another miserable night in Paris! should I switch?
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Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch?
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=3A357264&nclm=Promos" target="_blank"> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?mco=3A357264&nclm=Promos http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/6744003/wo/8a2DIlmx7GQU2lkqa3dIKAsjFm1/1.0.0.21.1.0.8.7. 1.4.1.1 James "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: > >There are some things to consider. To start the Dell cost $125.00 more to >add the Core 2 Duo 1.8GHz, Or $200.00 more for the 2.0 GHz, so you looking >at $875.00 to $950.00 to start. The Dell has a 15.4" screen, which I think >is an advantage over the MacBook, although some people would Prefer the Compactness >of the MacBook's size. Jobs said some years ago that Apple buys the vary >best LCD screens, they pay more for first choice and their competitors buy >their rejects. I don't know if that's the truth
, but I'm sure you guys would >say BS! > >Anyways, the MacBook comes with a full version of Mac OSX, not a cut down >home addition. It would cost more to get XP Pro, so you would have to add >another hundred bucks. The MacBook comes with similar software to MS 8, >address book, iCal etc.. > >The MacBook also comes with the ilife suite of software. I would value that >at a bout two to three hundred dollars. If you consider say, Acid For GarageBand >your looking at around a hundred bucks. You would also have to come up with >the following: Comparable DVD authoring software that is as good as iDVD. > A Photo program that is as good as iPhoto for editing and organizing photos >and a High Definition video editing software that is as good as iMovie HD. > There is also iWeb for web page building that integrates with iPhoto, GarageBand, >and iMovie to up load your multi media to your web Pages, and list your stuff >on the iTunes store. It also has integrated Pod Casts software. The iBook >has front Row, a multimedia playing and organizing software, with a wireless >hardware remote control. > >The MacBook also has a built in isight video camera/ still camera, with iChat >audio video conferencing software. Built in wireless, including Bluetooth >2.0+EDR, I don't believe the Dell has Bluetooth???. The MacBook also has >built in firewire, I'm not sure if the Dell has that??? I don't know about >the Dell, the MacBook has the ability to plug in up to a 24" monitor for >extended desk top at up to 1920 x 1200 resolution. The MB has 6 hours of >battery life, I don't know about the Dell??? Industries say that Macs have >better used resale value, i don't know if that's true but it something to >consider. The MacBook has the advantage of being able to run more operating >systems, thus, the ability to run more software, which gives you more choices. > >I think if you add it all up, they are comparable Price wise, and one may >have
the edge. > >James > >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: >> >> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us& cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bndwe4j&s=bsd >> >>Core Duo laptop, 15.4" screen, DVD burner, 1 GB memory. $750 >> >>There are better deals on occasion but this is the current sweet spot. I >>set up two of them last week. >> >>TCB >> >>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>Hey Thad! I was checking Dell's prices, I didn't see any Core 2 Duo lap >>tops >>>for $750.00. I could be wrong, but it looks like they start at $1299. > >>I >>>wonder what they would cost similarly configured? >>> >>>I think Apple typically makes more margin per unit, well that's what I've >>>read. As a dealer margins were always tight. In the past Apple manufactured >>>proprietary hardware, and they just didn't sell the number of units that >>>PC manufactures did to have low prices. With Intel, it's a whole new ball >>>game for Apple. I would think Dell still buys 10 times as much stuff from >>>Intel as Apple does. Dell probably gets better pricing. >>> >>>I have seen Dell do a thousand dollar rebate on their lap tops. When that >>>happens, Apple will not be able to compete. >>> >>> http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/notebooks ?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs >>> >>>James >>> >>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel processors. >>>>You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech. >>>> >>>>My point, which I stated fairly clearly, was that I have often heard the >>>>argument made that the reason Apple hardware is pricier than an equivalent >>>>Dell or home build is because they use superior components in their machines. >>>>That's nonsense. Having seen their 'low end' laptop which runs about $1300 >>>>I can say for sure that aside from the slot loading optical drive and >a >>>nice >>>>black case it's a slight downgrade from a $750 Dell. If the optical drive >>>&
uper special' and thus justifies the higher price. Intel >chipset, >>>>>> Intel integrated graphics, Atheros wireless, Marvell NIC, generic firewire >>>>>> controller. The CD/DVD burner was the slot loading kind, so that's >slightly >>>>>> cool (unless you want to pop out the CD before the machine boots when >>>>it's >>>>>> nice to have a physical switch), but that's about the only thing unusual >>>>>> about the hardware. If you were to show me the XP device list for a >>Mac >>>>Book >>>>>> and the same list from a Dell 640m (two of which I've also set up recently) >>>>>> I would have given a _slight_ preference to the Dell, mostly because >>>it >>>>uses >>>>>> an Intel wireless chipset that does b/g/n and bluetooth on one chip, >>>and >>>>>> I've had very good luck with those wireless cards. A 640m also has >a >>>larger >>>>>> screed and costs around $750. >>>>>> >>>>>> In better news, I wound up on modular synth dreamland for about five >>>hours >>>>>> last night, wiring up my John Bowen Pro Wave into modular patches and >>>>using >>>>>> it to feed vocoders and all of the things that make computer recording >>>>worth >>>>>> it. Then I forgot to save the presets, but hey, that's the way it goes. >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> TCB >>>> >>> >> >Cool - I would hope it would - e.g. there shouldn't be a technical reason why not unless the motherboard doesn't support it. That's a continual challenge for both platforms though - every motherboard isn't upgradeable (at least not beyond a certain point as processors/socket types change), and every motherboard doesn't have the best PCI slot options. On 1/14/07 2:50 PM, in article 45aaa2b3@linux, "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: > > One of those tech web sites (ars technica?) dropped the quad core into a > Mac Pro and it ran. No link handy, sorry. > > OSX standalone would be great. > > Cheers, > -Jamie > www.JamieKrutz.com > > > Dedric Terry wrote: >> On 1/14/07 1:38 PM, in article 45aa86a2$1@linux, "Nappy" >> <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote: >> >>> Oh ya,did I mention,it runs both OSX and XP >>> >>> >> Which since they are the same hardware, begs the question as to why any core >> 2 duo computer can't run OSX. Oh, that's right, Steve J. won't let us. :-) >> >> So...what's the more flexible, cost effective, scalable hardware? ;-) >> This is all in good fun, btw. Just for sake of conversation more than >> anything.... >> >> Serious Q: Can you buy a Mac core 2 duo that is compatible with a quad core >> cpu? I am doubting it since there are only a few motherboards that support >> both currently, and I believe the current core 2 duo Macs were designed >> before quads really hit the market, but I am curious if anyone knows. >> >> The kicker on this one for me is that I can build a core 2 duo PC today for >> less than, or about the same cost of the same core 2 duo cpu Mac but with >> more PCI/PCIe slots, more Sata ports, higher buss speed, more RAM, dual DVI, >> wireless bluetooth, *and* be able to upgrade to a quad core cpu by simply >> dropping one in whenever I want. (That's what I'll be putting together in >> the next month - it's already spec'd ou
in the ability to assign IRQs. ;o) "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45aa8362@linux... > > Don't get a Mac Deej. If we don't hear at least one story every month > about an amazing cobbled together Deej DAW contraption, we will die. ;^) > > Cheers, > -Jamie > www.JamieKrutz.com > > > DJ wrote: >> I really thought hard about jumping into this, especially since I wasn't >> accused of hating Macs, but it's worse than arguing politics. >> >> :O) >> >> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message >> news:C1CFB853.6939%dterry@keyofd.net... >>> On 1/14/07 9:53 AM, in article 45aa5d12@linux, "Jamie K" >>> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>> >>>> You're right Dedric, they're all computers. They have always used >>>> similar components and people argued about the differences. Now that >>>> they use pretty much the same components, there's still room to discuss >>>> what differences remain. >>>> >>>> The difference between OSX and, say, Vista, is more than the look of >>>> the >>>> GUI and logos. While there are strong similarities, different >>>> philosophies and implementations create different user experiences. How >>>> much of that difference matters to you will influence your desire to >>>> waste time on these threads. :^) >>> Of course - I was just giving you guys a hard time because you seemed to >>> be >>> arguing the same point from different perspectives. It's always best to >>> evaluate tech gear for what it is rather than how it is marketed. >>>> But if you just want to get down the hill and don't see much difference >>>> in how you get there, a snowboard is as good as skis. No real >>>> difference... >>> Skis are better :-) ...and it's important to enjoy the whole mountain, >>> not >>> just the groomed runs. >>> >>> BTW - iPhone is very cool. I don't have a new PDA, or cutting edge >>> phone, >>> so maybe there are other options too, but the touch screen and >>> orientation >>> detection rock. Too expensive for now though. If they come down, I >>> might >>> consider getting one if it isn't too bulky for a phone. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dedric >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> -Jamie >>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>> >>>> >>>> Dedric Terry wrote: >>>>> On 1/13/07 6:48 PM, in article 45a988e7@linux, "Jamie K" >>>>> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>>>> >>
een Dell do a thousand dollar rebate on their lap tops. When > that >>>>happens, Apple will not be able to compete. >>>> >>>> http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/notebooks ?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs >>>> >>>>James >>>> >>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel >>>>>processors. >>>>>You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech. >>>>> >>>>>My point, which I stated fairly clearly, was that I have often heard > the >>>>>argument made that the reason Apple hardware is pricier than an >>>>>equivalent >>>>>Dell or home build is because they use superior components in their >>>>>machines. >>>>>That's nonsense. Having seen their 'low end' laptop which runs about > $1300 >>>>>I can say for sure that aside from the slot loading optical drive and >>a >>>>nice >>>>>black case it's a slight downgrade from a $750 Dell. If the optical >>>>>drive >>>>>and case are worth 45% more to you, than that's fine. >>>>> >>>>>BTW - Debian Etch is relatively easy get working on these. If I had >>>>>more >>>>>money than sense I'd get one as a Debian machine because it's black. > >>>>> >>>>>TCB >>>>> >>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>Where's the fuel? You mean you finally noticed that Apple has gone to >>> >>>>>>Intel for hardware designs, and onboard graphics on the low end >>>&gt
t and ready to order). That's a >> significant consideration for me (and yes, I've been through Apple and >> Dell's custom configurators, as well as a few others - I still come out >> better doing my own from Newegg). >> >> That's a much better investment for me at least. The OS is secondary for me >> to a large degree - just a means to an end that depends more on hardware >> than the OS. Now if I could buy OSX standalone, I could have an AppleggPC >> running WindowsOSX. I would also mix logos and make a fruit salad. ;-) >> I had considered a Mac this time around, or maybe later this year, but so >> far the above advantage is still outweighing the convenience of a plug it in >> and turn it on solution. >> >> I think that's where a lot of audio PC users are (not average users, but >> power/tech savvy users). It isn't so much about "us against them" as >> different requirements and decision making approaches - some want to turn on >> the switch and not think about it; others want to get a fast system and >> hotrod it even more, and the time is paid for in the gains made in workflow >> later. >> >> My personal decision making process is simply one of numbers and my own >> application - if it makes more sense (power, speed, cost, upgradeability, >> software support without crossgrade costs), then a Mac is fine. So far, >> that cost has been noticeably higher than staying with a PC. I don't care >> which anyone chooses, as long as you see both sides equally. >> >> My main reason for entering this thread is
to balance what James said about >> PC users - that the conversations turn into bashing Macs, but I see it both >> ways. Mac users are also pretty adamant about Macs being an overall better >> choice. My other reason...okay, it's kind of fun in a twisted sort of way. >> ;-) It's fun to talk geek/tech with other pro audio folks from time to >> time. Nice diversion from actually getting work done with these beasts. :-) >> >> Regards, >> Dedric >>The cross-platform commitment by developers has as more to do with the balance between cost to port and potential sales, so, if univ. binary to MacIntels is an easier port than Motorola based OSX, it makes more sense to do it - crossp-latform isn't easy for anyone though, esp. given testing, maintenance, etc. Nuendo already runs on Macs, but for some reason the univ. binary version has yet to make an appearance. Could be summer NAMM or even fall for that though. Vegas? I really doubt a Mac version will ever appear. I wouldn't hold my breath for a PC version of Logic. That was a pretty definitive platform-centric decision at the time, but who knows. Dedric On 1/14/07 3:31 PM, in article 45aaa117$1@linux, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: > <b
/> >>>I have seen Dell do a thousand dollar rebate on their lap tops. When >>>that >>>happens, Apple will not be able to compete. >>> >>> http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/notebooks ?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs >>> >>>James >>> >>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel >>>>processors. >>>>You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech. >>>> >>>>My point, which I stated fairly clearly, was that I have often heard the >>>>argument made that the reason Apple hardware is pricier than an >>>>equivalent >>>>Dell or home build is because they use superior components in their >>>>machines. >>>>That's nonsense. Having seen their 'low end' laptop which runs about >>>>$1300 >>>>I can say for sure that aside from the slot loading optical drive and > a >>>nice >>>>black case it's a slight downgrade from a $750 Dell. If the optical >>>>drive >>>>and case are worth 45% more to you, than that's fine. >>>> >>>>BTW - Debian Etch is relatively easy get working on these. If I had more >>>>money than sense I'd get one as a Debian machine because it's black. >>>> >>>>TCB >>>> >>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Where's the fuel? You mean you finally noticed that Apple has gone to >> >>>>>Intel for hardware designs, and onboard graphics on the low end models? >>>>> >>>>>This is pretty old news. When Apple announced the Intel switch more >>>>>than >>>> >>>>>a year ago, this was one of the reasons given. The Macbook is their low >>>> >>>>>end laptop, and probably the biggest cost reduction was using the >>>>>onboard graphics instead of something snazzier. The Macbook Pro has the >>>> >>>>>snazzier stuff, but it's still off the shelf with OSX drivers. Apple > >>>>>doesn't and hasn't ever AFAIK developed their own graphics chipsets. >>>>> >>>>>Well heck, they don't develop their own CPUs either, although I imagine >>>> >>>>>they give input to those companies. Up until last year Apple chose >>>>>different CPU models than were blessed by Microsoft, and tried to gain >>> >>>>>an advantage from the differences. Now they are using the same CPUs >>>>>that >>>> >>>>>Microsoft likes, so any advantage is going to be from design and >>>>>software. >>>>> >>>>>I like Apple's desktop case design. Really easy to get into and change >>> >>>>>memory, drives, etc.; quiet and cool running airflow. The laptop >>>>>designs >>>> >>>>>have varied at accessibility, sometimes compromising for thinness. For >>> >>>>>example my PowerBook is easy to access for memory upgrades but not for >>> >>>>>HD upgrades. That may have changed in the new ones. >>>>> >>>>>Mac laptop sales are rising, other manufacturers are copying their form >>>> >>>>>factor, but if you ever buy one (other than overpaying for a Macbook > for >>>> >>>>>someone else, and then complaining about it) I'll be amazed. Sorry you >>> >>>>>had to subject yourself to working on a Mac today, but even sorrier you >>>> >>>>>had to infect it with XP. ;^) >>>>> >>>>>Cheers, >>>>> -Jamie >>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>TCB wrote: >>>>>> So, I had to set up XP on a Mac Book today. The child of an important >>>>person >>>>>> on my office had one and, surprise, most of the games a 12 year old >>likes >>>>>> to play don't have Mac versions. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, once and for all I can put to rest the notion that Apple hardware >>>>is >>>>>> somehow 'super special' and thus justifies the higher price. Intel > chipset, >>>>>> Intel integrated graphics, Atheros wireless, Marvell NIC, generic >>>>>> firewire >>>>>> controller. The CD/DVD burner was the slot loading kind, so that's > slightly >>>>>> cool (unless you want to pop out the CD before the machine boots when >>>>it's >>>>>> nice to have a physical switch), but that's about the only thing >>>>>> unusual >>>>>> about the hardware. If you were to show me the XP device list for a >>Mac >>>>Book >>>>>> and the same list from a Dell 640m (two of which I've also set up >>>>>> recently) >>>>>> I would have given a _slight_ preference to the Dell, mostly because >>>it >>>>uses >>>>
ate tech gear for what it is rather than how it is marketed. >>>>> But if you just want to get down the hill and don't see much difference >>>>> in how you get there, a snowboard is as good as skis. No real >>>>> difference... >>>> Skis are better :-) ...and it's important to enjoy the whole mountain, >>>> not >>>> just the groomed runs. >>>> >>>> BTW - iPhone is very cool. I don't have a new PDA, or cutting edge >>>> phone, >>>> so maybe there are other options too, but the touch screen and >>>> orientation >>>> detection rock. Too expensive for now though. If they come down, I >>>> might >>>> consider getting one if it isn't too bulky for a phone. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Dedric >>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> -Jamie >>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dedric Terry wrote: >>>>>> On 1/13/07 6:48 PM, in article 45a988e7@linux, "Jamie K" >>>>>> <<a h
er AFAIK developed their own graphics chipsets. >>>>>> >>>>>>Well heck, they don't develop their own CPUs either, although I >>>>>>imagine >>>>> >>>>>>they give input to those companies. Up until last year Apple chose >>>>>>different CPU models than were blessed by Microsoft, and tried to gain >>>> >>>>>>an advantage from the differences. Now they are using the same CPUs > that >>>>> >>>>>>Microsoft likes, so any advantage is going to be from design and >>>>>>software. >>>>>> >>>>>>I like Apple's desktop case design. Really easy to get into and change >>>> >>>>>>memory, drives, etc.; quiet and cool running airflow. The laptop >>>>>>designs >>>>> >>>>>>have varied at accessibility, sometimes compromising for thinness. For >>>> >>>>>>example my PowerBook is easy to access for memory upgrades but not for >>>> >>>>>>HD upgrades. That may have changed in the new ones. >>>>>> >>>>>>Mac laptop sales are rising, other manufacturers are copying their >>>>>>form >>>>> >>>>>>factor, but if you ever buy one (other than overpaying for a Macbook >>for >>>>> >>>>>>someone else, and then complaining about it) I'll be amazed. Sorry you >>>> >>>>>>had to subject yourself to working on a Mac today, but even sorrier > you >>>>> >>>>>>had to infect it with XP. ;^) >>>>>> >>>>>>Cheers, >>>>>> -Jamie >>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>TCB wrote: >>>>>>> So, I had to set up XP on a Mac Book today. The child of an >>>>>>> important >>>>>person >>>>>>> on my office had one and, surprise, most of the games a 12 year old >>>likes >>>>>>> to play don't have Mac versions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, once and for all I can put to rest the notion that Apple >>>>>>> hardware >>>>>is >>>>>>> somehow 'super special' and thus justifies the higher price. Intel >>chipset, >>>>>>> Intel integrated graphics, Atheros wireless, Marvell NIC, generic > firewire >>>>>>> controller. The CD/DVD burner was the slot loading kind, so that's >>slightly >>>>>>> cool (unless you want to pop out the CD before the machine boots >>>>>>> when >>>>>it's >>>>>>> nice to have a physical switch), but that's about the only thing >>>>>>> unusual >>>>>>> about the hardware. If you were to show me the XP device list for > a >>>Mac >>>>>Book >>>>>>> and the same list from a Dell 640m (two of which I've also set up > recently) >>>>>>> I would have given a _slight_ preference to the Dell, mostly because >>>>it >>>>>uses >>>>>>> an Intel wireless chipset that does b/g/n and bluetooth on one chip, >>>>and >>>>>>> I've had very good luck with those wireless cards. A 640m also has >>a >>>>larger >>>>>>> screed and costs around $750. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In better news, I wound up on modular synth dreamland for about five >>>>hours >>>>>>> last night, wiring up my John Bowen Pro Wave into modular patches > and >>>>>using >>>>>>> it to feed vocoders and all of the things that make computer >>>>>>> recording >>>>>worth >>>>>>> it. Then I forgot to save the presets, but hey, that's the way it > goes. >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TCB >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >>Jobs said some years ago that Apple buys the vary best LCD screens, they pay more for first choice and their competitors buy their rejects. I don't know if that's the truth, but I'm sure you guys would say BS! < Did he say this at one of his symposiums where he was also saying that Motorola G4 Powermacs were faster than AMD Athlon PC's? ;o) "James McCloskey" <<a href="mailto:exc
elsm@hotmail.com" target="_blank">excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45aa9e2d$1@linux... > > There are some things to consider. To start the Dell cost $125.00 more to > add the Core 2 Duo 1.8GHz, Or $200.00 more for the 2.0 GHz, so you looking > at $875.00 to $950.00 to start. The Dell has a 15.4" screen, which I > think > is an advantage over the MacBook, although some people would Prefer the > Compactness > of the MacBook's size. Jobs said some years ago that Apple buys the vary > best LCD screens, they pay more for first choice and their competitors buy > their rejects. I don't know if that's the truth, but I'm sure you guys > would > say BS! > > Anyways, the MacBook comes with a full version of Mac OSX, not a cut down > home addition. It would cost more to get XP Pro, so you would have to add > another hundred bucks. The MacBook comes with similar software to MS 8, > address book, iCal etc.. > > The MacBook also comes with the ilife suite of software. I would value > that > at a bout two to three hundred dollars. If you consider say, Acid For > GarageBand > your looking at around a hundred bucks. You would also have to come up > with > the following: Comparable DVD authoring software that is as good as iDVD. > A Photo program that is as good as iPhoto for editing and organizing > photos > and a High Definition video editing software that is as good as iMovie HD. > There is also iWeb for web page building that integrates with iPhoto, > GarageBand, > and iMovie to up load your multi media to your web Pages, and list your > stuff > on the iTunes store. It also has integrated Pod Casts software. The > iBook > has front Row, a multimedia playing and organizing software, with a > wireless > hardware remote control. > > The MacBook also has a built in isight video camera/ still camera, with > iChat > audio video conferencing software. Built in wireless, including Bluetooth > 2.0+EDR, I don't believe the Dell has Bluetooth???. The MacBook also has > built in firewire, I'm not sure if the Dell has that??? I don't know > about > the Dell, the MacBook has the ability to plug in up to a 24" monitor for > extended desk top at up to 1920 x 1200 resolution. The MB has 6 hours of > battery life, I don't know about the Dell??? Industries say that Macs &gt
; have > better used resale value, i don't know if that's true but it something to > consider. The MacBook has the advantage of being able to run more > operating > systems, thus, the ability to run more software, which gives you more > choices. > > I think if you add it all up, they are comparable Price wise, and one may > have the edge. > > James > > "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: >> >> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us& cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bndwe4j&s=bsd >> >>Core Duo laptop, 15.4" screen, DVD burner, 1 GB memory. $750 >> >>There are better deals on occasion but this is the current sweet spot. I >>set up two of them last week. >> >>TCB >> >>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>Hey Thad! I was checking Dell's prices, I didn't see any Core 2 Duo lap >>tops >>>for $750.00. I could be wrong, but it looks like they start at $1299. > >>I >>>wonder what they would cost similarly configured? >>> >>>I think Apple typically makes more margin per unit, well that's what I've >>>read. As a dealer margins were always tight. In the past Apple >>>manufactured >>>proprietary hardware, and they just didn't sell the number of units that >>>PC manufactures did to have low prices. With Intel, it's a whole new >>>ball >>>game for Apple. I would think Dell still buys 10 times as much stuff >>>from >>>Intel as Apple does. Dell probably gets better pricing. >>><br
t; similar components and people argued about the differences. Now that >>>>>>> they use pretty much the same components, there's still room to >>>>>>> discuss >>>>>>> what differences remain. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The difference between OSX and, say, Vista, is more than the look > of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> GUI and logos. While there are strong similarities, different >>>>>>> philosophies and implementations create different user experiences. > How >>>>>>> much of that difference matters to you will influence your desire > to >>>>>>> waste time on these threads. :^) >>>>>> Of course - I was just giving you guys a hard time because you seemed > to >>>>>> be >>>>>> arguing the same point from different perspectives. It's always best > to >>>>>> evaluate tech gear for what it is rather than how it is marketed. >>>>>>> But if you just want to get down the hill and don't see much >>>>>>> difference >>>>>>> in how you get there, a snowboard is as good as skis. No real >>>>>>> difference... >>>>>> Skis are better :-) ...and it's important to enjoy the whole <br /
>>>>>> entire >>>>>>>>> motherboard now? So now, what were you complaining about? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pardon me dropping in uninvited.... but...umm... what exactly are > you >>>>>>>> guys >>>>>>>> arguing about? ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> An Intel cpu is an Intel cpu. Don't know what motherboards the new > >>>>>>>> Macs >>>>>>>> use, but undoubtedly they are also available on Newegg or >>>>>>>> TigerDirect > >>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>> PC - the same goes for every other part, other than the case and > the >>>>>>>> OS. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Motorola boards were made for Apple (probably exclusively) >>>>>>>> because, >>>>>>>> well, no one else used Motorola cpus for a PC (mostly for other >>>>>>>> hardware >>>>>>>> devices). I learned assembly language on 808x and 68k processors > - >>>>>>>> Intel >>>>>>>> and Motorola. Both do much the same thing, but with a different > >>>>>>>> framework - >>>>>>>> 68k's were a little better suited for graphics, but not so much for > >>>>>>>> math - >>>>>>>> vice versa for the Intels, though the differences
>>>>>>>>> enough to warrant making a board for it, so now you could probably >> >>>>>>>>> drop most >>>>>>>>> any core 2 duo compatible mobo in a Mac and it should run, unless >> the >>>>>>>>> OS is >>>>>>>>> setup to lock out all but spec'd boards, or tolerances with other >> >>>>>>>>> parts are >>>>>>>>> too low. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With comps today, when it comes down to it, the only real >>>>>>>>> difference >> >>>>>>>>> is what >>>>>>>>> the GUI and the logos look like. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The rest is no more of a variation on a theme than you get going >> from >>>>>>>>> Borders to Barnes & Noble. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Dedric >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >On 1/14/07 5:38 PM, in article 45aac9f2@linux, "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: > I could use some fuel for the fire though, it's very cold in Denver today. Amen to that. 3 here in the Springs with wind...ouch. Regards, Dedric > > Cheers, > -Jamie > www.JamieKrutz.com >A quick check of the KVR-Audio site finds this: http://www.mda-vst.com/vst/mda_vst_fx_mac_os.sit I have played with the mda effects on my Receptor and they seem quite decent for free. - Paul On 15
not address the desktop Mac which have 2 Duel core >> Xeon >> prosessors for $2499,try building one of them for cheaper,ask Chris Ludwig >> >> if he can build one with the same specs for cheaper. I like Macs because > > >Hey Nappy - > >From Newegg.com, >dual 2.66 Xeon >Gigabyte server motherboard, >1G Corsair DDR2 Ram (2x512), >250G Western Digital SATA 3G drive >NVidia GeForce 7300 256M card >Sony DVD/CD combo drive (+/- DVDR), 16x >Antec power supply >Coolermaster case >Windows XP Pro SP2 with free upgrade to Vista: > >$2356 shipped. > >Not sure what motherboard or drives Apple uses - I think our last Mac >used Samsung. Memory and DVD/CD drive - also not sure. So I may have spent >more than necessary on this example. Apple also probably gets a bulk rate >on cpus so that can save a little over paying $700 each as an individual >buyer. > >fwiw.... > >Regards, >Dedric >That's too bad. I have other plugs as well, but I find myself going to teh Ren Comp(Bass Guitar) and Ren Voc( Vocals)..Super Tap (delays). Oh well.. Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >Hi Lamont, > >I don't use them. v3 VST doesn't work with Nuendo 3 and I didn't want to >pay for the WUP plan just to get a compatible version. I also moved away >from using them a few years ago - not the sound I wanted - a bit veiled - >esp. the Ren series. They do work and are good plugins but not what I go to >on a daily basis - I have other goto choices for every plugin in the bundle. >Just no point in letting them sit there when someone else might use them >more, and/or would want to use them to upgrade to v5 or Platinum. > >I had considered keeping
ck up" valuble >> CPU power. I know these days, is "fashoinable " to say that Waves plugs are >> not happening. With plugs like URS, Sonalkis, UAD, and other vintage plugins. >> >> >> Still, to my ears, Wave plugs just work and get's the job done. >> Take care >> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >>> I'm thinking of selling my Waves Gold Bundle (v3) - anyone done this? >>> >>> I don't have my login with me to contact their tech support (grr). Does >>> Waves have a process for transferring the license? >>> >>> Anyone interested? Native version. No WUP. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dedric >>> >> >Nappy. I forgot to put a smiley after my post. I was definitely kiddin' around. Despite my misgivings about Mr. Jobs, I'm seeing some upside to Macs these days. Old habits die hard though and IMHO, Jobs and Gates are cut from the same cloth. I guess that's what irks me the most about Mac....the "pseudo high road" mentality. they are both boxes full of componentry with OS'es that appeal to certain folks, as you said. Regards, ;o) "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45aaeb8d$1@linux... > > DJ, > I know a web cam does'nt do audio. I'm a bit dissapointed in you. > I'm not trying to make the point that the Mac is a better computer,I'm > just > pointing out some things that the Macbook has that the Dell does'nt. > Really my response is to Thad being the PC opposite of James. You seem to > forget all his talk of Debian which has nothing to do with audio. I could > care less > which laptop you use as long as you are happy with it. Sure you can build > a PC > Core duo 2 box for cheaper than a Mac,but you can't run OSX on it. If your > mad > that Steve Jobs wont let you run OSX on a PC thats another story. All I'm > saying is If you put all > that hatred for Steve Jobs a side you should see that owning a Mac is not > a bad idea > seeing you have all the software available to you and switching would be > painless > since you would not have to buy all new software. You could run Wavelab if > you want as well as LOgic on the same box,what is so wrong about that? > > You see,Thad has still not address the desktop Mac which have 2 Duel core > Xeon > prosessors for $2499,try building one of them for cheaper,ask Chris Ludwig > > if he can build one with the same specs for cheaper. I like Macs because > like it > or not they have software that I use that only runs on a Mac and I can run > any > software that runs on XP on it as well and from were i sit thats makes > good > sense to me. Now if they come out with a PC version of Aperture and Logic > then I'll get > a PC. Sure I'd like to
wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Heh. True, and good thing too. Don't forget to keep track of your costs >>>> >>>>>in all this, so next time we discuss which platform is actually >>>>>"cheaper" we remember to take into account all these systems you keep >>>>>building. :^)<b
r /> >>>>> >>>>>Cheers, >>>>> -Jamie >>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> Soon it will be Vista surgery time, ouch! ; ) >>>> >>>> <a href="http://w
those companies. Up until last year Apple chose >>>>>>>>>different CPU models than were blessed by Microsoft, and tried to >>gain >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>an advantage from the differences. Now they are using the same CPUs >>>> that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Microsoft likes, so any advantage is going to be from design and > >>>>>>>>>software. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I like Apple's desktop case design. Really easy to get into and change >>>>>>> >>>&g
ference to the Dell, mostly because >>>>>>>it >>>>>>>>uses >>>>>>>>>> an Intel wireless chipset that does b/g/n and bluetooth on one >chip, >>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>>> I've had very good luck with those wireless cards. A 640m also >has >>>>>a >>>>>>>larger >>>>>>>>>> screed and costs around $750. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In better news, I wound up on modular synth dreamland for about >>five >>>>>>>hours >>>>>>>>>> last night, wiring up my John Bowen Pro Wave into modular patches >>>> and >>>>>>>>using >>>>>>>>>> it to feed vocoders and all of the things that make computer >>>>>>>>>> recording >>>>&
guys like me that try to get the most >>> out of it for a specific purpose. And yes it is in a pro use where the >>> extra 5-10% can make a difference - even spending an extra $90 or so I could >>> get 2G which is a minimum for what I do - to add an extra 1G it's an extra >>> $299 (assuming the buyer would want to go DIY to save $200). >>> >>> Of course that doesn't make the Mac any less of a pro solution - it's a >>> great solution. >>> >>> It's preference - that's all I'm saying. There aren't stark contrasts that >>> often seem to be purported in these threads. For most people it's shades >> of >>> silicon and grey; but for some users, those shades are much more than a >> $90 >>> difference or a half day spent building a system. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dedric >>> >>> On 1/14/07 9:57 PM, in article 45aafba9$1@linux, "Nappy" >>> <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Dedric, >>>> If you add all the software that comes with it and the elegant design >> plus >>>> the fact that you can run both OSX and XP and you don't have to build >> it >&gt