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ple committed to Final Cut" was the headline from the news article, if you would have read it. I posted it because it was discussed here and some people had concerns about it. There can no longer be any posts where anything Mac or Apple related is mentioned without you mocking, trashing or bashing. it's gotten personal, I recommend you stop! "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: > >I don't recall posting a bunch of sarcastic, personal, attack rants in all >caps under a fake name. Though I am doubtless a smartass I'm an honorable >one at least, and have never done anything like that. > >So someone else 'started it' IHMO, > >TCB > >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: >>> >>>Hey Neil, >>> >>>This will all die down shortly, don't worry. I'm part of the straw in this >>>case and feel a teensy bit bad. Not much, mind, because I just made a pretty >>>harmless joke and someone, I have NO idea who, went postal. >>> >>>This is a really low traffic group, though, so your input (and microphone >>>castoffs) would be very much missed. Drop back after a bit and I don't >think >>>you'll be any the worse. >>> >>>TCB >> >>Why don't you just shut up smartass, your the one that started this. >> >>> >>>"Neil" <OIUOUI@OUI.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>Don't know what happened, who placed the straw that broke the >>>>camel's back, but in case you haven't noticed it, this newsgroup >>>>is now officially dead meat/jumped the shark/gone off the deep >>>>end. >>>> >>>>For anyone who would like to keep in touch with me to chat >>>>about anything music or recording-related, my e-mail address is: >>>> >>>>neil DOT henderson AT sbcglobal DOT net >>>> >>>>...but i'm definitely not going to waste my time here anymore. >>>> >>>>Adios. >>>> >>>>Neil >>>> >>>> >>> >> >Funny you mention that, James, because I was just thinking about that. In all of the years I have read this NG I have NEVER, not once, said anything bad about someone personally, with one exception. The exception isn't you, it's DC. Oddly enough, I suspect DC and I would get along pretty well in person. Usually the people I get along with online are the same that I get along with offline, but in Don's case I suspect he has a sense of humor that doesn't come through in his writing. I deplore the way he conducts himself online, though, and said so, in pretty blunt terms. However, in your case I have never said a thing about you personally. I never said BOW DOWN BEFORE JAMES GREAT GENIUS OF ALL THINGS APPLE and so on and so forth. The fact is that _someone_ did that about me. Since I can't confirm who did that I'm going to pretend I don't know the responsible party, and it's not a huge deal anyway. My skin is pretty thick. TCB "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: > >Thad, you started this by mocking me, by posting "Microsoft committed to Office." >My Post "Apple committed to Final Cut" was the headline from the news article, >if you would have read it. I posted it because it was discussed here and >some people had concerns about it. There can no longer be any posts where >anything Mac or Apple related is mentioned without you mocking, trashing >or bashing. it's gotten personal, I recommend you stop! > >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: >> >>I don't recall posting a bunch of sarcastic, personal, attack rants in all >>caps under a fake name. Though I am doubtless a smartass I'm an honorable >>one at least, and have never done anything like that. >> >>So someone else 'started it' IHMO, >> >>TCB >> >>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>Hey Neil, >>>> >>>>This will all die down shortly, don't worry. I'm part of the straw in >this >>>>case and feel a teensy bit bad. Not much, mind, because I just made a >pretty >>>>harmless joke and someone, I have NO idea who, went postal. >>>> >>>>This is a really low traffic group, though, so your input (and microphone >>>>castoffs) would be very much missed. Drop back after a bit and I don't >>think >>>>you'll be any the worse. >>>> >>>>TCB >>> >>>Why don't you just shut up smartass, your the one that started this. >>> >>>> >>>>"Neil" <OIUOUI@OUI.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Don't know what happened, who placed the straw that broke the >>>>>camel's back, but in case you haven't noticed it, this newsgroup >>>>>is now officially dead meat/jumped the shark/gone off the deep >>>>>end. >>>>> >>>>>For anyone who would like to keep in touch with me to chat >>>>>about anything music or recording-related, my e-mail address is: >>>>> >>>>>neil DOT henderson AT sbcglobal DOT net >>>>> >>>>>...but i'm definitely not going to waste my time here anymore. >>>>> >>>>>Adios. >>>>> >>>>>Neil >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >Thad, it doesn't matter if you are directly or indirectly insulting, it's getting personal! You have mocked me. If seems that you have something to say about everything, when it comes to Mac related posts, especially if they are from me. You have an axe to grind when it comes to Macs. You don't use Macs, your experience is lacking, yet you Mac bash as if you know what you are talking about. This is not about Macs, now is it? I am no genius when it comes to all things Apple, but you are mocking me again! "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: > >Funny you mention that, James, because I was just thinking about that. In >all of the years I have read this NG I have NEVER, not once, said anything >bad about someone personally, with one exception. The exception isn't you, >it's DC. Oddly enough, I suspec
ons, and it wouldn't be accurate to imply that there's nothing to discuss. It isn't just blind brand loyalty that leads people to recommend what works for them. Discussing computer systems and software is as legit as discussing any other part of the recording chain. While it's true that a good engineer can do wonders with almost any piece of gear, the same engineer can likely do even better by choosing every piece of the chain. BTW, maybe the "cool club" mentality Don brought up is behind that weird shunning thing. Slamming or shunning others while lecturing people about how to behave, and pretending to speak for everyone, it seems a bit ironic but whatever. Like all of us probably, Don has plenty to offer. For each of us, our behavior likely makes sense within the cultures in which we were raised. So I tend to cut people some slack, especially on message boards where all the body language and voice inflections, a big part of meaning and intent, are filtered out. Also, all the PARIS group people I've met in person have been great. My guess is that most of the arguments that break out here would never escalate like that if everyone was actually in the same room together. Anyway, Kim and Kerry hit the nail on the head, overall. And a big thanks to both of them for doing something useful! And Neil has a good point about signal to noise ratio. Which I'm sure this post isn't helping. ;^) Cheers, -Jamie www.JamieKrutz.com PS. For some reason a reply to a Mac product link you sent me in private email bounced last week, James. Looks like the problem is between my ISP and your email service, I notified my ISP. But basically the monitor support you mentioned looks pretty cool but wouldn't fit on my desk. Right now my second G5 monitor fits pretty well on its own, just off to the side of my MIDI controller keyboard. Works for now. :^) James McCloskey wrote: > "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote: >> What interests me in all this is remembering a certain other fellow >> (someone once called "the list pothead") who was also volatile and >> would follow people he did not like and post mildly harassing comments >> now and then. >> >> We learned to not engage him on his favorite trigger issues. >> It worked, and we mostly got along. >> >> Well, if James ain't got it now, he ain't gonna get it. He did not come >> up in the studio world back in the 70's and 80's like some of us, and >> never learned that cheerleading for a brand immediately marked you >> as a civilian. Now, I am not talking about telling another engineer >> to check out a mic pre, I am talking about engaging working professionals >> in bitter disputes of one brand vs. another. Studio guys simply don't >> DO that. It's like the Ford vs. Chevy guys! I cannot imagine anything >> more boring. As a 2nd engineer in a major facility back in 1980, if you >> hammered some other engineer about how (say) Quad-Eight desks >> RULE and Harrisons SUCK, and you lost your sense of humor and >> professional attitude, you would (if they liked you) get a stern lecture >> about how we don't CARE about brand loyalty, we only care about >> results. If you did it again, you would be shown the door. >> >> Well, times have changed, and now we use consumer hardware to >> do professional work (like everyone else does) and the consumer >> brand-loyalty thing jumps right into our business, and it REEKS. >> >> I fuggin' hate it. >> >> James understands the negative fact that we hate it, but he does not >> understand the positive reasons why we don't DO that. >> >> Ok, so I am going to try this once more, and James, if you pay attention >> you can remove yourself from the center of this sh*storm. >> >> There are all kinds of wonderful people making wonderful recordings >> with different gear than mine, and even different platforms. I don't >> want them to not talk to me because they think I am not a pro and >> care more about brands than talent. >> >> I care about music, not platforms. It's that simple. >> >> >> Now, what about the mac bashing? Well that has been going on since the >> early 90's or so when the pc people would predict the demise of Apple >> every few weeks, and some IT directors would try to ban macs from the >> building. ho-hum, they failed. Big time. Apple is firmly established >> as the BMW of comp builders for both good and bad. So the bashing is >> largely impotent pecker-waving by the jealous, and some of it is legit >>from people who can get more performance for less money elsewhere. >> (like buying a Vette instead of a 540) >> >> Who the fugg cares? >> >> Now James, you owe a bunch of people here (not Thad!) an apology, >> and I suggest you leave Thad alone since you are just encouraging >> his worst instincts... >> >> Or you can never be a part of the community of engineers. >> >> It's up to you, but I think you can do better. >> >> DC >> >> > Oh boy oh boy oh boy, DC can I join your club of real engineers? Please! > Please! Please! Dude, you have got to be kidding me! You don't know any > thing about me. I have worked on Harrison consoles in the past and some > of them do SUCK! > > I'll say again, I didn't start the shit here on this NG. I didn't start > stirring it up the Mac vs PC war stuff on this NG, some of you guys did years > ago. I got sick of hearing the same old repeated untruths about the mac > platform, so I jumped in to straiten it out and give some information. If > you want to believe that the Mac can't run as much software titles as a PC > go ahead, but the truth is, Macs have been able to run more titles than a > PC since about 1994, if you say other wise I will try to educate you. > > I find it funny that the people that bash Macs don't use them. If you don't > use them on a regular basis, how and the hell do you know what your talking > about??? I use both, I used PCs before I ever used a Mac. I believe, for > most people, if you used both you would you would end up preferring the Mac. > I also believe, for some people it's a left brain right brain thing, and > they will never like a Mac. For others, I think they are just stubborn, > or brain washed or ignorant, these are the people that will go to their graves > insisting that Macs suck. Until you use a new Mac for a couple of years > you won't know. > > I don't give a rat's ass what you use, just don't bash the mac when you don't > know what the hell your talking about. Don't mock or insult mac users and > you won't be mocked or insulted. It's like telling someone they are a dumb > ass for paying $3,000.00 for a compressor when they could have bought a RNC > for $175.00, and then talking about your new $3,000.00 mic pre you just bought. > You don't know what the value is that they are getting out of the $3,000.00 > compressor, and you got personal and insulted their intelligence. > > It can go both ways, tit for tat. I didn't start the shit here on the NG. > I didn't start the shit this time, Thad did, and John and Neil followed. > I haven't made any post that would stir any thing up in quite some time, > but others have. If I post anything about Apple or MS it's information. > You may not like the information, but the information may not be for you. > Any posts I make about mac information draws fire now. It's not about Apple, > MS or Macs, what it is becoming, is personal. If someone is going to mock > me, ridicule me, put me down or insult me, they can expect to get it back. > Don't pile on and then patronize me and tell me to chill out, if you do, > you can expect it to get ugly. > > It's become obvious to me that a few people would like to drive me off the > group, and they may get what they want, or they may get exactly what they > asked for, but the group won't be the same. > > DC, I don't appreciate your little talk. If you want to view me as the center > of the problem, I'll note your position. If you want to shun me or ignore > me or whatever, go for it."DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote: > >Well, I made a real effort to help
) >>>> >>>>Beyond Opposites by Mike Kay and Don Nafe (mostly Mike) and a shitload >of >>> >>>>friends >>>> >>>>Recorded on Nuendo and Paris >>>> >>>>Mixed totally in Paris with the odd side chain to Nuendo >>>> >>>>Genre's covered: >>>> >>>>New Age >>>>Guitar Rock >>>>Country >>>>Jazz (sort of) >>>> >>>>if'n ya want some tunes just email me with your specific genre request >and >>> >>>>I'll send you a shitty mp3 >>>> >>>> >>>>"Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote in message news:481f0e54$1@linux... >>>>> >>>>> Deej called & also e-mailed me & seemed to think I was offended >>>>> at something herein, and it seems James' comment about "you can >>>>> dish it out, but you can't take it", indicates that he felt the >>>>> same way... well, no one's offended me or insulted me here >>>>> (not lately, anyway - at least not that I can recall), so I just >>>>> thought I'd clear that up. My whole reason for leaving is >>>>> simple, and that is: there are simply no posts about music here >>>>> anymore. >>>>> >>>>> I mean, I've not posted here much lately, but I have checked in, >>>>> and when I realized that yet another week had gone by with >>>>> nearly zero music or recording-related posts, I just tired of >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> I never minded the occasional OT thread, and in fact, I always >>>>> felt that some of those were part of what made this community >>>>> interesting (Deej's dogs, Don's pics of the latest snowstorm, >>>>> etc.) But, good gawd... look at the past week or two's worth of >>>>> topics - forget about the fact that the community is smaller & >>>>> hardly anyone uses Paris anymore, does NO ONE here want to >>>>> discuss music-related stuff, but rather simply use this as a >>>>> forum for anything BUT? >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, who am I to tell you what to do with your sandbox? If >>>>> you want to play in it in it's current form, then feel free... >>>>> it's just not for me anymore. >>>>> >>>>> Neil >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90FLQ4G0&show_a rticle=1 There's a lesson in there somewhere. maybe several... DC....;-)we are so few in Norway that we will allways be really special when we're bashing or not;-).... erlilo "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:481f4ccf$1@linux... > > "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote: >>hmmm....everyone else???....hmmmm;-).... >> >>erlilo > > Oops! The Norwegians do NOT bash! > > Sorry... > > :-} > > DC"erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote: >...;-)we are so few in Norway that we will allways be really special when >we're bashing or not;-).... > >erlilo How could anyone disagree? <grin> DC > > >"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:481f4ccf$1@linux... >> >> "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote: >>>hmmm....everyone else???....hmmmm;-).... >>> >>>erlilo >> >> Oops! The Norwegians do NOT bash! >> >> Sorry... >> >> :-} >> >> DC > >A pleasure, sir - thanks for your kind words! The Wiki is a start, but what I've done so far largely amounts to reshuffling previously-existing data into easier-to-search formats. Same sh*t, different font kinda deal. But while it isn't entirely without value in itself, I see it simply as essential groundwork that needs to be laid to support more ambitious and important advances. - Kerry On 5/5/08 6:42 AM, in article 481f1170@linux, "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote: > Nice layout Kerry and very considerate of you. > > muchisimas gracias, > > El Miguel > > > > > "Kerry Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message > news:C4365751.AC45%kg@kerrygalloway.com... >> http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=Nativ eLatencyDatabase >> >> There's a decent start there, composed of efforts of Dimitrios' I've >> found, >> plus the official WAVES latency specs. >> >> The term "database" is actually technically incorrect at the moment; it's >> currently just a text list. The name reflects my intention to build it >> into >> an actual user-contributable, searchable database - just as soon as I >> decide/figure out how to do that. >> >> For now, if you want to add a plugin that's not on the list - assuming you >> are logged in to the Wiki, just doubleclick on the page to open the editor >> and add the plugin to the bottom of the page as text, using something >> along >> the lines of the following format - PLUGIN NAME / [TAB] / LATENCY IN >> SAMPLES; just bring info and I'll take care of tidying it if needed. >> >> Please contribute more as you find them! >> >> >> - Kerry >> > >And what does this have to do with audio? Or are you just pouring gas on a fire? "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote: > > http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90FLQ4G0&show_a rticle=1 > >There's a lesson in there somewhere. maybe several... > > >DC >Just the mental image of someone flipping off the cop and then crashing. I found it an amazing mental image. Applies to most of us at one point or another. You need to calm down. DC "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: > >And what does this have to do with audio? Or are you just pouring gas on >a fire? > >"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote: >> >> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90FLQ4G0&show_a rticle=1 >> >>There's a lesson in there somewhere. maybe several... >> >> >>DC >> >>Am I wasting my time here? > yes Q: Excuse me sir, is this the end of the line? A: No, it's the front, we're all standing backward!Could someone direct me to any links that help with this setup? I recall there being a few thing that had to be done correctly to make it work. Thanks very much. db<--very slow to upgrade OS'sHey, http://www.parisfaqs.com/ Most of the way down the page there is a link that goes here: http://homepage.mac.com/osxlover/ParisFAQs/parisonxp.html David. D-unit wrote: > Could someone direct me to any links that help with > this setup? I recall there being a few thing that had > to be done correctly to make it work. > > Thanks very much. > > db<--very slow to upgrade OS's > >What a memory! Way to go Dave! Now get off topic will ya! neener neener D "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:481f84cc$1@linux... > Hey, > > http://www.parisfaqs.com/ > > Most of the way down the page there is a link that goe
lt;FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In verbalizing it tonight I=20 realized I am truly lucky to still be = as=20 motivated as=20 when I was in high school dreaming about how my career = might=20 unfold. I hope we all appreciate the complexity = and=20 fulfillment of our artistic/scientific selves. The=20 rewards can seemingly be taken for granted as in my = case. =20 All better now. Tom I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, = and=20 you? <A=20 href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer= ..html ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C8AF0F.58D20BF0--This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C8AF06.E23E56E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's funny how we end up always back at the things we love, but not = necessarily how we envisioned the future isn't it? AA "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message = news:481fdf00@linux... Hi all, I had a 'once per year' senior in high school start to study with me = tonight. =20 He is using his experience here for his senior project. I was giving = him an=20 overview of the studio build, hardware, software and life that I live = as an owner=20 operator/musician. His reaction was what I had expected. Impressed = and=20 overwhelmed. He will be attending college for audio engineering in = September. Most oddly, I also started feeling overwhelmed encompassing my=20 accomplishments to date, albeit modest, and goals I still have. In = verbalizing=20 it tonight I realized I am truly lucky to still be as motivated as = when I was in=20 high school dreaming about how my career might unfold. I hope we all appreciate the complexity and fulfillment of our = artistic/scientific=20 selves. The rewards can seemingly be taken for granted as in my case. = All better now. =20 Tom I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you? http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C8AF06.E23E56E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's funny how we end up always back at = the things=20 we love, but not necessarily how we envisioned the future isn't = it? AA "Tom Bruhl" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net> wrote = in message=20 news:481fdf00@linux... Hi all, I had a 'once per year' senior = in high=20 school start to study <FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>with me tonight. =20 He is using his experience here for = his senior=20 project. I was giving = <FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>him an overview of the studio build, = hardware, software=20 and life that I live as an owner = operator/musician. His reaction = was what I had=20 expected. Impressed and=20 overwhelmed. He will be attending college for=20 audio engineering=20 in September. Most oddly, I also started feeling = overwhelmed=20 encompassing my accomplishments to date, albeit = modest, and goals=20 I still have. In verbalizing it tonight I=20 realized I am truly lucky to still = be as=20 motivated as=20 when I was in high school dreaming about how my career = might=20 unfold. I hope we all appreciate the = complexity and=20 fulfillment of our artistic/scientific selves. The=20 rewards can seemingly be taken for granted as in my = case. =20 All better now. Tom I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, = and=20 you? <A=20 = href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer= ..html ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C8AF06.E23E56E0--This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E2_01C8AF10.6C3B6AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kerry, Yes, in perfect working order with competitive latency ratings I'd give it a 4. I'm not needing it right now but would support the development and purchase it if it was available before I bailed on Paris in it's end run.=20 Tom "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message = news:481fde4e@linux... If the latency is right, a 5 here. I'd love to hook a native app into = my=20 existing structure. Gimme Gimme! AA "Kerry Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message=20 news:C445283F.AE78%kg@kerrygalloway.com... > Set aside the "it's not going to happen" stuff for now. For the sake = of=20 > this > hypothetical, let's just assume there were a chance. > > For our hypothetical, let's further assume the following: > > 1) WinXP for sure. Support for earlier OS' unknown. No Mac OS9 = support. > > 2) All I/Os accessible - including all MEC expansion cards. Let's = assume=20 > the > goal would be that the driver could utilize all the same I/Os the = PARIS=20 > app > would. > > 3) 16 and 24 bit; 44.1k and 48k. Unimpaired sound quality. > > 4) Stable and tested with all major platforms - REAPER, Ableton, = Cubase, > Nuendo etc - with full I/O functionality > > 5) Highly skilled work > >>>> > > So with those assumptions in place - rate the importance to you of = ASIO > drivers being created for PARIS - real ASIO drivers - on a scale of = zero=20 > to > five, with zero being "not at all" and five being "yippee! The farm = is > saved! My life is complete and I can finally die happy!". >