keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David. >>>>>>
lity ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an >>>>>>>>> analog >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and >>>>>>>>> quality >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> level. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wireline wrote: >>>>>>
6c0$1@linux... > > "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4674c045$1@linux... >> >> The reason for the new film SICK
;>> insurance industry..booo hoo.... all is all, it's all F'd up. where both >>> sides are in a stale mate. Meanwhile, the US health-care is in utter >>> despair..Pittiful!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote: >>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message >>>> news:4674c045$1@linux... >>>>> The reason for the new film SICKO.. I really don't under stand those >>>>> who >>>>> say >>>>> they don;t want a national health care system. >>>>> >>>>> It's not until the current medical/Insurance system reams you and >>>>> yours >>>>> then >>>>> do you 'see why it's needed'. But knoowwww The Gove will do a even >>>>> wost >>>>> job. >>>>> That Bull-Shit!! At least, the bill will get paid.. Ok, I can hear >>>>> someone >>>>> saying by who?? >>>> The reason that these doctors are not taking Medicare patients is >>>> because >>>> the government runs it in such a wonderful way. >>>> >>>> >>If I was going to spend $5k on a console (isn't that what youse guys said these things were going for?), I would hunt down a Trident Series-24, either a 24 or 32-channel version. They can be had for that kind of price range. Digital mixing, I can already get that ITB - I wouldn't need to spend another $5k on it. Neil "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: > >Chris, I know that i'm spliting hairs, but one of the things that bugs me >about the DM2K VCM is to use the new VCM effecs, yu give up the 8 dsp (FX) >processors..Meaning , I can't have those new comps and eqs on every channel >in place of the stock EQ and comp.. > >I wish they would mak a new version that replaces the on-board eqs and comps. >They are not bad.. > >I agree with you about tascams service, that's why I've waited till they >worked most of the bugs out of the DM3200/4800.. They've seem to really be >behind this product. Back in 2000. I enjoyed the sound of the then DM24 even >over the 02.. > >To my ears, the Tascams mixers converters have more low end balls. The eqs >and comps work and the pres are nice..Ergonomicaly, the layout of the 3200 >& 4800 are just what this industry have been asking for..witha price piint >that's tailor made for the mid-pro market... > > >Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote: >>Hi Lamont, >>Yes the Tascam would be good possibilities too. I tend not to recommend > >>thing because too many bad experiences with the company from a dealer >>stand point and from a warranty and tech support stand point. But in >>general the higher end stuff tends to be good from them. >>Chris >> >> >>LaMont wrote: >>> Yeah what chris said..Also, I'm really considering (2) Tascams Dm4800 >these >>> are under 5k and the layout is fabulous!! >>> >>> DJ, my friend I know you have the furman thing, but a mixer, any mixer >will >>> make your life easier.. >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote: >>> >>>> HI DJ, >>>> Less than analog console. >>>> The DM2000 VCM has 6 expansion slots with the right combination of >>>> expansion cards you can have up to 96 channels of I/O A48k or 48 chs >@ >>>> 96k. You can mix most any of th exp cards they have so you can replicate >>>> >>> >>> >>>> the current I/O needs you have now. If you want to bypass their analog > >>>> I/O you can easily hookup your ADI8DS to use with any analog effects >or >>>> >>> >>> >>>> Mic-Pres if needed. >>>> You can at some point replace all or some of those RME cards with a >>>> single Madi and make the routing allot easier. Yamaha is supposedly >>>> working on their own MY-Madi card but it won't be out for awhile. The > >>>> 3rd party one is stupid expensive for no reason. Now that we are >>>> building the recording systems for Yamaha Commercial Audio we get to >be >>>> >>> >>> >>>> dealers. :) >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> DJ wrote: >>>> >>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes. > >>>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't >need >>>>> >>> the >>> >>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME >HDSP >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono Channels >>>>> >>> of >>> >>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif? >>>>> >>>>> ;o) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467438ac$1@linux... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> David. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill L wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even >>>>>>> >>> low >>> >>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset >>>>>>> >>> that >>> >>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central as >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that >>>>>>> >>> and >>> >>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes >life >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and > >>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console >>>>>>> >>> as >>> >>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> level. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wireline wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons >of >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> homework, >>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best >>>>>>>> >>> DAW >>> >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> (again) >>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> analog >>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that >>>>>>>> >>> I >>> >>>>>>>> am, >>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for >>>>>>>> tracking...kind >>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got >32 >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> channels >>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the >>>>>>>> >>> Mac >>> >>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ... >>>>>>>> K >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chris Ludwig >>>> ADK >>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com> >>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/> >>>> (859) 635-5762 >>>> >>> >>> >> >>-- >>Chris Ludwig >>ADK >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com> >>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/> >>(859) 635-5762 >The best deal in an analog board for tracking/monitoring has to be the Toft ATB: http://mercenary.com/toaudeatbmi.html Graham"LaMOnt " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:46755eae$1@linux... > > Aaron please read my last post. My question to those who think like you > is: > "Then, what is the cure"?? I did read you last post, which prompted mine. Let me elaborate since you don't see what I meant. the 'govt' way is to beat down the vendor to the lowest denominator, then hold the >payment as long as you possibly can. Let's not even get into the >'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care worker >because >of govt mandates. >Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need the fed >gov't doing it? NO. The cure. That's not easy, nor is it going to be fast or smooth. I'd approach it as a layered answer, like almost all problems in life, and see what works. What works will depend on so many variables, like region, patient, nature of illness, how the illness was obtained, cure/easing of symptoms, procedures involved, doctors, insurance, hospital, etc.... Calculating for those variables will be a mountain, however I think the very first thing we have to do is stop the leeching and free riders. Illegals? Sorry, you will not be admitted to the hospital because we're tired of you sucking the life out of our economy. Welfare? You're likely to be in line behind the guys that have prepaid through insurance or other programs. Don't like it? Get legal, get registered, get a job, start paying taxes and insurance like the legal working population. Harsh? Yeah. Necessary? At this point, yeah - think it is because where we're headed is a train wreck for everyone and I can see the wheels coming off as we speak. At this point there is no gentle answer, there has been too much ripping off going too many ways to fix it nicely. I pay taxes, I pay insurance and I take the best care of my self as I possibly can. So, explain to me why should I have to buy healthcare for someone who doesn't? And that is 'exactly' the problem with entitlement. Too many people feel entitled to sit on their asses and collect welfare and debt free health care as it is on the backs of those that work for a living. Gov't has got a real historical problem with handling that particular because entitlement becomes dependant voters for party lines, particularly Democrats but not necessarily always. Corruption is corruption. I have a huge problem with bribery like that. I've seen it in business practices and I've seen it in gov't and I'm sick of it. *Here, let me help you* becomes *now you need me to survive so you better do what I say or I'll cut you off*. You can't seriously not see that. Jesus saw it. Teach a man to fish.. ringing any bells? > > If we are waiting on big business to continue to foot the bill for > employer > pid medical insurance, well, thoes days are coming to and drastic end. > Even > with the employers like GM are not going to continue to give their > employee > top notch medical care. Nope, they're not going to continue it. Everyone is tired of being bilked for being responsible by those that aren't. The $100 aspirin? That is very very likely to have come from greasy suit happy lawyers/clients and free loaders. > > This is a cultural issure. Tehre are those in this country who belive that > great health care is not for all , but only to those who can afford it.. There are those that believe it should be given scot free to them from my hard work. Your point? This isn't cultural unless you count illegal entry into the country and laziness as a culture. Add welfare state to that, though it's not a 100% as are not the other catagories. Unfortunately we don't have the resources to successfully divide these groups into the trying/not trying sub groups with exception to the laziness group. > > Now: other than the top 3 percent earners in this country, who can pay for > a decent medical insurance plan (not top notched) today??? Not many > families > can afford on average $600-1000 per month for health care..With rising > fuel > cost, food, utilities...it's just not in the budget for mant these days.. Where did those figures arive from? I'm not saying health care 'is' affordable, but I would like to get some idea of how you came to those numbers as an average. > > And, if you are one of fortunate millionairs, well, you are only one > catstrophic > illness away from seeing all of your fortune sucked away...That's > horrible!! > to work hard to acheive financial freedom, only to have it sucked from you > because you "aford it"... What happens when another loved one has some > debilitating > disorder ???? Millionaire or not, we all face this divide. Being super rich or super broke makes no difference here. At current system/rates, they'll get your money for any serious long term illness either way. And old age is considered a long term illness these days, curable only by death. That sucks, but it's a reality we all better prepare for in the event we live into retirement or beyond. > > The goverment system won't be great, but if packaged as a 60-70 percent > "supplement" > to your employer or self paid medical plan, then all can have dignified > health > coverage. And who pays the other 30-40 percent on those that are here illegal (how would you collect on an illegal _anyway_ with the feds?), live on welfare or don't have insurance/money? Our employers, reflected back to the cost of their goods and what they can pay us for producing them. That's right.. right back where we are now. Those that have will not have for long because those that don't will take it away through gov't mandate and the law of economics. The average Joe gets screwed again. We'll pay for the poor through taxes, then again through the health care overages we'll have to provide post gov't supplement. Any fool can look at social security (hah, what a misnomer) and see what will happen. I've been paying my life on a fund that I'm likely to never collect upon. I'm not willing to add another to that list. Entitlement is crap and it doesn't work for any length of time before becoming corruption. Sorry man, I don't see this working. But it's a nice thought. We've got to start dealing with our border and overpopulation problems because so many things are a result of this root issue. AA > > > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: >>Exactly Deej. I can tell you right now first hand experience that the >>'govt' > >>way is to beat down the vendor to the lowest denominator, then hold the > >>payment as long as you possibly can. Let's not even get into the >>'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care worker >>because > >>of govt mandates. >>Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need the fed > >>gov't doing it? NO. >> >>AA >> >>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:467556c0$1@linux... >>> >>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message >>> news:4674c045$1@linux... >>>> >>>> The reason for the new film SICKO.. I really don't under stand those > who >>>> say >>>> they don;t want a national health care system. >>>> >>>> It's not until the current medical/Insurance system reams you and yours > >>>> then >>>> do you 'see why it's needed'. But knoowwww The Gove will do a even wost > >>>> job. >>>> That Bull-Shit!! At least, the bill will get paid.. Ok, I can hear >>>> someone >>>> saying by who?? >> >> >>> The reason that these doctors are not taking Medicare patients is >>> because > >>> the government runs it in such a wonderful way. >> >> >Graham Duncan <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote: >The best deal in an analog board for tracking/monitoring has to be the >Toft ATB: > >http://mercenary.com/toaudeatbmi.html OHH MY!!!!!!!!!!!! :)Thanks Jeff and Tom. Deleting the default project allowed PARIS to launch and from there I could get into my projects. "John Shapiro" <me at johnshapiro dot com> wrote in message news:4674ce06@linux... >I currently have 3 EDS cards and want to reduce to 2 as well as remove an >8in card (trying to pair down the parts of my system that I don't use). I >have tried a couple different configurations of reducing cards, 1 card and >2 cards. I have also tried saving a new project (while three cards are >installed) that deletes the third submix. I get the same error regardless >of whether I open the default project or another project that works with 3 >cards: > > An error has occurred whil reading the "Default Project" for a new > project. A new empty project will be created instead. There are not > enough resources. > > Unhandled Exception: c0000005 > At Address: 0048c425 > > Any suggestions, or am I stuck with 3 cards in my system if I want to read > all my old project files. > > Thanks in advance, > John > > >I thought this would be useful info to share with the group per the original post of April 27: LynxTwo series cards(various analog i/o configurations) with the LS-ADAT expansion board work the way one would expect. I can acheive sample accurate synced from PARIS to Cubase via ADAT sync(9-pin D-type)/ASIO positioning protocol. The main thing I want to achieve is a 2 really good pro level A/D D/A convertors on my Cubase box and still be able to use PARIS convertors or sync the two boxes if I wanted. I wanted to do all of this at a reasonable price. I ended up getting a used L22 (2 analog i/o). Lynx convertors seem quite good and the support from Lynx is the best I have ever experienced from any kind of music company. All and all, I was able to make this upgrade for an addition $250 after selling my RME. So the bottom line: there is another option for sample accurate sync besides RME. Cheers, John Original Posts: Hi, It's been a couple years since I have posted. I am currently using an RME card to sync a Paris computer to a Cubase computer via ADAT. It works great. I am looking to get a Lynx card for the AD/DA conversion quality/simply my setup when I am using Cubase only. and I would like to sell the RME card to offset the cost/consolidate things. I'm certainly not going to ditch the RME if that is the only thing that works, but if someone else has ever successfully synced a Lynx to Paris via ADAT, please let me know. I searched the other posts, but I couldn't find any mention of this sync. Cheers, John Chris, Thanks for all the info. I appreciate it. I was actually talking about the LynxTwo or L22 card with the addon LS-ADAT card which has light pipe I/O and an ADAT sync in port (9-pin D-type). I didn't know if that was something that would actually sync to PARIS or not. It sounds like it won't work even though. The Aurora is out of my price range and I just looked up the Micstacy and that is twice as much as the Aurora. The main thing I want to achieve is a 2 or 4 really good pro level A/D D/A convertors on my Cubase box at a reasonable price. That way I wouldn't have to use PARIS for Cubase only projects. If I could sell my RME card and still get ADAT sync, that would better. I have read a lot of good things about the Lynx convertors comparing well to the more expensive Apogee, Lavry, etc. Of course, I have never heard any of these convertors. I would say if the sound as good as the PARIS convertors, that would be great. If I noticed for whatever subjective reason they could sound better than PARIS, that would be even better. So I guess back to the original question with more specifics: Has anyone synced the PARIS ADAT sync out to a Lynx LS-ADAT sync in which is hooked into a Lynx Two or L22? Also, does anyone have any thoughts about Lynx convertors compared to other stuff in that price range like the RME stuff or whatnot? Thanks, JohnJohn Shapiro wrote: > Thanks Jeff and Tom. > > Deleting the default project allowed PARIS to launch and from there I could > get into my projects. > > Glad you're up and running. JH > "John Shapiro" <me at johnshapiro dot com> wrote in message > news:4674ce06@linux... > >>I currently have 3 EDS cards and want to reduce to 2 as well as remove an >>8in card (trying to pair down the parts of my system that I don't use). I >>have tried a couple different configurations of reducing cards, 1 card and >>2 cards. I have also tried saving a new project (while three cards are >>installed) that deletes the third submix. I get the same error regardless >>of whether I open the default project or another project that works with 3 >>cards: >> >>An error has occurred whil reading the "Default Project" for a new >>project. A new empty project will be created instead. There are not >>enough resources. >> >>Unhandled Exception: c0000005 >>At Address: 0048c425 >> >>Any suggestions, or am I stuck with 3 cards in my system if I want to read >>all my old project files. >> >>Thanks in advance, >>John >> >> >> > >Does anyone know of an app for Windows XP that when you log off/ shut down it will return the system to its previous state, including removing all newly created files? Basically like ghosting the drive with no user intervention? Thanks in advance, JeffNaw.. Being from Motown(Home of Rock n Roll), I grew up like many geetar players immersed into the 70's rock scene. It's a very diverse place (Detroit) for music. Ilove and respect all genres of music. Personally, I tooka musical turn while in my late teens to Jazz, Gospel, and my forte funk..But, still played Rock at times thru out the 80's. Hey!!, you had to play that Eddie Van Halen Beat It solo! Lol! to be taken seriously in those days.. It's funny, I still have my Red Kramer Axes from the 80's.. I have them disasembled, but those babies with the floyd roses and 3 dual rail (single coil) ducan humbuckers screamed!! "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote: > >Thanks, Lamont - actually I'm kinda surprised you like it, >considering that it's so far removed from the genres you said >you normally work in. > >forth! (kinda like the baby lizard-thang in "Alien", but not as >life-threateneing LOL) > >Neil > > >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >> >>Again, I'm really digging this band.Fresh.. Good job Neil.. >> >>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote: >>> >>>Not finals, necessarily, but close enough to where it'll just >>>be a tweak or two before they're finished. I'll hand it to >>>these guys - they're into some weird shit, but at least they >>>don't want everything louder than everything else, and they >>>don't want all the tops of all the waveforms looking like a >>>bunch of Darfurian refugees standing in a canoe. >>> >>>I think the guitars might be a bit raspy in a few places, but >>>the guys like 'em as-is. >>> >>>Comments welcome.... >>> >>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/DiMakina-JustWhenUThough t-Mix1.mp3 >>> >>> >>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/DiMakina-JimmyThePill-Mi x1.mp3 >>> >>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/DiMakina-Panophobia-Mix1 .mp3 >>> >>> >>>Enjoy! >>> >>>Neil >> >Hi DJ, The 9652's are not being discontinued. They are putting out a PCI-E version. The DM2k was replaced not discontinued. :) I think your new Indian name will be Johnny Darkcloud. :) Chris DJ wrote: > Well heck, if it's discontinued, it's right up my alley. It can replace my > discontinued Steinberg Houston.and interface with my *soon to be* > discontinued RME HDSP 9652's. > > I'm starting to feel right at home again. I picked up a Demeter VTCL the > other day. Went to their site to DL a manual and guess what???........yep, > it's now *vintage*. It will feel right at home here in the *Studio Of The > Living Dead*. > > > > "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message > news:46755517@linux... > >> HI Bill, >> Yes AFAIK the only major update is the DSP increase and the quality and >> number of effects. I think also the mixers software has more routing >> options but haven't A/Bed it with an old one yet. >> Which of the smaller ones? The 01v96v2 and o2r96v2 or the DM1000v2? I >> think the o1v96 is the only one currently that has a chance to be >> discontinued. But normally they just replace and upgrade. That ones >> feature set is getting long in th e tooth. >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> Bill L wrote: >> >>> Chris, >>> >>> I took a look at their site and they do show the DM series as >>> discontinued. Are the new ones basically the same, but with a s/w update? >>> >>> I also saw some new smaller digital mixers that look kinda cool, w/ more >>> dedicated knobs than most small format digital mixers have. Know anything >>> about those? >>> >>> Chris Ludwig wrote: >>> >>>> HI Bill, >>>> Yes if just using the little screen. Using the Studio manager software >>>> makes it about easy as using a DAW. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> Bill L wrote: >>>> >>>>> I hope that does not stand fro Very Complicated Matrix. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nope just updated to the VCM version. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> wireline wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hmmm... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At the risk of being very unpopular, the Dm2000, while an asTOUNDING >>>>>>> board, >>>>>>> is discontinued last I heard...and as with all things digital, once >>>>>>> discontinued, >>>>>>> lack of any support whatsoever is not far behind...I would think very >>>>>>> hard >>>>>>> about the DM2000 (even though I really was amazed at just how good it >>>>>>> sounds) >>>>>>> or even a Sony RMX100... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That said, none of my boards are current production models, even the >>>>>>> companies >>>>>>> have changed hands drastically or are out of the pro audio biz...but >>>>>>> parts >>>>>>> are readily available, and there are no digital issues, software, etc >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> be concerned about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Last FWIW: Otari made a really handy board - had no preamps, just >>>>>>> tape returns, >>>>>>> auxes out the wazoo, sources I trust say the EQ was a silent miracle, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> (get this) 48 channels of Eagle automation.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just an FYI >>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes. >>>>>>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't >>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME >>>>>>>> HDSP >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono >>>>>>>> Channels >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ;o) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:467438ac$1@linux... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bill L wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and >>>>>>>>>> even low >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the >>>>>>>>>> mindset >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central >>>>>>>>>> as possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does >>>>>>>>>> that and >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes >>>>>>>>>> life >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, >>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and >>>>>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital >>>>>>>>>> console >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an >>>>>>>>>> analog >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and >>>>>>>>>> quality >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> level. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wireline wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> homework, >>>>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the >>>>>>>>>>> best DAW >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for >>>>>>>>>>> monitoring... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging >>>>>>>>>>> everything >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> (again) >>>>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all >>>>>>>>>>> the analog >>>>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> am, >>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for >>>>>>>>>>> tracking...kind >>>>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got >>>>>>>>>>> 32 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> channels >>>>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of >>>>>>>>>>> the Mac >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ... >>>>>>>>>>> K >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> -- >> Chris Ludwig >> ADK >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com> >> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/> >> (859) 635-5762 >> > > > -- Chris Ludwig ADK chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/> (859) 635-5762ITB. I hear ya.. But, to my ears, the best ITB mixers (DAWS) are Paris #1..Logic Audio #2..Digital Perfomer #3...Nuendo/Cubase..#4...Pro Tools ..#5.. Sonar ..#6. I'm listening to your mixes and if that's in the box form Cubase..Whew!! we!!!... Nice!! The Trident..Yes!! Excellen choice. "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote: > >If I was going to spend $5k on a console (isn't that what youse >guys said these things were going for?), I would hunt down a >Trident Series-24, either a 24 or 32-channel version. They can >be had for that kind of price range. > >Digital mixing, I can already get that ITB - I wouldn't need to >spend another $5k on it. > >Neil > > >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >> >>Chris, I know that i'm spliting hairs, but one of the things that bugs me >>about the DM2K VCM is to use the new VCM effecs, yu give up the 8 dsp (FX) >>processors..Meaning , I can't have those new comps and eqs on every channel >>in place of the stock EQ and comp.. >> >>I wish they would mak a new version that replaces the on-board eqs and comps. >>They are not bad.. >> >>I agree with you about tascams service, that's why I've waited till they >>worked most of the bugs out of the DM3200/4800.. They've seem to really >be >>behind this product. Back in 2000. I enjoyed the sound of the then DM24 >even >>over the 02.. >> >>To my ears, the Tascams mixers converters have more low end balls. The eqs >>and comps work and the pres are nice..Ergonomicaly, the layout of the 3200 >>& 4800 are just what this industry have been asking for..witha price piint >>that's tailor made for the mid-pro market... >> >> >>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote: >>>Hi Lamont, >>>Yes the Tascam would be good possibilities too. I tend not to recommend >> >>>thing because too many bad experiences with the company from a dealer >>>stand point and from a warranty and tech support stand point. But in >>>general the higher end stuff tends to be good from them. >>>Chris >>> >>> >>>LaMont wrote: >>>> Yeah what chris said..Also, I'm really considering (2) Tascams Dm4800 >>these >>>> are under 5k and the layout is fabulous!! >>>> >>>> DJ, my friend I know you have the furman thing, but a mixer, any mixer >>will >>>> make your life easier.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> HI DJ, >>>>> Less than analog console. >>>>> The DM2000 VCM has 6 expansion slots with the right combination of >>>>> expansion cards you can have up to 96 channels of I/O A48k or 48 chs >>@ >>>>> 96k. You can mix most any of th exp cards they have so you can replicate >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the current I/O needs you have now. If you want to bypass their analog >> >>>>> I/O you can easily hookup your ADI8DS to use with any analog effects >>or >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Mic-Pres if needed. >>>>> You can at some point replace all or some of those RME cards with a > >>>>> single Madi and make the routing allot easier. Yamaha is supposedly > >>>>> working on their own MY-Madi card but it won't be out for awhile. The >> >>>>> 3rd party one is stupid expensive for no reason. Now that we are >>>>> building the recording systems for Yamaha Commercial Audio we get to >>be >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> dealers. :) >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> DJ wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes. >> >>>>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't >>need >>>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME >>HDSP >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono Channels >>>>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif? >>>>>> >>>>>> ;o) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467438ac$1@linux... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill L wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even >>>>>>>> >>>> low >>>> >>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset >>>>>>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central >as >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that >>>>>>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes >>life >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and >> >>>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console >>>>>>>> >>>> as >>>> >>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> level. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wireline wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons >>of >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> homework, >>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best >>>>>>>>> >>>> DAW >>>> >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> (again) >>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> analog >>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that >>>>>>>>> >>>> I >>>> >>>>>>>>> am, >>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for >>>>>>>>> tracking...kind >>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got >>32 >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> channels >>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the >>>>>>>>> >>>> Mac >>>> >>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ... >>>>>>>>> K >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Chris Ludwig >>>>> ADK >>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com> >>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/> >>>>> (859) 635-5762 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>-- >>>Chris Ludwig >>>ADK >>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com> >>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/> >>>(859) 635-5762 >> >HI Neil, How much do the 24 to 32 analog AD/DA cost that we are going to need for hooking up this trident? :) Chris Neil wrote: > If I was going to spend $5k on a console (isn't that what youse > guys said these things were going for?), I would hunt down a > Trident Series-24, either a 24 or 32-channel version. They can > be had for that kind of price range. > > Digital mixing, I can already get that ITB - I wouldn't need to > spend another $5k on it. > > Neil > > > "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: > >> Chris, I know that i'm spliting hairs, but one of the things that bugs me >> about the DM2K VCM is to use the new VCM effecs, yu give up the 8 dsp (FX) >> processors..Meaning , I can't have those new comps and eqs on every channel >> in place of the stock EQ and comp.. >> >> I wish they would mak a new version that replaces the on-board eqs and comps. >> They are not bad.. >> >> I agree with you about tascams service, that's why I've waited till they >> worked most of the bugs out of the DM3200/4800.. They've seem to really >> > be > >> behind this product. Back in 2000. I enjoyed the sound of the then DM24 >> > even > >> over the 02.. >> >> To my ears, the Tascams mixers converters have more low end balls. The eqs >> and comps work and the pres are nice..Ergonomicaly, the layout of the 3200 >> & 4800 are just what this industry have been asking for..witha price piint >> that's tailor made for the mid-pro market... >> >> >> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Lamont, >>> Yes the Tascam would be good possibilities too. I tend not to recommend >>> >>> thing because too many bad experiences with the company from a dealer >>> stand point and from a warranty and tech support stand point. But in >>> general the higher end stuff tends to be good from them. >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> LaMont wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah what chris said..Also, I'm really considering (2) Tascams Dm4800 >>>> >> these >> >>>> are under 5k and the layout is fabulous!! >>>> >>>> DJ, my friend I know you have the furman thing, but a mixer, any mixer >>>> >> will >> >>>> make your life easier.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> HI DJ, >>>>> Less than analog console. >>>>> The DM2000 VCM has 6 expansion slots with the right combination of >>>>> expansion cards you can have up to 96 channels of I/O A48k or 48 chs >>>>> >> @ >> >>>>> 96k. You can mix most any of th exp cards they have so you can replicate >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the current I/O needs you have now. If you want to bypass their analog >>>>> >>>>> I/O you can easily hookup your ADI8DS to use with any analog effects >>>>> >> or >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Mic-Pres if needed. >>>>> You can at some point replace all or some of those RME cards with a >>>>> > > >>>>> single Madi and make the routing allot easier. Yamaha is supposedly >>>>> > > >>>>> working on their own MY-Madi card but it won't be out for awhile. The >>>>> >>>>> 3rd party one is stupid expensive for no reason. Now that we are >>>>> building the recording systems for Yamaha Commercial Audio we get to >>>>> >> be >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> dealers. :) >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> DJ wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't >>>>>> >> need >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME >>>>>> >> HDSP >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono Channels >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>> >>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif? >>>>>> >>>>>> ;o) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467438ac$1@linux... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill L wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> low >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central >>>>>>>> > as > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes >>>>>>>> >> life >> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> as >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> level. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wireline wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons >>>>>>>>> >> of >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> homework, >>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> DAW >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> (again) >>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> analog >>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> I >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> am, >>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for >>>>>>>>> tracking...kind >>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got >>>>>>>>> >> 32 >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> channels >>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> Mac >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ... >>>>>>>>> K >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Chris Ludwig >>>>> ADK >>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com> >>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/> >>>>> (859) 635-5762 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Chris Ludwig >>> ADK >>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com> >>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/> >>> (859) 635-5762 >>> > > -- Chris Ludwig ADK chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/> (859) 635-5762Hi Graham, Saw a prototype of this a couple AES shows ago and it was very cool. Haven't heard on off the show floor though to know how they sound. Supposedly future Firewire and digital I/O options. So it's got potential. Chris Graham Duncan wrote: > The best deal in an analog board for tracking/monitoring has to be the > Toft ATB: > > http://mercenary.com/toaudeatbmi.html > > > Graham -- Chris Ludwig ADK chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/> (859) 635-5762HI Jeff, Umm I think you can do something to that effect with Acronis using the task scheduling functions in it. Don't have the ability to test that atm. Is this something you want to do every time you boot? What sort of craziness are you up to that you need to do that? Chris Jeff Hoover wrote: > Does anyone know of an app for Windows XP that when you log off/ shut > down it will return the system to its previous state, including > removing all newly created files? Basically like ghosting the drive > with no user intervention? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jeff -- Chris Ludwig ADK chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/> (859) 635-5762hey Aaron, you said.."So, explain to me why should I have to buy healthcare for someone who doesn't?" I'll gladly pay for someone elses healthcare. I've been in corp american since 1982, so I've paid some taxes. But, that's cool. One day your turn will come. No matter how well you take care of yourself, you're gonna die. And die of something probably not nice.. let me ask you why do think yur President and other like him want such an influx of mexicans to the us?? To them, it must be some need. You sound like a lot of southern whites back in the 1700 & early 1800's when african slaves were being brought in the US. They screamed of over population things. Is the US over populated? Do we have enough land for more people? There are those who think that spending over a trillion dollars for a sensless war in the ultimate abuse of mis-apropiations of our tax dollars. What could we do with a trillion dollars back home?? So what you work, I work 2 and I am pro union (never been part of one) and pro SS#. I'm also Pro Gun .. Aaron , today many of hard hard working so-called legal americans don;t have health coverage and Can't afdord it. Business are not offering them any longer..What other choice do we have?? Why are he only Super power without a national healthc care system. When did we become so cynical and not care about our brothers and sisters? God, put us on the earth to be a blessing to others By wyes teahing them to fish, but Jesus stated that it is better to give then to revieve. To become stingy, and self-centered is not he way. Aren't we all in some kinda way illegal aliens except for the Native Americans and their cousins to the North the(Eskimos) and to the south (Mexicans)..?? The real crooks are those in DC. They have been piliging our money since they found out that we were broke after our independence. heen , they start a suedo monarchy system called democracy and started taxing us like the British did. You get elected to congress or the senate..server one term, salry for life and free health care for life. Vote for your raises, amke deals (pork) big business .on and on.. The point is..At a point since they are hell bent on never giving us back our money and making any good on it..Why not get something for it(tax money) that we can actually see.. Corruption (national health care) yes..But, so is this war..Haliburton??? People will profit big tiem form a national health care system, But, many people will get the help they need in the process.. "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: > >"LaMOnt " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:46755eae$1@linux... >> >> Aaron please read my last post. My question to those who think like you >> is: >> "Then, what is the cure"?? > >I did read you last post, which prompted mine. Let me elaborate since you >don't see what I meant. > >the 'govt' way is to beat down the vendor to the lowest denominator, then >hold the >>payment as long as you possibly can. Let's not even get into the >>'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care worker >>because >>of govt mandates. >>Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need the fed >>gov't doing it? NO. > > >The cure. That's not easy, nor is it going to be fast or smooth. I'd >approach it as a layered answer, like almost all problems in life, and see >what works. What works will depend on so many variables, like region, >patient, nature of illness, how the illness was obtained, cure/easing of >symptoms, procedures involved, doctors, insurance, hospital, etc.... >Calculating for those variables will be a mountain, however I think the very >first thing we have to do is stop the leeching and free riders. Illegals? >Sorry, you will not be admitted to the hospital because we're tired of you >sucking the life out of our economy
. Welfare? You're likely to be in line >behind the guys that have prepaid through insurance or other programs. Don't >like it? Get legal, get registered, get a job, start paying taxes and >insurance like the legal working population. Harsh? Yeah. Necessary? At this >point, yeah - think it is because where we're headed is a train wreck for >everyone and I can see the wheels coming off as we speak. At this point >there is no gentle answer, there has been too much ripping off going too >many ways to fix it nicely. I pay taxes, I pay insurance and I take the best >care of my self as I possibly can. So, explain to me why should I have to >buy healthcare for someone who doesn't? > >And that is 'exactly' the problem with entitlement. Too many people feel >entitled to sit on their asses and collect welfare and debt free health care >as it is on the backs of those that work for a living. Gov't has got a real >historical problem with handling that particular because entitlement becomes >dependant voters for pa