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Re: Studio Pics 4
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description: /> >>>room too - maybe that's more of it). >>> >>>I realize many of the older tracks were this way because of physical track >>>and time limitations that prohibited filling up of every sonic niche, but >>>it got me to wondering whether the current practice of stereo recording >> sources >>>may be contributing also once certain track thresholds are reached. >>> >>>... and along with that thought - have any of you purposefully attempted >>>to track more sources in mono to reduce t
creator: Tom Bruhl
date: 2008-11-01T14:26:07-00:00

Re: Studio Pics 4
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description: he sonic footprint? Do you >>>intentionally >>>force yourself to work with fewer tracks? >>> >>>I guess at base I'm wondering if tracking multiple sources in stereo vs. >>>mono can contribute to mixes that in aggregate are harder to listen to. >>> >>> >>> >> > >Oops. Posted a non-message. One of the things that I think a lot about these days is that my job as a recording engineer seems to have become that of polishing turds. Many of my clients fall into the category of "maybe you should go home and practice for a year or two and come back and try again" but, because the technology allows us to compensate for so many musical short-comings (and because I need the $$$!!!), we are expected to perform miracles. The problem is that someone who can't play good, consiste
creator: Tom Bruhl
date: 2008-11-01T14:26:58-00:00

Re: Studio Pics 4
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description: t was something like >> 2.something milliseconds for one signal trip through mixing engine and >> converters >> (=what you hear when you track a signal). >> > >1.5mSec round trip is what BT came up to. > >You could always open it up and hard-bypass the volume control by removing the slider and adding a jumper (if a replacement part can't be found). Just jumper it full out. David. Stephen Stecyk wrote: > Just curious if anybody knows of a soft synth out
creator: Don Nafe
date: 2008-11-01T15:10:49-00:00

Studio Pics 4
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description: ed "derek" <a@b.com> wrote: > >i see, The Summing Issue it is :-) > >as you might remember, i sailed on that ship quite a few >years too, and i know exactly what youre talking about. >having said that though, of course there is no magic >to the paris sound, its just a combination of things if you ask me: > >1. simple, straightforward clipping and truncating >2. the ensoniq converters and their awesome coloring >(a longtime ensoniq virtue, i.e. also the ASR and ASRX samplers >sounded simply amazing whatever you threw at them) >3. the fact that you run a mix using only nice ensoniq >algorithms (and boy, did they have a hand for good sounding >yet simple effect algorithms) >4. (often underestimated) the "direct" feel of the low >latency interface and (here comes the only thing i would >give ID credit for and not ensoniq) the smart mouse behaviour >when i.e. dragging eq values. oh, and the interface and >its color does help too. > > >thats pretty much it. and while it is a bunch of stuff, its >a. nothing that cant be done elsewhere and >b. no summing rocket science. actually the mere summing >of paris is quite normal, easily testable with the >usual phase cancellation tests im sure we all have done. >so after years of limiting myself to paris because of the >supposedly magic sound character, it really didnt take me >very long to get right back to this point with another system. >i color my stuff with my pres (and i kept some ensoniq AD/DAs >around for a while), i have a million ways of clipping, >i only use nice plugins (doh!) and with todays machines, >latency isnt an issue anymore. my dual quad machine lets me open many times >more stuff than a fully expanded paris would do while >running at 1.5ms latency. > > >so, speaking longterm and sound quality only, for a list of things that can >really can be had elsewhere >too if you invest a little time, you give up so many other things >that have a true impact on sound, like proper grouping, >sample precise latency correcti…
creator: Ted Gerber
date: 2008-11-01T15:11:56-00:00

Re: Studio Pics 4
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description: gt;>>>intentionally >>>>force yourself to work with fewer tracks? >>>> >>>>I guess at base I'm wondering if tracking multiple sources in stereo vs. >>>>mono can contribute to mixes that in aggregate are harder to listen to. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >yup, here it is, copied from the post "round trip via Mec 24 bit is 60 samples or 1.36 ms at 44.1 or 1.25 ms at 48k Total record and monitor path 24 bit in to 24 bit out is 66 samples or 1.5 ms at 44.1 or 1.375 ms at 48k" Rod "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: > >"derek" <a@b.com> wrote in message news:4961e7eb$1@linux... > >> >> there is no such thing as zero latency. of course paris >> has a latency, i dont remember the measurements exactly but they >> circled around this NG too. i think i
creator: Ted Gerber
date: 2008-11-01T16:23:37-00:00

Re: Studio Pics 4
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description: there that emulates > this particular keyboard. Threre's a patch that I would like to use, > but the volume slider is dirty, and no mater how much I've attempt to > clean it, it adds a "scratchy" background sound, which I obviously do > not want. > > Thanks a bunch! > > Stephen >i would go even further and argue that even "ease of use" >can make a difference in sound. in paris, how many times had i >thought to myself "do i give myself the headache of >a drum submix compression through the aux bus? or do i need >it to be compressed by some other compressor, so do i do a submix >now? am i ready for that to be submixed at all?" and then sometimes going >through with it >(taking a lot of time), sometimes not because of the amount >of work involved. in a modern system, its a no
creator: Ted Gerber
date: 2008-11-01T16:37:12-00:00

Re: Studio Pics 4
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description: brainer. >you just do it when your engineer instinct demands it, >and you choose the compressor with the characteristics you >need on the spot, and if you then think that the compression >stresses the basedrum a bit too much, you simply move >that fader. all that results in good sound. I would have to agree with you on that one >or using UAD. come on, how often have you thought "am i really >willing to go through this whole manual latency compensation >business for just that one more UAD effect"? on a modern >system, a no brainer. you just open the plugin you want to >open. While I agree that auto latency compenstaion is a no brainer, for me the manual thing is almost automatic anyway. for a UAD plug, 4 clicks on the 100 button and click on my appropriate sample slide preset. Drum tracks across submixes, same thing, except I have a little note on my sample slide preset reminding me to move it 1 or 2 ms. I'm used to it, and never have the thought you mentioned. I know others use the faderworks and like that alot also.Derek... I gotcha. BTW, FWIW, your recent posts look STAGGERINGLY familiar to some posts I made few years back when I bailed on paris for the Native world... welcome to the D
creator: Don Nafe
date: 2008-11-01T16:48:35-00:00

Re: Studio Pics 4
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description: > >>> On 1/5/09 8:54 PM, in article 4962d602$1@linux, "Neil" <OIOIU@oiu.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Derek... I gotcha. BTW, FWIW, your recent posts look >>>> STAGGERINGLY familiar to some posts I made few years back when >>>> I bailed on paris for the Native world... welcome to the Dark >>>> Side, my Jedi friend. lol >>>> >>>> ;) >>>> >>>> Neil >>>> >>>> >>>> "derek" <a@b.com> wrote: >>>>> "Neil" <OIUIOU@OUI.com> wrote: >>>>> heck, maybe this is what you're >>>>>> doing already, for all I know. :) >>>>> >>>>> i tried that route for a while, until i realized >>>>> that within the time i take for all the routing, >>>>> troubleshooting and restarts because of hiccups of >>>>> one kind or the other, i might as well just export >>>>> selections of tracks within paris at a time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> my interest is not so much in saving a few man hours. >>>>> its more for the times when the hardware will eventually >>>>> bite the dust. and that day is coming. not to mention >>>>> the slo
creator: Paul Artola
date: 2008-11-02T21:17:45-00:00

Re: Studio Pics 4
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description: only >>>drum bus(card2)..(not to mixdown )...maybe some new ideas? >>> Sory for my English... >>> >>> Goran >>> >> >> > >It varies wildly.. to be honest, we don't use PARIS all that often, but I have had great success with sending stems through the DM and summing in PARIS. It all depends on the project and which sample rates are involved. It has been a few years since I have used PARIS for tracking and editing, Nuendo is SO much faster. My least favorite to use is PT, but without it, we would not have had most of the sessions we did this past year. The DM2K makes it really handy for porting stuff around, cue mixing, and control room functions. Also, 24 really nice pre's. David. Gantt Kushner wrote: > Hi David, > > What role does Paris play in your system? Does your typical project use a > little of all three platforms or mostly only one? > > Gantt > > EK Sound <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote: >> We have Nuendo, PTHD3 and Paris, all on separate computers. We integrate > >> them with a DM2000, a word clock generator and timecode. >> >> David. >> >> Gantt Kushner wrote: >>> Hey Kerry, >>> >>> How integrate the two systems? >>> >>> Gantt >>> >>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote: >>>> I use both, myself. Logic Pro 8 and RME for the features and modernity, >>>> PARIS for what I'm looking for sonically. >>>> >>>> - K >>>> >>>> On 1/5/09 8:54 PM, in article 4962d602$1@linux, "Neil" <OIOIU@oiu.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Derek... I gotcha. BTW, FWIW, your recent posts look >>>>> STAGGERINGLY familiar to some posts I made few years back when >>>>> I bailed on paris for the Native world... welcome to the Dark >>>>> Side, my Jedi friend. lol >>>>> >>>>> ;) >>>>> >>>>> Neil >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "derek" <a@b.com> wrote: >>>>&g
creator: Sandy Tipping
date: 2008-11-02T22:32:38-00:00

Re: Studio Pics 4
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description: wly fading software compability etc. already today, >>>>> my only chance of opening a project as is with all >>>>> settings and plugs in place it to actually maintain >>>>> my win 98 machine from back then. and that just feels like >>>>> a ticking bomb to me. >>>>> >>http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/01/06itunes.html Also, no more FireWire 400 on MBP http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/01/06mbp.html http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/17inch-battery/Me three...!! Rob_A "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:49638310$1@linux... > Goran, > > I am in your dream too . . . > > Tom > > > "Goran Stojiljkovic" <goran.stojiljkovic@os.t-com.hr> wrote in message > news:49637e26@linux... >> ...Thank you very much for your answers..I am thinking about leavin Paris >> platform only because i really miss real Bus inserts... >> my dream is that Master Mixer have inserts above Submix strips....then >> you ad 'external 'and pach wires...wow..... >> ....at least i can say...I have dream....:-) >> >> Thanks.... >> >> >> "Goran Stojiljkovic" <goran.stojiljkovic@os.t-com.hr> wrote in message >> news:495df802@linux... >>>I have 3 eds system with one mec and 2 24bit Ins and 1 24bit out...I s >>>there any chance to somehow external compress with my disstresors
creator: Ted Gerber
date: 2008-11-02T23:08:02-00:00

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creator: Sandy Tipping
date: 2008-11-03T05:04:16-00:00

Re: Studio Pics 4
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creator: Ted Gerber
date: 2008-11-03T05:15:12-00:00

Re: Studio Pics 4
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description: >>> youre welcome to your own "microsoft sucks" statements >>> as much as you like. be my guest, write a whole post about >>> this stuff and watch me ignore it ;-) >>> >>> >>>> Yes PC users always know more about Macs than Mac users about Mac >>>> performance >>>> and all the "swooshing' stuff. >>> >>> im talking about benchmarks from manufacturers suc
creator: rick
date: 2008-11-05T09:42:35-00:00