ists > >> and not into drugs, socialism and free love). A lot of the friends of > my > >> Mexican friends were going to European universities and I met quite a > few > >of > >> them and quite a few of their european friends who were my age and would > >> travel with them on holiday. We became well acquainted and we shared a > lot > >> in common with our political philosophies which were becoming increasing > >> leftist-leaning. It is ironic that the children of priviledge were the > >ones > >> who most despised the systems that allowed them those priviledges. > >> > >> In early 1970 I moved to Los Angeles because I wanted to get away from > >> Texas, go to school out there and be a part of the California scene. My > >> uncle was a business partn
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er with a big television star from Texas, had > a > >> big house and invited me to live with them while I established myself. > >> During the time I was there, I met quite a few of the folks in the film > >and > >> music industry and their kids. > >> Some of these kids are now known as part of the > >> *Hollywood elite* and are very active and outspoken > >> members of the leftist political scene in this country. > >> I also started getting a sense of discomfort with the drug culture that > >was > >> going on, but was still cool because it was so integrated with the rest > of > >> the anarchistic counter culture. This is where my beliefs in > >> non-judgementalism were beginning to be severely challenged. The decadence > >> was so unbelievable that it was obviously hurting people, but it wasn't > >cool > >> to talk about it. A bunch of the kids I was hanging out with knew some > >> people that called themselves *The Family*. I even went out to the ranch > >> where some of were still living while Charles Manson, their leader, was > in > >> jail on a multiple murder charges and I partied with them. One of my > >cousins > >> had dated one of the
m, a guy from McKinney Texas named Tex Watson who > had > >> murdered people. There were some of the wierdest, scariest people you > can > >> imagine but even despite stuff like this, no one in the Hollywood > >> *counterculture* was willing to believe that some aspects of their > >lifestyle > >> might not be so great. Non-judgmentalism was sooooooo *uncool*. > >> > >> I continued to participate as as activist in all of the *causes du jour* > I > >> supported gay rights and the *women's movement* (I loved the moving women) > >> and celebrated when birth control pills became available and abortions > >> became legal. I was active in the democratic party, watched as the various > >> power brokers emerged in that party to *take care of* the Afro American > >> citizens > >> and Mexican American farm workers. I had been gassed in anti-war protests > >> and had my feet firmly planted in the *hate America* movement. > >> > >> Anyway, by 1973 I had graduated from my college studies with a major > >degree > >> in political science with minor studies in psychology and economics. This > >> liberal arts education didn't really qualify me for any kind of career > >path > >> but I was young, invincible, resourceful and I figured if I knew my way > >> around these things, I could pretty much make my way in the world. > >> > >> The first thing I did was to take some time and go back down to Mexico. > I &
home in Austin after one of my trips to Zipolite and we watched the events > >> unfold at Tienamen Square on television. They were having some bad drug > >> problems even then. They are both kind, intelligent victims of the social > >> experiment that is > >> happening there. > >> > >> http://www.greatvavavoom.com/stories/storyReader$56 > >> > >> This link is also descriptive of how this place has evolved and what > the > >> place was like the last time I was there. > >> > >> http://community-2.webtv.net/ivanjay/IVANJSNAVELYHOMEPORT/ > >> > >> more to come...... > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Doug > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "derek" <derekvonkrogh@gmx.net> wrote in message news:42d45df1@linux... > >> > > >> > maybe im missing the irony or some linguistic fineprint, > >> > but as far as im concerned, doug, no i dont understand you. > >> > reading the stereotype BS you spread, im frankly shocked, > >> > thats pretty much all there is to it. i definetly dont recognize you. > >> > > >> > maybe its because im a european hypocrite sitting on my ass or > >something. > >> > cause thats the way we are, we "euros", right? > >> > > >> > *shakes head in disbelief* > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote: > >> >
;> It really frustrates me that as I look around those events, > >> > >> >> >politically, > >> > >> >> >> >>> every country pretty much seemed to be in it for their > own > >> > >agenda, > >> > >> >> and > >> > >> >> >> >not > >> > >> >> >> >>> for peace. Indeed the same could be said for much of the > >> public. > >> > >> It > >> > >> >> >was > >> > >> >> >> >>obviouly > >> > >> >> >> >>> sold as anti-terror because GWB & co didn't think "free > >Iraq > >> > >from > >> > >> >> >tyranny" > >> > >> >> >> >>> would sell because, simply put, a lot of the public don't > >> seem > >> > >> to > >> > >> >> care > >> > >> >> >> >if > >> > >> >> >> >>> others in some other country miles away suffer, so you > have > >> > to > >> > >> tell > >> > >> >> >them > >> > >> >> >> >>> that Iraq pose a threat. See, if GWB hadn't lied about > that > >> > I > >> > >> >*almost* > >> > >> >> >> >>would > >> > >> >> >> >>> have been on his side... though I still couldn't have > >> stomached > >> > >> >that > >> > >> >> >> >as > >> > >> >> >> >>> he was, to my mind, clearly in it for the oil. I think > if > >the > >> > >U.S. > >> > >> >> had > >> > >> >> >> >>waited > >> > >> >> >> >>> a little longer, and put a little more pressue on the U.N. > >> that > >> > >> >> >eventually > >> > >> >> >> >>> the U.N. would have gotten more behind it. I think GWB > & co > > > >> > >> >actually > >> > >> >> >> >>*didn't > >> > >> >> >> >>> want* the U.N. behind them, because by going alone they > >could > >> > be > >> > >> in > >> > >> >> >> >>charge, > >
; >> >>> > >> > >> >> >> >>> This London thing is screwed. > >> > >> >> >> >>> > >> > >> >> >> >>> And I forgot my lunch this morning. DOH! > >> > >> >> >> >>> > >> > >> >> >> >>> And now we've got a political thread on the main group. > DOH > >> > >DOH!! > >> > >> >> >> >>> > >> > >> >> >> >>> Cheers, > >> > >> >> >> >>> Kim. > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > ><br /
gt; wrong and when I would ask my father about it, he would excuse it, but >> I >> >> couldn't accept this. I became very rebellous and a what is called >here, >> a >> >> *problem child* >> >> >> >> By 1965, this pissed off 15 year old kid was playing in a band that was >> >> fortunate (or unfortunate) enough to be recognized in a fairly large >> >> regional market. By the time I was 17 years old we were opening shows >> for >> >> touring acts. Our roadies were a bunch of disillusioned ex VietNam Vets >> >who >> >> were majorly into drugs (especially asian varieies of pot and also >opiates >> >> and LSD/hallucenogens) and the emerging drug/anti war counterculture >> and >> >> our management were a bunch of old school hollywood type entertainment >> >> industry scumbags who would exploit their own mother if it would make >> them >> >> $$$. They had no problem keeping a bunch of young kids tweaked on >> >> amphetamines to make sure they were *up for the gig*. >> >> >> >> By 1968, I had somehow managed to graduate from high school and had >been >> >> accepted to a number of universities. My folks were willing to do what >> >they >> >> could to help and I knew I couldn't sustain the music career (which was >> >less >> >> a career and more like a party) and conti
non-judgmentalism and defiance of the rule of law/politial >anarchism. >> >> >> >> While I was in school, I ran into a few old acquaintances. They were >the >> >> rich children of some of the people my dad had been doing business with >> in >> >> Mexico. They were going to universtity in the states and were, like me, >> >> angry, into the counterculture and we renewed our friendships. I >started >> >> going down to Mexico with them on school holidays and we would travel >> to >> >> places which were pretty unbelievable. Like paradises which were mostly >> >> untouched by human beings (except of course, the local Indians, who >were >> >not >> >> really considered to be human by anyone, including these *enlightened* >> >young >> >> Mexican revolutionaries-the Indians weren't cool. They were >> >traditionalists >> >> and not into drugs, socialism and free love). A lot of the friends of >> my >> >> Mexican friends were going to European universities and I met quite a >> few >> >of >> >> them and quite a few of their european friends who were my age and >would >> >> travel with them on holiday. We became well acquainted and we shared a >> lot >> >> in common with our political philosophies which were becoming >increasing >> >> leftist-leaning. It is ironic that the children of priviledge were the >> >ones >> >> who most despised the systems that allowed them those priviledges. >> >> >> >> In early 1970 I moved to Los Angeles because I wanted to get away from >> >> Texas, go to school out there and be a part of the California scene. My >> >> uncle was a business partner with a big television star from Texas, had >> a >> >> big house and invited me to live with them while I established myself. >> >> During the time I was there, I met quite a few of the folks in the film<
;> >> might not be so great. Non-judgmentalism was sooooooo *uncool*. >> >> >> >> I continued to participate as as activist in all of the *causes du >jour* >> I >> >> supported gay rights and the *women's movement* (I loved the moving >women) >> >> and celebrated when birth control pills became available and abortions >> >> became legal. I was active in the democratic party, watched as the >various >> >> power brokers emerged in that party to *take care of* the Afro American >> >> citizens >> >> and Mexican American farm workers. I had been gassed in anti-war >protests >> >> and had my feet firmly planted in the *hate America* movement. >> >> >> >> Anyway, by 1973 I had graduated from my college studies with a major >> >degree >> >> in political science with minor studies in psychology and economics. >This >> >> liberal arts education didn't really qualify me for any kind of career >> >path >> >> but I was young, invincible, resourceful and I figured if I knew my >way >> >> around these things, I could pretty much make my way in the world. >> >> >> >> The first thing I did was to take some time and go back down to Mexico. >> I >> >> didn't want to be part of America anymore and I had seen a place during >> my >> >> travels down there where I thought I might be happy. It was a deserted >> >place >> >> with a *feeling* about it. I can't describe it, but others who I have >> met >> >> there who are more travelled than I am tell me they feel the same kind >> of >> >> *energy* there that they have felt in places like Jerusalem, Katmandhu, >> >> Mecca and other locations which are considered to be religious >> >destinations. >> >> In 1973, it was just a deserted beach with a little store owned by a >> >Zapotec >> >> Indian named Ramon Aguilar Villalobos and this exended family, two of >> >which >> >> were his in-laws, Manuel and Maria who basically founded this small >> >village >> >> back in the early 20th century and were very old. I spent a good part >> of >> >my >> >> life in this place and lived with this family during those times from >> 1973 >> >> until 1990. Unfortunately, this place is nothing like it used to be and >> >now >> >> even has websites dedicated to it, but I guess that's part of the story >> >> about thie place. >> &
d to get real >proactive >> >> > with >> >> > >> >their >> >> > >> >> >own. There's some pretty Hitlerian dialog going on in Holland >> >these >> >> > >days >> >> > >> >> >about how to clean up the *Islamic problem*. It's funny about >> how >> >> > the >> >> > >> >Euro's >> >> > >> >> >whine and bitch about how unfair and awful war is, then when >> the >> >> chips >> >> > >> >are >> >> > >> >> >down.......bingo!!!!!! let's sit around on our collective >asses >> >and >> >> > >watch >> >> > >> >> >the Serbs dio a little ethnic housekeeping........oh shit!!!! >> >> > >> >.......those >> >> > >> >> >meddling Americans came along and saved the Muslims and >spoiled >> >all >> >> > >our >> >> > >> >> >fun.............but hell, let's go visit our buddy Sadaam and >> >pick >> >> > up >> >> > >> a >> >> > >> >> few >> >> > >> >> >million barrells of oil while we're there. Those kids who are >> >dying >> >> > of >> >> > >> >> >starvation and disease due to our turning a blind eye to his >> >> > >violations >> >> > >> >> of >> >> > >> >> >UN sanctions won't care. Hell, they're too busy swatting the >> >flies >> >> > off >> >> > >> >their >> >> > >> >> >festering wounds and running to the crapper with >> >> disentery.........and >> >> > >> >just >> >> > >> >> >maybe while we're there we get lucky in a rape room. Whaddaya >> say >> >> > >guys? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >The hypocracy is just unbelievable. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message >news:42cf19b3$1@linux... >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Your whole line of thought, if correct - especially your 3rd >> & >> >> > >> >> >> 4th paragraphs - would mean that Bush is one of the most >evil >> >> > >> >> >> sonsofbeeatches ever to walk the face of the earth. I find >> it >> >> > >> >> >> hard to believe that in ANY free society, that could be the >> >> > >> >> >> case. Dictatorships, yeah, free societies, nah. >> >> &g