>>> it's >>>>>>a >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and > a >>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity >>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus all >>> my >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those >>>>>>>>> times >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon >>>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>SLR. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use a > >>>>>>>>> Psion >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool >>>>>>>>> little >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's a > lot >>>>> of >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one if >>> it >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now. > None >>>>>>of >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones >>> has >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of >>>>>>>>> koolaid, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their >>>>>>>>> needs. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Choice is good. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> -Jamie >>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote: >>>>>>>>>> James, >>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx >>>>>>>>>> (Windows) >>>>> is >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all > MS >>>>> applications >>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail, >>> you >>>>>>might >>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are >>>>>>>>>>> superior. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx.. It >>> like >>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>>>>> a: >>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player >>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word, >>>>>>>>>>>> Excel, >>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint, >>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003, >>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10 >>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV >>>>>>>>>>>> Camera >>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder >>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds.. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket.. > :) >>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this.. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20&subj=news >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod? Is > it >>>>> a >>>>>>computer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come! >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >personally i don't care as i don't own and hopefully never will own a cell phone. i just found the article interesting. On 12 Jan 2007 06:14:56 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: > > http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments_opinion/12 253/ > >rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote: >>http://www.macrumors.com/ >> >> >> >>On 11 Jan 2007 09:29:55 +1000, "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >> >>> >>>I checked it out. And if were a Mac user, I would pick it over the Treo >Wx, >>>since I'm more of a Windows guy, the Treo 700 WX is it for me.. >>> >>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>Yes, the Treo and the BB are both vary cool products. No Kool-Aid here. >>> >>>>It's kind of hard to grasp the capabilities of the iPhone with out watching >>>>the keynote video in it's entirety. Once again, check it out. >>>> >>>>http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/ >>>> >>>> >>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>James, >>>>>Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs. >>>>> >>>>>The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows) is >just >>>>>a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all MS applications >>>>>and other Windows apps. >>>>> >>>>>www.treo.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail, you >might >>>>>>want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are superior. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx.. It like >having >>>>>>>a: >>>>>>>MP3player >>>>>>>Ms word, >>>>>>>Excel, >>>>>>>powerpoint, >>>>>>>Outlook 2003, >>>>>>>Media Player 10 >>>>>>>Sprint TV >>>>>>>Camera >>>>>>>Recorder >>>>>>>Cool keyboard >>>>>>>Very fast Internet connection speeds.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket.. :) >>>>>>>For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>LaMont >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Some video highlights: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20&subj=news >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>More and better pictures: >>>>>>>>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod? Is it a >computer >>>>>>>>>running Mac OSX??? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Meet the Beatles! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Live blog >>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Pictures of the iPhone >>>>>>>>>http://www.macrumorslive.com/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>http://www.apple.com/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>More to come! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>Don't know yet, but it needed a full reboot each time -- Martin Harrington www.lendanear-sound.com "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45a742dc$1@linux... > > Did OXS it's self crash, or PT? > > "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >>You say that I said Macs crash..well.they do...and it happened today. >>We were setting up a tech run for a new 10 week series I'm starting to >>shoot, (record location audio), and set up a new Macbook loaded with Pro > >>Tools V7.0, (OSX 10.4), I think. >>Every time we went to open PT, it crashed requiring a reboot...who knows > >>why...probably version conflicts...dunno. >>I use Macs on a fairly regular basis, and if you could see my PC desktop, > >>you would see Rocket Dock displayed prominently at the bottom ala >>Mac....(btw, I do own a Mac, just don't use it very often.) >>-- >>Martin Harrington >>www.lendanear-sound.com >> >>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>news:45a6b2f0$1@linux... >>> >>> Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true. > >>> Unlike >>> you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a >>> regular >>> basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years. > >>> I've >>> been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold, and > >>> built >>> many PCs >>> >>> I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating >>> systems. >>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX t
hat Windows XP has, but > >>> that's >>> where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines are >>> a major PITA to deal with. >>> >>> There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is all > the >>> stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say MS/PC >>> stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple. > >>> Some >>> recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced > at >>> CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like > the >>> Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what >>> color? >>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey, may be >>> MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL! >>> >>> I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have >>> mention >>> all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing! >>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here. >>> It's >>> always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes. >>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've been >>> using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash. I >>> think >>> the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing. I > >>> don't >>> know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most part > >>> problem >>> free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally >>> speaking, >>> and sounds like typical mac bashing. >>> >>> I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday since > >>> 1994! >>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use the >>> same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable. >>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but you >>> have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it >>> cost??? >>> The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all the >>> problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an >>> example >>> of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love to > >>> tinker >>> and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different > >>> folks. >>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users. >>> >>> My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I was > >>> impressed >>> with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same guys >>> that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My >>> thing >>> can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows. > >>> The >>> old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest. > My >>> windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a draw >>> to arms challenge. >>> >>> I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine is > >>> better >>> and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software. >>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out >>> completely. >>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user >>> interface >>> are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's a > >>> smaller >>> sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they > >>> can >>> create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more >>> features >>> and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with zoom >>> in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice etc. >>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you > rip >>> on it just because it's an Apple product. >>> >>> Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products. >>> It's >>> always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand, >>> especially >>> when your going to bash something. >>> >>> James >>> >>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black. >>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and >>>>discover >>> >>>>what we all see. >>>>-- >>>>Martin Harrington >>>>www.lendanear-sound.com >>>> >>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux... >>>>> >>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot. >>>>>> >>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx >>>>>>syncs >>>>> with >>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy >>>>>>bettter >>>>> than >>>>>>itunes.. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user they >>> are >>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit of > >>>>> third >>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate. > Only >>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for the >>> >>>>> average >>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs. >>>>> Again, >>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible. >>>>> >>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being >>>>> better >>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool! >>>>> >>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they have >>> >>>>> copied >>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the > >>>>> aqua >>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant rip >>> off >>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at it > for >>>>> years. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>>>>>>LaMont wrote: >>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN >>>>>>>> (Lol!!) >>>>>>Re-invented >>>>>>>> the phone... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?). > The >>>>>> >>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen >>>>>>>interface, >>>>> >>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs >>> stop >>>>>>with >>>>>>>> the propaganda. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because >>>>>>>we're >>>>>> >>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll >>> >>>>>>>> claim >>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is at >>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the UI, >>>>>>>and no less capable. :^) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Cheers, >>>>>>> -Jamie >>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a >>>>>>>>> koolaid >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something >>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive >>>>>>>>> features >>>>> and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have >>>>>>>>> earned >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the >>>>>>>>> features >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> they provide. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my >>>>>>>>> final >>>>> >>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone, > the >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy for >>> >>>>>>>>> phones. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that > it >>>>> be >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That >>> it's >>>>>>a >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and > a >>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity >>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus all >>> my >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those >>>>>>>>> times >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon >>>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>SLR. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use a > >>>>>>>>> Psion >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool >>>>>>>>> little >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's a > lot >>>>> of >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one if >>> it >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now. > None >>>>>>of >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones >>> has >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of >>>>>>>>> koolaid, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their >>>>>>>>> needs. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Choice is good. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> -Jamie >>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote: >>>>>>>>>> James, >>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx >>>>>>>>>> (Windows) >>>>> is >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all > MS >>>>> applications >>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail, >>> you >>>>>>might >>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are >>>>>>>>>>> superior. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx.. It >>> like >>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>>>>> a: >>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player >>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word, >>>>>>>>>>>> Excel, >>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint, >>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003, >>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10 >>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV >>>>>>>>>>>> Camera >>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder >>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds.. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket.. > :) >>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this.. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20&subj=news >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod? Is > it >>>>> a >>>>>>computer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>&gt
>>>>>with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same guys >>>>>that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My >thing >>>>>can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows. >>> >>>>The >>>>>old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest. >> >>>My >>>>>windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a draw >>>>>to arms challenge. >>>>> >>>>>I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine is >>>better >>>>>and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software. >>>>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out completely. >>>>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user interface >>>>>are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's a >>smaller >>>>>sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they >>>>can >>>>>create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more features >>>>>and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with zoom >>>>>in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice etc. >>>>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you >>>rip >>>>>on it just because it's an Apple product. >>>>> >>>>>Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products. >It's >>>>>always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand, especially >>>>>when your going to bash something. >>>>> >>>>>James >>>>> >>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >>>>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black. >>>>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and discover >>>>> >>>>>>what we all see. >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Martin Harrington >>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com >>>>>> >>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx >syncs >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy bettter >>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>itunes.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user they >>>>>are >>>>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit >of >>>>third >>>>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate. >> >>>Only >>>>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for >>the >>>>> >>>>>>> average >>>>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs. >>> >>>>>>> Again, >>>>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being >>>> >>>>>>> better >>>>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they >have >>>>> >>>>>>> copied >>>>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the >>>>aqua >>>>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant >>rip >>>>>off >>>>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at >it >>>>for >>>>>>> years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>LaMont wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN (Lol!!) >>>>>>>>Re-invented >>>>>>>>>> the phone... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?). >>>>The >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs >>>>>stop >>>>>>>>with >>>>>>>>>> the propaganda. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because >>we're >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> claim >>>>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is >>at >>>>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the >>UI, >>>>>>>>>and no less capable. :^) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Cheers, >>>>>>>>> -Jamie >>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a >>koolaid >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something >>>>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive features >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have >>earned >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the >features >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> they provide. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my >final >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone, >>>the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy >>for >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> phones. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that >>>>it >>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That >>>>>it's >>>>>>>>a >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and >>>a >>>>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity >>>>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus >>all >>>>>my >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those >>times >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon >digital >>>>>>>>SLR. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use >>a >>>>Psion >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool >>little >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's >a >>>lot >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one >>if >>>>>it >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now. >>>None >>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones >>>>>has >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of >> >>>>>>>>>>> koolaid, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their >needs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Choice is good. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie >>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> James, >>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows) >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all >>>>MS >>>>>>> applications >>>>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail, >>>>>you >>>>>>>>might >>>>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx.. >>It >>>>>like >>>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Camera >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket.. >>>:) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20=news >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod? >Is >>>>it >>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>computer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >Hello Yasser, No snobbing going on - stuff just gets overlooked sometimes. It's certainly happened to me as well. As far as your C16 problem - that's not a common "fix it" type problem, so most people really wouldn't know what to tell you. I've had issues with the cable getting yan