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| Drumagog [message #63677] |
Mon, 23 January 2006 17:52  |
Paul
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ef=3D3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A>>=3D20=
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>> > wrote:<BR>>HI Lamont,<BR>>Sorry to here your having =3D
>> >trouble.<BR>>What=3D20
>> > exact model of the Gigabyte board do you mean. The description=3D20
>> > you<BR><BR>>have here
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| Re: Drumagog [message #63746 is a reply to message #63688] |
Wed, 25 January 2006 08:06  |
tonehouse
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Matrox G450.
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> > =
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> >>=3D
> >> >Strange..
> >> >
> >> > I've been looking into this PCI latency issues and download an app
> >
> > =
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> >>to
> >> =3D
> >> >look
> >> > and change soem of the PCI latency settings.=3D20
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> >> > The Sata controller had a setting of 0(zero). EDS scherzo (32) =
> >>matrox
> >> =3D
> >> >(64)..IDE
> >> > controller (0)..
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for your help ..LaMont
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ahris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
> >> > >HI Lamont,
> >> > >Sorry to here your having trouble.
> >> > >What exact model of the Gigabyte board do you mean. The =
> >>description =3D
> >> >you
> >> >
> >> > >have here is vague. Is it a K8NS Ultra -939?
> >> > >
> >> > >When you say you rebuilt do you mean you reinstalled windows from
> >
> > =
> >
> >>=3D
> >> >scratch?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >LaMont wrote:
> >> > >> Hi gang:
> >> > >> I 'm having problems getting Paris to ip and running. Paris will
> >
> > =
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> >>=3D
> >> >sometimes
> >> > >> star, only to just freeze up and crash the whole system. So, I =
> >>=3D
> >> >thought
> >> > my
> >> > >> Asus-Amd XP combo(with SATA-Firwire) was cause too much IRQ =3D
> >> >problems for
> >> > >> PAris.
> >> > >>=3D20
> >> > >> So, I rebuilt with my favorite stable mobo(Gigabyte).
> >> > >>=3D20
> >> > >> Here's the skinny: I just build a new Paris/Nuendo PC. Great =
> >>very =3D
> >> >very
> >> > fast:
> >> > >> Here are the configs:
> >> > >>=3D20
> >> > >> -gigabyte mobo 939 Ultra250
> >> > >> -Dual core opteron 165
> >> > >> -2gig ddr400
> >> > >> -sata (onboard) 3 300 gig drives
> >> > >> -(1) RME Digi 96=3D20
> >> > >> -(1)Magma card (4 card EDS)=3D20
> >> > >> -Matrox g450
> >> > >>=3D20
> >> > >> Well, Nuendo runs like a Deer!!! WOW.. But PAris is hit and =
> >>miss. I
> >> =3D
> >> >disabled:
> >> > >> USB, SATA raid..A little better, but I', starting to think that
> >
> > =
> >
> >>My
> >> =3D
> >> >either
> >> > >> my EdS cards or Mec/442 are the problem. Just 2 weeks prior, the
> >
> > =
> >
> >>=3D
> >> >system
> >> > was
> >> > >> working fine.=3D20
> >> > >>=3D20
> >> > >> Note: In my studio I have a master power switch that start up =
> >>the =3D
> >> >FUrman
> >> > >> power unit..The Magama and Mec units were on when I started up =
> >>the
> >> =3D
> >> >system.
> >> > >> Maybe PAris got a Jolt ??? I don;t know..
> >> > >> Please help..Thanks
> >> > >>=3D20
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Chris
> >> > >
> >> > >--=3D20
> >> > >Chris Ludwig
> >> > >
> >> > >ADK Pro Audio
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| Re: Drumagog [message #63761 is a reply to message #63746] |
Wed, 25 January 2006 11:43 |
Paul
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64;no.com> wrote in message news:44059886$1@linux...
>> That Jimmy Page is always cleaning out his garage.
>>
>> Dale wrote:
>>> and the shipping is *only* $475.... Whatta deal!
>>>
>>>
>>> rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>does he pay for his own room and meals when teaching?
>>>>
>>>>On 1 Mar 2006 18:13:41 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Check out the price... oh hey, that's funny...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/UNIVOX-Guitar-GIMME-1972-Rare-1-of-a-kin d-UN-REAL_W0QQitemZ7394607711QQcategoryZ2384QQrdZ1QQcmdZView Item
>>>>
>>>
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>HI Miguel,
Yes quite a few differences.
The K8NS Ultra-939
nForce3 Ultra chip set 2000 mhz FSB
4 x sata ports 2 of which are integrated on the Nvidia chip set.
2 x lan both gigabit 1 is integrated on the nvidia chip set.
3 x 1384b (2x 400 1x 800 ports)
Dual_BIOS
The K8NSC-939
NForce 3 250Gb chip set 1600 mhz FSB
2x sata ports
1x lan
no firewire
no dual bios
The only real major difference is the slower FSB.
Chris
Miguel Vigil wrote:
> Hello Chris,
>
>>>> not Standard PC. Mother Board GA-K8NSC-939
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>
> re above mobo, which does not have the firewire i/o,
> is there any major difference to the more expensive and
> elusive K8ns ultra pro you have touted?
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> TIA,
>
> El Miguel
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> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:4405b024@linux...
>> HI Lamont,
>> Wow weird stuff. Glad its working now.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> LaMont wrote:
>>> Tom & Chris,
>>>
>>> I got it solved. It was the Magma Chasis's power supply was not "seated"
>>> into slot properly. Paris is working fine now.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> LM,
>>>> Can't wait to hear.
>>>> T.
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message =
>>>> news:44052522@linux...
>>>>
>>>> HEY Tom,
>>>> I'm in the Prcess of moving th magma card to differnt slots..I'll let
>>> =
>>>
>>>> you
>>>> know what happens..
>>>>
>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> LaMont,
>>>>> EDS1 with Matrox is a bad thing. I'd try different slots within
>>>>> the Magma to correct that. Have you tried any other slots on
>>>>> the mobo for the Magma card? That might be the first thing unless
>>>>> you know that won't help.
>>>>> Tom
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message =3D
>>>>> news:4404e5bf$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>> Fresh install of win Xp/sp1. New drives, ne
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| Re: Drumagog [message #63810 is a reply to message #63761] |
Thu, 26 January 2006 00:31 |
Deej [1]
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manded that employees "payout" big sums
>of their income to (Aka: Pay for)pay for healthcare. So, with the Big-3
coming
>out stating that it can no longer provide Top Tier Health care any longer,
>they are not just "Blowing-Smoke". They are speaking the truth!!..
>
>So, what do we do. Do we continue to play the "rich" Republican game of
>stuffing the pockets of Big Bussinees insurance companies? Who,btw(heathinsureance
>companies)swear that they are being fleeced by both the Pharacuticals and
>the Hospitals. Thy, the health insurance industry for years have been victims
>of massive fraud from both small local clinics all the way to your largest
>hospitals. Pharmacuticals compnies charge hositals 5 times the amount for
>a single pill!! Who then pass that cost of a single pill to you and I.
>It's maddness of epic porportions. It's got to end.
>Most americans are only all castastrophe away from wiping out a families
>assett's.
>
>Yes, my southeren neighbor Canada had a rough start with it's National Heathcare
>system as well as Euroup, but both have never "Re-tracked" the systems and
>both have smoothed out. Is it perfect? No, but is better than the mess we
>have now??
>
>So, I wish poor working stiffs stop championing the "Rich" societies causes.
>Who's anti heath care rhectoric has been: 'Do you want your goverment" involved
>with healthcare?" Then chuckle(no no)..
>In case you missed it, the so-calld middle class is shrinking daily,a nd
>the divide btw rich and others(poor) is the wideset it's ever been in the
>history of our nation. We are being "FLEECED" for the Rich and their coffers.
>Gas prices, home heating, electricity. All time highs. Even more, the rich
>do'nt care.
>
>There was a time in America where by if you were rich and owned a company
>or corporation you felt and obligation to the common working man and woman.
>Now, you got boards in New-York calling the shots. Who's only mission is
>to "Return To Share Holder Value". Well, theirs nothing wrong with RTSV.
>It's what free market is all about. it's very American. However, how much
>"Return is Enough"?? At what cost to the working stiffs is this affecting
>their "Quality of Life"?
>
>Greed is alive and kicking in America. Like the Character in "Wall-Street"
>Gordon Geko: Greed is Good.. However, today their is Too-Much Greed.. And
>it's not Good.
>LaMont
>
>"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote:
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>>A man owned a recording studio in Texas. The Texas Wage & Hour Dept. claimed
>>he was not paying proper wages to his help. They sent an agent out to interview
>>& investigate the accusations.
>>Upon arrival at the studio the agents demanded, "We need a list of your
>employees
>>and how much you pay them,"
>>The studio owner replied, "There's my main engineer who's been with me
for
>>3 years. I pay him $800 a week plus benefits."
>>The studio manager has been here for 18 months, "I pay her $500 per week
>>plus benefits".
>>Then there's the half-wit who works here about 18 hours every day and does
>>about 90% of all the work around here. He makes $10 per week, and I buy
>him
>>a bottle of bourbon every Saturday night."
>>"That's the guy I want to talk to - the half-wit," says the agent.
>>"That would be me," replied the studio owner…
>>
>I worked with Taylor a lot during his time in Auburn(1997ish). He was very
raw at the time. I ran sound for his band "Passing Through" quite
a number of times. They were all very nice kids. Easy to work with.
What struck me about them was that if I made a suggestion to help
them sound better, they would do it.
Kids in the 18 to 21 age range usually are way too much into what THEY
think to take suggestions from the sound guy. But they always listened
and made adjustments then asked me what I thought about their adjustments.
As far as Taylor goes, for his harp, he had a little fender blues amp that
he played through. Had his own mic that he ran into it and I just had to
slap a 57 on it and we were ready to roll. For his vocals, I made sure
I had the cleanest beta57 from the batch for him. One thing I remember
was that he could KILL a sound board with his volume. I ran sound for
a lot of bands back then and nobody hit a microphone as hard as he did.
Not even close. Once he got warmed up and started really getting into it
he almost didn't even need a mic. He's the kind of performer that needs
to get into the groove before he really starts to shine. The thing about AI
is that he doesnt have that time to get into the groove so his performances
so far
have been a little stiff IMO. He does a lot of
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| Re: Drumagog [message #63821 is a reply to message #63810] |
Thu, 26 January 2006 08:57 |
Deej [1]
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lied, "There's my main engineer who's been with me
>>> for
>>> 3 years. I pay him $800 a week plus benefits."
>>> The studio manager has been here for 18 months, "I pay her $500 per week
>>> plus benefits".
>>> Then there's the half-wit who works here about 18 hours every day and
>>> does
>>> about 90% of all the work around here. He makes $10 per week, and I buy
>> him
>>> a bottle of bourbon every Saturday night."
>>> "That's the guy I want to talk to - the half-wit," says the agent.
>>> "That would be me," replied the studio owner.
>>>
>>
>Don't get me started!
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4405f7b6$1@linux...
> Hey,
>
> Any Cubase/Nuendo Scoring power users in the crowd? Having issues with
> adding chord symbols and text to a basic piano chart. We can "E" off
> group.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David.Well put my friend.Well put..
The Irony of this great American tragedy is that "everyone" in this country
is acting as if nothing's haapening to our way of life! or, maybe we all
feel "powerless" & helpless.
I say the truth even if it hurts.
For the last 10 years while ordinary working stiffs were fightig , grappleing,
whining about stupid issues( that were manufactured by our elected gov officials,
lead by Big Business) Issues, like race, creed, budget deficit, abortion,school
prayer, blow jobs in the whitehouse...The keepers of the gate were "fleecing"
raping, piliging our $$coffers. Theey have reinvented the word "Distractions"..
Now, here we all are ( White, Brown, Black, Red, Yellow People of a Color
and Americans) feeling like we've been raped with out the petroleum jelly.
Yep, we bought in to every frickin issuea(diversion) they could muster up.
Now, look at us all.. ??
Race was never the issue. The keepers of the $$$ coffers used this nasty
trick as a covert "diversionnary" tool to always keep the comoon/poor whites
thinking that all the ills of our nations is the cause by Blacks and other
non-whites. While the common white american is busy hatying balcks and others,
the Keepers of the $$$ gate could do as they pleased. Almost blameless &
shameless. But, it seems that just like in todays times, Greed set in and
the it became very obvious to the common american that "they were not getting
a piece nor a fair shair of the pie.
Thus, this spured organized labor movement. An attempt for the common american
to gain at least a digified wage and provide a decent living for his family.
People died trying to organize the first unions. Why??
Fast forward:Bigbusness never liked unions and waged a very sucessfull anti-union
campaigns. Again, using tried and tried tactics that has works for decades.
They went to the non union stated and put on a their "happy-faces" and convinced
poor southern whites nd blacks that "we are as bad as those unions up north
make us out to be. "Now, we can't pay you what they are making, and we can't
provide the same bennfits because, it's those union contracts up north are
taking too much of the pie...
Now, you got sothern poor whites and blacks and mexicans conviced that unions
are bad. Taochey for Big Business.
Now, the friuts of big bisiness labor is the Walmarts, Saturns of this world
who are union less and make lot money with no to little bennifits. BUT!,
let's not forget about the "new mellinium" Samll -Business Owner scam. So,
by 1995, eveyone wanted to be a "small-Business owner..Hey, who does'nt..?
But, as soon as most thinking -forward americans started their LLC's, and
S-corps, our goverment started 'changing" tax laws that no- longer bennifitted
small-business. Even more,A small business struggled to provide health-care
for it's family and employees. Uhhohh!! Now what do they (Smallbusiness's
do??) By 2001, the Gove, made getting SBL's harder and harder, then came
the death blow..Just last year, our same beloved Gov re-wrote the backrupties
laws.boom!!!! Now, Small business ,saddle in debit, double minumum paments
due on maxed-out credit cards. That corporate SUV you purchaed or leased
is aliabilty with gas prices where they are.. All of this going on.. But,
this is why I love this country and better, the people of this country.
The national media can't seem to understand why it's been 5 years after 911,
and as a whole, we could care less what the President is doing abouthe the
war and IRaq,Bin-laden.. They do'nt get it. !! When GM, Ford, Chrysler, ATT,
IBM and other companies annouce to the free world that they will be Firing
20,30, 40, 50,60 thousand people!11 , who gives a flying f!@#$# what Sadamm
is saying or the lastest BinLaden tape, ports..Scew it!! is the feeling from
us (we the people).. Really, over 200 thousand folks have been or shortly
will be Fired from their jobs this year. Do you think they really give a
hoot about that political mumo jumbo>??
What we do care about is our families financial well being. Not a war, not
whos posturing for the next election or judges. But, rather, can me or ny
child get that badly needed operation.will I be thrown out of my home?, I
guess the repo man will come and get the car.? I gusee we'lkl have to tell
the kids that we can;t help them with their college tuition. ??
Yep..I fel as you all do now..I feel let down. Yep, i bought into the dream
and now, I'm seeing the dream of millions dye slowly everyday. God help us
all. I see the look of utter frustration and dispair and hoplessness inthe
faces of ordinary people. yes, we all are trying to put our best face on
and act as if nothing has changed or better, we act as if we are not affected
by the fleecing. I feel bad for us ordinay Americans, I realy do. We trusted
in a ysytem that promisied "
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| Re: Drumagog [message #63824 is a reply to message #63821] |
Thu, 26 January 2006 10:06 |
Tom Bruhl
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want
>quality health care availability.
>
>The other thing to remember is that if you are like me and almost never
get
>sick, you will be paying etra for the people who get sick alot.
>
>Bill
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>news:C02D05D4.1834%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> So true. If nothing else, we've cornered the market for greed.
>>
>> We're self-employed to, and have either paid more than we could afford,
>> had
>> less coverage than we could afford should something happen, or gone
>> without
>> for most of the past ten years. I pray everyday nothing happens or we'll
>> be
>> done in a heartbeat.
>>
>> I guess that's the new American reality - living one step away from
>> financial catastrophe. Corporations have forgotten who they serve -
>> people
>> - and so has much of our country. Pharmaceutical companies aren't
>> struggling, oil companies post record profits even when a hurricane hits
a
>> home run in their backyard (that's what I call serious insurance),
>> "reality"
>> TV is booming, and more people have to give up health care and go into
>> debt.
>> Webster doesn't need to define the word irony any more.
>>
>> The American dream may eventually become an American tragedy.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 3/2/06 10:18 AM, in article 44071ae9$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@amertitech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's funny :)
>>>
>>> But, the reality is thatbig corporations like Walmart and others are
not
>>> providing heath insurance to it's employees. I'm and independent
>>> Consultant,
>>> and I pay for my familys heath insurance and it's not cheap. It's really
>>> draining the budget. i really don't know how long we can keep this up.
>>> Thank
>>> God no one in the family has been sick or been in a bad accident.
>>>
>>> As well as, I really don't understand people in this country who don't
>>> think
>>> the citizens of this country need a National heath care plan(Aka Free!!)
>>>
>>>
>>> This sick game btw the pharmacuticals and the Heathcare providers and
the
>>> healthinsurance companies who are using "We the people" as pawns for
>>> their
>>> greed and posturing. This can't go on any longer. Too many hard-working
>>> well
>>> meaning Americans are suffering without healthcare coverage.
>>>
>>> On one hand I can understand companies in my neck on the woods ( Motown)
>>> GM, Ford Chrysler who have for decades provided Top Tier health care
for
>>> it's employees and retires. No deductibles, no co pays..Nada ..But the
>>> Big
>>> 3's generosity has been the exception and not the rule of "So-Caled"
>>> Fortune
>>> 500 companies. Who have for years demanded that employees "payout" big
>>> sums
>>> of their income to (Aka: Pay for)pay for healthcare. So, with the Big-3
>>> coming
>>> out stating that it can no longer provide Top Tier Health care any
>>> longer,
>>> they are not just "Blowing-Smoke". They are speaking the truth!!..
>>>
>>> So, what do we do. Do we continue to play the "rich" Republican game
of
>>> stuffing the pockets of Big Bussinees insurance companies?
>>> Who,btw(heathinsureance
>>> companies)swear that they are being fleeced by both the Pharacuticals
and
>>> the Hospitals. Thy, the health insurance industry for years have been
>>> victims
>>> of massive fraud from both small local clinics all the way to your
>>> largest
>>> hospitals. Pharmacuticals compnies charge hositals 5 times the amount
for
>>> a single pill!! Who then pass that cost of a single pill to you and I.
>>> It's maddness of epic porportions. It's got to end.
>>> Most americans are only all castastrophe away from wiping out a families
>>> assett's.
>>>
>>> Yes, my southeren neighbor Canada had a rough start with it's National
>>> Heathcare
>>> system as well as Euroup, but both have never "Re-tracked" the systems
>>> and
>>> both have smoothed out. Is it perfect? No, but is better than the mess
we
>>> have now??
>>>
>>> So, I wish poor working stiffs stop championing the "Rich" societies
>>> causes.
>>> Who's anti heath care rhectoric has been: 'Do you want your goverment"
>>> involved
>>> with healthcare?" Then chuckle(no no)..
>>> In case you missed it, the so-calld middle class is shrinking daily,a
nd
>>> the divide btw rich and others(poor) is the wideset it's ever been in
the
>>> history of our nation. We are being "FLEECED" for the Rich and their
>>> coffers.
>>> Gas prices, home heating, electricity. All time highs. Even more, the
>>> rich
>>> do'nt care.
>>>
>>> There was a time in America where by if you were rich and owned a company
>>> or corporation you felt and obligation to the common working man and
>>> woman.
>>> Now, you got boards in New-York calling the shots. Who's only mission
is
>>> to "Return To Share Holder Value". Well, theirs nothing wrong with RTSV.
>>> It's what free market is all about. it's very American. However, how
much
>>> "Return is Enough"?? At what cost to the working stiffs is this
>>> affecting
>>> their "Quality of Life"?
>>>
>>> Greed is alive and kicking in America. Like the Character in
>>> "Wall-Street"
>>> Gordon Geko: Greed is Good.. However, today their is Too-Much Greed..
And
>>> it's not Good.
>>> LaMont
>>>
>>> "John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A man owned a recording studio in Texas. The Texas Wage & Hour Dept.
>>>> claimed
>>>> he was not paying proper wages to his help. They sent an agent out to
>>>> interview
>>>> & investigate the accusations.
>>>> Upon arrival at the studio the agents demanded, "We need a list of your
>>> employees
>>>> and how much you pay them,"
>>>> The studio owner replied, "There's my main engineer who's been with
me
>>>> for
>>>> 3 years. I pay him $800 a week plus benefits."
>>>> The studio manager has been here for 18 months, "I pay her $500 per
week
>>>> plus benefits".
>>>> Then there's the half-wit who works here about 18 hours every day and
>>>> does
>>>> about 90% of all the work around here. He makes $10 per week, and I
buy
>>> him
>>>> a bottle of bourbon every Saturday night."
>>>> "That's the guy I want to talk to - the half-wit," says the agent.
>>>> "That would be me," replied the studio owner.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>"cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote:
>I will say it was almost "Generic"
>in a very slick way.
"Generic" isn't always a bad thing... If you're recording a
band that has other instruments (keys, or some acoustic
guitars for example), and really featuires the vocals more than
anything, something really good-sounding, yet "generic", can be
perfect for what you need, as it won't tend to step on
everything else you've got going on.
NeilFree isn't necessarily the need - just affordable. If I can't afford health
insurance, how can I afford health care? When my wife had our daughter in
May last year, a simple IbuProfren/Tylenol was $25, for one, not a case.
For sure, doctors should be paid for a very demanding and life-critical job,
but we aren't talking about reasonable and customary - we are talking
defense contract bilking absurdities that, if properly and reasonably
managed, could in fact reduce health care costs significantly. Instead
everyone in the industry - insurance companies, hospitals, pharmaceutical
companies, etc - are fighting each other in a vicious circle to stay ahead
of each others' "costs". Who is in the middle? Us. The consumer, the US
citizen, the patient.
You are right that we pay for it either way, but right now, we are paying
for a free health care system and a paid health care system and getting
neither. Most people can't afford it, so Medicaid and Medicare are
absorbing probably 50% of the costs charged to health care.
The more you charge, the more you charge seems to be the motto in this and
many other industries now. The real disease is in how we think as a
culture, not how the government operates - it's so easy to blame the
government for everything from hurricanes to a paycheck that doesn't meet
expectations. However, people run these companies. People make the
decisions. Not "the man", but "the people". Get the people on the right
track and everything else falls into place, government included - actually
that should never be first on anyone's list of reasons for their state in
life - it's a bad place to be as "government" will never make anyone truly
happy or secure.
Regards,
Dedric
On 3/2/06 9:36 PM, in article 4407c92c@linux, "Bill Lorentzen"
<bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote:
> In this thread some of you have wished we had "free" health care like other
> nations. You do realize there is no such thing as free health care? You
> would pay for it in your taxes, and remember this: Anything the government
> gives you costs twice as much and works 1/2 as well as if you bought it from
> another plain old citizen. I don't want national health coverage - I want
> quality health care availability.
>
> The other thing to remember is that if you are like me and almost never get
> sick, you will be paying etra for the people who get sick alot.
>
> Bill
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
> news:C02D05D4.1834%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> So true. If nothing else, we've cornered the market for greed.
>>
>> We're self-employed to, and have either paid more than we could afford,
>> had
>> less coverage than we could afford should something happen, or gone
>> without
>> for most of the past ten years. I pray everyday nothing happens or we'll
>> be
>> done in a heartbeat.
>>
>> I guess that's the new American reality - living one step away from
>> financial catastrophe. Corporations have forgotten who they serve -
>> people
>> - and so has much of our country. Pharmaceutical companies aren't
>> struggling, oil companies post record profits even when a hurricane hits a
>> home run in their backyard (that's what I call serious insurance),
>> "reality"
>> TV is booming, and more people have to give up health care and go into
>> debt.
>> Webster doesn't need to define the word irony any more.
>>
>> The American dream may eventually become an American tragedy.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 3/2/06 10:18 AM, in article 44071ae9$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@amertitech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's funny :)
>>>
>>> But, the reality is thatbig corporations like Walmart and others are not
>>> providing heath insurance to it's employees. I'm and independent
>>> Consultant,
>>> and I pay for my familys heath insurance and it's not cheap. It's really
>>> draining the budget. i really don't know how long we can keep this up.
>>> Thank
>>> God no one in the family has been sick or been in a bad accident.
>>>
>>> As well as, I really don't understand people in this country who don't
>>> think
>>> the citizens of this country need a National heath care plan(Aka Free!!)
>>>
>>>
>>> This sick game btw the pharmacuticals and the Heathcare providers and the
>>> healthinsurance companies who are using "We the people" as pawns for
>>> their
>>> greed and posturing. This can't go on any longer. Too many hard-working
>>> well
>>> meaning Americans are suffering without healthcare coverage.
>>>
>>> On one hand I can understand companies in my neck on the woods ( Motown)
>>> GM, Ford Chrysler who have for decades provided Top Tier health care for
>>> it's employees and retires. No deductibles, no co pays..Nada ..But the
>>> Big
>>> 3's generosity has been the exception and not the rule of "So-Caled"
>>> Fortune
>>> 500 companies. Who have for years demanded that employees "payout" big
>>> sums
>>> of their income to (Aka: Pay for)pay for healthcare. So, with the Big-3
>>> coming
>>> out stating that it can no longer provide Top Tier Health care any
>>> longer,
>>> they are not just "Blowing-Smoke". They are speaking the truth!!..
>>>
>>> So, what do we do. Do we continue to play the "rich" Republican game of
>>> stuffing the pockets of Big Bussinees insurance companies?
>>> Who,btw(heathinsureance
>>> companies)swear that they are being fleeced by both the Pharacuticals and
>>> the Hospitals. Thy, the health insurance industry for years have been
>>> victims
>>> of massive fraud from both small local clinics all the way to your
>>> largest
>>> hospitals. Pharmacuticals compnies charge hositals 5 times the amount for
>>> a single pill!! Who then pass that cost of a single pill to you and I.
>>> It's maddness of epic porportions. It's got to end.
>>> Most americans are only all castastrophe away from wiping out a families
>>> assett's.
>>>
>>> Yes, my southeren neighbor Canada had a rough start with it's National
>>> Heathcare
>>> system as well as Euroup, but both have never "Re-tracked" the systems
>>> and
>>> both have smoothed out. Is it perfect? No, but is better than the mess we
>>> have now??
>>>
>>> So, I wish poor working stiffs stop championing the "Rich" societies
>>> causes.
>>> Who's anti heath care rhectoric has been: 'Do you want your goverment"
>>> involved
>>> with healthcare?" Then chuckle(no no)..
>>> In case you missed it, the so-calld middle class is shrinking daily,a nd
>>> the divide btw rich and others(poor) is the wideset it's ever been in the
>>> history of our nation. We are being "FLEECED" for the Rich and their
>>> coffers.
>>> Gas prices, home heating, electricity. All time highs. Even more, the
>>> rich
>>> do'nt care.
>>>
>>> There was a time in America where by if you were rich and owned a company
>>> or corporation you felt and obligation to the common working man and
>>> woman.
>>> Now, you got boards in New-York calling the shots. Who's only mission is
>>> to "Return To Share Holder Value". Well, theirs nothing wrong with RTSV.
>>> It's what free market is all about. it's very American. However, how much
>>> "Return is Enough"?? At what cost to the working stiffs is this
>>> affecting
>>> their "Quality of Life"?
>>>
>>> Greed is alive and kicking in America. Like the Character in
>>> "Wall-Street"
>>> Gordon Geko: Greed is Good.. However, today their is Too-Much Greed.. And
>>> it's not Good.
>>> LaMont
>>>
>>> "John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A man owned a recording studio in Texas. The Texas Wage & Hour Dept.
>>>> claimed
>>>> he was not paying proper wages to his help. They sent an agent out to
>>>> interview
>>>> & investigate the accusations.
>>>> Upon arrival at the studio the agents demanded, "We need a list of your
>>> employees
>>>> and how much you pay them,"
>>>> The studio owner replied, "There's my main engineer who's been with me
>>>> for
>>>> 3 years. I pay him $800 a week plus benefits."
>>>> The studio manager has been here for 18 months, "I pay her $500 per week
>>>> plus benefits".
>>>> Then there's the half-wit who works here about 18 hours every day and
>>>> does
>>>> about 90% of all the work around here. He makes $10 per week, and I buy
>>> him
>>>> a bottle of bourbon every Saturday night."
>>>> "That's the guy I want to talk to - the half-wit," says the agent.
>>>> "That would be me," replied the studio owner.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Your points are good, but I think I may be seeing it from a different side
of the same box:
It isn't government that is to blame - that's too easy - it's our culture
and who we are as people. People run businesses. People work in
government. People listen to the noise and think it's the gospel truth.
Without stopping the vicious cycle of greed, raising prices to clear more
profit on top of someone else's attempts to do the same (insurance vs. drug
companies vs. medical community), costs will continue to spiral upward. The
only solution is for everyone to take a hit in the profit margin and agree
to meet the broadest standard of living of the country, not the most
profitable.
All of the social issues are also distractions we create and allow. Sure
politicians harp on them,
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| Re: Drumagog [message #63826 is a reply to message #63821] |
Thu, 26 January 2006 10:21 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
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red the market for greed.
>>
>> We're self-employed to, and have either paid more than we could afford,
> had
>> less coverage than we could afford should something happen, or gone without
>> for most of the past ten years. I pray everyday nothing happens or we'll
> be
>> done in a heartbeat.
>>
>> I guess that's the new American reality - living one step away from
>> financial catastrophe. Corporations have forgotten who they serve - people
>> - and so has much of our country. Pharmaceutical companies aren't
>> struggling, oil companies post record profits even when a hurricane hits
> a
>> home run in their backyard (that's what I call serious insurance), "reality"
>> TV is booming, and more people have to give up health care and go into debt.
>> Webster doesn't need to define the word irony any more.
>>
>> The American dream may eventually become an American tragedy.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 3/2/06 10:18 AM, in article 44071ae9$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@amertitech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's funny :)
>>>
>>> But, the reality is thatbig corporations like Walmart and others are not
>>> providing heath insurance to it's employees. I'm and independent Consultant,
>>> and I pay for my familys heath insurance and it's not cheap. It's really
>>> draining the budget. i really don't know how long we can keep this up.
> Thank
>>> God no one in the family has been sick or been in a bad accident.
>>>
>>> As well as, I really don't understand people in this country who don't
> think
>>> the citizens of this country need a National heath care plan(Aka Free!!)
>>>
>>>
>>> This sick game btw the pharmacuticals and the Heathcare providers and
> the
>>> healthinsurance companies who are using "We the people" as pawns for their
>>> greed and posturing. This can't go on any longer. Too many hard-working
> well
>>> meaning Americans are suffering without healthcare coverage.
>>>
>>> On one hand I can understand companies in my neck on the woods ( Motown)
>>> GM, Ford Chrysler who have for decades provided Top Tier health care for
>>> it's employees and retires. No deductibles, no co pays..Nada ..But the
> Big
>>> 3's generosity has been the exception and not the rule of "So-Caled" Fortune
>>> 500 companies. Who have for years demanded that employees "payout" big
> sums
>>> of their income to (Aka: Pay for)pay for healthcare. So, with the Big-3
> coming
>>> out stating that it can no longer provide Top Tier Health care any longer,
>>> they are not just "Blowing-Smoke". They are speaking the truth!!..
>>>
>>> So, what do we do. Do we continue to play the "rich" Republican game
> of
>>> stuffing the pockets of Big Bussinees insurance companies?
>>> Who,btw(heathinsureance
>>> companies)swear that they are being fleeced by both the Pharacuticals
> and
>>> the Hospitals. Thy, the health insurance industry for years have been
> victims
>>> of massive fraud from both small local clinics all the way to your largest
>>> hospitals. Pharmacuticals compnies charge hositals 5 times the amount
> for
>>> a single pill!! Who then pass that cost of a single pill to you and I.
>>> It's maddness of epic porportions. It's got to end.
>>> Most americans are only all castastrophe away from wiping out a families
>>> assett's.
>>>
>>> Yes, my southeren neighbor Canada had a rough start with it's National
>>> Heathcare
>>> system as well as Euroup, but both have never "Re-tracked" the systems
> and
>>> both have smoothed out. Is it perfect? No, but is better than the mess
> we
>>> have now??
>>>
>>> So, I wish poor working stiffs stop championing the "Rich" societies causes.
>>> Who's anti heath care rhectoric has been: 'Do you want your goverment"
>>> involved
>>> with healthcare?" Then chuckle(no no)..
>>> In case you missed it, the so-calld middle class is shrinking daily,a
> nd
>>> the divide btw rich and others(poor) is the wideset it's ever been in
> the
>>> history of our nation. We are being "FLEECED" for the Rich and their
> coffers.
>>> Gas prices, home heating, electricity. All time highs. Even more, the
> rich
>>> do'nt care.
>>>
>>> There was a time in America where by if you were rich and owned a company
>>> or corporation you felt and obligation to the common working man and woman.
>>> Now, you got boards in New-York calling the shots. Who's only mission
> is
>>> to "Return To Share Holder Value". Well, theirs nothing wrong with RTSV.
>>> It's what free market is all about. it's very American. However, how much
>>> "Return is Enough"?? At what cost to the working stiffs is this affecting
>>> their "Quality of Life"?
>>>
>>> Greed is alive and kicking in America. Like the Character in "Wall-Street"
>>> Gordon Geko: Greed is Good.. However, today their is Too-Much Greed..
> And
>>> it's not Good.
>>> LaMont
>>>
>>> "John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A man owned a recording studio in Texas. The Texas Wage & Hour Dept.
> claimed
>>>> he was not paying proper wages to his help. They sent an agent out to
>>>> interview
>>>> & investigate the accusations.
>>>> Upon arrival at the studio the agents demanded, "We need a list of your
>>> employees
>>>> and how much you pay them,"
>>>> The studio owner replied, "There's my main engineer who's been with me
> for
>>>> 3 years. I pay him $800 a week plus benefits."
>>>> The studio manager has been here for 18 months, "I pay her $500 per week
>>>> plus benefits".
>>>> Then there's the half-wit who works here about 18 hours
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| Re: Drumagog [message #63828 is a reply to message #63826] |
Thu, 26 January 2006 12:39 |
Paul
Messages: 14
Registered: June 2005
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Junior Member |
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nk">1@linux...
>> a Mesa Boogie Tremoverb 2 x 12 combo amp.
>>
>> What were your thoughts impressions??
>>
>> A little research shows that this is versatile, well-loved amp (even among
>> owners of a wide range of styles).
>>
>> p.s. i hope no-one minds such an off topic post.
>>
>>
>
>Oh now you got me wondering,
I bet this thing would be a killer keyboard amp.
"cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>Liek I said the shrill tube sound may have beem that this one was bad somewhere
>(not the tubes), but we couldnever get rid of it, and really came out in
>the studio.
>The build quality over all is solid. It has a depth to it I liked, and yeah
>I guess for certain thin
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| Re: Drumagog [message #63830 is a reply to message #63824] |
Thu, 26 January 2006 12:11 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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e and read this that i posted at the MARSH.
>>
>>see if my amp might need serviced. i just bought it used for cheap.
>>
>>http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php3?t=61629
>>
>>
>>jer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Jeremy Luzier" <j.luzier@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:4407b88f$1@linux...
>>> a Mesa Boogie Tremoverb 2 x 12 combo amp.
>>>
>>> What were your thoughts impressions??
>>>
>>> A little research shows that this is versatile, well-loved amp (even
among
>>> owners of a wide range of styles).
>>>
>>> p.s. i hope no-one minds such an off topic post.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>heheheh Phil Clavin!
"Phil Aiken" <paiken@partners.org> wrote:
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>Having had more than my share of experience with hospitals and the
>>healthcare system in the last few years, I can guarantee you that the
>>hospitals are charging higher rates to the insurance companies than they
>>charge to individuals who are not covered by insurance, or whose policies
>>don't cover the procedures.
>
> Other way around, actually.
> Most insurance companies pay either based on DRG, or capitation, loosely
>meaning respectively that they pay a flat rate per patient either by diagnosis,
>or a flat rate per patient seen regardless of treatment or diag. This amounts
>in either case to much less money than itemized treatment.
> It is true that uncovered patient's care is supplemented either by Free
>Care or Welfare. There is a certain pool of money available to hospitals
>for Free Care. It behooves them to get paid by Free Care as opposed to billing
>the patient, though they are paid pennies on the dollar, as the amount of
>bad debt that gets written off to individuals is a pretty high percentage.
>
>There are more hospitals losing money than making money right now.
>
> If I'm sounding like the Cliff Clavin of health care:
> When I'm not playing piano and recording I'm a software engineer for the
>parent corporation of 2 of the largest hospitals in the U.S.
>
>
>Dedric, As per usuall, your points are on point and really speaks to the issues
and ills of our nation and the world.
Thanks for your very heart-felt replys
LaMont
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Your points are good, but I think I may be seeing it from a different side
>of the same box:
>
>It isn't government that is to blame - that's too easy - it's our culture
>and who we are as people. People run businesses. People work in
>government. People listen to the noise and think it's the gospel truth.
>Without stopping the vicious cycle of greed, raising prices to clear more
>profit on top of someone else's attempts to do the same (insurance vs. drug
>companies vs. medical community), costs will continue to spiral upward.
The
>only solution is for everyone to take a hit in the profit margin and agree
>to meet the broadest standard of living of the country, not the most
>profitable.
>
>All of the social issues are also distractions we create and allow. Sure
>politicians harp on them, but why? Because the people who put them in
>office - voters and special interest groups with a loud voices and voter
>sway - spend time keeping their pet issues in the public's ear, whether
they
>really need attention or not. So we hear what politicians think will get
>them elected, and we vote based on that. We also spend personal time
>concerned with issues that aren't going to save starving people in 3rd world
>countries. It's the case of "my problem is my world" instead of "it's our
>world, maybe my problem isn't a big deal after all". A free market,
>consumer based society unfortunately breeds a self centered mentality, and
>hence we get greed increasing daily. If we were a people of community/world
>mindedness and true selfless action, we would probably be having a very
>different, more optimistic conversation. Just think what we could be doing
>for countries like Sudan and Ethiopia if we were that kind of nation.
>
>Unions at times have had their place - for underpaid laborers in countries
>or businesses with poor or no safety and wage laws and ethics. But having
>worked in businesses with unions, and seen how they operate in other
>businesses, they aren't always the common-good protectors they once may
have
>seemed. They have a very strong political presence, needless to say, and
it
>isn't all about better wages for $40/hr assembly line workers that pay
>significant dues for the right. E.g. In Massachusetts, a police or highway
>patrol officer is required by law (passed due to efforts from law
>enforcement unions) to be present at every construction site, accruing
>off-duty pay - often triple time as much work there is done overnight and
>weekends. One police chief in a local town made 6 figures - over twice
his
>salary - simply for sitting at a road construction sites, even if it was
in
>a one-house cul-de-sac with no traffic to direct (and they never do anyway).
>Who pays for this? Tax payers in higher income, gas, and sales taxes, and
>road tolls, even for roads that are paid for.
>
>There was no proven safety need and actually is often causes more traffic
>problems than it solves as they are just sitting in cars with lights
>flashing - it was well know that it was just a union perk. When
>organizations truly work for the common good, then their value is
>self-evident. But when the purpose is to bully one another until someone
>cries uncle, that purpose is diminished to nothing more than a power
>struggle.
>
>I see your point for sure - abusing labor is inexcusable, but abusing the
>power of an organization is equally as inexcusable. Until the greed stops,
>the bleeding will continue. None of this would be necessary if we had half
>an ounce of integrity as a people.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 3/2/06 11:23 PM, in article 4407d2ca$1@linux, "LaMont"
><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Well put my friend.Well put..
>>
>> The Irony of this great American tragedy is that "everyone" in this country
>> is acting as if nothing's haapening to our way o
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