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description: ector units on the chips. So is there _any_ advantage to an app coded >>>>in 64 bits other than RAM access? Second, considering that only a handful >>>>of converters (in either direction) can even pas 20 bits of meaningful >>data, >>>>why on earth would I _want_ DSP to be done on words larger than 32 bit >>float? >>>> >>>>Maybe I'm missing something really really simple here, but I know, uh, >>a >>>>little bit about computers, and I just don't understand the hype. >>>> >>>>OK, one thing. The 64 bit kernel in Server 2003 deals with multiple cores/processors >>>>much more gracefully, but even then the developer of the DAW will have >>to >>>>be ready to take advantage of that. >>>> >>>>TCB >>>> >>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote: >>>>>Hi Lamont, >>>>> >>>>>The only thing preventing any 64 bit advancement at this point the 3rd >>> >>>>>party software and hardware manufacturers to write 64 bit driver and > >>>>>program support. The host applications need to come first. There is >>>>>nothing close to a fully 64 bit audio app on any platform. All the >>>>>plug-ins in Sonar are 32 bit and running in a shell to function in a >64 >>>> >>>>>bit. All with anywhere from 5 to 10% resource hit. The plug-ins do get >>> >>>>>the benefit of address a full 4 gigs but in most case are performing >no >>>> >>>>>better and in some cases far worse with this method. >>>>>Hardware developers right now do not have completely 64 bit coded >>>>>drivers. In most cases they played with them enough so that they would >>> >>>>>install and function in a 64 bit OS and thats about it. >>>>>ASIO is still 32 bit, VST is still 32 bit. There is supposedly 64 bit >> >>>>>available in the VST spec but not in ASIO AFAIK though no one is doing >>> >>>>>anything with it. >>>>> >>>>>All of the main host programs run on 64 bit OS es just fine. >>>>>32 bit apps like Cubendo, Reaper, Sonar, Samplitude all run great on > >>>>>Windows 64 bit pro and can address up to 4 gigs of ram. But runs no >>>>>bett…
creator: brandon[2]
date: 2007-05-24T19:21:01-00:00

Re: Nylon guitar mixing
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description: 3rd party ones are 32 bit and they all > >>>>>still bottom out using Sonar's bit bridge at 4 gigs soooo. >>>>> >>>>>The blame for this lies with all the parties. MS for not getting >>>>>development resources out to companies faster. Companies for using that >>>> >>>>>as an excuse to be lazy in there development. >>>>> >>>>>Supposedly Steinyha are planning on Nuendo being 64 bit and finally >>>>>making it so it can handle 4 or more core properly. But who knows. >>>>>Every sense who ever in Germany decided to bail and cash in or whatever >>>> >>>>>and sold to Pinnacle they have been in Chaos. Just before that point > >>>>>they were the most innovative and revolutionary company in the native >> >>>>>audio software world and basically made the pro-audio sound card >>>>>business outside be what it is today. There is not a single audio >>>>>software that basically owes its very current existence to Steinberg > >>>>>innovations. But now who knows what their future is. Yamaha I think will >>>> >>>>>hold on to them as long as possible and keep em going. Steinberg need >>to >>>> >>>>>get back in focus soon before they loose too much more ground. I'm not >>> >>>>>sure who if anybody is actually steering the ship at this if anybody. >> >>>>>They need to get back their creative direction and fast. All the >>>>>copycats are circling around them like vultures at this point. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Chris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>LaMont wrote: >>>>>> Thanks Thad.. So, if I have Server 2003 (64) that's a true 64 bit OS?? >>>>I do >>>>>> have a legit copy of Server 2003 (64 bit).. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Haven't we gone over this already? There's minimal advantage to running >>>>>> a >>>>>>> 64 bit OS for audio. The '64 bits' are integer bits, so the real advantages >>>>>>> are in the ability to address file space and RAM larger than a 32 >bit >>>>OS. >>>>>>> The floating point processing (all that matters for audio) has been >>>64 >>>>bits >>>>>>> or more…
creator: wireline[4]
date: 2007-05-24T19:33:55-00:00

Re: Nylon guitar mixing
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description: br /> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bottom line, unless you want to run more than 3 GB of RAM I don't >think >>>>>> 64 >>>>>>> bit operating systems make much difference. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TCB >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> I know apple has stated that they will be 64 OXS in October 07, when >>>>can >>>>>>> expect >>>>>>>> MS to give us a true 64 bit OS ..? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2) When acan we expect the current DAW's to recode in 64 bit , rather >>>>than >>>>>>>> 32 bit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I read somewhere on Nuendo.com that that they (Steinberg) thinks >32 >>>>bit >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> enough and that 64 bit is not needed. But, they are exploring the >>feasability >>>>>>>> of going 64 bit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Meanwhile, the hardware market keeps advancing with newer faster >stuff. >>>>>>> most >>>>>>>> of us are already 64 bit compatible. Only waiting for an WIn os and >>>>64 >>>>>> bit >>>>>>>> DAW to take full advantage of our current workstations.. >>>>>>>> We kkep porrign money into a 32 bit system trying to make a 32 bit >>>OS >>>>faster, >>>>>>>> but we are only seeeing marginal returns. What gives?? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think it's time to put on the brakes and just let the Hardware, >>software >>>>>>>> companies come to an agreement . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm sitting on the fence from here on. I'm still looking into Digital >>>>mixers, >>>>>>>> but that's it.. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Chris Ludwig >>>>> >>>>>ADK Pro Audio >>>>>(859) 635-5762 >>>>>www.adkproaudio.com >>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com >>>> >>> >> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: > >But you can't _record_ that. You can if you go out of the Mytek (or whatever's) analog outs to tape or another digital machine's analog in's... if that 2nd machine is clocked to the Mytek (or whatever's) clock, then it could preceiveably result in a higher-quality 2-track file. >Put another way, if Dimitrios fed the SPDIF of >an RME Mutliface (BTW - running down RME gear on sonics is pretty ballsy >in my opinion. Mayb…
creator: brandon[2]
date: 2007-05-24T19:47:35-00:00

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description: float? >>>>> >>>>>Maybe I'm missing something really really simple here, but I know, uh, >>>a >>>>>little bit about computers, and I just don't understand the hype. >>>>> >>>>>OK, one thing. The 64 bit kernel in Server 2003 deals with multiple cores/processors >>>>>much more gracefully, but even then the developer of the DAW will have >>>to >>>>>be ready to take advantage of that. >>>>> >>>>>TCB >>>>> >>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote: >>>>>>Hi Lamont, >>>>>> >>>>>>The only thing preventing any 64 bit advancement at this point the 3rd >>>> >>>>>>party software and hardware manufacturers to write 64 bit driver and >> >>>>>>program support. The host applications need to come first. There is > >>>>>>nothing close to a fully 64 bit audio app on any platform. All the >>>>>>plug-ins in Sonar are 32 bit and running in a shell to function in a >>64 >>>>> >>>>>>bit. All with anywhere from 5 to 10% resource hit. The plug-ins do get >>>> >>>>>>the benefit of address a full 4 gigs but in most case are performing >>no >>>>> >>>>>>better and in some cases far worse with this method. >>>>>>Hardware developers right now do not have completely 64 bit coded >>>>>>drivers. In most cases they played with them enough so that they would >>>> >>>>>>install and function in a 64 bit OS and thats about it. >>>>>>ASIO is still 32 bit, VST is still 32 bit. There is supposedly 64 bit >>> >>>>>>available in the VST spec but not in ASIO AFAIK though no one is doing >>>> >>>>>>anything with it. >>>>>> >>>>>>All of the main host programs run on 64 bit OS es just fine. >>>>>>32 bit apps like Cubendo, Reaper, Sonar, Samplitude all run great on >> >>>>>>Windows 64 bit pro and can address up to 4 gigs of ram. But runs no > >>>>>>better CPU performance wise than 32 bit XP. Windows 64 pro is basically >>>>> >>>>>>just a stripped down Server 2003 64. But its more than likely gonna > >>>>>>suffer a quiet death like Windows ME did. >>>>>>All of these except Nuendo will install correctly in Vi…
creator: Deej [4]
date: 2007-05-24T21:00:46-00:00

Re: Nylon guitar mixing
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description: duncan.com" target="_blank">graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message news:467aeb33@linux... > http://www.uaudio.com/ > > LA-3A and a Neve 88RS Channel Strip. Interesting... > > GrahamFor me Cubase was a no-brainer. I have used it since the '80s for midi. It is not perfect, but I'm afraid nothing is. I used Logic for a time at a place I worked but it kind of bugged me too. I guess we should be thankful we have so many choices, compared to the way Adobe has a virtual monopoly in the graphics area. wireline wrote: > Don't know yet, really...I have demo'd several different DAWs as of late, > and what I'm finding is they all really fall short...I don't like some of > the limitations imposed by DAW A, the lack of sample accurate editing in > DAW B, the sound of DAW PT, etc... > > Money aside, I'd be all over a RADAR, my SOundtracs bonsole, and a buttload > of hardware in a heartbeat...I really don't need any more MIDI than a simple > clock to align the occassional drum machine...too complicated (!) > > All in all, the reason I'm so displeased with Samp is the holier than thou > attitude taken lately by developers...its like they are jamming certain questionable > things down the userbase's throat, and totally ignoring essentially crippling > bugs... > > I'm using 9-11 (appropriate, huh?)... maybe the roaylty Gods will be kind > and send me the cash for a 48K RADAR, but until they do I'm pretty well stuck > where I am, DAW wise...I can migrate to and from 7.23, 8.31, and 9.11... > > Mainly I miss the ability to write (either directly or via the message board) > to the developers and get an intellegent and reasonably sane response - those > days are looooong gone. > > Curious, why are you planning to move from Sam and where to? I am up to > Sam 8, but switched back to Cubase because I need MIDI often and Sam let > me down once too often in sessions with MIDI. I'll still use it for dialog > and CDs, but I am fed up w/ it on music. >> and monitoring off the playback heads if…
creator: John [1]
date: 2007-05-24T22:20:20-00:00

Re: Nylon guitar mixing
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description: ;>> >>> >
creator: John [1]
date: 2007-05-24T22:20:35-00:00

Re: Nylon guitar mixing
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description: > >>>> graphs and flow charts.you know, visual aids that provide an >>>> opportunity > >>>> for interpretation. >>>> >>>> To discourage the idea, the Center for American Progress >>>> <http://www.americanprogress.org/>(CAP-whatever that's supposed to be) > >>>> prepared a sort of makeshift cost/benefit analysis >>>> < http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF& b=913099>for > >>>> deporting millions of illegal aliens. >>>> >>>> Hmm.I wonder what they determined?? Surprise, surprise, surprise.the > cost >>>> is astronomical. In fact, according to CAP, the solution is cost >>>> prohibitive. >>>> >>>> [extracted from the report linked below] >>>> >>>> "Using publicly available data, we estimate the costs of a mass >>>> deportation effort to be at least $206 billion over five years ($41.2 > >>>> billion annually), and could be as high as $230 billion or more. >>>> Spending > >>>> $41.2 billion annually would exceed the entire budget of the Department > >>>> of Homeland Security for FY 2006 ($34.2 billion) and more than double > the >>>> annual cost of military operations in Afghanistan ($16.8 billion)." >>>> >>>> http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2005/07/27/new-study-deportin g-illegal-aliens-will-cost-41-billion-a-year-do-they-take-am erican-express/ >>>> I could go on and you could go on, but really... what's the point in > >>>> google warring? >>>> Which leads me to believe if life here gets tougher for the illegals, > >>>> they'll pack up and go home or at least a portion of them will, without > >>>> blasting more tax payer money at the problem. I hate that it's come to > >>>> trying to close off our borders but how much money down the tube and > how >>>> many terrorist bombs is it really going to take for that to sink in? >>>> Will there be a gaping hole in the low end jobs? I'd expect it. Will > it >>>> blow apart our economy. I think we'll certainly feel it in >>>> goods/services > >>>> but the big question lies in will the spending in the medical expen…
creator: Neil
date: 2007-05-25T01:00:48-00:00

Re: Nylon guitar mixing
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description: of their goods and what > >>>> they can >>>> >> pay us for producing them. That's right.. right back where we are > >>>> now. Those >>>> >> that have will not have for long because those that don't will take > >>>> it away >>>> >> through gov't mandate and the law of economics. The average Joe >>>> gets > >>>> screwed >>>> >> again. We'll pay for the poor through taxes, then again through the > >>>> health >>>> >> care overages we'll have to provide post gov't supplement. Any fool > >>>> can look >>>> >> at social security (hah, what a misnomer) and see what will happen. > >>>> I've >>>> >> been paying my life on a fund that I'm likely to never collect >>>> upon. > >>>> I'm not >>>> >> willing to add another to that list. Entitlement is crap and it >>>> doesn't work >>>> >> for any length of time before becoming corruption. >>>> >> >>>> >> Sorry man, I don't see this working. But it's a nice thought. We've > >>>> got to >>>> >> start dealing with our border and overpopulation problems because > so >>>> many >>>> >> things are a result of this root issue. >>>> >> >>>> >> AA >>>> >> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude >>>> <mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Exactly Deej. I can tell you right now first hand experience that > >>>> the >>>> >>>> 'govt' >>>> >>>> way is to beat down the vendor to the lowest denominator, then > hold >>>> the >>>> >>>> payment as long as you possibly can. Let's not even get into the >>>> >>>> 'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care >>>> worker >>>> >>>> because >>>> >>>> of govt mandates. >>>> >>>> Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need > >>>> the fed >>>> >>>> gov't doing it? NO. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> AA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com <http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>> > >>>> wrote in message news:467556c0$1@linux... >>>> >>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net <mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net>> > >>>> wrote in message >>>> >>>>> news:4674c045$1@l…
creator: brandon[2]
date: 2007-05-25T01:42:39-00:00

Re: Nylon guitar mixing
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description: ; sorry . . . > > S > > "DC" <dc@spammersinjail.com> wrote in message news:467c9c17$1@linux... >> >> "John" <no@No.com> wrote: >>> >>>I bet you could have traded Paris for them. hehe >> >> >> The question is what she would give you in return.... >> >> DC >> > >Yeah, never get into a gross out contest with a nurse . . . tends to backfire. Last night I manually released an 87-year-old's impacted bowel, took my gloves off, and went to dinner. :) I'm on a medical unit and I bet there's at le
creator: neil[1]
date: 2007-05-25T01:50:14-00:00

Re: Nylon guitar mixing
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description: l.com> wrote in message news:467c9c17$1@linux... >>> >>> "John" <no@No.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>I bet you could have traded Paris for them. hehe >>> >>> >>> The question is what she would give you in return.... >>> >>> DC >>> >> >> > >Neil, that's an interesting point. I usually run everything in the -10 range, I guess, but I wonder if there is a best way to do it. Should the master be at 0 and the individuals much lower, or the individuals high and the master down or what? Or does it make any difference at all as long as they don't clip? I've never seen any data on that. Neil wrote: > Lamont, those DiMakina tunes you heard recently (and you said > you liked - thank you again, BTW) were all in the low-20's to > low 30's in track count. No weirdness there. > > It's all about ga
creator: brandon[2]
date: 2007-05-25T02:04:49-00:00

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description: @ameritech.net> wrote in message news:467be825@linux... >> Now Guys..Really now. >> Do you realy think this goverment has the capacity and wherewithall to >> achieve >> said list of DJ's?? >> >> Aren't you guys the ones who are always saying that the Gove can't run a >> national health care system? How can they effectivly pull off this off?? >> >> >> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote: >>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:467b3fb6@linux... >>>> Deportation is not necessary. If we spent $100 mill putting Americans >> who >>>> hire illegals in jail, in short order there would be no jobs and the >>>> illegals would have to go home (unless of course we put them all on >>>> welf
creator: Bill L
date: 2007-05-25T02:49:15-00:00

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description: ith an >>> employer >>> That employer must withhold taxes and provide a basic medical insurance >>> policy.-the employer is basically the workers sponsor at this point and >> is >>> reaponsible for him/her. >>> Employees must purchase vehicle insurance. >>> Worker receives a Worker-guest card that entitles them to basic >>> (rudimentary) medical services under employers medical insurance policy. >>> worker can buy supplemental healthcare which will be only good as long as >>> his/her status is legimate. >>> Worker can change jobs just like any American citizen. >>> Worker-guest card is forfeit upon leaving job and new "ttransitional " >>> card >>> is issued - good for two weeks. >>> Workers can only receive social services with proof of >>> employment/worker-guest card or temporary "unexp
creator: neil[1]
date: 2007-05-25T03:11:17-00:00

Re: Nylon guitar mixing
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description: is the reason for that new Brett Michaels > reality show? I mean, come ON. > > At some point, when the girls and the premise (and the star) are all > that lame and stupid, it doesn't even matter that they have boobs. > Brett?? Hello??? 1991 called, and while they don't actually want you > back, they would also like you to leave. > > Please, please, PLEEEEEAAASSSSE stop this reality crap!!!!!! Give us > shows with writing by writers. Enough of this garbage. > > pabWhat's a happen with new EDS reverb project? It will be someday at all?That's right. They did not mean Africans, asians or even the natives of this land..Sad really sad.. Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote: >Hi jeff, >Sadly I think they only wanted it to read.. > >"Give me your European tired, your European poor, >Your European huddled masses yearning to breathe free, >The wretched refuse of your teeming European shore...." > >Chris > > >Jeff Hoover wrote: >> Bill L wrote: >>> Actually I think we ought to invite any who want citizenship and can >>> speak some English to take an IQ and an aptitude test. Any with an IQ >>> over 120 and a good aptitude score, if they have a clean legal record >>> and a record of steady employment, should be offered citizenship. The >>> rest should be refused citizenship and should be sent back. We can >>> use more able, intelligent people. Who says we should not pick the >>> top applicants just like a company does. That's how we can make our >>> country stronger. >> >> "Give me your tired, your poor, >> Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, >> The wretched refuse of your teeming shore...." >> >> Nah, that was so 20th century... >> >> >> ;-) >> >> Jeff > >-- >Chris Ludwig >ADK >chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com> >www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/> >(859) 635-5762Hello all, Which would give me the biggest bang for the buck? and a mackie question. I'm pretty content with using my Mackie 1604vlz preamps as instrument inputs (usin…
creator: brandon[2]
date: 2007-05-25T14:06:06-00:00

Re: Nylon guitar mixing
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description: and..Sad really sad.. >> >> >> >> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote: >>>Hi jeff, >>>Sadly I think they only wanted it to read.. >>> >>>"Give me your European tired, your European poor, >>>Your European huddled masses yearning to breathe free, >>>The wretched refuse of your teeming European shore...." >>> >>>Chris >>> >>> >>>Jeff Hoover wrote: >>>> Bill L wrote: >>>>> Actually I think we ought to invite any who want citizenship and can >> >>>>> speak some English to take an IQ and an aptitude test. Any with an IQ >> >>>>> over 120 and a good aptitude score, if they have a clean legal record >> >>>>> and a record of steady employment, should be offered citizenship. The >> >>>>> rest should be refused citizenship and should be sent back. We can >>>>> use more able, intelligent people. Who says we should not pick the >>>>> top applicants just like a company does. That's how we can make our >> >>>>> country stronger. >>>> >>>> "Give me your tired, your poor, >>>> Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, >>>> The wretched refuse of your teeming shore...." >>>> >>>> Nah, that was so 20th century... >>>> >>>> >>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> Jeff >>> >>>-- >>>Chris Ludwig >>>ADK >>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com> >>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/> >>>(859) 635-5762 >> > >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.ne> wrote: >You know and I know, how the poor whites and blacks were exploited in the >Veitam war. With middle class and upper middle where not sending their sons >to war.. No different today.. One problem, it's bullshit. http://www.stolenvalor.com/ Read it and discover that the vietnam soldier was the most highly educated group ever to serve. They have had the highest success in life, the fewest mental problems, and the lowest drug addiction of any veterans in the 20th century. The idea that the rich and connected all got out of vietnam and only poor whites and blacks ended up there, is a lie. Read that book and get hip. It may open up a …
creator: Neil
date: 2007-05-25T17:28:23-00:00

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creator: Bill L
date: 2007-05-26T12:23:48-00:00

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creator: chuck duffy
date: 2007-05-26T15:22:51-00:00

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creator: Nil
date: 2007-05-26T15:42:27-00:00

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creator: Neil
date: 2007-05-26T15:46:23-00:00

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description: drives, no waiting. I believe you hold down "option" on boot and it gives you the choice. pabright, remembering more of it now.... FreakQ was the one that would foul up on the lo pass band.. I think. Jeez. Old age sucks, heh... PC Freebies was the one Chuck said to not install. AA "Mark" <mark47366@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:468035cb$1@linux... >I think PC Freebies was the problem - although right now just for >troubleshooting, I also removed FreakQ, I did previously have that running >with no problem. > > > > "PaulN" <pn@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467fcd01$1@linux... >> >> My experience is that "PC Freebies" is the culpret. I had all kinds of >> weirdness >> going on until I uninstalled them. >> >> >> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: >>>FreakQ is the one that seemed to cause the most issues I believe, and it >> >>>seemed like there was a little 3 pack that had something in it that >>>created >> >>>issues, name escapes me at the moment. Define "all" of them that you >>>installed and I can likely pick the one out. >>> >>>AA >>> >>>"Mark" <sharonaloveslife@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>news:467fb883$1@linux... >>>>I had installed all of the skunkworks plugs - I removed all but the >>>>eventiter and the mods. >>>> >>>> I really love the plugs and as time permits, I'll start adding them in >> >>>> again until I isolate which one was causing the problem on my computer. >>>> >>>> >>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message >>>> news:467ea667@linux... >>>>>I hadn't seen that reaction yet, but I think some of the skunkworks >>>>>plugs >> >>>>>were deemed too buggy and it was suggested to not install them. Which >> of >>>>>them did you have installed? >>>>> >>>>> AA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Mark" <sharonaloveslife@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:467e51e8@linux... >>>>>>I sure appreciate all the helpful tips posted here
creator: Deej [4]
date: 2007-05-26T18:09:38-00:00