going > >>>> with a brand mainly to be brand loyal and hip while having no choice > >>>> under $2-4k or more, how else do you evaluate the two options? >>><br
/> >>> If you're implying that the only reason people buy Macs is to be "brand > >>> loyal and hip," you're wrong. That doesn't apply to most of the Mac >>> users > >>> I know, who own Macs to get work done and chose them as the preferred > tool >>> given the options. Frankly, I would rather be using BeOS but that choice > >>> was torpedo
with Apple Macs: $2000 and up. Sure, more >>>>> computer is more computer, but most people just don't need >>>>> the
gt;>> "I really wanted to see something really great and useful from >>>>>>>> Apple this week. On the top of my wishlist was a true >>>>>>>> sub-notebook. Something I could throw in a portfolio or >>>>>>>> briefcase for short hops." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since he's not complaining about a lack of ports, I don't know >>>>>>>> why the Air doesn't fulfill that role for him. Maybe he's too >>>>>>>> cool to buy the bas
e version with the hard drive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> He did like the movie rentals, which I think may be the most >>>>>>>> important announcement of MacWorld for future impact on Apple's >>>>>>>> growth. He did like the Time Capsule, which is at least >>>>>>>> interesting. He hates the iPhone and AT&T, so he'll just have to >>>>>>>> keep complaining about that until their exc
lusive relationship >>>>>>>> ends. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> -Jamie >>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Neil wrote: >>>>>>>>> A great read once again from Mr. Palmer... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.jackmyers.com/commentary/shelly-palmer-report/138 65472.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>> >Yes, that's correct. One of the last conversations I had with DVK was about Nena and how they were doing currently here. Sure glad you decided to hang man. AA "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:C3B78159.3AF3%lendan@bigpond.net.au... > On 18/1/08 8:13 AM, in article 478fc883$1@linux, "Bill L" > <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote: > >> http://www.rme-audio.de/en_artists.php?page=content/artists/ en_nena_band > I think Derek's been playing in Nena's band for quite some time, even when > he was posting here. > Martin h >Hey Lamont - word from a beta tester that's been using it in Hollywood for a while is that it does work great.... at least until Digi release PT 8 and intentionally cripple it again... We all know it's inevitable... incompatibility is job #1 at Digi....but I guess there's hope Digi will leave it alone. This app is a lifesaver (I have v4.2 from when it was EDL Convert). You are going to love moving freely back and forth. Dedric "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:47913552$1@linux... > > I think they have this App Ready for Prim Time. It even converts Pro Tools > 7.x WOW!!.. I hate editing in ProTools..I LOVE editing in Nuendo. SO... If > this app works like they stated, I can now take the Pro Tools sessions and > work in Nuendo.. > > http://www.solid-state-logic.com/music/pro-convert/overview. htmlDell has a history of crappy power issues, more to the point if you get a nasty ground hum... unplug the supply and see if it goes away. Other than that, I think they're pretty solid machines. AA "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:479126b8$1@linux... > > Just to further cloud the issue of what costs too much in the computer > department, > I ordered a new laptop today. It's going to be a combination office and DJ > machine for me. I WANTED hefty and big, more screen space for > writing/testing > code and more weight to make it harder to knock off the table while I'm > working > the wax. > > So, Dell Inspiron 1720. 17" wide screen display, I upgraded to a 1920 x > 1200 > resolution, Core 2 Duo at 2.0 Ghz, 256 MB nVidia 8600m GT video card, 1 GB > of memory (I'll upgrade that with Crucial after the fact), 120 GB SATA > drive > (again, I'll upgrade that later). > > $1280 includi
ng tax and shipping. > > Opinions? > > TCBThad - I guess you saw it has support for Live (and Reason and many others) - pretty cool. I think we'll all be in love with these things (once PC support arrives for PC users at least - word is April from a Euphonix rep). It appears you can use the touch screen to control channels - including rec arm, mute/solo, plugins, etc. I'm also wondering if you can hard assign a fader to, for example, the master bus and only bank switch the remaining faders - that would be sweet, and not out of the question given Euphonix' attention to flexible functionality. Regards, Dedric "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:47911ca0$1@linux... > > I'm a little hurt I wasn't included in the list, but I agree. Nice looking > stuff. > > Yale did 28% last year. After I get my bonus and do my taxes I'll take a > nice long look at this. I think for me two Mix thingys + one Control would > be pretty sweet. > > TCB > > "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>Ok.. I just went over to the Euphonix site, and I saw the new artist >>series >>MC/MC-Mix.. I'm very impressed. >> >> http://euphon22
;keyofd.net" target="_blank">dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >Hey James, > >No, it isn't another "one of those" :-) > >Where are their desktops you quoted? I didn't see them in the Apple store >under "Mac Pro". >I wasn't talking about Mac minis. They are cool, but limited since they >can't be upgraded with extra ram >(or so I've been told), and no PCIe slots. Is that true? No PCI slots, but you were talking home users, now you are talking pro users. You can still do some pro work even on a Mac Mini. The Mac Mini can be up graded to 2GB of RAM, and you can up grade the processor. The iMac can be upgraded to 4GB of RAM, and it comes with a higher quality 20" monitor that you will find bundled with the typical PC in the same price range. A single Quad core MacPro tower costs $2299.00, and there are discounts off that price. > >They seem like a potentially nice solution for a sample library farm >machine, but if Ram is limited to 2G, then >it wouldn't work for what I need. I know other composers that considered >the same, but had to pass on them for that >reason alone.... again, choice... can't upgrade it to fit what you want. I >specifically said those weren't what I was comparing. >HP and Dell both have minitowers/cubes now, so those would be a more >consistent comparison, if we were >making that comparison, but we aren't. You said desk top computers under 2K. Now your talking sample library machines, for pro users. Show us your idea of a sample library machine for under 2K? I bet you can't run Mac software on out of the box with out having to hack it. You can always argue something. > >I had also heard the MacMinis might not be around much longer - fact or >rumor? Rumor are rumors. > >Btw - my comments were just an observation, not a slam, or hyperbole, or >dig - just following up with what Shelly Palmer said, pointing out that his >comments >make sense to those of us who aren't Mac fanatics, even if he was >technically generalizing, >and he's a self proclaimed Mac fanatic. Sure seemed like a slam. > >It is interesting how such an observation brings such strong reactions from >Mac users. Kind of proves my point on >the
1.securesites.net/artist/products/artist_syst ems/overview.php >> >>Those early pictures did not do these babies justice. Nice. And, I can >>configue >>thes babies for a very (Cosmetics) nice setup... >>Think BrianT's(Paris setup with the 4 Mec's and screens.. >> >>I'm actually floored and I'm "eating" my words. Nice Job Euphonix.. >> >> A fully confugured setup (4Mix 1-MC) is still cheaper than Digi's C24 >> AND, >>works with all of the Big DAWS.. Nice work. >"Dedric Terry" <<a href="mailto:dterry&#64
st long. Imho, that chique >> is >>>hurting consumers as it keeps Apple's product prices higher, with less >>>range >> >>>of price point competition, but for Apple customers, price doesn't seem >> to >>>be a concern. Basically Apple has its' customers right where it wants >>>them. >> >>>Imho, it should be the other way around, and then we would truly have more >> >>>choices. >>> >>>re: BeOS.... same here. >>> >>>Dedric >> >> >> Here we go again! Apple has desk top models under 2K. Apple's market >> share >> probably has more to do with ignorant people spewing ignorant things about >> Apple. >> >> Apple desk top models that start under 2K: >> >> >> . 1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo >> . 1GB memory >> . 80GB hard drive1 >> >> >> $599.00 >> or as low as $15 a month >> >> . 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo >> . 1GB memory >> . 120GB hard drive1 >> >> >> $799.00 >> or as low as $19 a month >> >> >> >> . 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo >> . 1GB memory >> . 250GB hard drive1 >> . 8x double-layer SuperDrive >> . ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT with 128MB memory >> >> >> $1,199.00 >> or as low as $29 a month >> >> . 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo >> . 1GB memory >> . 320GB hard drive1 >> . 8x double-layer SuperDrive >> . ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO with 256MB memory >> >> $1,499.00 >> or as low as $36 a month >> >> . 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo >> . 1GB memory >> . 320GB hard drive1 >> . 8x double-layer SuperDrive >> . ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO with 256MB memory >> >> $1,799.00 >> or as low as $43 a month >> >> >> Or are we going to argue form factor? >> >>> >>>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4790eeca@linux... >>>> Dedric Terry wrote: >>>>> Shelly's complaints, however generalized, pretty much echo that of >>>>> every >> >>>>> PC user who's passed on going the Mac route: >>>>> There is one price point with Apple Macs: $2000 and up. Sure, more >>>>> computer is more computer, but most people just don't need >>>>> the bleeding edge for $2-4k to email Aunt Sally and store
If the general complaint about Apple is price, then it should be noted >> >>>> that the new desktop boxes are less expensive than Dell's, and the new >> >>>> super light notebook is less expensive than Sony's (and under 2K in the >> >>>> standard configuration). >>>> >>>> >>>>> The MacBook, feels cheap, and while it has good specs and isn't really >> >>>>> out of line with a comparable PC laptop, it sits alone in it's sub $2k >> >>>>> price point in the Apple lineup. >>>> >>>> Other than the Mac Mini and iMac. Oh, you mean laptops. Yes, except for >> >>>> the low end MacBook Pro and the new MacBook Air, sans flash drive. As >> for >>>> "feeling cheap," the MacBook does have a plastic case. But my wife has >> one >>>> (G4 version); it seems reasonably rugged and has held up well. It also >> >>>> gets better wireless reception than my metal-clad Powerbook. >>>> >>>> >>>>> My laptop cost $750 and has comparable specs to the Macbook, but with >> >>>>> more I/O (it's closer to the Macbook pro in feature set - not psyched >> >>>>> about Vista on it, but I can't deny it gets the same job done for a lot >> >>>>> less money). >>>> >>>> It's good to have choices. Apple is only one choice. If another choice >> is >>>> better for you, by all means buy it. If everyone bought a Mac, Apple >>>> would >> >>>> be insufferable. :^) >>>> >>>> Competition is good. On the flip side, if Apple weren't pushing the >>>> envelope, the other companies building commodity MSWindows boxes would >> be >>>> less motivated to give you stuff you like. So keep buying what moves >>>> you, >> >>>> be it Apple or someone else. >>>> >>>> >>>>> The same is true of desktops. So his point is based on his opening >>>>> comments about being enamoured with all things Apple. >>>>> Sure, he could have gone cheaper, but money is hardly a concern for >>>>> Shelly considering his success - it's just a reference point >>>>> that he could have spent 1/3 of what he did and accomplished the same >> >>>>> amount of work, but being enamoured with Apple, he goes for the gold >> >>>>> instead. In other words, he's a victim of clever marketing - getting >> you >>>>> to buy way more than you need or want. >>>> >>>> I can't speak for him, but I didn't buy way more than I need or want, >> and >>>> I have a Mac. >>>> >>>> >>>>> When you have the option to pay $1000 or less and get the same job done >> >>>>> (depending on what job you are trying to accomplish of course), vs. >>>>> going >> >>>>> with a brand mainly to be brand loyal and hip while having no choice >> >>>>> under $2-4k or more, how else do you evaluate the two options? >>>> >>>> If you're i
;> >>>>>> box. The same 4k buys you a mind-blowing Vista box or a smokin' >>>>>> MacBook >> >>>>>> Pro." >>>>>> >>>>>> Hypberbole. He's blaming Apple for the cost of a solid state drive. >> This >>>>>> makes no sense. Notice that the price he complains about is the price >> >>>>>> WITH the flash drive option. Yet Apple actually charges less than >>>>>> street >> >>>>>> price to add that drive. >>>>>> >>>>>> If price is the issue, it's too soon to buy a 54GB solid state drive >> on >>>>>> ANY laptop, not just Apple's. Also, he adds the SSD to the MacBook Air >> >>>>>> and then compares that configuration to laptops without an SSD. If >>>>>> that's the comparison, then he should compare the $1700 non-SSD >>>>>> version >> >>>>>> of the Air to the other subnotebooks. And at that point he has little >> >>>>>> point. >>>>>> >>>>>> He could have complained about the lack of firewire or groused about >> the >>>>>> need for an adapter to use ethernet, but he didn't. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "The movie studios like this, I like it! However, Wall Street didn't >> >>>>>> seem to like it at all. Apple shares were down $9.74 to $169.04 the >> day >>>>>> after Steve's speech." >>>>>> >>>>>> The article I linked the other day showed that Apple shares usually >> go >>>>>> down after the keynote. Also, the entire market took a hit on >>>>>> Wednesday >> >>>>>> for issues not directly related to a speech by Steve Jobs. :^) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "I really wanted to see something really great and useful from Apple >> >>>>>> this week. On the top of my wishlist was a true sub-notebook. >>>>>> Something >> >>>>>> I could throw in a portfolio or briefcase for short hops." >>>>>> >>>>>> Since he's not complaining about a lack of ports, I don't know why the >> >>>>>> Air doesn't fulfill that role for him. Maybe he's too cool to buy the >> >>>>>> base version with the hard drive. >>>>>> >>>>>> He did like the movie rentals, which I think may be the most important >> >>>>>> announcement of MacWorld for future impact on Apple's growth. He did >> >>>>>> like the Time Capsule, which is at least interesting. He hates the >>>>>> iPhone and AT&T, so he'll just have to keep complaining about that >>>>>> until >> >>>>>> their exclusive relationship ends. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> -Jamie >>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Neil wrote: >>>>>>> A great read once again from Mr. Palmer... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.jackmyers.com/commentary/shelly-palmer-report/138 65472.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> >> >I'm on that list. I'm about to take over a position whereas I'll be responsible for the in the field mixers.. basically put, 4 to 12 ish channels each. Mackie is straight up crossed off on my list. If I want QC issues and chinese build, I may as well get a Behringer, yano? Now, the master control mixer... that's another line completely. I think I'm going to consider my first Yamaha mixer, ever... they've come a long long ways since I've bought a new one. The LS9 is unbelievably good for what I'm going for... heads up post dudes, this thing has smokin' features. Among the 'cool' catagory, Alesis has a little video iPOD capable 7 or 8 channel mixer that I might be buying into also. AA "Neil" <<a href="mailto:OIOI@OI.com" target="_bla
nk">OIOI@OI.com> wrote in message news:4790b8a0$1@linux... > > Obviously, no one's tried it here. > > With the exception of monitors, this board seems to mostly > consist of Mackie avoiders. > > Neil > > > "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote: >> >>Wow! I am overwhelmed! Nevermind! >> >> >>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote: >>> >>>Hi folks. Anyone got one of these.. tested it, etc? >>> >>>I am not unhappy with my Paris, but I am thinking of moving to this type >>>of FW device... mainly for the surround sound mixing. And if that works, >>>I'd want to track and record in it too. >>> >>>I read piles of reviews... but they all seam'd generic. I haven't really >>>seen a good review of taking it for a real test on a Pent 4 or other >>>processors. >>> I see it requires XP, but are there talks about Vista support? >>> Appreciate >>>a little detail on what you found. Not just the... yeah man, it's ok... >>>lol. >>> >>>Thanks... ~ Ed >>> >> >I think you're right about Digi throwing a wrench with PT 8. Let's keep our fingrs crossed. Thought: The thought of having a real-life "Tactile" controller Euphonix MC/Controll/ Mix that's "married" with the software (Nuendo, Logic, PT) is what I have ben dreaming for since the C-16 integration with Paris. Paris was really ahead of the curve. The C-16 uses Ethernet as it's transmission protocol, which made using the C-16 feel like it was "part" of the Software. No lag, very responsive. I never felt that with the Mackie controllers. They always felt like bad latency. My point. It's taken this long for a vialbe solution to the that speaks to not only to several DAWs, but Workstations as well. However, I'd wish most companies would get this 8 thing(faders, mic pres so on..and embrace 16..16 faders, pres..so on.. "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >Hey Lamont - word from a beta tester that's been using it in Hollywood for a >while >is that it does work great.... at least until Digi release PT 8 and >intentionally cripple it again... > >We all know it's inevitable... incompatibility is job #1 at Digi....but I >guess there's hope >Digi will leave it alone. ><br /