;= <META=3D20 > =20 > http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type=20 content=3D3D3D"text/html;=3D20 > > =20 =3D3D >charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1"> > =20 >content=3D3D3D"MSHTML=3D20 > > =20 6.00.2800.1400"=3D20 > > =20 =3D > =20 = >name=3D3D3DGENERATOR> &g t; <= BR>></HEA=3D > =20 >D> ><BODY=3D20 > = > =20 bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff> >& lt;DIV> =20 >size=3D3D3D2>Most=3D20 > > = Excellent Fix=20 It=3D20 > > =20 = =3D3D >Guys,&am p;lt;/DIV> ><DIV&g t= ;<FONT=3D20 > =20 > face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>New problem. Just = installed a new=20 =3D > =20 >=3D3D >Antec=3D20 > > = 550=3D3D20 >watt =3D > =20 = >supply. &amp ;lt;BR&g
t;> <FONT=3D2= 0 > =20 > face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Powers up nicely in the = Magma. It=20 =3D > =20 >=3D3D >will=3D20 > > =20 run=3D3D20 >with 5 EDS=3D20 > = > =20 cards <BR&amp ;gt;> <FONT=20 =3D > = >face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<B
> > =20 even <BR& gt;> <FONT=20 =3D > = >face=3D3D3DArial=3D20 > =20 > size=3D3D3D2>the new supply to croak? Fans are=20 =3D > =20 = >=3D3D >cooling=3D3D20&lt ;BR>>well=3D20 >&nbsp= ; =20 > = too. <BR& gt;> <FONT=20 =3D > = >face=3D3D3DArial=3D20 > =20 > size=3D3D3D2>=20 ><DIV&am p;gt; =20 >face=3D3D3DArial=3D20 > > = size=3D3D3D2>I'm=20 thinking I have a broken EDS then =3D3D >?=20 =3D > =20 >Maybe=3D3D20 >3=3D20 > = > . . . ?=20 The Magma? <BR&am p;gt;> <FONT=20 =3D > > > = > =20 face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Damn. Are there Magma = =3D3D >drivers?=20 =3D > >If=3D20 > = > =20 so=3D3D20 >I'd need older ones. = The=3D20 > =20 > = Magma <BR&amp ;gt;> <FONT=20 =3D > = >face=3D3D3DArial=3D20 > =20 > size=3D3D3D2>tech was almost laughing at how old=20 =3D3D >mine is.=3D20 >&
;lt;BR&amp ;gt;>=20 =3D20 > > would power on for a =3D > = >split=20 second=3D20 > > =20 =3D3D >then=3D3D20 > stop.=20 I'm=3D20 > > =20 thinking <BR& amp;gt;> =20 <FONT=3D20 > > = face=3D3D3DArial=20 size=3D3D3D2>power supply. It might still = =3D > =20 >=3D3D >work with=3D20 > = > =20 all=3D3D20 > 5 cards and 1 = =3D > =20 >Mec < BR>> = =3D20 > =20 > if I=20 baby=3D20 > > =20 it. <BR&g t;> <FONT=20 =3D > = >face=3D3D3DArial=3D20 > =20 > size=3D3D3D2> = > =20 =3D > =20 > <FONT=3D20 > > = face=3D3D3DArial=20 size=3D3D3D2>Once it's off I have to = unplug,=3D20 > =20 > wait, =3D3D >replug = and=3D3D20 > =20 start=3D20 > > =20 again. <BR&am p;gt;> = <FONT=20 =3D > = >face=3D3D3DArial=3D20 > =20 > size=3D3D3D2>Maybe it will start up wit
t;>http://www.polesoft.= com/refer=3D > =20 = >'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/r= efer</A=3D > =20 = >>=3D3D >.html< /A>=3D20 > = =20 > =3D > =20 = > </BL OCKQUOTE> </HTML&gt= ;<BR=3D > =20 = >>> > &amp ;lt;/= HTML> > =20 > > > ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C80D3D.BC38BBE0--"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote: > >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:471025a5$1@linux... >> >> http://www.mactruth.com/more.php?id=19_0_1_0_M > >.................but what if you don't want all that stuff........can you >uninstall it? > > > May
be if you know how to hack in the the OS. I would say just don't use it. It would be like turning off contextual menus or drop down menus. I'm not sure why you would want to, but to each his own. I believe that part of the concept is, that when you switch spaces, what ever space your on, the system is optimized for that software. It frees up resources for better performance. Not that a Mac needs better performance...hee hee hee; )James McCloskey wrote: > There was an article a couple of years ago about Apple filing for some patents > and so on. The article said that the technology was already under the hood, > but not implemented. So they hacked it, and demoed how it would work in > a video. What they showed was the spinning cube thing, where the whole screen > would spin to a new desk top. They showed 4 different desk tops. You mean the same cube spin transition OSX uses when you switch users? It's nice eye candy for sure. But the basic multiple desktop feature has been around in other operating systems for decades - various flavors of UNIX, on the Amiga, I think, and BeOS. Good stuff. If Apple doesn't postpone again, the update should be out in a couple of weeks. Cheers, -Jamie www.JamieKrutz.com > Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >> James McCloskey wrote: >>> http://www.mactruth.com/more.php?id=19_0_1_0_M >> From the article: "Spaces will allow you to set up different desktop >> environments, making clutter a thing of the past. However, because >> Spaces has never appeared in an OS before..." >> >> Nice article, but that quoted bit is wrong. I've used similar features >> in Linux and BeOS. I'm very glad Apple is finally getting around to >> implementing it, though, it's very useful. >> >> The upcoming OSX feature I'm most interested in is one he didn't >> mention, Time Machine. Built-in backups. That alone should be worth the > >> update. >> >> Cheers, >> -Jamie >> www.JamieKrutz.com >Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: > >James McCloskey wrote: >> There was an article a couple of years ago about Apple filing for some patents >> and so on. The article said that the technology was already under the hood, >> but not implemented. So they hacked it, and demoed how it would work in >> a video. What they showed was the spinning cube thing, where the whole screen >> would spin to a new desk top. They showed 4 different desk tops. > >You mean the same cube spin transition OSX uses when you switch users? >It's nice eye candy for sure. But the basic multiple desktop feature has >been around in other operating systems for decades
the Amiga, I think, and BeOS. Good stuff. > >If Apple doesn't postpone again, the update should be out in a couple of >weeks. > >Cheers, > -Jamie > www.JamieKrutz.com Yeah it was something like that. No dispute about who had it first. I was just saying that according to an article it's been under the hood for awhile. They also talked about third parties developing different ways to use the technology. To my knowledge, there has been software that can essentially do this for a long time. I think there are links on Doug W.'s FAQ page for third party software??? > > > >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>> James McCloskey wrote: >>>> http://www.mactruth.com/more.php?id=19_0_1_0_M >>> From the article: "Spaces will allow you to set up different desktop >>> environments, making clutter a thing of the past. However, because >>> Spaces has never appeared in an OS before..." >>> >>> Nice article, but that quoted bit is wrong. I've used similar features >>> in Linux and BeOS. I'm very glad Apple is finally getting around to >>> implementing it, though, it's very useful. >>> >>> The upcoming OSX feature I'm most interested in is one he didn't >>> mention, Time Machine. Built-in backups. That alone should be worth the >> >>> update. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> -Jamie >>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>James McCloskey wrote: > Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >> James McCloskey wrote: >>> There was an article a couple of years ago about Apple filing for some > patents >>> and so on. The article said that the technology was already under the > hood, >>> but not implemented. So they hacked it, and demoed how it would work > in >>> a video. What they showed was the spinning cube thing, where the whole > screen >>> would spin to a new desk top. They showed 4 different desk tops. >> You mean the same cube spin transition OSX uses when you switch users? >> It's nice eye candy for sure. But the basic multiple desktop feature has > >> been around in other operating systems for decades - various flavors of > >> UNIX, on the Amiga, I think, and BeOS. Good stuff. >> >> If Apple doesn't postpone again, the update should be out in a couple of > >> weeks. >> >> Cheers, >> -Jamie >> www.JamieKrutz.com > > Yeah it was something like that. No dispute about who had it first. I was > just saying that according to an article it's been under the hood for awhile. > They also talked about third parties developing different ways to use the > technology. To my knowledge, there has been software that can essentially > do this for a long time. I think there are links on Doug W.'s FAQ page for > third party software??? Yep. I've seen several 3rd party hacks to add this to OSX, but haven't been willing to risk any problems with system stability using them. I've been waiting for the integrated version from Apple. Shouldn't be long now... Cheers, -Jamie www.JamieKrutz.com > >> >>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>>> James McCloskey wrote: >>>>> http://www.mactruth.com/more.php?id=19_0_1_0_M >>>> From the article: "Spaces will allow you to set up different desktop > >>>> environments, making clutter a thing of the past. However, because >>>> Spaces has never appeared in an OS before..." >>>> >>>> Nice article, but that quoted bit is wrong. I've used similar features > >>>> in Linux and BeOS. I'm very glad Apple is finally getting around to >>>> implementing it, though, it's very useful. >>>> >>>> The upcoming OSX feature I'm most interested in is one he didn't >>>> mention, Time Machine. Built-in backups. That alone should be worth the >>>> update. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> -Jamie >>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >sorry i hadn't read all the other posts but even new ones can be bad.. i've never used a magma so i'm not familiar with their hookup protocol. can you put a meter on the power feeds to see if their output is correct? On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 02:06:58 -0400, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net
="mailto:470fc436@linux..." target="_blank">470fc436@linux... > > The Magma power supply just stops after about 45 seconds > > so windows freaks and won't finish starting up. > > "Mike Audet" <mike@....> wrote in message news:470fbd61@linux... > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > Hmmm...does it fail when windows starts if the MECs are connected or when > > PARIS starts? > > > > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Hi Mike, > > >I think Windows will boot fine, at least it used to with > > >all 5 cards in it. Now it chokes as soon as I attach a > > >scsi cable to any of my three new working mecs. > > >It didn't a couple of days ago. > > > > > >I'm digging deeper into the way the cards are seated now. > > >I will check the Magma with one card and one interface at a=20 > > >time. Maybe the scherzo drivers are screwy from removing=20 > > >and reinserting the cards? =20 > > > > > >This is amazing how one little thing can ruin a good business. > > >Well maybe it's 10 little things but. . .=20 > > >Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Audet" <Mike@...> wrote in message news:470f58fa$1@linux... > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > I have the same old Magma, and it doesn't require any drivers. > > > > > > I'd try booting Windows XP with no EDS cards in, then one, then two, = > > >etc., > > > until you can find the problem. If it is the bridge chips in the = > > >Magma, > > > I believe Windows would fail even if no cards were in it. You may = > > >want to > >
> test it with another PCI card in it just in case I'm wrong about that. > > = > > > It > > > sounds to me like a bad card that is throwing the PARIS driver for a = > > >shit > > > when it tries to innitialize any 442s that are attached (that happens > > = > > >on > > > start up). > > > > > > Good luck! > > > > > > Mike > > > =20 > > > > > > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >Most Excellent Fix It Guys, > > > >New problem. Just installed a new Antec 550 watt supply. > > > >Powers up nicely in the Magma. It will run with 5 EDS cards > > > >then shut off just before XP boots and screws the whole shootin' = > > >match. > > > >I'll double check seating of the cards but what else would have made > > = > > >=3D > > > >even > > > >the new supply to croak? Fans are cooling well too. > > > > > > > >I'm thinking I have a broken EDS then ? Maybe 3 . . . ? The Magma? > > > >Damn. Are there Magma drivers? If so I'd need older ones. The = > > >Magma > > > >tech was almost laughing at how old mine is. It has a slot on the = > > >far =3D > > > >left > > > >for the Magma card. The newer one's slot #s go 1-13 rt to left as = > > >you =3D > > > >face the front. > > > >I think mine's the opposite judging by my master card placement. > > > > > > > >Everything is broken it seems. > > > >Tom > > > > > > > > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =3D > > > >news:470d9f41$1@linux... > > > > I can't believe this one but . . .=3D20 > > > > > > > > I've had 5 cards in a
13 slot Magma for years. Now it won't > > > > start up and keep running. This began tonight as > > > > I tried adding Mec #2 to a 1 Mec setup. The Magma > > > > would power on for a split second then stop. I'm thinking > > > > power supply. It might still work with all 5 cards and 1 Mec > > > > if I baby it. > > > > > > > > Once it's off I have to unplug, wait, replug and start again. > > > > Maybe it will start up with one Mec then. I thought there was=3D20 > > > > a auto shut off mechanism built in to the Magma. I didn't see =3D > > > >anything > > > > about that in the manual. > > > > > > > > ? ? ? > > > > > > > > Why Me??? > > > > > > > > > > > > I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you? > > > > http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Excellent Fix It =3D > > > >Guys, > > > > New problem. Just installed a = > > >new =3D > > > >Antec 550=3D20 > > > >watt supply. > > > > Powers up nicely in the Magma. = > > >It =3D > > > >will run=3D20 > > > >with 5 EDS cards > > > > then shut off just before XP = > > >boots and > > > =3D > > > >screws the=3D20 > > > >whole shootin' match. > > > > I'll double check seating of the > > = > > >cards > > > =3D > > > >but wh
at=3D20 > > > >else would have made even > > > > the new supply to croak? Fans = > > >are =3D > > > >cooling=3D20 > > > >well too. > > > > > > > > I'm thinking I have a broken EDS > > = > > >then =3D > > > >? Maybe=3D20 > > > >3 . . . ? The Magma? > > > > Damn. Are there Magma =3D > > > >drivers? If so=3D20 > > > >I'd need older ones. The Magma > > > > tech was almost laughing at how > > = > > >old =3D > > >
> > >size=3D3D2>Most=20 > > > Excellent Fix It=20 > > > =3D >Guys, > <FONT=20 > > > face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>New problem. Just installed a new = > > >=3D >Antec=20 > > > 550=3D20 >watt = > > >supply. > <FONT=20 > > > face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Powers up nicely in the Magma. It = > > >=3D >will=20 > > > run=3D20 >with 5 EDS=20 > > > cards > > >face=3D3DArial=20 > > > size=3D3D2>then shut off just before XP boots = > > >and =3D >screws=20 > > > the=3D20 >whole shootin'=20 > > > match. > > >face=3D3DArial=20 > > > size=3D3D2>I'll double check seating of the cards =3D >but = > > > > > > what=3D20 >else would have made=20 > > > even > > >face=3D3DArial=20 > > > size=3D3D2>the new supply to croak? Fans are = > > >=3D >cooling=3D20 >well=20 > > > too. > > >face=3D3DArial=20 > > > size=3D3D2> > > >face=3D3DArial=20 > > > size=3D3D2>I'm thinking I have a broken EDS then =3D >? = > > >Maybe=3D20 >3=20 > > > . . . ? The Magma? > > > > > > face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Damn. Are there Magma =3D >drivers? = > > >If=20 > > > so=3D20 >I'd need older ones. The=20 > > > Magma > > >face=3D3DArial=20 > > > size=3D3D2>tech was almost laughing at how old =3D >mine is.=20 > > > =3D20 >It has a slot on the far=20 > > > left > > >face=3D3DArial=20 > > > size=3D3D2>for the Magma card. The newer =3D >one's = > > >slot=3D20 >#s go=20 > > > 1-13 rt to left as you face the=20 > > > front. > > >face=3D3DArial=20 > > > size=3D3D2>I think mine's the opposite judging by =3D >my=20 > > > master=3D20 >card=20 > > > placement. > > >face=3D3DArial=20 > > > size=3D3D2> > > >face=3D3DArial=20 > > > size=3D3D2>Everything is broken it=20 > > > =3D >seems. > <FONT=20 &g
> tonight as > <FONT=20 > > > face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I tried adding Mec #2 to a 1 Mec = > > >=3D >setup.=20 > > > The=3D20 > Magma > =20 > > > would power on for a = > > >split second=20 > > > =3D >then=3D20 > stop. I'm=20 > > > thinking > <FONT=20 > > > face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>power supply. It might still = > > >=3D >work with=20 > > > all=3D20 > 5 cards and 1 = > > >Mec > =20 > > > if I baby=20 > > > it. > > >face=3D3DArial=20 > > > size=3D3D2> > = > > > <FONT=20 > > > face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Once it's off I have to unplug,=20 > > > wait, =3D >replug and=3D20 > start=20 > > > again. > > >face=3D3DArial=20 > > > size=3D3D2>Maybe it will start up with one Mec =3D >then.=20 > > > I=3D20 > thought there was = > > > > =20 > > > a auto shut off = > > >mechanism built=20 > > > in to =3D >the=3D20 > Magma. I didn't see=20 > > > anything > <FONT=20 > > > face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>about that in the=20 > > > =3D >manual. > = > > > <FONT=20 > > > face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2> > =20 > > > ? ?=20 > > > ? > > >face=3D3DArial=20 > > > size=3D3D2> > = > > > <FONT=20 > > > face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Why = > > >Me??? > =20 > > > I choose = > > >Polesoft Lockspam=20 > > > to fight spam, =3D >
> seems. >Tom > > "Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D20 > > > = href=3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net> wrote =3D > > >in message=3D20 > > > =3D3D >news:470d9f41$1@linux... > I can't believe = this =3D > > >one but .=3D20 > > > . .=3D3D20 > > I've had 5 cards in a 13 slot Magma = for =3D > > > > > > years. Now it won't > start up and keep =3D > > >running. This=3D20 > > > began tonight as > I tried adding Mec #2 to a 1 Mec =3D > > >setup. =3D20 > > > The Magma > would power on for a split second then =3D > > >stop. I'm=3D20 > > > thinking > power supply. It might still work with =3D > > >all 5=3D20 > > > cards and 1 Mec > if I baby it. > > Once =3D > > >it's=3D20 > > > off I have to unplug, wait, replug and start again. > = =3D > > >Maybe it=3D20 > > > will start up with one Mec then. I thought there =3D > > >was=3D3D20 > a=3D20 > > > auto shut off mechanism built in to the Magma. I didn't = see=3D20 > > > =3D3D >anything > about that in the=3D20 > > > manual. > > ? ? ? > > Why=3D20 > > > Me??? > > > I choose Polesoft Lockspam to =3D > > >fight spam,=3D20 > > > and you? > <A=3D20 > > > =3D > > = >href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re= fer=3D > > >.html =3D20 > > > > > > > Transitional//EN"> > ><META=3D20 > > > http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type = content=3D3D3D"text/html;=3D20 > > > =3D3D >charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1"> > > >content=3D3D3D"MSHTML=3D20 > > > 6.00.2800.1400"=3D20 > > > =3D > > >name=3D3D3DGENERATOR> > ></HEA=3D > > >D> ><BODY=3D20 > > > bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff> > > >size=3D3D3D2>Most=3D20 > > > Excellent Fix It=3D20 > > > =3D3D >Guys, > <FONT=3D20 > > > face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>New problem. Just installed a = new =3D > > >=3D3D >Antec=3D20 > > > 550=3D3D20 >watt =3D > > >supply. > <FONT=3D20 > > > face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Powers up nicely in the = Magma. It =3D > &
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but it seems that Apple is really making >>>> a >>>>>> really good case for the go-to Multi-media workstaion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, the rumor for the apple x-server is that it use the upcomming AMD >>>> quad >>>>>> core. Ohh weee!!! With OSX-Lepoard. that will pack a good punch. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >>>>>>> On 10/20/07 1:14 PM, in article 471a53b0$1@linux, "LaMont" >>>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are >>>>>>>> getting >>>>>> a little >>>>>>>> cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of >>>>>>>> products >>>>>> we >>>>>>> N4 is out and it's pretty sweet - it's faster and snappier - some >>>>>>> plugin >>>>>>> compatibility issues to sort out (W5 no longer works for one), but >>>>>>> otherwise >>>>>>> running well here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> DJ - >>>>>>> The multicore issue is top on the list to be solved probably in the >>>>>>> next >>>>>>> rev, along with support for dual mono files on stereo tracks (drag >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> drop). They didn't have time to completely fix the multicore problem >>>> with >>>>>>> N4.1 so it was put back - I'm hoping we'll see it in a maintenance >>>>>>> release >>>>>>> fairly soon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Go with whatever works for you though. I won't post Nuendo 4.1 >>>>>>> features >>>>>>> since this is a Logic thread. ;-) (If you or anyone else is >>>>>>> interested >>>>>> I'll >>>>>>> post something next week.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Btw - I hear you on Vista - hate it. If Apple released OSX a couple >>>> of >>>>>>> months ago, they could have made a big stake in the OS market. Now >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> thinking Linux could finally make push into the pro music/audio/video >>>>>>> market.... just a hunch (or hope maybe) based on something I noticed >>>> in >>>>>> some >>>>>>> Cubase 4 xml code.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer >>>>>>>> version >>>>>>>> of their MC5 controller. >>>>>>> Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes a >>>> while >>>>>>> to let you know they aren't showing anything yet): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://euphonix.com/artist/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dedric >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>> "no >>>>>>>> PCI >>>>>>>>> slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's troubling >>>> to >>>>>> me >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg >>>>>>>>> development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi core >>>> CPU's >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not yet >>>> have >>>>>>>>> this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going to >>>> be >>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>> much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon. >>>>>>>>> Moving >>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to >>>>>>>>> Apple. >>>>>> Kudos >>>>>>>>> to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling >>>>>>>>> CPU >>>>>> issues >>>>>>>>> sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core >>>>>>>>> CPU's, >>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>> going to probably get quite a few converts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "LaMont" &lt