orth shipping, though - lemme know if you can use it, >>>otherwise I can always just return it. >>> >>>Neil >>> >> >Nothing hard about this. It's basically defining status, making employers who hire migrant labor pay for their insurance so it doesn't fall oun the healthcare infrastructure, hiring enough people to enforce some simple laws and applying enforcement unifromly. the employers will raise the prices of the goods they produce to cover the costs of the healthcare and we will all pay for it, inculding the migrant workers paying their fair share. "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:467be825@linux... > > Now Guys..Really now. > Do you realy think this goverment has the capacity a
;No more sanctuary cities. Law enforcement is *required* to randomly check > >>national ID/worker cards >>Profiling allowed (I hate this, but it's necessary) >>If someone doesn't have valid National ID or workers card, they are >>detained > >>until they can show proof. No proof, you go back to country of origin. >>Worker gets busted for serious misdemeanor.......goes home - can reapply > for >>worker permit within 1 year. Felony, goes to jail, then home.- never come > >>back. >>Rescind the law that allows children born of non-citizens in this country > to >>be automatic citizens. >> >> >> >>> >>> Aaron Allen wrote: >>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com <mailto:Meta@Dimensional.com>> wrote > in >>>> message news:467591fd@linux... >>>> > >>>
na-bevens/>] > >>>> @ 11:24 am [Email author <mailto:bbevens@vdareedit.com?subject=New >>>> Study: > >>>> Deporting Illegal Aliens Will Cost $41 Billion A Year.Do They Take >>>> American Express??>] [Email This Article] >>>> < http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2005/07/27/new-study-deportin g-illegal-aliens-will-cost-41-billion-a-year-do-they-take-am erican-express/email/> >> >>>> [Print This Article] >>>> < http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2005/07/27/new-study-deportin g-illegal-aliens-will-cost-41-billion-a-year-do-they-take-am erican-express/print/> >> >>>> Recently, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich suggested that we > >>>> round up and deport the millions of illegal aliens who currently reside > >>>> in the U.S. >>>> >>>> Silly mortal.what on earth was he thinking? Simple solutions to >>>> complicated problems just confuse the powers that be-he should have >>>> used
>>> to disagree about that one. I've been in and out of hospitals the last > >>>> year with both a sick 5 yr old boy and a girlfriend post brain tumor. > >>>> She's a tough survivor. I'm telling you what I'm seeing bro, first >>>> hand. > >>>> I could relate some horror stories. >>>> Sorry for the delayed response.... Father's Day, priorities and such > :) >>>> >>>> > Cheers, >>>> > -Jamie >>>> > www.JamieKrutz.com <http://www.jamiekrutz.com/> >>>> >>>> Cheers back atcha' >>>> >>>> AA >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Aaron Allen wrote: >>>> >> "LaMOnt " <jjdpro@ameritech.net <mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net>> >>>> wrote > >>>> in message news:46755eae$1@linux... >>>> >>> Aaron please read my last post. My question to those who think >>>> like > >>>> you >>>> >>> is: >>>> >>> "Then, what is the cure"?? >>>> >> >>>> >> I did read you last post, which prompted mine. Let me elaborate >>>> since > >>>> you >>>> >> don't see what I meant. >>>> >> >>>> >> the 'govt' way is to beat down the ven
dor to the lowest >>>> denominator, > >>>> then >>>> >> hold the >>>> >>> payment as long as you possibly can. Let's not even get into the >>>> >>> 'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care >>>> worker >>>> >>> because >>>> >>> of govt mandates. >>>> >>> Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need > the >>>> fed >>>> >>> gov't doing it? NO. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> The cure. That's not easy, nor is it going to be fast or smooth. > I'd >>>> >> approach it as a layered answer, like almost all problems in life, > >>>> and see >>>> >> what works. What works will depend on so many variables, like >>>> region, >>>> >> patient, nature of illness, how the illness was obtained, >>>> cure/easing > >>>> of >>>> >> symptoms, procedures involved, doctors, insurance, hospital, >>>> etc.... >>>> >> Calculating for those variables will be a mountain, however I think > >>>> the very >>>> >> first thing we have to do is stop the leeching and free riders. >>>> Illegals? >>>> >> Sorry, you will not be admitted to the hospital because we're tired > >>>> of you >>>> >> sucking the life out of our economy. Welfare? You're likely to be > in >>>> line >>>> >> behind the guys that have prepaid through insurance or other >>>> programs. Don't >>>> >> like it? Get legal, get registered, get a job, start paying taxes > and >>>> >> insurance like the legal working population. Harsh? Yeah. >>>> Necessary? > >>>> At this >>>> >> point, yeah - think it is because where we're headed is a train >>>> wreck > >>>> for >>>> >> everyone and I can see the wheels coming off as we speak. At this > >>>> point >>>> >> there is no gentle answer, there has been too much ripping off >>>> going > >>>> too >>>> >> many ways to fix it nicely. I pay taxes, I pay insurance and I take > >>>> the best >>>> >> care of my self as I possibly can. So, explain to me why should I > >>>> have to >>>> >> buy healthcare for someone who doesn't? >>>> >> >>>> >> And that
-they-take-am erican-express/ >>>>>> I could go on and you could go on, but really... what's the point in >>>>>> google warring? >>>>>> Which leads me to believe if life here gets tougher for the illegals, >>>>>> they'll pack up and go home or at least a portion of them will, without >>>>>> blasting more tax payer money at the problem. I hate that it's come to >>>>>> trying to close off our borders but how much money down the tube and >>> how >>>>>> many terrorist bombs is it really going to take for that to sink in? >>>>>> Will there be a gaping hole in the low end jobs? I'd expect it. Will >>> it >>>>>> blow apart our economy. I think we'll certainly feel it in >>>>>> goods/services >>>>>> but the big question lies in will the spending in the medical expenses >>>>>> and free rides in the country outweigh it, andd how does our legal low >>>>>> end applicants play into that? How many of our legal jobless will >>>>>> suddenly find they CAN get a job to help feed themselves and family, >>> and >>>>>> better their circumstances? This isn't about Arabs, Mexicans or any >>>>>> other >>>>>> cultures. It's about responsibility to our house and ourselves and >>>>>> those >>>>>> around us. Perhaps others just see responsibility in a different way >>> than >>>>>> I do. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now the crux of this conversation lies here. Do you think we should all >>>>>> pony up for free health care or not? The rest is semantics, numbers >>>>>> playing and guess work and I say this to anyone that wants to mandate >>>>>> more of my paycheck out of me and my family's hands: If you want to pay >>>>>> for it, go right ahead. Vote yourself into a nice expensive money pit >>>>>> volunteer 'program'. Just don't get the idea that I want to pay for >>> it >>>>>> too, or that I won't fight it the whole way. Don't mistake that I am >>> not >>>>>> a compassionate man, or have heart or ability to help my >>>>>> dudes/dudettes. >>>>>> I think years of taking a hand here really ought to say plenty about >>> that >>>>>> spirit, and things not generally public knowledge about me. I don't >>>>>> mind >>>>>> giving. But I want to give smart. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I won't do is hand out to make ppl dependant so that I/my >>>>>> family/my >>>>>> friends/my community have to continue the payments and they have to >>>>>> stay >>>>>> enslaved to a 'care' system that doesn't teach them to do for >>>>>> themselves >>>>>> if they are able. If they are not, that needs to be handled differently >>>>>> per case. And, if they've snuck into my house and are eating my >>>>>> family's >>>>>> food why on God's green earth would I hand them something else out of >>> my >>>>>> house bank account? >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Ideally we should start by designing a working system for citizens. >>> We >>>>>> > can and should address the immigration issue separately. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> My point is that it is not a separate issue, but linked. We may just >>> have >>>>>&