my
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>Kurzweil Rumour and Mangler, via SPDIF, through my new
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>Digipatch,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>>>which
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>is
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>an excellent piece of kit. Awesome setup. Zero latency,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>perfect
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>>>>clarity,
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>infinite patchability of several FX boxes across three
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>MEC/submixes.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>Thanks,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>Deej!
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>Next I'll try to chain multiple FX boxes in the
Digipatch.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>That's
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>>>where
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>sweet stuff is, IMO, when you have chained FX pulsing and
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>percolating
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>in
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>series. Groovy, baby.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>Awesome for me, headache for Swen. If anyone knows about
> > > > > >
> > > > > > that
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>>>cabling
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>thing
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>(versus a dedicated digital translation device), let me
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>know...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>Jimmy
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in
message
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>news:43542d25@linux...
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>The adat card can send and receive digital info. It can
> > > > > >
> > > > > > only
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>>send
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>sync.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>It
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>cannot slave to ADAT sync from another device. It's a
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>control
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>>>freak.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>;o)
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in
message
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>news:4353d772$1@linux...
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>So one ADAT card can't send and receive? Just one or
the
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>other?
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>And wouldn't it be 24 bit, not 20 bit?
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm....
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>Jimmy
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in
message
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>news:4353d669$1@linux...
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>I have my KSP8 setup with analogue ins X4 (multed
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>together
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>>>from
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>the
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>cards)
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>with the 4 stereo returns coming back in on an ADAT
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>card.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>>>Works
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>like
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>a
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>charm
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>:)
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Howdy!
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>I've never paid much attention to this, but do the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ADAT
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>>cards
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>work
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>well?
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Any
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>known issues?
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Swen has ADAT ins and outs on his Kurzweil KSP8....
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jimmy
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>Sweet! That's a very clean machine. Looks like it's fast enough so that if
you had enough straightaway, you could punch it and when you ran out of gas
you'd look around and it would be some time yesterday.
;o)
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:43560765@linux...
> I have a new toy as of 4 PM today, thought I'd share with y'all... somehow
> on top of a 12 hour day I managed to putter out 52 miles on it today :)
>
> AA
>
>
>Heh... it's good for about 120 mph, but not a lot past that.
Sure gets there quick though :)
AA
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43566d7b@linux...
> Sweet! That's a very clean machine. Looks like it's fast enough so that if
> you had enough straightaway, you could punch it and when you ran out of
> gas
> you'd look around and it would be some time yesterday.
> ;o)
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> news:43560765@linux...
>> I have a new toy as of 4 PM today, thought I'd share with y'all...
>> somehow
>> on top of a 12 hour day I managed to putter out 52 miles on it today :)
>>
>> AA
>>
>>
>>
>
>Hey guys,
Are any of you using the Wormhole transfer app?
I think I'd like to try it, if it works.
Got a link?
jefJohn wrote:
> What IDE drives are the fastest for the most Paris tracks, my western
> digital is crap and just died so i need a new one pronto. I hear
> smaller drives are faster too. So which ones are fastest?
>
> Thanks,
> John
Hey,
If you look on e-bay, and are familliar with comp gear, there's lot's of
better options.
I, well my tech guru, just snagged me 4 channel fiber channel cards (3)
and a terabyte fiber channel array along with some 70g scsi360 system
disks for under 3 grand.
Gonna install them this weekend, so I'll let you know how fast there are.
He also snaggeded me a couple of quad Xeon 2.8's with 4g buffered ecc
ram, so I'm hoping my music computing experience will get a lift from my
old P4 1.8's..lol....
The whole enchelade, plus an SGI octane2...under 5 grand! How could I
pass *that* up?
So, check e-bay for liquidators selling off the good stuff...
jefvery interesting
DJ wrote:
> I have FAT 32'ed a 250G drive using a Win ME boot disk and then formatted it
> on a machine using Win ME.
>
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:43558c37@linux...
>
>>Correct. Partition can't get past that to my knowledge, so partition the
>>drive up into 2 smaller chunks if needed. I don't think mobo BIOS is much
>
> of
>
>>an issues these days if you're on a fairly new system.
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4354f753$1@linux...
>>
>>>It appears that 128GB is the max partition size in Win98/ME but you can
>>>use larger drives.
>>>
>>>John....talking to himself
>>>
>>>John wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm going back to win98 after way too many crashes/wasted time with xp
>>>>and paris. Is this true regarding drive size in win98?
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The usable size limit for a FAT32 partition in Windows 98/Me/XP is 128
>>>>gigabytes (137 billion bytes). The reason for this limit is that
>>>>FAT32 disk tools such as Scandisk and Defrag cannot work with drives
>>>>that have more than 4.1 million total clusters and the maximum
>>>>supported cluster size is 32K.
>>>>
>>>>Your hardware, especially the BIOS may also impose limits on the size
>>>>of the hard drive that it will recognize. Check with the
>>>>computer/motherboard manufacturer for this information.
>>>>
>>>>But if your hardware will support drives larger than 128 gb they will
>>>>have to be partitioned so that no partition is larger than 128 gb in
>>>>order to be usable under Windows 98.
>>>>
>>>>Good luck
>>>>
>>>>Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
>>
>>
>
>I'm definately a wannabe biker, looks like you've got a speed demon there
...maybe someday... From what I understand, I guess you'd want to make sure
you brake the rear wheel first :-)
Smooth riding.
MR
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>I have a new toy as of 4 PM today, thought I'd share with y'all... somehow
>on top of a 12 hour day I managed to putter out 52 miles on it today :)
>
>AA
>
>
>FYI, Mac G5 Quad introduce dual-core PowerPC processors.
http://www.apple.com/powermac
JamesI was considering buying some Maxtors about two months ago. There was a really
good deal over at Staples. But I'd had two Maxtors I bought last year freeze
up, so I did some research at this site: http://www.storagereview.com/.
In order to access thier database you have to provide them with some data
on any drives you've been using. Nevertheless, the place had loads of helpful
information. I ended up going with 120gig Seagates. I think I paid around
65.00 for each one.
MR
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>Since I'm going back to win98 for paris i decided on a drive <128gb. I
>found the maxtor 100gb/7200rpm/8mb cache at office depot for $99 plus
>$50 rebate for a total of $50 at the end. This should be good and I'll
>format it with z:\64.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/c4z6p
>
>JohnFour New Models Added to Nady's Ribbon Mic Line.
http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2005/RSM-1-3-4-5.html
James"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>FYI, Mac G5 Quad introduce dual-core PowerPC processors.
>
>http://www.apple.com/powermac
>
>
>James
Who wants a crappy old dual 2 Gig G5?Hey Guys,
I am probably going to be putting my Paris system up for sale this next week
and was just curious if the paf-wav converter can be used to convert large
amounts of files at a time or if you have to do one at a time? I'd like
to have access to the files to open in Cubase when I'm done (when Paris is
gone...). Is this the best way to go about it?
Thanks for any insight on this!
Btw, you guys have been awesome. I've been "lurking" here daily since 2001
and you guys helped out with many of the questions and difficulties that
we had. Thanks so much for your kindness and generousity!!
All the best,
Shawn"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>FYI, Mac G5 Quad introduce dual-core PowerPC processors.
>>
>>http://www.apple.com/powermac
>>
>>
>>James
>
>Who wants a crappy old dual 2 Gig G5?
Well gee whiz, Gene, if your giving it away, I'll take it; ) You can leave
all your audio software on there especially the plugins! You can even leave
your audio files on there, it'll give me something new to listen to.
Always wanted one of those crappy old dual 2 Gig G5s!"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Well gee whiz, Gene, if your giving it away, I'll take it; ) You can leave
>all your audio software on there especially the plugins! You can even leave
>your audio files on there, it'll give me something new to listen to.
>
>Always wanted one of those crappy old dual 2 Gig G5s!
>
Well, it looks like the new box will be just over twice as powerful as my
2X2, but as tempting as it is, my MOTU PCI cards won’t work. Hard to justify
it just for e-mail.
But if I decide to give away my 2X2, I’ll keep you in mind.
Perhaps Magma will come out with a PCI Express to PCI box.
GeneJust found this in my computer archives (From 9 years ago):
The newest versions of the Beowulf cluster, linking 16 Intel Pentium Pro
processors with Fast Ethernet networks, attained over one gigaFLOPS sustained
on a cosmological N-body simulation. The architecture was conceived by the
Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences (USRA CESDIS)
at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. The NASA High Performance Computing
and Communications (HPCC) Program's Earth and Space Sciences (ESS) Project
funds continuing development.
Supercomputing '96 attendees will be able to inspect the systems at the Caltech
Center for Advanced Computing Research (#R62) and Los Alamos (#R86) research
exhibits November 18–21. Tied together with 16 additional Ethernet channels,
the two Beowulfs will work in concert to realize greater than 2 gigaFLOPS
on several demonstrations.
_________________________________________
The new G5 is 76.6 gigaflops.
_______________________________________
First Cray Supercomputer CDC 6600 –1964, 9 megaflops (not Gigaflops) for
7 Million $$.
Cray-CDC 7600 (40 megaflops) used for US Moon Landing 1969.
76.6 gigaflops!!! Music should be writing itself at this speed.jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>Hey guys,
>
>Are any of you using the Wormhole transfer app?
>
>I think I'd like to try it, if it works.
>
>Got a link?
>
>jef
I use it for other apps, but not for Paris. Dimitrios may have had better
luck. It’s cheep and if other Paris users get it he may continue development.
http://plasq.com/wormhole/
If you want to use it with Paris you should ask for the special Paris version.
GenePC or Mac?
OS version?
Paris version?
On XP I can't get the beta release of pafwav convertor to work on 16 bit
files, only 24 bit FYI.. maybe someone here has had better luck..
AA
"Shawn Johnsen" <info@nospamsuperhitchcockradio.com> wrote in message
news:4356fd2e$1@linux...
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> I am probably going to be putting my Paris system up for sale this next
> week
> and was just curious if the paf-wav converter can be used to convert large
> amounts of files at a time or if you have to do one at a time? I'd like
> to have access to the files to open in Cubase when I'm done (when Paris is
> gone...). Is this the best way to go about it?
>
> Thanks for any insight on this!
>
> Btw, you guys have been awesome. I've been "lurking" here daily since
> 2001
> and you guys helped out with many of the questions and difficulties that
> we had. Thanks so much for your kindness and generousity!!
>
> All the best,
>
> ShawnBy comparison, what's the latest hot ticket AMD running I wonder?
AA
"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:4357157f$1@linux...
>
> Just found this in my computer archives (From 9 years ago):
>
> The newest versions of the Beowulf cluster, linking 16 Intel Pentium Pro
> processors with Fast Ethernet networks, attained over one gigaFLOPS
> sustained
> on a cosmological N-body simulation. The architecture was conceived by the
> Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences (USRA CESDIS)
> at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. The NASA High Performance Computing
> and Communications (HPCC) Program's Earth and Space Sciences (ESS) Project
> funds continuing development.
>
> Supercomputing '96 attendees will be able to inspect the systems at the
> Caltech
> Center for Advanced Computing Research (#R62) and Los Alamos (#R86)
> research
> exhibits November 18-21. Tied together with 16 additional Ethernet
> channels,
> the two Beowulfs will work in concert to realize greater than 2 gigaFLOPS
> on several demonstrations.
> _________________________________________
>
> The new G5 is 76.6 gigaflops.
>
> _______________________________________
> First Cray Supercomputer CDC 6600 -1964, 9 megaflops (not Gigaflops) for
> 7 Million $$.
> Cray-CDC 7600 (40 megaflops) used for US Moon Landing 1969.
>
> 76.6 gigaflops!!! Music should be writing itself at this speed.
>
>yeah, but those cybers and crays look damn cool in the living room. i
especially like the cray 2's flourinert fountain. the connection
machine was pretty sweet with all those lights.
of course, many computing purests still swear by their dec pdp-11's.
go figure!
- paul artola
ellicott city, maryland
On 20 Oct 2005 13:56:47 +1000, "gene lennon"
<glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>Just found this in my computer archives (From 9 years ago):
>
>The newest versions of the Beowulf cluster, linking 16 Intel Pentium Pro
>processors with Fast Ethernet networks, attained over one gigaFLOPS sustained
>on a cosmological N-body simulation. The architecture was conceived by the
>Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences (USRA CESDIS)
>at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. The NASA High Performance Computing
>and Communications (HPCC) Program's Earth and Space Sciences (ESS) Project
>funds continuing development.
>
>Supercomputing '96 attendees will be able to inspect the systems at the Caltech
>Center for Advanced Computing Research (#R62) and Los Alamos (#R86) research
>exhibits November 18–21. Tied together with 16 additional Ethernet channels,
>the two Beowulfs will work in concert to realize greater than 2 gigaFLOPS
>on several demonstrations.
>_________________________________________
>
>The new G5 is 76.6 gigaflops.
>
>_______________________________________
>First Cray Supercomputer CDC 6600 –1964, 9 megaflops (not Gigaflops) for
>7 Million $$.
>Cray-CDC 7600 (40 megaflops) used for US Moon Landing 1969.
>
>76.6 gigaflops!!! Music should be writing itself at this speed.
>Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>yeah, but those cybers and crays look damn cool in the living room. i
>especially like the cray 2's flourinert fountain. the connection
>machine was pretty sweet with all those lights.
>
>of course, many computing purests still swear by their dec pdp-11's.
>go figure!
>
>- paul artola
> ellicott city, maryland
Paul,
You could probably get a Cray for about $60.00 at the Trenton State Computer
Fair.
Stuff a Mac inside and you will be about 6+Million ahead. You will still
have the lights.
Genethat would look sooooo cool sitting in the machine room next to a mockup of
an Ampex 1200.
;o)
"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:43571f6d$1@linux...
>
> Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
> >yeah, but those cybers and crays look damn cool in the living room. i
> >especially like the cray 2's flourinert fountain. the connection
> >machine was pretty sweet with all those lights.
> >
> >of course, many computing purests still swear by their dec pdp-11's.
> >go figure!
> >
> >- paul artola
> > ellicott city, maryland
>
> Paul,
> You could probably get a Cray for about $60.00 at the Trenton State
Computer
> Fair.
> Stuff a Mac inside and you will be about 6+Million ahead. You will still
> have the lights.
> Gene
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"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>that would look sooooo cool sitting in the machine room next to a mockup
of
>an Ampex 1200.
>
>;o)
>
I would like this for a garden sculpture.
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---=_linux43572713--"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>Just found this in my computer archives (From 9 years ago):
>
>The newest versions of the Beowulf cluster, linking 16 Intel Pentium Pro
>processors with Fast Ethernet networks, attained over one gigaFLOPS sustained
>on a cosmological N-body simulation. The architecture was conceived by the
>Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences (USRA CESDIS)
>at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. The NASA High Performance Computing
>and Communications (HPCC) Program's Earth and Space Sciences (ESS) Project
>funds continuing development.
>
>Supercomputing '96 attendees will be able to inspect the systems at the
Caltech
>Center for Advanced Computing Research (#R62) and Los Alamos (#R86) research
>exhibits November 18–21. Tied together with 16 additional Ethernet channels,
>the two Beowulfs will work in concert to realize greater than 2 gigaFLOPS
>on several demonstrations.
>_________________________________________
>
>The new G5 is 76.6 gigaflops.
>
>_______________________________________
>First Cray Supercomputer CDC 6600 –1964, 9 megaflops (not Gigaflops) for
>7 Million $$.
>Cray-CDC 7600 (40 megaflops) used for US Moon Landing 1969.
>
>76.6 gigaflops!!! Music should be writing itself at this speed.
>
>
That's funny! My sister is a computer science major, she once said that
my little iBook in the 1960's would have been a super computer and it would
have been top secret. I had to laugh because I think it's a little slow."gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>that would look sooooo cool sitting in the machine room next to a mockup
>of
>>an Ampex 1200.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>I would like this for a garden sculpture.
It looks like a circular bench.
Apple supposedly has a cylindrical computer tower design that they might
use in a future model. It's hexagon or octagon shaped, and is metal or has
a metallic finish. I wonder if this is where they got the idea for that
design???
Now you know what the next Mac tower will look like."James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>It looks like a circular bench.
Yes a nice garden bench with a thingamajig in the middle.
Don’t ask why, but I have a PDF version of the Cray-1 Manual.
If anyone would like a copy you can get it at:
http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2349OE2KMHB5B05R0GIC2C3GR B
Its 1.4 meg"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Well gee whiz, Gene, if your giving it away, I'll take it; ) You can
leave
>>all your audio software on there especially the plugins! You can even
leave
>>your audio files on there, it'll give me something new to listen to.
>>
>>Always wanted one of those crappy old dual 2 Gig G5s!
>>
>
>Well, it looks like the new box will be just over twice as powerful as my
>2X2, but as tempting as it is, my MOTU PCI cards won’t work. Hard to justify
>it just for e-mail.
>But if I decide to give away my 2X2, I’ll keep you in mind.
>
>Perhaps Magma will come out with a PCI Express to PCI box.
>
>Gene
>
"Oh the pain" (DR. Smith)
Warning, Rant ahead!
The whole Apple PCI thing bums me out! With the G5 they dropped all backwards
compatibility with standard PCI and O/S 9. That's why I bought one of the
last G4 machines in August last year. I love Apples products but I hate
their new MS style tactics.
There new software products like Aperture, will run on a G4 PowerBook, but
they are going to block you out from using that software on any other G4
machine, like my new 14 month old G4 tower. In other words, if you want
to use our new $350.00 software, your going to have to buy a new $2000.00
G5 machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To me that is bad business and leaves a bad taste
in my mouth, so to speak. I won't up grade until I absolutely have to.
They dropped VST support in their Audio products. That sucks! If you want
to use their DVD authoring products, you have to buy a computer with their
Apple SuperDrive in stalled, and there is no easy upgrade path. You can't
buy an external DVD burner and use Apple's software. There is no MPEG 2 support
in their DVD and video software. You have to encode everything, it's not
real time!!! You cant just import MPEG 2 files and go. What ever happened
to ease of use and industry standards???
I once tried to encode 1 hour of QT video to MPEG 2 on my iBook with Toast,
to burn to an external Pioneer DVD burner. It took 13 hours and then crashed.
I had a 13 hour coaster. I went out an spent a total of $50.00 bucks after
rebates, and got two PCI cards for my PC that can rip and burn in real time.
The video looks as good as, or better than the encoded Apple stuff I've
spent hours and hours on ripping, encoding from QT to MPEG 2! Apples answer
at the time was to spend $3000.00 to get the latest G5 to encode video faster!
Encode!!!!!! How about directly supporting MPEG 2, the DVD standard!!!!!!!!!
What Apple should do is build an external SuperDrive in a case that looks
like the Mac Mini case and make it stackable. On the back side of this case
they should have analog and FireWire ports and a real time hardware MPEG
2, MPEG 4 encoder. They should charge $299.00 and $149 for the plain DVD
burner. These external drives should be compatible all the way back to G3
models. They would sell a lot of these, but they want to lock you out and
force you to buy the next machine their selling instead.
They could add value, but instead they force obsolescence on us. That's
what I don't like about Apple these days. The new G5s has a lot of wow factor,
but the question is what does it mean to me? When I bought my Dual 2.0 Gig
G5, I had to cancel the order when I found out it wouldn't work with any
of the hardware I already owned. There slogan should have been, The totally
cool, totally fast, totally unusable G5! In my case that's the way it worked
out for me. Speed is great, but with out everything else I need, it's useless
to me.
So now we are all suppose to buy again and buy all new PCI stuff to fit their
new PCI scheme??? Why didn't they put in something that would make their
PCI slots backwards compatible? I don't get it.
I won't be buying A G5 anytime soon, especially with the intel models coming
soon. they'll get hacked and people will be running Windows XP on them in
addition to OSX, I'm betting. I wonder which will be faster, the G5 Apple
or the Intel Apple???
Dreams:
I'd like to see a Mac mini and iMac with A/V ports and a TV tuner built in.
Apple won't do this because they want you to buy your TV shows from the
iTunes store. I'd also like to see a dual processor iMac with dual monitor
capability and three standard PCI slots. They could hide the PCI slots with
covers and a cable management system. I guess it wouldn't be so quite anymore,
oh well.
If they would only bring the prices down more on there entire line especially
the pro systems.
Other then all the above mentioned, I love Apples products and the wow factor.
Rant Off.unfortunately for PT HD users it's going with pci express slots.
On 20 Oct 2005 08:40:17 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>FYI, Mac G5 Quad introduce dual-core PowerPC processors.
>
>http://www.apple.com/powermac
>
>
>JamesHi John,
Are you on W98 or W98SE ? If it's SE, there's a patch you can install to
allow formatting drives greater than 128GB - I've got a few 200GB drives
that I formatted after installing the patch.
You can find the patch on MS's website if you search around, or I can email
it to you.
Cheers,
Stewart.
John wrote in message <4354dc45$1@linux>...
>I'm going back to win98 after way too many crashes/wasted time with xp
>and paris. Is this true regarding drive size in win98?
>Thanks,
>John
>
>
>
>The usable size limit for a FAT32 partition in Windows 98/Me/XP is 128
>gigabytes (137 billion bytes). The reason for this limit is that
>FAT32 disk tools such as Scandisk and Defrag cannot work with drives
>that have more than 4.1 million total clusters and the maximum
>supported cluster size is 32K.
>
>Your hardware, especially the BIOS may also impose limits on the size
>of the hard drive that it will recognize. Check with the
>computer/motherboard manufacturer for this information.
>
>But if your hardware will support drives larger than 128 gb they will
>have to be partitioned so that no partition is larger than 128 gb in
>order to be usable under Windows 98.
>
>Good luck
>
>Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
>--
>Microsoft MVPI wonder if Shiny Box will offer any of these rebranded with a Ludahl tranny
on em.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Four New Models Added to Nady's Ribbon Mic Line.
>
>http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2005/RSM-1-3-4-5.html
>
>
>Jameshey,
do any of you have 2 spare jumpers for the eds1000 card that you could
sell me? these are the little ones that connect the cards together.
Mine, for some reason, are flakey.
jefI'm on win98se, do i need a new fdisk and format?
Sound Dog wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Are you on W98 or W98SE ? If it's SE, there's a patch you can install to
> allow formatting drives greater than 128GB - I've got a few 200GB drives
> that I formatted after installing the patch.
>
> You can find the patch on MS's website if you search around, or I can email
> it to you.
>
> Cheers,
> Stewart.
>
>
> John wrote in message <4354dc45$1@linux>...
>
>>I'm going back to win98 after way too many crashes/wasted time with xp
>>and paris. Is this true regarding drive size in win98?
>>Thanks,
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>The usable size limit for a FAT32 partition in Windows 98/Me/XP is 128
>>gigabytes (137 billion bytes). The reason for this limit is that
>>FAT32 disk tools such as Scandisk and Defrag cannot work with drives
>>that have more than 4.1 million total clusters and the maximum
>>supported cluster size is 32K.
>>
>>Your hardware, especially the BIOS may also impose limits on the size
>>of the hard drive that it will recognize. Check with the
>>computer/motherboard manufacturer for this information.
>>
>>But if your hardware will support drives larger than 128 gb they will
>>have to be partitioned so that no partition is larger than 128 gb in
>>order to be usable under Windows 98.
>>
>>Good luck
>>
>>Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
>>--
>>Microsoft MVP
>
>
>I worked at the Vancouver Stock Exchange straight out of high school.
The had these data storage units that were the size of washing
machines in the computer room.... rows of them! :-)
David.
gene lennon wrote:
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>>that would look sooooo cool sitting in the machine room next to a mockup
>
> of
>
>>an Ampex 1200.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>
> I would like this for a garden sculpture.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------
>Did anyone follow up on Morgan's ribbon mic deal? Interested in
opinions from those who know more about mics than I do
(everybody).(hey Morgan - don't ya luv me no more? Been
e-mailing you :-) )
Mic.Thanks Aaron,
I'm on a PC running XP and Paris 3.0.
Could you process "batches" of files as opposed to one file at a time (at
24 bit)?
Shawn
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>PC or Mac?
>OS version?
>Paris version?
>
>On XP I can't get the beta release of pafwav convertor to work on 16 bit
>files, only 24 bit FYI.. maybe someone here has had better luck..
>
>AA
>
>"Shawn Johnsen" <info@nospamsuperhitchcockradio.com> wrote in message
>news:4356fd2e$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> I am probably going to be putting my Paris system up for sale this next
>> week
>> and was just curious if the paf-wav converter can be used to convert large
>> amounts of files at a time or if you have to do one at a time? I'd like
>> to have access to the files to open in Cubase when I'm done (when Paris
is
>> gone...). Is this the best way to go about it?
>>
>> Thanks for any insight on this!
>>
>> Btw, you guys have been awesome. I've been "lurking" here daily since
>> 2001
>> and you guys helped out with many of the questions and difficulties that
>> we had. Thanks so much for your kindness and generousity!!
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Shawn
>
>Yeah, you'll need to install a patch for FDISK - which I've since found out
works for both W98 and W98SE - if you want to install hard disk drives
greater than 64GB. Formatting will be no problem (at least, I had no
issues).
One thing to watch for is that the FDISK window might look strange, the
characters wrap around to the next line so you have to be careful about the
numbers you type in. (That will make sense once you're doing it.)
You can read up about it here: -
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;263044. And you can
download the patch from there too (or I can email it).
There's a document floating around (of which I have a soft copy) that
details how to format and tweak a W98 PC, if you like I can send you that
also.
Cheers,
Stewart.
John wrote in message <4357aa75@linux>...
>I'm on win98se, do i need a new fdisk and format?
>
>Sound Dog wrote:
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Are you on W98 or W98SE ? If it's SE, there's a patch you can install
to
>> allow formatting drives greater than 128GB - I've got a few 200GB drives
>> that I formatted after installing the patch.
>>
>> You can find the patch on MS's website if you search around, or I can
email
>> it to you.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Stewart.
>>
>>
>> John wrote in message <4354dc45$1@linux>...
>>
>>>I'm going back to win98 after way too many crashes/wasted time with xp
>>>and paris. Is this true regarding drive size in win98?
>>>Thanks,
>>>John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The usable size limit for a FAT32 partition in Windows 98/Me/XP is 128
>>>gigabytes (137 billion bytes). The reason for this limit is that
>>>FAT32 disk tools such as Scandisk and Defrag cannot work with drives
>>>that have more than 4.1 million total clusters and the maximum
>>>supported cluster size is 32K.
>>>
>>>Your hardware, especially the BIOS may also impose limits on the size
>>>of the hard drive that it will recognize. Check with the
>>>computer/motherboard manufacturer for this information.
>>>
>>>But if your hardware will support drives larger than 128 gb they will
>>>have to be partitioned so that no partition is larger than 128 gb in
>>>order to be usable under Windows 98.
>>>
>>>Good luck
>>>
>>>Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
>>>--
>>>Microsoft MVP
>>
>>
>>You can build them yourself. Just go to your local electronic supply (not
radio shack), get some 10 pin and 16 pin connectors, some ribbon cable, and
crimp away. Probably cost you fifty cents.
-Carl
"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
news:43579f98@linux...
> hey,
>
> do any of you have 2 spare jumpers for the eds1000 card that you could
> sell me? these are the little ones that connect the cards together.
> Mine, for some reason, are flakey.
>
> jefHey Shawn,
Do you have Wavelab? You can batch process with it. You would have
to render the files in Paris first, then batch them out to 0 start
wavs. I did this for a client last week and it worked flawlessly.
David.
ps. Thanks for the heads up, but we are well stocked on spares!
Shawn Johnsen wrote:
> Thanks Aaron,
>
> I'm on a PC running XP and Paris 3.0.
>
> Could you process "batches" of files as opposed to one file at a time (at
> 24 bit)?
>
> Shawn
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>>PC or Mac?
>>OS version?
>>Paris version?
>>
>>On XP I can't get the beta release of pafwav convertor to work on 16 bit
>
>
>>files, only 24 bit FYI.. maybe someone here has had better luck..
>>
>>AA
>>
>>"Shawn Johnsen" <info@nospamsuperhitchcockradio.com> wrote in message
>>news:4356fd2e$1@linux...
>>
>>>Hey Guys,
>>>
>>>I am probably going to be putting my Paris system up for sale this next
>
>
>>>week
>>>and was just curious if the paf-wav converter can be used to convert large
>>>amounts of files at a time or if you have to do one at a time? I'd like
>>>to have access to the files to open in Cubase when I'm done (when Paris
>
> is
>
>>>gone...). Is this the best way to go about it?
>>>
>>>Thanks for any insight on this!
>>>
>>>Btw, you guys have been awesome. I've been "lurking" here daily since
>
>
>>>2001
>>>and you guys helped out with many of the questions and difficulties that
>>>we had. Thanks so much for your kindness and generousity!!
>>>
>>>All the best,
>>>
>>>Shawn
>>
>>
>Ya know........I'm getting fairly busy with mastering projects here. Just
'fer grins, I bought the Har Bal program. I don't think it is something that
is a magic bullet and will be a substitute for the hard work it takes to get
a good mix done. Not by any stretch, but I have been applying it to some
files that I previously mastered that I was 90% happy with and I have taken
these to around the 98% level. Since the last 2% will never be possible for
me (because this is the area where I second guess myself and every other
mastering job I've ever heard), I'm thinking this program can be an
extremely useful tool. I've only tried it with a couple of songs so far and
the results are subtle, but definitely a positive step.Thanks Dave-
I don't have Wavelab, but I was thinking of picking up a copy. Do you know
what versions this will work in? I think Steinberg.ca sells a copy for $99
(3.0). Thanks for the help!
Shawn
EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>Hey Shawn,
>
>Do you have Wavelab? You can batch process with it. You would have
>to render the files in Paris first, then batch them out to 0 start
>wavs. I did this for a client last week and it worked flawlessly.
>
>David.
>
>ps. Thanks for the heads up, but we are well stocked on spares!
>
>Shawn Johnsen wrote:
>
>> Thanks Aaron,
>>
>> I'm on a PC running XP and Paris 3.0.
>>
>> Could you process "batches" of files as opposed to one file at a time
(at
>> 24 bit)?
>>
>> Shawn
>>
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>
>>>PC or Mac?
>>>OS version?
>>>Paris version?
>>>
>>>On XP I can't get the beta release of pafwav convertor to work on 16 bit
>>
>>
>>>files, only 24 bit FYI.. maybe someone here has had better luck..
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>"Shawn Johnsen" <info@nospamsuperhitchcockradio.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4356fd2e$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>Hey Guys,
>>>>
>>>>I am probably going to be putting my Paris system up for sale this next
>>
>>
>>>>week
>>>>and was just curious if the paf-wav converter can be used to convert
large
>>>>amounts of files at a time or if you have to do one at a time? I'd like
>>>>to have access to the files to open in Cubase when I'm done (when Paris
>>
>> is
>>
>>>>gone...). Is this the best way to go about it?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for any insight on this!
>>>>
>>>>Btw, you guys have been awesome. I've been "lurking" here daily since
>>
>>
>>>>2001
>>>>and you guys helped out with many of the questions and difficulties that
>>>>we had. Thanks so much for your kindness and generousity!!
>>>>
>>>>All the best,
>>>>
>>>>Shawn
>>>
>>>
>>If you are running on XP, the V3 copy won't run. You would have to
get Wavelab Essential (which is an updated V3). Essential does have
batch processing and would be a valuable addition to a Cubase rig. We
usually stock it, but I'm out right now.
David.
Shawn Johnsen wrote:
> Thanks Dave-
>
> I don't have Wavelab, but I was thinking of picking up a copy. Do you know
> what versions this will work in? I think Steinberg.ca sells a copy for $99
> (3.0). Thanks for the help!
>
> Shawn
>
>
> EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>
>>Hey Shawn,
>>
>>Do you have Wavelab? You can batch process with it. You would have
>>to render the files in Paris first, then batch them out to 0 start
>>wavs. I did this for a client last week and it worked flawlessly.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>ps. Thanks for the heads up, but we are well stocked on spares!
>>
>>Shawn Johnsen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Thanks Aaron,
>>>
>>>I'm on a PC running XP and Paris 3.0.
>>>
>>>Could you process "batches" of files as opposed to one file at a time
>
> (at
>
>>>24 bit)?
>>>
>>>Shawn
>>>
>>>
>>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>PC or Mac?
>>>>OS version?
>>>>Paris version?
>>>>
>>>>On XP I can't get the beta release of pafwav convertor to work on 16 bit
>>>
>>>
>>>>files, only 24 bit FYI.. maybe someone here has had better luck..
>>>>
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>"Shawn Johnsen" <info@nospamsuperhitchcockradio.com> wrote in message
>
>
>>>>news:4356fd2e$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hey Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>>I am probably going to be putting my Paris system up for sale this next
>>>
>>>
>>>>>week
>>>>>and was just curious if the paf-wav converter can be used to convert
>
> large
>
>>>>>amounts of files at a time or if you have to do one at a time? I'd like
>>>>>to have access to the files to open in Cubase when I'm done (when Paris
>>>
>>>is
>>>
>>>
>>>>>gone...). Is this the best way to go about it?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for any insight on this!
>>>>>
>>>>>Btw, you guys have been awesome. I've been "lurking" here daily since
>>>
>>>
>>>>>2001
>>>>>and you guys helped out with many of the questions and difficulties that
>>>>>we had. Thanks so much for your kindness and generousity!!
>>>>>
>>>>>All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>>Shawn
>>>>
>>>>
>Congrats...be safe my friend!
Tyrone"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4357eaf8@linux...
> Ya know........I'm getting fairly busy with mastering projects here. Just
> 'fer grins, I bought the Har Bal program. I don't think it is something
that
> is a magic bullet and will be a substitute for the hard work it takes to
get
> a good mix done. Not by any stretch, but I have been applying it to some
> files that I previously mastered that I was 90% happy with and I have
taken
> these to around the 98% level. Since the last 2% will never be possible
for
> me (because this is the area where I second guess myself and every other
> mastering job I've ever heard), I'm thinking this program can be an
> extremely useful tool. I've only tried it with a couple of songs so far
and
> the results are subtle, but definitely a positive step.
I've got it and I think it does a good job when the mix is close. If the mix
is far off, you can't expect any program to magically fix it. It's nice to
have a visual representation of what is going on.How much does "Wavelab Essential" usually run?
Thanks Dave,
Shawn
EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>If you are running on XP, the V3 copy won't run. You would have to
>get Wavelab Essential (which is an updated V3). Essential does have
>batch processing and would be a valuable addition to a Cubase rig. We
>usually stock it, but I'm out right now.
>
>David.
>
>
>Shawn Johnsen wrote:
>
>> Thanks Dave-
>>
>> I don't have Wavelab, but I was thinking of picking up a copy. Do you
know
>> what versions this will work in? I think Steinberg.ca sells a copy for
$99
>> (3.0). Thanks for the help!
>>
>> Shawn
>>
>>
>> EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hey Shawn,
>>>
>>>Do you have Wavelab? You can batch process with it. You would have
>>>to render the files in Paris first, then batch them out to 0 start
>>>wavs. I did this for a client last week and it worked flawlessly.
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>ps. Thanks for the heads up, but we are well stocked on spares!
>>>
>>>Shawn Johnsen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thanks Aaron,
>>>>
>>>>I'm on a PC running XP and Paris 3.0.
>>>>
>>>>Could you process "batches" of files as opposed to one file at a time
>>
>> (at
>>
>>>>24 bit)?
>>>>
>>>>Shawn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>PC or Mac?
>>>>>OS version?
>>>>>Paris version?
>>>>>
>>>>>On XP I can't get the beta release of pafwav convertor to work on 16
bit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>files, only 24 bit FYI.. maybe someone here has had better luck..
>>>>>
>>>>>AA
>>>>>
>>>>>"Shawn Johnsen" <info@nospamsuperhitchcockradio.com> wrote in message
>>
>>
>>>>>news:4356fd2e$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey Guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am probably going to be putting my Paris system up for sale this
next
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>week
>>>>>>and was just curious if the paf-wav converter can be used to convert
>>
>> large
>>
>>>>>>amounts of files at a time or if you have to do one at a time? I'd
like
>>>>>>to have access to the files to open in Cubase when I'm done (when Paris
>>>>
>>>>is
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>gone...). Is this the best way to go about it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for any insight on this!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Btw, you guys have been awesome. I've been "lurking" here daily since
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>2001
>>>>>>and you guys helped out with many of the questions and difficulties
that
>>>>>>we had. Thanks so much for your kindness and generousity!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All the best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Shawn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>I've used Har Bal on a few things, and have the same opinion as you guys.
Useful tool. Not a magic bullet.
Rod
"Sanbar" <sanbar@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:4357eaf8@linux...
>> Ya know........I'm getting fairly busy with mastering projects here. Just
>> 'fer grins, I bought the Har Bal program. I don't think it is something
>that
>> is a magic bullet and will be a substitute for the hard work it takes
to
>get
>> a good mix done. Not by any stretch, but I have been applying it to some
>> files that I previously mastered that I was 90% happy with and I have
>taken
>> these to around the 98% level. Since the last 2% will never be possible
>for
>> me (because this is the area where I second guess myself and every other
>> mastering job I've ever heard), I'm thinking this program can be an
>> extremely useful tool. I've only tried it with a couple of songs so far
>and
>> the results are subtle, but definitely a positive step.
>
>
>I've got it and I think it does a good job when the mix is close. If the
mix
>is far off, you can't expect any program to magically fix it. It's nice
to
>have a visual representation of what is going on.
>
>Most recently used it to eq a snare I was having problems with. Put in
a sample I liked for reference and it helped get me in the ballpark much
faster.
JH
Rod Lincoln wrote:
> I've used Har Bal on a few things, and have the same opinion as you guys.
> Useful tool. Not a magic bullet.
> Rod
> "Sanbar" <sanbar@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>news:4357eaf8@linux...
>>
>>>Ya know........I'm getting fairly busy with mastering projects here. Just
>>>'fer grins, I bought the Har Bal program. I don't think it is something
>>
>>that
>>
>>>is a magic bullet and will be a substitute for the hard work it takes
>
> to
>
>>get
>>
>>>a good mix done. Not by any stretch, but I have been applying it to some
>>>files that I previously mastered that I was 90% happy with and I have
>>
>>taken
>>
>>>these to around the 98% level. Since the last 2% will never be possible
>>
>>for
>>
>>>me (because this is the area where I second guess myself and every other
>>>mastering job I've ever heard), I'm thinking this program can be an
>>>extremely useful tool. I've only tried it with a couple of songs so far
>>
>>and
>>
>>>the results are subtle, but definitely a positive step.
>>
>>
>>I've got it and I think it does a good job when the mix is close. If the
>
> mix
>
>>is far off, you can't expect any program to magically fix it. It's nice
>
> to
>
>>have a visual representation of what is going on.
>>
>>
>
>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20051020/D8DC1GO82.htmlCan anyone comment on given the choice of 98se or ME which is better for
paris and why?
ThanksJohn, I can only address half of this equation. I have used 98SE since I was
introduced to Paris in 2001. It has been quite stable for me and personally
I see no reason to change.
I can also add that most of my colleagues who own Paris and use 98 as their
OS went with SE over ME. I cannot recall the detail as to why this is, but
I'm sure someone will chime in with more detail.
TyroneAbout two months ago, someone had a Cray T3D on eBay for $26000. That
was a multimillion dollar machine about 10 years ago.
Back in the days when I was programming on Cray XMPs, our terminal
room was driven by another room full of "mini" computers, which served
as the front end for the Crays. On occasion, the mini computers would
crash, and someone would have to reload the bootloader from CASSETTE.
Imagine that? $20 mill worth of supercomputers run by a few mill worth
of interface computers and the whole thing controlled by a cassette.
I could have laughed like hell.
- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland
On 20 Oct 2005 14:39:09 +1000, "gene lennon"
<glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>>yeah, but those cybers and crays look damn cool in the living room. i
>>especially like the cray 2's flourinert fountain. the connection
>>machine was pretty sweet with all those lights.
>>
>>of course, many computing purests still swear by their dec pdp-11's.
>>go figure!
>>
>>- paul artola
>> ellicott city, maryland
>
>Paul,
>You could probably get a Cray for about $60.00 at the Trenton State Computer
>Fair.
>Stuff a Mac inside and you will be about 6+Million ahead. You will still
>have the lights.
>GeneHere's my experiences with both OS's:
I've used both but neither at the moment.. I've gone XP for stability in the
OS and keeping up my other software/network concerns.
98se is more stable on the long term than ME but it has midi timing and IRQ
issues that kept me from wanting to go back. Be aware that I and others have
found that IRQ assignements are sometimes backwards between the two OS's.
ME: improved internal timing with MIDI, system restore added and better
security. It also for whatever reason seems to run better on newer machines
than 98. However, it suffers from the same DLL rot 98se has, only it's worse
and happens faster. Problem being, MS made a frankenstein monster brew of it
and Win2000. The way to deal with this is Ghost an image once your setup is
running the way you want, and refresh the image every few months. ME also
has better hardware support, of particular interest video drivers/handling
and multi monitors.. big for me because I run 3 screens. DirectX also is
better, and that means that you may have more life left in plugs because of
it before you are forced to the next newest OS, which would be XP. ME also
seems to handle RAM usage better, and I felt it was a snappier system with
the exact same hardware.
Help any?
AA
-----------
Can anyone comment on given the choice of 98se or ME which is better for
paris and why?
Thanks
-------------Thinking of picking up a couple of these for overheads, ACC guitars / dobro
/ mandolin...etc
Thanks
Rob_AIs this much different than Steinberg's spectral anylizer that has also has
a learn funtion as well?
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Ya know........I'm getting fairly busy with mastering projects here. Just
>'fer grins, I bought the Har Bal program. I don't think it is something
that
>is a magic bullet and will be a substitute for the hard work it takes to
get
>a good mix done. Not by any stretch, but I have been applying it to some
>files that I previously mastered that I was 90% happy with and I have taken
>these to around the 98% level. Since the last 2% will never be possible
for
>me (because this is the area where I second guess myself and every other
>mastering job I've ever heard), I'm thinking this program can be an
>extremely useful tool. I've only tried it with a couple of songs so far
and
>the results are subtle, but definitely a positive step.
>
>
>I'm looking at the Waves GTR or M-Audio Black box for recording. I was wondering
if anybody has any opinions on either of these Guitar Processors for recording?
I'm also considering Guitar rig and the latest version of Amplitube. I've
been told the POD and Amplitube suck??? Opinions???
I'm looking to get usable guitar productions (good tone). I would like to
have some versatility as opposed to a one trick pony amp, for the same kind
of money. So the question is, is any of this stuff up to the task? I'll
be mainly recording rhythm guitar with occasional noodleing. Mainly doing
Rock, Heavy Rock, a bit of metal, Country and Pop.
I've owned Guitar effect processors ten years ago, none of them sounded vary
good to me. I sold everything off. I have a new Steve Vai model Ibanez
I picked up from a friend. I have a SansAmp GT 2, and old Crate GT 40 C
(Cheap sounding amp), Nigel plugin from UA, and a direct box. That's the
extent of my Guitar gear.
There are so many new guitar processors out there now. Being that I'm a
drummer it's a little tuff to figure out how to get good, usable guitar sound
on a $600.00 budget.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
JamesHi James,
I have the pod pro xt, amplituble LE and Guitar Rig, as well as amp farm and Nigel.
I think both the XT Pro and Guitar Rig sound very cool (for recording) with some tweaking.
The Pod has the advantage of saving cpu if you are reamping, as Guitar Rig is a
bit more of a resource hog.
Best thing is to go try them out at your music shop and see what you like.
Cheers,
TC
James McCloskey wrote:
> I'm looking at the Waves GTR or M-Audio Black box for recording. I was wondering
> if anybody has any opinions on either of these Guitar Processors for recording?
> I'm also considering Guitar rig and the latest version of Amplitube. I've
> been told the POD and Amplitube suck??? Opinions???
>
> I'm looking to get usable guitar productions (good tone). I would like to
> have some versatility as opposed to a one trick pony amp, for the same kind
> of money. So the question is, is any of this stuff up to the task? I'll
> be mainly recording rhythm guitar with occasional noodleing. Mainly doing
> Rock, Heavy Rock, a bit of metal, Country and Pop.
>
> I've owned Guitar effect processors ten years ago, none of them sounded vary
> good to me. I sold everything off. I have a new Steve Vai model Ibanez
> I picked up from a friend. I have a SansAmp GT 2, and old Crate GT 40 C
> (Cheap sounding amp), Nigel plugin from UA, and a direct box. That's the
> extent of my Guitar gear.
>
> There are so many new guitar processors out there now. Being that I'm a
> drummer it's a little tuff to figure out how to get good, usable guitar sound
> on a $600.00 budget.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> James
>If they are the original ones with the removable caps, they
would work fairly well. If it is the re-issues you are
talking about... they didn't do a great job re-issuing them.
No where near as good sounding as the 451/452 of old.
David.
Rob Arsenault wrote:
> Thinking of picking up a couple of these for overheads, ACC guitars / dobro
> / mandolin...etc
>
> Thanks
> Rob_A
>
>has anyone used this for studio insulation? I need to insulate an area approx.
16' by 3' that has no insulation, and someone suggested using this. I'm hoping
to cut down on the occasional low-end rumble of big trucks driving by.
Daleguitar rig is pretty cool especially if you run the signal
through external gear and di's before you record.
On 21 Oct 2005 14:47:20 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>I'm looking at the Waves GTR or M-Audio Black box for recording. I was wondering
>if anybody has any opinions on either of these Guitar Processors for recording?
> I'm also considering Guitar rig and the latest version of Amplitube. I've
>been told the POD and Amplitube suck??? Opinions???
>
>I'm looking to get usable guitar productions (good tone). I would like to
>have some versatility as opposed to a one trick pony amp, for the same kind
>of money. So the question is, is any of this stuff up to the task? I'll
>be mainly recording rhythm guitar with occasional noodleing. Mainly doing
>Rock, Heavy Rock, a bit of metal, Country and Pop.
>
>I've owned Guitar effect processors ten years ago, none of them sounded vary
>good to me. I sold everything off. I have a new Steve Vai model Ibanez
>I picked up from a friend. I have a SansAmp GT 2, and old Crate GT 40 C
>(Cheap sounding amp), Nigel plugin from UA, and a direct box. That's the
>extent of my Guitar gear.
>
>There are so many new guitar processors out there now. Being that I'm a
>drummer it's a little tuff to figure out how to get good, usable guitar sound
>on a $600.00 budget.
>
>Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>
>Jamesit is a bit different in that its not automatic. you load your song,
then repeat the procedure for the sound you wish to emulate. the app
then brings up both wave forms and you drag the parts of your song up
to match (or however close you wish to get) that of the other.
On 21 Oct 2005 13:50:10 +1000, "thesandbox"
<mattjbarber.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Is this much different than Steinberg's spectral anylizer that has also has
>a learn funtion as well?
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>Ya know........I'm getting fairly busy with mastering projects here. Just
>>'fer grins, I bought the Har Bal program. I don't think it is something
>that
>>is a magic bullet and will be a substitute for the hard work it takes to
>get
>>a good mix done. Not by any stretch, but I have been applying it to some
>>files that I previously mastered that I was 90% happy with and I have taken
>>these to around the 98% level. Since the last 2% will never be possible
>for
>>me (because this is the area where I second guess myself and every other
>>mastering job I've ever heard), I'm thinking this program can be an
>>extremely useful tool. I've only tried it with a couple of songs so far
>and
>>the results are subtle, but definitely a positive step.
>>
>>
>>re: Amplitube...I can only say that this little plug in helped make the
guitars on my last mixing project...none of the stock presets were of much
help but with very little effort I was able to get some pretty serious
sounds from fairly bland tracks
YMMV of course
Don
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:51chl11q6rcta5mho90681a70hrgd0ualn@4ax.com...
> guitar rig is pretty cool especially if you run the signal
> through external gear and di's before you record.
>
>
> On 21 Oct 2005 14:47:20 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>I'm looking at the Waves GTR or M-Audio Black box for recording. I was
>>wondering
>>if anybody has any opinions on either of these Guitar Processors for
>>recording?
>> I'm also considering Guitar rig and the latest version of Amplitube.
>> I've
>>been told the POD and Amplitube suck??? Opinions???
>>
>>I'm looking to get usable guitar productions (good tone). I would like to
>>have some versatility as opposed to a one trick pony amp, for the same
>>kind
>>of money. So the question is, is any of this stuff up to the task? I'll
>>be mainly recording rhythm guitar with occasional noodleing. Mainly
>>doing
>>Rock, Heavy Rock, a bit of metal, Country and Pop.
>>
>>I've owned Guitar effect processors ten years ago, none of them sounded
>>vary
>>good to me. I sold everything off. I have a new Steve Vai model Ibanez
>>I picked up from a friend. I have a SansAmp GT 2, and old Crate GT 40 C
>>(Cheap sounding amp), Nigel plugin from UA, and a direct box. That's the
>>extent of my Guitar gear.
>>
>>There are so many new guitar processors out there now. Being that I'm a
>>drummer it's a little tuff to figure out how to get good, usable guitar
>>sound
>>on a $600.00 budget.
>>
>>Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>James
>I'll second that
DOn
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:435882ea$1@linux...
> If they are the original ones with the removable caps, they would work
> fairly well. If it is the re-issues you are talking about... they didn't
> do a great job re-issuing them. No where near as good sounding as the
> 451/452 of old.
>
> David.
>
> Rob Arsenault wrote:
>> Thinking of picking up a couple of these for overheads, ACC guitars /
>> dobro / mandolin...etc
>>
>> Thanks
>> Rob_AWhat's it worth?
DOn
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4357eaf8@linux...
> Ya know........I'm getting fairly busy with mastering projects here. Just
> 'fer grins, I bought the Har Bal program. I don't think it is something
> that
> is a magic bullet and will be a substitute for the hard work it takes to
> get
> a good mix done. Not by any stretch, but I have been applying it to some
> files that I previously mastered that I was 90% happy with and I have
> taken
> these to around the 98% level. Since the last 2% will never be possible
> for
> me (because this is the area where I second guess myself and every other
> mastering job I've ever heard), I'm thinking this program can be an
> extremely useful tool. I've only tried it with a couple of songs so far
> and
> the results are subtle, but definitely a positive step.
>
>
>Seems like the guitar itself may not be the right choice.
Why not something classic that has been played in many genres?
A real strat or Les Paul or even perhaps a Tele with u humbucker in the bridge.
Add that to a small tube amp of sorts, like a fender champ.
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>re: Amplitube...I can only say that this little plug in helped make the
>guitars on my last mixing project...none of the stock presets were of much
>help but with very little effort I was able to get some pretty serious
>sounds from fairly bland tracks
>
>YMMV of course
>
>Don
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:51chl11q6rcta5mho90681a70hrgd0ualn@4ax.com...
>> guitar rig is pretty cool especially if you run the signal
>> through external gear and di's before you record.
>>
>>
>> On 21 Oct 2005 14:47:20 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I'm looking at the Waves GTR or M-Audio Black box for recording. I was
>>>wondering
>>>if anybody has any opinions on either of these Guitar Processors for
>>>recording?
>>> I'm also considering Guitar rig and the latest version of Amplitube.
>>> I've
>>>been told the POD and Amplitube suck??? Opinions???
>>>
>>>I'm looking to get usable guitar productions (good tone). I would like
to
>>>have some versatility as opposed to a one trick pony amp, for the same
>>>kind
>>>of money. So the question is, is any of this stuff up to the task? I'll
>>>be mainly recording rhythm guitar with occasional noodleing. Mainly
>>>doing
>>>Rock, Heavy Rock, a bit of metal, Country and Pop.
>>>
>>>I've owned Guitar effect processors ten years ago, none of them sounded
>>>vary
>>>good to me. I sold everything off. I have a new Steve Vai model Ibanez
>>>I picked up from a friend. I have a SansAmp GT 2, and old Crate GT 40
C
>>>(Cheap sounding amp), Nigel plugin from UA, and a direct box. That's
the
>>>extent of my Guitar gear.
>>>
>>>There are so many new guitar processors out there now. Being that I'm
a
>>>drummer it's a little tuff to figure out how to get good, usable guitar
>>>sound
>>>on a $600.00 budget.
>>>
>>>Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>James
>>
>
>Do those of you using Har Bal usually keep the changes or go back to the
mix and try to correct issues there and get it closer. Are there destructive
arifacts left if you choose to go with the Har bal Eq?
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>What's it worth?
>
>DOn
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:4357eaf8@linux...
>> Ya know........I'm getting fairly busy with mastering projects here. Just
>> 'fer grins, I bought the Har Bal program. I don't think it is something
>> that
>> is a magic bullet and will be a substitute for the hard work it takes
to
>> get
>> a good mix done. Not by any stretch, but I have been applying it to some
>> files that I previously mastered that I was 90% happy with and I have
>> taken
>> these to around the 98% level. Since the last 2% will never be possible
>> for
>> me (because this is the area where I second guess myself and every other
>> mastering job I've ever heard), I'm thinking this program can be an
>> extremely useful tool. I've only tried it with a couple of songs so far
>> and
>> the results are subtle, but definitely a positive step.
>>
>>
>>
>
>I remember awhile back you did a modification to your 8-in cards (replacing
chips if I recall). I'm just curious to know which one(s) you replaced, if
you noticed any difference, how much the new chips cost, and if you would
recommend doing it.
Thanks!
StephenCorning 703 rigid insulation (rock wool) or equiv won't hurt that's for sure
although if you can create some mass with a couple of sheets of drywall over
top the insulation that wouldn't hurt either.
YMMV
DOn
"Dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4358ad3f$1@linux...
>
> has anyone used this for studio insulation? I need to insulate an area
> approx.
>
> 16' by 3' that has no insulation, and someone suggested using this. I'm
> hoping
> to cut down on the occasional low-end rumble of big trucks driving by.
>
> DaleGotta go with Cujo here...I recorded a POD (don't know the brand) and at the
time it seemed pretty decent until we recorded some real guitar through a
real amp with real mics and then the POD track paled in comparison.
YMMV
DOn
"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:4358ed89$1@linux...
>
> Seems like the guitar itself may not be the right choice.
> Why not something classic that has been played in many genres?
> A real strat or Les Paul or even perhaps a Tele with u humbucker in the
> bridge.
> Add that to a small tube amp of sorts, like a fender champ.
>
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>re: Amplitube...I can only say that this little plug in helped make the
>
>>guitars on my last mixing project...none of the stock presets were of much
>
>>help but with very little effort I was able to get some pretty serious
>>sounds from fairly bland tracks
>>
>>YMMV of course
>>
>>Don
>>
>>
>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:51chl11q6rcta5mho90681a70hrgd0ualn@4ax.com...
>>> guitar rig is pretty cool especially if you run the signal
>>> through external gear and di's before you record.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21 Oct 2005 14:47:20 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm looking at the Waves GTR or M-Audio Black box for recording. I was
>
>>>>wondering
>>>>if anybody has any opinions on either of these Guitar Processors for
>>>>recording?
>>>> I'm also considering Guitar rig and the latest version of Amplitube.
>
>>>> I've
>>>>been told the POD and Amplitube suck??? Opinions???
>>>>
>>>>I'm looking to get usable guitar productions (good tone). I would like
> to
>>>>have some versatility as opposed to a one trick pony amp, for the same
>
>>>>kind
>>>>of money. So the question is, is any of this stuff up to the task?
>>>>I'll
>>>>be mainly recording rhythm guitar with occasional noodleing. Mainly
>
>>>>doing
>>>>Rock, Heavy Rock, a bit of metal, Country and Pop.
>>>>
>>>>I've owned Guitar effect processors ten years ago, none of them sounded
>
>>>>vary
>>>>good to me. I sold everything off. I have a new Steve Vai model
>>>>Ibanez
>>>>I picked up from a friend. I have a SansAmp GT 2, and old Crate GT 40
> C
>>>>(Cheap sounding amp), Nigel plugin from UA, and a direct box. That's
> the
>>>>extent of my Guitar gear.
>>>>
>>>>There are so many new guitar processors out there now. Being that I'm
> a
>>>>drummer it's a little tuff to figure out how to get good, usable guitar
>
>>>>sound
>>>>on a $600.00 budget.
>>>>
>>>>Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>
>>
>>
>I forgot to suggest popping over to Recording.org's acoustic's forum and
asking the same thing with a little more detail
Don
"Dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4358ad3f$1@linux...
>
> has anyone used this for studio insulation? I need to insulate an area
> approx.
>
> 16' by 3' that has no insulation, and someone suggested using this. I'm
> hoping
> to cut down on the occasional low-end rumble of big trucks driving by.
>
> DaleRoom acoustics and soundproofing are a couple of huge cans of worms.
Here are a couple of good resources:
http://www.studiotips.com/
http://www.johnlsayers.com/
Also, check out http://insulationworld.com/prodView.asp?idproduct=631
This is 8 lb./cubic foot mineral board, like the stuff Auralex sells,
but for about half the price.
Good luck!
Gantt
Dale wrote:
> has anyone used this for studio insulation? I need to insulate an area approx.
>
> 16' by 3' that has no insulation, and someone suggested using this. I'm hoping
> to cut down on the occasional low-end rumble of big trucks driving by.
>
> DaleThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Hi,
I used Roxul <www.roxul.com> safe&sound. it is accoustically rated
(somewhat), fire retardant and has worked excellently....and you can get
it a home depot...
jef
Dale wrote:
>has anyone used this for studio insulation? I need to insulate an area approx.
>
>16' by 3' that has no insulation, and someone suggested using this. I'm hoping
>to cut down on the occasional low-end rumble of big trucks driving by.
>
>Dale
>
>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
I used <a href="www.roxul.com">Roxul</a> safe&sound. it is
accoustically rated (somewhat), fire retardant and has worked
excellently....and you can get it a home depot...<br>
<br>
jef<br>
<br>
<br>
Dale wrote:
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Dale
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--------------010804080109030202090206--"Stephen Stecyk" <smp@smppro.com> wrote:
>I remember awhile back you did a modification to your 8-in cards (replacing
>chips if I recall). I'm just curious to know which one(s) you replaced,
if
>you noticed any difference, how much the new chips cost, and if you would
>recommend doing it.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Stephen
>
>
Hi,
I did try the DA card as because everyone raves about the AD Paris conversion
quality...
So on DA card I changed the 4565 chips that are connected to certain outputs.
I don't remember if it was one chip for two channels or two chips for two
channels, anyways you will identify this really quickly as for if you have
8 4565 chips then each output takes one 4565.
I swapped with LM6172.
These are expensive but are the best around.
Single chip costed me around 6 Euros
Try to change only two channels on DA and also on AD ( I would like to someone
else also try this...) and hear for yourself.
On DA there was a noticeable improvement (less distortion, better depth image)
but not exactly as the DA (with LM6172 already there) on RME ADI-PRO8
So I kept DA'ing from RME ADI-PRO8 than from Paris.
I am sure though that in the AD section it will provide a more clear (less
ditortion) more mid info on your recorded tracks.
That's all I know...
Regards,
DimitriosHey James,
I've always been a firm believer that it's good for the mind (and
wallet) to get the very most out of whatever's available.
I don't like that Crate unit, but I've recorded them and if you're
careful you can get a usable sound out of it. The Sans Amp is okay for
some things but generally nasty imho. The Pod, if tweaked well, is a
decent unit for modern sounding stuff, especiall the clean tones, but
like so many "boxes" it lacks the midranges that give a guitar warmth
and "tone".
Amplitube is cool, sort of, but I'm not a big fan of plug-ins. A/B one
against a real amp and you'll get the picture.
My advice? Try to find a nice amp that has lots of ballsy mid's and
enough power to proberly render the lows, get an akg or sennheiser mic
on it, and let'r rip!
I just bought a Vai axe myself, the chrome one (seein' as how my band's
called chrome..hehehe..), very nice alternative to my gold js2000. With
that axe you should get some nice crunch.
jef
James McCloskey wrote:
>I'm looking at the Waves GTR or M-Audio Black box for recording. I was wondering
>if anybody has any opinions on either of these Guitar Processors for recording?
> I'm also considering Guitar rig and the latest version of Amplitube. I've
>been told the POD and Amplitube suck??? Opinions???
>
>I'm looking to get usable guitar productions (good tone). I would like to
>have some versatility as opposed to a one trick pony amp, for the same kind
>of money. So the question is, is any of this stuff up to the task? I'll
>be mainly recording rhythm guitar with occasional noodleing. Mainly doing
>Rock, Heavy Rock, a bit of metal, Country and Pop.
>
>I've owned Guitar effect processors ten years ago, none of them sounded vary
>good to me. I sold everything off. I have a new Steve Vai model Ibanez
>I picked up from a friend. I have a SansAmp GT 2, and old Crate GT 40 C
>(Cheap sounding amp), Nigel plugin from UA, and a direct box. That's the
>extent of my Guitar gear.
>
>There are so many new guitar processors out there now. Being that I'm a
>drummer it's a little tuff to figure out how to get good, usable guitar sound
>on a $600.00 budget.
>
>Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>
>James
>
>
>I agree with the guys.....kinda cool visual ref, but no magic bullet...
jef
DJ wrote:
>Ya know........I'm getting fairly busy with mastering projects here. Just
>'fer grins, I bought the Har Bal program. I don't think it is something that
>is a magic bullet and will be a substitute for the hard work it takes to get
>a good mix done. Not by any stretch, but I have been applying it to some
>files that I previously mastered that I was 90% happy with and I have taken
>these to around the 98% level. Since the last 2% will never be possible for
>me (because this is the area where I second guess myself and every other
>mastering job I've ever heard), I'm thinking this program can be an
>extremely useful tool. I've only tried it with a couple of songs so far and
>the results are subtle, but definitely a positive step.
>
>
>
>
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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hahaha....why didn't I think of that?!
well, as we say around here, "I am so smart, I am so smart..s.m.r.t..."
jef
Carl Amburn wrote:
>You can build them yourself. Just go to your local electronic supply (not
>radio shack), get some 10 pin and 16 pin connectors, some ribbon cable, and
>crimp away. Probably cost you fifty cents.
>
>-Carl
>
>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>news:43579f98@linux...
>
>
>>hey,
>>
>>do any of you have 2 spare jumpers for the eds1000 card that you could
>>sell me? these are the little ones that connect the cards together.
>>Mine, for some reason, are flakey.
>>
>>jef
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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hahaha....why didn't I think of that?!<br>
well, as we say around here, "I am so smart, I am so smart..s.m.r.t..."<br>
jef<br>
<br>
Carl Amburn wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="mid4357cb2c$1@linux" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">You can build them yourself. Just go to your local electronic supply (not
radio shack), get some 10 pin and 16 pin connectors, some ribbon cable, and
crimp away. Probably cost you fifty cents.
-Carl
"jef knight" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com"><thestudio@allknightmusic.com></a> wrote in message
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<pre wrap="">hey,
do any of you have 2 spare jumpers for the eds1000 card that you could
sell me? these are the little ones that connect the cards together.
Mine, for some reason, are flakey.
jef
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--------------010604020606060303050505--I can personally vouch for insulationworld.com. Nice folks and great pricing!
I actually drove to Hopewell, VA to pickup my order. They are primarily a
supplier of industrial insulations, but are very pleased by the increasing
number of studio customers they are seeing.
I purchased seven bundles of their 2" mineral fiber panels (6 per bundle)
for my DIY bass trap and broadband absorber project. The rock wool delivered
fantastic results!
See: http://www.radford.edu/~shelm/acoustics/bass-traps.html
Steve
Gantt Kushner <gizmo@his.com> wrote:
>Room acoustics and soundproofing are a couple of huge cans of worms.
>Here are a couple of good resources:
>
>http://www.studiotips.com/
>http://www.johnlsayers.com/
>
>Also, check out http://insulationworld.com/prodView.asp?idproduct=631
>
>This is 8 lb./cubic foot mineral board, like the stuff Auralex sells,
>but for about half the price.
>
>Good luck!
>
>Gantt
>
>
>Dale wrote:
>
>> has anyone used this for studio insulation? I need to insulate an area
approx.
>>
>> 16' by 3' that has no insulation, and someone suggested using this. I'm
hoping
>> to cut down on the occasional low-end rumble of big trucks driving by.
>>
>> Dale
>From my experience you can get excellent tones using Guitar Amp Pro
(Logic's plugin), Digitech RP2000 and GNX4 (hardware amp/cab/FX
modelers), PODXT Live (hardware amp/cab/FX modeler), ART PowerPlant
(rack mount solid state guitar processor), GK 250ML (solid state amp),
Fender Bassman 50 (tube amp), Fender Twin Reverb (tube amp), Marshall
JCM900 (tube amp) and on and on. There are many viable choices. The
emulation plugins and pedals offer the most flexibility.
You already have Nigel, so may as well start with that and see how it
does. Amplitube has a free amp model you can download. I haven't tried
Guitar Rig but I have a variety of other NI plugins and they sound great.
For programmable pedals and plugins, don't limit yourself to factory
patches. Factory patches often suck. Find your own sounds. If you're
trying to emulate the sound of an artist you like, listen to them and
try to figure out how they got that sound. It's some combination of
playing style, guitar, pickup position, amp settings, cabinet, mic(s)
and position, guitar effects, and studio effects.
If you don't have much experience with guitars, pickup combinations,
amps and cabinets, hang out on guitar forums and you'll get the hang of
it. Experiment. Deconstruct factory patches that you like. With the GNX4
there's a web site where you can download user-made patches to use and
learn from.
I would not be afraid to use the Ibanez. Haven't played the Vai but I
had an Ibanez Roadstar II with coil tap switches - it recorded great
with a wide variety of tones.
One huge advantage of using plugins (and some of the hardware pedals
that have computer i/o) is the ability to "re-amp" your sounds. You
record the performance dry while hearing it through amp model. Then you
have the option to tweak or totally change the amp model later if you
like. Really useful.
Cheers,
-Jamie K
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Don Nafe wrote:
> Gotta go with Cujo here...I recorded a POD (don't know the brand) and at the
> time it seemed pretty decent until we recorded some real guitar through a
> real amp with real mics and then the POD track paled in comparison.
>
> YMMV
>
> DOn
>
>
> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:4358ed89$1@linux...
>
>>Seems like the guitar itself may not be the right choice.
>>Why not something classic that has been played in many genres?
>>A real strat or Les Paul or even perhaps a Tele with u humbucker in the
>>bridge.
>>Add that to a small tube amp of sorts, like a fender champ.
>>
>>
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>re: Amplitube...I can only say that this little plug in helped make the
>>
>>>guitars on my last mixing project...none of the stock presets were of much
>>
>>>help but with very little effort I was able to get some pretty serious
>>>sounds from fairly bland tracks
>>>
>>>YMMV of course
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>
>>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:51chl11q6rcta5mho90681a70hrgd0ualn@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>guitar rig is pretty cool especially if you run the signal
>>>>through external gear and di's before you record.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 21 Oct 2005 14:47:20 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm looking at the Waves GTR or M-Audio Black box for recording. I was
>>
>>>>>wondering
>>>>>if anybody has any opinions on either of these Guitar Processors for
>>>>>recording?
>>>>>I'm also considering Guitar rig and the latest version of Amplitube.
>>
>>>>>I've
>>>>>been told the POD and Amplitube suck??? Opinions???
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm looking to get usable guitar productions (good tone). I would like
>>
>>to
>>
>>>>>have some versatility as opposed to a one trick pony amp, for the same
>>
>>>>>kind
>>>>>of money. So the question is, is any of this stuff up to the task?
>>>>>I'll
>>>>>be mainly recording rhythm guitar with occasional noodleing. Mainly
>>
>>>>>doing
>>>>>Rock, Heavy Rock, a bit of metal, Country and Pop.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've owned Guitar effect processors ten years ago, none of them sounded
>>
>>>>>vary
>>>>>good to me. I sold everything off. I have a new Steve Vai model
>>>>>Ibanez
>>>>>I picked up from a friend. I have a SansAmp GT 2, and old Crate GT 40
>>
>>C
>>
>>>>>(Cheap sounding amp), Nigel plugin from UA, and a direct box. That's
>>
>>the
>>
>>>>>extent of my Guitar gear.
>>>>>
>>>>>There are so many new guitar processors out there now. Being that I'm
>>
>>a
>>
>>>>>drummer it's a little tuff to figure out how to get good, usable guitar
>>
>>>>>sound
>>>>>on a $600.00 budget.
>>>>>
>>>>>Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>
>>>
>
>I'm thinking about getting the gigabyte board below with a 3.0 processor and
1gb of Cosair memory. Does this look like a good fit for an XP setup with
Paris 3.0. Also, how big of a power supply should I be using.
Thanks as always.
Barry
Motherboard
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode= 242609
Memory
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode= 80098-21&ps=ho1I have been out of the country for the past 6 months in the UK with other
work and will be doing some studio upgrades when I get back at the end of
the month. One will be a new comp for PARIS that will also give the most
options still in another year or so (i.e. backup for another DAW, VSTi, etc...)
I do mostly indie and demo stuff around Nashville so PARIS is still my thing
for tracking and mixing to 2bus. I have read the other threads and see that
Kim you got one of these MB's upon Chris's recomendation. Is it still stable
for you? Other recomends ASUS A7V8x or A7N8X though I know also now a bit
dated now. My PARIS was still stable after 3 or so years on my 1.3 athlon
tb but yes it is time to catch up a bit.
3 EDS (will be adding a 4th)
2 MECHi there..I have been using 2.2 for several years...Which runs the best on
XP,2.2 or 3.0 ? Also,exactly how do you install 3.0 if you want to run BOTH
versions?(I have been scared of the dreaded PACE issues) thanks for any
help....I will probably pick up a used Gibson Les Paul or a new Epiphone Les Paul
when I have extra cash. Maybe an SG???
"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>Seems like the guitar itself may not be the right choice.
>Why not something classic that has been played in many genres?
>A real strat or Les Paul or even perhaps a Tele with u humbucker in the
bridge.
>Add that to a small tube amp of sorts, like a fender champ.
>
>
>
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>re: Amplitube...I can only say that this little plug in helped make the
>
>>guitars on my last mixing project...none of the stock presets were of much
>
>>help but with very little effort I was able to get some pretty serious
>>sounds from fairly bland tracks
>>
>>YMMV of course
>>
>>Don
>>
>>
>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:51chl11q6rcta5mho90681a70hrgd0ualn@4ax.com...
>>> guitar rig is pretty cool especially if you run the signal
>>> through external gear and di's before you record.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21 Oct 2005 14:47:20 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm looking at the Waves GTR or M-Audio Black box for recording. I was
>
>>>>wondering
>>>>if anybody has any opinions on either of these Guitar Processors for
>>>>recording?
>>>> I'm also considering Guitar rig and the latest version of Amplitube.
>
>>>> I've
>>>>been told the POD and Amplitube suck??? Opinions???
>>>>
>>>>I'm looking to get usable guitar productions (good tone). I would like
>to
>>>>have some versatility as opposed to a one trick pony amp, for the same
>
>>>>kind
>>>>of money. So the question is, is any of this stuff up to the task?
I'll
>>>>be mainly recording rhythm guitar with occasional noodleing. Mainly
>
>>>>doing
>>>>Rock, Heavy Rock, a bit of metal, Country and Pop.
>>>>
>>>>I've owned Guitar effect processors ten years ago, none of them sounded
>
>>>>vary
>>>>good to me. I sold everything off. I have a new Steve Vai model Ibanez
>>>>I picked up from a friend. I have a SansAmp GT 2, and old Crate GT 40
>C
>>>>(Cheap sounding amp), Nigel plugin from UA, and a direct box. That's
>the
>>>>extent of my Guitar gear.
>>>>
>>>>There are so many new guitar processors out there now. Being that I'm
>a
>>>>drummer it's a little tuff to figure out how to get good, usable guitar
>
>>>>sound
>>>>on a $600.00 budget.
>>>>
>>>>Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>
>>
>>
>I would love to get a good sounding tube amp, but the lack of versatility
and cost are the issues. On a low budget, what would you guys recommend
for a Tube amp for recording?
Back to the box, what about the Johnson J-Station?
Thanks again!
James
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I will probably pick up a used Gibson Les Paul or a new Epiphone Les Paul
>when I have extra cash. Maybe an SG???
>
>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>Seems like the guitar itself may not be the right choice.
>>Why not something classic that has been played in many genres?
>>A real strat or Les Paul or even perhaps a Tele with u humbucker in the
>bridge.
>>Add that to a small tube amp of sorts, like a fender champ.
>>
>>
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>re: Amplitube...I can only say that this little plug in helped make the
>>
>>>guitars on my last mixing project...none of the stock presets were of
much
>>
>>>help but with very little effort I was able to get some pretty serious
>
>>>sounds from fairly bland tracks
>>>
>>>YMMV of course
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>
>>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:51chl11q6rcta5mho90681a70hrgd0ualn@4ax.com...
>>>> guitar rig is pretty cool especially if you run the signal
>>>> through external gear and di's before you record.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 21 Oct 2005 14:47:20 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm looking at the Waves GTR or M-Audio Black box for recording. I
was
>>
>>>>>wondering
>>>>>if anybody has any opinions on either of these Guitar Processors for
>
>>>>>recording?
>>>>> I'm also considering Guitar rig and the latest version of Amplitube.
>>
>>>>> I've
>>>>>been told the POD and Amplitube suck??? Opinions???
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm looking to get usable guitar productions (good tone). I would like
>>to
>>>>>have some versatility as opposed to a one trick pony amp, for the same
>>
>>>>>kind
>>>>>of money. So the question is, is any of this stuff up to the task?
>I'll
>>>>>be mainly recording rhythm guitar with occasional noodleing. Mainly
>>
>>>>>doing
>>>>>Rock, Heavy Rock, a bit of metal, Country and Pop.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've owned Guitar effect processors ten years ago, none of them sounded
>>
>>>>>vary
>>>>>good to me. I sold everything off. I have a new Steve Vai model Ibanez
>>>>>I picked up from a friend. I have a SansAmp GT 2, and old Crate GT
40
>>C
>>>>>(Cheap sounding amp), Nigel plugin from UA, and a direct box. That's
>>the
>>>>>extent of my Guitar gear.
>>>>>
>>>>>There are so many new guitar processors out there now. Being that I'm
>>a
>>>>>drummer it's a little tuff to figure out how to get good, usable guitar
>>
>>>>>sound
>>>>>on a $600.00 budget.
>>>>>
>>>>>Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I know these are discontinued but I am in the UK for another week and there
are some store here online that have them in stock and only ship to the UK
"thesandbox" <mattjbarber.nopspam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I have been out of the country for the past 6 months in the UK with other
>work and will be doing some studio upgrades when I get back at the end of
>the month. One will be a new comp for PARIS that will also give the most
>options still in another year or so (i.e. backup for another DAW, VSTi,
etc...)
>I do mostly indie and demo stuff around Nashville so PARIS is still my thing
>for tracking and mixing to 2bus. I have read the other threads and see
that
>Kim you got one of these MB's upon Chris's recomendation. Is it still stable
>for you? Other recomends ASUS A7V8x or A7N8X though I know also now a bit
>dated now. My PARIS was still stable after 3 or so years on my 1.3 athlon
>tb but yes it is time to catch up a bit.
>
>3 EDS (will be adding a 4th)
>2 MECScott at ADK gave a push for the A7V Deluxe....any comments???
Thanks,
Matt
"thesandbox" <mattjbarber.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I know these are discontinued but I am in the UK for another week and there
>are some store here online that have them in stock and only ship to the
UK
>
>"thesandbox" <mattjbarber.nopspam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I have been out of the country for the past 6 months in the UK with other
>>work and will be doing some studio upgrades when I get back at the end
of
>>the month. One will be a new comp for PARIS that will also give the most
>>options still in another year or so (i.e. backup for another DAW, VSTi,
>etc...)
>>I do mostly indie and demo stuff around Nashville so PARIS is still my
thing
>>for tracking and mixing to 2bus. I have read the other threads and see
>that
>>Kim you got one of these MB's upon Chris's recomendation. Is it still stable
>>for you? Other recomends ASUS A7V8x or A7N8X though I know also now a
bit
>>dated now. My PARIS was still stable after 3 or so years on my 1.3 athlon
>>tb but yes it is time to catch up a bit.
>>
>>3 EDS (will be adding a 4th)
>>2 MEC
>Scott at ADK gave a push for the A8V (OOPS) Deluxe....any comments???
Thanks,
Matt
"thesandbox" <mattjbarber.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I know these are discontinued but I am in the UK for another week and there
>are some store here online that have them in stock and only ship to the
UK
>
>"thesandbox" <mattjbarber.nopspam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I have been out of the country for the past 6 months in the UK with other
>>work and will be doing some studio upgrades when I get back at the end
of
>>the month. One will be a new comp for PARIS that will also give the most
>>options still in another year or so (i.e. backup for another DAW, VSTi,
>etc...)
>>I do mostly indie and demo stuff around Nashville so PARIS is still my
thing
>>for tracking and mixing to 2bus. I have read the other threads and see
>that
>>Kim you got one of these MB's upon Chris's recomendation. Is it still stable
>>for you? Other recomends ASUS A7V8x or A7N8X though I know also now a
bit
>>dated now. My PARIS was still stable after 3 or so years on my 1.3 athlon
>>tb but yes it is time to catch up a bit.
>>
>>3 EDS (will be adding a 4th)
>>2 MEC
>Hi James,
It starts with a good guitar, well setup. Your Ibanez can be setup to
sound good, and a new guitar will need the same thing too.
You can get away with murder live, but when recording, a bad setup
will become quickly and painfully obvious.
Setup is getting the neck straight, checking and maybe dressing
the frets, dialing in the intonation, setting the nut height, setting the
PU height. These things will make a huge difference. Get a pro
to do this for you. It is worth the 50 bucks or so.
Get a *good* tuner. this is vital. I use a Peterson V-Sam.
http://www.petersontuners.com/products/modelvsam/index.cfm
It also has a nice metronome in it. They also have a software tuner
that I was a beta tester for. Works really well.
http://www.strobosoft.com/
Peterson offers a sweetened tuning for guitar that really works.
Once your guitar sound terrific, then you can record it.
I hate Pod's and J-Stations. I hate modelors in general, but they
do a lot better with a nice preamp in front of them. The preamp
buffers the signal (the modeling people don't pay much attention
to analog circuit design) and warms it up.
I have used a Matchless Hot Box for a front end, (on clean only)
and it doubled the tone quality of a modeler. They are NLA, but the
Bad Cat 2-Tone is very similar.
http://www.badcatamps.com/pedals.asp
I've also used a Barber Tone Press as a front end for modelers and
it works well too.
http://www.barberelectronics.com/tonepress.htm
The M-Audio Black Box is derived from the Roger Linn Adrenalinn.
I fippin' *love* the Adrenalinn. Really cool sounds and very decent
models.
Check out the demos
http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/
Here's where all of the boxes fall apart though. Power guitar that is
central to the tune. You *must* have an amp for that. Heavy,
powerful chords and killer lead tone are still best from an amp, and
the best way to do this is with a great low-power amp.
I got one of these:
http://www.thdelectronics.com/products/univalve.htm
Pick your output and input tubes. With an EL34 on the output it
puts out 15 watts and through a 4x12 you can play all day and
not go deaf. Sounds like a huge stack. Really cool and really
recordable. Mic it up with 2 mics, play with the spacing, and you
are rocking.
DC
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I'm looking at the Waves GTR or M-Audio Black box for recording. I was
wondering
>if anybody has any opinions on either of these Guitar Processors for recording?
> I'm also considering Guitar rig and the latest version of Amplitube. I've
>been told the POD and Amplitube suck??? Opinions???
>
>I'm looking to get usable guitar productions (good tone). I would like
to
>have some versatility as opposed to a one trick pony amp, for the same kind
>of money. So the question is, is any of this stuff up to the task? I'll
>be mainly recording rhythm guitar with occasional noodleing. Mainly doing
>Rock, Heavy Rock, a bit of metal, Country and Pop.
>
>I've owned Guitar effect processors ten years ago, none of them sounded
vary
>good to me. I sold everything off. I have a new Steve Vai model Ibanez
>I picked up from a friend. I have a SansAmp GT 2, and old Crate GT 40 C
>(Cheap sounding amp), Nigel plugin from UA, and a direct box. That's the
>extent of my Guitar gear.
>
>There are so many new guitar processors out there now. Being that I'm a
>drummer it's a little tuff to figure out how to get good, usable guitar
sound
>on a $600.00 budget.
>
>Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>
>James
>Paris seemed to work great on a K8NS Ultra for me. It was a build for a friend's
cubase rig. I did test Paris on it...up to 128 tracks, with some edits, but
no plugs. and then uninstalled and did the cubase thing.
It seemed to be fine.
rod
"thesandbox" <mattjbarber.nopspam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I have been out of the country for the past 6 months in the UK with other
>work and will be doing some studio upgrades when I get back at the end of
>the month. One will be a new comp for PARIS that will also give the most
>options still in another year or so (i.e. backup for another DAW, VSTi,
etc...)
>I do mostly indie and demo stuff around Nashville so PARIS is still my thing
>for tracking and mixing to 2bus. I have read the other threads and see
that
>Kim you got one of these MB's upon Chris's recomendation. Is it still stable
>for you? Other recomends ASUS A7V8x or A7N8X though I know also now a bit
>dated now. My PARIS was still stable after 3 or so years on my 1.3 athlon
>tb but yes it is time to catch up a bit.
>
>3 EDS (will be adding a 4th)
>2 MECI use extra sheets of drywall on the outside walls. Its all about mass
and space. I have 2 walls 10" apart with 2 sheets of drywall on each
outside wall for 4 sheets total. The more MASS the better for low freqs.
John
Dale wrote:
> has anyone used this for studio insulation? I need to insulate an area approx.
>
> 16' by 3' that has no insulation, and someone suggested using this. I'm hoping
> to cut down on the occasional low-end rumble of big trucks driving by.
>
> DaleI have a 2.4ghz Intel Celeron box with Video on the MB, Asus MX800 i
think. Should I run Paris in 16 bit or 32 bit color? Is there a way to
test which is better?
Below is my current list of optimizations. Let me know if anything
looks wrong please. Thanks
John
Paris.cfg
---------------
*** PARIS Configuration ***
*** ENGINE configuration parameters ***
* Cache Size in MB
CacheSize=128
* Overview cache size in KB
OvwCacheSize=8192
* I/O configuration
IOSize=256
* SubMix Cache Size in KB
SubMixCacheSize=256
ManualRecDelay=4096
RecXFadeLen=20
Use32BitWinMTC=0
DisableDirectX=0
MasterOutputCard=0
ScrubMaxRate=1
WheelSensitivity=20
WheelInertia=68
CSProVersion=ABCDEFGH
VSTDirectory=C:\vsts\
MIDIPlayDisabled=1
--------------------------------------------------
tips
* Enable / Check DMA: Control Panel / System / Device Manager for each
hard drive and cdrom. Check that the hard drive name is shown or dl the
right drivers.
* Vcache (Disk Cache): sysedit, system.ini
-----------------------------------------------------------
[VCache]
MinFileCache=16384
MaxFileCache=16384
or
[VCache]
MinFileCache=56320
MaxFileCache=56320
(Note: the settings are in kilobytes, 8192k = 8 megabytes. Use multiples
of 1024)
* Disable any applications that launch at boot-up by removing their
shortcuts from your Windows/Start Menu / Programs / StartUp folder.
* Win.ini: sysedit, win.ini, remove anything in LOAD or RUN lines
* Swap File / Virtual memory settings:
--------------------------------------------------
Defragment drive.
Let windows manage the swap file. The instructions below are only if you
are managing it yourself for a known reason.
Right-click your My Computer / Properties / Performance tab / Virtual
Memory. Select Let me specify my own virtual memory settings. If you
have a separate audio drive, select it from the pop-up if you have two
audio drives, select the fastest one. Set virtual memory to 2 times the
amount of installed RAM, up to a maximum setting of 150 Mb. 128MB
recommended. Set both values to the same value.
After changing the value of the swap file defrag your hard drive and
reboot to dos. Once in DOS delete the swap file so that when windows is
restarted the swap file is rebuilt unfragmented. On systems with large
amounts of memory (i.e. > 256mb) the hard disk based swap file is not
needed as much, this tweak optimizes the use of the swap file on such
systems.
Using notepad open the file SYSTEM.INI in your Windows directory.
Find the [386Enh] section and add a new line reading
"ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1". Save the file and restart Windows for the
change to take effect.
* /Z:64 option: Format your AUDIO drive with "Format X: /Z:64" for 32k
clusters.
* Buffer DMA Channels: If you're using an IDE drive, Control Panel /
System / Device Manager. Expand system devices, select Direct Memory
Access Controller and click Properties. Click the Settings tab. Use the
up arrow to increase the Reserve DMA buffer try a setting of 32k or 64k.
* Disable Read Ahead Optimization: Device Manager, Performance tab /
File System. Set Read-ahead optimization slider to None.
* Disable Write Behind Caching: Device Manager / Performance / File
System / Troubleshooting tab / check Disable write-behind caching for
all drives.
* Network server performance profile: Device Manager / Performance /
File System / Typical Role "Network Server"
* Auto Insert Notification: Device Manager / CD-ROM/Properties,
un-check 'Auto insert notification'. Attention: Some CD-ROM burn
programs activate the notification automatically when they are started,
without telling you this.
* Turn off clock: Right click taskbar, Properties / un-check Show Clock
on the Taskbar Options tab.
* Disable AntiVirus AutoScan: Disable / don't install any software
including virus software that auto-scans files. Re-enable the software
when you're not using PARIS.
* IDE Drivers. Make sure the correct IDE drivers are loaded. Under the
device manager, look under Hard Drives. If your hard drive is listed by
brand name, you are good. If it is listed as "Generic", you need to load
the proper drivers.
* Msconfig.exe can be used to minimize what is loaded at startup.
Desktop Properties
---------------------------
* De-activate Screen Saver: Right click desktop, Properties, Screen
Saver, 'None'.
* Remove Wallpapers: Right click Desktop. Properties, Background tab,
select "none"
* Animation Desktop, right mouse click, Properties, Effects, un-check
'Animate windows, menus and lists'.
Control Pane
----------------------------
* De-activate Power management. Control Panel / Power Management /
power scheme 'Always on'. Set 'System Standby' and 'Turn off hard disks'
to 'Never'. Set monitor to anything.
* Disable System sounds. Control Panel / Sounds, choose scheme 'No sounds'.
* Exit Task scheduler. Start the program with a double click, choose
'Exit Task scheduler' under Options, and its gone or check msconfig startup
Open your registry and find the key below. There should be a value
named 'SchedulingAgent' which is set to equal 'mstask.exe',
this is the entry that loads the Task Scheduler. Delete this value to
stop the task manager loading again.
Settings:
Key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersio n\
RunServices]
Value Name: SchedulingAgent
Data Type: REG_SZ (String Value)
Value Data: mstask.exe
* De-activate scrolling Tooltips. Explorer: View - Folder Options -
View - uncheck "Popup ...." or "Tooltips ...". If you have TweakUI
installed, open it and go to the "General" tab. Uncheck "Mouse hot
tracking effects". This, however, does not turn off ALL
Little crap
* Logitech mouse software, turn off Tray Icon, Set Keyboard, mouse
properties
* ADD Windows media player to allow Native Plugins to work in Paris
* install Tweakui, * Command Prompt Here
* network auto logon
* TaskBar, small icons
* Folder properties, Disable display animation.
Set manual punch long on Paris Project Settings menu
Keep the AUDIO window and any other windows you don't need open CLOSED
to save CPU and RESOURCES
Check Your Free Disk Space
If the free space on a hard disk falls to below 10% of the size of the
drive or 100 MB (whichever is smaller), performance slows to an absolute
crawl. The easiest way to quickly check your available disk space is to
double-click My Computer, hit F5, and click once on C:. The drive's
capacity and free disk space will appear in the lower pane of the
window. As you will see by the next few topics free disk space really
does impact your system more than what most people realise because of
multiple factors.....read on.
Delete all TMP files (temporary files)
Temp files are where the computer places information temporarily while
it writes that information to disk or waits for you to tell it where
that information is to go. What happens if you have heaps of TMP files
in your computer is that the computer goes to create the 00001.TMP file
and that name is already taken up by another file so it then tries to
use 00002.TMP file and if that one exsists I'm sure you can guess what
then happens....All this wastes both a computers time and power...
Start > Find > Files or folders > *.tmp will probably turn up some temp
files. Ctrl-A-Shift-Del-Enter will banish them without sending them to
the Recycle Bin.
Delete all CHK files
CHK files also tend to clutter up hard drives--these are the lost
clusters ScanDisk finds and saves unless told otherwise. Start > Find >
Files or folders > *.chk may turn up some more candidates for deletion.
Ctrl-A-Shift-Del-Enter disposes of them properly.
TIP if you open up the advanced options in scandisk you can tell the
program to "free space" and NOT to "convert to files" this means you
will never need to search for CHK files again...Or until you
format/reinstall windows again.
Delete all Temp Internet Files
Start > Run > c:\Windows and, while holding down the Control key, click
once on the folder labeled Temporary Internet Files and once on the
folder labeled Cookies. If you have settings that are saved in cookies,
such as logon IDs for password-protected web sites, don't select
Cookies. Shift-Del will throw away your Internet Explorer cache (IE uses
an inordinately high 10% of your available disk space for cache by
default) and your Internet Explorer cookies. Internet Explorer will
rebuild this folder the next time it's launched.
TIP Yes once again you can change a setting to stop this from EVER
becomming a problem. INTERNET EXPLORER>TOOLS>INTERNET OPTIONS>ADVANCED
tick the option "empty internet tempory file folder when browser is
closed" If you have a slow modem then you may wish to decrease the
maximum space for these files instead.
Get Rid of Excess Fonts
Windows 9x is better at font management than Windows 3.1 was, but this
platform still has difficulty managing large numbers of fonts. Fonts
consume disk space and chew up CPU cycles whether you're using them or
not. If you have hundreds of fonts, either get a package like Adobe Type
Manager Deluxe that lets you group and categorize them for special
projects, or group and categorize them into folders yourself, dragging
their contents into your fonts folder as you need them. As long as fonts
aren't in the C:\Windows\Fonts directory, they're just occupying disk
space, and they're not consuming any CPU cycles. The only people likely
to need the Symbol font are mathematicians, college students living in
Greek houses, and students studying the Greek language. If you don't
fall into any of those three categories, you can ditch Symbol as well. :)
Defragment Your Hard Drive
After you maximize your free space, you want to defragment your drive
using Start > Programs > Accessories > Disk Defragmenter. Defragment
whether Windows says you need to or not. There are strategies for
defragmenting, third-party utilities that do a better job.
Defragment your drive after you remove any large quantity of data from
your hard drive, as well as any time you install software. You should
also make a habit of defragmenting your drive once a month. Before an
important recording session is also a good time to spend the time
defragging (and i dont mean playing a quick game of unreal
tournament)*smiles*.
The less free space you have on your hard drive, the faster your drive
will become fragmented !!! The previous few topics are beginning to seem
not so stupid after all.
Make Sure Your System Is Using 32-bit Drivers
If the system is much slower than it should be, there's a good chance
that Windows isn't using its native 32-bit drivers for disk access.
Another common symptom of this problem is a nonfunctioning CD-ROM drive.
To check for more symptoms, press Start, then proceed to Settings >
Control Panel > System > Performance. If you see a message that says
certain drives are using MS-DOS compatibility mode, you have a problem.
Switch over to Device Manager > Hard Disk Controllers. If you see yellow
exclamation points, you may have one very common (but perplexing)
Windows 9x problem. To fix it, press Start, then proceed to Run >
Regedit, then Ctrl-F-NoIDE-Enter. We'll talk about Regedit in a little
bit more depth later in this chapter. For now, if Regedit comes back
with a key labeled NoIDE highlighted in blue, right-click on it and
select Delete. Now restart immediately. You should see an immediate,
dramatic improvement in disk performance.
Lose autoexec.bat and config.sys
Rename AUTOEXEC.bat to AUTOEXEC.XYZ and rename CONFIG.bat to CONFIG.XYZ
and restart. If you don't run DOS programs, this trick is a double
blessing: you speed up your system, and you don't have to change the way
you work at all. Renaming the files like this allows you to keep the
files for reference, but keeps the system from finding them and using
the configuration data in them. Be sure to restart immediately after you
do this procedure.
Clean Out Your Startup Group
Loading programs in to RAM will force the computer to use the swap file,
see next topic below. I suggest using this utility to unload all
programs that load at startup except, External links, SYSTRAY,
taskmonitor, and scanregistry....All others can and should go. The only
other one I have in here is my firewall. Make sure that you have no more
than 5 in here and definately no MS fastfind or MSoffice entries. Virus
protection should be removed since you can run it when it is needed.
Optimize Your Swap File , also known as virtual memory.
In a perfect world your computer will never use its swap file at all. If
the computer needs the swap file constantly the computer looks to empty
the cpu's work to ram, when the ram is full it then empties some of the
ram to the hard drive then puts what the CPU was working on in ram. Then
the cpu looks for the next data that it needs that should be already in
the ram waiting. This shuffling DATA to and from the RAM and hard disk
brings a fast CPU to its knees.
Forget what other people have told you about set your swap file to
double the amount of ram you have....This wastes huge amounts of hard
disk space and when recording if you ever need that much room for a swap
file I can tell you now your computer is not going to cope with too many
tracks of audio. Setting the swap file's maximum and minimum values to
the same number is a good idea but this can cause an even worse thing to
occur than letting windows manage the swap file..Your swap file can
become fragmented.....Windows 98 is miles ahead of 95 when it comes to
managing the swap file so I recommend it is left at its default settings
unless you wish draw every once of power out of the computer or are
having problems with windows deafult setting... If you only have 1 hard
drive I would highly recommend setting the max and min to the same value
or the drive has to leave the audio files to make any changes to the
swap file (refer to this pagefor more info on this). After changing the
value of the swap file defrag your hard drive and reboot to dos. Once in
DOS delete the swap file so that when windows is restarted the swap file
is rebuilt unfragmented....This is very important. Another trick is too
get the autoexec.bat file to delete the swapfile for you everytime the
computer starts. Enough free unfragmented space is needed if this trick
is to be used. Windows 98 has a utility called SYSTEM MONITOR which can
tell you how large your swap file is. It may need to be installed off
your CDROM since it is optional when installing windows. Run your
programs and look at the size of the swap file when windows is managing
its size...This will tell you if you need more RAM and what size to set
your permanent swap file to. You will want to make sure windows doesn't
reallocate the space for a swap file whilst you are recording or a
glitch will be heard...Logic Audio calculates how much room you need for
a swap file based on the figure set in audio hardware and drivers. The
setting is called "max audio tracks" for this reason you should set this
number to as close to the maximum amount of tracks that you will need in
the song that you are working on. Logic ensures that windows will not
resize your swap file when recording unless you load another program
while running logic. Setting the maximum and minimum swap file size to
the same number and higher than what you ever need for a swap file isn't
necessary for Logic Audio but some other programs aren't as smart and it
may need to be done.
I have read heaps of tips on swap files and I shall tell you to ignore
most of it...One tip is to set a swap file on another dedicated
partition, this seems like a good idea since the swap file will never
become fragmented but Partitions other than the primary one will be
signifcantly slower depending on how far towards the centre of the drive
that partition is. You want the swap file to be in the fastest part of
the hard drive and definatly NOT on the same partition as your audio
files..Once again a dedicated hard drive for audio begins to make more
sense. Recording to the same partion as the swap file and system files
can increase the chance of data corruption.
On systems with large amounts of memory (i.e. > 256mb) the hard disk
based swap file is not needed as much, this tweak optimizes the use of
the swap file on such systems.
Using notepad open the file SYSTEM.INI in your Windows directory.
Find the [386Enh] section and add a new line reading
"ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1". Save the file and restart Windows for the
change to take effect.
VCache or Disk Cache
Cache can get quite confusing for some people since there are many
different types of cache. This section will talk just about VCACHE or
disk cache as it is also known as.
Go to Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Performance > File
System > Typical Role of this Machine > Network Server. Windows will now
store the last 2,729 filenames and the last 64 directory names it's
used. Of the well-known tips, this one tends to make the most noticeable
difference. Using Network Sever will double the standard settings...For
those of you using more than 256 Mb of RAM I will write a registry patch
that will double the values for network sever. I will link it HERE. You
may use it at your own risk and on the condition you let me know if you
noticed a difference after installing it. It will add another option
under network sever called "Skinah's DAW Tweak" so you can select and
deselect it at will. When playing with this value you will need to
allocate more VCACHE to hold/store the extra files in ram or you will
not achieve a thing....This is outlined below....
VCACHE SETTINGS
Windows uses its VCACHE to mirror data on your hard drive. It takes only
a little bit longer to read 128K off the disk than it takes to read 64K,
so when Windows asks for 64K, the VCACHE will go ahead and read more
data than Windows asks for. And if Windows asks for the next piece,
VCACHE can provide that data from RAM instead of from the disk. Also, if
you ask for a piece of data once, there's a decent chance you'll ask for
it again, so VCACHE holds whatever data you've loaded last for as long
as possible.
To illustrate this principle, try restarting your computer, then loading
a large application like Microsoft Word. Count off the seconds before it
loads--an unscientific one-one-thousand, two-one-thousand will suffice
for this illustration. Now immediately close Word and load it again.
This time, it will load much more quickly, because much of Word is
loading from RAM rather than from disk.
The correct setting is totally system dependant. I will give you some
guidelines that other sites do not tell you....
Setting Vcache to a value less than 8192 can cause problems when burning
CD's....It helps to cause "buffer underruns" so set the maximum vcache
setting equal to or more than 8192. Next tip is that with increasing the
computers role from "desktop" to "network server" or "Skinah's DAW
tweak" the computer remembers more and more of the last files you used
and keeps them in RAM...If the Vcache is small then not all of the files
fit into the allocated space and the full potential of increasing the
role is never achieved. The other end of the scale is that if you set
the minimum value to a high value this keeps that amount of RAM for
vcache and won't allow programs to use that section of RAM... This is
why windows is constantly changing the values behind your back. The less
RAM u use the more it allocates to Vcache. Once again you can use SYSTEM
MONITOR to graph your disk cache settings while windows has control over
the settings to see what your system needs under normal applications.
Just remember that windows uses something like 75% of available ram for
caching so make sure you load your sequencing program and a large song
before looking at the values.... my settings are 10240 minimum and 32768
maximum since my computer always uses the 32768 value unless the system
is very low on ram where it will then decrease to the 10240 setting. I
find my computer NEVER resizes the vcache with these settings since I
have enough RAM in my computer for the applications that I run. You can
make the values anything you like although I highly recommend sticking
to values that are multiples of 1024 due to the way a computer counts
with base 2.....A bit is either a 1 or a 0, so you have two choices in
binary code (2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2=1024) 1024 is 10bits.
The VCACHE settings are found in a file called "system.ini" in your
windows directory.
v-cache settings in tweaking windows win-98 and me for audio recording.
Write Caching
By default, Windows is set to enable disk "write caching" which
basically means that rather than writing files to hard disk immediately,
Windows puts the (audio and other) data in RAM first, waiting for a
chance to write it to disk.
Unfortunately, if you're recording a lengthy bit of audio, this "chance"
may never come, and Windows will simply run out of RAM and try to dump
any audio (or other) file/s currently in RAM to your hard disk. This can
potentially cause data loss, audio glitches and other "fun" stuff.
* To disable write caching...right-click on the My Computer icon on
your desktop and scroll to Properties in the menu which appears.
* In the ensuing window/s, click on the Performance Tab and then
File System buttons, respectively.
* In the next window, click on the Troubleshooting Tab and check
the "Disable Write-Behind Caching.." checkbox.
Turn Off CD-ROM Autoplay
Under some circumstances, Windows 9x polls the CD-ROM drive every few
seconds to see if a CD has been inserted. Depending on the nature of
your system, this can make things noticeably more sluggish. Control
Panel > System > Device Manager > CD-ROM > <name of your CD-ROM drive> >
Properties > Settings. Clear the box labeled Auto Insert Notification,
then click OK. If you have more than one CD or DVD device, repeat this
process for each drive in your system.
If you are recording and your computer is close to 100% CPU power the
simple checking the cdrom drive can cause clicks and pops at regular
intervals...Also if a hard drive is sharing an IDE channel with a cdrom
and it checks for a cd in the drive then that hard drive cannot be
accessed !!! click here for more info regarding this and IDE.
Turn Off Power Management
By default, Windows will shut down your hard drive after a period of
inactivity. This feature can cause significant slowdowns, because your
drive then has to power back up the next time it's accessed. The delay
can easily be a second or more. This delay will be noticeable if your
disk cache has been working well and your system hasn't had to access
the drive for a long period of time, but a sudden change of events makes
the system look to the drive.
The wisdom of turning off hard drives in order to save power is
questionable anyway. This practice causes them to wear out much more
quickly, and the amount of money you save will be pennies per year, if
that--the amount of power a modern hard drive consumes is that
negligible. Reducing the lifespan of a useful drive that will cost $200
to replace in order to save a dime just doesn't seem like a wise move.
In laptop computers, the situation is a little bit different since your
primary concern is battery life, rather than performance or longevity.
You have little choice but to use power management on your laptop;
however, keep it turned off on your desktop computer.
In Windows 95, go to Start > Settings > Control Panel > Power. Clear the
box that reads "Allow Windows to manage power usage on this computer."
Then click on the Disk Drives tab and clear the checkbox there as well.
In Windows 98, go to Start > Settings > Control Panel > Power Management
> Power Schemes > Home/office desk > Turn off hard disks > Never.
Use Hotkeys Instead of Desktop Icons
Some people many see this as over the top, and yes it is unless you have
lots and lots of icons on the desktop. If you set your vcache settings
correct the icons should be in the cache. Many people keep shortcuts to
their most frequently used applications on their desktop. In the past,
I've recommended that people follow this practice. Unfortunately, having
dozens of icons on the desktop slows the system down for the same reason
that having desktop wallpaper does, only more so because the system
frequently has to load the icons from disk when redrawing the desktop.
Keep your desktop simple--if you need fast access to certain key
applications and don't want to navigate the Start menu, define hotkeys
instead. They're faster than double-clicking an icon, they're always
available without having to make the desktop visible again, and they
don't slow the system down.
To make a hotkey, right-click on the Start menu and hit Explore.
Navigate to your program's icon, then right-click on it and hit
Properties. Click the Shortcut tab, and click in the box labeled
Shortcut Key. Hit a key that makes sense--I typically use the first
letter of the application's name--then hit OK. From then on, hitting
Ctrl-Alt and that letter key will launch that application.
If you only have one hard drive then this tip is a good idea.... If you
have two drives then it doesn't hurt to have a few around to help people
find applications. I prefer a clean desktop anyway and using hotkeys is
good once you get used to the idea.....that is until you then use
another computer or format the disk LOL.
Enable Your Hard Drive's DMA Setting
THIS IS A MUST. If your disk controller is capable of direct memory
access (DMA) and has the correct driver installed, you can dramatically
reduce the amount of CPU power your drives require. DMA permits the
controller chip to write to memory directly, rather than sending it to
the CPU and making the CPU write it to memory. This feature alone
doesn't do much to improve the speed of the data transfer, but it does
permit the CPU to do other work while disk access is taking place, which
can increase overall system speed.
Many people know to download the DMA-capable drivers for their disk
controllers, but they frequently miss this step, which negates most of
the benefit of having the drivers. To enable DMA, go to Start > Control
Panel > System > Device Manager > Disk Drives > <any IDE drive present>
> Properties > Settings > Options > Enable DMA. reboot the computer and
then recheck the DMA box, it should stay ticked.
If the drive or controller isn't capable of DMA, or if the installed
driver doesn't support DMA, the Enable DMA box won't appear. In
addition, this box probably won't appear on SCSI devices, because SCSI
controllers generally use DMA by default and don't give the option to
turn it off. Some ATA100/66 controllers are handled as SCSI devices.
USB, COM and LPT ports If USB is not needed then disable it in the
bios. This can also be done to serial ports and parallel ports. If you
dont use any parallel devices but you use a legacy sound device then
disable it or you get IRQ sharing. You can also disable the legacy
emulation if you never run any dos games. Same goes for serial ports.
You only have 2 IRQ's for serial ports and if u have both enabled and an
internal modem installed then you are IRQ sharing. IRQ sharing puts
extra load on the CPU depending how many interupts that are sent down
that line. You free up IRQ's by disabling any thing thats built into the
MB in the BIOS.
Compressed Drives Dont use compressed drives for obvious reasons, more
power to the CPU. Also make sure disk compression is disabled. Check
under control panel-system-performance
Virus Protection While it is essential to have protection dont leave it
running in the background, this goes for all programs especially ICQ. If
u must have programs loaded then get more RAM 128 is the bare minimum.
256 is where its at these days especially with VST instruments or
Virtual instruments. More things that run means more latency is needed
and less tracks/effects.
- check in device manager which resources your components use, and
enable shadowing of these memory ranges in bios (advanced bios features)
Disable Window animation
windows uses little "effects" for when a window pops up and is
minimised... you can disable this in win98 START> SETTINGS> CONTROL
PANEL>DISPLAY>EFFECTS> "animate windows menus and lists"...disable this
and bingo no more pops. depending on how badly your HDD is fragmented
and if u are using 1 or two drives this will differ from system to
system. Having this enabled on some systems will cause pops and glitches
whenever you minimise and maximise or even switch between two programs.
Thanks To.....
A lot of the basic information here has been gathered from a wide
variety of sources. It has been edited by me to make it relevent to DAW
uses and also to cut to outdated information out. I have also added a
large amount of my own Tips trick and experience. I would like to thank
David L. Farquhar and others whom i will add here for some of the
information contained in this page. David L. Farquhar has written a book
on this topic which is recomended by microsoft.
Lose the Screen Savers
The need for screen savers evaporated in the early 1990s when monitor
refresh rates increased, but people continue to buy them. There is
absolutely no compelling reason to use them; from a technical
standpoint, they do far more harm than good. The real danger with
monitors is not the picture becoming permanently etched onto the screen;
it's the phosphors wearing out from being overworked. Many screen savers
have nearly as much movement as a fast-paced video game and make the
monitor and CPU work about as hard as well. If your system is doing
routine maintenance like scanning for viruses, checking hard disks for
errors and correcting them, or defragmenting hard disks--things it
should be doing automatically, and we'll cover that in Chapter 5--a
screen saver interrupting those tasks will make them take much longer.
If you're waiting for the computer to finish some time-intensive task
like a transform in Photoshop or even a lengthy download from the
Internet, the screen saver steals valuable RAM and CPU power from that
task. It also creates one more task for the computer to juggle--and one
more reason for it to crash. Some screen savers have been known to crash
systems.
Using the Blank Screen screen saver that comes with Windows is a good
idea; it doesn't use any CPU power, and it gives your monitor's
phosphors the opportunity to really rest, saving wear and tear on the
monitor and reducing its power consumption. If you want to protect your
monitor, use Blank Screen and give it a timeout period of 30 minutes.
The use of any other screen saver causes more harm than good.
Some monitors eliminate the need for any screen saver altogether. My
Iiyama Vision Master Pro monitor has a power management menu. If your
monitor has digital on-screen controls, it may also have its own power
management. If that's the case, set your monitor to put itself in
power-saving mode after 30 minutes, which allows you to dispense even
with the Blank Screen screen saver.
Lose the System Sounds and Desktop Schemes
The Microsoft Plus packs for Windows 95 and 98 contain some gimmicks
such as desktop themes than cause icons to spin as they're clicked.
Unless you have an extremely high-end computer turn that stuff off. In
many cases, it takes longer for the computer to spin the program's icon
than it does to load and launch the program.
You also want to turn off animated cursors and system sounds, as these
toys can steal large amounts of memory and CPU time. If you need system
sounds to warn you of important things like critical events, program
errors, or incoming mail, go ahead and use them, but refrain from
assigning sounds to every event. On the majority of systems, I go into
the Sounds control panel, select the schemes box, and set it to No Sounds.
Paris runs best on its own IRQ. 3 works well
In BIOS pick PNP OS "NO"
Assign the PCI slot for the paris cards to 3.
The legacy MIDI is on IRQ 5
Remove the Scherzo driver and reinstall them on reboot.
Disable USB, Serial, Com Ports not needed.
PCI Slots:
========
Check your motherboard to see which PCI slots are shared with other
devices such as AGP Video cards and RAID controllers and put the EDS
cards in the slots that are NOT shared.
For example, some BX Motherboards share slot 3 with AGP. The KT7 MB has
Slot 1’s IRQ shared with the AGP Video card and Slot 5 shared with the
Raid controller.
Insert your EDS cards in the lowest number non shared PCI slot so they
will be checked for activity before other cards on the system.
* Put system drive on one Ide channel and audio drive on the other Ide
channel.
Ain't it easy to config ????????????????????? I can't believe you read
this far! yayI've had a few issues with mine. It seems temporamental with my Seagate hdds
and I can't work out what the deal is. At random it will fail to detect either
one or both hdds. I've had the MB replaced and the problem seems less but
is still there. This may not even be a MB issue seeing as how I've replaced
it, but I'm just mentioning it so you're aware. If you power down and back
up though the HDDs detect fine and it runs perfectly.
I haven't used Paris on it a great deal yet other than to run a few tests,
but it does seem to run pretty perfectly with Paris from what I can tell.
I can jump about windows, adjust things while they're playing, open and close
projects etc all nice and smoothly without any crashes. I only spent an hour
or two playing with it, but she seems rock solid. It's certainly rock solid
in general use.
Note however that you need to use the older F6 firmware if you want proper
PCI steering control, and F6 doesn't support dual core processors. I wasn't
even able to boot properly with F7+. Don't know why. Happy on F6 though.
Cheers,
Kim.
"thesandbox" <mattjbarber.nopspam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I have been out of the country for the past 6 months in the UK with other
>work and will be doing some studio upgrades when I get back at the end of
>the month. One will be a new comp for PARIS that will also give the most
>options still in another year or so (i.e. backup for another DAW, VSTi,
etc...)
>I do mostly indie and demo stuff around Nashville so PARIS is still my thing
>for tracking and mixing to 2bus. I have read the other threads and see
that
>Kim you got one of these MB's upon Chris's recomendation. Is it still stable
>for you? Other recomends ASUS A7V8x or A7N8X though I know also now a bit
>dated now. My PARIS was still stable after 3 or so years on my 1.3 athlon
>tb but yes it is time to catch up a bit.
>
>3 EDS (will be adding a 4th)
>2 MECKim, FWIW, I have a comp with a gigabyte K8 Triton MOBO that I use to run
my midi package (cubase, stylus, etc)and it does the EXACT same thing. Every
now and then it won't recognize the Hard Drives (WD). Power down/up solves
it every time though.
Hmmmmmmm.......
Rod
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I've had a few issues with mine. It seems temporamental with my Seagate
hdds
>and I can't work out what the deal is. At random it will fail to detect
either
>one or both hdds. I've had the MB replaced and the problem seems less but
>is still there. This may not even be a MB issue seeing as how I've replaced
>it, but I'm just mentioning it so you're aware. If you power down and back
>up though the HDDs detect fine and it runs perfectly.
>
>I haven't used Paris on it a great deal yet other than to run a few tests,
>but it does seem to run pretty perfectly with Paris from what I can tell.
>I can jump about windows, adjust things while they're playing, open and
close
>projects etc all nice and smoothly without any crashes. I only spent an
hour
>or two playing with it, but she seems rock solid. It's certainly rock solid
>in general use.
>
>Note however that you need to use the older F6 firmware if you want proper
>PCI steering control, and F6 doesn't support dual core processors. I wasn't
>even able to boot properly with F7+. Don't know why. Happy on F6 though.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"thesandbox" <mattjbarber.nopspam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I have been out of the country for the past 6 months in the UK with other
>>work and will be doing some studio upgrades when I get back at the end
of
>>the month. One will be a new comp for PARIS that will also give the most
>>options still in another year or so (i.e. backup for another DAW, VSTi,
>etc...)
>>I do mostly indie and demo stuff around Nashville so PARIS is still my
thing
>>for tracking and mixing to 2bus. I have read the other threads and see
>that
>>Kim you got one of these MB's upon Chris's recomendation. Is it still stable
>>for you? Other recomends ASUS A7V8x or A7N8X though I know also now a
bit
>>dated now. My PARIS was still stable after 3 or so years on my 1.3 athlon
>>tb but yes it is time to catch up a bit.
>>
>>3 EDS (will be adding a 4th)
>>2 MEC
>I really hate it.
Ever try to record your own stuff with no help? Ok, you get to keep
the guitar tuned, setup the cans mix, make sure you don't pull the wire out
of the cans walking around, do punch ins, play, oh and while
playing, decide if what you are doing will require punch-ins, stand
"right there" to keep the buzz down, press the red button, try not
to look at the transport numbers going by, catch the guitar going
out of tune, oh and play the solo of your life...
arrrggghhhHHHHHHH!
I have a good friend coming over soon to get me out of this
padded room...
And to run the gear while I turn back into a guitar player...
Dang!
DC
DCIt's a lot easier if you sit in front of paris (w/ flat panel so buzz is
minimal) with your guitar or if you build the switch pedal to turn on
and off play / record modes. I like when i turn and the headphones go
flying off. With all that stuff going on it's pretty hard to get into
the moment too !
John
DC wrote:
> I really hate it.
>
> Ever try to record your own stuff with no help? Ok, you get to keep
> the guitar tuned, setup the cans mix, make sure you don't pull the wire out
> of the cans walking around, do punch ins, play, oh and while
> playing, decide if what you are doing will require punch-ins, stand
> "right there" to keep the buzz down, press the red button, try not
> to look at the transport numbers going by, catch the guitar going
> out of tune, oh and play the solo of your life...
>
> arrrggghhhHHHHHHH!
>
> I have a good friend coming over soon to get me out of this
> padded room...
>
> And to run the gear while I turn back into a guitar player...
>
> Dang!
>
> DC
>
>
> DC
>Should we dredge up the old group-getting-together-to-buy-Paris-from-ID
thing again? ;-)
-Doug (It was a JOKE!!!)
http://www.parisfaqs.com
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> "Casey Pechet" <cpechet@cascade-media.com> wrote:
>>Legal expenses will probably far outweigh any benefits that accrue to
>>those
>>who participate in the action.
>
> My thoughts, too.I've been getting into my Lexicon Signature 284 lately. Some great things
can be accomplished with this. I've got the Lexi stereo cab for it and I've
got a NADY RSM32 on one cone and an SM57 on the other. Both mics are being
fed into a Demeter VTMP-2a. Also I'm simultaneously running the DI's of the
Lexi and my POD XT Pro into Paris by splitting my guitar output through a
Radial Switchbone and feeding it to the Lexi and the POD XT
Pro.........sooooo.......in true Mr. Simplicity fashion, I'm recording the
output of my guitar on 6 x tracks simultaneously.
Now, I just need to get my chops back, because, quite frankly, I'm so rusty
I suck.......so this configuration I call *Suck x 6*
;o)
"DC" <dc@wedontneednosteenkingspammers.org> wrote in message
news:435934e3$1@linux...
>
> Hi James,
>
> It starts with a good guitar, well setup. Your Ibanez can be setup to
> sound good, and a new guitar will need the same thing too.
> You can get away with murder live, but when recording, a bad setup
> will become quickly and painfully obvious.
>
> Setup is getting the neck straight, checking and maybe dressing
> the frets, dialing in the intonation, setting the nut height, setting the
> PU height. These things will make a huge difference. Get a pro
> to do this for you. It is worth the 50 bucks or so.
>
> Get a *good* tuner. this is vital. I use a Peterson V-Sam.
>
> http://www.petersontuners.com/products/modelvsam/index.cfm
>
> It also has a nice metronome in it. They also have a software tuner
> that I was a beta tester for. Works really well.
>
> http://www.strobosoft.com/
>
> Peterson offers a sweetened tuning for guitar that really works.
>
> Once your guitar sound terrific, then you can record it.
>
> I hate Pod's and J-Stations. I hate modelors in general, but they
> do a lot better with a nice preamp in front of them. The preamp
> buffers the signal (the modeling people don't pay much attention
> to analog circuit design) and warms it up.
>
> I have used a Matchless Hot Box for a front end, (on clean only)
> and it doubled the tone quality of a modeler. They are NLA, but the
> Bad Cat 2-Tone is very similar.
>
> http://www.badcatamps.com/pedals.asp
>
> I've also used a Barber Tone Press as a front end for modelers and
> it works well too.
>
> http://www.barberelectronics.com/tonepress.htm
>
> The M-Audio Black Box is derived from the Roger Linn Adrenalinn.
>
> I fippin' *love* the Adrenalinn. Really cool sounds and very decent
> models.
>
> Check out the demos
>
> http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/
>
> Here's where all of the boxes fall apart though. Power guitar that is
> central to the tune. You *must* have an amp for that. Heavy,
> powerful chords and killer lead tone are still best from an amp, and
> the best way to do this is with a great low-power amp.
>
> I got one of these:
>
> http://www.thdelectronics.com/products/univalve.htm
>
> Pick your output and input tubes. With an EL34 on the output it
> puts out 15 watts and through a 4x12 you can play all day and
> not go deaf. Sounds like a huge stack. Really cool and really
> recordable. Mic it up with 2 mics, play with the spacing, and you
> are rocking.
>
> DC
>
>
>
>
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I'm looking at the Waves GTR or M-Audio Black box for recording. I was
> wondering
> >if anybody has any opinions on either of these Guitar Processors for
recording?
> > I'm also considering Guitar rig and the latest version of Amplitube.
I've
> >been told the POD and Amplitube suck??? Opinions???
> >
> >I'm looking to get usable guitar productions (good tone). I would like
> to
> >have some versatility as opposed to a one trick pony amp, for the same
kind
> >of money. So the question is, is any of this stuff up to the task? I'll
> >be mainly recording rhythm guitar with occasional noodleing. Mainly
doing
> >Rock, Heavy Rock, a bit of metal, Country and Pop.
> >
> >I've owned Guitar effect processors ten years ago, none of them sounded
> vary
> >good to me. I sold everything off. I have a new Steve Vai model Ibanez
> >I picked up from a friend. I have a SansAmp GT 2, and old Crate GT 40 C
> >(Cheap sounding amp), Nigel plugin from UA, and a direct box. That's the
> >extent of my Guitar gear.
> >
> >There are so many new guitar processors out there now. Being that I'm a
> >drummer it's a little tuff to figure out how to get good, usable guitar
> sound
> >on a $600.00 budget.
> >
> >Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >James
> >
>Yeah, I've been hiting the suck knob pretty hard today...
And this one goes to 11 !!
DC
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I've been getting into my Lexicon Signature 284 lately. Some great things
>can be accomplished with this. I've got the Lexi stereo cab for it and I've
>got a NADY RSM32 on one cone and an SM57 on the other. Both mics are being
>fed into a Demeter VTMP-2a. Also I'm simultaneously running the DI's of
the
>Lexi and my POD XT Pro into Paris by splitting my guitar output through
a
>Radial Switchbone and feeding it to the Lexi and the POD XT
>Pro.........sooooo.......in true Mr. Simplicity fashion, I'm recording the
>output of my guitar on 6 x tracks simultaneously.
>
>Now, I just need to get my chops back, because, quite frankly, I'm so rusty
>I suck.......so this configuration I call *Suck x 6*
>
>;o)
>
>
>
>
>"DC" <dc@wedontneednosteenkingspammers.org> wrote in message
>news:435934e3$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi James,
>>
>> It starts with a good guitar, well setup. Your Ibanez can be setup to
>> sound good, and a new guitar will need the same thing too.
>> You can get away with murder live, but when recording, a bad setup
>> will become quickly and painfully obvious.
>>
>> Setup is getting the neck straight, checking and maybe dressing
>> the frets, dialing in the intonation, setting the nut height, setting
the
>> PU height. These things will make a huge difference. Get a pro
>> to do this for you. It is worth the 50 bucks or so.
>>
>> Get a *good* tuner. this is vital. I use a Peterson V-Sam.
>>
>> http://www.petersontuners.com/products/modelvsam/index.cfm
>>
>> It also has a nice metronome in it. They also have a software tuner
>> that I was a beta tester for. Works really well.
>>
>> http://www.strobosoft.com/
>>
>> Peterson offers a sweetened tuning for guitar that really works.
>>
>> Once your guitar sound terrific, then you can record it.
>>
>> I hate Pod's and J-Stations. I hate modelors in general, but they
>> do a lot better with a nice preamp in front of them. The preamp
>> buffers the signal (the modeling people don't pay much attention
>> to analog circuit design) and warms it up.
>>
>> I have used a Matchless Hot Box for a front end, (on clean only)
>> and it doubled the tone quality of a modeler. They are NLA, but the
>> Bad Cat 2-Tone is very similar.
>>
>> http://www.badcatamps.com/pedals.asp
>>
>> I've also used a Barber Tone Press as a front end for modelers and
>> it works well too.
>>
>> http://www.barberelectronics.com/tonepress.htm
>>
>> The M-Audio Black Box is derived from the Roger Linn Adrenalinn.
>>
>> I fippin' *love* the Adrenalinn. Really cool sounds and very decent
>> models.
>>
>> Check out the demos
>>
>> http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/
>>
>> Here's where all of the boxes fall apart though. Power guitar that is
>> central to the tune. You *must* have an amp for that. Heavy,
>> powerful chords and killer lead tone are still best from an amp, and
>> the best way to do this is with a great low-power amp.
>>
>> I got one of these:
>>
>> http://www.thdelectronics.com/products/univalve.htm
>>
>> Pick your output and input tubes. With an EL34 on the output it
>> puts out 15 watts and through a 4x12 you can play all day and
>> not go deaf. Sounds like a huge stack. Really cool and really
>> recordable. Mic it up with 2 mics, play with the spacing, and you
>> are rocking.
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I'm looking at the Waves GTR or M-Audio Black box for recording. I was
>> wondering
>> >if anybody has any opinions on either of these Guitar Processors for
>recording?
>> > I'm also considering Guitar rig and the latest version of Amplitube.
>I've
>> >been told the POD and Amplitube suck??? Opinions???
>> >
>> >I'm looking to get usable guitar productions (good tone). I would like
>> to
>> >have some versatility as opposed to a one trick pony amp, for the same
>kind
>> >of money. So the question is, is any of this stuff up to the task?
I'll
>> >be mainly recording rhythm guitar with occasional noodleing. Mainly
>doing
>> >Rock, Heavy Rock, a bit of metal, Country and Pop.
>> >
>> >I've owned Guitar effect processors ten years ago, none of them sounded
>> vary
>> >good to me. I sold everything off. I have a new Steve Vai model Ibanez
>> >I picked up from a friend. I have a SansAmp GT 2, and old Crate GT 40
C
>> >(Cheap sounding amp), Nigel plugin from UA, and a direct box. That's
the
>> >extent of my Guitar gear.
>> >
>> >There are so many new guitar processors out there now. Being that I'm
a
>> >drummer it's a little tuff to figure out how to get good, usable guitar
>> sound
>> >on a $600.00 budget.
>> >
>> >Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>> >
>> >Thanks
>> >
>> >James
>> >
>>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I would love to get a good sounding tube amp, but the lack of versatility
>and cost are the issues. On a low budget, what would you guys recommend
>for a Tube amp for recording?
THD Univalves are about 900.00 USD but I have seen them in
the 600.00's on Ebay. I don't know what your version of a
low budget is, but that is about as cheap as great tube amps get
these days. You can change the preamp and output tubes around
and get very different tones. Both the clean and the dirty tones
are stellar. You will need a speaker cabinet.
>Back to the box, what about the Johnson J-Station?
I did not care for it. YMMV.
Just to put some perspective into all this...
I had to remix an old track I did with a Sansamp years ago,
and I was able to get a pretty decent tone out of it. Surprised me.
It still sounds good. In reality, it is much more a great guitar and
a great engineer that makes this stuff sound good. As soon as
someone sez "you gotta have-a yadda yadda" someone does a
great track with a box. It's vision in how you use the gear that
really matters. Great playing helps too... snork...
If I was buying something on a budget, I would look *real* hard at
the Adrenalinn II or the Black Box version of it. Get your guitar
setup and dialed in, then take it to the store and have them plug
the box into studio monitors. Chase the wankers away and play it
for a while. Go one a Tuesday morning when the store is empty.
I really like the Adrenalinn. You may too.
DC
>
>James
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I will probably pick up a used Gibson Les Paul or a new Epiphone Les Paul
>>when I have extra cash. Maybe an SG???
>>
>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Seems like the guitar itself may not be the right choice.
>>>Why not something classic that has been played in many genres?
>>>A real strat or Les Paul or even perhaps a Tele with u humbucker in the
>>bridge.
>>>Add that to a small tube amp of sorts, like a fender champ.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>re: Amplitube...I can only say that this little plug in helped make the
>>>
>>>>guitars on my last mixing project...none of the stock presets were of
>much
>>>
>>>>help but with very little effort I was able to get some pretty serious
>>
>>>>sounds from fairly bland tracks
>>>>
>>>>YMMV of course
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:51chl11q6rcta5mho90681a70hrgd0ualn@4ax.com...
>>>>> guitar rig is pretty cool especially if you run the signal
>>>>> through external gear and di's before you record.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21 Oct 2005 14:47:20 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm looking at the Waves GTR or M-Audio Black box for recording. I
>was
>>>
>>>>>>wondering
>>>>>>if anybody has any opinions on either of these Guitar Processors for
>>
>>>>>>recording?
>>>>>> I'm also considering Guitar rig and the latest version of Amplitube.
>>>
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>been told the POD and Amplitube suck??? Opinions???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm looking to get usable guitar productions (good tone). I would
like
>>>to
>>>>>>have some versatility as opposed to a one trick pony amp, for the same
>>>
>>>>>>kind
>>>>>>of money. So the question is, is any of this stuff up to the task?
>
>>I'll
>>>>>>be mainly recording rhythm guitar with occasional noodleing. Mainly
>>>
>>>>>>doing
>>>>>>Rock, Heavy Rock, a bit of metal, Country and Pop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've owned Guitar effect processors ten years ago, none of them sounded
>>>
>>>>>>vary
>>>>>>good to me. I sold everything off. I have a new Steve Vai model
Ibanez
>>>>>>I picked up from a friend. I have a SansAmp GT 2, and old Crate GT
>40
>>>C
>>>>>>(Cheap sounding amp), Nigel plugin from UA, and a direct box. That's
>>>the
>>>>>>extent of my Guitar gear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are so many new guitar processors out there now. Being that
I'm
>>>a
>>>>>>drummer it's a little tuff to figure out how to get good, usable guitar
>>>
>>>>>>sound
>>>>>>on a $600.00 budget.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I'm using the A7V8X-LAN with good results here, but yes, it's a dinosaur.
Max CPU is XP 3200 (I'm using XP 2800) If you're using 4 x EDS cards with
this mobo, you will need a PCI expansion chassis as Slot 2 and 6 are hard
wired to share IRQ with the AGP. I don't use DX or VST plugins for mixing in
Paris any more so CPU cycles for plugins aren't a critical issue for me. the
A7V8X is very stable with 3 x EDS cards a Matrox G450 AGP and a Matrox G450
PCI.
Deej
"thesandbox" <mattjbarber.nopspam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43590914$1@linux...
>
> I have been out of the country for the past 6 months in the UK with other
> work and will be doing some studio upgrades when I get back at the end of
> the month. One will be a new comp for PARIS that will also give the most
> options still in another year or so (i.e. backup for another DAW, VSTi,
etc...)
> I do mostly indie and demo stuff around Nashville so PARIS is still my
thing
> for tracking and mixing to 2bus. I have read the other threads and see
that
> Kim you got one of these MB's upon Chris's recomendation. Is it still
stable
> for you? Other recomends ASUS A7V8x or A7N8X though I know also now a bit
> dated now. My PARIS was still stable after 3 or so years on my 1.3 athlon
> tb but yes it is time to catch up a bit.
>
> 3 EDS (will be adding a 4th)
> 2 MEC"Doug Wellington" <doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote:
>Should we dredge up the old group-getting-together-to-buy-Paris-from-ID
>thing again? ;-)
>
>-Doug (It was a JOKE!!!)
>
>http://www.parisfaqs.com
Hey, where's that OSX driver; )
Just kidding!
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> "Casey Pechet" <cpechet@cascade-media.com> wrote:
>>>Legal expenses will probably far outweigh any benefits that accrue to
>>>those
>>>who participate in the action.
>>
>> My thoughts, too.
>
>I bet I suck better. :-)
DC wrote:
> Yeah, I've been hiting the suck knob pretty hard today...
>
> And this one goes to 11 !!
>
> DC
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>>I've been getting into my Lexicon Signature 284 lately. Some great things
>>can be accomplished with this. I've got the Lexi stereo cab for it and I've
>>got a NADY RSM32 on one cone and an SM57 on the other. Both mics are being
>>fed into a Demeter VTMP-2a. Also I'm simultaneously running the DI's of
>
> the
>
>>Lexi and my POD XT Pro into Paris by splitting my guitar output through
>
> a
>
>>Radial Switchbone and feeding it to the Lexi and the POD XT
>>Pro.........sooooo.......in true Mr. Simplicity fashion, I'm recording the
>>output of my guitar on 6 x tracks simultaneously.
>>
>>Now, I just need to get my chops back, because, quite frankly, I'm so rusty
>>I suck.......so this configuration I call *Suck x 6*
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"DC" <dc@wedontneednosteenkingspammers.org> wrote in message
>>news:435934e3$1@linux...
>>
>>>Hi James,
>>>
>>>It starts with a good guitar, well setup. Your Ibanez can be setup to
>>>sound good, and a new guitar will need the same thing too.
>>>You can get away with murder live, but when recording, a bad setup
>>>will become quickly and painfully obvious.
>>>
>>>Setup is getting the neck straight, checking and maybe dressing
>>>the frets, dialing in the intonation, setting the nut height, setting
>
> the
>
>>>PU height. These things will make a huge difference. Get a pro
>>>to do this for you. It is worth the 50 bucks or so.
>>>
>>>Get a *good* tuner. this is vital. I use a Peterson V-Sam.
>>>
>>>http://www.petersontuners.com/products/modelvsam/index.cfm
>>>
>>>It also has a nice metronome in it. They also have a software tuner
>>>that I was a beta tester for. Works really well.
>>>
>>>http://www.strobosoft.com/
>>>
>>>Peterson offers a sweetened tuning for guitar that really works.
>>>
>>>Once your guitar sound terrific, then you can record it.
>>>
>>>I hate Pod's and J-Stations. I hate modelors in general, but they
>>>do a lot better with a nice preamp in front of them. The preamp
>>>buffers the signal (the modeling people don't pay much attention
>>>to analog circuit design) and warms it up.
>>>
>>>I have used a Matchless Hot Box for a front end, (on clean only)
>>>and it doubled the tone quality of a modeler. They are NLA, but the
>>>Bad Cat 2-Tone is very similar.
>>>
>>>http://www.badcatamps.com/pedals.asp
>>>
>>>I've also used a Barber Tone Press as a front end for modelers and
>>>it works well too.
>>>
>>>http://www.barberelectronics.com/tonepress.htm
>>>
>>>The M-Audio Black Box is derived from the Roger Linn Adrenalinn.
>>>
>>>I fippin' *love* the Adrenalinn. Really cool sounds and very decent
>>>models.
>>>
>>>Check out the demos
>>>
>>>http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/
>>>
>>>Here's where all of the boxes fall apart though. Power guitar that is
>>>central to the tune. You *must* have an amp for that. Heavy,
>>>powerful chords and killer lead tone are still best from an amp, and
>>>the best way to do this is with a great low-power amp.
>>>
>>>I got one of these:
>>>
>>>http://www.thdelectronics.com/products/univalve.htm
>>>
>>>Pick your output and input tubes. With an EL34 on the output it
>>>puts out 15 watts and through a 4x12 you can play all day and
>>>not go deaf. Sounds like a huge stack. Really cool and really
>>>recordable. Mic it up with 2 mics, play with the spacing, and you
>>>are rocking.
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm looking at the Waves GTR or M-Audio Black box for recording. I was
>>>
>>>wondering
>>>
>>>>if anybody has any opinions on either of these Guitar Processors for
>>
>>recording?
>>
>>>>I'm also considering Guitar rig and the latest version of Amplitube.
>>
>>I've
>>
>>>>been told the POD and Amplitube suck??? Opinions???
>>>>
>>>>I'm looking to get usable guitar productions (good tone). I would like
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>>have some versatility as opposed to a one trick pony amp, for the same
>>
>>kind
>>
>>>>of money. So the question is, is any of this stuff up to the task?
>
> I'll
>
>>>>be mainly recording rhythm guitar with occasional noodleing. Mainly
>>
>>doing
>>
>>>>Rock, Heavy Rock, a bit of metal, Country and Pop.
>>>>
>>>>I've owned Guitar effect processors ten years ago, none of them sounded
>>>
>>>vary
>>>
>>>>good to me. I sold everything off. I have a new Steve Vai model Ibanez
>>>>I picked up from a friend. I have a SansAmp GT 2, and old Crate GT 40
>
> C
>
>>>>(Cheap sounding amp), Nigel plugin from UA, and a direct box. That's
>
> the
>
>>>>extent of my Guitar gear.
>>>>
>>>>There are so many new guitar processors out there now. Being that I'm
>
> a
>
>>>>drummer it's a little tuff to figure out how to get good, usable guitar
>>>
>>>sound
>>>
>>>>on a $600.00 budget.
>>>>
>>>>Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Hello to everyone.
You all know here my humble efforts to push Paris a little bit to the future...
What is though lacking is the kind of support from most of us here...
An example to what I mean is wormhole.
This kind guy -author- of wormhole has made too many efforts to make wormhole
work better with Paris.
But...things have stopeed somehow because noone except from me and Genne
Lennon I guess , has bought wormhole.
I explained to wormhole author that he will find a great willingness of support
in his efforts but I was wrong...
How can we all expect Paris to grow along when we do not support those efforts
?
Even if you would not need for now wormhole this would open doors to newer
appz-plugins that could make Paris a better DAW.
How can I ask this guy to try to make an app specific for Paris like an automated
delay compensation (if that will be possible ,who knows) or something other
if we here do not support these guys.
This damn wormhole is so cheap compared to what we all paid ( and some of
you much more) to have our Paris system .
Only if I see "named" responses that will confirm bying wormhole and we must
gather quite a few here then only I will get in touch again and somehow "demand"
Paris support with wormhole and other things.
I am considering rebuying wormhole to add me first on that list...
So please show in this forum that we wanna keep Paris alive spending some
extra little money ( afew Pizzas less for a coupl e of weekends) starting
with wormhole...
Regards,
Dimitrios
ps: If someone else too has already bought Paris ,my humble apologies to
him, but I will need his name to add it on the list I will send to wormhole
authorJust a quick one to let you all know we've been offline a little this arvo,
and may be on occassion over the next few weeks. I'm moving house soon and
I'm fiddling with switching routers among other things for the move.
If you come across any outages rest assured I'm trying to keep things short.
We've got two routers here currently and we'll be switching and changing
as we experiment. If at any point we can't get things working we'll switch
back to the "known working" unit for a bit till we sort the problem, so outages
should be in the realm of under an hour.
But there may be brief outages from time to time over the next few weeks,
as there have been today. Just letting you know. I'll no doubt inform you
again nearer the time I'm actually moving house.
Cheers,
Kim.low end rumble is most likely coming through the floor if you're on
ground level.
On 21 Oct 2005 18:56:31 +1000, "Dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>has anyone used this for studio insulation? I need to insulate an area approx.
>
>16' by 3' that has no insulation, and someone suggested using this. I'm hoping
>to cut down on the occasional low-end rumble of big trucks driving by.
>
>Dale"DC" <dc@steeningspammers.org> wrote:
>
>I really hate it.
>
>Ever try to record your own stuff with no help?
Hehe. Yeh sure! Do it all the time! In fact that's what I enjoy most, and
do most with Paris! I suppose it depends on your approach, I guess, or something.
I'm fully adapted to the idea of "right, hit go, get it right, if you stuff
it up do it again from the start". And I'm used to doing things one verse
at a time or whatever as required, so you just need to get the verse right,
not the whole song. I find I like the pressure of having to nail something
though. Of course things become near impossible if I have just a single stuff
up in the best solo over. Basically you move the solo to a spare track, record
the however-many notes to replace the bad bit, then try and merge the two.
I find it less frustrating than dealing with other musos much of the time
though. ;o)
I guess things are somewhat different though for me dealing with pleb rock
bands than recording the relative perfection of classical musos as I know
you often do. I still have that CD you sent me somewhere of the organ...
must dig it out for another listen.
Cheers,
Kim.Officially only version 3 is supported on XP by "Skunkworks". That said,
there's probably little actual support now for XP anyhow, and version 2.2
actually worked fine while I was using it on XP. I'd opt for 3 simply for
universal compatibility though, and the new features.
Installing both is simple. Simple install one, then install the other. Ignore
any warning to uninstall. The only other complication is that you have to
install the MinimumSetup (effects subsystem) update twice, once for each
install, and make sure you get the path correct for each. Having done that
though you're done. There are no other tricks.
Pace never actually caused me any trouble, though I do bypass it now just
to be sure. ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote:
>Hi there..I have been using 2.2 for several years...Which runs the best
on
>XP,2.2 or 3.0 ? Also,exactly how do you install 3.0 if you want to run BOTH
>versions?(I have been scared of the dreaded PACE issues) thanks for any
>help....
>
>Wormhole is sort of an interprogram Senderella?
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Hello to everyone.
>You all know here my humble efforts to push Paris a little bit to the future...
>What is though lacking is the kind of support from most of us here...
>An example to what I mean is wormhole.
>This kind guy -author- of wormhole has made too many efforts to make wormhole
>work better with Paris.
>But...things have stopeed somehow because noone except from me and Genne
>Lennon I guess , has bought wormhole.
>I explained to wormhole author that he will find a great willingness of
support
>in his efforts but I was wrong...
>How can we all expect Paris to grow along when we do not support those efforts
>?
>Even if you would not need for now wormhole this would open doors to newer
>appz-plugins that could make Paris a better DAW.
>How can I ask this guy to try to make an app specific for Paris like an
automated
>delay compensation (if that will be possible ,who knows) or something other
>if we here do not support these guys.
>This damn wormhole is so cheap compared to what we all paid ( and some of
>you much more) to have our Paris system .
>Only if I see "named" responses that will confirm bying wormhole and we
must
>gather quite a few here then only I will get in touch again and somehow
"demand"
>Paris support with wormhole and other things.
>I am considering rebuying wormhole to add me first on that list...
>So please show in this forum that we wanna keep Paris alive spending some
>extra little money ( afew Pizzas less for a coupl e of weekends) starting
>with wormhole...
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>ps: If someone else too has already bought Paris ,my humble apologies to
>him, but I will need his name to add it on the list I will send to wormhole
>authorJohn, thanks for putting this post together.
MR
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>I have a 2.4ghz Intel Celeron box with Video on the MB, Asus MX800 i
>think. Should I run Paris in 16 bit or 32 bit color? Is there a way to
>test which is better?
>
>Below is my current list of optimizations. Let me know if anything
>looks wrong please. Thanks
>John
>
>Paris.cfg
>---------------
>
>*** PARIS Configuration ***
>
>*** ENGINE configuration parameters ***
>* Cache Size in MB
>CacheSize=128
>
>* Overview cache size in KB
>OvwCacheSize=8192
>
>* I/O configuration
>IOSize=256
>
>* SubMix Cache Size in KB
>SubMixCacheSize=256
>
>ManualRecDelay=4096
>
>RecXFadeLen=20
>Use32BitWinMTC=0
>
>DisableDirectX=0
>
>MasterOutputCard=0
>
>ScrubMaxRate=1
>
>WheelSensitivity=20
>
>WheelInertia=68
>
>CSProVersion=ABCDEFGH
>
>VSTDirectory=C:\vsts\
>
>MIDIPlayDisabled=1
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>tips
>
>* Enable / Check DMA: Control Panel / System / Device Manager for each
>hard drive and cdrom. Check that the hard drive name is shown or dl the
>right drivers.
>
>* Vcache (Disk Cache): sysedit, system.ini
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>[VCache]
>MinFileCache=16384
>MaxFileCache=16384
>
>or
>
>[VCache]
>MinFileCache=56320
>MaxFileCache=56320
>(Note: the settings are in kilobytes, 8192k = 8 megabytes. Use multiples
>of 1024)
>
>* Disable any applications that launch at boot-up by removing their
>shortcuts from your Windows/Start Menu / Programs / StartUp folder.
>
>* Win.ini: sysedit, win.ini, remove anything in LOAD or RUN lines
>
>* Swap File / Virtual memory settings:
>--------------------------------------------------
>Defragment drive.
>Let windows manage the swap file. The instructions below are only if you
>are managing it yourself for a known reason.
>Right-click your My Computer / Properties / Performance tab / Virtual
>Memory. Select Let me specify my own virtual memory settings. If you
>have a separate audio drive, select it from the pop-up if you have two
>audio drives, select the fastest one. Set virtual memory to 2 times the
>amount of installed RAM, up to a maximum setting of 150 Mb. 128MB
>recommended. Set both values to the same value.
>
>After changing the value of the swap file defrag your hard drive and
>reboot to dos. Once in DOS delete the swap file so that when windows is
>restarted the swap file is rebuilt unfragmented. On systems with large
>amounts of memory (i.e. > 256mb) the hard disk based swap file is not
>needed as much, this tweak optimizes the use of the swap file on such
>systems.
>
>Using notepad open the file SYSTEM.INI in your Windows directory.
>
>Find the [386Enh] section and add a new line reading
>"ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1". Save the file and restart Windows for the
>change to take effect.
>
>
>* /Z:64 option: Format your AUDIO drive with "Format X: /Z:64" for 32k
>clusters.
>
>* Buffer DMA Channels: If you're using an IDE drive, Control Panel /
>System / Device Manager. Expand system devices, select Direct Memory
>Access Controller and click Properties. Click the Settings tab. Use the
>up arrow to increase the Reserve DMA buffer try a setting of 32k or 64k.
>
>* Disable Read Ahead Optimization: Device Manager, Performance tab /
>File System. Set Read-ahead optimization slider to None.
>
>* Disable Write Behind Caching: Device Manager / Performance / File
>System / Troubleshooting tab / check Disable write-behind caching for
>all drives.
>
>* Network server performance profile: Device Manager / Performance /
>File System / Typical Role "Network Server"
>
>* Auto Insert Notification: Device Manager / CD-ROM/Properties,
>un-check 'Auto insert notification'. Attention: Some CD-ROM burn
>programs activate the notification automatically when they are started,
>without telling you this.
>
>* Turn off clock: Right click taskbar, Properties / un-check Show Clock
>on the Taskbar Options tab.
>
>* Disable AntiVirus AutoScan: Disable / don't install any software
>including virus software that auto-scans files. Re-enable the software
>when you're not using PARIS.
>
>* IDE Drivers. Make sure the correct IDE drivers are loaded. Under the
>device manager, look under Hard Drives. If your hard drive is listed by
>brand name, you are good. If it is listed as "Generic", you need to load
>the proper drivers.
>
>* Msconfig.exe can be used to minimize what is loaded at startup.
>
>
>Desktop Properties
>---------------------------
>* De-activate Screen Saver: Right click desktop, Properties, Screen
>Saver, 'None'.
>* Remove Wallpapers: Right click Desktop. Properties, Background tab,
>select "none"
>* Animation Desktop, right mouse click, Properties, Effects, un-check
>'Animate windows, menus and lists'.
>
>Control Pane
>----------------------------
>* De-activate Power management. Control Panel / Power Management /
>power scheme 'Always on'. Set 'System Standby' and 'Turn off hard disks'
>to 'Never'. Set monitor to anything.
>* Disable System sounds. Control Panel / Sounds, choose scheme 'No sounds'.
>
>* Exit Task scheduler. Start the program with a double click, choose
>'Exit Task scheduler' under Options, and its gone or check msconfig startup
>
>Open your registry and find the key below. There should be a value
>named 'SchedulingAgent' which is set to equal 'mstask.exe',
>this is the entry that loads the Task Scheduler. Delete this value to
>stop the task manager loading again.
>
>Settings:
>Key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersio n\
>RunServices]
>Value Name: SchedulingAgent
>Data Type: REG_SZ (String Value)
>Value Data: mstask.exe
>
>
>* De-activate scrolling Tooltips. Explorer: View - Folder Options -
>View - uncheck "Popup ...." or "Tooltips ...". If you have TweakUI
>installed, open it and go to the "General" tab. Uncheck "Mouse hot
>tracking effects". This, however, does not turn off ALL
>
>
>Little crap
>* Logitech mouse software, turn off Tray Icon, Set Keyboard, mouse
>properties
>* ADD Windows media player to allow Native Plugins to work in Paris
>* install Tweakui, * Command Prompt Here
>* network auto logon
>* TaskBar, small icons
>* Folder properties, Disable display animation.
>
>
>
>
>
>Set manual punch long on Paris Project Settings menu
>
>Keep the AUDIO window and any other windows you don't need open CLOSED
>to save CPU and RESOURCES
>
>Check Your Free Disk Space
>
>If the free space on a hard disk falls to below 10% of the size of the
>drive or 100 MB (whichever is smaller), performance slows to an absolute
>crawl. The easiest way to quickly check your available disk space is to
>double-click My Computer, hit F5, and click once on C:. The drive's
>capacity and free disk space will appear in the lower pane of the
>window. As you will see by the next few topics free disk space really
>does impact your system more than what most people realise because of
>multiple factors.....read on.
>
>
>Delete all TMP files (temporary files)
>
>Temp files are where the computer places information temporarily while
>it writes that information to disk or waits for you to tell it where
>that information is to go. What happens if you have heaps of TMP files
>in your computer is that the computer goes to create the 00001.TMP file
>and that name is already taken up by another file so it then tries to
>use 00002.TMP file and if that one exsists I'm sure you can guess what
>then happens....All this wastes both a computers time and power...
>
>Start > Find > Files or folders > *.tmp will probably turn up some temp
>files. Ctrl-A-Shift-Del-Enter will banish them without sending them to
>the Recycle Bin.
>
>
>Delete all CHK files
>
>CHK files also tend to clutter up hard drives--these are the lost
>clusters ScanDisk finds and saves unless told otherwise. Start > Find >
>Files or folders > *.chk may turn up some more candidates for deletion.
>Ctrl-A-Shift-Del-Enter disposes of them properly.
>
>TIP if you open up the advanced options in scandisk you can tell the
>program to "free space" and NOT to "convert to files" this means you
>will never need to search for CHK files again...Or until you
>format/reinstall windows again.
>Delete all Temp Internet Files
>
>Start > Run > c:\Windows and, while holding down the Control key, click
>once on the folder labeled Temporary Internet Files and once on the
>folder labeled Cookies. If you have settings that are saved in cookies,
>such as logon IDs for password-protected web sites, don't select
>Cookies. Shift-Del will throw away your Internet Explorer cache (IE uses
>an inordinately high 10% of your available disk space for cache by
>default) and your Internet Explorer cookies. Internet Explorer will
>rebuild this folder the next time it's launched.
>
>TIP Yes once again you can change a setting to stop this from EVER
>becomming a problem. INTERNET EXPLORER>TOOLS>INTERNET OPTIONS>ADVANCED
>tick the option "empty internet tempory file folder when browser is
>closed" If you have a slow modem then you may wish to decrease the
>maximum space for these files instead.
>
>
>Get Rid of Excess Fonts
>
>Windows 9x is better at font management than Windows 3.1 was, but this
>platform still has difficulty managing large numbers of fonts. Fonts
>consume disk space and chew up CPU cycles whether you're using them or
>not. If you have hundreds of fonts, either get a package like Adobe Type
>Manager Deluxe that lets you group and categorize them for special
>projects, or group and categorize them into folders yourself, dragging
>their contents into your fonts folder as you need them. As long as fonts
>aren't in the C:\Windows\Fonts directory, they're just occupying disk
>space, and they're not consuming any CPU cycles. The only people likely
>to need the Symbol font are mathematicians, college students living in
>Greek houses, and students studying the Greek language. If you don't
>fall into any of those three categories, you can ditch Symbol as well. :)
>Defragment Your Hard Drive
>
>After you maximize your free space, you want to defragment your drive
>using Start > Programs > Accessories > Disk Defragmenter. Defragment
>whether Windows says you need to or not. There are strategies for
>defragmenting, third-party utilities that do a better job.
>
>Defragment your drive after you remove any large quantity of data from
>your hard drive, as well as any time you install software. You should
>also make a habit of defragmenting your drive once a month. Before an
>important recording session is also a good time to spend the time
>defragging (and i dont mean playing a quick game of unreal
>tournament)*smiles*.
>
>The less free space you have on your hard drive, the faster your drive
>will become fragmented !!! The previous few topics are beginning to seem
>not so stupid after all.
>Make Sure Your System Is Using 32-bit Drivers
>
>If the system is much slower than it should be, there's a good chance
>that Windows isn't using its native 32-bit drivers for disk access.
>Another common symptom of this problem is a nonfunctioning CD-ROM drive.
>To check for more symptoms, press Start, then proceed to Settings >
>Control Panel > System > Performance. If you see a message that says
>certain drives are using MS-DOS compatibility mode, you have a problem.
>Switch over to Device Manager > Hard Disk Controllers. If you see yellow
>exclamation points, you may have one very common (but perplexing)
>Windows 9x problem. To fix it, press Start, then proceed to Run >
>Regedit, then Ctrl-F-NoIDE-Enter. We'll talk about Regedit in a little
>bit more depth later in this chapter. For now, if Regedit comes back
>with a key labeled NoIDE highlighted in blue, right-click on it and
>select Delete. Now restart immediately. You should see an immediate,
>dramatic improvement in disk performance.
>
>
>Lose autoexec.bat and config.sys
>
>Rename AUTOEXEC.bat to AUTOEXEC.XYZ and rename CONFIG.bat to CONFIG.XYZ
>and restart. If you don't run DOS programs, this trick is a double
>blessing: you speed up your system, and you don't have to change the way
>you work at all. Renaming the files like this allows you to keep the
>files for reference, but keeps the system from finding them and using
>the configuration data in them. Be sure to restart immediately after you
>do this procedure.
>Clean Out Your Startup Group
>
>Loading programs in to RAM will force the computer to use the swap file,
>see next topic below. I suggest using this utility to unload all
>programs that load at startup except, External links, SYSTRAY,
>taskmonitor, and scanregistry....All others can and should go. The only
>other one I have in here is my firewall. Make sure that you have no more
>than 5 in here and definately no MS fastfind or MSoffice entries. Virus
>protection should be removed since you can run it when it is needed.
>
>
>Optimize Your Swap File , also known as virtual memory.
>
>In a perfect world your computer will never use its swap file at all. If
>the computer needs the swap file constantly the computer looks to empty
>the cpu's work to ram, when the ram is full it then empties some of the
>ram to the hard drive then puts what the CPU was working on in ram. Then
>the cpu looks for the next data that it needs that should be already in
>the ram waiting. This shuffling DATA to and from the RAM and hard disk
>brings a fast CPU to its knees.
>
>Forget what other people have told you about set your swap file to
>double the amount of ram you have....This wastes huge amounts of hard
>disk space and when recording if you ever need that much room for a swap
>file I can tell you now your computer is not going to cope with too many
>tracks of audio. Setting the swap file's maximum and minimum values to
>the same number is a good idea but this can cause an even worse thing to
>occur than letting windows manage the swap file..Your swap file can
>become fragmented.....Windows 98 is miles ahead of 95 when it comes to
>managing the swap file so I recommend it is left at its default settings
>unless you wish draw every once of power out of the computer or are
>having problems with windows deafult setting... If you only have 1 hard
>drive I would highly recommend setting the max and min to the same value
>or the drive has to leave the audio files to make any changes to the
>swap file (refer to this pagefor more info on this). After changing the
>value of the swap file defrag your hard drive and reboot to dos. Once in
>DOS delete the swap file so that when windows is restarted the swap file
>is rebuilt unfragmented....This is very important. Another trick is too
>get the autoexec.bat file to delete the swapfile for you everytime the
>computer starts. Enough free unfragmented space is needed if this trick
>is to be used. Windows 98 has a utility called SYSTEM MONITOR which can
>tell you how large your swap file is. It may need to be installed off
>your CDROM since it is optional when installing windows. Run your
>programs and look at the size of the swap file when windows is managing
>its size...This will tell you if you need more RAM and what size to set
>your permanent swap file to. You will want to make sure windows doesn't
>reallocate the space for a swap file whilst you are recording or a
>glitch will be heard...Logic Audio calculates how much room you need for
>a swap file based on the figure set in audio hardware and drivers. The
>setting is called "max audio tracks" for this reason you should set this
>number to as close to the maximum amount of tracks that you will need in
>the song that you are working on. Logic ensures that windows will not
>resize your swap file when recording unless you load another program
>while running logic. Setting the maximum and minimum swap file size to
>the same number and higher than what you ever need for a swap file isn't
>necessary for Logic Audio but some other programs aren't as smart and it
>may need to be done.
>
>I have read heaps of tips on swap files and I shall tell you to ignore
>most of it...One tip is to set a swap file on another dedicated
>partition, this seems like a good idea since the swap file will never
>become fragmented but Partitions other than the primary one will be
>signifcantly slower depending on how far towards the centre of the drive
>that partition is. You want the swap file to be in the fastest part of
>the hard drive and definatly NOT on the same partition as your audio
>files..Once again a dedicated hard drive for audio begins to make more
>sense. Recording to the same partion as the swap file and system files
>can increase the chance of data corruption.
>
>On systems with large amounts of memory (i.e. > 256mb) the hard disk
>based swap file is not needed as much, this tweak optimizes the use of
>the swap file on such systems.
>
>Using notepad open the file SYSTEM.INI in your Windows directory.
>
>Find the [386Enh] section and add a new line reading
>"ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1". Save the file and restart Windows for the
>change to take effect.
>
>
>VCache or Disk Cache
>
>Cache can get quite confusing for some people since there are many
>different types of cache. This section will talk just about VCACHE or
>disk cache as it is also known as.
>
>Go to Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Performance > File
>System > Typical Role of this Machine > Network Server. Windows will now
>store the last 2,729 filenames and the last 64 directory names it's
>used. Of the well-known tips, this one tends to make the most noticeable
>difference. Using Network Sever will double the standard settings...For
>those of you using more than 256 Mb of RAM I will write a registry patch
>that will double the values for network sever. I will link it HERE. You
>may use it at your own risk and on the condition you let me know if you
>noticed a difference after installing it. It will add another option
>under network sever called "Skinah's DAW Tweak" so you can select and
>deselect it at will. When playing with this value you will need to
>allocate more VCACHE to hold/store the extra files in ram or you will
>not achieve a thing....This is outlined below....
>VCACHE SETTINGS
>
>Windows uses its VCACHE to mirror data on your hard drive. It takes only
>a little bit longer to read 128K off the disk than it takes to read 64K,
>so when Windows asks for 64K, the VCACHE will go ahead and read more
>data than Windows asks for. And if Windows asks for the next piece,
>VCACHE can provide that data from RAM instead of from the disk. Also, if
>you ask for a piece of data once, there's a decent chance you'll ask for
>it again, so VCACHE holds whatever data you've loaded last for as long
>as possible.
>
>To illustrate this principle, try restarting your computer, then loading
>a large application like Microsoft Word. Count off the seconds before it
>loads--an unscientific one-one-thousand, two-one-thousand will suffice
>for this illustration. Now immediately close Word and load it again.
>This time, it will load much more quickly, because much of Word is
>loading from RAM rather than from disk.
>
>The correct setting is totally system dependant. I will give you some
>guidelines that other sites do not tell you....
>
>Setting Vcache to a value less than 8192 can cause problems when burning
>CD's....It helps to cause "buffer underruns" so set the maximum vcache
>setting equal to or more than 8192. Next tip is that with increasing the
>computers role from "desktop" to "network server" or "Skinah's DAW
>tweak" the computer remembers more and more of the last files you used
>and keeps them in RAM...If the Vcache is small then not all of the files
>fit into the allocated space and the full potential of increasing the
>role is never achieved. The other end of the scale is that if you set
>the minimum value to a high value this keeps that amount of RAM for
>vcache and won't allow programs to use that section of RAM... This is
>why windows is constantly changing the values behind your back. The less
>RAM u use the more it allocates to Vcache. Once again you can use SYSTEM
>MONITOR to graph your disk cache settings while windows has control over
>the settings to see what your system needs under normal applications.
>Just remember that windows uses something like 75% of available ram for
>caching so make sure you load your sequencing program and a large song
>before looking at the values.... my settings are 10240 minimum and 32768
>maximum since my computer always uses the 32768 value unless the system
>is very low on ram where it will then decrease to the 10240 setting. I
>find my computer NEVER resizes the vcache with these settings since I
>have enough RAM in my computer for the applications that I run. You can
>make the values anything you like although I highly recommend sticking
>to values that are multiples of 1024 due to the way a computer counts
>with base 2.....A bit is either a 1 or a 0, so you have two choices in
>binary code (2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2=1024) 1024 is 10bits.
>
>The VCACHE settings are found in a file called "system.ini" in your
>windows directory.
>
>v-cache settings in tweaking windows win-98 and me for audio recording.
>
>
>Write Caching
>
>By default, Windows is set to enable disk "write caching" which
>basically means that rather than writing files to hard disk immediately,
>Windows puts the (audio and other) data in RAM first, waiting for a
>chance to write it to disk.
>Unfortunately, if you're recording a lengthy bit of audio, this "chance"
>may never come, and Windows will simply run out of RAM and try to dump
>any audio (or other) file/s currently in RAM to your hard disk. This can
>potentially cause data loss, audio glitches and other "fun" stuff.
>
> * To disable write caching...right-click on the My Computer icon on
>your desktop and scroll to Properties in the menu which appears.
> * In the ensuing window/s, click on the Performance Tab and then
>File System buttons, respectively.
> * In the next window, click on the Troubleshooting Tab and check
>the "Disable Write-Behind Caching.." checkbox.
>
>Turn Off CD-ROM Autoplay
>
>Under some circumstances, Windows 9x polls the CD-ROM drive every few
>seconds to see if a CD has been inserted. Depending on the nature of
>your system, this can make things noticeably more sluggish. Control
>Panel > System > Device Manager > CD-ROM > <name of your CD-ROM drive> >
>Properties > Settings. Clear the box labeled Auto Insert Notification,
>then click OK. If you have more than one CD or DVD device, repeat this
>process for each drive in your system.
>
>If you are recording and your computer is close to 100% CPU power the
>simple checking the cdrom drive can cause clicks and pops at regular
>intervals...Also if a hard drive is sharing an IDE channel with a cdrom
>and it checks for a cd in the drive then that hard drive cannot be
>accessed !!! click here for more info regarding this and IDE.
>Turn Off Power Management
>
>By default, Windows will shut down your hard drive after a period of
>inactivity. This feature can cause significant slowdowns, because your
>drive then has to power back up the next time it's accessed. The delay
>can easily be a second or more. This delay will be noticeable if your
>disk cache has been working well and your system hasn't had to access
>the drive for a long period of time, but a sudden change of events makes
>the system look to the drive.
>
>The wisdom of turning off hard drives in order to save power is
>questionable anyway. This practice causes them to wear out much more
>quickly, and the amount of money you save will be pennies per year, if
>that--the amount of power a modern hard drive consumes is that
>negligible. Reducing the lifespan of a useful drive that will cost $200
>to replace in order to save a dime just doesn't seem like a wise move.
>
>In laptop computers, the situation is a little bit different since your
>primary concern is battery life, rather than performance or longevity.
>You have little choice but to use power management on your laptop;
>however, keep it turned off on your desktop computer.
>
>In Windows 95, go to Start > Settings > Control Panel > Power. Clear the
>box that reads "Allow Windows to manage power usage on this computer."
>Then click on the Disk Drives tab and clear the checkbox there as well.
>
>In Windows 98, go to Start > Settings > Control Panel > Power Management
> > Power Schemes > Home/office desk > Turn off hard disks > Never.
>
>
>Use Hotkeys Instead of Desktop Icons
>
>Some people many see this as over the top, and yes it is unless you have
>lots and lots of icons on the desktop. If you set your vcache settings
>correct the icons should be in the cache. Many people keep shortcuts to
>their most frequently used applications on their desktop. In the past,
>I've recommended that people follow this practice. Unfortunately, having
>dozens of icons on the desktop slows the system down for the same reason
>that having desktop wallpaper does, only more so because the system
>frequently has to load the icons from disk when redrawing the desktop.
>Keep your desktop simple--if you need fast access to certain key
>applications and don't want to navigate the Start menu, define hotkeys
>instead. They're faster than double-clicking an icon, they're always
>available without having to make the desktop visible again, and they
>don't slow the system down.
>
>To make a hotkey, right-click on the Start menu and hit Explore.
>Navigate to your program's icon, then right-click on it and hit
>Properties. Click the Shortcut tab, and click in the box labeled
>Shortcut Key. Hit a key that makes sense--I typically use the first
>letter of the application's name--then hit OK. From then on, hitting
>Ctrl-Alt and that letter key will launch that application.
>
>If you only have one hard drive then this tip is a good idea.... If you
>have two drives then it doesn't hurt to have a few around to help people
>find applications. I prefer a clean desktop anyway and using hotkeys is
>good once you get used to the idea.....that is until you then use
>another computer or format the disk LOL.
>
>
>Enable Your Hard Drive's DMA Setting
>
>THIS IS A MUST. If your disk controller is capable of direct memory
>access (DMA) and has the correct driver installed, you can dramatically
>reduce the amount of CPU power your drives require. DMA permits the
>controller chip to write to memory directly, rather than sending it to
>the CPU and making the CPU write it to memory. This feature alone
>doesn't do much to improve the speed of the data transfer, but it does
>permit the CPU to do other work while disk access is taking place, which
>can increase overall system speed.
>
>Many people know to download the DMA-capable drivers for their disk
>controllers, but they frequently miss this step, which negates most of
>the benefit of having the drivers. To enable DMA, go to Start > Control
>Panel > System > Device Manager > Disk Drives > <any IDE drive present>
> > Properties > Settings > Options > Enable DMA. reboot the computer and
>then recheck the DMA box, it should stay ticked.
>
>If the drive or controller isn't capable of DMA, or if the installed
>driver doesn't support DMA, the Enable DMA box won't appear. In
>addition, this box probably won't appear on SCSI devices, because SCSI
>controllers generally use DMA by default and don't give the option to
>turn it off. Some ATA100/66 controllers are handled as SCSI devices.
>
>
>
>
>
>USB, COM and LPT ports If USB is not needed then disable it in the
>bios. This can also be done to serial ports and parallel ports. If you
>dont use any parallel devices but you use a legacy sound device then
>disable it or you get IRQ sharing. You can also disable the legacy
>emulation if you never run any dos games. Same goes for serial ports.
>You only have 2 IRQ's for serial ports and if u have both enabled and an
>internal modem installed then you are IRQ sharing. IRQ sharing puts
>extra load on the CPU depending how many interupts that are sent down
>that line. You free up IRQ's by disabling any thing thats built into the
>MB in the BIOS.
>
>
>
>Compressed Drives Dont use compressed drives for obvious reasons, more
>power to the CPU. Also make sure disk compression is disabled. Check
>under control panel-system-performance
>
>Virus Protection While it is essential to have protection dont leave it
>running in the background, this goes for all programs especially ICQ. If
>u must have programs loaded then get more RAM 128 is the bare minimum.
>256 is where its at these days especially with VST instruments or
>Virtual instruments. More things that run means more latency is needed
>and less tracks/effects.
>
>- check in device manager which resources your components use, and
>enable shadowing of these memory ranges in bios (advanced bios features)
>
>
>Disable Window animation
>
>windows uses little "effects" for when a window pops up and is
>minimised... you can disable this in win98 START> SETTINGS> CONTROL
>PANEL>DISPLAY>EFFECTS> "animate windows menus and lists"...disable this
>and bingo no more pops. depending on how badly your HDD is fragmented
>and if u are using 1 or two drives this will differ from system to
>system. Having this enabled on some systems will cause pops and glitches
>whenever you minimise and maximise or even switch between two programs.
>
>
>
>Thanks To.....
>
>A lot of the basic information here has been gathered from a wide
>variety of sources. It has been edited by me to make it relevent to DAW
>uses and also to cut to outdated information out. I have also added a
>large amount of my own Tips trick and experience. I would like to thank
>David L. Farquhar and others whom i will add here for some of the
>information contained in this page. David L. Farquhar has written a book
>on this topic which is recomended by microsoft.
>
>
>
>Lose the Screen Savers
>
>The need for screen savers evaporated in the early 1990s when monitor
>refresh rates increased, but people continue to buy them. There is
>absolutely no compelling reason to use them; from a technical
>standpoint, they do far more harm than good. The real danger with
>monitors is not the picture becoming permanently etched onto the screen;
>it's the phosphors wearing out from being overworked. Many screen savers
>have nearly as much movement as a fast-paced video game and make the
>monitor and CPU work about as hard as well. If your system is doing
>routine maintenance like scanning for viruses, checking hard disks for
>errors and correcting them, or defragmenting hard disks--things it
>should be doing automatically, and we'll cover that in Chapter 5--a
>screen saver interrupting those tasks will make them take much longer.
>If you're waiting for the computer to finish some time-intensive task
>like a transform in Photoshop or even a lengthy download from the
>Internet, the screen saver steals valuable RAM and CPU power from that
>task. It also creates one more task for the computer to juggle--and one
>more reason for it to crash. Some screen savers have been known to crash
>systems.
>
>Using the Blank Screen screen saver that comes with Windows is a good
>idea; it doesn't use any CPU power, and it gives your monitor's
>phosphors the opportunity to really rest, saving wear and tear on the
>monitor and reducing its power consumption. If you want to protect your
>monitor, use Blank Screen and give it a timeout period of 30 minutes.
>The use of any other screen saver causes more harm than good.
>
>Some monitors eliminate the need for any screen saver altogether. My
>Iiyama Vision Master Pro monitor has a power management menu. If your
>monitor has digital on-screen controls, it may also have its own power
>management. If that's the case, set your monitor to put itself in
>power-saving mode after 30 minutes, which allows you to dispense even
>with the Blank Screen screen saver.
>
>Lose the System Sounds and Desktop Schemes
>
>The Microsoft Plus packs for Windows 95 and 98 contain some gimmicks
>such as desktop themes than cause icons to spin as they're clicked.
>Unless you have an extremely high-end computer turn that stuff off. In
>many cases, it takes longer for the computer to spin the program's icon
>than it does to load and launch the program.
>
>You also want to turn off animated cursors and system sounds, as these
>toys can steal large amounts of memory and CPU time. If you need system
>sounds to warn you of important things like critical events, program
>errors, or incoming mail, go ahead and use them, but refrain from
>assigning sounds to every event. On the majority of systems, I go into
>the Sounds control panel, select the schemes box, and set it to No Sounds.
>
>
>Paris runs best on its own IRQ. 3 works well
>In BIOS pick PNP OS "NO"
>Assign the PCI slot for the paris cards to 3.
>The legacy MIDI is on IRQ 5
>Remove the Scherzo driver and reinstall them on reboot.
>Disable USB, Serial, Com Ports not needed.
>
>PCI Slots:
>========
>
>Check your motherboard to see which PCI slots are shared with other
>devices such as AGP Video cards and RAID controllers and put the EDS
>cards in the slots that are NOT shared.
>
>For example, some BX Motherboards share slot 3 with AGP. The KT7 MB has
>Slot 1’s IRQ shared with the AGP Video card and Slot 5 shared with the
>Raid controller.
>
>Insert your EDS cards in the lowest number non shared PCI slot so they
>will be checked for activity before other cards on the system.
>
>* Put system drive on one Ide channel and audio drive on the other Ide
>channel.
>
>
>
>Ain't it easy to config ????????????????????? I can't believe you read
>this far! yayHi Dimitrios
As I had no real need for this app I really didn't pay attention to your
previous posts but with a new (second) computer coming on line shortly I
have but one question
How fast are file transfers compared to a straight LAN connection with
crossover cable or via a router ?
Thanks
Don
"cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Wormhole is sort of an interprogram Senderella?
>
>
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>>Hello to everyone.
>>You all know here my humble efforts to push Paris a little bit to the
>>future...
>>What is though lacking is the kind of support from most of us here...
>>An example to what I mean is wormhole.
>>This kind guy -author- of wormhole has made too many efforts to make
>>wormhole
>>work better with Paris.
>>But...things have stopeed somehow because noone except from me and Genne
>>Lennon I guess , has bought wormhole.
>>I explained to wormhole author that he will find a great willingness of
> support
>>in his efforts but I was wrong...
>>How can we all expect Paris to grow along when we do not support those
>>efforts
>>?
>>Even if you would not need for now wormhole this would open doors to newer
>>appz-plugins that could make Paris a better DAW.
>>How can I ask this guy to try to make an app specific for Paris like an
> automated
>>delay compensation (if that will be possible ,who knows) or something
>>other
>>if we here do not support these guys.
>>This damn wormhole is so cheap compared to what we all paid ( and some of
>>you much more) to have our Paris system .
>>Only if I see "named" responses that will confirm bying wormhole and we
> must
>>gather quite a few here then only I will get in touch again and somehow
> "demand"
>>Paris support with wormhole and other things.
>>I am considering rebuying wormhole to add me first on that list...
>>So please show in this forum that we wanna keep Paris alive spending some
>>extra little money ( afew Pizzas less for a coupl e of weekends) starting
>>with wormhole...
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>>
>>ps: If someone else too has already bought Paris ,my humble apologies to
>>him, but I will need his name to add it on the list I will send to
>>wormhole
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The Wormhole link is?
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
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Hello to everyone.
You all know here my humble efforts to push Paris a little bit to the =
future...
What is though lacking is the kind of support from most of us here...
An example to what I mean is wormhole.
This kind guy -author- of wormhole has made too many efforts to make =
wormhole
work better with Paris.
But...things have stopeed somehow because noone except from me and =
Genne
Lennon I guess , has bought wormhole.
I explained to wormhole author that he will find a great willingness =
of support
in his efforts but I was wrong...
How can we all expect Paris to grow along when we do not support those =
efforts
?
Even if you would not need for now wormhole this would open doors to =
newer
appz-plugins that could make Paris a better DAW.
How can I ask this guy to try to make an app specific for Paris like =
an automated
delay compensation (if that will be possible ,who knows) or something =
other
if we here do not support these guys.
This damn wormhole is so cheap compared to what we all paid ( and some =
of
you much more) to have our Paris system .
Only if I see "named" responses that will confirm bying wormhole and =
we must
gather quite a few here then only I will get in touch again and =
somehow "demand"
Paris support with wormhole and other things.
I am considering rebuying wormhole to add me first on that list...
So please show in this forum that we wanna keep Paris alive spending =
some
extra little money ( afew Pizzas less for a coupl e of weekends) =
starting
with wormhole...
Regards,
Dimitrios
ps: If someone else too has already bought Paris ,my humble apologies =
to
him, but I will need his name to add it on the list I will send to =
wormhole
author
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------=_NextPart_000_0147_01C5D6EC.A672BB50--Hi Dimitrios,
I'd like to experiment with wormhole. I emailed their website the other
day to see if Paris was supported but they haven't got back to me yet.
jefj
Dimitrios wrote:
>Hello to everyone.
>You all know here my humble efforts to push Paris a little bit to the future...
>What is though lacking is the kind of support from most of us here...
>An example to what I mean is wormhole.
>This kind guy -author- of wormhole has made too many efforts to make wormhole
>work better with Paris.
>But...things have stopeed somehow because noone except from me and Genne
>Lennon I guess , has bought wormhole.
>I explained to wormhole author that he will find a great willingness of support
>in his efforts but I was wrong...
>How can we all expect Paris to grow along when we do not support those efforts
>?
>Even if you would not need for now wormhole this would open doors to newer
>appz-plugins that could make Paris a better DAW.
>How can I ask this guy to try to make an app specific for Paris like an automated
>delay compensation (if that will be possible ,who knows) or something other
>if we here do not support these guys.
>This damn wormhole is so cheap compared to what we all paid ( and some of
>you much more) to have our Paris system .
>Only if I see "named" responses that will confirm bying wormhole and we must
>gather quite a few here then only I will get in touch again and somehow "demand"
>Paris support with wormhole and other things.
>I am considering rebuying wormhole to add me first on that list...
>So please show in this forum that we wanna keep Paris alive spending some
>extra little money ( afew Pizzas less for a coupl e of weekends) starting
>with wormhole...
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>ps: If someone else too has already bought Paris ,my humble apologies to
>him, but I will need his name to add it on the list I will send to wormhole
>author
>
>Me too, yet I've slogged my way through 17 albums like that.
jef
DC wrote:
>I really hate it.
>
>Ever try to record your own stuff with no help? Ok, you get to keep
>the guitar tuned, setup the cans mix, make sure you don't pull the wire out
>of the cans walking around, do punch ins, play, oh and while
>playing, decide if what you are doing will require punch-ins, stand
>"right there" to keep the buzz down, press the red button, try not
>to look at the transport numbers going by, catch the guitar going
>out of tune, oh and play the solo of your life...
>
>arrrggghhhHHHHHHH!
>
>I have a good friend coming over soon to get me out of this
>padded room...
>
>And to run the gear while I turn back into a guitar player...
>
>Dang!
>
>DC
>
>
>DC
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I will probably pick up a used Gibson Les Paul or a new Epiphone Les Paul
>when I have extra cash. Maybe an SG???
You can get new SG's pretty cheap these days - they have
that "faded" series that can be had for under $700.
Apart from that, try to find a decent used tube amp that has a
nice-sounding drive to it, and get something to drive the front
end a little harder if you need to go to metal-land (something
simple like a compressor pedal, even... that way you're not
mixing two types of distortion together - that of the amp and
that of the pedal).
Now, that combination will cost you more than the $600 you
mentioned, of couse, but what you alos might check into are the
Line 6 modeling amps... they have a small combo with 12"
speaker that comes in right around $300 street, as I recall,
and while I've not recorded with these, I have played them a
bit, and they don't sound bad at all! The good thing about
something like this is that you don't have to tweak for days,
and you're still micing it up instead of going direct with a
modeled sound; and for rock guitar, having a mic in front of a
speaker vs. going direct makes a big difference, IMO.
Neil"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I find it less frustrating than dealing with other musos much of the time
>though. ;o)
Don't get me started...
>I guess things are somewhat different though for me dealing with pleb rock
>bands than recording the relative perfection of classical musos as I know
>you often do. I still have that CD you sent me somewhere of the organ...
> must dig it out for another listen.
You know, the classical perfection thing has not worn off on me
for my own rock stuff. Thank goodness.. I just want it to feel
good and get your attention. That, of course, is much much harder
than it sounds innit?
I recorded 99 takes of classical harp one night. They all sucked.
I told her to go home and practice and call me next week.
That's what I am doing.
BTW, this harpist told me she has pieces that require one hour a
day practice to be able to play. Right, one hour a day for one
piece... Yipes! I think I am starting to understand though.
DCThanks for all of your efforts Kim and good luck with the move!
TyroneIt's definitely a brain switch exercise. In PARIS it helps to use the 99
track looping mode to record multiple takes in one go. So that at least
while you're playing you don't have to think about recueing and such.
Once you have your levels set you can just play.
Logic has a similar feature which always available without having to do
a mode switch; with that and a remote control solo recording is not too
bad. Not as nice as having an engineer but not nearly as bad as it used
to be with tape machines, mixers and outboard FX to babysit. I can get
the song set up as an engineer, take a break, and come back as a
musician ready to play. That is, when Logic is behaving...
Kim, since you've inspired me to get the GNX4, it's already been
interesting getting into the foot controlled recording interface. The
GNX is already a useful scratchpad for ideas, and I wouldn't be
surprised if I come up with some keeper tracks when I get a bigger
compactflash card (recording guitar without an amp and mic? Without an
outboard pre? Heresy I tells ya! ;^)
Cheers,
-Jamie K
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Kim wrote:
> "DC" <dc@steeningspammers.org> wrote:
>
>>I really hate it.
>>
>>Ever try to record your own stuff with no help?
>
>
> Hehe. Yeh sure! Do it all the time! In fact that's what I enjoy most, and
> do most with Paris! I suppose it depends on your approach, I guess, or something.
> I'm fully adapted to the idea of "right, hit go, get it right, if you stuff
> it up do it again from the start". And I'm used to doing things one verse
> at a time or whatever as required, so you just need to get the verse right,
> not the whole song. I find I like the pressure of having to nail something
> though. Of course things become near impossible if I have just a single stuff
> up in the best solo over. Basically you move the solo to a spare track, record
> the however-many notes to replace the bad bit, then try and merge the two.
> I find it less frustrating than dealing with other musos much of the time
> though. ;o)
>
> I guess things are somewhat different though for me dealing with pleb rock
> bands than recording the relative perfection of classical musos as I know
> you often do. I still have that CD you sent me somewhere of the organ...
> must dig it out for another listen.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.You suck!!! You should be hooking up a series of large
batteries to the UPS, and connecting the server to a battery
operated satellite up-link for the duration of the move!
This would ensure no outages and prevent newsgroup-withdrawl!!
;-)
Kidding of course, thanks for all your efforts... they ARE
appreciated.
David.
Kim wrote:
> Just a quick one to let you all know we've been offline a little this arvo,
> and may be on occassion over the next few weeks. I'm moving house soon and
> I'm fiddling with switching routers among other things for the move.
>
> If you come across any outages rest assured I'm trying to keep things short.
> We've got two routers here currently and we'll be switching and changing
> as we experiment. If at any point we can't get things working we'll switch
> back to the "known working" unit for a bit till we sort the problem, so outages
> should be in the realm of under an hour.
>
> But there may be brief outages from time to time over the next few weeks,
> as there have been today. Just letting you know. I'll no doubt inform you
> again nearer the time I'm actually moving house.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.Hi gang,
I just installed a Matrox G450 PCI card - I already had a G450 AGP installed
with no problems using whatever drivers came with Windows XP. The new PCI
card does not get recognized by WinXP, and I get the "Hardware Update Wizard"
screen. As per your previous suggestions here, I did not try using Matrox's
own drivers, but I can't get WinXP to recognize the G450 PCI card. If the
driver for it is indeed there, where do I find it? Any suggestions would
be very much appreciated.
I've got the card installed on the slot immediately under the AGP card since
they share the same IRQ. I've got an ASUS A7S333 mobo, WinXP SP2. Deej please
help!
Thanks.
LuizMaybe we should make them an offer they can't refuse! (Image of SSC
waking up to oil-soaked sheets and a Harley headlamp chopped off with
wires dangling at his feet!)
- Don Pauleone
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:26:58 -0700, "Doug Wellington"
<doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote:
>Should we dredge up the old group-getting-together-to-buy-Paris-from-ID
>thing again? ;-)
>
>-Doug (It was a JOKE!!!)
>
>http://www.parisfaqs.com
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> "Casey Pechet" <cpechet@cascade-media.com> wrote:
>>>Legal expenses will probably far outweigh any benefits that accrue to
>>>those
>>>who participate in the action.
>>
>> My thoughts, too.
>OK,
The G450 AGP and PCI should use the same driver. First thing I would try is
to remove the AGP card from the system and have it boot to the PCI card. It
should work on the generic driver that Windows uses, or it may be recognized
immediately and you will be prompted for a driver update. If so go ahead and
have it search automatically for the *better driver*. If it finds the
Matrox driver, then go ahead and install it. Now reboot, go to your device
manager and make sure the Matrox PCI card is recognized, then right click on
your desktop, go to your settings window and set it up for dual monitors. If
this works (and it should), then shut the system down, reinstall the AGP
card and reboot the system. Go to the device manager and make sure both
cards are now recognized. If so, again right click on the desktop and go to
the settings window, make sure both cards are confiugured for dual monitors.
Once that is done, right click on each desktop and it will show which of
your monitors is hooked up to the corresponding head of each video card. Set
your screen resolutions to what you need. You may also need to physically
switch monitors between video cards until you get the situation you want
between monitors 1, 2, 3 and 4.
My phone # is 970-375-7081. You are welcome to give me a call today if you
get stuck. I'm doing studio maintenance and will have time to help. Tomorrow
I'm in session most of the day and next week I may be hard to catch.
;o)
Deej
"Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message news:435a77c1$1@linux...
>
> Hi gang,
>
> I just installed a Matrox G450 PCI card - I already had a G450 AGP
installed
> with no problems using whatever drivers came with Windows XP. The new PCI
> card does not get recognized by WinXP, and I get the "Hardware Update
Wizard"
> screen. As per your previous suggestions here, I did not try using
Matrox's
> own drivers, but I can't get WinXP to recognize the G450 PCI card. If the
> driver for it is indeed there, where do I find it? Any suggestions would
> be very much appreciated.
> I've got the card installed on the slot immediately under the AGP card
since
> they share the same IRQ. I've got an ASUS A7S333 mobo, WinXP SP2. Deej
please
> help!
>
> Thanks.
>
> LuizI was gonna say the same thing.........I mean.......with all of the money we
are paying him, this is such a ripoff!!!! Sounds like to me he's been using
all of the thousands of $$$$ we've been sending him to buy guitar processors
and stuff.
Hmfffffff...........
;oP
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:435a6f1f$1@linux...
> You suck!!! You should be hooking up a series of large
> batteries to the UPS, and connecting the server to a battery
> operated satellite up-link for the duration of the move!
> This would ensure no outages and prevent newsgroup-withdrawl!!
>
> ;-)
>
> Kidding of course, thanks for all your efforts... they ARE
> appreciated.
>
> David.
>
> Kim wrote:
> > Just a quick one to let you all know we've been offline a little this
arvo,
> > and may be on occassion over the next few weeks. I'm moving house soon
and
> > I'm fiddling with switching routers among other things for the move.
> >
> > If you come across any outages rest assured I'm trying to keep things
short.
> > We've got two routers here currently and we'll be switching and changing
> > as we experiment. If at any point we can't get things working we'll
switch
> > back to the "known working" unit for a bit till we sort the problem, so
outages
> > should be in the realm of under an hour.
> >
> > But there may be brief outages from time to time over the next few
weeks,
> > as there have been today. Just letting you know. I'll no doubt inform
you
> > again nearer the time I'm actually moving house.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kim.Deej,
You're awesome Dude! Thanks.
Luiz
"Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hi gang,
>
>I just installed a Matrox G450 PCI card - I already had a G450 AGP installed
> with no problems using whatever drivers came with Windows XP. The new PCI
>card does not get recognized by WinXP, and I get the "Hardware Update Wizard"
>screen. As per your previous suggestions here, I did not try using Matrox's
>own drivers, but I can't get WinXP to recognize the G450 PCI card. If the
>driver for it is indeed there, where do I find it? Any suggestions would
>be very much appreciated.
>I've got the card installed on the slot immediately under the AGP card since
>they share the same IRQ. I've got an ASUS A7S333 mobo, WinXP SP2. Deej please
>help!
>
>Thanks.
>
>LuizHi again guys,
I solved the problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work (AGP &
PCI). Thanks Deej!
Well, now I would like to know how to clone the images of monitors 1 & 2
on monitors 3 & 4. I know this can be done using the Matrox drivers and utilities
software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with their drivers,
I was wondering if anybody knew how to do it with the windows drivers - or
if it's possible.
Thanks for the help.
LuizYou guys rock! Thanks for all your recommendations. Some day I will get
a good Guitar pre, and tube amp. Right now I think I need to go with a processor
box. The reality is I'm a drummer not a guitar player, a $60K rig won't
fix my deficiencies. As the guy said in the movie Crossroads, "you play
like bird shit", that's me. I really am at a amateur night, demo kind of
a level, so quality equipment may not be able to save me.
I was hoping that if I put the time in to cutting tracks myself, that most
would be of high enough quality sound wise that they would be keepers. I
was trying to avoid the buying, trying selling thing. I guess I was hoping
for a magic bullet box that would give me versatility, and authentic amped
sound, enough to fool 95 % of the people. The promise of these boxes, is
that you can replace a room full of amps. Samples have really replaced many
instruments, but I guess the modelers have not replaced the tube Amp, and
will never be able to replace a great player.
I will have to experiment. I've recorded many guitar tracks over the years,
I've never like the digital modeling boxes I've used in the past. I already
knew that there is nothing like the real thing, but I was hoping the newer
stuff was a lot better, at least passable.
I think I have to stay in the song writing, demoing mode for now, and if
something is a keeper cool. If I'm in the ballpark sound wise, I guess that
will have to do.
I'm thinking I will start with The J-Station, it's around $100.00-150.00
and a lot of people like it. I recorded a Johnson Millennium AMP in the
past and it rocked, so I hope the J-station kind of gets me there for the
hard stuff. Although some of the J-Station samples sound like an amp recorded
down the hall in another room with a wet blanket over it. I think it's going
to be hard to get, defined, in your face guitar tracks out of this box, or
any other for that matter. The Adrenalinn II and the Waves/PRS GTR are on
the check out list.
If you guitar guy are not hip to the Waves PSR GTR, you might want to check
it out. It looks cool, vary flexible with the patching and automation of
effects. If it is as good as some of the Wave plugins, it will be a useful
tool. Here are some links:
http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM05/Content/Waves/PR/GTR .html
Summer NAMM show video demo:
http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM05/Index/videos.html
http://waves.com/
Thanks again!
JamesGet two active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull out the
PCI card entirely.
AA
"Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message news:435aa002$1@linux...
>
> Hi again guys,
>
> I solved the problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work (AGP &
> PCI). Thanks Deej!
> Well, now I would like to know how to clone the images of monitors 1 & 2
> on monitors 3 & 4. I know this can be done using the Matrox drivers and
> utilities
> software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with their
> drivers,
> I was wondering if anybody knew how to do it with the windows drivers - or
> if it's possible.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Luiz
>You are, of course, spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I think that
it would be even more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x
screens.........but in the absence of this necessity, isn't there a function
to to somehow do what he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this somewhere
during one of my odyssies.........but I forget where it was.
Getting old is a bitch........;o)
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:435aa3f2$1@linux...
> Get two active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull out the
> PCI card entirely.
>
> AA
>
>
> "Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message news:435aa002$1@linux...
> >
> > Hi again guys,
> >
> > I solved the problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work (AGP &
> > PCI). Thanks Deej!
> > Well, now I would like to know how to clone the images of monitors 1 & 2
> > on monitors 3 & 4. I know this can be done using the Matrox drivers and
> > utilities
> > software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with their
> > drivers,
> > I was wondering if anybody knew how to do it with the windows drivers -
or
> > if it's possible.
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > Luiz
> >
>
>I'm gett6ing set up for a guitar overdub session tomorrow. The guitarist is
a major, nationally recognized picker. I haven't really been given the green
light to name names right now. The tracks will be included in a mix of a
project that I've been working on here.
Anyway, I'm going to be doing a quick test of a number of mics for this
session. Since the room sounds good and I'm not worried about overbleed, I'm
considering X/Y pairs of SDC's and also mono tracking of the guitar using
LDC's. I'm pretty stoked by thewse SE mics I've been trying out and I'm
including them in the audition.
Here are the mics and preamps:
1. Stephen Paul U87-(Sytek)
2. AT 4050 (Sytek)
3. SE Titan (Sytek)
4. SE Titan-different voicing from standard issue (Sytek)
5. Mojave cardioid built by Mike Claytor (Great River MP2-MH)
6. SE Gemini (Great River MP2-MH)
7. Neumann KM184's in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
8. AKG C460B-Ck-61's in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
9. SE 3 in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
These preamps are all somewhat similar, being clean/straight wire with gain
kinda pre's and they were selected for reasons if consistency and expediency
in getting this test done within the remaining time I have available in
2005.
If it's OK with eve3ryone involved, I'll make some sound clips available.
Deej
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Deej and Luiz,
I think the matrox drivers allowed that setting?
One card will display to monitor A and duplicate it.
The other card will display to monitor B and duplicate it.
Whacky but it should work.
Tom
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:435aafc7@linux...
You are, of course, spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I =
think that
it would be even more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x
screens.........but in the absence of this necessity, isn't there a =
function
to to somehow do what he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this =
somewhere
during one of my odyssies.........but I forget where it was.
Getting old is a bitch........;o)
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:435aa3f2$1@linux...
> Get two active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull =
out the
> PCI card entirely.
>
> AA
>
>
> "Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message =
news:435aa002$1@linux...
> >
> > Hi again guys,
> >
> > I solved the problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work =
(AGP &
> > PCI). Thanks Deej!
> > Well, now I would like to know how to clone the images of monitors =
1 & 2
> > on monitors 3 & 4. I know this can be done using the Matrox =
drivers and
> > utilities
> > software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with =
their
> > drivers,
> > I was wondering if anybody knew how to do it with the windows =
drivers -
or
> > if it's possible.
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > Luiz
> >
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej and Luiz,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think the matrox drivers allowed that =
setting?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One card will display =
to monitor A and=20
duplicate it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The other card will display to monitor =
B and=20
duplicate it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Whacky but it should work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole=
_@animas.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:435aafc7@linux">news:435aafc7@linux</A>...</DIV>You are, =
of course,=20
spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I think that<BR>it would =
be even=20
more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x<BR>screens.........but =
in the=20
absence of this necessity, isn't there a function<BR>to to somehow do =
what=20
he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this somewhere<BR>during one of =
my=20
odyssies.........but I forget where it was.<BR><BR>Getting old is a=20
bitch........;o)<BR><BR><BR><BR>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
wrote in=20
message<BR><A=20
href=3D"news:435aa3f2$1@linux">news:435aa3f2$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
Get two=20
active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull out =
the<BR>> PCI=20
card entirely.<BR>><BR>> AA<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Luiz" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:orspamno@gmail.com">orspamno@gmail.com</A>> wrote in =
message=20
<A href=3D"news:435aa002$1@linux">news:435aa002$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
><BR>> > Hi again guys,<BR>> ><BR>> > I solved =
the=20
problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work (AGP =
&<BR>> >=20
PCI). Thanks Deej!<BR>> > Well, now I would like to know how to =
clone=20
the images of monitors 1 & 2<BR>> > on monitors 3 & 4. I =
know=20
this can be done using the Matrox drivers and<BR>> > =
utilities<BR>>=20
> software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with=20
their<BR>> > drivers,<BR>> > I was wondering if anybody =
knew how=20
to do it with the windows drivers -<BR>or<BR>> > if it's=20
possible.<BR>> ><BR>> > Thanks for the help.<BR>> =
><BR>>=20
> Luiz<BR>> =
><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE> </BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_01C1_01C5D734.AEE08C70--Oh, I'll bet whatever route you take, you'll fool 95% of the people!
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>You guys rock! Thanks for all your recommendations. Some day I will get
>a good Guitar pre, and tube amp. Right now I think I need to go with a
processor
>box. The reality is I'm a drummer not a guitar player, a $60K rig won't
>fix my deficiencies. As the guy said in the movie Crossroads, "you play
>like bird shit", that's me. I really am at a amateur night, demo kind of
>a level, so quality equipment may not be able to save me.
>
>I was hoping that if I put the time in to cutting tracks myself, that most
>would be of high enough quality sound wise that they would be keepers.
I
>was trying to avoid the buying, trying selling thing. I guess I was hoping
>for a magic bullet box that would give me versatility, and authentic amped
>sound, enough to fool 95 % of the people. The promise of these boxes, is
>that you can replace a room full of amps. Samples have really replaced
many
>instruments, but I guess the modelers have not replaced the tube Amp, and
>will never be able to replace a great player.
>
>I will have to experiment. I've recorded many guitar tracks over the years,
>I've never like the digital modeling boxes I've used in the past. I already
>knew that there is nothing like the real thing, but I was hoping the newer
>stuff was a lot better, at least passable.
>
>I think I have to stay in the song writing, demoing mode for now, and if
>something is a keeper cool. If I'm in the ballpark sound wise, I guess
that
>will have to do.
>
> I'm thinking I will start with The J-Station, it's around $100.00-150.00
>and a lot of people like it. I recorded a Johnson Millennium AMP in the
>past and it rocked, so I hope the J-station kind of gets me there for the
>hard stuff. Although some of the J-Station samples sound like an amp recorded
>down the hall in another room with a wet blanket over it. I think it's
going
>to be hard to get, defined, in your face guitar tracks out of this box,
or
>any other for that matter. The Adrenalinn II and the Waves/PRS GTR are
on
>the check out list.
>
>
>If you guitar guy are not hip to the Waves PSR GTR, you might want to check
>it out. It looks cool, vary flexible with the patching and automation of
>effects. If it is as good as some of the Wave plugins, it will be a useful
>tool. Here are some links:
>
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM05/Content/Waves/PR/GTR .html
>
>Summer NAMM show video demo:
>http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM05/Index/videos.html
>
>http://waves.com/
>
>Thanks again!
>
>JamesSince I didn't use the Matrox CD to install their drivers (I just used the
drivers provided by WindowsXP), I also don't have Matrox's Utility Application
installed. If I remember correctly, I couldn't see an option to install just
the utility app without installing the drivers as well. Any way of doing
this from inside Windows? Or can I somehow install the Matrox Utility app
(without also installing their drivers), and use that to assign the cloning?
Luiz
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Deej and Luiz,
>I think the matrox drivers allowed that setting?
>One card will display to monitor A and duplicate it.
>The other card will display to monitor B and duplicate it.
>Whacky but it should work.
>Tom
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
>news:435aafc7@linux...
> You are, of course, spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I =
>think that
> it would be even more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x
> screens.........but in the absence of this necessity, isn't there a =
>function
> to to somehow do what he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this =
>somewhere
> during one of my odyssies.........but I forget where it was.
>
> Getting old is a bitch........;o)
>
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> news:435aa3f2$1@linux...
> > Get two active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull =
>out the
> > PCI card entirely.
> >
> > AA
> >
> >
> > "Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message =
>news:435aa002$1@linux...
> > >
> > > Hi again guys,
> > >
> > > I solved the problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work
=
>(AGP &
> > > PCI). Thanks Deej!
> > > Well, now I would like to know how to clone the images of monitors
=
>1 & 2
> > > on monitors 3 & 4. I know this can be done using the Matrox =
>drivers and
> > > utilities
> > > software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with =
>their
> > > drivers,
> > > I was wondering if anybody knew how to do it with the windows =
>drivers -
> or
> > > if it's possible.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the help.
> > >
> > > Luiz
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej and Luiz,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think the matrox drivers allowed that
=
>
>setting?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One card will display =
>to monitor A and=20
>duplicate it.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The other card will display to monitor
=
>B and=20
>duplicate it.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Whacky but it should work.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole=
>_@animas.net</A>>=20
> wrote in message <A=20
> href=3D"news:435aafc7@linux">news:435aafc7@linux</A>...</DIV>You are,
=
>of course,=20
> spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I think that<BR>it would =
>be even=20
> more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x<BR>screens.........but
=
>in the=20
> absence of this necessity, isn't there a function<BR>to to somehow do
=
>what=20
> he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this somewhere<BR>during one of
=
>my=20
> odyssies.........but I forget where it was.<BR><BR>Getting old is a=20
> bitch........;o)<BR><BR><BR><BR>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
>wrote in=20
> message<BR><A=20
> href=3D"news:435aa3f2$1@linux">news:435aa3f2$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>Get two=20
> active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull out =
>the<BR>> PCI=20
> card entirely.<BR>><BR>> AA<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Luiz" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:orspamno@gmail.com">orspamno@gmail.com</A>> wrote in =
>message=20
> <A href=3D"news:435aa002$1@linux">news:435aa002$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>
> ><BR>> > Hi again guys,<BR>> ><BR>> > I solved =
>the=20
> problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work (AGP =
>&<BR>> >=20
> PCI). Thanks Deej!<BR>> > Well, now I would like to know how to =
>clone=20
> the images of monitors 1 & 2<BR>> > on monitors 3 & 4. I =
>know=20
> this can be done using the Matrox drivers and<BR>> > =
>utilities<BR>>=20
> > software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with=20
> their<BR>> > drivers,<BR>> > I was wondering if anybody =
>knew how=20
> to do it with the windows drivers -<BR>or<BR>> > if it's=20
> possible.<BR>> ><BR>> > Thanks for the help.<BR>> =
>><BR>>=20
> > Luiz<BR>> =
>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>
>Why didn't you use the Matrox drivers?
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message news:435acad4$1@linux...
>
> Since I didn't use the Matrox CD to install their drivers (I just used the
> drivers provided by WindowsXP), I also don't have Matrox's Utility
> Application
> installed. If I remember correctly, I couldn't see an option to install
> just
> the utility app without installing the drivers as well. Any way of doing
> this from inside Windows? Or can I somehow install the Matrox Utility app
> (without also installing their drivers), and use that to assign the
> cloning?
>
> Luiz
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Deej and Luiz,
>>I think the matrox drivers allowed that setting?
>>One card will display to monitor A and duplicate it.
>>The other card will display to monitor B and duplicate it.
>>Whacky but it should work.
>>Tom
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
>>news:435aafc7@linux...
>> You are, of course, spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I =
>>think that
>> it would be even more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x
>> screens.........but in the absence of this necessity, isn't there a =
>>function
>> to to somehow do what he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this =
>>somewhere
>> during one of my odyssies.........but I forget where it was.
>>
>> Getting old is a bitch........;o)
>>
>>
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>> news:435aa3f2$1@linux...
>> > Get two active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull =
>>out the
>> > PCI card entirely.
>> >
>> > AA
>> >
>> >
>> > "Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message =
>>news:435aa002$1@linux...
>> > >
>> > > Hi again guys,
>> > >
>> > > I solved the problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work
> =
>>(AGP &
>> > > PCI). Thanks Deej!
>> > > Well, now I would like to know how to clone the images of monitors
> =
>>1 & 2
>> > > on monitors 3 & 4. I know this can be done using the Matrox =
>>drivers and
>> > > utilities
>> > > software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with =
>>their
>> > > drivers,
>> > > I was wondering if anybody knew how to do it with the windows =
>>drivers -
>> or
>> > > if it's possible.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for the help.
>> > >
>> > > Luiz
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej and Luiz,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think the matrox drivers allowed that
> =
>>
>>setting?</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One card will display =
>>to monitor A and=20
>>duplicate it.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The other card will display to monitor
> =
>>B and=20
>>duplicate it.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Whacky but it should work.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole=
>>_@animas.net</A>>=20
>> wrote in message <A=20
>> href=3D"news:435aafc7@linux">news:435aafc7@linux</A>...</DIV>You are,
> =
>>of course,=20
>> spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I think that<BR>it would =
>>be even=20
>> more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x<BR>screens.........but
> =
>>in the=20
>> absence of this necessity, isn't there a function<BR>to to somehow do
> =
>>what=20
>> he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this somewhere<BR>during one of
> =
>>my=20
>> odyssies.........but I forget where it was.<BR><BR>Getting old is a=20
>> bitch........;o)<BR><BR><BR><BR>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
>>wrote in=20
>> message<BR><A=20
>> href=3D"news:435aa3f2$1@linux">news:435aa3f2$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>>Get two=20
>> active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull out =
>>the<BR>> PCI=20
>> card entirely.<BR>><BR>> AA<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Luiz" =
>><<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:orspamno@gmail.com">orspamno@gmail.com</A>> wrote in =
>>message=20
>> <A href=3D"news:435aa002$1@linux">news:435aa002$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>>
>> ><BR>> > Hi again guys,<BR>> ><BR>> > I solved =
>>the=20
>> problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work (AGP =
>>&<BR>> >=20
>> PCI). Thanks Deej!<BR>> > Well, now I would like to know how to =
>>clone=20
>> the images of monitors 1 & 2<BR>> > on monitors 3 & 4. I =
>>know=20
>> this can be done using the Matrox drivers and<BR>> > =
>>utilities<BR>>=20
>> > software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with=20
>> their<BR>> > drivers,<BR>> > I was wondering if anybody =
>>knew how=20
>> to do it with the windows drivers -<BR>or<BR>> > if it's=20
>> possible.<BR>> ><BR>> > Thanks for the help.<BR>> =
>>><BR>>=20
>> > Luiz<BR>> =
>>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>
>>
>I did not like the original POD. I do like some of the models in the
PODXTLive. I have not like the low end Digitech boxes. I do like some of
the models in the RP2000 and GNX4.
I did not care for the original Amplitube. I do like some of the models
in Logic's Guitar Amp Pro and would probably like some of the models in
the latest rev of Amplitube, the Line 6 plugin, etc.
The modelers are definitely getting better and they absolutely are
useful tone machines. Beyond that they bring significant advantages
logistically, including repeatability, instant recordability (once
you've found and saved the patches you want) and "reampability." All
together that can mean more playing time, more recording time and more
flexibility in the mix.
So if what you're actually looking for is great sounding tracks, you can
get that with the latest modelers (assuming a good guitarist),
especially if you can learn the box and get beyond the factory patches.
Learn the box and get beyond the factory patches. Did I mention "learn
the box and get beyond the factory patches?" In most cases factory
patches suck because they layer on too many effects and drive the models
too hard. They also may be tuned for guitar amps instead of direct and
you'll likely be using them direct. So spend some time learning the gear
to see what it can really do.
OTOH if what you're looking for is a specific amp/guitar/mic
combination, then you may need spring for that amp, that guitar and that
mic.
I don't know about the JStation. But learn the box and program your own
patches, or work with another guitarist who knows what to look for, and
you'll likely get closer than if you stick with what they give you by
default.
BTW, if you want a tube amp I have a hotrodded blackface Fender Bassman
50 up for grabs. It's been modified to do Fender and Marshall style
tones, and channel one drives into channel 2 with footswitch selection
between clean and tube overdrive. Sweet little guitar amp. I hardly use
it any more, it's for sale.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
cujo wrote:
> Oh, I'll bet whatever route you take, you'll fool 95% of the people!
>
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>You guys rock! Thanks for all your recommendations. Some day I will get
>>a good Guitar pre, and tube amp. Right now I think I need to go with a
>
> processor
>
>>box. The reality is I'm a drummer not a guitar player, a $60K rig won't
>>fix my deficiencies. As the guy said in the movie Crossroads, "you play
>>like bird shit", that's me. I really am at a amateur night, demo kind of
>>a level, so quality equipment may not be able to save me.
>>
>>I was hoping that if I put the time in to cutting tracks myself, that most
>>would be of high enough quality sound wise that they would be keepers.
>
> I
>
>>was trying to avoid the buying, trying selling thing. I guess I was hoping
>>for a magic bullet box that would give me versatility, and authentic amped
>>sound, enough to fool 95 % of the people. The promise of these boxes, is
>>that you can replace a room full of amps. Samples have really replaced
>
> many
>
>>instruments, but I guess the modelers have not replaced the tube Amp, and
>>will never be able to replace a great player.
>>
>>I will have to experiment. I've recorded many guitar tracks over the years,
>>I've never like the digital modeling boxes I've used in the past. I already
>>knew that there is nothing like the real thing, but I was hoping the newer
>>stuff was a lot better, at least passable.
>>
>>I think I have to stay in the song writing, demoing mode for now, and if
>>something is a keeper cool. If I'm in the ballpark sound wise, I guess
>
> that
>
>>will have to do.
>>
>>I'm thinking I will start with The J-Station, it's around $100.00-150.00
>>and a lot of people like it. I recorded a Johnson Millennium AMP in the
>>past and it rocked, so I hope the J-station kind of gets me there for the
>>hard stuff. Although some of the J-Station samples sound like an amp recorded
>>down the hall in another room with a wet blanket over it. I think it's
>
> going
>
>>to be hard to get, defined, in your face guitar tracks out of this box,
>
> or
>
>>any other for that matter. The Adrenalinn II and the Waves/PRS GTR are
>
> on
>
>>the check out list.
>>
>>
>>If you guitar guy are not hip to the Waves PSR GTR, you might want to check
>>it out. It looks cool, vary flexible with the patching and automation of
>>effects. If it is as good as some of the Wave plugins, it will be a useful
>>tool. Here are some links:
>>
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM05/Content/Waves/PR/GTR .html
>>
>>Summer NAMM show video demo:
>>http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM05/Index/videos.html
>>
>>http://waves.com/
>>
>>Thanks again!
>>
>>James
>
>Ok, time to clear out the gear shelves 'round here.
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtoasterdonQQhtZ-1
I really don't want to sell the cool old National Radio tube
mixer/amp, but it has just sat on the shelf for years now, and
someone may as well make some music with it.
DCBecause they are resource pigs.
AA
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:435acd3b$1@linux...
> Why didn't you use the Matrox drivers?
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message news:435acad4$1@linux...
>>
>> Since I didn't use the Matrox CD to install their drivers (I just used
>> the
>> drivers provided by WindowsXP), I also don't have Matrox's Utility
>> Application
>> installed. If I remember correctly, I couldn't see an option to install
>> just
>> the utility app without installing the drivers as well. Any way of doing
>> this from inside Windows? Or can I somehow install the Matrox Utility app
>> (without also installing their drivers), and use that to assign the
>> cloning?
>>
>> Luiz
>>
>>
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Deej and Luiz,
>>>I think the matrox drivers allowed that setting?
>>>One card will display to monitor A and duplicate it.
>>>The other card will display to monitor B and duplicate it.
>>>Whacky but it should work.
>>>Tom
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
>>>news:435aafc7@linux...
>>> You are, of course, spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I =
>>>think that
>>> it would be even more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x
>>> screens.........but in the absence of this necessity, isn't there a =
>>>function
>>> to to somehow do what he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this =
>>>somewhere
>>> during one of my odyssies.........but I forget where it was.
>>>
>>> Getting old is a bitch........;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>> news:435aa3f2$1@linux...
>>> > Get two active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull =
>>>out the
>>> > PCI card entirely.
>>> >
>>> > AA
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message =
>>>news:435aa002$1@linux...
>>> > >
>>> > > Hi again guys,
>>> > >
>>> > > I solved the problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work
>> =
>>>(AGP &
>>> > > PCI). Thanks Deej!
>>> > > Well, now I would like to know how to clone the images of monitors
>> =
>>>1 & 2
>>> > > on monitors 3 & 4. I know this can be done using the Matrox =
>>>drivers and
>>> > > utilities
>>> > > software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with =
>>>their
>>> > > drivers,
>>> > > I was wondering if anybody knew how to do it with the windows =
>>>drivers -
>>> or
>>> > > if it's possible.
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks for the help.
>>> > >
>>> > > Luiz
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>></HEAD>
>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej and Luiz,</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think the matrox drivers allowed that
>> =
>>>
>>>setting?</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One card will display =
>>>to monitor A and=20
>>>duplicate it.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The other card will display to monitor
>> =
>>>B and=20
>>>duplicate it.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Whacky but it should work.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>> <DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole=
>>>_@animas.net</A>>=20
>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>> href=3D"news:435aafc7@linux">news:435aafc7@linux</A>...</DIV>You are,
>> =
>>>of course,=20
>>> spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I think that<BR>it would =
>>>be even=20
>>> more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x<BR>screens.........but
>> =
>>>in the=20
>>> absence of this necessity, isn't there a function<BR>to to somehow do
>> =
>>>what=20
>>> he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this somewhere<BR>during one of
>> =
>>>my=20
>>> odyssies.........but I forget where it was.<BR><BR>Getting old is a=20
>>> bitch........;o)<BR><BR><BR><BR>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
>>>wrote in=20
>>> message<BR><A=20
>>> href=3D"news:435aa3f2$1@linux">news:435aa3f2$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>>>Get two=20
>>> active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull out =
>>>the<BR>> PCI=20
>>> card entirely.<BR>><BR>> AA<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Luiz" =
>>><<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:orspamno@gmail.com">orspamno@gmail.com</A>> wrote in =
>>>message=20
>>> <A href=3D"news:435aa002$1@linux">news:435aa002$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>>>
>>> ><BR>> > Hi again guys,<BR>> ><BR>> > I solved =
>>>the=20
>>> problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work (AGP =
>>>&<BR>> >=20
>>> PCI). Thanks Deej!<BR>> > Well, now I would like to know how to =
>>>clone=20
>>> the images of monitors 1 & 2<BR>> > on monitors 3 & 4. I =
>>>know=20
>>> this can be done using the Matrox drivers and<BR>> > =
>>>utilities<BR>>=20
>>> > software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with=20
>>> their<BR>> > drivers,<BR>> > I was wondering if anybody =
>>>knew how=20
>>> to do it with the windows drivers -<BR>or<BR>> > if it's=20
>>> possible.<BR>> ><BR>> > Thanks for the help.<BR>> =
>>>><BR>>=20
>>> > Luiz<BR>> =
>>>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>The Matrox driver that is provided with Win XP is inherently more stable
than the one provided with the CD. Not sure whether this is because it's a
divverent version of the driver or becasue it excludes the Matrox Power Desk
application. I have found the Power Desk to be problematic at times but in
Luiz's situation , it might be necessary to achieve what he wants to do.
It's always possible to disable Power Desk after the settings are
made.....but then you've got perhaps a different driver onboard. I think it
still might be possible to load Power Desk and still keep the driver he has
by going ahead and installing the Matrox software from the CC. When the
window comes up saying that the existing driver is newer/older than the one
being installed and asks if the user wants to keep the existing one or load
the new one, just keep the existing one. This could either solve the problem
or the computer might explode.
;o)
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:435acd3b$1@linux...
> Why didn't you use the Matrox drivers?
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message news:435acad4$1@linux...
> >
> > Since I didn't use the Matrox CD to install their drivers (I just used
the
> > drivers provided by WindowsXP), I also don't have Matrox's Utility
> > Application
> > installed. If I remember correctly, I couldn't see an option to install
> > just
> > the utility app without installing the drivers as well. Any way of doing
> > this from inside Windows? Or can I somehow install the Matrox Utility
app
> > (without also installing their drivers), and use that to assign the
> > cloning?
> >
> > Luiz
> >
> >
> > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>Deej and Luiz,
> >>I think the matrox drivers allowed that setting?
> >>One card will display to monitor A and duplicate it.
> >>The other card will display to monitor B and duplicate it.
> >>Whacky but it should work.
> >>Tom
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
> >>news:435aafc7@linux...
> >> You are, of course, spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I =
> >>think that
> >> it would be even more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x
> >> screens.........but in the absence of this necessity, isn't there a =
> >>function
> >> to to somehow do what he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this =
> >>somewhere
> >> during one of my odyssies.........but I forget where it was.
> >>
> >> Getting old is a bitch........;o)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> >> news:435aa3f2$1@linux...
> >> > Get two active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull =
> >>out the
> >> > PCI card entirely.
> >> >
> >> > AA
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message =
> >>news:435aa002$1@linux...
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi again guys,
> >> > >
> >> > > I solved the problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work
> > =
> >>(AGP &
> >> > > PCI). Thanks Deej!
> >> > > Well, now I would like to know how to clone the images of monitors
> > =
> >>1 & 2
> >> > > on monitors 3 & 4. I know this can be done using the Matrox =
> >>drivers and
> >> > > utilities
> >> > > software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with =
> >>their
> >> > > drivers,
> >> > > I was wondering if anybody knew how to do it with the windows =
> >>drivers -
> >> or
> >> > > if it's possible.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks for the help.
> >> > >
> >> > > Luiz
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> >><HTML><HEAD>
> >><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> >>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> >><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
> >><STYLE></STYLE>
> >></HEAD>
> >><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej and Luiz,</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think the matrox drivers allowed that
> > =
> >>
> >>setting?</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One card will display =
> >>to monitor A and=20
> >>duplicate it.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The other card will display to monitor
> > =
> >>B and=20
> >>duplicate it.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Whacky but it should work.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >><BLOCKQUOTE=20
> >>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
> >>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> >> <DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
> >> =
>
>>href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole=
> >>_@animas.net</A>>=20
> >> wrote in message <A=20
> >> href=3D"news:435aafc7@linux">news:435aafc7@linux</A>...</DIV>You are,
> > =
> >>of course,=20
> >> spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I think that<BR>it would =
> >>be even=20
> >> more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x<BR>screens.........but
> > =
> >>in the=20
> >> absence of this necessity, isn't there a function<BR>to to somehow do
> > =
> >>what=20
> >> he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this somewhere<BR>during one of
> > =
> >>my=20
> >> odyssies.........but I forget where it was.<BR><BR>Getting old is a=20
> >> bitch........;o)<BR><BR><BR><BR>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
> >> href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
> >>wrote in=20
> >> message<BR><A=20
> >> href=3D"news:435aa3f2$1@linux">news:435aa3f2$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
> >>Get two=20
> >> active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull out =
> >>the<BR>> PCI=20
> >> card entirely.<BR>><BR>> AA<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Luiz" =
> >><<A=20
> >> href=3D"mailto:orspamno@gmail.com">orspamno@gmail.com</A>> wrote in =
> >>message=20
> >> <A href=3D"news:435aa002$1@linux">news:435aa002$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
> >>
> >> ><BR>> > Hi again guys,<BR>> ><BR>> > I solved =
> >>the=20
> >> problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work (AGP =
> >>&<BR>> >=20
> >> PCI). Thanks Deej!<BR>> > Well, now I would like to know how to =
> >>clone=20
> >> the images of monitors 1 & 2<BR>> > on monitors 3 & 4. I =
> >>know=20
> >> this can be done using the Matrox drivers and<BR>> > =
> >>utilities<BR>>=20
> >> > software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with=20
> >> their<BR>> > drivers,<BR>> > I was wondering if anybody =
> >>knew how=20
> >> to do it with the windows drivers -<BR>or<BR>> > if it's=20
> >> possible.<BR>> ><BR>> > Thanks for the help.<BR>> =
> >>><BR>>=20
> >> > Luiz<BR>> =
> >>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>I didn't use the Matrox drivers because of a recommendation against it from
some very knowledgeable guys here. As I understand it, the Matrox drivers
are said to be unstable, or at least not as stable as the ones inside Windows.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Luiz
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>Why didn't you use the Matrox drivers?
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
>"Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message news:435acad4$1@linux...
>>
>> Since I didn't use the Matrox CD to install their drivers (I just used
the
>> drivers provided by WindowsXP), I also don't have Matrox's Utility
>> Application
>> installed. If I remember correctly, I couldn't see an option to install
>> just
>> the utility app without installing the drivers as well. Any way of doing
>> this from inside Windows? Or can I somehow install the Matrox Utility
app
>> (without also installing their drivers), and use that to assign the
>> cloning?
>>
>> Luiz
>>
>>
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Deej and Luiz,
>>>I think the matrox drivers allowed that setting?
>>>One card will display to monitor A and duplicate it.
>>>The other card will display to monitor B and duplicate it.
>>>Whacky but it should work.
>>>Tom
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
>>>news:435aafc7@linux...
>>> You are, of course, spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I =
>>>think that
>>> it would be even more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x
>>> screens.........but in the absence of this necessity, isn't there a
=
>>>function
>>> to to somehow do what he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this =
>>>somewhere
>>> during one of my odyssies.........but I forget where it was.
>>>
>>> Getting old is a bitch........;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>> news:435aa3f2$1@linux...
>>> > Get two active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull
=
>>>out the
>>> > PCI card entirely.
>>> >
>>> > AA
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message =
>>>news:435aa002$1@linux...
>>> > >
>>> > > Hi again guys,
>>> > >
>>> > > I solved the problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work
>> =
>>>(AGP &
>>> > > PCI). Thanks Deej!
>>> > > Well, now I would like to know how to clone the images of monitors
>> =
>>>1 & 2
>>> > > on monitors 3 & 4. I know this can be done using the Matrox =
>>>drivers and
>>> > > utilities
>>> > > software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with
=
>>>their
>>> > > drivers,
>>> > > I was wondering if anybody knew how to do it with the windows =
>>>drivers -
>>> or
>>> > > if it's possible.
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks for the help.
>>> > >
>>> > > Luiz
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>></HEAD>
>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej and Luiz,</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think the matrox drivers allowed that
>> =
>>>
>>>setting?</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One card will display =
>>>to monitor A and=20
>>>duplicate it.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The other card will display to monitor
>> =
>>>B and=20
>>>duplicate it.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Whacky but it should work.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>> <DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole=
>>>_@animas.net</A>>=20
>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>> href=3D"news:435aafc7@linux">news:435aafc7@linux</A>...</DIV>You are,
>> =
>>>of course,=20
>>> spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I think that<BR>it would
=
>>>be even=20
>>> more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x<BR>screens.........but
>> =
>>>in the=20
>>> absence of this necessity, isn't there a function<BR>to to somehow do
>> =
>>>what=20
>>> he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this somewhere<BR>during one of
>> =
>>>my=20
>>> odyssies.........but I forget where it was.<BR><BR>Getting old is a=20
>>> bitch........;o)<BR><BR><BR><BR>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
>>>wrote in=20
>>> message<BR><A=20
>>> href=3D"news:435aa3f2$1@linux">news:435aa3f2$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>>>Get two=20
>>> active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull out =
>>>the<BR>> PCI=20
>>> card entirely.<BR>><BR>> AA<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Luiz" =
>>><<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:orspamno@gmail.com">orspamno@gmail.com</A>> wrote in
=
>>>message=20
>>> <A href=3D"news:435aa002$1@linux">news:435aa002$1@linux</A>...<BR>>
=
>>>
>>> ><BR>> > Hi again guys,<BR>> ><BR>> > I solved =
>>>the=20
>>> problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work (AGP =
>>>&<BR>> >=20
>>> PCI). Thanks Deej!<BR>> > Well, now I would like to know how to =
>>>clone=20
>>> the images of monitors 1 & 2<BR>> > on monitors 3 & 4. I =
>>>know=20
>>> this can be done using the Matrox drivers and<BR>> > =
>>>utilities<BR>>=20
>>> > software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with=20
>>> their<BR>> > drivers,<BR>> > I was wondering if anybody =
>>>knew how=20
>>> to do it with the windows drivers -<BR>or<BR>> > if it's=20
>>> possible.<BR>> ><BR>> > Thanks for the help.<BR>> =
>>>><BR>>=20
>>> > Luiz<BR>> =
>>>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>I think you are wise to stay away from these drivers and use the ones in XP.
That's what I did when I was running Paris on XP and was very stable. I'm
using Win ME on my Paris rig these days and have the most recent drivers
from Matrox's website. When I have the occasional crash, I can usually trace
it to my failure to turn off Power Desk in the system tray and it's not
quite as stable on ME using the DL'ed Matrox drivers than it was on XP using
the generic Matrox drivers provided in the XP System32/drivers directory.
Deej
"Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message news:435ad043$1@linux...
>
> I didn't use the Matrox drivers because of a recommendation against it
from
> some very knowledgeable guys here. As I understand it, the Matrox drivers
> are said to be unstable, or at least not as stable as the ones inside
Windows.
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Luiz
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >Why didn't you use the Matrox drivers?
> >--
> >Martin Harrington
> >www.lendanear-sound.com
> >
> >"Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message news:435acad4$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Since I didn't use the Matrox CD to install their drivers (I just used
> the
> >> drivers provided by WindowsXP), I also don't have Matrox's Utility
> >> Application
> >> installed. If I remember correctly, I couldn't see an option to install
>
> >> just
> >> the utility app without installing the drivers as well. Any way of
doing
> >> this from inside Windows? Or can I somehow install the Matrox Utility
> app
> >> (without also installing their drivers), and use that to assign the
> >> cloning?
> >>
> >> Luiz
> >>
> >>
> >> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Deej and Luiz,
> >>>I think the matrox drivers allowed that setting?
> >>>One card will display to monitor A and duplicate it.
> >>>The other card will display to monitor B and duplicate it.
> >>>Whacky but it should work.
> >>>Tom
> >>>
> >>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
> >>>news:435aafc7@linux...
> >>> You are, of course, spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I =
> >>>think that
> >>> it would be even more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x
> >>> screens.........but in the absence of this necessity, isn't there a
> =
> >>>function
> >>> to to somehow do what he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this =
> >>>somewhere
> >>> during one of my odyssies.........but I forget where it was.
> >>>
> >>> Getting old is a bitch........;o)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> >>> news:435aa3f2$1@linux...
> >>> > Get two active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull
> =
> >>>out the
> >>> > PCI card entirely.
> >>> >
> >>> > AA
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > "Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message =
> >>>news:435aa002$1@linux...
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Hi again guys,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I solved the problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work
> >> =
> >>>(AGP &
> >>> > > PCI). Thanks Deej!
> >>> > > Well, now I would like to know how to clone the images of
monitors
> >> =
> >>>1 & 2
> >>> > > on monitors 3 & 4. I know this can be done using the Matrox =
> >>>drivers and
> >>> > > utilities
> >>> > > software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with
> =
> >>>their
> >>> > > drivers,
> >>> > > I was wondering if anybody knew how to do it with the windows =
> >>>drivers -
> >>> or
> >>> > > if it's possible.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Thanks for the help.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Luiz
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> >>><HTML><HEAD>
> >>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> >>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> >>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
> >>><STYLE></STYLE>
> >>></HEAD>
> >>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> >>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej and Luiz,</FONT></DIV>
> >>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think the matrox drivers allowed
that
> >> =
> >>>
> >>>setting?</FONT></DIV>
> >>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One card will display =
> >>>to monitor A and=20
> >>>duplicate it.</FONT></DIV>
> >>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The other card will display to monitor
> >> =
> >>>B and=20
> >>>duplicate it.</FONT></DIV>
> >>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Whacky but it should
work.</FONT></DIV>
> >>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> >>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
> >>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
> >>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> >>> <DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
> >>> =
>
>>>href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole
=
> >>>_@animas.net</A>>=20
> >>> wrote in message <A=20
> >>> href=3D"news:435aafc7@linux">news:435aafc7@linux</A>...</DIV>You are,
> >> =
> >>>of course,=20
> >>> spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I think that<BR>it would
> =
> >>>be even=20
> >>> more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x<BR>screens.........but
> >> =
> >>>in the=20
> >>> absence of this necessity, isn't there a function<BR>to to somehow do
> >> =
> >>>what=20
> >>> he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this somewhere<BR>during one of
> >> =
> >>>my=20
> >>> odyssies.........but I forget where it was.<BR><BR>Getting old is
a=20
> >>> bitch........;o)<BR><BR><BR><BR>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
> >>> href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
> >>>wrote in=20
> >>> message<BR><A=20
> >>> href=3D"news:435aa3f2$1@linux">news:435aa3f2$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
> >>>Get two=20
> >>> active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull out =
> >>>the<BR>> PCI=20
> >>> card entirely.<BR>><BR>> AA<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Luiz" =
> >>><<A=20
> >>> href=3D"mailto:orspamno@gmail.com">orspamno@gmail.com</A>> wrote in
> =
> >>>message=20
> >>> <A href=3D"news:435aa002$1@linux">news:435aa002$1@linux</A>...<BR>>
> =
> >>>
> >>> ><BR>> > Hi again guys,<BR>> ><BR>> > I solved =
> >>>the=20
> >>> problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work (AGP =
> >>>&<BR>> >=20
> >>> PCI). Thanks Deej!<BR>> > Well, now I would like to know how to =
> >>>clone=20
> >>> the images of monitors 1 & 2<BR>> > on monitors 3 & 4. I =
> >>>know=20
> >>> this can be done using the Matrox drivers and<BR>> > =
> >>>utilities<BR>>=20
> >>> > software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with=20
> >>> their<BR>> > drivers,<BR>> > I was wondering if anybody =
> >>>knew how=20
> >>> to do it with the windows drivers -<BR>or<BR>> > if it's=20
> >>> possible.<BR>> ><BR>> > Thanks for the help.<BR>> =
> >>>><BR>>=20
> >>> > Luiz<BR>> =
> >>>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>Just say "Pick a mic, any mic"
dcn
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:435ab5b3@linux...
> I'm gett6ing set up for a guitar overdub session tomorrow. The guitarist
> is
> a major, nationally recognized picker. I haven't really been given the
> green
> light to name names right now. The tracks will be included in a mix of a
> project that I've been working on here.
>
> Anyway, I'm going to be doing a quick test of a number of mics for this
> session. Since the room sounds good and I'm not worried about overbleed,
> I'm
> considering X/Y pairs of SDC's and also mono tracking of the guitar using
> LDC's. I'm pretty stoked by thewse SE mics I've been trying out and I'm
> including them in the audition.
>
> Here are the mics and preamps:
> 1. Stephen Paul U87-(Sytek)
> 2. AT 4050 (Sytek)
> 3. SE Titan (Sytek)
> 4. SE Titan-different voicing from standard issue (Sytek)
> 5. Mojave cardioid built by Mike Claytor (Great River MP2-MH)
> 6. SE Gemini (Great River MP2-MH)
> 7. Neumann KM184's in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
> 8. AKG C460B-Ck-61's in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
> 9. SE 3 in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
>
> These preamps are all somewhat similar, being clean/straight wire with
> gain
> kinda pre's and they were selected for reasons if consistency and
> expediency
> in getting this test done within the remaining time I have available in
> 2005.
>
> If it's OK with eve3ryone involved, I'll make some sound clips available.
>
> Deej
>
>
>
>
>
>That's interesting, because I've been using the 450 drivers for about 4
years now, and have had no stability problems, although my system is
generally pretty stable anyhow, (dual monitor setup).
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message news:435ad043$1@linux...
>
> I didn't use the Matrox drivers because of a recommendation against it
> from
> some very knowledgeable guys here. As I understand it, the Matrox drivers
> are said to be unstable, or at least not as stable as the ones inside
> Windows.
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Luiz
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>Why didn't you use the Matrox drivers?
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>"Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message news:435acad4$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Since I didn't use the Matrox CD to install their drivers (I just used
> the
>>> drivers provided by WindowsXP), I also don't have Matrox's Utility
>>> Application
>>> installed. If I remember correctly, I couldn't see an option to install
>
>>> just
>>> the utility app without installing the drivers as well. Any way of doing
>>> this from inside Windows? Or can I somehow install the Matrox Utility
> app
>>> (without also installing their drivers), and use that to assign the
>>> cloning?
>>>
>>> Luiz
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Deej and Luiz,
>>>>I think the matrox drivers allowed that setting?
>>>>One card will display to monitor A and duplicate it.
>>>>The other card will display to monitor B and duplicate it.
>>>>Whacky but it should work.
>>>>Tom
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
>>>>news:435aafc7@linux...
>>>> You are, of course, spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I =
>>>>think that
>>>> it would be even more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x
>>>> screens.........but in the absence of this necessity, isn't there a
> =
>>>>function
>>>> to to somehow do what he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this =
>>>>somewhere
>>>> during one of my odyssies.........but I forget where it was.
>>>>
>>>> Getting old is a bitch........;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>>> news:435aa3f2$1@linux...
>>>> > Get two active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull
> =
>>>>out the
>>>> > PCI card entirely.
>>>> >
>>>> > AA
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > "Luiz" <orspamno@gmail.com> wrote in message =
>>>>news:435aa002$1@linux...
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Hi again guys,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I solved the problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work
>>> =
>>>>(AGP &
>>>> > > PCI). Thanks Deej!
>>>> > > Well, now I would like to know how to clone the images of monitors
>>> =
>>>>1 & 2
>>>> > > on monitors 3 & 4. I know this can be done using the Matrox =
>>>>drivers and
>>>> > > utilities
>>>> > > software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with
> =
>>>>their
>>>> > > drivers,
>>>> > > I was wondering if anybody knew how to do it with the windows =
>>>>drivers -
>>>> or
>>>> > > if it's possible.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Thanks for the help.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Luiz
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>></HEAD>
>>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej and Luiz,</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think the matrox drivers allowed that
>>> =
>>>>
>>>>setting?</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One card will display =
>>>>to monitor A and=20
>>>>duplicate it.</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The other card will display to monitor
>>> =
>>>>B and=20
>>>>duplicate it.</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Whacky but it should work.</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>> <DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole=
>>>>_@animas.net</A>>=20
>>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>>> href=3D"news:435aafc7@linux">news:435aafc7@linux</A>...</DIV>You are,
>>> =
>>>>of course,=20
>>>> spoiling the simplicity of all of this ;o). I think that<BR>it would
> =
>>>>be even=20
>>>> more fun to actually get the same image on 4 x<BR>screens.........but
>>> =
>>>>in the=20
>>>> absence of this necessity, isn't there a function<BR>to to somehow do
>>> =
>>>>what=20
>>>> he's asking? I could have sworn I saw this somewhere<BR>during one of
>>> =
>>>>my=20
>>>> odyssies.........but I forget where it was.<BR><BR>Getting old is a=20
>>>> bitch........;o)<BR><BR><BR><BR>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
>>>>wrote in=20
>>>> message<BR><A=20
>>>> href=3D"news:435aa3f2$1@linux">news:435aa3f2$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>>>>Get two=20
>>>> active video splitters if all you want is cloning and pull out =
>>>>the<BR>> PCI=20
>>>> card entirely.<BR>><BR>> AA<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Luiz" =
>>>><<A=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:orspamno@gmail.com">orspamno@gmail.com</A>> wrote in
> =
>>>>message=20
>>>> <A href=3D"news:435aa002$1@linux">news:435aa002$1@linux</A>...<BR>>
> =
>>>>
>>>> ><BR>> > Hi again guys,<BR>> ><BR>> > I solved =
>>>>the=20
>>>> problem of getting the two Matrox G450 cards to work (AGP =
>>>>&<BR>> >=20
>>>> PCI). Thanks Deej!<BR>> > Well, now I would like to know how to =
>>>>clone=20
>>>> the images of monitors 1 & 2<BR>> > on monitors 3 & 4. I =
>>>>know=20
>>>> this can be done using the Matrox drivers and<BR>> > =
>>>>utilities<BR>>=20
>>>> > software, but since I'm not using that due to the problems with=20
>>>> their<BR>> > drivers,<BR>> > I was wondering if anybody =
>>>>knew how=20
>>>> to do it with the windows drivers -<BR>or<BR>> > if it's=20
>>>> possible.<BR>> ><BR>> > Thanks for the help.<BR>> =
>>>>><BR>>=20
>>>> > Luiz<BR>> =
>>>>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>I have a pair of the 451 EBs with the CK1 head and they work nicely for O/Hs
and ac gtrs, some hand perc, etc.
Bill L
"Rob Arsenault" <info@studiomanitou.com> wrote in message
news:435863a9@linux...
> Thinking of picking up a couple of these for overheads, ACC guitars /
> dobro / mandolin...etc
>
> Thanks
> Rob_A
>While you're at it, give an X/Y pair of LDC's in Figure 8 a
go... about 18-24" off the 12th fret.
David.
DJ wrote:
> I'm gett6ing set up for a guitar overdub session tomorrow. The guitarist is
> a major, nationally recognized picker. I haven't really been given the green
> light to name names right now. The tracks will be included in a mix of a
> project that I've been working on here.
>
> Anyway, I'm going to be doing a quick test of a number of mics for this
> session. Since the room sounds good and I'm not worried about overbleed, I'm
> considering X/Y pairs of SDC's and also mono tracking of the guitar using
> LDC's. I'm pretty stoked by thewse SE mics I've been trying out and I'm
> including them in the audition.
>
> Here are the mics and preamps:
> 1. Stephen Paul U87-(Sytek)
> 2. AT 4050 (Sytek)
> 3. SE Titan (Sytek)
> 4. SE Titan-different voicing from standard issue (Sytek)
> 5. Mojave cardioid built by Mike Claytor (Great River MP2-MH)
> 6. SE Gemini (Great River MP2-MH)
> 7. Neumann KM184's in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
> 8. AKG C460B-Ck-61's in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
> 9. SE 3 in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
>
> These preamps are all somewhat similar, being clean/straight wire with gain
> kinda pre's and they were selected for reasons if consistency and expediency
> in getting this test done within the remaining time I have available in
> 2005.
>
> If it's OK with eve3ryone involved, I'll make some sound clips available.
>
> Deej
>
>
>
>
>
>I was thinking about doing that too. The only matched pairs of LDC's I have
here are Studio Projects C-1's and AT 4050's. I've also got a pair of
Mojaves, but due to a couple of factors, they sound a little bit different
from each other.....though they are colose enough for critical work. I've
never really been a stickler for matched pairs anyway. If one mic sounds
good on the 12'th and another sounds good somewhere on the box, then it's
all good so this may very well happen.
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:435b29f7@linux...
> While you're at it, give an X/Y pair of LDC's in Figure 8 a
> go... about 18-24" off the 12th fret.
>
> David.
>
> DJ wrote:
> > I'm gett6ing set up for a guitar overdub session tomorrow. The guitarist
is
> > a major, nationally recognized picker. I haven't really been given the
green
> > light to name names right now. The tracks will be included in a mix of a
> > project that I've been working on here.
> >
> > Anyway, I'm going to be doing a quick test of a number of mics for this
> > session. Since the room sounds good and I'm not worried about overbleed,
I'm
> > considering X/Y pairs of SDC's and also mono tracking of the guitar
using
> > LDC's. I'm pretty stoked by thewse SE mics I've been trying out and I'm
> > including them in the audition.
> >
> > Here are the mics and preamps:
> > 1. Stephen Paul U87-(Sytek)
> > 2. AT 4050 (Sytek)
> > 3. SE Titan (Sytek)
> > 4. SE Titan-different voicing from standard issue (Sytek)
> > 5. Mojave cardioid built by Mike Claytor (Great River MP2-MH)
> > 6. SE Gemini (Great River MP2-MH)
> > 7. Neumann KM184's in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
> > 8. AKG C460B-Ck-61's in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
> > 9. SE 3 in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
> >
> > These preamps are all somewhat similar, being clean/straight wire with
gain
> > kinda pre's and they were selected for reasons if consistency and
expediency
> > in getting this test done within the remaining time I have available in
> > 2005.
> >
> > If it's OK with eve3ryone involved, I'll make some sound clips
available.
> >
> > Deej
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Dimitros,
You said there was a particular version of Wormhole for Paris users.
Is that the latest one on their website or something different?
My goal is to have MIDI softsynths from Cubase playing back in
Paris over LAN realtime or at least less than 10 ms latency. Will this=20
happen without me even buying an audio card using Wormhole?
Tom
"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message =
news:435a45ac@linux...
Hi Dimitrios,
I'd like to experiment with wormhole. I emailed their website the =
other=20
day to see if Paris was supported but they haven't got back to me yet.
jefj
Dimitrios wrote:
>Hello to everyone.
>You all know here my humble efforts to push Paris a little bit to the =
future...
>What is though lacking is the kind of support from most of us here...
>An example to what I mean is wormhole.
>This kind guy -author- of wormhole has made too many efforts to make =
wormhole
>work better with Paris.
>But...things have stopeed somehow because noone except from me and =
Genne
>Lennon I guess , has bought wormhole.
>I explained to wormhole author that he will find a great willingness =
of support
>in his efforts but I was wrong...
>How can we all expect Paris to grow along when we do not support =
those efforts
>?
>Even if you would not need for now wormhole this would open doors to =
newer
>appz-plugins that could make Paris a better DAW.
>How can I ask this guy to try to make an app specific for Paris like =
an automated
>delay compensation (if that will be possible ,who knows) or something =
other
>if we here do not support these guys.
>This damn wormhole is so cheap compared to what we all paid ( and =
some of
>you much more) to have our Paris system .
>Only if I see "named" responses that will confirm bying wormhole and =
we must
>gather quite a few here then only I will get in touch again and =
somehow "demand"
>Paris support with wormhole and other things.
>I am considering rebuying wormhole to add me first on that list...
>So please show in this forum that we wanna keep Paris alive spending =
some
>extra little money ( afew Pizzas less for a coupl e of weekends) =
starting
>with wormhole...
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>ps: If someone else too has already bought Paris ,my humble apologies =
to
>him, but I will need his name to add it on the list I will send to =
wormhole
>author
> =20
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitros,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You said there was a particular version =
of Wormhole=20
for Paris users.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Is that the latest one on their website =
or=20
something different?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My goal is to have MIDI softsynths from =
Cubase=20
playing back in</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paris over LAN realtime or at least =
less than 10 ms=20
latency. Will this </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>happen without me even buying an =
</FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>audio card using Wormhole?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"jef knight" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com">thestudio@allknightmusic.com=
</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:435a45ac@linux">news:435a45ac@linux</A>...</DIV>Hi=20
Dimitrios,<BR><BR>I'd like to experiment with wormhole. I emailed =
their=20
website the other <BR>day to see if Paris was supported but they =
haven't got=20
back to me yet.<BR><BR>jefj<BR><BR>Dimitrios wrote:<BR><BR>>Hello =
to=20
everyone.<BR>>You all know here my humble efforts to push Paris a =
little=20
bit to the future...<BR>>What is though lacking is the kind of =
support from=20
most of us here...<BR>>An example to what I mean is =
wormhole.<BR>>This=20
kind guy -author- of wormhole has made too many efforts to make=20
wormhole<BR>>work better with Paris.<BR>>But...things have =
stopeed=20
somehow because noone except from me and Genne<BR>>Lennon I guess , =
has=20
bought wormhole.<BR>>I explained to wormhole author that he will =
find a=20
great willingness of support<BR>>in his efforts but I was=20
wrong...<BR>>How can we all expect Paris to grow along when we do =
not=20
support those efforts<BR>>?<BR>>Even if you would not need for =
now=20
wormhole this would open doors to newer<BR>>appz-plugins that could =
make=20
Paris a better DAW.<BR>>How can I ask this guy to try to make an =
app=20
specific for Paris like an automated<BR>>delay compensation (if =
that will=20
be possible ,who knows) or something other<BR>>if we here do not =
support=20
these guys.<BR>>This damn wormhole is so cheap compared to what we =
all paid=20
( and some of<BR>>you much more) to have our Paris system =
..<BR>>Only if=20
I see "named" responses that will confirm bying wormhole and we=20
must<BR>>gather quite a few here then only I will get in touch =
again and=20
somehow "demand"<BR>>Paris support with wormhole and other =
things.<BR>>I=20
am considering rebuying wormhole to add me first on that =
list...<BR>>So=20
please show in this forum that we wanna keep Paris alive spending=20
some<BR>>extra little money ( afew Pizzas less for a coupl e of =
weekends)=20
starting<BR>>with=20
wormhole...<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR >><BR>>ps: If =
someone=20
else too has already bought Paris ,my humble apologies to<BR>>him, =
but I=20
will need his name to add it on the list I will send to=20
wormhole<BR>>author<BR>> =
<BR>></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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DJ wrote:
> I'm gett6ing set up for a guitar overdub session tomorrow. The guitarist is
> a major, nationally recognized picker. I haven't really been given the green
> light to name names right now. The tracks will be included in a mix of a
> project that I've been working on here.
>
> Anyway, I'm going to be doing a quick test of a number of mics for this
> session. Since the room sounds good and I'm not worried about overbleed, I'm
> considering X/Y pairs of SDC's and also mono tracking of the guitar using
> LDC's. I'm pretty stoked by thewse SE mics I've been trying out and I'm
> including them in the audition.
>
> Here are the mics and preamps:
> 1. Stephen Paul U87-(Sytek)
> 2. AT 4050 (Sytek)
> 3. SE Titan (Sytek)
> 4. SE Titan-different voicing from standard issue (Sytek)
> 5. Mojave cardioid built by Mike Claytor (Great River MP2-MH)
> 6. SE Gemini (Great River MP2-MH)
> 7. Neumann KM184's in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
> 8. AKG C460B-Ck-61's in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
> 9. SE 3 in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
>
> These preamps are all somewhat similar, being clean/straight wire with gain
> kinda pre's and they were selected for reasons if consistency and expediency
> in getting this test done within the remaining time I have available in
> 2005.
>
> If it's OK with eve3ryone involved, I'll make some sound clips available.
>
> Deej
>
>
>
>
>
>J, I have a pal that may be interested in that amp.
Drop me an email about specifics.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>I did not like the original POD. I do like some of the models in the
>PODXTLive. I have not like the low end Digitech boxes. I do like some of
>the models in the RP2000 and GNX4.
>
>I did not care for the original Amplitube. I do like some of the models
>in Logic's Guitar Amp Pro and would probably like some of the models in
>the latest rev of Amplitube, the Line 6 plugin, etc.
>
>The modelers are definitely getting better and they absolutely are
>useful tone machines. Beyond that they bring significant advantages
>logistically, including repeatability, instant recordability (once
>you've found and saved the patches you want) and "reampability." All
>together that can mean more playing time, more recording time and more
>flexibility in the mix.
>
>So if what you're actually looking for is great sounding tracks, you can
>get that with the latest modelers (assuming a good guitarist),
>especially if you can learn the box and get beyond the factory patches.
>Learn the box and get beyond the factory patches. Did I mention "learn
>the box and get beyond the factory patches?" In most cases factory
>patches suck because they layer on too many effects and drive the models
>too hard. They also may be tuned for guitar amps instead of direct and
>you'll likely be using them direct. So spend some time learning the gear
>to see what it can really do.
>
>OTOH if what you're looking for is a specific amp/guitar/mic
>combination, then you may need spring for that amp, that guitar and that
>mic.
>
>I don't know about the JStation. But learn the box and program your own
>patches, or work with another guitarist who knows what to look for, and
>you'll likely get closer than if you stick with what they give you by
>default.
>
>BTW, if you want a tube amp I have a hotrodded blackface Fender Bassman
>50 up for grabs. It's been modified to do Fender and Marshall style
>tones, and channel one drives into channel 2 with footswitch selection
>between clean and tube overdrive. Sweet little guitar amp. I hardly use
>it any more, it's for sale.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>cujo wrote:
>> Oh, I'll bet whatever route you take, you'll fool 95% of the people!
>>
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>You guys rock! Thanks for all your recommendations. Some day I will
get
>>>a good Guitar pre, and tube amp. Right now I think I need to go with
a
>>
>> processor
>>
>>>box. The reality is I'm a drummer not a guitar player, a $60K rig won't
>>>fix my deficiencies. As the guy said in the movie Crossroads, "you play
>>>like bird shit", that's me. I really am at a amateur night, demo kind
of
>>>a level, so quality equipment may not be able to save me.
>>>
>>>I was hoping that if I put the time in to cutting tracks myself, that
most
>>>would be of high enough quality sound wise that they would be keepers.
>>
>> I
>>
>>>was trying to avoid the buying, trying selling thing. I guess I was hoping
>>>for a magic bullet box that would give me versatility, and authentic amped
>>>sound, enough to fool 95 % of the people. The promise of these boxes,
is
>>>that you can replace a room full of amps. Samples have really replaced
>>
>> many
>>
>>>instruments, but I guess the modelers have not replaced the tube Amp,
and
>>>will never be able to replace a great player.
>>>
>>>I will have to experiment. I've recorded many guitar tracks over the
years,
>>>I've never like the digital modeling boxes I've used in the past. I already
>>>knew that there is nothing like the real thing, but I was hoping the newer
>>>stuff was a lot better, at least passable.
>>>
>>>I think I have to stay in the song writing, demoing mode for now, and
if
>>>something is a keeper cool. If I'm in the ballpark sound wise, I guess
>>
>> that
>>
>>>will have to do.
>>>
>>>I'm thinking I will start with The J-Station, it's around $100.00-150.00
>>>and a lot of people like it. I recorded a Johnson Millennium AMP in the
>>>past and it rocked, so I hope the J-station kind of gets me there for
the
>>>hard stuff. Although some of the J-Station samples sound like an amp
recorded
>>>down the hall in another room with a wet blanket over it. I think it's
>>
>> going
>>
>>>to be hard to get, defined, in your face guitar tracks out of this box,
>>
>> or
>>
>>>any other for that matter. The Adrenalinn II and the Waves/PRS GTR are
>>
>> on
>>
>>>the check out list.
>>>
>>>
>>>If you guitar guy are not hip to the Waves PSR GTR, you might want to
check
>>>it out. It looks cool, vary flexible with the patching and automation
of
>>>effects. If it is as good as some of the Wave plugins, it will be a useful
>>>tool. Here are some links:
>>>
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM05/Content/Waves/PR/GTR .html
>>>
>>>Summer NAMM show video demo:
>>>http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM05/Index/videos.html
>>>
>>>http://waves.com/
>>>
>>>Thanks again!
>>>
>>>James
>>
>>Dave,
WL 5 has no problems with UAD plugins nowadays. I can tweak UAD parameters
on the fly with nary a BSOD.
;o)
"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
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> UAD and Wavelab don't like each other much... but they will work. You
> just have to make sure not to adjust any plug perimeters while playing
> audio, and close the plug window before playing. PITA, but it works.
> I use WL4 here like that all the time. The main difference between
> WL4/5 and Essential is that there are only two lanes in the montage
> window in Essential. I generally render the montage to a solid wave
> first then add plugs and markers.
>
> David.
>
> Cujo wrote:
>
> > he EK,
> > This is exactly what I want to do.
> > Not out of sequence, just more optiions than say a Roxio with 2 second
or
> > 3 or whatever they allow so I have an accurate sequencing to give to a
mastering
> > guy to follow..also so we can test drive the sequence for a week or so.
> >
> > That is great of WL Essentials will do it. The Steinberg guy said no,
but
> > he may have misunderstood me. He siad I needed the full version for
that!
> >
> > So UAD plugs are also ok in WL E?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Not sure I understand what you want to do... In Wavelab you can use
> >>the montage window to crossfade from one file to another. The CD
> >>markers can be laid where ever you need them, including in the middle
> >>of audio. If you are looking to lay markers out of sequence then no,
> >>it can't do that. Once you get a handle on it, the montage window is
> >>really very fast for this sort of thing.
> >>
> >>David.
> >>
> >>Cujo wrote:
> >>
> >>>yeah, I looked into that too.
> >>>The guy at Steinberg said it does not allow you to move the track ID
makers
> >>> around in a CD sequence.THhatt only the full blown does this.
> >>>Is he wrong?
> >>>
> >>>I really want to be able to mock up the sequence including thigns likc
> >
> > tracks
> >
> >>>crossfading inot each other, so I can send it to the mastering guy for
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>guide as how the band wants it.
> >>>
> >>>I;d rather get the Wavelab if it will do it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Wavelab Essential is around $99US... basically it is Wavelab
> >>>>3 repackaged. Would do a fine job for what you need.
> >>>>
> >>>>David.
> >>>>
> >>>>cujo wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Ok, Looks like Sound Forge's CD architect has the CD sequence options
> >>>
> >>>I am
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>looking for. I have read here there is a question regarding how it
sounds.
> >>>>>Can anyone using it tell me what they think?
> >>>>>What 5 am looking for is some sort of bidget mastering prog for gig
demos
> >>>>>and pre mastering refernce CD's
> >>>>>I have found it for about 200.00, wavelab runs about 500.00
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'm gett6ing set up for a guitar overdub session tomorrow. The guitarist
is
>a major, nationally recognized picker. I haven't really been given the green
>light to name names right now. The tracks will be included in a mix of a
>project that I've been working on here.
>
>Anyway, I'm going to be doing a quick test of a number of mics for this
>session. Since the room sounds good and I'm not worried about overbleed,
I'm
>considering X/Y pairs of SDC's and also mono tracking of the guitar using
>LDC's. I'm pretty stoked by thewse SE mics I've been trying out and I'm
>including them in the audition.
>
>Here are the mics and preamps:
>1. Stephen Paul U87-(Sytek)
>2. AT 4050 (Sytek)
>3. SE Titan (Sytek)
>4. SE Titan-different voicing from standard issue (Sytek)
>5. Mojave cardioid built by Mike Claytor (Great River MP2-MH)
>6. SE Gemini (Great River MP2-MH)
>7. Neumann KM184's in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
>8. AKG C460B-Ck-61's in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
>9. SE 3 in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
>
I like SDC mics in ORTF, with the right mic (as you face the guitar) pointed
at the 12th fret, about a foot out, and the left mic pointed sort of in the
direction of the soundhole. I haven't used the Great River (I have GML)
but understand that it is good for this type of thing.
Also, you might consider (obviously not for this project) getting the Jim
Williams (Audio Upgrades) mod for your C460s. Makes a huge improvement.Guy's, I just received notice that a song I co-wrote with Will Downing and
Travis Milliner, "All I Want for Christmas is You" has been nominated in
several categories for awards:
Song of the Year "All I Want for Christmas is You"
Record of thh Year "Christmas Love and You"
Best R&B Album "Christmas Love and You"
Best Traditional R&B vocal "Christmas Love and You"
Best R&B vocal perfomance "All I Want for Christmas is You"
Obviously, it is early on in the running, but good news none the less.
TyroneThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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please explain under which circumstances this plug would be useful.
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
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Dimitros,
You said there was a particular version of Wormhole for Paris users.
Is that the latest one on their website or something different?
My goal is to have MIDI softsynths from Cubase playing back in
Paris over LAN realtime or at least less than 10 ms latency. Will =
this=20
happen without me even buying an audio card using Wormhole?
Tom
"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message =
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Hi Dimitrios,
I'd like to experiment with wormhole. I emailed their website the =
other=20
day to see if Paris was supported but they haven't got back to me =
yet.
jefj
Dimitrios wrote:
>Hello to everyone.
>You all know here my humble efforts to push Paris a little bit to =
the future...
>What is though lacking is the kind of support from most of us =
here...
>An example to what I mean is wormhole.
>This kind guy -author- of wormhole has made too many efforts to =
make wormhole
>work better with Paris.
>But...things have stopeed somehow because noone except from me and =
Genne
>Lennon I guess , has bought wormhole.
>I explained to wormhole author that he will find a great =
willingness of support
>in his efforts but I was wrong...
>How can we all expect Paris to grow along when we do not support =
those efforts
>?
>Even if you would not need for now wormhole this would open doors =
to newer
>appz-plugins that could make Paris a better DAW.
>How can I ask this guy to try to make an app specific for Paris =
like an automated
>delay compensation (if that will be possible ,who knows) or =
something other
>if we here do not support these guys.
>This damn wormhole is so cheap compared to what we all paid ( and =
some of
>you much more) to have our Paris system .
>Only if I see "named" responses that will confirm bying wormhole =
and we must
>gather quite a few here then only I will get in touch again and =
somehow "demand"
>Paris support with wormhole and other things.
>I am considering rebuying wormhole to add me first on that list...
>So please show in this forum that we wanna keep Paris alive =
spending some
>extra little money ( afew Pizzas less for a coupl e of weekends) =
starting
>with wormhole...
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>ps: If someone else too has already bought Paris ,my humble =
apologies to
>him, but I will need his name to add it on the list I will send to =
wormhole
>author
> =20
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>please explain under which =
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitros,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You said there was a particular =
version of=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Is that the latest one on their =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My goal is to have MIDI softsynths =
from Cubase=20
playing back in</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paris over LAN realtime or at least =
less than 10=20
ms latency. Will this </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>happen without me even buying an =
</FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>audio card using Wormhole?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"jef knight" <<A=20
=
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</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:435a45ac@linux">news:435a45ac@linux</A>...</DIV>Hi=20
Dimitrios,<BR><BR>I'd like to experiment with wormhole. I emailed =
their=20
website the other <BR>day to see if Paris was supported but they =
haven't got=20
back to me yet.<BR><BR>jefj<BR><BR>Dimitrios wrote:<BR><BR>>Hello =
to=20
everyone.<BR>>You all know here my humble efforts to push Paris a =
little=20
bit to the future...<BR>>What is though lacking is the kind of =
support=20
from most of us here...<BR>>An example to what I mean is=20
wormhole.<BR>>This kind guy -author- of wormhole has made too =
many=20
efforts to make wormhole<BR>>work better with =
Paris.<BR>>But...things=20
have stopeed somehow because noone except from me and =
Genne<BR>>Lennon I=20
guess , has bought wormhole.<BR>>I explained to wormhole author =
that he=20
will find a great willingness of support<BR>>in his efforts but I =
was=20
wrong...<BR>>How can we all expect Paris to grow along when we do =
not=20
support those efforts<BR>>?<BR>>Even if you would not need for =
now=20
wormhole this would open doors to newer<BR>>appz-plugins that =
could make=20
Paris a better DAW.<BR>>How can I ask this guy to try to make an =
app=20
specific for Paris like an automated<BR>>delay compensation (if =
that will=20
be possible ,who knows) or something other<BR>>if we here do not =
support=20
these guys.<BR>>This damn wormhole is so cheap compared to what =
we all=20
paid ( and some of<BR>>you much more) to have our Paris system=20
.<BR>>Only if I see "named" responses that will confirm bying =
wormhole=20
and we must<BR>>gather quite a few here then only I will get in =
touch=20
again and somehow "demand"<BR>>Paris support with wormhole and =
other=20
things.<BR>>I am considering rebuying wormhole to add me first on =
that=20
list...<BR>>So please show in this forum that we wanna keep Paris =
alive=20
spending some<BR>>extra little money ( afew Pizzas less for a =
coupl e of=20
weekends) starting<BR>>with=20
wormhole...<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR >><BR>>ps: If =
someone=20
else too has already bought Paris ,my humble apologies =
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Rob
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> Guy's, I just received notice that a song I co-wrote with Will Downing and
> Travis Milliner, "All I Want for Christmas is You" has been nominated in
> several categories for awards:
>
> Song of the Year "All I Want for Christmas is You"
> Record of thh Year "Christmas Love and You"
> Best R&B Album "Christmas Love and You"
> Best Traditional R&B vocal "Christmas Love and You"
> Best R&B vocal perfomance "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>
> Obviously, it is early on in the running, but good news none the less.
>
> TyroneCongratulations Tyrone,
It's a wonderful accomplishement.
JH
Tyrone Corbett wrote:
> Guy's, I just received notice that a song I co-wrote with Will Downing and
> Travis Milliner, "All I Want for Christmas is You" has been nominated in
> several categories for awards:
>
> Song of the Year "All I Want for Christmas is You"
> Record of thh Year "Christmas Love and You"
> Best R&B Album "Christmas Love and You"
> Best Traditional R&B vocal "Christmas Love and You"
> Best R&B vocal perfomance "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>
> Obviously, it is early on in the running, but good news none the less.
>
> TyroneWay Cool! Congradulations!
Rod
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Guy's, I just received notice that a song I co-wrote with Will Downing and
>Travis Milliner, "All I Want for Christmas is You" has been nominated in
>several categories for awards:
>
>Song of the Year "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>Record of thh Year "Christmas Love and You"
>Best R&B Album "Christmas Love and You"
>Best Traditional R&B vocal "Christmas Love and You"
>Best R&B vocal perfomance "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>
>Obviously, it is early on in the running, but good news none the less.
>
>Tyroneerrr..I meant Congratulations
rod
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Way Cool! Congradulations!
>Rod
>"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>Guy's, I just received notice that a song I co-wrote with Will Downing
and
>>Travis Milliner, "All I Want for Christmas is You" has been nominated in
>>several categories for awards:
>>
>>Song of the Year "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>>Record of thh Year "Christmas Love and You"
>>Best R&B Album "Christmas Love and You"
>>Best Traditional R&B vocal "Christmas Love and You"
>>Best R&B vocal perfomance "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>>
>>Obviously, it is early on in the running, but good news none the less.
>>
>>Tyrone
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Tyrone,
I tip my hat off to you. Excellent news!
Tom
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =
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errr..I meant Congratulations
rod=20
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Way Cool! Congradulations!=20
>Rod
>"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>Guy's, I just received notice that a song I co-wrote with Will =
Downing
and
>>Travis Milliner, "All I Want for Christmas is You" has been =
nominated in
>>several categories for awards:=20
>>
>>Song of the Year "All I Want for Christmas is You"=20
>>Record of thh Year "Christmas Love and You"=20
>>Best R&B Album "Christmas Love and You"=20
>>Best Traditional R&B vocal "Christmas Love and You"=20
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>>Obviously, it is early on in the running, but good news none the =
less.
>>
>>Tyrone
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the eds stereo comp across the mix buss?Excellent !!!
Don
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:435bce41$1@linux...
>
> Guy's, I just received notice that a song I co-wrote with Will Downing and
> Travis Milliner, "All I Want for Christmas is You" has been nominated in
> several categories for awards:
>
> Song of the Year "All I Want for Christmas is You"
> Record of thh Year "Christmas Love and You"
> Best R&B Album "Christmas Love and You"
> Best Traditional R&B vocal "Christmas Love and You"
> Best R&B vocal perfomance "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>
> Obviously, it is early on in the running, but good news none the less.
>
> TyroneI've been mixing with NoLimit across the Global bus.
Deej
"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Do most users prefer to mix in paris with or without
> the eds stereo comp across the mix buss?What type os setting do you use?
I can;t seem to trust Nolimit on the Mix bus as it always gives me a very
flat looking WAV.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I've been mixing with NoLimit across the Global bus.
>
>Deej
>
>"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:435bf479$1@linux...
>>
>> Do most users prefer to mix in paris with or without
>> the eds stereo comp across the mix buss?
>
>Just curious how many of you fellow Parisians approach compression while recording
in to paris. For instance, does anyone compress Snares and Kicks or Overheads
to get a hotter level without too much red. What about vocals?
Do you record em uncompressed and then add when mixing? Or do you like the
effect of compressing while tracking and then again while mixing?
Also I'd love to know what some of our fav hardware compressors are and why.I use the regular compressor, sometime 2 of thim in series but not till I've
got the Mix like it.
Rod
"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Do most users prefer to mix in paris with or without
>the eds stereo comp across the mix buss?enjoy the ride.
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:53:51 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'm gett6ing set up for a guitar overdub session tomorrow. The guitarist is
>a major, nationally recognized picker. I haven't really been given the green
>light to name names right now. The tracks will be included in a mix of a
>project that I've been working on here.
>
>Anyway, I'm going to be doing a quick test of a number of mics for this
>session. Since the room sounds good and I'm not worried about overbleed, I'm
>considering X/Y pairs of SDC's and also mono tracking of the guitar using
>LDC's. I'm pretty stoked by thewse SE mics I've been trying out and I'm
>including them in the audition.
>
>Here are the mics and preamps:
>1. Stephen Paul U87-(Sytek)
>2. AT 4050 (Sytek)
>3. SE Titan (Sytek)
>4. SE Titan-different voicing from standard issue (Sytek)
>5. Mojave cardioid built by Mike Claytor (Great River MP2-MH)
>6. SE Gemini (Great River MP2-MH)
>7. Neumann KM184's in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
>8. AKG C460B-Ck-61's in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
>9. SE 3 in X/Y (Forssell JMP-6)
>
>These preamps are all somewhat similar, being clean/straight wire with gain
>kinda pre's and they were selected for reasons if consistency and expediency
>in getting this test done within the remaining time I have available in
>2005.
>
>If it's OK with eve3ryone involved, I'll make some sound clips available.
>
>Deej
>
>
>
>not to get hotter levels but just to smooth things out if the talent
hasn't a efin clue. if you want hotter, do it post.
On 24 Oct 2005 07:20:57 +1000, "Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com>
wrote:
>
>Just curious how many of you fellow Parisians approach compression while recording
>in to paris. For instance, does anyone compress Snares and Kicks or Overheads
>to get a hotter level without too much red. What about vocals?
>Do you record em uncompressed and then add when mixing? Or do you like the
>effect of compressing while tracking and then again while mixing?
>Also I'd love to know what some of our fav hardware compressors are and why.DUDE...feel the light...
On 24 Oct 2005 03:54:09 +1000, "Tyrone Corbett"
<tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Guy's, I just received notice that a song I co-wrote with Will Downing and
>Travis Milliner, "All I Want for Christmas is You" has been nominated in
>several categories for awards:
>
>Song of the Year "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>Record of thh Year "Christmas Love and You"
>Best R&B Album "Christmas Love and You"
>Best Traditional R&B vocal "Christmas Love and You"
>Best R&B vocal perfomance "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>
>Obviously, it is early on in the running, but good news none the less.
>
>TyroneTerrific news. Congratulations!
DC
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Guy's, I just received notice that a song I co-wrote with Will Downing and
>Travis Milliner, "All I Want for Christmas is You" has been nominated in
>several categories for awards:
>
>Song of the Year "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>Record of thh Year "Christmas Love and You"
>Best R&B Album "Christmas Love and You"
>Best Traditional R&B vocal "Christmas Love and You"
>Best R&B vocal perfomance "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>
>Obviously, it is early on in the running, but good news none the less.
>
>TyroneGreat news. Congratulations. I will keep my fingers crossed for the big event.
Gene
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Guy's, I just received notice that a song I co-wrote with Will Downing and
>Travis Milliner, "All I Want for Christmas is You" has been nominated in
>several categories for awards:
>
>Song of the Year "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>Record of thh Year "Christmas Love and You"
>Best R&B Album "Christmas Love and You"
>Best Traditional R&B vocal "Christmas Love and You"
>Best R&B vocal perfomance "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>
>Obviously, it is early on in the running, but good news none the less.
>
>TyroneWell, sometimes compression casn make a really great perfomer sound even
better.
When I mean hotter levels I should clarify, Say a snare into an API which
has only input control, but the pres sounds great pushed, however at the
best level, you get a few "overs" ..or even use somehting like an RNC to
be able to step down the output of the pre
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>not to get hotter levels but just to smooth things out if the talent
>hasn't a efin clue. if you want hotter, do it post.
>
>On 24 Oct 2005 07:20:57 +1000, "Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Just curious how many of you fellow Parisians approach compression while
recording
>>in to paris. For instance, does anyone compress Snares and Kicks or Overheads
>>to get a hotter level without too much red. What about vocals?
>>Do you record em uncompressed and then add when mixing? Or do you like
the
>>effect of compressing while tracking and then again while mixing?
>>Also I'd love to know what some of our fav hardware compressors are and
why.
>What is the bestest wrapper you guys are using for PARIS.
Thanks.But then I have to upgrade to V5... don't need surround
editing. :-)
David.
DJ wrote:
> Dave,
>
> WL 5 has no problems with UAD plugins nowadays. I can tweak UAD parameters
> on the fly with nary a BSOD.
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> news:433b6415$1@linux...
>
>>UAD and Wavelab don't like each other much... but they will work. You
>>just have to make sure not to adjust any plug perimeters while playing
>>audio, and close the plug window before playing. PITA, but it works.
>> I use WL4 here like that all the time. The main difference between
>>WL4/5 and Essential is that there are only two lanes in the montage
>>window in Essential. I generally render the montage to a solid wave
>>first then add plugs and markers.
>>
>>David.
>>"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>Just curious how many of you fellow Parisians approach compression while
recording
>in to paris. For instance, does anyone compress Snares and Kicks or Overheads
>to get a hotter level without too much red. What about vocals?
>Do you record em uncompressed and then add when mixing? Or do you like the
>effect of compressing while tracking and then again while mixing?
>Also I'd love to know what some of our fav hardware compressors are and
why.
As usual, this is just my opinion, but I say:
For vocals, a resounding yes. I have four reasons.
1. Hardware still sounds better to me but I don’t like the extra D/A, A/D
conversions needed to use hardware during mixdown, so I like to get as close
to my final sound as I can during tracking. Then if I need a hint of extra
compressing I may use a software plug like the 1176 or LA2a from the UAD-1.
I feel the same way about eq. (I actually do use a fair amount of outboard
during important mixes, but for critical tracks like the lead vocal I like
avoiding the second conversions if possible.)
2. If you are looking for a particular sound, it is very dangerous to assume
that you can get it after the fact. Many times I have discovered that the
track becomes too sibilancy if I hit it hard with compression and a little
eq boost at mixdown. The singer is long gone and there is frequently no second
chance. If you discover this during the tracking session, you can adjust
the mic, try a different mic, etc. It’s better to get a sound that works
to tape and have confidence that it will work in the mix with just a little
tweaking. (I think this is the main reason the vast majority of producers
and engineers that I know that work on major label projects still cut this
way.)
3. Controlling level to tape is still important. The Paris meters (like most
DAW meters) are not accurate enough to spot short peak overs. You can always
overcompensate and record very low, but how many engineers cut below –10,
and I know many singers that can cause very wide swings in input levels.
This can also be true of instrument tracks although I tend to be more conservative
with compression for instruments. Using some compression to tape can save
an important take if the performer becomes “enthusiastic”. You also benefit
from the “extra bits” you get when you record closer to “0”. Others disagree,
but I like the sound coming back from Paris less at very low levels. Just
boosting the level back is not the same. (I have the same issue with other
digital recorders).
4. Good vocalists know how to “work the mic”. Voice is their instrument and
the recording chain, becomes an extension of their technique… particularly
the compressor. With a good singer, this can make a major difference in the
sound and the emotional quality of the performance. Do you really want to
loose this just to give some more control to the engineer?
It’s great that the new gear gives us the option to make so many critical
decisions at the very end of the production process, but sometimes it’s bad
to put everything off. Particularly if you are compromising the final product.
Naturally, this assumes good hardware. A cheep compressor, or one that is
set up wrong will kill a track dead, and we all know that you can’t un-compress.
Gene
PS. One final point. If you know that you will be spending a lot of time
with Mr. AutoTune you should avoid compression or go very light.That's wonderful!
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Guy's, I just received notice that a song I co-wrote with Will Downing and
>Travis Milliner, "All I Want for Christmas is You" has been nominated in
>several categories for awards:
>
>Song of the Year "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>Record of thh Year "Christmas Love and You"
>Best R&B Album "Christmas Love and You"
>Best Traditional R&B vocal "Christmas Love and You"
>Best R&B vocal perfomance "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>
>Obviously, it is early on in the running, but good news none the less.
>
>TyroneOn 24 Oct 2005 03:54:09 +1000, "Tyrone Corbett"
<tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Guy's, I just received notice that a song I co-wrote with Will Downing and
>Travis Milliner, "All I Want for Christmas is You" has been nominated in
>several categories for awards:
>
>Song of the Year "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>Record of thh Year "Christmas Love and You"
>Best R&B Album "Christmas Love and You"
>Best Traditional R&B vocal "Christmas Love and You"
>Best R&B vocal perfomance "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>
>Obviously, it is early on in the running, but good news none the less.
>
>Tyrone
Congrats! That's way cool.
pabGene makes some great points here. I use compression like crazy (haha!) when
mixing, but I really don't like to comp anything on the way in - especially
drums. You can really kill the drum track's versatility (for mixing) with an
un-doable compression on the way in. I do, however, sometimes do some light
compression on vocals on the way in. Just depends on who's singing, and
what.
rock on,
-Carl Amburn
"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:435c4237$1@linux...
>
> "Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote:
> >
> >Just curious how many of you fellow Parisians approach compression while
> recording
> >in to paris. For instance, does anyone compress Snares and Kicks or
Overheads
> >to get a hotter level without too much red. What about vocals?
> >Do you record em uncompressed and then add when mixing? Or do you like
the
> >effect of compressing while tracking and then again while mixing?
> >Also I'd love to know what some of our fav hardware compressors are and
> why.
>
> As usual, this is just my opinion, but I say:
> For vocals, a resounding yes. I have four reasons.
>
> 1. Hardware still sounds better to me but I don't like the extra D/A, A/D
> conversions needed to use hardware during mixdown, so I like to get as
close
> to my final sound as I can during tracking. Then if I need a hint of extra
> compressing I may use a software plug like the 1176 or LA2a from the
UAD-1.
> I feel the same way about eq. (I actually do use a fair amount of outboard
> during important mixes, but for critical tracks like the lead vocal I like
> avoiding the second conversions if possible.)
>
> 2. If you are looking for a particular sound, it is very dangerous to
assume
> that you can get it after the fact. Many times I have discovered that the
> track becomes too sibilancy if I hit it hard with compression and a little
> eq boost at mixdown. The singer is long gone and there is frequently no
second
> chance. If you discover this during the tracking session, you can adjust
> the mic, try a different mic, etc. It's better to get a sound that works
> to tape and have confidence that it will work in the mix with just a
little
> tweaking. (I think this is the main reason the vast majority of producers
> and engineers that I know that work on major label projects still cut this
> way.)
>
> 3. Controlling level to tape is still important. The Paris meters (like
most
> DAW meters) are not accurate enough to spot short peak overs. You can
always
> overcompensate and record very low, but how many engineers cut below -10,
> and I know many singers that can cause very wide swings in input levels.
> This can also be true of instrument tracks although I tend to be more
conservative
> with compression for instruments. Using some compression to tape can save
> an important take if the performer becomes "enthusiastic". You also
benefit
> from the "extra bits" you get when you record closer to "0". Others
disagree,
> but I like the sound coming back from Paris less at very low levels. Just
> boosting the level back is not the same. (I have the same issue with
other
> digital recorders).
>
> 4. Good vocalists know how to "work the mic". Voice is their instrument
and
> the recording chain, becomes an extension of their technique. particularly
> the compressor. With a good singer, this can make a major difference in
the
> sound and the emotional quality of the performance. Do you really want to
> loose this just to give some more control to the engineer?
>
> It's great that the new gear gives us the option to make so many critical
> decisions at the very end of the production process, but sometimes it's
bad
> to put everything off. Particularly if you are compromising the final
product.
>
> Naturally, this assumes good hardware. A cheep compressor, or one that is
> set up wrong will kill a track dead, and we all know that you can't
un-compress.
>
> Gene
>
> PS. One final point. If you know that you will be spending a lot of time
> with Mr. AutoTune you should avoid compression or go very light.
>I use the eds comp on the main buss insert, as well as nolimit. You can hear
some of my work at....
http://www.myspace.com/roma79
http://www.myspace.com/riddleofsteelband
http://www.myspace.com/asceticrecords
rock on,
-Carl Amburn
"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:435bf479$1@linux...
>
> Do most users prefer to mix in paris with or without
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