size=3D2> >> this should read ....... >> >> Either you have to work in XTC mode = >> which=20 >>negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you sum = >> in=20 >>Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, so you = >>work "in=20 >>series" wherein .yadda yadda....... >> >> Deej >> >> "DJ" <<A=20 >>href=3D"mailto:nowayjose@dude.net">>size=3D2>nowayjose@dude.net> = >>wrote in=20 >>message >size=3D2>news:4596a69a@linux>size=3D2>... > Neil, > = >> > Great=20 >>post. The evolution of the cards/names is definitely confusing. Now = >> >=20 >>here are some more thoughts for Parisites. > > Seems all=20 >>proprietary DSP cards have their advantages and drawbacks. Look at = >> > the=20 >>limitations of Pro Tools for instance as far as being able to run lots = >> >=20 >>of plugins. You have to buy lot$ of extra DSP hardware so in that = >>respect,=20 >> > there are similarities to Scope and needing the higher DSP = >>processor=20 >>counts. > It's pretty much a concensus of opinion over on the = >>PlanetZ=20 >>forum that 30 > DSP's (two "Pro cards") are necessary for serious = >>mixing.=20 >>The same thing > with the Soundscape system. > > = >>Also,=20 >>before I diss the Scope platform as far as plugins go, I'm going to = >> >=20 >>need to get spend some time with the third party offerings.. As with PT > = >>and=20 >> > Soundscape, there are "lots" of third party plugins for this = >>platform.=20 >>I've > got the demos DL'ed but haven't tried them yet. IMHO, the = >>stock=20 >>plugins for > this platform are as good or better than the stock = >>EDS=20 >>plugins that came > with the Paris system with some being "much" = >>better=20 >>(have you tried the > deesser?), and I'll wager that like the = >>Skunkworks=20 >>subsequent offerings that > were DSP based, the third party plugs = >>for=20 >>this program may be excellent > stuff..........but like Paris, = >>and as you=20 >>have already pointed out, the DSP > resources are rather limited = >>on the=20 >>Home and Project cards so going Pro > would be the ticket if this = >>was=20 >>going to be a large mixdown platform.. > > I do agree with = >>you that=20 >>the implementation of this platform as relates to > working in a = >>native=20 >>audio app sorta sucks, but you can look at it either as > a step=20 >>backwards or as being familiar. Either you have to work in XTC mode = >> >=20 >>which negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you = >>sum=20 >> > in Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, or you work "in = >>series"=20 >>wherein > with the VST plugins are required to be first in = >>the=20 >>series, similar to the > Paris native>EDS "in series" scenario = >>(the=20 >>familiar). > > Another killer way to use this platform is = >>as a=20 >>*real time* FX processor > interfacing with the Paris ADAT and = >>S/Pdif I/O=20 >>on the Paris inserts and > auxes. The Vinco doesn't use an = >>inordinate=20 >>amount of DSP and it's got two > modes. Again as you pointed out, = >>it's an=20 >>1176 ringer, but it also does a > nice opto. I will be looking at = >>some of=20 >>the third party plugins as well > because I have heard some = >>comparisons=20 >>that were posted of the DAS EQ's and > they were damned nice. The = >>API=20 >>sounded killer and the Pultec gave a good > account of itself vs = >>the=20 >>UAD-1 Pultec. Using these as "real time" plugins on > Paris = >>auxes/inserts=20 >>may be similar to having a "zero audible latency" UAD-1 >=20 >>scenario. > > You and I had different expectations for this = >> >>platform and mine have been > met in spades. The way I use Scope = >>works=20 >>wonders for my particular Paris > summing madness and it is the = >>most=20 >>stable and flexible native audio platform > I've ever = >>encountered. I was=20 >>going more for I/O connectivity on a stable > platform and the = >>incredible=20 >>(and to me, fast & intuitive) routing options > than the = >>plugins. the=20 >>plugins and synths were icing on the cake for me. I > really = >>never=20 >>expected to give up my UAD cards but if the 3rd party plugins > = >>are to my=20 >>liking and I get sick of mixing on three platforms, I just might.. = >> > In=20 >>the meantime, the stability and the routing were the major ticket IMO. = >> >=20 >>The routing has saved me lots of $$$ because it allows the Scope = >>platform to=20 >> > be used as a digital patchbay, enhancing what I already have = >>here that=20 >>I was > getting ready to expand.. These two things were worth the = >>price=20 >>of > admission. > > Cheers, > ;o) > = >> >=20 >>"Neil" <>size=3D2>OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote = >>in message=20 >>>size=3D2>news:45952a49$1@linux>size=3D2>... >> >> Yeah, this looks like the same = >>thing as their=20 >>"Mix & Master >> Pack", which I also have... this is = >>another=20 >>problem with the >> Creamware stuff - they have a couple of = >>different=20 >>names for >> every product, and it's confusing (can't help = >>their=20 >>marketing >> efforts any, either); it's like they decided to = >>rename=20 >>their >> entire product line, but never dropped the old names,=20 >>either. >> >> Anyway, yes, to me this looks like the = >>exact=20 >>same thing as what >> they now call their Mix & Master = >>Pack, and=20 >>IMO, YMMV, etc, some >> of the FX are useful, and some of 'em = >>are total=20 >>crap... or more >> accurately, some are useful, some are crap, = >>some=20 >>don't seem to >> do much of anything at all and so you have to = >>wonder:=20 >>"why >> bother even writing this plugin?". I noticed in one of=20 >>the >> Pulsar forum threads the other day where someone = >>mentioned=20 >>that >> you have to get the Vinco compressor in the red before = >>it=20 >>does >> anything. I didn't find that to be the case, but then I = >> >>haven't >> tried it on low-level signals (and maybe they=20 >>were >> exaggerating a bit). >> >> Also, = >>Aaron, what=20 >>they mention on that page you liked to (down >> at the bottom = >>of the=20 >>page) with regard to the list >> of "plugins", well some of 'em = >>ain't=20 >>exactly plugins!. I'll >> paste that list in & run through = >>it in=20 >>the order they mention >> the items (my comments in parenthesis = >> >>below): >> >> >> *MasterVerb Pro (a pretty=20 >>nice-sounding reverb, IMO. Not raving >> about it, necessarily, = >>but it=20 >>sucketh not). >> >> *Optimaster (this is something = >>like=20 >>Izotope's Ozone... a Multi- >> EFX mastering app. It's got a=20 >>Compressor, a limiter, expander, >> all multi-band (3 bands). = >>It's not=20 >>as versatile as Ozone, and >> doesn't have a stereo spread = >>section (or=20 >>a reverb, but that >> would be your "MasterVerb", above), but = >>it sounds=20 >>
gt;>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >>> >>>I love it cujo!!..Good work. The band is smokin. I'll get acopy this holliday >>>weekend.. >>>LAMont >>> >>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>oops >>>> >>>>hey, I know most of you guys are not Punk fans but you should still check >>>>out >>>>The Shods. They were one of Boston's biggest around the turn of the century. >>>>Fantastic song writing killer harmonies and playing. They toured with >the >>>>Bostones and Weezer ripped em off. They have since pretty much split due >>>>to the lead man's MS. >>>> >>>>I am putting out their back catalog starting with their F#ck Off MCA album >>>>Bamboozled, which I recorded on my 1"machine and Mackie board way back.8 >>>>buss >>>> >>>>Here is the link: >>>> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum? id=209035538&s=143441 >>>> >>>>They and I can use the support! >>>>The Thanks for nuthin' CD is up against their will and they are receiving >>>>no $$ from it yet, >>> >> >so where's the video? i'm telling you "He's not dead". He's in the tropics having fun. bunuel wrote: > Yeh, me too. > > > > > > > "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote: >> I did too. Then I remembered. >> >> >> >> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he saw >> the >>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>> >>> >>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >>"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >The Pulsar drivers have put >the RME system to shame as far as operating at lower latencies but I have >heard that the newer RME betas have drastically improved this situation. Where does one get said "beta" drivers from? Got a link? Or maybe they're on the Swineberg ftp site, do you know? NeilThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.<
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[binary] AQhCABCEIAEIQgAQhCABCEIAEIQgAQhCABCEIAEIQgAQhCAP/9k= ---=_linux4596f624--Deej, I get a headache and eyestrain just reading what you are doing with your DAW's. Have a happy and Productive new Year...that goes for everyone actually. -- Martin Harrington www.lendanear-sound.com "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:4596c522@linux... > I've been sitting here mapping out my future tracking and mixdown > platform. It will be a two way street. I will keep my Pulsar cards where > they are, in my AMD 4400 x 2 system along with my VSTi's, all of which, > with the exception of the Steiny drum machine (whatever it's called) have > standalone GUIs .This system has 48 ADAT I/O, a stereo pair of s/pdif and > a stereo pair of AESI/O and 20 analog I/O (an A16U and an analog pair on > two of the Pulsar cards. > > The other DAW will be happening on another DAW running aqn AMD 4800 x 2 > CPU with 2 x RME HDSP 9652's and an HDSP Multiface running Cubase 4 and 4 > x UAD-1 cards. > > The 2 x 9652's will be lightpiped direct to the 48 I/O of the Pulsar cards > and their coax I/O will be patched directly to the Pulsar AES and spdif > I/O through a didital patchbay. The Multiface ADAT I/O will be interfaced > with an RME ADI4-DD which is patched into my 4X analog reverb processors. > The Multiface S/Pdif I/O will be patched directly to Mytek stereo 96 > AD/DA's through the digital patchbay. > > Tracking will be done in Cubase with the Pulsar analog I/O routed > digitally via ADAT to the HDSP I/O and the Mytek I/O also being available > to the Scope system. The Multiface I/O being available directly in the > Cubase rig. This will give me 30 analog I/O during tracking > sessions.........more then enough. > > Mixing will be done in Cubase with appropriate mono or stereo tracks as is > appropriate for the mix being bussed via lightpipe from the HDSP's to > Pulsar for summing. > > This should hopefully allow for a nice *zero latency* tracking scenario, > similar to what can be achieved with Paris.........maybe, I > hope..depending on how the RME drivers behave. that's the big ?. The > Pulsar drivers have put the RME system to shame as far as operating at > lower latencies but I have heard that the newer RME betas have drastically > improved this situation. > > I've gotta try this. If I don't like it, I can repatch things fairly > quickly back to the situation I have now. > > the quest continues.... > > ;o) > > "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4596bd30$1@linux... >> >> Two things to add. First, and I know it's not your bag so you're not that >> interested, but to repeat, Scope is a superb synthesis platform as well. >> Second, I really wish XTC mode worked better, even if one wanted to run >> stems >> to sum in the Scope mixer. For me, there is the >> composing/tracking/humming/screwing >> around stage of making music and then the mixing/tweaking stage. The >> ability >> to use XTC mode to start, then render the Scope tracks before 'serious' >> mixing >> would be ideal. I know it's possible now but XTC mode is so shaky I'm not >> sure it's worth the bother. >> >> TCB >> >> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>>I previously posted............. >>> >>>>Either you have to work in XTC mode=20 >>>which negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you = >>>sum=20 >>>in Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, or you work "in series" = >>>wherein < >>> >>>this should read ....... >>> >>>Either you have to work in XTC mode=20 >>>which negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you = >>>sum=20 >>>in Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, so you work "in series" = >>>wherein .yadda yadda....... >>> >>>Deej >>> >>>"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:4596a69a@linux... >>>> Neil, >>>>=20 >>>> Great post. The evolution of the cards/names is definitely confusing. >> = >>>Now=20 >>>> here are some more thoughts for Parisites. >>>>=20 >>>> Seems all proprietary DSP cards have their advantages and drawbacks. = >>>Look at=20 >>>> the limitations of Pro Tools for instance as far as being able to run >> = >>>lots=20 >>>> of plugins. You have to buy lot$ of extra DSP hardware so in that = >>>respect,=20 >>>> there are similarities to Scope and needing the higher DSP processor = >>>counts.=20 >>>> It's pretty much a concensus of opinion over on the PlanetZ forum that >> = >>>30=20 >>>> DSP's (two "Pro cards") are necessary for serious mixing. The same = >>>thing=20 >>>> with the Soundscape system. >>>>=20 >>>> Also, before I diss the Scope platform as far as plugins go, I'm going >> = >>>to=20 >>>> need to get spend some time with the third party offerings.. As with = >>>PT and=20 >>>> Soundscape, there are "lots" of third party plugins for this platform. >> = >>>I've=20 >>>> got the demos DL'ed but haven't tried them yet. IMHO, the stock = >>>plugins for=20 >>>> this platform are as good or better than the stock EDS plugins that = >>>came=20 >>>> with the Paris system with some being "much" better (have you tried = >>>the=20 >>>> deesser?), and I'll wager that like the Skunkworks subsequent = >>>offerings that=20 >>>> were DSP based, the third party plugs for this program may be = >>>excellent=20 >>>> stuff..........but like Paris, and as you have already pointed out, = >>>the DSP=20 >>>> resources are rather limited on the Home and Project cards so going = >>>Pro=20 >>>> would be the ticket if this was going to be a large mixdown platform.. >>>>=20 >>>> I do agree with you that the implementation of this platform as = >>>relates to=20 >>>> working in a native audio app sorta sucks, but you can look at it = >>>either as=20 >>>> a step backwards or as being familiar. Either you have to work in XTC >> = >>>mode=20 >>>> which negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you >> = >>>sum=20 >>>> in Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, or you work "in series" = >>>wherein=20 >>>> with the VST plugins are required to be first in the series, similar >> = >>>to the=20 >>>> Paris native>EDS "in series" scenario (the familiar). >>>>=20 >>>> Another killer way to use this platform is as a *real time* FX = >>>processor=20 >>>> interfacing with the Paris ADAT and S/Pdif I/O on the Paris inserts = >>>and=20 >>>> auxes. The Vinco doesn't use an inordinate amount of DSP and it's got >> = >>>two=20 >>>> modes. Again as you pointed out, it's an 1176 ringer, but it also does >> = >>>a=20 >>>> nice opto. I will be looking at some of the third party plugins as = >>>well=20 >>>> because I have heard some comparisons that were posted of the DAS EQ's >> = >>>and=20 >>>> they were damned nice. The API sounded killer and the Pultec gave a = >>>good=20 >>>> account of itself vs the UAD-1 Pultec. Using these as "real time" = >>>plugins on=20 >>>> Paris auxes/inserts may be similar to having a "zero audible latency" >> = >>>UAD-1=20 >>>> scenario. >>>>=20 >>>> You and I had different expectations for this platform and mine have = >>>been=20 >>>> met in spades. The way I use Scope works wonders for my particular = >>>Paris=20 >>>> summing madness and it is the most stable and flexible native audio = >>>platform=20 >>>> I've ever encountered. I was going more for I/O connectivity on a = >>>stable=20 >>>> platform and the incredible (and to me, fast & intuitive) routing = >>>options=20 >>>> than the plugins. the plugins and synths were icing on the cake for = >>>me. I=20 >>>> really never expected to give up my UAD cards but if the 3rd party = >>>plugins=20 >>>> are to my liking and I get sick of mixing on three platforms, I just = >>>might..=20 >>>> In the meantime, the stability and the routing were the major ticket = >>>IMO.=20 >>>> The routing has saved me lots of $$$ because it allows the Scope = >>>platform to=20 >>>> be used as a digital patchbay, enhancing what I already have here that >> = >>>I was=20 >>>> getting ready to expand.. These two things were worth the price of=20 >>>> admission. >>>>=20 >>>> Cheers, >>>> ;o) >>>>=20 >>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45952a49$1@linux... >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, this looks like the same thing as their "Mix & Master >>>>> Pack", which I also have... this is another problem with the >>>>> Creamware stuff - they have a couple of different names for >>>>> every product, and it's confusing (can't help their marketing >>>>> efforts any, either); it's like they decided to rename their >>>>> entire product line, but never dropped the old names, either. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, yes, to me this looks like the exact same thing as what >>>>> they now call their Mix & Master Pack, and IMO, YMMV, etc, some >>>>> of the FX are useful, and some of 'em are total crap... or more >>>>> accurately, some are useful, some are crap, some don't seem to &gt
here someone mentioned that >>>>> you have to get the Vinco compressor in the red before it does >>>>> anything. I didn't find that to be the case, but then I haven't >>>>> tried it on low-level signals (and maybe they were >>>>> exaggerating a bit). >>>>> >>>>> Also, Aaron, what they mention on that page you liked to (down >>>>> at the bottom of the page) with regard to the list >>>>> of "plugins", well some of 'em ain't exactly plugins!. I'll >>>>> paste that list in & run through it in the order they mention >>>>> the items (my comments in parenthesis below): >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *MasterVerb Pro (a pretty nice-sounding reverb, IMO. Not raving >>>>> about it, necessarily, but it sucketh not). >>>>> >>>>> *Optimaster (this is something like Izotope's Ozone... a Multi- >>>>> EFX mastering app. It's got a Compressor, a limiter, expander, >>>>> all multi-band (3 bands). It's not as versatile as Ozone, and >>>>> doesn't have a stereo spread section (or a reverb, but that >>>>> would be your "MasterVerb", above), but it sounds pretty good, >>>>> I think - very smooth. The limiter is either totally incapable >>>>> of brickwaling, or I haven't figured out how to get it there, >>>>> because I've had to adjust the master level down to avoid overs >>>>> even when using this. It has a bunch of presets (not all of the >>>>> plugins do), some of which seem pretty useful as starting >>>>> points. I wouldn't want to run a Mastering house using this >>>>> application, so their choice of name may be stretching things a >>>>> bit, but if you want to strap something nice & smooth & clear- >>>>> sounding/uncolored across your Pulsar mixer's 2-buss, then this >>>>> would be the one to use). >>>>> >>>>> *Vinco Vintage Compressor (a one-trick pony dead-on (at least >>>>> as far as I can tell from what I've run through it so far) >>>>> emulation of an 1176, but cleaner - maybe a little >>>>> less "attitude". I've never found the '76's to be all that >>>>> useful, personally, but for those who lust after them, his >>>>> one's not a bad clone at all. >>>>> >>>>> *PSY-Q (Totally fuckin' useless attempt at a stereo spread >>>>> modifer... as I think I pointed out before, this thing has >>>>> about two degress of variance before it starts chewing the hell >>>>> out of your signal & barfing up something almost vaguely >>>>> resembling music. A waste of code, IMO). Want a killer stereo >>>>> spread modifier? Get the one that comes in Ozone instead. It's >>>>> the only good one I've heard since the Bedini B.A.S.E. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Surroundmixer STM-48s >>>>> *Production Mixer STM-2448 >>>>> *Inline Mixer STM-1632 >>>>> (OK, absolutely NONE of these are really plugins... they're >>>>> MIXERS, one of which you have to have in your routing window & >>>>> be able to route signals through it in order to actually MIX - >>>>> or sum - anything! >>>>> See, the routing window works something like this... you drop >>>>> in a module that represents where your signal is coming from, >>>>> then you drop in a mixer module - you pick the smallest mixer >>>>> you really need, because the bigger the mixer, the more DSP >>>>> power it takes - then you drop in a module that represents >>>>> where you want your signal to go FROM the mixer, and in a very >>>>> small nutshell, that's it. The different modules get connected >>>>> very much like how you do it in Paris' virtual patchbay. >>>>> >>>>> The part about "where your signal is coming from" could mean a >>>>> hardware input (ADAT/Analog/SPDIF/AES) or it could mean a >>>>> software/ASIO input (like for example if you were running >>>>> Cubase or Nuendo or whatnot & you had a 36-channel mix going on >>>>> & you wanted to run each channel individually through the >>>>> Pulsar DSP mixer, you'd drop in an "ASIO Source" module, do a >>>>> couple other things that I don't want to get into right now, >>>>> and connect tha module to the mixer in your routing window... >>>>> now if it's a 32-channel mix you couldn't use the "1632" mixer >>>>> mentioned above, because you'd be four channels short, so you'd >>>>> have to select the 48-channel mixer to get all those channels >>>>> individually. The part about "where you want your signal to go >>>>> to FROM the mixer" is similar... do you want it to go to analog >>>>> outs? Straight to somewhere on the hard disk? Back into your >>>>> native app on 2 new tracks so you can keep the mixes in the >>>>> same project? A combination of Analog outs for monitoring >>>>> purposes, lightpipe outs to your Alesis Masterlink, and also >>>>> straight to the hard disk for a backup copy, all at once? You >>>>> can do this, too. >>>>> >>>>> *MasterVerb Classic (seems to me like the same basic algo's as >>>>> the MasterVerb, but without as much control and a different >>>>> GUI - haven't messed with it enough to be able to tell if it >>>>> sounds much different or not) >>>>> >>>>> *Compressor, Limiter, Gate, Expander, (plain-vanilla dynamics >>>>> plugs without any form of coloration or attitude whatsover... >>>>> great if that's what you want, *YAWN* if it's not.) >>>>> >>>>> *Parametric EQ, 4-Pole, HighCut Filter, LowCut Filter, >>>>> (OK, I THOUGHT I was going to go in the order they mentioned >>>>> it, but these needed to be grouped together... these are all >>>>> the same basic EQ plugin, and the only reason I think they make >>>>> them "separate" plugins is to give you the choice to conserve >>>>> DSP if you only need one band (hi cut or lo cut, for example) - >>>>> again, if there was a way to get more plain than plain >>>>> vanilla... how about a soy-based vanilla? - then that would be >>>>> the way to describe these plugins. Looking for a nice phat Neve- >>>>> ish, phasey, smeary, analog EQ... y'aint gonna find it here, >>>>> al. Phase-linear - I'm guessing - to the point of: "Is it even >>>>> ON?" is the game here. Clean? Yep. Musical? Nope. >>>>> >>>>> *Filter, Chorus, 4-Tap, Chorus, Flanger, Phaser, Delay, Dual >>>>> Delay, AutoPan, AutoWah, Distortion, Dither/Shaper, Early >>>>> Reflector, Harmonic Chorus/Flanger, Multitap Delay, Overdrive, >>>>> Pitch Shifter, Resonator, RingModulator, Tremolo >>>>> >>>>> I haven't used ANY of the delays yet, but most of the >>>>> modulation EFX all appear to be cut from the same mold, in the >>>>> manner of the different EQ plugs - most of the mod EFX are >>>>> pretty funky, and something I wouldn't use, so I can't really >>>>> comment much on these. The dither has quite a few settings, >>>>> some of which sound OK, and some of which sound like crap... >>>>> there's about ninetymillion dither/noise-shaping algos out >>>>> there now, so I'm not even sure what some of the presets >>>>> represent! Anyway, to sum it all up, this batch above >>>>> represents really about 4 total plugin's (Delay, Modulation, >>>>> Dither, and Distortion) that happen to be broken up into a >>>>> number of sub-applets for probably both convenience and >>>>> conservation of DSP... can't blame 'em for that. >>>>> >>>>> This above3 lsit of stuff, as far as I can tell (unless I'm >>>>> missing something somewhere) is identical to what you'd get if >>>>> you select their Mix & Master pack as the software option >>>>> if you order either the "Home" card ($450-ish with 3 DSP chips) >>>>> or the "Project" card ($750-ish with 6 DSP chips)... Thad got a >>>>> special they have for the "Professional" card ($1,250-ish with >>>>> 14 DSP chps) wherein if you buy that card you get both the Mix >>>>> & Master pack PLUS the Synths & Samplers pack (which I know >>>>> nothing about since I don't have that software bundle). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Argh... tired of typing now - will fill you in on the confusing >>>>> differences between the names of the cards (both new AND old/yet >>>>> continuing to be referenced in their own literature), and the >>>>> different i/o options you have to pick from later on. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Neil=20 >>>>=20 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>charset=3Diso-8859-1"> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I previously = >>>posted............. >>> >>> >Either you have to work in XTC mode = >>> which=20 >>>negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you sum = >>> in=20 >>>Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, or you work "in series" wherein >> = >>> >>>< >>> >>> this should read ....... >>> >>> Either you have to work in XTC mode = >>> which=20 >>>negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you sum = >>> in=20 >>>Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, so you = >>>work "in=20 >>>series" wherein .yadda yadda....... >>> >>> Deej >>> >>> "DJ" <<A=20 >>>href=3D"mailto:nowayjose@dude.net">>>size=3D2>nowayjose@dude.net> = >>>wrote in=20 >>>message >>size=3D2>news:4596a69a@linux>>size=3D2>... > Neil, > = >>> > Great=20 >>>post. The evolution of the cards/names is definitely confusing. Now = >>> >=20 >>>here are some more thoughts for Parisites. > > Seems all=20 >>>proprietary DSP cards have their advantages and drawbacks. Look at = >>> > the=20 >>>limitations of Pro Tools for instance as far as being able to run lots = >>> >=20 >>>of plugins. You have to buy lot$ of extra DSP hardware so in that = >>>respect,=20 >>> > there are similarities to Scope and needing the higher DSP = >>>processor=20 >>>counts. > It's pretty much a concensus of opinion over on the = >>>PlanetZ=20 >>>forum that 30 > DSP's (two "Pro cards") are necessary for serious = >>>mixing.=20 >>>The same thing > with the Soundscape system. > > = >>>Also,=20 >>>before I diss the Scope platform as far as plugins go, I'm going to = >>> >=20 >>>need to get spend some time with the third party offerings.. As with PT >> = >>>and=20 >>> > Soundscape, there are "lots" of third party plugins for this = >>>platform.=20 >>>I've > got the demos DL'ed but haven't tried them yet. IMHO, the = >>>stock=20 >>>plugins for > this platform are as good or better than the stock = >>>EDS=20 >>>plugins that came > with the Paris system with some being "much" = >>>better=20 >>>(have you tried the > deesser?), and I'll wager that like the = >>>Skunkworks=20 >>>subsequent offerings that > were DSP based, the third party plugs = >>>for=20 >>>this program may be excellent > stuff..........but like Paris, = >>>and as you=20 >>>have already pointed out, the DSP > resources are rather limited = >>>on the=20 >>>Home and Project cards so going Pro > would be the ticket if this = >>>was=20 >>>going to be a large mixdown platform.. > > I do agree with = >>>you that=20 >>>the implementation of this platform as relates to > working in a = >>>native=20 >>>audio app sorta sucks, but you can look at it either as > a step=20 >>>backwards or as being familiar. Either you have to work in XTC mode = >>> >=20 >>>which negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you = >>>sum=20 >>> > in Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, or you work "in = >>>series"=20 >>>wherein > with the VST plugins are required to be first in = >>>the=20 >>>series, similar to the > Paris native>EDS "in series" scenario = >>>(the=20 >>>familiar). > > Another killer way to use this platform is = >>>as a=20 >>>*real time* FX processor > interfacing with the Paris ADAT and = >>>S/Pdif I/O=20 >>>on the Paris inserts and > auxes. The Vinco doesn't use an = >>>inordinate=20 >>>amount of DSP and it's got two > modes. Again as you pointed out, = >>>it's an=20 >>>1176 ringer, but it also does a > nice opto. I will be looking at = >>>some of=20 >>>the third party plugins as well > because I have heard some = >>>comparisons=20 >>>that were posted of the DAS EQ's and > they were damned nice. The = >>>API=20 >>>sounded killer and the Pultec gave a good > account of itself vs = >>>the=20 >>>UAD-1 Pultec. Using these as "real time" plugins on > Paris = >>>auxes/inserts=20 >>>may be similar to having a "zero audible latency" UAD-1 >=20 >>>scenario. > > You and I had different expectations for this = >>> >>>platform and mine have been > met in spades. The way I use Scope = >>>works=20 >>>wonders for my particular Paris > summing madness and it is the = >>>most=20 >>>stable and flexible native audio platform > I've ever = >>>encountered. I was=20 >>>going more for I/O connectivity on a stable > platform and the = >>>incredible=20 >>>(and to me, fast & intuitive) routing options > than the = >>>plugins. the=20 >>>plugins and synths were icing on the cake for me. I > really = >>>never=20 >>>expected to give up my UAD cards but if the 3rd party plugins > = >>>are to my=20 >>>liking and I get sick of mixing on three platforms, I just might.. = >>> > In=20 >>>the meantime, the stability and the routing were the major ticket IMO. = >>> >=20 >>>The routing has saved me lots of $$$ because it allows the Scope = >>>platform to=20 >>> > be used as a digital patchbay, enhancing what I already have = >>>here that=20 >>>I was > getting ready to expand.. These two things were worth the = >>>price=20 >>>of > admission. > > Cheers, > ;o) > = >>> >=20 >>>"Neil" <>>size=3D2>OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote = >>>in message=20 >>>>>size=3D2>news:45952a49$1@linux>>size=3D2>... >> >> Yeah, this looks like the same = >>>thing as their=20 >>>"Mix & Master >> Pack", which I also have... this is = >>>another=20 >>>problem with the >> Creamware stuff - they have a couple of = >>>different=20 >>>names for >> every product, and it's confusing (can't help = >>>their=20 >>>marketing >> efforts any, either); it's like they decided to = >>>rename=20 >>>their >> entire product line, but never dropped the old names,=20 >>>either. >> >> Anyway, yes, to me this looks like the = >>>exact=20 >>>same thing as what >> they now call their Mix & Master = >>>Pack, and=20 >>>IMO, YMMV, etc, some >> of the FX are useful, and some of 'em = >>>are total=20 >>>crap... or more >> accurately, some are useful, some are crap, = >>>some=20 >>>don't seem to >> do much of anything at all and so you have to = >>>wonder:=20 >>>"why >> bother even writing this plugin?". I noticed in one of=20 >>>the >> Pulsar forum threads the other day where someone = >>>mentioned=20 >>>that >> you have to get the Vinco compressor in the red before = >>>it=20 >>>does >> anything. I didn't find that to be the case, but then I = >>> >>>haven't >> tried it on low-level signals (and maybe they=20 >>>were >> exaggerating a bit). >> >> Also, = >>>Aaron, what=20 >>>they mention on that page you liked to (down >> at the bottom = >>>of the=20 >>>page) with regard to the list >> of "plugins", well some of 'em = >>>ain't=20 >>>exactly plugins!. I'll >> paste that list in & run through = >>>it in=20 >>>the order they mention >> the items (my comments in parenthesis = >>> >>>below): >> >> >> *MasterVerb Pro (a pretty=20 >>>nice-sounding reverb, IMO. Not raving >> about it, necessarily, = >>>but it=20 >>>sucketh not). >> >> *Optimaster (this is something = >>>like=20 >>>Izotope's Ozone... a Multi- >> EFX mastering app. It's got a=20 >>>Compressor, a limiter, expander, >> all multi-band (3 bands). = >>>It's not=20 >>>as versatile as Ozone, and >> doesn't have a stereo spread = >>>section (or=20 >>>a reverb, but that >> would be your "MasterVerb", above), but = >>>it sounds=20 >>>pretty good, >> I think - very smooth. The limiter is either = >>>totally=20 >>>incapable >> of brickwaling, or I haven't figured out how to = >>>get it=20 >>>there, >> because I've had to adjust the master level down to = >>>avoid=20 >>>overs >> even when using this. It has a bunch of presets (not = >>>all of=20 >>>the >> plugins do), some of which seem pretty useful as=20 >>>starting >> points. I wouldn't want to run a Mastering house = >>>using=20 >>>this >> application, so their choice of name may be stretching = >>>things=20 >>>a >> bit, but if you want to strap something nice & smooth = >>>&=20 >>>clear- >> sounding/uncolored across your Pulsar mixer's 2-buss, = >>>then=20 >>>this >> would be the one to use). >> >> = >>>*Vinco=20 >>>Vintage Compressor (a one-trick pony dead-on (at least >> as = >>>far as I=20 >>>can tell from what I've run through it so far) >> emulation of = >>>an 1176,=20 >>>but cleaner - maybe a little >> less "attitude". I've never = >>>found the=20 >>>'76's to be all that >> useful, personally, but for those who = >>>lust=20 >>>after them, his >> one's not a bad clone at=20 >>>all. >> >> *PSY-Q (Totally fuckin' useless attempt at = >>>a stereo=20 >>>spread >> modifer... as I think I pointed out before, this = >>>thing=20 >>>has >> about two degress of variance before it starts chewing = >>>the=20 >>>hell >> out of your signal & barfing up something almost=20 >>>vaguely >> resembling music. A waste of code, IMO). Want a = >>>killer=20 >>>stereo >> spread modifier? Get the one that comes in Ozone = >>>instead.=20 >>>It's >> the only good one I've heard since the Bedini=20 >>>B.A.S.E. >> >> >> *Surroundmixer = >>>STM-48s >>=20 >>>*Production Mixer STM-2448 >> *Inline Mixer = >>>STM-1632 >> (OK,=20 >>>absolutely NONE of these are really plugins... they're >> = >>>MIXERS, one=20 >>>of which you have to have in your routing window & >> be = >>>able to=20 >>>route signals through it in order to actually MIX - >> or = >>>sum -=20 >>>anything! >> See, the routing window works something like = >>>this... you=20 >>>drop >> in a module that represents where your signal is coming = >>> >>>from, >> then you drop in a mixer module - you pick the = >>>smallest=20 >>>mixer >> you really need, because the bigger the mixer, the = >>>more=20 >>>DSP >> power it takes - then you drop in a module that=20 >>>represents >> where you want your signal to go FROM the mixer, = >>>and in a=20 >>>very >> small nutshell, that's it. The different modules get=20 >>>connected >> very much like how you do it in Paris' virtual=20 >>>patchbay. >> >> The part about "where your signal is = >>>coming=20 >>>from" could mean a >> hardware input (ADAT/Analog/SPDIF/AES) or = >>>it=20 >>>could mean a >> software/ASIO input (like for example if you = >>>were=20 >>>running >> Cubase or Nuendo or whatnot & you had a = >>>36-channel mix=20 >>>going on >> & you wanted to run each channel individually = >>>through=20 >>>the >> Pulsar DSP mixer, you'd drop in an "ASIO Source" module, = >>>do=20 >>>a >> couple other things that I don't want to get into right=20 >>>now, >> and connect tha module to the mixer in your routing=20 >>>window... >> now if it's a 32-channel mix you couldn't use the = >>>"1632"=20 >>>mixer >> mentioned above, because you'd be four channels short, = >>>so=20 >>>you'd >> have to select the 48-channel mixer to get all those=20 >>>channels >> individually. The part about "where you want your = >>>signal to=20 >>>go >> to FROM the mixer" is similar... do you want it to go to=20 >>>analog >> outs? Straight to somewhere on the hard disk? Back = >>>into=20 >>>your >> native app on 2 new tracks so you can keep the mixes in = >>> >>>the >> same project? A combination of Analog outs for=20 >>>monitoring >> purposes, lightpipe outs to your Alesis = >>>Masterlink, and=20 >>>also >> straight to the hard disk for a backup copy, all at = >>>once?=20 >>>You >> can do this, too. >> >> *MasterVerb = >>>Classic=20 >>>(seems to me like the same basic algo's as >> the MasterVerb, = >>>but=20 >>>without as much control and a different >> GUI - haven't messed = >>>with it=20 >>>enough to be able to tell if it >> sounds much differe
ot;> DJ, ASUS A8R-MVP. Chris' = recommendation. =20 There are faster systems now but if you have the chip go for = it. Tom <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net>=20 wrote in message <A=20 href=3D"news:4596b27e@linux">news:4596b27e@linux... What mobo = you=20 using? I've got a 4800 sitting here that I haven't used yet = (currently=20 using a 4400) Maybe I'll swap this weekend. ;o) "Jamie = K" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:Meta@Dimensional.com">Meta@Dimensional.com> = wrote in=20 message <A=20 = href=3D"news:4596b056@linux">news:4596b056@linux... > > = Happy=20 geekyear indeed! Native DAWs rock, with a sufficiently fast=20 system. > > Cheers, > -Jamie > <A=20 = href=3D"http://www.JamieKrutz.com">www.JamieKrutz.com > >= > >=20 rick wrote: >> well then, happy geekyear to you sir. = ain't=20 nuthin' better than >> smooth sailing and not a cloud in=20 sight. >> >> >> >> On Sat, 30 Dec = 2006=20 03:13:28 -0500, "Tom Bruhl" <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net> >&g= t;=20 wrote: >> >>> I finally have got a few things = running in=20 this new Cubase setup. >>> AMD 4800+. Here is a = little=20 rambling about it's power. >>> >>> Check this=20 out! >>> >>> I have 12 tracks playing 12 = different=20 instruments in Cubase through >>> Kontakt. All=20 native. >>> Basses, violins, pianos, harps, bassoons, = pads,=20 guitars you name it. >>> Using at peak = points >>> 45=20 voices. CPU peaks at >>>=20 = 20%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>=20 90 voices I am assuming 40%. 180 voices? 80%? This may be the = limit=20 >>> give or take. >>> >>> Not = gonna be a=20 problem with anything anymore. I am in heaven and I = >>>=20 can't even hear a note. >>> Meters are jumping around on = all parts=20 but no worries in the CPU >>> department. >>> = I'm=20 thinking that extra gig of Ram (3 gig total) might just be the final=20 >>> final on this rig. >>> I also know that I = have=20 another 10 synths I can add from Creamware to >>>=20 bolster >>> this with virtually no hit to the CPU but some = to RAM=20 of course. Nutz >>> I'm telling ya, just=20 nutz! >>> >>> Sounds will never be the problem = again. Power will never be an issue. >>> Granted=20 Kontakt >>> has onboard native effects that will suck a = little=20 more juice. Oh, so I >>> can only get 150=20 voices. >>> Jeez, before I was struggling along with 48 = total=20 using two Roland >>> samplers. >>>=20 = ____________________________________________________________ __ >&gt= ;>=20 Okay I changed a few things and got 80 voices and 16 tracks running.=20 >>> The CPU peaked at 22%. >>> Obviously = voice=20 numbers are less demanding as compared to sample size >>> = and >>> processing of actual synth engines. These = are all=20 samples with nothing >>> extra=20 happening. >>> >>> I'll be sleeping well=20 tonight. Dreaming about the next synths to load >>> = in. >>> T. as in=20 B. >>> >>> >>> I choose Polesoft = Lockspam=20 to fight spam, and you? >>> <A=20 = href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer= ..html >>=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C72C73.E0ECE070--Yeah, Don's right. It's just as effective showing Don the error of his ways without using a fake name. :^) Maybe in the new year we can all get along without snide partisan jokes or condescending lectures. Could happen? Cheers, -Jamie www.JamieKrutz.com DC wrote: > You guys hiding behind your fake names should be ashamed of yourselves. > > By the way, I know who you both are. I just don't care. > > What is pathetic is the reaction to someone making a little joke at the NYT's > expense. One line of humour, about a thug dictator and a terribly biased > > newspaper and off you go... > > What do you care? What has either of them done for you? > > Yet, you come on here with your fake personas calling names and dumping > on people who have helped you many times, who contribute regularly to > this forum. You dump on them because they dare make a joke of a thug > and a newspaper. > > Here on a little remnant of a user group for a dead platform sitting on a > computer in our friends house in australia. > > After all this time you cannot tolerate dissent from your views? After all > this time we cannot call each other friends? > > This is really sad and says a lot about who you really are. > > DC >......He, he, he, it was too good to be true with all the silence from the trolls.... ......Something or someone must have awoken them the last days of the year, hahahahahahaha.......... (with tons of echoes from deap inside Dovregubbens Hall in a mountain of Norway)..... Welcome to the end of the year and welcome to a new year where God's name again will be abused around the world, trying to find new ways of dominating alliances to take care of the richness for God's own Country. It seems that God's religious feeling isn't staying by President Bush's side these days. It seems that the blindness of the American leaders, in their name of God, have got the American people to see a new kind of light in all the darkness of Iraq..... Welcome into the new year with new polish paper, writing them with new colors, for the worlds sake too, so trolls outside America again will go to sleep deeply, without too much hard feelings about silly jokes or some more serious spoken things;-) I love all the living people here in the the land of the dying Paris, also the awaking trolls:-) Erling "DC" <dc@spammersondrugs.org> skrev i melding news:459731f2$1@linux... > > You guys hiding behind your fake names should be ashamed of yourselves. > > By the way, I know who you both are. I just don't care. > > What is pathetic is the reaction to someone making a little joke at the > NYT's > expense. One line of humour, about a thug dictator and a terribly biased > > newspaper and off you go... > > What do you care? What has either of them done for you? > > Yet, you come on here with your fake personas calling names and dumping > on people who have helped you many times, who contribute regularly to > this forum. You dump on them because they dare make a joke of a thug > and a newspaper. > > Here on a little remnant of a user group for a dead platform sitting on a > computer in our friends house in australia. > > After all this time you cannot tolerate dissent from your views? After > all > this time we cannot call each other friends? > > This is really sad and says a lot about who you really are. > > DC >Hi , When is the time for others? Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so.... The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan ,Palestina ..... You most now the history and now where you talking about before give youre opinion about other poeple or country. Remember Hiroshima and others. I'm curieus about the reactions. Happy new year!!! "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he saw the >noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. > > >"DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >> >> The New York Times goes into mourning.... > >Hello Bunuel, how are you? Have you sleeped well for some times, you greatest troll of them all, here on the Paris-site? ;-) A Happy New Year to you too!-) Erling "bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> skrev i melding news:45970eb8$1@linux... > > "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>yeah.it's easy enough to google anything isn't it? >> >> http://stateoftheday.blogspot.com/2006/09/whom-would-hitler- shake-hands-with.html > > This url was not part of my post; I have not examined or endorsed the > views > held by the blogger. Why you are choosing to include them here is a > mystery > to me. > >> > (snip) >> > > >>Alliances shift.......especially when they are alliances >>of convenience and this is done often in international >politics. It's >>ugly, > but it's a fact of international politics. > > Oh, okay. Got it. Alliances shift. Things get done through manoeuvering > and > manipulation against a background of deals, arrangements, alliances, > payoffs, > betrayals. Everybody plays hardball, and the US, as the WOR Superpower, > likely > plays hardest of all. > > This is an admission, one can only conclude, that the unceasing histrionic > promotion of America's mission to bring democracy to the benighted little > peoples of the world, all the high-flown arias to justice and freedom and > goodness, and the symbolism...all the flag-waving and pledging and the > engraved > monuments and the medals and the flypasts and the patriotic songs, in > short, > the project to deify the American Idea, all this is pure propaganda (if > you're > an innocent) or pure hypocrisy (if you're not).In short, it's all > meaningless. > A lie. Because...well...alliances shift, don't they. > > And whatever the dubious value of the word of other countries, America's > word, at least, is by these admissions, worthless. > What you are admitting is that, as the putative leader of the world, the > US presides over a system devoid of honor and justice, and marked instead > by convenient alliances, betrayal, blackmail, coercion, murder, cronyism, > torture, economic genocide, war profiteering, illegal arms running, > subversion/emasculation > of domestic law, the aiding and abbetting of bloody tyrants and terrorist > organizations, thwarting of international law, etc., etc.. etc. And > that's > all just business as usual from an American standpoint. Just bizness. > 'Cause > alliances shift. > > You excuse American agents like the execrable Rumsfeld and others when it > comes to alliances of convenience, and other temporary and odious > arrangements, > yet I have seen you bitterly denounce the French in particular for just > this > kind of self-interested backroom realpolitik right here on these pages. At > least the French are circumspect about it. They don't try to convince the > world or themselves that what they do is ordained by God for the greater > glory of all His chilluns. Hell no. They do what they do on behalf of > their > own Oligarchy (just as the American government does), except they don't > conjure > up phoney, self-agrandizing names for their efforts, like say...oh, > Operation > Enduring Freedom, is one that springs to mind (????..you've got to be > kidding.) > > > So while you and Don are somberly remembering all those poor Iraqis that > Saddam 'liquidated' to use the term favoured by your Central Intelligence > Agency, you might also considering remembering, belatedly, the mountains > of bodies produced elsewhere over the years by other governments who > enjoyed > 'alliances of convenience' with yours.......Suharto, the Shah, Marcos, > Mobutu, > Duarte, Somoza, Pinochet....there are literally dozens of them, and > hundreds > of thousands of victims. And you might conclude that the roaring noise you > hear in the background when your president says 'they hate our freedoms' > is the ironic, in many cases desperate, laughter of the world's millions, > laughing that they do not weep at the utter shameful mendacity of it all. > Also, you might remember the half-million Iraqi children whose deaths your > Sec of State considered a fair price to pay for furthering US policy. A > half > million! Can you imagine a half million AMERICAN children dead from want > of food and medicine, as the result of an administrative decision? Can you > imagine American reaction to a foreign official, Putin, let's say, > shrugging > his shoulders and saying too bad....a convenience.....get over it. > Alliances > shift. > > > > > >>anyway................I can see where this is going and neither of us is > >>likely to change the other's mind. I'll wager though that the fleeting >>pity > >>that we felt, for whatever reason, is more than Sadaam ever felt when >>feeding people feet first into a wood chipper. > > Yup. You and Don are morally superior to Saddam Hussein. It's a start. I > never doubted that YOU were, actually, but for Don it could be the start > of something big. lol. (Just kidding, big guy! How's that new plectrum > working > out?) > > > Regards, > Bunuel > >> >>Regards, >> >>Deej >> >> >> >> >> >>"bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:4596b519$1@linux... >>> >>> Yeh, me too. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>I did too. Then I remembered. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>>>As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he > saw >>>>the >>>>>noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>>>> >>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >I have no problem with you disparaging God's name. It's freedom of speech which is somewhat restricted in the US anyways. But if you won't stand up for who you are that's just chicken. John "erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote: >.....He, he, he, it was too good to be true with all the silence from the >trolls.... >.....Something or someone must have awoken them the last days of the year, >hahahahahahaha.......... >(with tons of echoes from deap inside Dovregubbens Hall in a mountain of >Norway)..... >Welcome to the end of the year and welcome to a new year where God's name >again will be abused around the world, trying to find new ways of dominating >alliances to take care of the richness for God's own Country. It seems that >God's religious feeling isn't staying by President Bush's side these days. >It seems that the blindness of the American leaders, in their name of God, >have got the American people to see a new kind of light in all the darkness >of Iraq..... > >Welcome into the new year with new polish paper, writing them with new >colors, for the worlds sake too, so trolls outside America again will go to >sleep deeply, without too much hard feelings about silly jokes or some more >serious spoken things;-) > >I love all the living people here in the the land of the dying Paris, also >the awaking trolls:-) > >Erling > > > >"DC" <dc@spammersondrugs.org> skrev i melding news:459731f2$1@linux... >> >> You guys hiding behind your fake names should be ashamed of yourselves. >> >> By the way, I know who you both are. I just don't care. >> >> What is pathetic is the reaction to someone making a little joke at the >> NYT's >> expense. One line of humour, about a thug dictator and a terribly biased >> >> newspaper and off you go... >> >> What do you care? What has either of them done for you? >> >> Yet, you come on here with your fake personas calling names and dumping >> on people who have helped you many times, who contribute regularly to >> this forum. You dump on them because they dare make a joke of a thug >> and a newspaper. >> >> Here on a little remnant of a user group for a dead platform sitting on a >> computer in our friends house in australia. >> >> After all this time you cannot tolerate dissent from your views? After >> all >> this time we cannot call each other friends? >> >> This is really sad and says a lot about who you really are. >> >> DC >> > >That sucker is living my dream. Damn ! DC wrote: > John <no@no.com> wrote: >> so where's the video? i'm telling you "He's not dead". He's in the >> tropics having fun. > > I FOUND HIM! > > He's baaaad... he's nationwide... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >Yeah you sure are a troll bunuel wrote: > "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >> yeah.it's easy enough to google anything isn't it? >> >> http://stateoftheday.blogspot.com/2006/09/whom-would-hitler- shake-hands-with.html > > This url was not part of my post; I have not examined or endorsed the views > held by the blogger. Why you are choosing to include them here is a mystery > to me. > > (snip) > > >> Alliances shift.......especially when they are alliances >> of convenience and this is done often in international >politics. It's ugly, > but it's a fact of international politics. > > Oh, okay. Got it. Alliances shift. Things get done through manoeuvering and > manipulation against a background of deals, arrangements, alliances, payoffs, > betrayals. Everybody plays hardball, and the US, as the WOR Superpower, likely > plays hardest of all. > > This is an admission, one can only conclude, that the unceasing histrionic > promotion of America's mission to bring democracy to the benighted little > peoples of the world, all the high-flown arias to justice and freedom and > goodness, and the symbolism...all the flag-waving and pledging and the engraved > monuments and the medals and the flypasts and the patriotic songs, in short, > the project to deify the American Idea, all this is pure propaganda (if you're > an innocent) or pure hypocrisy (if you're not).In short, it's all meaningless. > A lie. Because...well...alliances shift, don't they. > > And whatever the dubious value of the word of other countries, America's > word, at least, is by these admissions, worthless. > What you are admitting is that, as the putative leader of the world, the > US presides over a system devoid of honor and justice, and marked instead > by convenient alliances, betrayal, blackmail, coercion, murder, cronyism, > torture, economic genocide, war profiteering, illegal arms running, subversion/emasculation > of domestic law, the aiding and abbetting of bloody tyrants and terrorist > organizations, thwarting of international law, etc., etc.. etc. And that's > all just business as usual from an American standpoint. Just bizness. 'Cause > alliances shift. > > You excuse American agents like the execrable Rumsfeld and others when it > comes to alliances of convenience, and other temporary and odious arrangements, > yet I have seen you bitterly denounce the French in particular for just this > kind of self-interested backroom realpolitik right here on these pages. At > least the French are circumspect about it. They don't try to convince the > world or themselves that what they do is ordained by God for the greater > glory of all His chilluns. Hell no. They do what they do on behalf of their > own Oligarchy (just as the American government does), except they don't conjure > up phoney, self-agrandizing names for their efforts, like say...oh, Operation > Enduring Freedom, is one that springs to mind (????..you've got to be kidding.) > > > So while you and Don are somberly remembering all those poor Iraqis that > Saddam 'liquidated' to use the term favoured by your Central Intelligence > Agency, you might also considering remembering, belatedly, the mountains > of bodies produced elsewhere over the years by other governments who enjoyed > 'alliances of convenience' with yours.......Suharto, the Shah, Marcos, Mobutu, > Duarte, Somoza, Pinochet....there are literally dozens of them, and hundreds > of thousands of victims. And you might conclude that the roaring noise you > hear in the background when your president says 'they hate our freedoms' > is the ironic, in many cases desperate, laughter of the world's millions, > laughing that they do not weep at the utter shameful mendacity of it all. > Also, you might remember the half-million Iraqi children whose deaths your > Sec of State considered a fair price to pay for furthering US policy. A half > million! Can you imagine a half million AMERICAN children dead from want > of food and medicine, as the result of an administrative decision? Can you > imagine American reaction to a foreign official, Putin, let's say, shrugging > his shoulders and saying too bad....a convenience.....get over it. Alliances > shift. > > > > > >> anyway................I can see where this is going and neither of us is > >> likely to change the other's mind. I'll wager though that the fleeting pity > >> that we felt, for whatever reason, is more than Sadaam ever felt when >> feeding people feet first into a wood chipper. > > Yup. You and Don are morally superior to Saddam Hussein. It's a start. I > never doubted that YOU were, actually, but for Don it could be the start > of something big. lol. (Just kidding, big guy! How's that new plectrum working > out?) > > > Regards, > Bunuel > >> Regards, >> >> Deej >> >> >> >> >> >> "bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:4596b519$1@linux... >>> Yeh, me too. >>> >>> >>> >>&
or country. > = Remember=20 Hiroshima and others. > I'm curieus about the reactions. > = Happy new=20 year!!! > > "DJ" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:nowayjose@dude.net">nowayjose@dude.net>=20 wrote: >>As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on = his face=20 when he saw > the >>noose was wrenching and despite = myself, I=20 felt pity. >> >> >> "DC" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:dc@saddaminhell.com">dc@saddaminhell.com> = wrote in=20 message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>> >>> The New York Times goes = into=20 mourning.... >> >> > ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C72CE7.07912A10--What is your take on the lack of a real video of this execution. I'm really wondering if this happened at all. They didn't do it in public where lots of people could have filmed it. I know, it was for security reasons, but the video released is meaninless. Even the black and white picture of him "dead" is the worst quality I have EVER seen. Did they take it with a fisher price camera. I mean with all the digital technology even if they showed a video of him being hanged in private in high def I still wouldn't believe it though. Video editing is too good. The only way I would believe it is if it was done in public with lots of cameras taking video from multiple people. What do you guys really think about this amazingly crappy video? Plus, he would be great in ZZTop ! JohnI want to put Paris in my Mac G3 laptop and be able to go out portable with it. I have heard about expansion chassis and adaptors to plug in the side of my laptop, just don't know what to look for. There must be something on E-bay up for bids? SteveHappy New Year, Erling, and all the best! bunuel "erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote: >Hello Bunuel, how are you? >Have you sleeped well for some times, you greatest troll of them all, here >on the Paris-site? ;-) >A Happy New Year to you too!-) > >Erling > >"bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> skrev i melding news:45970eb8$1@linux... >> >> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>yeah.it's easy enough to google anything isn't it? >>> >>> http://stateoftheday.blogspot.com/2006/09/whom-would-hitler- shake-hands-with.html >> >> This url was not part of my post; I have not examined or endorsed the >> views >> held by the blogger. Why you are choosing to include them here is a >> mystery >> to me. >> >>> >> (snip) >>> >> >> >>>Alliances shift.......especially when they are alliances >>>of convenience and this is done often in international >politics. It's >>>ugly, >> but it's a fact of international politics. >> >> Oh, okay. Got it. Alliances shift. Things get done through manoeuvering >> and >> manipulation against a background of deals, arrangements, alliances, >> payoffs, >> betrayals. Everybody plays hardball, and the US, as the WOR Superpower, >> likely >> plays hardest of all. >> >> This is an admission, one can only conclude, that the unceasing histrionic >> promotion of America's mission to bring democracy to the benighted little >> peoples of the world, all the high-flown arias to justice and freedom and >> goodness, and the symbolism...all the flag-waving and pledging and the >> engraved >> monuments and the medals and the flypasts and the patriotic songs, in >> short, >> the project to deify the American Idea, all this is pure propaganda (if >> you're >> an innocent) or pure hypocrisy (if you're not).In short, it's all >> meaningless. >> A lie. Because...well...alliances shift, don't they. >> >> And whatever the dubious value of the word of other countries, America's >> word, at least, is by these admissions, worthless. >> What you are admitting is that, as the putative leader of the world, the >> US presides over a system devoid of honor and justice, and marked instead >> by convenient alliances, betrayal, blackmail, coercion, murder, cronyism, >> torture, economic genocide, war profiteering, illegal arms running, >> subversion/emasculation >> of domestic law, the aiding and abbetting of bloody tyrants and terrorist >> organizations, thwarting of international law, etc., etc.. etc. And >> that's >> all just business as usual from an American standpoint. Just bizness. >> 'Cause >> alliances shift. >> >> You excuse American agents like the execrable Rumsfeld and others when it >> comes to alliances of convenience, and other temporary and odious >> arrangements, >> yet I have seen you bitterly denounce the French in particular for just >> this >> kind of self-interested backroom realpolitik right here on these pages. At >> least the French are circumspect about it. They don't try to convince the >> world or themselves that what they do is ordained by God for the greater >> glory of all His chilluns. Hell no. They do what they do on behalf of >> their >> own Oligarchy (just as the American government does), except they don't >> conjure >> up phoney, self-agrandizing names for their efforts, like say...oh, >> Operation >> Enduring Freedom, is one that springs to mind (????..you've got to be >> kidding.) >> >> >> So while you and Don are somberly remembering all those poor Iraqis that >> Saddam 'liquidated' to use the term favoured by your Central Intelligence >> Agency, you might also considering remembering, belatedly, the mountains >> of bodies produced elsewhere over the years by other governments who >> enjoyed >> 'alliances of convenience' with yours.......Suharto, the Shah, Marcos, >> Mobutu, >> Duarte, Somoza, Pinochet....there are literally dozens of them, and >> hundreds >> of thousands of victims. And you might conclude that the roaring noise you >> hear in the background when your president says 'they hate our freedoms' >> is the ironic, in many cases desperate, laughter of the world's millions, >> laughing that they do not weep at the utter shameful mendacity of it all. >> Also, you might remember the half-million Iraqi children whose deaths your >> Sec of State considered a fair price to pay for furthering US policy. A >> half >> million! Can you imagine a half million AMERICAN children dead from want >> of food and medicine, as the result of an administrative decision? Can you >> imagine American reaction to a foreign official, Putin, let's say, >> shrugging >> his shoulders and saying too bad....a convenience.....get over it. >> Alliances >> shift. >> >> >> >> >> >>>anyway................I can see where this is going and neither of us is >> >>>likely to change the other's mind. I'll wager though that the fleeting >>>pity >> >>>that we felt, for whatever reason, is more than Sadaam ever felt when >>>feeding people feet first into a wood chipper. >> >> Yup. You and Don are morally superior to Saddam Hussein. It's a start. I >> never doubted that YOU were, actually, but for Don it could be the start >> of something big. lol. (Just kidding, big guy! How's that new plectrum >> working >> out?) >> >> >> Regards, >> Bunuel >> >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>>Deej >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>"bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:4596b519$1@linux... >>>> >>>> Yeh, me too. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>I did too. Then I remembered. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>>>>As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he >> saw >>>>>the >>>>>>noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > >John <no@no.com> wrote: >Yeah you sure are a troll Yeah, you sure have a short memory, ingrate. > >bunuel wrote: >> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>> yeah.it's easy enough to google anything isn't it? >>> >>> http://stateoftheday.blogspot.com/2006/09/whom-would-hitler- shake-hands-with.html >> >> This url was not part of my post; I have not examined or endorsed the views >> held by the blogger. Why you are choosing to include them here is a mystery >> to me. >> >> (snip) >> >> >>> Alliances shift.......especially when they are alliances >>> of convenience and this is done often in international >politics. It's ugly, >> but it's a fact of international politics. >> >> Oh, okay. Got it. Alliances shift. Things get done through manoeuvering and >> manipulation against a background of deals, arrangements, alliances, payoffs, >> betrayals. Everybody plays hardball, and the US, as the WOR Superpower, likely >> plays hardest of all. >> >> This is an admission, one can only conclude, that the unceasing histrionic >> promotion of America's mission to bring democracy to the benighted little >> peoples of the world, all the high-flown arias to justice and freedom and >> goodness, and the symbolism...all the flag-waving and pledging and the engraved >> monuments and the medals and the flypasts and the patriotic songs, in short, >> the project to deify the American Idea, all this is pure propaganda (if you're >> an innocent) or pure hypocrisy (if you're not).In short, it's all meaningless. >> A lie. Because...well...alliances shift, don't they. >> >> And whatever the dubious value of the word of other countries, America's >> word, at least, is by these admissions, worthless. >> What you are admitting is that, as the putative leader of the world, the >> US presides over a system devoid of honor and justice, and marked instead >> by convenient alliances, betrayal, blackmail, coercion, murder, cronyism, >> torture, economic genocide, war profiteering, illegal arms running, subversion/emasculation >> of domestic law, the aiding and abbetting of bloody tyrants and terrorist >> organizations, thwarting of international law, etc., etc.. etc. And that's >> all just business as usual from an American standpoint. Just bizness. 'Cause >> alliances shift. >> >> You excuse American agents like the execrable Rumsfeld and others when it >> comes to alliances of convenience, and other temporary and odious arrangements, >> yet I have seen you bitterly denounce the French in particular for just this >> kind of self-interested backroom realpolitik right here on these pages. At >> least the French are circumspect about it. They don't try to convince the >> world or themselves that what they do is ordained by God for the greater >> glory of all His chilluns. Hell no. They do what they do on behalf of their >> own Oligarchy (just as the American government does), except they don't conjure >> up phoney, self-agrandizing names for their efforts, like say...oh, Operation >> Enduring Freedom, is one that springs to mind (????..you've got to be kidding.) >> >> >> So while you and Don are somberly remembering all those poor Iraqis that >> Saddam 'liquidated' to use the term favoured by your Central Intelligence >> Agency, you might also considering remembering, belatedly, the mountains >> of bodies produced elsewhere over the years by other governments who enjoyed >> 'alliances of convenience' with yours.......Suharto, the Shah, Marcos, Mobutu, >> Duarte, Somoza, Pinochet....there are literally dozens of them, and hundreds >> of thousands of victims. And you might conclude that the roaring noise you >> hear in the background when your president says 'they hate our freedoms' >> is the ironic, in many cases desperate, laughter of the world's millions, >> laughing that they do not weep at the utter shameful mendacity of it all. >> Also, you might remember the half-million Iraqi children whose deaths your >> Sec of State considered a fair price to pay for furthering US policy. A half >> million! Can you imagine a half million AMERICAN children dead from want >> of food and medicine, as the result of an administrative decision? Can you >> imagine American reaction to a foreign official, Putin, let's say, shrugging >> his shoulders and saying too bad....a convenience.....get over it. Alliances >> shift. >> >> >> >> >> >>> anyway................I can see where this is going and neither of us is >> >>> likely to change the other's mind. I'll wager though that the fleeting pity >> >>> that we felt, for whatever reason, is more than Sadaam ever felt when >>> feeding people feet first into a wood chipper. >> >> Yup. You and Don are morally superior to Saddam Hussein. It's a start. I >> never doubted that YOU were, actually, but for Don it could be the start >> of something big. lol. (Just kidding, big guy! How's that new plectrum working >> out?) >> >> >> Regards, >> Bunuel >> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Deej >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:4596b519$1@linux... >>>> Yeh, me too. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote: >>>>> I did too. Then I remembered. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he >> saw >>>>> the >>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >>>>>> >>> >>Found this. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521 "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4597be9e$1@linux... > > What is your take on the lack of a real video of this execution. I'm really > wondering if this happened at all. They didn't do it in public where lots > of people could have filmed it. I know, it was for security reasons, but > the video released is meaninless. Even the black and white picture of him > "dead" is the worst quality I have EVER seen. > > Did they take it with a fisher price camera. > > I mean with all the digital technology even if they showed a video of him > being hanged in private in high def I still wouldn't believe it though. > Video editing is too good. The only way I would believe it is if it was > done in public with lots of cameras taking video from multiple people. > What do you guys really think about this amazingly crappy video? > > Plus, he would be great in ZZTop ! > > John(yawn)........hmmm.........seems you have had an apoplectic episode here........ "bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:45970eb8$1@linux... > > "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>yeah.it's easy enough to google anything isn't it? >> >> http://stateoftheday.blogspot.com/2006/09/whom-would-hitler- shake-hands-with.html > > This url was not part of my post; I have not examined or endorsed the > views > held by the blogger. Why you are choosing to include them here is a > mystery > to me. I don't give a **** whether or not you have "sanctified" anything with your "endorsement". Read it and tell me you disagree. If you do, then we've perhaps got something to talk about, irf not, then you are categorized, and killfiled. > >> > (snip) >> > > >>Alliances shift.......especially when they are alliances >>of convenience and this is done often in international >politics. It's >>ugly, > but it's a fact of international politics. > > Oh, okay. Got it. Alliances shift. Yeah.they do..... Things get done through manoeuvering and > manipulation against a background of deals, arrangements, alliances, > payoffs, > betrayals. Sometimes........take France and Russia's assistance to Sadaam in circumventing UN sanctions for instance.... Everybody plays hardball, and the US, as the WOR Superpower, likely > plays hardest of all. ...well.......sometimes when we don't we have to throw some invader out of France for you since it seems that whatever Gallic genetics that have anything at all to do with integrity either migrated to Quebec or were killed off in the Napoleonic wars. .. > > This is an admission, one can only conclude, that the unceasing histrionic > promotion of America's mission to bring democracy to the benighted little > peoples of the world, all the high-flown arias to justice and freedom and > goodness, and the symbolism...all the flag-waving and pledging and the > engraved > monuments and the medals and the flypasts and the patriotic songs, in > short, > the project to deify the American Idea, all this is pure propaganda (if > you're > an innocent) or pure hypocrisy (if you're not).In short, it's all > meaningless. > A lie. Because...well...alliances shift, don't they. Yeah Bunel, as a Frenchman .(or at least an rank Frankophile) you should understand this. Look in the mirror and something shifty will certainly appear. > > And whatever the dubious value of the word of other countries, America's > word, at least, is by these admissions, worthless. > What you are admitting is that, as the putative leader of the world, the > US presides over a system devoid of honor and justice, and marked instead > by convenient alliances, betrayal, blackmail, coercion, murder, cronyism, > torture, economic genocide, war profiteering, illegal arms running, > subversion/emasculation > of domestic law, the aiding and abbetting of bloody tyrants and terrorist > organizations, thwarting of international law, etc., etc.. etc. And > that's > all just business as usual from an American standpoint. Just bizness. > 'Cause > alliances shift. > You excuse American agents like the execrable Rumsfeld and others when it > comes to alliances of convenience, and other temporary and odious > arrangements, > yet I have seen you bitterly denounce the French in particular for just > this > kind of self-interested backroom realpolitik right here on these pages. At > least the French are circumspect about it. They don't try to convince the > world or themselves that what they do is ordained by God for the greater > glory of all His chilluns. Hell no. They do what they do on behalf of > their > own Oligarchy (just as the American government does), except they don't > conjure > up phoney, self-agrandizing names for their efforts, like say...oh, > Operation > Enduring Freedom, is one that springs to mind (????..you've got to be > kidding.) The French, circumspect?.....no.they are not circumspect. They are perfidious and obvious and despite your verbal dirahea above, you just dropped them into the same cesspool that you ascribe to American motives.except you think it is better to be circumspect..........IOW, to slither under the radar to further their own interests while prolonging the bloodthirsty dictatorship of Sadaam for 10 years and allowed his to continue slaughte3ring his people. How many palaces did he build. How many arms and munitions did he uy. How many people could he have fed with your blood money Bunel? > > So while you and Don are somberly remembering all those poor Iraqis that > Saddam 'liquidated' Nope.....you can't rewrite this one amigo. It's on your ass like stink on **** to use the term favoured by your Central Intelligence > Agency, you might also considering remembering, belatedly, the mountains > of bodies produced elsewhere over the years by other governments who > enjoyed > 'alliances of convenience' with yours.......Suharto, the Shah, Marcos, > Mobutu, > Duarte, Somoza, Pinochet....there are literally dozens of them, and > hundreds > of thousands of victims. Yeah, they were sorta like Sadaam. Why don't you take a look at the mountains of bodies produced by Hitler and Stalin and the Gulags pertetuated by their subsequent successors and leftist regimes.Let's take a look at Mao and Castro while we're at it and since you are so good at speculation, why don't you speculate on what might have happened if these monsters were running those countries. You spew this garbage while conveniently ignoring that there was a much greater power struggle going on. At your request, we helped keep these assholes off your doorstep for 40 years. Have you ever been up close and personal with a shooting war Bunel? Maybe you have. I was living in central America in the 70's and 80's saw both sides of the shit going down in both Nicaragua and El Salvador. The Castroites were every bit as bloody and ruthless as the other side and despite the one sided reporting by the press, the people there hated them too. They murdered thousands of people. I saw some of it. And you might conclude that the roaring noise you > hear in the background when your president says 'they hate our freedoms' > is the ironic, in many cases desperate, laughter of the world's millions, > laughing that they do not weep at the utter shameful mendacity of it all. Yeah.that's why there are immigrants just beating down our doors to get out of here. Speaking of shameless mendacity, why don't you read up a bit on French colonial rule and the things your precious country is capable of doing.? ......and BTW, it seems that the natives are getting pretty restless in your neck of the woods. You might wan to think about that the nextime they light up another city or two. > Also, you might remember the half-million Iraqi children whose deaths your > Sec of State considered a fair price to pay for furthering US policy. Nope, this is your bag to hold and you held it for 10 years. A half > million! Can you imagine a half million AMERICAN children dead from want > of food and medicine, as the result of an administrative decision? Excuse me, but you must have mistaken the administration that made this decision and that would be the French. As far as myu imagining half a million American children dead. Yes, I can. I imagine it every day and I think it will happen because there are leftists in our government and media who are willing to do anything for power and also because more than half the people here (if you believe the polls) do not believe we are in a war. It's just gonna take one nuke. I'm sure you will enjoy that until they nuke you and we aren't around anymore to pull your ass out of the fire. Can you > imagine American reaction to a foreign official, Putin, let's say, > shrugging > his shoulders and saying too bad....a convenience.....get over it. > Alliances > shift. I can certainly imagine this.......Putin and Chirac have already done it. > >>anyway................I can see where this is going and neither of us is > >>likely to change the other's mind. I'll wager though that the fleeting >>pity > >>that we felt, for whatever reason, is more than Sadaam ever felt when >>feeding people feet first into a wood chipper. > > Yup. You and Don are morally superior to Saddam Hussein. It's a start. I > never doubted that YOU were, actually, but for Don it could be the start > of something big. lol. (Just kidding, big guy! How's that new plectrum > working > out?) Well..............so far I haven't fed anything into a wood chipper but wood. Happy new year, DJUh huh. I guess so. Whatever. Okay. Until next time Don sez something stupid, then. Happy New Year! bunuel "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >(yawn)........hmmm.........seems you have had an apoplectic episode >here........ > >"bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:45970eb8$1@linux... >> >> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>yeah.it's easy enough to google anything isn't it? >>> >>> http://stateoftheday.blogspot.com/2006/09/whom-would-hitler- shake-hands-with.html >> >> This url was not part of my post; I have not examined or endorsed the >> views >> held by the blogger. Why you are choosing to include them here is a >> mystery >> to me. > >I don't give a **** whether or not you have "sanctified" anything with your >"endorsement". Read it and tell me you disagree. If you do, then we've >perhaps got something to talk about, irf not, then you are categorized, and >killfiled. > >> >>> >> (snip) >>> >> >> >>>Alliances shift.......especially when they are alliances >>>of convenience and this is done often in international >politics. It's >>>ugly, >> but it's a fact of international politics. >> >> Oh, okay. Got it. Alliances shift. > >Yeah.they do..... > >Things get done through manoeuvering and >> manipulation against a background of deals, arrangements, alliances, >> payoffs, >> betrayals. > >Sometimes........take France and Russia's assistance to Sadaam in >circumventing UN sanctions for instance.... > >Everybody plays hardball, and the US, as the WOR Superpower, likely >> plays hardest of all. > >..well.......sometimes when we don't we have to throw some invader out of >France for you since it seems that whatever Gallic genetics that have >anything at all to do with integrity either migrated to Quebec or were >killed off in the Napoleonic wars. >. >> >> This is an admission, one can only conclude, that the unceasing histrionic >> promotion of America's mission to bring democracy to the benighted little >> peoples of the world, all the high-flown arias to justice and freedom and >> goodness, and the symbolism...all the flag-waving and pledging and the >> engraved >> monuments and the medals and the flypasts and the patriotic songs, in >> short, >> the project to deify the American Idea, all this is pure propaganda (if >> you're >> an innocent) or pure hypocrisy (if you're not).In short, it's all >> meaningless. >> A lie. Because...well...alliances shift, don't they. > >Yeah Bunel, as a Frenchman .(or at least an rank Frankophile) you should >understand this. Look in the mirror and something shifty will certainly >appear. >> >> And whatever the dubious value of the word of other countries, America's >> word, at least, is by these admissions, worthless. >> What you are admitting is that, as the putative leader of the world, the >> US presides over a system devoid of honor and justice, and marked instead >> by convenient alliances, betrayal, blackmail, coercion, murder, cronyism, >> torture, economic genocide, war profiteering, illegal arms running, >> subversion/emasculation >> of domestic law, the aiding and abbetting of bloody tyrants and terrorist >> organizations, thwarting of international law, etc., etc.. etc. And >> that's >> all just business as usual from an American standpoint. Just bizness. >> 'Cause >> alliances shift. > > >> You excuse American agents like the execrable Rumsfeld and others when it >> comes to alliances of convenience, and other temporary and odious >> arrangements, >> yet I have seen you bitterly denounce the French in particular for just >> this >> kind of self-interested backroom realpolitik right here on these pages. At >> least the French are circumspect about it. They don't try to convince the >> world or themselves that what they do is ordained by God for the greater >> glory of all His chilluns. Hell no. They do what they do on behalf of >> their >> own Oligarchy (just as the American government does), except they don't >> conjure >> up phoney, self-agrandizing names for their efforts, like say...oh, >> Operation >> Enduring Freedom, is one that springs to mind (????..you've got to be >> kidding.) > >The French, circumspect?.....no.they are not circumspect. They are >perfidious and obvious and despite your verbal dirahea above, you just >dropped them into the same cesspool that you ascribe to American >motives.except you think it is better to be circumspect..........IOW, to >slither under the radar to further their own interests while prolonging the >bloodthirsty dictatorship of Sadaam for 10 years and allowed his to continue >slaughte3ring his people. How many palaces did he build. How many arms and >munitions did he uy. How many people could he have fed with your blood money >Bunel? >> >> So while you and Don are somberly remembering all those poor Iraqis that >> Saddam 'liquidated' > > >Nope.....you can't rewrite this one amigo. It's on your ass like stink on >**** > >to use the term favoured by your Central Intelligence >> Agency, you might also considering remembering, belatedly, the mountains >> of bodies produced elsewhere over the years by other governments who >> enjoyed >> 'alliances of convenience' with yours.......Suharto, the Shah, Marcos, >> Mobutu, >> Duarte, Somoza, Pinochet....there are literally dozens of them, and >> hundreds >> of thousands of victims. > >Yeah, they were sorta like Sadaam. Why don't you take a look at the >mountains of bodies produced by Hitler and Stalin and the Gulags pertetuated >by their subsequent successors and leftist regimes.Let's take a look at Mao >and Castro while we're at it and since you are so good at speculation, why >don't you speculate on what might have happened if these monsters were >running those countries. You spew this garbage while conveniently ignoring >that there was a much greater power struggle going on. At your request, we >helped keep these assholes off your doorstep for 40 years. Have you ever >been up close and personal with a shooting war Bunel? Maybe you have. I was >living in central America in the 70's and 80's saw both sides of the shit >going down in both Nicaragua and El Salvador. The Castroites were every bit >as bloody and ruthless as the other side and despite the one sided reporting >by the press, the people there hated them too. They murdered thousands of >people. I saw some of it. > >And you might conclude that the roaring noise you >> hear in the background when your president says 'they hate our freedoms' >> is the ironic, in many cases desperate, laughter of the world's millions, >> laughing that they do not weep at the utter shameful mendacity of it all. > >Yeah.that's why there are immigrants just beating down our doors to get out >of here. Speaking of shameless mendacity, why don't you read up a bit on >French colonial rule and the things your precious country is capable of >doing.? ......and BTW, it seems that the natives are getting pretty restless >in your neck of the woods. You might wan to think about that the nextime >they light up another city or two. > >> Also, you might remember the half-million Iraqi children whose deaths your >> Sec of State considered a fair price to pay for furthering US policy. > >Nope, this is your bag to hold and you held it for 10 years. > >A half >> million! Can you imagine a half million AMERICAN children dead from want >> of food and medicine, as the result of an administrative decision? > >Excuse me, but you must have mistaken the administration that made this >decision and that would be the French. As far as myu imagining half a >million American children dead. Yes, I can. I imagine it every day and I >think it will happen because there are leftists in our government and media >who are willing to do anything for power and also because more than half the >people here (if you believe the polls) do not believe we are in a war. It's >just gonna take one nuke. I'm sure you will enjoy that until they nuke you >and we aren't around anymore to pull your ass out of the fire. > >Can you >> imagine American reaction to a foreign official, Putin, let's say, >> shrugging >> his shoulders and saying too bad....a convenience.....get over it. >> Alliances >> shift. > >I can certainly imagine this.......Putin and Chirac have already done it. >> >>>anyway................I can see where this is going and neither of us is >> >>>likely to change the other's mind. I'll wager though that the fleeting >>>pity >> >>>that we felt, for whatever reason, is more than Sadaam ever felt when >>>feeding people feet first into a wood chipper. >> >> Yup. You and Don are morally superior to Saddam Hussein. It's a start. I >> never doubted that YOU were, actually, but for Don it could be the start >> of something big. lol. (Just kidding, big guy! How's that new plectrum >> working >> out?) > >Well..............so far I haven't fed anything into a wood chipper but >wood. > >Happy new year, > >DJ > >Does each PCIe slot have it's own bus or are all PCIe slots on a mobo sharing the same PCIe bus? Are IRQ's shared between devices that are using different PCIe slots? Are IRQ's shared between devices using the PCIe slots and the legacy PCI slots? My brain is starting to squirm with some thoughts of stupid computer tricks. ;o)Well.happy new year to you too and apologies for all the misspellings. It was a pre-coffee post and my level of typing and rightist hysteria wasn't nearly what it should have been. ;o) "bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:45980050@linux... > > > Uh huh. I guess so. Whatever. > > Okay. Until next time Don sez something stupid, then. > Happy New Year! > > bunuel > > > > > > "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>(yawn)........hmmm.........seems you have had an apoplectic episode >>here........ >> >>"bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:45970eb8$1@linux... >>> >>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>>yeah.it's easy enough to google anything isn't it? >>>> >>>> http://stateoftheday.blogspot.com/2006/09/whom-would-hitler- shake-hands-with.html >>> >>> This url was not part of my post; I have not examined or endorsed the > >>> views >>> held by the blogger. Why you are choosing to include them here is a >>> mystery >>> to me. >> >>I don't give a **** whether or not you have "sanctified" anything with >>your > >>"endorsement". Read it and tell me you disagree. If you do, then we've >>perhaps got something to talk about, irf not, then you are categorized, > and >>killfiled. >> >>> >>>> >>> (snip) >>>> >>> >>> >>>>Alliances shift.......especially when they are alliances >>>>of convenience and this is done often in international >politics. It's > >>>>ugly, >>> but it's a fact of international politics. >>> >>> Oh, okay. Got it. Alliances shift. >> >>Yeah.they do..... >> >>Things get done through manoeuvering and >>> manipulation against a background of deals, arrangements, alliances, >>> payoffs, >>> betrayals. >> >>Sometimes........take France and Russia's assistance to Sadaam in >>circumventing UN sanctions for instance.... >> >>Everybody plays hardball, and the US, as the WOR Superpower, likely >>> plays hardest of all. >> >>..well.......sometimes when we don't we have to throw some invader out of > >>France for you since it seems that whatever Gallic genetics that have >>anything at all to do with integrity either migrated to Quebec or were >>killed off in the Napoleonic wars. >>. >>> >>> This is an admission, one can only conclude, that the unceasing >>> histrionic >>> promotion of America's mission to bring democracy to the benighted >>> little >>> peoples of the world, all the high-flown arias to justice and freedom > and >>> goodness, and the symbolism...all the flag-waving and pledging and the > >>> engraved >>> monuments and the medals and the flypasts and the patriotic songs, in > >>> short, >>> the project to deify the American Idea, all this is pure propaganda (if > >>> you're >>> an innocent) or pure hypocrisy (if you're not).In short, it's all >>> meaningless. >>> A lie. Because...well...alliances shift, don't they. >> >>Yeah Bunel, as a Frenchman .(or at least an rank Frankophile) you should > >>understand this. Look in the mirror and something shifty will certainly > >>appear. >>> >>> And whatever the dubious value of the word of other countries, America's >>> word, at least, is by these admissions, worthless. >>> What you are admitting is that, as the putative leader of the world, the >>> US presides over a system devoid of honor and justice, and marked >>> instead >>> by convenient alliances, betrayal, blackmail, coercion, murder, >>> cronyism, >>> torture, economic genocide, war profiteering, illegal arms running, >>> subversion/emasculation >>> of domestic law, the aiding and abbetting of bloody tyrants and >>> terrorist >>> organizations, thwarting of international law, etc., etc.. etc. And >>> that's >>> all just business as usual from an American standpoint. Just bizness. > >>> 'Cause >>> alliances shift. >> >> >>> You excuse American agents like the execrable Rumsfeld and others when > it >>> comes to alliances of convenience, and other temporary and odious >>> arrangements, >>> yet I have seen you bitterly denounce the French in particular for just > >>> this >>> kind of self-interested backroom realpolitik right here on these pages. > At >>> least the French are circumspect about it. They don't try to convince > the >>> world or themselves that what they do is ordained by God for the greater >>> glory of all His chilluns. Hell no. They do what they do on behalf of > >>> their >>> own Oligarchy (just as the American government does), except they don't > >>> conjure >>> up phoney, self-agrandizing names for their efforts, like say...oh, >>> Operation >>> Enduring Freedom, is one that springs to mind (????..you've got to be > >>> kidding.) >> >>The French, circumspect?.....no.they are not circumspect. They are >>perfidious and obvious and despite your verbal dirahea above, you just >>dropped them into the same cesspool that you ascribe to American >>motives.except you think it is better to be circumspect..........IOW, to > >>slither under the radar to further their own interests while prolonging > the >>bloodthirsty dictatorship of Sadaam for 10 years and allowed his to >>continue > >>slaughte3ring his people. How many palaces did he build. How many arms and > >>munitions did he uy. How many people could he have fed with your blood >>money > >>Bunel? >>> >>> So while you and Don are somberly remembering all those poor Iraqis that >>> Saddam 'liquidated' >> >> >>Nope.....you can't rewrite this one amigo. It's on your ass like stink on > >>**** >> >>to use the term favoured by your Central Intelligence >>> Agency, you might also considering remembering, belatedly, the mountains >>> of bodies produced elsewhere over the years by other governments who >>> enjoyed >>> 'alliances of convenience' with yours.......Suharto, the Shah, Marcos, > >>> Mobutu, >>> Duarte, Somoza, Pinochet....there are literally dozens of them, and >>> hundreds >>> of thousands of victims. >> >>Yeah, they were sorta like Sadaam. Why don't you take a look at the >>mountains of bodies produced by Hitler and Stalin and the Gulags >>pertetuated > >>by their subsequent successors and leftist regimes.Let's take a look at > Mao >>and Castro while we're at it and since you are so good at speculation, why > >>don't you speculate on what might have happened if these monsters were >>running those countries. You spew this garbage while conveniently ignoring > >>that there was a much greater power struggle going on. At your request, > we >>helped keep these assholes off your doorstep for 40 years. Have you ever > >>been up close and personal with a shooting war Bunel? Maybe you have. I > was >>living in central America in the 70's and 80's saw both sides of the shit > >>going down in both Nicaragua and El Salvador. The Castroites were every > bit >>as bloody and ruthless as the other side and despite the one sided >>reporting > >>by the press, the people there hated them too. They murdered thousands of > >>people. I saw some of it. >> >>And you might conclude that the roaring noise you >>> hear in the background when your president says 'they hate our freedoms' >>> is the ironic, in many cases desperate, laughter of the world's >>> millions, >>> laughing that they do not weep at the utter shameful mendacity of it >>> all. >> >>Yeah.that's why there are immigrants just beating down our doors to get > out >>of here. Speaking of shameless mendacity, why don't you read up a bit on > >>French colonial rule and the things your precious country is capable of > >>doing.? ......and BTW, it seems that the natives are getting pretty >>restless > >>in your neck of the woods. You might wan to think about that the nextime > >>they light up another city or two. >> >>> Also, you might remember the half-million Iraqi children whose deaths > your >>> Sec of State considered a fair price to pay for furthering US policy. >> >>Nope, this is your bag to hold and you held it for 10 years. >> >>A half >>> million! Can you imagine a half million AMERICAN children dead from want >>> of food and medicine, as the result of an administrative decision? >> >>Excuse me, but you must have mistaken the administration that made this > >>decision and that would be the French. As far as myu imagining half a >>million American children dead. Yes, I can. I imagine it every day and I > >>think it will happen because there are leftists in our government and >>media > >>who are willing to do anything for power and also because more than half > the >>people here (if you believe the polls) do not believe we are in a war. >>It's > >>just gonna take one nuke. I'm sure you will enjoy that until they nuke you > >>and we aren't around anymore to pull your ass out of the fire. >> >>Can you >>> imagine American reaction to a foreign official, Putin, let's say, >>> shrugging >>> his shoulders and saying too bad....a convenience.....get over it. >>> Alliances >>> shift. >> >>I can certainly imagine this.......Putin and Chirac have already done it. >>> >>>>anyway................I can see where this is going and neither of us > is >>> >>>>likely to change the other's mind. I'll wager though that the fleeting > >>>>pity >>> >>>>that we felt, for whatever reason, is more than Sadaam ever felt when >>>>feeding people feet first into a wood chipper. >>> >>> Yup. You and Don are morally superior to Saddam Hussein. It's a start. > I >>> never doubted that YOU were, actually, but for Don it could be the start >>> of something big. lol. (Just kidding, big guy! How's that new plectrum > >>> working >>> out?) >> >>Well..............so far I haven't fed anything into a wood chipper but > >>wood. >> >>Happy new year, >> >>DJ >> >> >And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like you, that Europe is headed for Eurabia. Want to save yourselves? Start here: http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563 http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/ Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective. Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, for you things get much worse than the articles above present. You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you can act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere in your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the self-righteous, and tell the truth. I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a damn RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your welfare I am interested in. Contrast that with the derision coming from your side... DC "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote: > >Hi , >When is the time for others? >Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so.... >The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan ,Palestina >.... >You most now the history and now where you talking about before give youre >opinion about other poeple or country. >Remember Hiroshima and others. >I'm curieus about the reactions. >Happy new year!!! > >"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he saw >the >>noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >> >> >>"DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>> >>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >> >> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C72CD9.9C772D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This help Doug? Even if they do share, looks like the bandwidth issues are pretty null = at the higher rates at the very least - as long as the system shares = nicely.=20 Common Buses and their Max Bandwidth=20 PCI 132 MB/s=20 AGP 8X 2,100 MB/s=20 PCI Express 1x 250 [500]* MB/s=20 PCI Express 2x 500 [1000]* MB/s=20 PCI Express 4x 1000 [2000]* MB/s=20 PCI Express 8x 2000 [4000]* MB/s=20 PCI Express 16x 4000 [8000]* MB/s=20 PCI Express 32x 8000 [16000]* MB/s=20 IDE (ATA100) 100 MB/s=20 IDE (ATA133) 133 MB/s=20 SATA 150 MB/s=20 Gigabit Ethernet 125 MB/s=20 IEEE1394B [firewire] 100 MB/s=20 http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_PCI_Express.htm l PCI-e Spec 1.1 http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/pciexpress/ PCI-e spec 2.0 http://www.pcisig.com/news_room/faqs/pcie2.0_faq/ AA "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:4598014c@linux... > Does each PCIe slot have it's own bus or are all PCIe slots on a mobo=20 > sharing the same PCIe bus? >=20 > Are IRQ's shared between devices that are using different PCIe slots? >=20 > Are IRQ's shared between devices using the PCIe slots and the legacy = PCI=20 > slots? >=20 > My brain is starting to squirm with some thoughts of stupid computer = tricks. >=20 > ;o)=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C72CD9.9C772D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This help = Doug? Even if they do share, looks like the = bandwidth=20 issues are pretty null at the higher rates at the very least - as long = as the=20 system shares nicely. Common Buses and their Max=20 Bandwidth PCI 132 MB/s AGP 8X 2,100 MB/s PCI Express 1x 250 [500]* MB/s PCI Express 2x 500 [1000]* MB/s PCI Express 4x 1000 [2000]* MB/s PCI Express 8x 2000 [4000]* MB/s PCI Express 16x 4000 [8000]* MB/s PCI Express 32x 8000 [16000]* MB/s IDE (ATA100) 100 MB/s IDE (ATA133) 133 MB/s SATA 150 MB/s Gigabit Ethernet 125 MB/s IEEE1394B [firewire] 100 = MB/s <A=20 href=3D" http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_PCI_Express.htm l"><F= ONT=20 face=3DArial=20 size=3D2> http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_PCI_Express.htm l</F= ONT> PCI-e Spec 1.1 http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/pciexpress/</DIV= > PCI-e spec 2.0 http://www.pcisig.com/news_room/faqs/pcie2.0_faq/</DI= V> AA "DJ" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:nowayjose@dude.net">nowayjose@dude.net> = wrote in=20 message news:4598014c@linux... > Does each PCIe = slot have=20 it's own bus or are all PCIe slots on a mobo > sharing the same = PCIe=20 bus? > > Are IRQ's shared between devices that are using = different=20 PCIe slots? > > Are IRQ's shared between devices using the = PCIe=20 slots and the legacy PCI > slots? > > My brain is = starting=20 to squirm with some thoughts of stupid computer tricks. > > = ;o)=20 > > ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C72CD9.9C772D90--This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01C72CD1.D545B1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So the additional bandwidth of PCIe would basically allow driver sharing = between devices that would go normally go to war on a PCI "only" mobo? ;o) "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message = news:459802a7@linux... This help Doug? Even if they do share, looks like the bandwidth issues are pretty null = at the higher rates at the very least - as long as the system shares = nicely.=20 Common Buses and their Max Bandwidth=20 PCI 132 MB/s=20 AGP 8X 2,100 MB/s=20 PCI Express 1x 250 [500]* MB/s=20 PCI Express 2x 500 [1000]* MB/s=20 PCI Express 4x 1000 [2000]* MB/s=20 PCI Express 8x 2000 [4000]* MB/s=20 PCI Express 16x 4000 [8000]* MB/s=20 PCI Express 32x 8000 [16000]* MB/s=20 IDE (ATA100) 100 MB/s=20 IDE (ATA133) 133 MB/s=20 SATA 150 MB/s=20 Gigabit Ethernet 125 MB/s=20 IEEE1394B [firewire] 100 MB/s=20 http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_PCI_Express.htm l PCI-e Spec 1.1 http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/pciexpress/ PCI-e spec 2.0 http://www.pcisig.com/news_room/faqs/pcie2.0_faq/ AA "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:4598014c@linux... > Does each PCIe slot have it's own bus or are all PCIe slots on a = mobo=20 > sharing the same PCIe bus? >=20 > Are IRQ's shared between devices that are using different PCIe = slots? >=20 > Are IRQ's shared between devices using the PCIe slots and the legacy = PCI=20 > slots? >=20 > My brain is starting to squirm with some thoughts of stupid computer = tricks. >=20 > ;o)=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01C72CD1.D545B1D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So the additional bandwidth of PCIe = would basically=20 allow driver sharing between devices that would go normally go to war on = a PCI=20 "only" mobo? ;o) <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> "Aaron Allen" <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude> = wrote in=20 message news:459802a7@linux... This help = Doug? Even if they do share, looks like the = bandwidth=20 issues are pretty null at the higher rates at the very least - as long = as the=20 system shares nicely. Common Buses and their Max=20 Bandwidth PCI 132 MB/s AGP 8X 2,100 MB/s PCI Express 1x 250 [500]* MB/s PCI Express 2x 500 [1000]* MB/s PCI Express 4x 1000 [2000]* MB/s PCI Express 8x 2000 [4000]* MB/s PCI Express 16x 4000 [8000]* MB/s PCI Express 32x 8000 [16000]* = MB/s IDE (ATA100) 100 MB/s IDE (ATA133) 133 MB/s SATA 150 MB/s Gigabit Ethernet 125 MB/s IEEE1394B [firewire] 100=20 MB/s <A=20 = href=3D" http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_PCI_Express.htm l"><F= ONT=20 face=3DArial=20 = size=3D2> http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_PCI_Express.htm l</F= ONT> PCI-e Spec 1.1 <FONT=20 face=3DArial=20 = size=3D2>http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/pciexpress/</DIV= > PCI-e spec 2.0 <FONT=20 face=3DArial=20 = size=3D2>http://www.pcisig.com/news_room/faqs/pcie2.0_faq/</DI= V> AA "DJ" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:nowayjose@dude.net">nowayjose@dude.net> = wrote in=20 message news:4598014c@linux... > Does each = PCIe slot have=20 it's own bus or are all PCIe slots on a mobo > sharing the same = PCIe=20 bus? > > Are IRQ's shared between devices that are using=20 different PCIe slots? > > Are IRQ's shared between = devices using=20 the PCIe slots and the legacy PCI > slots? > > My = brain is=20 starting to squirm with some thoughts of stupid computer = tricks. >=20 > ;o) > > ------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01C72CD1.D545B1D0--This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C72CDB.A0344AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd think that depends on the drivers. Graphics cards are definitely = suspect IMO.=20 "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:45980372@linux... So the additional bandwidth of PCIe would basically allow driver = sharing between devices that would go normally go to war on a PCI "only" = mobo? ;o) "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message = news:459802a7@linux... This help Doug? Even if they do share, looks like the bandwidth issues are pretty = null at the higher rates at the very least - as long as the system = shares nicely.=20 Common Buses and their Max Bandwidth=20 PCI 132 MB/s=20 AGP 8X 2,100 MB/s=20 PCI Express 1x 250 [500]* MB/s=20 PCI Express 2x 500 [1000]* MB/s=20 PCI Express 4x 1000 [2000]* MB/s=20 PCI Express 8x 2000 [4000]* MB/s=20 PCI Express 16x 4000 [8000]* MB/s=20 PCI Express 32x 8000 [16000]* MB/s=20 IDE (ATA100) 100 MB/s=20 IDE (ATA133) 133 MB/s=20 SATA 150 MB/s=20 Gigabit Ethernet 125 MB/s=20 IEEE1394B [firewire] 100 MB/s=20 http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_PCI_Express.htm l PCI-e Spec 1.1 http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/pciexpress/ PCI-e spec 2.0 http://www.pcisig.com/news_room/faqs/pcie2.0_faq/ AA "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:4598014c@linux... > Does each PCIe slot have it's own bus or are all PCIe slots on a = mobo=20 > sharing the same PCIe bus? >=20 > Are IRQ's shared between devices that are using different PCIe = slots? >=20 > Are IRQ's shared between devices using the PCIe slots and the = legacy PCI=20 > slots? >=20 > My brain is starting to squirm with some thoughts of stupid = computer tricks. >=20 > ;o)=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C72CDB.A0344AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd think that depends on the drivers. = Graphics=20 cards are definitely suspect IMO. "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net>=20 wrote in message <A=20 href=3D"news:45980372@linux">news:45980372@linux... So the additional bandwidth of PCIe = would=20 basically allow driver sharing between devices that would go normally = go to=20 war on a PCI "only" mobo? ;o) <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> "Aaron Allen" <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude> = wrote=20 in message news:459802a7@linux... This help = Doug? Even if they do share, looks like = the bandwidth=20 issues are pretty null at the higher rates at the very least - as = long as=20 the system shares nicely. Common Buses and their Max=20 Bandwidth PCI 132 MB/s AGP 8X 2,100 MB/s PCI Express 1x 250 [500]* MB/s PCI Express 2x 500 [1000]* = MB/s PCI Express 4x 1000 [2000]* = MB/s PCI Express 8x 2000 [4000]* = MB/s PCI Express 16x 4000 [8000]* = MB/s PCI Express 32x 8000 [16000]* = MB/s IDE (ATA100) 100 MB/s IDE (ATA133) 133 MB/s SATA 150 MB/s Gigabit Ethernet 125 MB/s IEEE1394B [firewire] 100=20 MB/s <A=20 = href=3D" http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_PCI_Express.htm l"><F= ONT=20 face=3DArial=20 = size=3D2> http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_PCI_Express.htm l</F= ONT> PCI-e Spec 1.1 <FONT=20 face=3DArial=20 = size=3D2>http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/pciexpress/</DIV= > PCI-e spec 2.0 <FONT=20 face=3DArial=20 = size=3D2>http://www.pcisig.com/news_room/faqs/pcie2.0_faq/</DI= V> AA "DJ" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:nowayjose@dude.net">nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in=20 message news:4598014c@linux... > Does each = PCIe slot have=20 it's own bus or are all PCIe slots on a mobo > sharing the = same PCIe=20 bus? > > Are IRQ's shared between devices that are = using=20 different PCIe slots? > > Are IRQ's shared between = devices=20 using the PCIe slots and the legacy PCI > slots? > = > My=20 brain is starting to squirm with some thoughts of stupid computer=20 tricks. > > ;o) > >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C72CDB.A0344AB0--That's probably the crappiest video I have ever seen. I can't wait to see him playing with ZZTop ! Rob Arsenault wrote: > Found this. > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521 > > > > "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4597be9e$1@linux... >> What is your take on the lack of a real video of this execution. I'm > really >> wondering if this happened at all. They didn't do it in public where lots >> of people could have filmed it. I know, it was for security reasons, but >> the video released is meaninless. Even the black and white picture of him >> "dead" is the worst quality I have EVER seen. >> >> Did they take it with a fisher price camera. >> >> I mean with all the digital technology even if they showed a video of him >> being hanged in private in high def I still wouldn't believe it though. >> Video editing is too good. The only way I would believe it is if it was >> done in public with lots of cameras taking video from multiple people. >> What do you guys really think about this amazingly crappy video? >> >> Plus, he would be great in ZZTop ! >> >> John > >It's a lot easier to just hate than it is to have an intelligent conversation. DC wrote: > And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like you, > that Europe is headed for Eurabia. > > Want to save yourselves? > > Start here: > > http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html > > http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563 > > http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/ > > > Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective. > > Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, for > you > things get much worse than the articles above present. > > You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you can > act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere in > your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great > about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the self-righteous, > > and tell the truth. > > I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a damn > RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I > have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your welfare > > I am interested in. > > Contrast that with the derision coming from your side... > > DC > > "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Hi , >> When is the time for others? >> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so.... >> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan ,Palestina >> .... >> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give youre >> opinion about other poeple or country. >> Remember Hiroshima and others. >> I'm curieus about the reactions. >> Happy new year!!! >> >> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he saw >> the >>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>> >>> >>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >>> >Here's one more, that takes faith into account. Not a belief, but as an important part of a culture. http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/852 DCI hate no one. DC John <no@no.com> wrote: >It's a lot easier to just hate than it is to have an intelligent >conversation. > >DC wrote: >> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like you, >> that Europe is headed for Eurabia. >> >> Want to save yourselves? >> >> Start here: >> >> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html >> >> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563 >> >> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/ >> >> >> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective. >> >> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, for >> you >> things get much worse than the articles above present. >> >> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you can >> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere in >> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great >> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the self-righteous, >> >> and tell the truth. >> >> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a damn >> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I >> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your welfare >> >> I am interested in. >> >> Contrast that with the derision coming from your side... >> >> DC >> >> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Hi , >>> When is the time for others? >>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so.... >>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan ,Palestina >>> .... >>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give youre >>> opinion about other poeple or country. >>> Remember Hiroshima and others. >>> I'm curieus about the reactions. >>> Happy new year!!! >>> >>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he saw >>> the >>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>>> >>>> >>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >>>> >>Pot calling kettle? Your lack of respect for anyone who disagrees with you politically is clear in this post and even in some of your "jokes." It's odd, because you're not a dumb guy. We're all free to have our opinions, Don, even ironic self righteous grumbling about what you may perceive as self righteous grumbling. Your gear posts are generally more cogent than the talking points and ad hominem stances you sometimes serve up in political threads, but thanks for adding your flavors to the stew. Cheers, -Jamie www.JamieKrutz.com DC wrote: > And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like you, > that Europe is headed for Eurabia. > > Want to save yourselves? > > Start here: > > http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html > > http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563 > > http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/ > > > Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective. > > Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, for > you > things get much worse than the articles above present. > > You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you can > act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere in > your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great > about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the self-righteous, > > and tell the truth. > > I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a damn > RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I > have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your welfare > > I am interested in. > > Contrast that with the derision coming from your side... > > DC > > "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Hi , >> When is the time for others? >> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so.... >> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan ,Palestina >> .... >> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give youre >> opinion about other poeple or country. >> Remember Hiroshima and others. >> I'm curieus about the reactions. >> Happy new year!!! >> >> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he saw >> the >>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>> >>> >>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >>> >Jamie, Did you read the link to the article he posted by Victor Hanson? Do you find anything there at remotely resembles reality from your point of view? Regards, Deej "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45980a4e$1@linux... > > Pot calling kettle? Your lack of respect for anyone who disagrees with you > politically is clear in this post and even in some of your "jokes." It's > odd, because you're not a dumb guy. > > We're all free to have our opinions, Don, even ironic self righteous > grumbling about what you may perceive as self righteous grumbling. > > Your gear posts are generally more cogent than the talking points and ad > hominem stances you sometimes serve up in political threads, but thanks > for adding your flavors to the stew. > > Cheers, > -Jamie > www.JamieKrutz.com > > > DC wrote: >> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like you, >> that Europe is headed for Eurabia. >> >> Want to save yourselves? >> >> Start here: >> >> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html >> >> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563 >> >> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/ >> >> >> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective. >> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, for >> you >> things get much worse than the articles above present. >> >> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you can >> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere in >> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great >> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the self-righteous, >> >> and tell the truth. >> >> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a >> damn >> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I have >> treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your welfare >> >> I am interested in. Contrast that with the derision coming from your >> side... >> >> DC >> >> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Hi , >>> When is the time for others? >>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so.... >>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan >>> ,Palestina >>> .... >>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give >>> youre >>> opinion about other poeple or country. >>> Remember Hiroshima and others. >>> I'm curieus about the reactions. >>> Happy new year!!! >>> >>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he >>>> saw >>> the >>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>>> >>>> >>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >>>> >>Has anyone ever tried running Paris inside a virtual machine? I am thinking along the lines of running a WindowsME virtual machine inside WindowsXP. Would the hardware drivers pass thru? In a related question, could one use the remote control feature in XP to control a WinME/Paris box on the network? This all gets back to me wanting to run dual 22" widescreen monitors with my Paris system, but unable to find the right mix of modern/classic hardware and drivers. - Paul Artola Ellicott City, MarylandThis is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---=_linux45981209 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For the humor-impaired... ---=_linux45981209 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="saddam_hell.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="saddam_hell.jpg" [binary] HQAAAgIDAQEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAwQCBQEGBwAICf/EAEIQAAIBAwMDAgUCAwYE [binary] ---=_linux45981209--Hmmmmm............now that's some madness that is appealing to me. I don't know the answer, but I'll betcha' something like timbuktu might work for the remote scenario with a gigabit network. ;o) "Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message news:jo4gp21d421tacgnsmhdj5cmobnrf1inee@4ax.com... > Has anyone ever tried running Paris inside a virtual machine? I am > thinking along the lines of running a WindowsME virtual machine inside > WindowsXP. Would the hardware drivers pass thru? > > In a related question, could one use the remote control feature in XP > to control a WinME/Paris box on the network? > > This all gets back to me wanting to run dual 22" widescreen monitors > with my Paris system, but unable to find the right mix of > modern/classic hardware and drivers. > > - Paul Artola > Ellicott City, Maryland >Deej, I'll have time to follow Don's links tomorrow. Be glad to discuss it. Right now I'm prepping for a concert shoot with a funky horn band (woo!). Happy New Year! Stay safe and drive sober... Cheers, -Jamie www.JamieKrutz.com PS. Did you get any of this snow over there? We dodged a bullet with this last storm, only 10 inches. After several feet from last week's blizzard. DJ wrote: > Jamie, > > Did you read the link to the article he posted by Victor Hanson? Do you find > anything there at remotely resembles reality from your point of view? > > Regards, > > Deej > > > > "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45980a4e$1@linux... >> Pot calling kettle? Your lack of respect for anyone who disagrees with you >> politically is clear in this post and even in some of your "jokes." It's >> odd, because you're not a dumb guy. >> >> We're all free to have our opinions, Don, even ironic self righteous >> grumbling about what you may perceive as self righteous grumbling. >> >> Your gear posts are generally more cogent than the talking points and ad >> hominem stances you sometimes serve up in political threads, but thanks >> for adding your flavors to the stew. >> >> Cheers, >> -Jamie >> www.JamieKrutz.com >> >> >> DC wrote: >>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like you, >>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia. >>> >>> Want to save yourselves? >>> >>> Start here: >>> >>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html >>> >>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563 >>> >>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/ >>> >>> >>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective. >>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, for >>> you >>> things get much worse than the articles above present. >>> >>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you can >>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere in >>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great >>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the self-righteous, >>> >>> and tell the truth. >>> >>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a >>> damn >>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I have >>> treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your welfare >>> >>> I am interested in. Contrast that with the derision coming from your >>> side... >>> >>> DC >>> >>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> Hi , >>>> When is the time for others? >>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so.... >>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan >>>> ,Palestina >>>> .... >>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give >>>> youre >>>> opinion about other poeple or country. >>>> Remember Hiroshima and others. >>>> I'm curieus about the reactions. >>>> Happy new year!!! >>>> >>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he >>>>> saw >>>> the >>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... > >You too Jamie. We're gonna be at the Diamond Circle Theatre in Durango tonight at a big party being thrown by one of my clients. It should be fun. I could use some fun right about now. ;o) "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4598167a$1@linux... > > Deej, I'll have time to follow Don's links tomorrow. Be glad to discuss > it. Right now I'm prepping for a concert shoot with a funky horn band > (woo!). > > Happy New Year! Stay safe and drive sober... > > Cheers, > -Jamie > www.JamieKrutz.com > > PS. Did you get any of this snow over there? We dodged a bullet with this > last storm, only 10 inches. After several feet from last week's blizzard. > > > DJ wrote: >> Jamie, >> >> Did you read the link to the article he posted by Victor Hanson? Do you >> find anything there at remotely resembles reality from your point of >> view? >> >> Regards, >> >> Deej >> >> >> >> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message >> news:45980a4e$1@linux... >>> Pot calling kettle? Your lack of respect for anyone who disagrees with >>> you politically is clear in this post and even in some of your "jokes." >>> It's odd, because you're not a dumb guy. >>> >>> We're all free to have our opinions, Don, even ironic self righteous >>> grumbling about what you may perceive as self righteous grumbling. >>> >>> Your gear posts are generally more cogent than the talking points and ad >>> hominem stances you sometimes serve up in political threads, but thanks >>> for adding your flavors to the stew. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> -Jamie >>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>> >>> >>> DC wrote: >>>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like >>>> you, >>>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia. >>>> >>>> Want to save yourselves? >>>> >>>> Start here: >>>> >>>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html >>>> >>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563 >>>> >>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective. >>>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, >>>> for >>>> you >>>> things get much worse than the articles above present. >>>> >>>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you >>>> can >>>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere >>>> in >>>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great >>>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the >>>> self-righteous, >>>> >>>> and tell the truth. >>>> >>>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a >>>> damn >>>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I >>>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your >>>> welfare >>>> >>>> I am interested in. Contrast that with the derision coming from your >>>> side... >>>> >>>> DC >>>> >>>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi , >>>>> When is the time for others? >>>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so.... >>>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan >>>>> ,Palestina >>>>> .... >>>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give >>>>> youre >>>>> opinion about other poeple or country. >>>>> Remember Hiroshima and others. >>>>> I'm curieus about the reactions. >>>>> Happy new year!!! >>>>> >>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he >>>>>> saw >>>>> the >>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >>Don, do you have two tongues or are you just talking with two?;-) Hmmm... Victor Hanson, an American professor that have his own American, "private meanings" and living well on having "official private meanings" for Americans. hmmm... Hmmm.... Bruce Bawer, a writer that moved from New York to Amsterdam in 1998, where he felt that he could live better as a gay man in a more liberal society. Writing for the most for the American people about us Europeans. Hmmm... Hmmm... Christopher Hitchens, an English journalist that's now living in Washington D.C.. A man that was ultrared 'till the years of '90, when the Soviet Union system collapsed. Maybe he have a little chameleon inside his body? ...hmmm... And you mean these people are serving the truth about the whole world outside America? Hmmm... interesting... But now it's time for the coming year. Get a great NewYear night Don and come well into the coming Year. Erling "DC" <dc@spammersinzztop.com> skrev i melding news:45980771$1@linux... > > I hate no one. > > DC > > John <no@no.com> wrote: >>It's a lot easier to just hate than it is to have an intelligent >>conversation. >> >>DC wrote: >>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like you, >>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia. >>> >>> Want to save yourselves? >>> >>> Start here: >>> >>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html >>> >>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563 >>> >>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/ >>> >>> >>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective. >>> >>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, for >>> you >>> things get much worse than the articles above present. >>> >>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you > can >>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere > in >>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great >>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the self-righteous, >>> >>> and tell the truth. >>> >>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a > damn >>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I >>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your >>> welfare >>> >>> I am interested in. >>> >>> Contrast that with the derision coming from your side... >>> >>> DC >>> >>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> Hi , >>>> When is the time for others? >>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so.... >>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan >>>> ,Palestina >>>> .... >>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give > youre >>>> opinion about other poeple or country. >>>> Remember Hiroshima and others. >>>> I'm curieus about the reactions. >>>> Happy new year!!! >>>> >>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he > saw >>>> the >>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >>>>> >>> >That's what I expected, but I thought I should make the attempt anyway. You cannot engage the ideas so you try to marginalize the writers. Like I said earlier. Pathetic DC "erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote: >Don, do you have two tongues or are you just talking with two?;-) > >Hmmm... Victor Hanson, an American professor that have his own American, >"private meanings" and living well on having "official private meanings" for >Americans. hmmm... >Hmmm.... Bruce Bawer, a writer that moved from New York to Amsterdam in >1998, where he felt that he could live better as a gay man in a more liberal >society. Writing for the most for the American people about us Europeans. >Hmmm... >Hmmm... Christopher Hitchens, an English journalist that's now living in >Washington D.C.. A man that was ultrared 'till the years of '90, when the >Soviet Union system collapsed. Maybe he have a little chameleon inside his >body? ...hmmm... > >And you mean these people are serving the truth about the whole world >outside America? Hmmm... interesting... > >But now it's time for the coming year. Get a great NewYear night Don and >come well into the coming Year. > >Erling > >"DC" <dc@spammersinzztop.com> skrev i melding news:45980771$1@linux... >> >> I hate no one. >> >> DC >> >> John <no@no.com> wrote: >>>It's a lot easier to just hate than it is to have an intelligent >>>conversation. >>> >>>DC wrote: >>>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like you, >>>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia. >>>> >>>> Want to save yourselves? >>>> >>>> Start here: >>>> >>>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html >>>> >>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563 >>>> >>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective. >>>> >>>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, for >>>> you >>>> things get much worse than the articles above present. >>>> >>>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you >> can >>>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere >> in >>>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great >>>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the self-righteous, >>>> >>>> and tell the truth. >>>> >>>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a >> damn >>>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I >>>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your >>>> welfare >>>> >>>> I am interested in. >>>> >>>> Contrast that with the derision coming from your side... >>>> >>>> DC >>>> >>>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi , >>>>> When is the time for others? >>>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so.... >>>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan >>>>> ,Palestina >>>>> .... >>>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give >> youre >>>>> opinion about other poeple or country. >>>>> Remember Hiroshima and others. >>>>> I'm curieus about the reactions. >>>>> Happy new year!!! >>>>> >>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he >> saw >>>>> the >>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >>>>>> >>>> >> > >haven't tried that but the architecture as I understand it wouldn't allow VM to run hardware. AA "Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message news:jo4gp21d421tacgnsmhdj5cmobnrf1inee@4ax.com... > Has anyone ever tried running Paris inside a virtual machine? I am > thinking along the lines of running a WindowsME virtual machine inside > WindowsXP. Would the hardware drivers pass thru? > > In a related question, could one use the remote control feature in XP > to control a WinME/Paris box on the network? > > This all gets back to me wanting to run dual 22" widescreen monitors > with my Paris system, but unable to find the right mix of > modern/classic hardware and drivers. > > - Paul Artola > Ellicott City, Maryland >For rehearsals for my 50th bash I used a laptop loaded with VPN to control Paris in my mixing room via a LAN cable and I have also used a wireless router successfully...the response was a tad sluggish but it was functional. Don "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:45982117@linux... > haven't tried that but the architecture as I understand it wouldn't allow > VM to run hardware. > AA > > > "Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:jo4gp21d421tacgnsmhdj5cmobnrf1inee@4ax.com... >> Has anyone ever tried running Paris inside a virtual machine? I am >> thinking along the lines of running a WindowsME virtual machine inside >> WindowsXP. Would the hardware drivers pass thru? >> >> In a related question, could one use the remote control feature in XP >> to control a WinME/Paris box on the network? >> >> This all gets back to me wanting to run dual 22" widescreen monitors >> with my Paris system, but unable to find the right mix of >> modern/classic hardware and drivers. >> >> - Paul Artola >> Ellicott City, Maryland >> > >Hi Erling.....just a thought. Perhaps these writers have a more realistic and objective perspective on certain things than Europeans do who cannot detach from the reality that they are immersed in on a daily basis and which they have so heavily invested themselves. Any society (includin ours, of course) can wear blinders and I try to listen to others thoughts and opinions, often find validity and always find food for thought in things that you say and even the insanity of Bunelrants. I hope that the scenario that Hanson describes is less of a reality than it would appear, but I personally think, from what I have seen in the American and international press and from what I know of history, that there is a "lot" of truth to it. Anyway, I respect you and though we disagree sometimes, I hope you have a happy new year and that you make a lot of good music in 2007. ;o) Deej "erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote in message news:45981d97@linux... > Don, do you have two tongues or are you just talking with two?;-) > > Hmmm... Victor Hanson, an American professor that have his own American, > "private meanings" and living well on having "official private meanings" > for Americans. hmmm... > Hmmm.... Bruce Bawer, a writer that moved from New York to Amsterdam in > 1998, where he felt that he could live better as a gay man in a more > liberal society. Writing for the most for the American people about us > Europeans. Hmmm... > Hmmm... Christopher Hitchens, an English journalist that's now living in > Washington D.C.. A man that was ultrared 'till the years of '90, when the > Soviet Union system collapsed. Maybe he have a little chameleon inside his > body? ...hmmm... > > And you mean these people are serving the truth about the whole world > outside America? Hmmm... interesting... > > But now it's time for the coming year. Get a great NewYear night Don and > come well into the coming Year. > > Erling > > "DC" <dc@spammersinzztop.com> skrev i melding news:45980771$1@linux... >> >> I hate no one. >> >> DC >> >> John <no@no.com> wrote: >>>It's a lot easier to just hate than it is to have an intelligent >>>conversation. >>> >>>DC wrote: >>>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like >>>> you, >>>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia. >>>> >>>> Want to save yourselves? >>>> >>>> Start here: >>>> >>>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html >>>> >>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563 >>>> >>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective. >>>> >>>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, >>>> for >>>> you >>>> things get much worse than the articles above present. >>>> >>>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you >> can >>>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere >> in >>>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great >>>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the >>>> self-righteous, >>>> >>>> and tell the truth. >>>> >>>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a >> damn >>>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I >>>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your >>>> welfare >>>> >>>> I am interested in. >>>> >>>> Contrast that with the derision coming from your side... >>>> >>>> DC >>>> >>>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi , >>>>> When is the time for others? >>>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so.... >>>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan >>>>> ,Palestina >>>>> .... >>>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give >> youre >>>>> opinion about other poeple or country. >>>>> Remember Hiroshima and others. >>>>> I'm curieus about the reactions. >>>>> Happy new year!!! >>>>> >>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he >> saw >>>>> the >>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >>>>>> >>>> >> > >Don, I will read more on this stuff tomorrow with NewYear eyes and as good as my english permits. But different cultural eyes will allways see the world in different perspectives - as there is great differences in the old and new Testament in the way to live, hate and love. Nothing pathetic at all with that, just that I'm sceptical when someone means they have monopole on the truth with their talking and writing. Erling "DC" <dc@spammersineurpe.com> skrev i melding news:45981f7a$1@linux... > > That's what I expected, but I thought I should make the attempt > anyway. You cannot engage the ideas so you try to > marginalize the writers. > > Like I said earlier. Pathetic > > DC > > > > > "erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote: >>Don, do you have two tongues or are you just talking with two?;-) >> >>Hmmm... Victor Hanson, an American professor that have his own American, > >>"private meanings" and living well on having "official private meanings" > for >>Americans. hmmm... >>Hmmm.... Bruce Bawer, a writer that moved from New York to Amsterdam in > >>1998, where he felt that he could live better as a gay man in a more >>liberal > >>society. Writing for the most for the American people about us Europeans. > >>Hmmm... >>Hmmm... Christopher Hitchens, an English journalist that's now living in > >>Washington D.C.. A man that was ultrared 'till the years of '90, when the > >>Soviet Union system collapsed. Maybe he have a little chameleon inside his > >>body? ...hmmm... >> >>And you mean these people are serving the truth about the whole world >>outside America? Hmmm... interesting... >> >>But now it's time for the coming year. Get a great NewYear night Don and > >>come well into the coming Year. >> >>Erling >> >>"DC" <dc@spammersinzztop.com> skrev i melding news:45980771$1@linux... >>> >>> I hate no one. >>> >>> DC >>> >>> John <no@no.com> wrote: >>>>It's a lot easier to just hate than it is to have an intelligent >>>>conversation. >>>> >>>>DC wrote: >>>>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like > you, >>>>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia. >>>>> >>>>> Want to save yourselves? >>>>> >>>>> Start here: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html >>>>> >>>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563 >>>>> >>>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective. >>>>> >>>>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, > for >>>>> you >>>>> things get much worse than the articles above present. >>>>> >>>>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you >>> can >>>>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere >>> in >>>>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so >>>>> great >>>>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the >>>>> self-righteous, >>>>> >>>>> and tell the truth. >>>>> >>>>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have > a >>> damn >>>>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I >>>>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your > >>>>> welfare >>>>> >>>>> I am interested in. >>>>> >>>>> Contrast that with the derision coming from your side... >>>>> >>>>> DC >>>>> >>>>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi , >>>>>> When is the time for others? >>>>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so.... >>>>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan >>>>>> ,Palestina >>>>>> .... >>>>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give >>> youre >>>>>> opinion about other poeple or country. >>>>>> Remember Hiroshima and others. >>>>>> I'm curieus about the reactions. >>>>>> Happy new year!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when > he >>> saw >>>>>> the >>>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >>>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> >Hi Doug... I don't saying anything abouth what's true or not, just that I'm really sceptical when the writings are being the same as having monopole on the truth in clean black and white, without any other colors at all. There are problems in Europe too but it seems that a good dialoge between the tops of different cultures are making good results, as here in Norway. The Gouvernment, Church and Muslims have had plenty of meetings here and have done and is doing something with the problems. But we're just a little land and small enough to "know the new neighbours" and small enough to learn someting with and about them. Get a Great New Year too, with all you're doing. Erling "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> skrev i melding news:45982938@linux... > Hi Erling.....just a thought. Perhaps these writers have a more realistic > and objective perspective on certain things than Europeans do who cannot > detach from the reality that they are immersed in on a daily basis and > which they have so heavily invested themselves. Any society (includin > ours, of course) can wear blinders and I try to listen to others thoughts > and opinions, often find validity and always find food for thought in > things that you say and even the insanity of Bunelrants. I hope that the > scenario that Hanson describes is less of a reality than it would appear, > but I personally think, from what I have seen in the American and > international press and from what I know of history, that there is a "lot" > of truth to it. Anyway, I respect you and though we disagree sometimes, I > hope you have a happy new year and that you make a lot of good music in > 2007. > > ;o) > > Deej > > "erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote in message news:45981d97@linux... >> Don, do you have two tongues or are you just talking with two?;-) >> >> Hmmm... Victor Hanson, an American professor that have his own American, >> "private meanings" and living well on having "official private meanings" >> for Americans. hmmm... >> Hmmm.... Bruce Bawer, a writer that moved from New York to Amsterdam in >> 1998, where he felt that he could live better as a gay man in a more >> liberal society. Writing for the most for the American people about us >> Europeans. Hmmm... >> Hmmm... Christopher Hitchens, an English journalist that's now living in >> Washington D.C.. A man that was ultrared 'till the years of '90, when the >> Soviet Union system collapsed. Maybe he have a little chameleon inside >> his body? ...hmmm... >> >> And you mean these people are serving the truth about the whole world >> outside America? Hmmm... interesting... >> >> But now it's time for the coming year. Get a great NewYear night Don and >> come well into the coming Year. >> >> Erling >> >> "DC" <dc@spammersinzztop.com> skrev i melding news:45980771$1@linux... >>> >>> I hate no one. >>> >>> DC >>> >>> John <no@no.com> wrote: >>>>It's a lot easier to just hate than it is to have an intelligent >>>>conversation. >>>> >>>>DC wrote: >>>>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like >>>>> you, >>>>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia. >>>>> >>>>> Want to save yourselves? >>>>> >>>>> Start here: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html >>>>> >>>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563 >>>>> >>>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective. >>>>> >>>>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, >>>>> for >>>>> you >>>>> things get much worse than the articles above present. >>>>> >>>>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you >>> can >>>>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere >>> in >>>>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so >>>>> great >>>>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the >>>>> self-righteous, >>>>> >>>>> and tell the truth. >>>>> >>>>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a >>> damn >>>>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I >>>>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your >>>>> welfare >>>>> >>>>> I am interested in. >>>>> >>>>> Contrast that with the derision coming from your side... >>>>> >>>>> DC >>>>> >>>>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi , >>>>>> When is the time for others? >>>>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so.... >>>>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan >>>>>> ,Palestina >>>>>> .... >>>>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give >>> youre >>>>>> opinion about other poeple or country. >>>>>> Remember Hiroshima and others. >>>>>> I'm curieus about the reactions. >>>>>> Happy new year!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he >>> saw >>>>>> the >>>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >>>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> > >To say there is no monopoly on the truth is not the same is saying there is no truth. If these people and many others are right, Europe is on the verge of the next kristallnacht, and has no ability to save itself. This is what drives my sharing of these things. Not to argue, nor to meet interesting people pretending to be trolls... (grin) When I went through the holocaust museum here, the last portion of the tour is to place all of us in a reproduction gas chamber. I was quite offended at the melodrama of this "stunt" as I felt it was, but once the hissing and special FX were over, I was really, really angry, because the chamber made us into things to be killed, not people, and no one had prevented it from happening in the real world. A little old man with a concentration camp tattoo on his arm came up and asked if we believed this could happen again in Europe. Most of the people raised their hands. Then he asked if we thought it could happen here in America. Most of the same hands went up. Mine and one other man's did not. He called out to us and asked "why not?" And I said "because I will rise up and take the life of anyone who tries to do such a thing in our country". I saw the other man shake his head in agreement. Well, honestly I expected a lecture in peace and how violence just makes more violence. Then the man with the concentration camp tattoo pointed to me, and in a loud voice said: "If it does not happen in America, HERE is the reason why", there is no other". And so, here I am doing my best. At minimum, those who disagree can do so in a civil manner, but no, derision is always the weapon of choice when finds oneself without ammo in the fight of our lives... just a thought.... DC "erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote: >Don, I will read more on this stuff tomorrow with NewYear eyes and as good >as my english permits. But different cultural eyes will allways see the >world in different perspectives - as there is great differences in the old >and new Testament in the way to live, hate and love. Nothing pathetic at all >with that, just that I'm sceptical when someone means they have monopole on >the truth with their talking and writing. > >Erling > > >"DC" <dc@spammersineurpe.com> skrev i melding news:45981f7a$1@linux... >> >> That's what I expected, but I thought I should make the attempt >> anyway. You cannot engage the ideas so you try to >> marginalize the writers. >> >> Like I said earlier. Pathetic >> >> DC >> >> >> >> >> "erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote: >>>Don, do you have two tongues or are you just talking with two?;-) >>> >>>Hmmm... Victor Hanson, an American professor that have his own American, >> >>>"private meanings" and living well on having "official private meanings" >> for >>>Americans. hmmm... >>>Hmmm.... Bruce Bawer, a writer that moved from New York to Amsterdam in >> >>>1998, where he felt that he could live better as a gay man in a more >>>liberal >> >>>society. Writing for the most for the American people about us Europeans. >> >>>Hmmm... >>>Hmmm... Christopher Hitchens, an English journalist that's now living in >> >>>Washington D.C.. A man that was ultrared 'till the years of '90, when the >> >>>Soviet Union system collapsed. Maybe he have a little chameleon inside his >> >>>body? ...hmmm... >>> >>>And you mean these people are serving the truth about the whole world >>>outside America? Hmmm... interesting... >>> >>>But now it's time for the coming year. Get a great NewYear night Don and >> >>>come well into the coming Year. >>> >>>Erling >>> >>>"DC" <dc@spammersinzztop.com> skrev i melding news:45980771$1@linux... >>>> >>>> I hate no one. >>>> >>>> DC >>>> >>>> John <no@no.com> wrote: >>>>>It's a lot easier to just hate than it is to have an intelligent >>>>>conversation. >>>>> >>>>>DC wrote: >>>>>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like >> you, >>>>>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia. >>>>>> >>>>>> Want to save yourselves? >>>>>> >>>>>> Start here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563 >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective. >>>>>> >>>>>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, >> for >>>>>> you >>>>>> things get much worse than the articles above present. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you >>>> can >>>>>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere >>>> in >>>>>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so >>>>>> great >>>>>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the >>>>>> self-righteous, >>>>>> >>>>>> and tell the truth. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have >> a >>>> damn >>>>>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I >>>>>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your >> >>>>>> welfare >>>>>> >>>>>> I am interested in. >>>>>> >>>>>> Contrast that with the derision coming from your side... >>>>>> >>>>>> DC >>>>>> >>>>>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi , >>>>>>> When is the time for others? >>>>>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so.... >>>>>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan >>>>>>> ,Palestina >>>>>>> .... >>>>>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give >>>> youre >>>>>>> opinion about other poeple or country. >>>>>>> Remember Hiroshima and others. >>>>>>> I'm curieus about the reactions. >>>>>>> Happy new year!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when >> he >>>> saw >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > >Oh, and have a great News Eve, Erling, and hopefully we will all live in more peaceful times in 2007. DCThis is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---=_linux459834df Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://apnews.myway.com/article/20061231/D8MC0A4G0.html ---=_linux459834df Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="AUSTRALIA_NEW_YEAR_S_EVE.sff_XMB127_20061231082801.jpg " Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="AUSTRALIA_NEW_YEAR_S_EVE.sff_XMB127_20061231082801.jpg " [binary] HQAAAAcBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIDBAUGBwEICf/EAEwQAAIBAwMCAwYDBQUH [binary] FAAoUKFAAoUKFAArtcoUAChQoUAChQoUAChQoUAChQoUAChQoUAChQoUACuj [binary] KQAoUKFAAoUKFAAoUKFAAoUKFAAoUKFAAoUKFAAoUKFAAoUKFAAoUKFAAoUK [binary] FAAoUKFAAoUKFAAoUKFAAoUKFAAoUKFAAoUKFAAoUKFAAoUKFAAoUKFAAoUK [binary] ---=_linux459834df--Childish. What's all the red stuff? Oh, it's a lake of fire. Oy! For pity's sake. The Islamists have some bizarre ideas about the afterlife,...virgins and whatnot..., but a lake of fire? Primitive desert religions, as one of our colleagues has remarked. Primitive. Anyway, you enjoy your weenie roast, if it comforts you. There really wasn't that much else, re Iraq, to write home about this year,was there? Oh, there was Zarqawi as well, of course. Anybody remember him? Anybody? Anybody? "DC" <dc@spammersinlalaland.com> wrote: > > > >For the humor-impaired...We might be discussing two different things.. you're talking about Virtual Private Networking, and Paul is talking about a Virtual Machine installation (basically, an OS installed inside of another OS for testing purposes that share the same computer at the same time)... AA "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45982837@linux... > For rehearsals for my 50th bash I used a laptop loaded with VPN to control > Paris in my mixing room via a LAN cable and I have also used a wireless > router successfully...the response was a tad sluggish but it was > functional. > > Don > > > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message > news:45982117@linux... >> haven't tried that but the architecture as I understand it wouldn't allow >> VM to run hardware. >> AA >> >> >> "Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:jo4gp21d421tacgnsmhdj5cmobnrf1inee@4ax.com... >>> Has anyone ever tried running Paris inside a virtual machine? I am >>> thinking along the lines of running a WindowsME virtual machine inside >>> WindowsXP. Would the hardware drivers pass thru? >>> >>> In a related question, could one use the remote control feature in XP >>> to control a WinME/Paris box on the network? >>> >>> This all gets back to me wanting to run dual 22" widescreen monitors >>> with my Paris system, but unable to find the right mix of >>> modern/classic hardware and drivers. >>> >>> - Paul Artola >>> Ellicott City, Maryland >>> >> >> > >I remember the French made surface to air missiles that killed our US aviators that were found in Iraq and had a manufacturing date of June 2003. I'm also one American that is never going to forget it. Fuck France! By the way, did I mention I'm part french. James "bunuel" <bunuel@conair.fr> wrote: > >Childish. >What's all the red stuff? Oh, it's a lake of fire. Oy! For pity's sake. The >Islamists have some bizarre ideas about the afterlife,...virgins and whatnot..., >but a lake of fire? Primitive desert religions, as one of our colleagues >has remarked. Primitive. > >Anyway, you enjoy your weenie roast, if it comforts you. There really wasn't >that much else, re Iraq, to write home about this year,was there? Oh, there >was Zarqawi as well, of course. Anybody remember him? Anybody? Anybody? > > > > >"DC" <dc@spammersinlalaland.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>For the humor-impaired... >I thought about this & said "yeah, perhaps they're right"; then it occurred to me - he's hearing this on LOTS of different stuff, he's saying... the chances of ALL those different tracks across all those different genres using an exciter on the snare are pretty slim - besides, the Aphex exciters work up to the 7k range, max, & the BBE's even lower than that, IIRC. Are the plugin exciters that go higher into the range he's talking about? I'm still leaning towards a room or reverb thing. Gantt-Man... you figure out this snare thing yet? I'm curious. Neil "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >That's what I would've bet too. >-- >Martin Harrington >www.lendanear-sound.com > >"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message >news:459691c4$1@linux... >> You're probably listening to an aural exciter of some kind I'd bet, >> perhaps even a verb high pass tuned to those freq's. >> >> AA >> >> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:45968298$1@linux... >>> >>> I listen to contemporary CD's - jazz, rock, R&B, C&W, you name it - and >>> hear >>> beautiful, bright snare drums that make my RTA bounce around in the 16K - >>> 20K range. I can't make that happen without a ton of EQ. I usually use >>> a Crown CM-200 (electret condenser, kinda like an SM-57, but flatter and >>> cleaner to my ear) on snare, but I've tried a Neumann KM-84 and I still >>> need to crank the EQ to get that sound. Is that just what it takes? Are >>> there snare drums that naturally generate higher harmonics than most? Is >>> it something to do w/ the drum head? I've had the priviledge of >>> recording >>> some pretty great drummers, but I still need to reach for the EQ to get >>> THAT snare sound! >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! >>> >>> Gantt >> >> > >Another thing that might be... leakage from a gate. This could be in the form of cymbal bleed into the snare (furthered by hitting a verb when it opens) or possibly just so much compression that it's causing a hiss when the snare gate opens? W/O hearing what you're hearing Gantt, I'd only be able to guess. AA "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45984b03$1@linux... > > I thought about this & said "yeah, perhaps they're right"; then > it occurred to me - he's hearing this on LOTS of different > stuff, he's saying... the chances of ALL those different tracks > across all those different genres using an exciter on the snare > are pretty slim - besides, the Aphex exciters work up to the 7k > range, max, & the BBE's even lower than that, IIRC. Are the > plugin exciters that go higher into the range he's talking > about? > > I'm still leaning towards a room or reverb thing. > > Gantt-Man... you figure out this snare thing yet? I'm curious. > > Neil > > > "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >>That's what I would've bet too. >>-- >>Martin Harrington >>www.lendanear-sound.com >> >>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message >>news:459691c4$1@linux... >>> You're probably listening to an aural exciter of some kind I'd bet, >>> perhaps even a verb high pass tuned to those freq's. >>> >>> AA >>> >>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message >>> news:45968298$1@linux... >>>> >>>> I listen to contemporary CD's - jazz, rock, R&B, C&W, you name it - and > >>>> hear >>>> beautiful, bright snare drums that make my RTA bounce around in the 16K > - >>>> 20K range. I can't make that happen without a ton of EQ. I usually > use >>>> a Crown CM-200 (electret condenser, kinda like an SM-57, but flatter > and >>>> cleaner to my ear) on snare, but I've tried a Neumann KM-84 and I >>>> still >>>> need to crank the EQ to get that sound. Is that just what it takes? > Are >>>> there snare drums that naturally generate higher harmonics than most? > Is >>>> it something to do w/ the drum head? I've had the priviledge of >>>> recording >>>> some pretty great drummers, but I still need to reach for the EQ to > get >>>> THAT snare sound! >>>> >>>> Any thoughts? >>>> >>>> Thanks, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! >>>> >>>> Gantt >>> >>> >> >> >Your attitude is illogical in a capitalist society, my friend. It's not about France. France didn't make the missiles and the French army didn't fire them. They were made by a French multinational, which is an entirely different thing. It's about war profiteering. During the invasion of Europe, in 1944, American GIs were astonished, having overrun Wehrmacht positions, to discover GM trucks in the abandoned motor pools. General Motors! Trucks that were used to help in the blowing to bits of American soldiers. So, do I hear "Fuck America"? Go ahead, you can say it. How long is it gonna take you jingoist 'patriots' to wake up and figure this out? You are being played for fools by your overclass. By the way, I am not French. I live in Poughkeepsie. "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: > >I remember the French made surface to air missiles that killed our US aviators >that were found in Iraq and had a manufacturing date of June 2003. I'm also >one American that is never going to forget it. Fuck France! > >By the way, did I mention I'm part french. > >James > >"bunuel" <bunuel@conair.fr> wrote: >> >>Childish. >>What's all the red stuff? Oh, it's a lake of fire. Oy! For pity's sake. >The >>Islamists have some bizarre ideas about the afterlife,...virgins and whatnot..., >>but a lake of fire? Primitive desert religions, as one of our colleagues >>has remarked. Primitive. >> >>Anyway, you enjoy your weenie roast, if it comforts you. There really wasn't >>that much else, re Iraq, to write home about this year,was there? Oh, there >>was Zarqawi as well, of course. Anybody remember him? Anybody? Anybody? > >> >> >> >> >>"DC" <dc@spammersinlalaland.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>For the humor-impaired... >> >James, what does this shows? How much have the weapon industry sold around the world, just to make great money? It's not only French made weapons and we all know weapons are made for destroying and killing. Nearly all the lands are selling weapons, also Norway - to land that should not have any weapons at all. The US aviators could also have been killed by American weapon, since America too have sold plenty to the East. It's just the same story as in the first and second worldwar. Someone are making big money when there is conflicts in the world. And by the way, if a land is being attacked, don't they have the rights to defend themself? Over 3000 Americans have now being killed in Iraq, by weapons sold from the whole world. But how many Iraq's have been killed, for the most by western weapons? There isn't much talk about this in the western world at all - that some hundred of thousands of them have been killed in their own country. Are we just thinking of them as bastards or what? And what about the behavings when most of the East was being colonized by Europeans some hundred years ago, before America was a nation at all, with people coming from the whole world? And what about Western promises after the second worldwar in the East, that never, ever any western country involved was living up to? So we can ask us self - why have hate so great chances to grow so big that someone are doing something with it like 11 September? Maybe we can see a form for answers in Western behavings in the East the last hundred of years? We are one and a half hour into the NewYear here, so a Happy year to you to James. Erling "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i melding news:459843e2$1@linux... > > I remember the French made surface to air missiles that killed our US > aviators > that were found in Iraq and had a manufacturing date of June 2003. I'm > also > one American that is never going to forget it. Fuck France! > > By the way, did I mention I'm part french. > > James > > "bunuel" <bunuel@conair.fr> wrote: >> >>Childish. >>What's all the red stuff? Oh, it's a lake of fire. Oy! For pity's sake. > The >>Islamists have some bizarre ideas about the afterlife,...virgins and >>whatnot..., >>but a lake of fire? Primitive desert religions, as one of our colleagues >>has remarked. Primitive. >> >>Anyway, you enjoy your weenie roast, if it comforts you. There really >>wasn't >>that much else, re Iraq, to write home about this year,was there? Oh, >>there >>was Zarqawi as well, of course. Anybody remember him? Anybody? Anybody? > >> >> >> >> >>"DC" <dc@spammersinlalaland.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>For the humor-impaired... >> >Actually, I am considering both the VM and VPN solutions. Basically, I want to run Paris on a WindowsME box but have dual 22" widescreen (1680x1050@60Hz) displays. The mofo of this whole situation is that collection of parameters leads to the old pick 2 of 3 choice of: 1. Support for 1680x1050@60Hz; 2. AGP card; 3. WindowsME drivers. What really got me wondering about the VM solution is my Muse Receptor - a linux computer running a Windows virtually to play VST and VSTi. The Windows VM can see the audio hardware in the box, and all this is running extremely efficiently and with no (essentially) latency. Like so many here, I am not ready to cash in my Paris chips, but I am hanging on by the fingernails! - Paul Artola Ellicott City, Maryland On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:48:20 -0600, "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: >We might be discussing two different things.. you're talking about Virtual >Private Networking, and Paul is talking about a Virtual Machine installation >(basically, an OS installed inside of another OS for testing purposes that >share the same computer at the same time)... > >AA > > >"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45982837@linux... >> For rehearsals for my 50th bash I used a laptop loaded with VPN to control >> Paris in my mixing room via a LAN cable and I have also used a wireless >> router successfully...the response was a tad sluggish but it was >> functional. >> >> Don >> >> >> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message >> news:45982117@linux... >>> haven't tried that but the architecture as I understand it wouldn't allow >>> VM to run hardware. >>> AA >>> >>> >>> "Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message >>> news:jo4gp21d421tacgnsmhdj5cmobnrf1inee@4ax.com... >>>> Has anyone ever tried running Paris inside a virtual machine? I am >>>> thinking along the lines of running a WindowsME virtual machine inside >>>> WindowsXP. Would the hardware drivers pass thru? >>>> >>>> In a related question, could one use the remote control feature in XP >>>> to control a WinME/Paris box on the network? >>>> >>>> This all gets back to me wanting to run dual 22" widescreen monitors >>>> with my Paris system, but unable to find the right mix of >>>> modern/classic hardware and drivers. >>>> >>>> - Paul Artola >>>> Ellicott City, Maryland >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >....As we know, grandpa Bush was doing great money with Hitler in America in the second worldwar... .....as we know Pa and xpresident Bush are doing great money in the weapon industry.. .....and as we know, the familyapple have met some big problems in Iraq and the global heating that he can't see or understand... ....isn't there a word in all kind of a familyindustry, that the third generation is destroying it all?.... ....hmmm, it's not a good way to start a new year with these kind of thinking.... hmmmmmmm.... ....let me think positive and send some NewYear-SMS to family and friends in Scandinavia... ....now I'm going to sleep in the first new day of the year.... Seeye all....... "bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> skrev i melding news:459850b5$1@linux... > > Your attitude is illogical in a capitalist society, my friend. It's not > about > France. France didn't make the missiles and the French army didn't fire > them. > They were made by a French multinational, which is an entirely different > thing. It's about war profiteering. > During the invasion of Europe, in 1944, American GIs were astonished, > having > overrun Wehrmacht positions, to discover GM trucks in the abandoned motor > pools. General Motors! Trucks that were used to help in the blowing to > bits > of American soldiers. So, do I hear "Fuck America"? Go ahead, you can say > it. > How long is it gonna take you jingoist 'patriots' to wake up and figure > this > out? You are being played for fools by your overclass. > > By the way, I am not French. I live in Poughkeepsie. > > > > "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>I remember the French made surface to air missiles that killed our US >>aviators >>that were found in Iraq and had a manufacturing date of June 2003. I'm > also >>one American that is never going to forget it. Fuck France! >> >>By the way, did I mention I'm part french. >> >>James >> >>"bunuel" <bunuel@conair.fr> wrote: >>> >>>Childish. >>>What's all the red stuff? Oh, it's a lake of fire. Oy! For pity's sake. >>The >>>Islamists have some bizarre ideas about the afterlife,...virgins and >>>whatnot..., >>>but a lake of fire? Primitive desert religions, as one of our colleagues >>>has remarked. Primitive. >>> >>>Anyway, you enjoy your weenie roast, if it comforts you. There really >>>wasn't >>>that much else, re Iraq, to write home about this year,was there? Oh, >>>there >>>was Zarqawi as well, of course. Anybody remember him? Anybody? Anybody? >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>"DC" <dc@spammersinlalaland.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>For the humor-impaired... >>> >> >Remember that scene in the first Star Wars where Han Yo-Yo is getting the Millennium Falcon ready to take Whiny Luke and Slinky Leia of to see, well, something important I forget now. Or maybe Slinky Leia wasn't there yet, it was just the Whiny Luke and Whiny C3P0 and Perky Little R2 at that point. Anyway, in a very slapstick moment that was sadly missing from the later Star Wars movies, Harrison Ford as Yo-Yo is all talking up his ship up like it's the most BALLING thing ever and it did the something or another run while making parsec tea and all. So they're finally ready to go and fight the Greatest Battle in History of the Galaxy but first they have to hire Yo-Yo to taxi them there 'cause they don't have any money and they live on this shitstorm little backwater planet that's like the Kearney, Nebraska of the galaxy and the best they can find to get them to the Greatest Battle in the History of the Galaxy is this shady drug/gun/whatever runner they met in a bar. So Yo-Yo jumps in the pilot seat and flips a bunch of switches and fires up his shitty jalopy of a Millennium Falcon and it makes all of these cool noises and beeps and the engines start to whine and the lights are all flashing and then it goes BBBBBBRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMPPP and all the lights turn off? Well, that's kind of how I feel getting my studio up and running again, expect of course that I don't have any androids in my house or a Wookie either, which is probably good because I have a cat and if he could beat me at chess like a Wookie could well, screw me I'd have to give him tuna fish EVERY DAY. All of which is to say that I was getting out my bass to start working on a couple tracks on my fancy new Millennium Falcon DAW and . . . my SansAMP Bass DI has gone to the great DI hereafter where I'm sure at this moment it's covorting with it's bass DI family in eternal bottom crunching bliss. Now then, I'm a dub/reggae/electronica guy so I'm EXTREMELY picky about bass sounds, and most of the time I like to actually play them. I can program a bass line but bass needs to be one of the really organic sounds in the kind of music I make which can sound very non-organic at times. Here's what I liked about the SansAMP. - it was happy to work with any kind of bass. It would boost the lowest output Danelectro to mixer burning levels, but happily deal with a fancy new active bass as well. - it didn't have much color on its own, but it also got everything out of the bass. That is, it didn't sound 'cool' like an Ampeg mic'ed up, but it would dutifully pass all of the frequencies coming out of the bass, at very least, and let me work with them later in the mixer with EQ and compression and so on. - but even so the EQ could be useful in many situations. - it had multiple outputs, XLRs, quarter inch, pass through, etc. Now then, I'm more than happy to just get another SansAMP but do you PARIS loving analog mixing golden ears types have suggestions for a better box to be used to plug a bass directly into a mixer or recording device? Thanks, TCBStill use my Avalon U5 all the time for bass. My favorite bass player in Nashville, Michael Rhodes, uses a U5 and a Tube Teck CL1 compressor for his main tracking rack... "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: > >Remember that scene in the first Star Wars where Han Yo-Yo is getting the >Millennium Falcon ready to take Whiny Luke and Slinky Leia of to see, well, >something important I forget now. Or maybe Slinky Leia wasn't there yet, >it was just the Whiny Luke and Whiny C3P0 and Perky Little R2 at that point. >Anyway, in a very slapstick moment that was sadly missing from the later >Star Wars movies, Harrison Ford as Yo-Yo is all talking up his ship up like >it's the most BALLING thing ever and it did the something or another run >while making parsec tea and all. So they're finally ready to go and fight >the Greatest Battle in History of the Galaxy but first they have to hire >Yo-Yo to taxi them there 'cause they don't have any money and they live on >this shitstorm little backwater planet that's like the Kearney, Nebraska >of the galaxy and the best they can find to get them to the Greatest Battle >in the History of the Galaxy is this shady drug/gun/whatever runner they >met in a bar. So Yo-Yo jumps in the pilot seat and flips a bunch of switches >and fires up his shitty jalopy of a Millennium Falcon and it makes all of >these cool noises and beeps and the engines start to whine and the lights >are all flashing and then it goes BBBBBBRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMPPP >and all the lights turn off? Well, that's kind of how I feel getting my studio >up and running again, expect of course that I don't have any androids in >my house or a Wookie either, which is probably good because I have a cat >and if he could beat me at chess like a Wookie could well, screw me I'd have >to give him tuna fish EVERY DAY. > >All of which is to say that I was getting out my bass to start working on >a couple tracks on my fancy new Millennium Falcon DAW and . . . my SansAMP >Bass DI has gone to the great DI hereafter where I'm sure at this moment >it's covorting with it's bass DI family in eternal bottom crunching bliss. >Now then, I'm a dub/reggae/electronica guy so I'm EXTREMELY picky about bass >sounds, and most of the time I like to actually play them. I can program >a bass line but bass needs to be one of the really organic sounds in the >kind of music I make which can sound very non-organic at times. Here's what >I liked about the SansAMP. > >- it was happy to work with any kind of bass. It would boost the lowest output >Danelectro to mixer burning levels, but happily deal with a fancy new active >bass as well. > >- it didn't have much color on its own, but it also got everything out of >the bass. That is, it didn't sound 'cool' like an Ampeg mic'ed up, but it >would dutifully pass all of the frequencies coming out of the bass, at very >least, and let me work with them later in the mixer with EQ and compression >and so on. > >- but even so the EQ could be useful in many situations. > >- it had multiple outputs, XLRs, quarter inch, pass through, etc. > >Now then, I'm more than happy to just get another SansAMP but do you PARIS >loving analog mixing golden ears types have suggestions for a better box >to be used to plug a bass directly into a mixer or recording device? > >Thanks, > >TCB"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: > >Remember that scene in the first Star Wars where Han Yo-Yo is getting the >Millennium Falcon ready to take Whiny Luke and Slinky Leia of to see, well, >something important I forget now. Or maybe Slinky Leia wasn't there yet, >it was just the Whiny Luke and Whiny C3P0 and Perky Little R2 at that point. >Anyway, in a very slapstick moment that was sadly missing from the later >Star Wars movies, Harrison Ford as Yo-Yo is all talking up his ship up like >it's the most BALLING thing ever and it did the something or another run >while making parsec tea and all. So they're finally ready to go and fight >the Greatest Battle in History of the Galaxy but first they have to hire >Yo-Yo to taxi them there 'cause they don't have any money and they live on >this shitstorm little backwater planet that's like the Kearney, Nebraska >of the galaxy and the best they can find to get them to the Greatest Battle >in the History of the Galaxy is this shady drug/gun/whatever runner they >met in a bar. So Yo-Yo jumps in the pilot seat and flips a bunch of switches >and fires up his shitty jalopy of a Millennium Falcon and it makes all of >these cool noises and beeps and the engines start to whine and the lights >are all flashing and then it goes BBBBBBRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMPPP >and all the lights turn off? Well, that's kind of how I feel getting my studio >up and running again, expect of course that I don't have any androids in >my house or a Wookie either, which is probably good because I have a cat >and if he could beat me at chess like a Wookie could well, screw me I'd have >to give him tuna fish EVERY DAY. > >All of which is to say that I was getting out my bass to start working on >a couple tracks on my fancy new Millennium Falcon DAW and . . . my SansAMP >Bass DI has gone to the great DI hereafter where I'm sure at this moment >it's covorting with it's bass DI family in eternal bottom crunching bliss. >Now then, I'm a dub/reggae/electronica guy so I'm EXTREMELY picky about bass >sounds, and most of the time I like to actually play them. I can program >a bass line but bass needs to be one of the really organic sounds in the >kind of music I make which can sound very non-organic at times. Here's what >I liked about the SansAMP. > >- it was happy to work with any kind of bass. It would boost the lowest output >Danelectro to mixer burning levels, but happily deal with a fancy new active >bass as well. > >- it didn't have much color on its own, but it also got everything out of >the bass. That is, it didn't sound 'cool' like an Ampeg mic'ed up, but it >would dutifully pass all of the frequencies coming out of the bass, at very >least, and let me work with them later in the mixer with EQ and compression >and so on. > >- but even so the EQ could be useful in many situations. > >- it had multiple outputs, XLRs, quarter inch, pass through, etc. > >Now then, I'm more than happy to just get another SansAMP but do you PARIS >loving analog mixing golden ears types have suggestions for a better box >to be used to plug a bass directly into a mixer or recording device? > >Thanks, > >TCB Did you try checking the battery? :) I think the Sansamp's a good one for the money, and I've got one myself; I think it'd be hard to replace with anything better for that price range, but I'm sorta interested in trying one of those Hartke BassAttack ones, too. Only Seventy bucks, and it makes me wonder if I can get that aluminum cone sound out of a DI. Neil"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote: > >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: >> >>Remember that scene in the first Star Wars where Han Yo-Yo is getting the >>Millennium Falcon ready to take Whiny Luke and Slinky Leia of to see, well, >>something important I forget now. Or maybe Slinky Leia wasn't there yet, >>it was just the Whiny Luke and Whiny C3P0 and Perky Little R2 at that point. >>Anyway, in a very slapstick moment that was sadly missing from the later >>Star Wars movies, Harrison Ford as Yo-Yo is all talking up his ship up like >>it's the most BALLING thing ever and it did the something or another run >>while making parsec tea and all. So they're finally ready to go and fight >>the Greatest Battle in History of the Galaxy but first they have to hire >>Yo-Yo to taxi them there 'cause they don't have any money and they live >on >>this shitstorm little backwater planet that's like the Kearney, Nebraska >>of the galaxy and the best they can find to get them to the Greatest Battle >>in the History of the Galaxy is this shady drug/gun/whatever runner they >>met in a bar. So Yo-Yo jumps in the pilot seat and flips a bunch of switches >>and fires up his shitty jalopy of a Millennium Falcon and it makes all of >>these cool noises and beeps and the engines start to whine and the lights >>are all flashing and then it goes BBBBBBRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMPPP >>and all the lights turn off? Well, that's kind of how I feel getting my >studio >>up and running again, expect of course that I don't have any androids in >>my house or a Wookie either, which is probably good because I have a cat >>and if he could beat me at chess like a Wookie could well, screw me I'd >have >>to give him tuna fish EVERY DAY. >> >>All of which is to say that I was getting out my bass to start working on >>a couple tracks on my fancy new Millennium Falcon DAW and . . . my SansAMP >>Bass DI has gone to the great DI hereafter where I'm sure at this moment >>it's covorting with it's bass DI family in eternal bottom crunching bliss. >>Now then, I'm a dub/reggae/electronica guy so I'm EXTREMELY picky about >bass >>sounds, and most of the time I like to actually play them. I can program >>a bass line but bass needs to be one of the really organic sounds in the >>kind of music I make which can sound very non-organic at times. Here's what >>I liked about the SansAMP. >> >>- it was happy to work with any kind of bass. It would boost the lowest >output >>Danelectro to mixer burning levels, but happily deal with a fancy new active >>bass as well. >> >>- it didn't have much color on its own, but it also got everything out of >>the bass. That is, it didn't sound 'cool' like an Ampeg mic'ed up, but it >>would dutifully pass all of the frequencies coming out of the bass, at very >>least, and let me work with them later in the mixer with EQ and compression >>and so on. >> >>- but even so the EQ could be useful in many situations. >> >>- it had multiple outputs, XLRs, quarter inch, pass through, etc. >> >>Now then, I'm more than happy to just get another SansAMP but do you PARIS >>loving analog mixing golden ears types have suggestions for a better box >>to be used to plug a bass directly into a mixer or recording device? >> >>Thanks, >> >>TCB > >Did you try checking the battery? > >:) > >I think the Sansamp's a good one for the money, and I've got >one myself; I think it'd be hard to replace with anything >better for that price range, but I'm sorta interested in trying >one of those Hartke BassAttack ones, too. Only Seventy bucks, >and it makes me wonder if I can get that aluminum cone sound >out of a DI. > >Neil Fresh battery, cleaned everything inside with contact cleaner checked to make sure the batter posts were live. But thanks for asking ;-) TCBThis might fit the bill for you, if you're into passing through what's there. Make sure you also use a good quality cable, no HOSA crap. Personally, I'm using the Monster Bass, YMMV. Try ebay to see if you can locate one of these, no idea what they're going for. If you're more into even order harmonics, you might try getting a tube pre with an instrument in. Or another SANS since you know what you had and liked it. AA "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4598663c$1@linux... > > Remember that scene in the first Star Wars where Han Yo-Yo is getting the > Millennium Falcon ready to take Whiny Luke and Slinky Leia of to see, > well, > something important I forget now. Or maybe Slinky Leia wasn't there yet, > it was just the Whiny Luke and Whiny C3P0 and Perky Little R2 at that > point. > Anyway, in a very slapstick moment that was sadly missing from the later > Star Wars movies, Harrison Ford as Yo-Yo is all talking up his ship up > like > it's the most BALLING thing ever and it did the something or another run > while making parsec tea and all. So they're finally ready to go and fight > the Greatest Battle in History of the Galaxy but first they have to hire > Yo-Yo to taxi them there 'cause they don't have any money and they live on > this shitstorm little backwater planet that's like the Kearney, Nebraska > of the galaxy and the best they can find to get them to the Greatest > Battle > in the History of the Galaxy is this shady drug/gun/whatever runner they > met in a bar. So Yo-Yo jumps in the pilot seat and flips a bunch of > switches > and fires up his shitty jalopy of a Millennium Falcon and it makes all of > these cool noises and beeps and the engines start to whine and the lights > are all flashing and then it goes > BBBBBBRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMPPP > and all the lights turn off? Well, that's kind of how I feel getting my > studio > up and running again, expect of course that I don't have any androids in > my house or a Wookie either, which is probably good because I have a cat > and if he could beat me at chess like a Wookie could well, screw me I'd > have > to give him tuna fish EVERY DAY. > > All of which is to say that I was getting out my bass to start working on > a couple tracks on my fancy new Millennium Falcon DAW and . . . my SansAMP > Bass DI has gone to the great DI hereafter where I'm sure at this moment > it's covorting with it's bass DI family in eternal bottom crunching bliss. > Now then, I'm a dub/reggae/electronica guy so I'm EXTREMELY picky about > bass > sounds, and most of the time I like to actually play them. I can program > a bass line but bass needs to be one of the really organic sounds in the > kind of music I make which can sound very non-organic at times. Here's > what > I liked about the SansAMP. > > - it was happy to work with any kind of bass. It would boost the lowest > output > Danelectro to mixer burning levels, but happily deal with a fancy new > active > bass as well. > > - it didn't have much color on its own, but it also got everything out of > the bass. That is, it didn't sound 'cool' like an Ampeg mic'ed up, but it > would dutifully pass all of the frequencies coming out of the bass, at > very > least, and let me work with them later in the mixer with EQ and > compression > and so on. > > - but even so the EQ could be useful in many situations. > > - it had multiple outputs, XLRs, quarter inch, pass through, etc. > > Now then, I'm more than happy to just get another SansAMP but do you PARIS > loving analog mixing golden ears types have suggestions for a better box > to be used to plug a bass directly into a mixer or recording device? > > Thanks, > > TCB >>I think the Sansamp's a good one for the money, and I've got >>one myself; I think it'd be hard to replace with anything >>better for that price range, but I'm sorta interested in trying >>one of those Hartke BassAttack ones, too. Only Seventy bucks, >>and it makes me wonder if I can get that aluminum cone sound >>out of a DI. >> >>Neil Neil, wouldn't a really fast preamp do about the same thing? AAPaul, Contgrats on getting the receptor. I remember chatting about that last spring. Windows ME doesn't support the RDP protocol out of the box. I have used TightVNC to control an ME box with XP. You can check it out at http://www.tightvnc.com/ It's been pretty usable for me. As far as a Virtual Machien, I had a ME VM inside of Microsofts Virtual PC, but haven't tried it with the scherzo drivers loaded. Been a while, but I think you still need ME drivers for the hardware in that product. Hope this helps, Hoov Paul Artola wrote: > Actually, I am considering both the VM and VPN solutions. Basically, I > want to run Paris on a WindowsME box but have dual 22" widescreen > (1680x1050@60Hz) displays. The mofo of this whole situation is that > collection of parameters leads to the old pick 2 of 3 choice of: > > 1. Support for 1680x1050@60Hz; > 2. AGP card; > 3. WindowsME drivers. > > What really got me wondering about the VM solution is my Muse Receptor > - a linux computer running a Windows virtually to play VST and VSTi. > The Windows VM can see the audio hardware in the box, and all this is > running extremely efficiently and with no (essentially) latency. > > Like so many here, I am not ready to cash in my Paris chips, but I am > hanging on by the fingernails! > > - Paul Artola > Ellicott City, Maryland > > > On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:48:20 -0600, "Aaron Allen" > <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: > > >>We might be discussing two different things.. you're talking about Virtual >>Private Networking, and Paul is talking about a Virtual Machine installation >>(basically, an OS installed inside of another OS for testing purposes that >>share the same computer at the same time)... >> >>AA >> >> >>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45982837@linux... >> >>>For rehearsals for my 50th bash I used a laptop loaded with VPN to control >>>Paris in my mixing room via a LAN cable and I have also used a wireless >>>router successfully...the response was a tad sluggish but it was >>>functional. >>> >>>Don >>> >>> >>>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message >>>news:45982117@linux... >>> >>>>haven't tried that but the architecture as I understand it wouldn't allow >>>>VM to run hardware. >>>>AA >>>> >>>> >>>>"Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>news:jo4gp21d421tacgnsmhdj5cmobnrf1inee@4ax.com... >>>> >>>>>Has anyone ever tried running Paris inside a virtual machine? I am >>>>>thinking along the lines of running a WindowsME virtual machine inside >>>>>WindowsXP. Would the hardware drivers pass thru? >>>>> >>>>>In a related question, could one use the remote control feature in XP >>>>>to control a WinME/Paris box on the network? >>>>> >>>>>This all gets back to me wanting to run dual 22" widescreen monitors >>>>>with my Paris system, but unable to find the right mix of >>>>>modern/classic hardware and drivers. >>>>> >>>>>- Paul Artola >>>>> Ellicott City, Maryland >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: > >>>I think the Sansamp's a good one for the money, and I've got >>>one myself; I think it'd be hard to replace with anything >>>better for that price range, but I'm sorta interested in trying >>>one of those Hartke BassAttack ones, too. Only Seventy bucks, >>>and it makes me wonder if I can get that aluminum cone sound >>>out of a DI. >>> >>>Neil > >Neil, wouldn't a really fast preamp do about the same thing? I dunno, but I doubt it - the Hartke DI, like the Sansamp, appears to have some tone-shaping things going on that a straight-ahead preamp doesn't I've got an Avalon 737 that works great as a bass DI, but its certainly not what I'd consider a fast preamp. I've DI'd bass on my Grace's, which are faster than a shithouse mouse, but you can't quite get that "clank" out of 'em, tho. Neilahhh.. you're looking for the fuzzies to go with it. Gotcha. Happy New Year man. Back to nose on the grind stone with this Pulsar.. I'm really impressed so far with the tone of the synths, having some config issues though working it as a busmixer yet.. I'll get it figured. Will post up when I have something worthwhile to mention AA "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45987130$1@linux... > > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: >> >>>>I think the Sansamp's a good one for the money, and I've got >>>>one myself; I think it'd be hard to replace with anything >>>>better for that price range, but I'm sorta interested in trying >>>>one of those Hartke BassAttack ones, too. Only Seventy bucks, >>>>and it makes me wonder if I can get that aluminum cone sound >>>>out of a DI. >>>> >>>>Neil >> >>Neil, wouldn't a really fast preamp do about the same thing? > > I dunno, but I doubt it - the Hartke DI, like the Sansamp, > appears to have some tone-shaping things going on that a > straight-ahead preamp doesn't I've got an Avalon 737 that works > great as a bass DI, but its certainly not what I'd consider a > fast preamp. I've DI'd bass on my Grace's, which are faster > than a shithouse mouse, but you can't quite get that "clank" > out of 'em, tho. > > Neil > > >I think you might be referring to me and if so I want to be strict, I referred to them (as in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) as 'revealed desert religions' not 'primitive desert religions.' By revealed I mean that all three claim to have a book that is the True Word of God, and oddly enough it's the same god, go figure. It's hard to remember sometimes in the West but there are other kinds of religions. Mystery cults, for example, put an initiate through a serious of experiences, trials, and rituals but do not have books with codes of laws and such. Each individual will arrive at much the same conclusion, it is assumed, but mystery cults don't usually tell you that bacon is off limits. One of the greatest things about traveling in Asia, which I've only done for a few weeks a few times, is getting away from the whole Abrahamic vengeful sky god thing. I have spent time in Thailand and Japan and it takes a few days to catch on but after a while for an atheist like me there's this moment where you realize, 'Nobody here cares about Jesus here. At all. He might as well be Zoroaster to these people.' In Japan they make fun of their own religion, by and large, and in Thailand everyone is a Buddhist, and it's sort of like Christianity here. There are crazy fundamentalist Buddhists and there are people who enjoy a little incense and a gong now and then but don't bother much beyond that. Anyway, if you were referring to me I said 'revealed' not 'primitive.' TCB P.S. If anyone thinks I'm a Christ hater, at lunch last week in my office I was trying to convince one of my Indian (as in South Asia, not American) and Hindu co-workers that we should start a chain of Bombay themed steak houses called 'Holy Cow!' The pitch would be that a worshiped cow must automatically taste better. Luckily for me she has a sense of humor. "bunuel" <bunuel@conair.fr> wrote: > >Childish. >What's all the red stuff? Oh, it's a lake of fire. Oy! For pity's sake. The >Islamists have some bizarre ideas about the afterlife,...virgins and whatnot..., >but a lake of fire? Primitive desert religions, as one of our colleagues >has remarked. Primitive. > >Anyway, you enjoy your weenie roast, if it comforts you. There really wasn't >that much else, re Iraq, to write home about this year,was there? Oh, there >was Zarqawi as well, of course. Anybody remember him? Anybody? Anybody? > > > > >"DC" <dc@spammersinlalaland.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>For the humor-impaired... >The U5 has 6 switchable tone shapes that work really well. It's way faster than the 737... I also have a little Yamaha Nathan East eq box we sometimes put in front for a little more control... "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: >This might fit the bill for you, if you're into passing through what's >there. Make sure you also use a good quality cable, no HOSA crap. >Personally, I'm using the Monster Bass, YMMV. >Try ebay to see if you can locate one of these, no idea what they're going >for. > >If you're more into even order harmonics, you might try getting a tube pre >with an instrument in. > >Or another SANS since you know what you had and liked it. > >AA > >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4598663c$1@linux... >> >> Remember that scene in the first Star Wars where Han Yo-Yo is getting the >> Millennium Falcon ready to take Whiny Luke and Slinky Leia of to see, >> well, >> something important I forget now. Or maybe Slinky Leia wasn't there yet, >> it was just the Whiny Luke and Whiny C3P0 and Perky Little R2 at that >> point. >> Anyway, in a very slapstick moment that was sadly missing from the later >> Star Wars movies, Harrison Ford as Yo-Yo is all talking up his ship up >> like >> it's the most BALLING thing ever and it did the something or another run >> while making parsec tea and all. So they're finally ready to go and fight >> the Greatest Battle in History of the Galaxy but first they have to hire >> Yo-Yo to taxi them there 'cause they don't have any money and they live on >> this shitstorm little backwater planet that's like the Kearney, Nebraska >> of the galaxy and the best they can find to get them to the Greatest >> Battle >> in the History of the Galaxy is this shady drug/gun/whatever runner they >> met in a bar. So Yo-Yo jumps in the pilot seat and flips a bunch of >> switches >> and fires up his shitty jalopy of a Millennium Falcon and it makes all of >> these cool noises and beeps and the engines start to whine and the lights >> are all flashing and then it goes >> BBBBBBRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMPPP >> and all the lights turn off? Well, that's kind of how I feel getting my >> studio >> up and running again, expect of course that I don't have any androids in >> my house or a Wookie either, which is probably good because I have a cat >> and if he could beat me at chess like a Wookie could well, screw me I'd >> have >> to give him tuna fish EVERY DAY. >> >> All of which is to say that I was getting out my bass to start working on >> a couple tracks on my fancy new Millennium Falcon DAW and . . . my SansAMP >> Bass DI has gone to the great DI hereafter where I'm sure at this moment >> it's covorting with it's bass DI family in eternal bottom crunching bliss. >> Now then, I'm a dub/reggae/electronica guy so I'm EXTREMELY picky about >> bass >> sounds, and most of the time I like to actually play them. I can program >> a bass line but bass needs to be one of the really organic sounds in the >> kind of music I make which can sound very non-organic at times. Here's >> what >> I liked about the SansAMP. >> >> - it was happy to work with any kind of bass. It would boost the lowest >> output >> Danelectro to mixer burning levels, but happily deal with a fancy new >> active >> bass as well. >> >> - it didn't have much color on its own, but it also got everything out of >> the bass. That is, it didn't sound 'cool' like an Ampeg mic'ed up, but it >> would dutifully pass all of the frequencies coming out of the bass, at >> very >> least, and let me work with them later in the mixer with EQ and >> compression >> and so on. >> >> - but even so the EQ could be useful in many situations. >> >> - it had multiple outputs, XLRs, quarter inch, pass through, etc. >> >> Now then, I'm more than happy to just get another SansAMP but do you PARIS >> loving analog mixing golden ears types have suggestions for a better box >> to be used to plug a bass directly into a mixer or recording device? >> >> Thanks, >> >> TCB > > >"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: >>Back to nose on the grind stone with this Pulsar.. I'm really impressed so >far with the tone of the synths, having some config issues though working it >as a busmixer yet.. I'll get it figured. What kind of config issues? NeilI can't seem to get XTC mode to do what I want it to do with Sonar. I'm also having to use an older version of Creamware until the previous owner of the card gets it all sussed out / creamware returns from hiatus. I'd hate to waste your time on dealing with 3.1 SFP when the expectation is to move it to 4.0 asap. AA "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45987576$1@linux... > > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: >>>Back to nose on the grind stone with this Pulsar.. I'm really impressed > so >>far with the tone of the synths, having some config issues though working > it >>as a busmixer yet.. I'll get it figured. > > What kind of config issues? > > NeilThe Avalon suggestion is a little tempting to me as well, I don't usually need real fast. What's up with the Scope stuff? I'm getting reasonably good with it, though I'm still a beginner. If you think I can help certainly let me know. TCB "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: >ahhh.. you're looking for the fuzzies to go with it. Gotcha. >Happy New Year man. >Back to nose on the grind stone with this Pulsar.. I'm really impressed so >far with the tone of the synths, having some config issues though working it >as a busmixer yet.. I'll get it figured. Will post up when I have something >worthwhile to mention >AA > > >"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45987130$1@linux... >> >> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: >>> >>>>>I think the Sansamp's a good one for the money, and I've got >>>>>one myself; I think it'd be hard to replace with anything >>>>>better for that price range, but I'm sorta interested in trying >>>>>one of those Hartke BassAttack ones, too. Only Seventy bucks, >>>>>and it makes me wonder if I can get that aluminum cone sound >>>>>out of a DI. >>>>> >>>>>Neil >>> >>>Neil, wouldn't a really fast preamp do about the same thing? >> >> I dunno, but I doubt it - the Hartke DI, like the Sansamp, >> appears to have some tone-shaping things going on that a >> straight-ahead preamp doesn't I've got an Avalon 737 that works >> great as a bass DI, but its certainly not what I'd consider a >> fast preamp. I've DI'd bass on my Grace's, which are faster >> than a shithouse mouse, but you can't quite get that "clank" >> out of 'em, tho. >> >> Neil >> >> >> > >I have a few bookmarks on my work machine about XTC mode. Frankly, I think CW would be well served to get it working much better but there seems to be little interest in doing that. As soon as you get 4.5 up and running feel free to ask me questions, and I'll post the XTC links next time I'm in front of my work machine. TCB "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: >I can't seem to get XTC mode to do what I want it to do with Sonar. I'm also >having to use an older version of Creamware until the previous owner of the >card gets it all sussed out / creamware returns from hiatus. I'd hate to >waste your time on dealing with 3.1 SFP when the expectation is to move it >to 4.0 asap. > >AA > >"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45987576$1@linux... >> >> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: >>>>Back to nose on the grind stone with this Pulsar.. I'm really impressed >> so >>>far with the tone of the synths, having some config issues though working >> it >>>as a busmixer yet.. I'll get it figured. >> >> What kind of config issues? >> >> Neil > >I use a 737 here. "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45987698@linux... > > The Avalon suggestion is a little tempting to me as well, I don't usually > need real fast. > > What's up with the Scope stuff? I'm getting reasonably good with it, > though > I'm still a beginner. If you think I can help certainly let me know. > > TCB > > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: >>ahhh.. you're looking for the fuzzies to go with it. Gotcha. >>Happy New Year man. >>Back to nose on the grind stone with this Pulsar.. I'm really impressed > so >>far with the tone of the synths, having some config issues though working > it >>as a busmixer yet.. I'll get it figured. Will post up when I have >>something > >>worthwhile to mention >>AA >> >> >>"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45987130$1@linux... >>> >>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>I think the Sansamp's a good one for the money, and I've got >>>>>>one myself; I think it'd be hard to replace with anything >>>>>>better for that price range, but I'm sorta interested in trying >>>>>>one of those Hartke BassAttack ones, too. Only Seventy bucks, >>>>>>and it makes me wonder if I can get that aluminum cone sound >>>>>>out of a DI. >>>>>> >>>>>>Neil >>>> >>>>Neil, wouldn't a really fast preamp do about the same thing? >>> >>> I dunno, but I doubt it - the Hartke DI, like the Sansamp, >>> appears to have some tone-shaping things going on that a >>> straight-ahead preamp doesn't I've got an Avalon 737 that works >>> great as a bass DI, but its certainly not what I'd consider a >>> fast preamp. I've DI'd bass on my Grace's, which are faster >>> than a shithouse mouse, but you can't quite get that "clank" >>> out of 'em, tho. >>> >>> Neil >>> >>> >>> >> >> >Martin, I'm thinking that by bussing groups in the Scope mixer and attenuating the groups by, say -12dB and the main mix by the same, using Pulsar DSP based compressors on the individual channels I *may* be able to recreate something similar to the channel/submix/global mix gain staging of Paris.......then again, I could just stick with Paris summing which is working perfectly right now. I'm just sorta' thinking in terms of checking out some higher sample rates that I won't be able to hear. HNY, ;o) "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:4596fbf5@linux... > Deej, > I get a headache and eyestrain just reading what you are doing with your > DAW's. > Have a happy and Productive new Year...that goes for everyone actually. > -- > Martin Harrington > www.lendanear-sound.com > > "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:4596c522@linux... >> I've been sitting here mapping out my future tracking and mixdown >> platform. It will be a two way street. I will keep my Pulsar cards where >> they are, in my AMD 4400 x 2 system along with my VSTi's, all of which, >> with the exception of the Steiny drum machine (whatever it's called) have >> standalone GUIs .This system has 48 ADAT I/O, a stereo pair of s/pdif and >> a stereo pair of AESI/O and 20 analog I/O (an A16U and an analog pair on >> two of the Pulsar cards. >> >> The other DAW will be happening on another DAW running aqn AMD 4800 x 2 >> CPU with 2 x RME HDSP 9652's and an HDSP Multiface running Cubase 4 and 4 >> x UAD-1 cards. >> >> The 2 x 9652's will be lightpiped direct to the 48 I/O of the Pulsar >> cards and their coax I/O will be patched directly to the Pulsar AES and >> spdif I/O through a didital patchbay. The Multiface ADAT I/O will be >> interfaced with an RME ADI4-DD which is patched into my 4X analog reverb >> processors. The Multiface S/Pdif I/O will be patched directly to Mytek >> stereo 96 AD/DA's through the digital patchbay. >> >> Tracking will be done in Cubase with the Pulsar analog I/O routed >> digitally via ADAT to the HDSP I/O and the Mytek I/O also being available >> to the Scope system. The Multiface I/O being available directly in the >> Cubase rig. This will give me 30 analog I/O during tracking >> sessions.........more then enough. >> >> Mixing will be done in Cubase with appropriate mono or stereo tracks as >> is appropriate for the mix being bussed via lightpipe from the HDSP's to >> Pulsar for summing. >> >> This should hopefully allow for a nice *zero latency* tracking scenario, >> similar to what can be achieved with Paris.........maybe, I >> hope..depending on how the RME drivers behave. that's the big ?. The >> Pulsar drivers have put the RME system to shame as far as operating at >> lower latencies but I have heard that the newer RME betas have >> drastically improved this situation. >> >> I've gotta try this. If I don't like it, I can repatch things fairly >> quickly back to the situation I have now. >> >> the quest continues.... >> >> ;o) >> >> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4596bd30$1@linux... >>> >>> Two things to add. First, and I know it's not your bag so you're not >>> that >>> interested, but to repeat, Scope is a superb synthesis platform as well. >>> Second, I really wish XTC mode worked better, even if one wanted to run >>> stems >>> to sum in the Scope mixer. For me, there is the >>> composing/tracking/humming/screwing >>> around stage of making music and then the mixing/tweaking stage. The >>> ability >>> to use XTC mode to start, then render the Scope tracks before 'serious' >>> mixing >>> would be ideal. I know it's possible now but XTC mode is so shaky I'm >>> not >>> sure it's worth the bother. >>> >>> TCB >>> >>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>I previously posted............. >>>> >>>>>Either you have to work in XTC mode=20 >>>>which negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you = >>>>sum=20 >>>>in Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, or you work "in series" = >>>>wherein < >>>> >>>>this should read ....... >>>> >>>>Either you have to work in XTC mode=20 >>>>which negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you = >>>>sum=20 >>>>in Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, so you work "in series" = >>>>wherein .yadda yadda....... >>>> >>>>Deej >>>> >>>>"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:4596a69a@linux... >>>>> Neil, >>>>>=20 >>>>> Great post. The evolution of the cards/names is definitely confusing. >>> = >>>>Now=20 >>>>> here are some more thoughts for Parisites. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Seems all proprietary DSP cards have their advantages and drawbacks. = >>>>Look at=20 >>>>> the limitations of Pro Tools for instance as far as being able to run >>> = >>>>lots=20 >>>>> of plugins. You have to buy lot$ of extra DSP hardware so in that = >>>>respect,=20 >>>>> there are similarities to Scope and needing the higher DSP processor = >>>>counts.=20 >>>>> It's pretty much a concensus of opinion over on the PlanetZ forum that >>> = >>>>30=20 >>>>> DSP's (two "Pro cards") are necessary for serious mixing. The same = >>>>thing=20 >>>>> with the Soundscape system. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Also, before I diss the Scope platform as far as plugins go, I'm going >>> = >>>>to=20 >>>>> need to get spend some time with the third party offerings.. As with = >>>>PT and=20 >>>>> Soundscape, there are "lots" of third party plugins for this platform. >>> = >>>>I've=20 >>>>> got the demos DL'ed but haven't tried them yet. IMHO, the stock = >>>>plugins for=20 >>>>> this platform are as good or better than the stock EDS plugins that = >>>>came=20 >>>>> with the Paris system with some being "much" better (have you tried = >>>>the=20 >>>>> deesser?), and I'll wager that like the Skunkworks subsequent = >>>>offerings that=20 >>>>> were DSP based, the third party plugs for this program may be = >>>>excellent=20 >>>>> stuff..........but like Paris, and as you have already pointed out, = >>>>the DSP=20 >>>>> resources are rather limited on the Home and Project cards so going = >>>>Pro=20 >>>>> would be the ticket if this was going to be a large mixdown platform.. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I do agree with you that the implementation of this platform as = >>>>relates to=20 >>>>> working in a native audio app sorta sucks, but you can look at it = >>>>either as=20 >>>>> a step backwards or as being familiar. Either you have to work in XTC >>> = >>>>mode=20 >>>>> which negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you >>> = >>>>sum=20 >>>>> in Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, or you work "in series" = >>>>wherein=20 >>>>> with the VST plugins are required to be first in the series, similar >>> = >>>>to the=20 >>>>> Paris native>EDS "in series" scenario (the familiar). >>>>>=20 >>>>> Another killer way to use this platform is as a *real time* FX = >>>>processor=20 >>>>> interfacing with the Paris ADAT and S/Pdif I/O on the Paris inserts = >>>>and=20 >>>>> auxes. The Vinco doesn't use an inordinate amount of DSP and it's got >>> = >>>>two=20 >>>>> modes. Again as you pointed out, it's an 1176 ringer, but it also does >>> = >>>>a=20 >>>>> nice opto. I will be looking at some of the third party plugins as = >>>>well=20 >>>>> because I have heard some comparisons that were posted of the DAS EQ's >>> = >>>>and=20 >>>>> they were damned nice. The API sounded killer and the Pultec gave a = >>>>good=20 >>>>> account of itself vs the UAD-1 Pultec. Using these as "real time" = >>>>plugins on=20 >>>>> Paris auxes/inserts may be similar to having a "zero audible latency" >>> = >>>>UAD-1=20 >>>>> scenario. >>>>>=20 >>>>> You and I had different expectations for this platform and mine have = >>>>been=20 >>>>> met in spades. The way I use Scope works wonders for my particular = >>>>Paris=20 >>>>> summing madness and it is the most stable and flexible native audio = >>>>platform=20 >>>>> I've ever encountered. I was going more for I/O connectivity on a = >>>>stable=20 >>>>> platform and the incredible (and to me, fast & intuitive) routing = >>>>options=20 >>>>> than the plugins. the plugins and synths were icing on the cake for = >>>>me. I=20 >>>>> really never expected to give up my UAD cards but if the 3rd party = >>>>plugins=20 >>>>> are to my liking and I get sick of mixing on three platforms, I just = >>>>might..=20 >>>>> In the meantime, the stability and the routing were the major ticket = >>>>IMO.=20 >>>>> The routing has saved me lots of $$$ because it allows the Scope = >>>>platform to=20 >>>>> be used as a digital patchbay, enhancing what I already have here that >>> = >>>>I was=20 >>>>> getting ready to expand.. These two things were worth the price of=20 >>>>> admission. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> ;o) >>>>>=20 >>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45952a49$1@linux... >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, this looks like the same thing as their "Mix & Master >>>>>> Pack", which I also have... this is another problem with the >>>>>> Creamware stuff - they have a couple of different names for >>>>>> every product, and it's confusing (can't help their marketing >>>>>> efforts any, either); it's like they decided to rename their >>>>>> entire product line, but never dropped the old names, either. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, yes, to me this looks like the exact same thing as what >>>>>> they now call their Mix & Master Pack, and IMO, YMMV, etc, some >>>>>> of the FX are useful, and some of 'em are total crap... or more >>>>>> accurately, some are useful, some are crap, some don't seem to >>>>>> do much of anything at all and so you have to wonder: "why >>>>>> bother even writing this plugin?". I noticed in one of the >>>>>> Pulsar forum threads the other day where someone mentioned that >>>>>> you have to get the Vinco compressor in the red before it does >>>>>> anything. I didn't find that to be the case, but then I haven't >>>>>> tried it on low-level signals (and maybe they were >>>>>> exaggerating a bit). >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, Aaron, what they mention on that page you liked to (down >>>>>> at the bottom of the page) with regard to the list >>>>>> of "plugins", well some of 'em ain't exactly plugins!. I'll >>>>>> paste that list in & run through it in the order they mention >>>>>> the items (my comments in parenthesis below): >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *MasterVerb Pro (a pretty nice-sounding reverb, IMO. Not raving >>>>>> about it, necessarily, but it sucketh not). >>>>>> >>>>>> *Optimaster (this is something like Izotope's Ozone... a Multi- >>>>>> EFX mastering app. It's got a Compressor, a limiter, expander, >>>>>> all multi-band (3 bands). It's not as versatile as Ozone, and >>>>>> doesn't have a stereo spread section (or a reverb, but that >>>>>> would be your "MasterVerb", above), but it sounds pretty good, >>>>>> I think - very smooth. The limiter is either totally incapable >>>>>> of brickwaling, or I haven't figured out how to get it there, >>>>>> because I've had to adjust the master level down to avoid overs >>>>>> even when using this. It has a bunch of presets (not all of the >>>>>> plugins do), some of which seem pretty useful as starting >>>>>> points. I wouldn't want to run a Mastering house using this >>>>>> application, so their choice of name may be stretching things a >>>>>> bit, but if you want to strap something nice & smooth & clear- >>>>>> sounding/uncolored across your Pulsar mixer's 2-buss, then this >>>>>> would be the one to use). >>>>>> >>>>>> *Vinco Vintage Compressor (a one-trick pony dead-on (at least >>>>>> as far as I can tell from what I've run through it so far) >>>>>> emulation of an 1176, but cleaner - maybe a little >>>>>> less "attitude". I've never found the '76's to be all that >>>>>> useful, personally, but for those who lust after them, his >>>>>> one's not a bad clone at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> *PSY-Q (Totally fuckin' useless attempt at a stereo spread >>>>>> modifer... as I think I pointed out before, this thing has >>>>>> about two degress of variance before it starts chewing the hell >>>>>> out of your signal & barfing up something almost vaguely >>>>>> resembling music. A waste of code, IMO). Want a killer stereo >>>>>> spread modifier? Get the one that comes in Ozone instead. It's >>>>>> the only good one I've heard since the Bedini B.A.S.E. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Surroundmixer STM-48s >>>>>> *Production Mixer STM-2448 >>>>>> *Inline Mixer STM-1632 >>>>>> (OK, absolutely NONE of these are really plugins... they're >>>>>> MIXERS, one of which you have to have in your routing window & >>>>>> be able to route signals through it in order to actually MIX - >>>>>> or sum - anything! >>>>>> See, the routing window works something like this... you drop >>>>>> in a module that represents where your signal is coming from, >>>>>> then you drop in a mixer module - you pick the smallest mixer >>>>>> you really need, because the bigger the mixer, the more DSP >>>>>> power it takes - then you drop in a module that represents >>>>>> where you want your signal to go FROM the mixer, and in a very >>>>>> small nutshell, that's it. The different modules get connected >>>>>> very much like how you do it in Paris' virtual patchbay. >>>>>> >>>>>> The part about "where your signal is coming from" could mean a >>>>>> hardware input (ADAT/Analog/SPDIF/AES) or it could mean a >>>>>> software/ASIO input (like for example if you were running >>>>>> Cubase or Nuendo or whatnot & you had a 36-channel mix going on >>>>>> & you wanted to run each channel individually through the >>>>>> Pulsar DSP mixer, you'd drop in an "ASIO Source" module, do a >>>>>> couple other things that I don't want to get into right now, >>>>>> and connect tha module to the mixer in your routing window... >>>>>> now if it's a 32-channel mix you couldn't use the "1632" mixer >>>>>> mentioned above, because you'd be four channels short, so you'd >>>>>> have to select the 48-channel mixer to get all those channels >>>>>> individually. The part about "where you want your signal to go >>>>>> to FROM the mixer" is similar... do you want it to go to analog >>>>>> outs? Straight to somewhere on the hard disk? Back into your >>>>>> native app on 2 new tracks so you can keep the mixes in the >>>>>> same project? A combination of Analog outs for monitoring >>>>>> purposes, lightpipe outs to your Alesis Masterlink, and also >>>>>> straight to the hard disk for a backup copy, all at once? You >>>>>> can do this, too. >>>>>> >>>>>> *MasterVerb Classic (seems to me like the same basic algo's as >>>>>> the MasterVerb, but without as much control and a different >>>>>> GUI - haven't messed with it enough to be able to tell if it >>>>>> sounds much different or not) >>>>>> >>>>>> *Compressor, Limiter, Gate, Expander, (plain-vanilla dynamics >>>>>> plugs without any form of coloration or attitude whatsover... >>>>>> great if that's what you want, *YAWN* if it's not.) >>>>>> >>>>>> *Parametric EQ, 4-Pole, HighCut Filter, LowCut Filter, >>>>>> (OK, I THOUGHT I was going to go in the order they mentioned >>>>>> it, but these needed to be grouped together... these are all >>>>>> the same basic EQ plugin, and the only reason I think they make >>>>>> them "separate" plugins is to give you the choice to conserve >>>>>> DSP if you only need one band (hi cut or lo cut, for example) - >>>>>> again, if there was a way to get more plain than plain >>>>>> vanilla... how about a soy-based vanilla? - then that would be >>>>>> the way to describe these plugins. Looking for a nice phat Neve- >>>>>> ish, phasey, smeary, analog EQ... y'aint gonna find it here, >>>>>> al. Phase-linear - I'm guessing - to the point of: "Is it even >>>>>> ON?" is the game here. Clean? Yep. Musical? Nope. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Filter, Chorus, 4-Tap, Chorus, Flanger, Phaser, Delay, Dual >>>>>> Delay, AutoPan, AutoWah, Distortion, Dither/Shaper, Early >>>>>> Reflector, Harmonic Chorus/Flanger, Multitap Delay, Overdrive, >>>>>> Pitch Shifter, Resonator, RingModulator, Tremolo >>>>>> >>>>>> I haven't used ANY of the delays yet, but most of the >>>>>> modulation EFX all appear to be cut from the same mold, in the >>>>>> manner of the different EQ plugs - most of the mod EFX are >>>>>> pretty funky, and something I wouldn't use, so I can't really >>>>>> comment much on these. The dither has quite a few settings, >>>>>> some of which sound OK, and some of which sound like crap... >>>>>> there's about ninetymillion dither/noise-shaping algos out >>>>>> there now, so I'm not even sure what some of the presets >>>>>> represent! Anyway, to sum it all up, this batch above >>>>>> represents really about 4 total plugin's (Delay, Modulation, >>>>>> Dither, and Distortion) that happen to be broken up into a >>>>>> number of sub-applets for probably both convenience and >>>>>> conservation of DSP... can't blame 'em for that. >>>>>> >>>>>> This above3 lsit of stuff, as far as I can tell (unless I'm >>>>>> missing something somewhere) is identical to what you'd get if >>>>>> you select their Mix & Master pack as the software option >>>>>> if you order either the "Home" card ($450-ish with 3 DSP chips) >>>>>> or the "Project" card ($750-ish with 6 DSP chips)... Thad got a >>>>>> special they have for the "Professional" card ($1,250-ish with >>>>>> 14 DSP chps) wherein if you buy that card you get both the Mix >>>>>> & Master pack PLUS the Synths & Samplers pack (which I know >>>>>> nothing about since I don't have that software bundle). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Argh... tired of typing now - will fill you in on the confusing >>>>>> differences between the names of the cards (both new AND old/yet >>>>>> continuing to be referenced in their own literature), and the >>>>>> different i/o options you have to pick from later on. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Neil=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>charset=3Diso-8859-1"> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I previously = >>>>posted............. >>>> >>>> >Either you have to work in XTC mode = >>>> which=20 >>>>negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you sum = >>>> in=20 >>>>Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, or you work "in series" wherein >>> = >>>> >>>>< >>>> >>>> this should read ....... >>>> >>>> Either you have to work in XTC mode = >>>> which=20 >>>>negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you sum = >>>> in=20 >>>>Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, so you = >>>>work "in=20 >>>>series" wherein .yadda yadda....... >>>> >>>> Deej >>>> >>>> "DJ" <<A=20 >>>>href=3D"mailto:nowayjose@dude.net">>>>size=3D2>nowayjose@dude.net> = >>>>wrote in=20 >>>>message >>>size=3D2>news:4596a69a@linux>>>size=3D2>... > Neil, > = >>>> > Great=20 >>>>post. The evolution of the cards/names is definitely confusing. Now = >>>> >=20 >>>>here are some more thoughts for Parisites. > > Seems all=20 >>>>proprietary DSP cards have their advantages and drawbacks. Look at = >>>> > the=20 >>>>limitations of Pro Tools for instance as far as being able to run lots = >>>> >=20 >>>>of plugins. You have to buy lot$ of extra DSP hardware so in that = >>>>respect,=20 >>>> > there are similarities to Scope and needing the higher DSP = >>>>processor=20 >>>>counts. > It's pretty much a concensus of opinion over on the = >>>>PlanetZ=20 >>>>forum that 30 > DSP's (two "Pro cards") are necessary for serious = >>>>mixing.=20 >>>>The same thing > with the Soundscape system. > > = >>>>Also,=20 >>>>before I diss the Scope platform as far as plugins go, I'm going to = >>>> >=20 >>>>need to get spend some time with the third party offerings.. As with PT >>> = >>>>and=20 >>>> > Soundscape, there are "lots" of third party plugins for this = >>>>platform.=20 >>>>I've > got the demos DL'ed but haven't tried them yet. IMHO, the = >>>>stock=20 >>>>plugins for > this platform are as good or better than the stock = >>>>EDS=20 >>>>plugins that came > with the Paris system with some being "much" = >>>>better=20 >>>>(have you tried the > deesser?), and I'll wager that like the = >>>>Skunkworks=20 >>>>subsequent offerings that > were DSP based, the third party plugs = >>>>for=20 >>>>this program may be excellent > stuff..........but like Paris, = >>>>and as you=20 >>>>have already pointed out, the DSP > resources are rather limited = >>>>on the=20 >>>>Home and Project cards so going Pro > would be the ticket if this = >>>>was=20 >>>>going to be a large mixdown platform.. > > I do agree with = >>>>you that=20 >>>>the implementation of this platform as relates to > working in a = >>>>native=20 >>>>audio app sorta sucks, but you can look at it either as > a step=20 >>>>backwards or as being familiar. Either you have to work in XTC mode = >>>> >=20 >>>>which negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you = >>>>sum=20 >>>> > in Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, or you work "in = >>>>series"=20 >>>>wherein > with the VST plugins are required to be first in = >>>>the=20 >>>>series, similar to the > Paris native>EDS "in series" scenario = >>>>(the=20 >>>>familiar). > > Another killer way to use this platform is = >>>>as a=20 >>>>*real time* FX processor > interfacing with the Paris ADAT and = >>>>S/Pdif I/O=20 >>>>on the Paris inserts and > auxes. The Vinco doesn't use an = >>>>inordinate=20 >>>>amount of DSP and it's got two > modes. Again as you pointed out, = >>>>it's an=20 >>>>1176 ringer, but it also does a > nice opto. I will be looking at = >>>>some of=20 >>>>the third party plugins as well > because I have heard some = >>>>comparisons=20 >>>>that were posted of the DAS EQ's and > they were damned nice. The = >>>>API=20 >>>>sounded killer and the Pultec gave a good > account of itself vs = >>>>the=20 >>>>UAD-1 Pultec. Using these as "real time" plugins on > Paris = >>>>auxes/inserts=20 >>>>may be similar to having a "zero audible latency" UAD-1 >=20 >>>>scenario. > > You and I had different expectations for this = >>>> >>>>platform and mine have been > met in spades. The way I use Scope = >>>>works=20 >>>>wonders for my particular Paris > summing madness and it is the = >>>>most=20 >>>>stable and flexible native audio platform > I've ever = >>>>encountered. I was=20 >>>>going more for I/O connectivity on a stable > platform and the = >>>>incredible=20 >>>>(and to me, fast & intuitive) routing options > than the = >>>>plugins. the=20 >>>>plugins and synths were icing on the cake for me. I > really = >>>>never=20 >>>>expected to give up my UAD cards but if the 3rd party plugins > = >>>>are to my=20 >>>>liking and I get sick of mixing on three platforms, I just might.. = >>>> > In=20 >>>>the meantime, the stability and the routing were the major ticket IMO. = >>>> >=20 >>>>The routing has saved me lots of $$$ because it allows the Scope = >>>>platform to=20 >>>> > be used as a digital patchbay, enhancing what I already have = >>>>here that=20 >>>>I was > getting ready to expand.. These two things were worth the = >>>>price=20 >>>>of > admission. > > Cheers, > ;o) > = >>>> >=20 >>>>"Neil" <>>>size=3D2>OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote = >>>>in message=20 >>>>>>>size=3D2>news:45952a49$1@linux>>>size=3D2>... >> >> Yeah, this looks like the same = >>>>thing as their=20 >>>>"Mix & Master >> Pack", which I also have... this is = >>>>another=20 >>>>problem with the >> Creamware stuff - they have a couple of = >>>>different=20 >>>>names for >> every product, and it's confusing (can't help = >>>>their=20 >>>>marketing >> efforts any, either); it's like they decided to = >>>>rename=20 >>>>their >> entire product line, but never dropped the old names,=20 >>>>either. >> >> Anyway, yes, to me this looks like the = >>>>exact=20 >>>>same thing as what >> they now call their Mix & Master = >>>>Pack, and=20 >>>>IMO, YMMV, etc, some >> of the FX are useful, and some of 'em = >>>>are total=20 >>>>crap... or more >> accurately, some are useful, some are crap, = >>>>some=20 >>>>don't seem to >> do much of anything at all and so you have to = >>>>wonder:=20 >>>>"why >> bother even writing this plugin?". I noticed in one of=20 >>>>the >> Pulsar forum threads the other day where someone = >>>>mentioned=20 >>>>that >> you have to get the Vinco compressor in the red before = >>>>it=20 >>>>does >> anything. I didn't find that to be the case, but then I = >>>> >>>>haven't >> tried it on low-level signals (and maybe they=20 >>>>were >> exaggerating a bit). >> >> Also, = >>>>Aaron, what=20 >>>>they mention on that page you liked to (down >> at the bottom = >>>>of the=20 >>>>page) with regard to the list >> of "plugins", well some of 'em = >>>>ain't=20 >>>>exactly plugins!. I'll >> paste that list in & run through = >>>>it in=20 >>>>the order they mention >> the items (my comments in parenthesis = >>>> >>>>below): >> >> >> *MasterVerb Pro (a pretty=20 >>>>nice-sounding reverb, IMO. Not raving >> about it, necessarily, = >>>>but it=20 >>>>sucketh not). >> >> *Optimaster (this is something = >>>>like=20 >>>>Izotope's Ozone... a Multi- >> EFX mastering app. It's got a=20 >>>>Compressor, a limiter, expander, >> all multi-band (3 bands). = >>>>It's not=20 >>>>as versatile as Ozone, and >> doesn't have a stereo spread = >>>>section (or=20 >>>>a reverb, but that >> would be your "MasterVerb", above), but = >>>>it sounds=20 >>>>pretty good, >> I think - very smooth. The limiter is either = >>>>totally=20 >>>>incapable >> of brickwaling, or I haven't figured out how to = >>>>get it=20 >>>>there, >> because I've had to adjust the master level down to = >>>>avoid=20 >>>>overs >> even when using this. It has a bunch of presets (not = >>>>all of=20 >>>>the >> plugins do), some of which seem pretty useful as=20 >>>>starting >> points. I wouldn't want to run a Mastering house = >>>>using=20 >>>>this >> application, so their choice of name may be stretching = >>>>things=20 >>>>a >> bit, but if you want to strap something nice & smooth = >>>>&=20 >>>>clear- >> sounding/uncolored across your Pulsar mixer's 2-buss, = >>>>then=20 >>>>this >> would be the one to use). >> >> = >>>>*Vinco=20 >>>>Vintage Compressor (a one-trick pony dead-on (at least >> as = >>>>far as I=20 >>>>can tell from what I've run through it so far) >> emulation of = >>>>an 1176,=20 >>>>but cleaner - maybe a little >> less "attitude". I've never = >>>>found the=20 >>>>'76's to be all that >> useful, personally, but for those who = >>>>lust=20 >>>>after them, his >> one's not a bad clone at=20 >>>>all. >> >> *PSY-Q (Totally fuckin' useless attempt at = >>>>a stereo=20 >>>>spread >> modifer... as I think I pointed out before, this = >>>>thing=20 >>>>has >> about two degress of variance before it starts chewing = >>>>the=20 >>>>hell >> out of your signal & barfing up something almost=20 >>>>vaguely >> resembling music. A waste of code, IMO). Want a = >>>>killer=20 >>>>stereo >> spread modifier? Get the one that comes in Ozone = >>>>instead.=20 >>>>It's >> the only good one I've heard since the Bedini=20 >>>>B.A.S.E. >> >> >> *Surroundmixer = >>>>STM-48s >>=20 >>>>*Production Mixer STM-2448 >> *Inline Mixer = >>>>STM-1632 >> (OK,=20 >>>>absolutely NONE of these are really plugins... they're >> = >>>>MIXERS, one=20 >>>>of which you have to have in your routing window & >> be = >>>>able to=20 >>>>route signals through it in order to actually MIX - >> or = >>>>sum -=20 >>>>anything! >> See, the routing window works something like = >>>>this... you=20 >>>>drop >> in a module that represents where your signal is coming = >>>> >>>>from, >> then you drop in a mixer module - you pick the = >>>>smallest=20 >>>>mixer >> you really need, because the bigger the mixer, the = >>>>more=20 >>>>DSP >> power it takes - then you drop in a module that=20 >>>>represents >> where you want your signal to go FROM the mixer, = >>>>and in a=20 >>>>very >> small nutshell, that's it. The different modules get=20 >>>>connected >> very much like how you do it in Paris' virtual=20 >>>>patchbay. >> >> The part about "where your signal is = >>>>coming=20 >>>>from" could mean a >> hardware input (ADAT/Analog/SPDIF/AES) or = >>>>it=20 >>>>could mean a >> software/ASIO input (like for example if you = >>>>were=20 >>>>running >> Cubase or Nuendo or whatnot & you had a = >>>>36-channel mix=20 >>>>going on >> & you wanted to run each channel individually = >>>>through=20 >>>>the >> Pulsar DSP mixer, you'd drop in an "ASIO Source" module, = >>>>do=20 >>>>a >> couple other things that I don't want to get into right=20 >>>>now, >> and connect tha module to the mixer in your routing=20 >>>>window... >> now if it's a 32-channel mix you couldn't use the = >>>>"1632"=20 >>>>mixer >> mentioned above, because you'd be four channels short, = >>>>so=20 >>>>you'd >> have to select the 48-channel mixer to get all those=20 >>>>channels >> individually. The part about "where you want your = >>>>signal to=20 >>>>go >> to FROM the mixer" is similar... do you want it to go to=20 >>>>analog >> outs? Straight to somewhere on the hard disk? Back = >>>>into=20 >>>>your >> native app on 2 new tracks so you can keep the mixes in = >>>> >>>>the >> same project? A combination of Analog outs for=20 >>>>monitoring >> purposes, lightpipe outs to your Alesis = >>>>Masterlink, and=20 >>>>also >> straight to the hard disk for a backup copy, all at = >>>>once?=20 >>>>You >> can do this, too. >> >> *MasterVerb = >>>>Classic=20 >>>>(seems to me like the same basic algo's as >> the MasterVerb, = >>>>but=20 >>>>without as much control and a different >> GUI - haven't messed = >>>>with it=20 >>>>enough to be able to tell if it >> sounds much different or=20 >>>>not) >> >> *Compressor, Limiter, Gate, Expander,=20 >>>>(plain-vanilla dynamics >> plugs without any form of coloration = >>>>or=20 >>>>attitude whatsover... >> great if that's what you want, *YAWN* = >>>>if it's=20 >>>>not.) >> >> *Parametric EQ, 4-Pole, HighCut Filter, = >>>>LowCut=20 >>>>Filter, >> (OK, I THOUGHT I was going to go in the order they=20 >>>>mentioned >> it, but these needed to be grouped together... = >>>>these are=20 >>>>all >> the same basic EQ plugin, and the only reason I think = >>>>they=20 >>>>make >> them "separate" plugins is to give you the choice to=20 >>>>conserve >> DSP if you only need one band (hi cut or lo cut, = >>>>for=20 >>>>example) - >> again, if there was a way to get more plain than=20 >>>>plain >> vanilla... how about a soy-based vanilla? - then that = >>>>would=20 >>>>be >> the way to describe these plugins. Looking for a nice = >>>>phat=20 >>>>Neve- >> ish, phasey, smeary, analog EQ... y'aint gonna find it = >>>> >>>>here, >> al. Phase-linear - I'm guessing - to the point of: "Is = >>>>it=20 >>>>even >> ON?" is the game here. Clean? Yep. Musical?=20 >>>>Nope. >> >> *Filter, Chorus, 4-Tap, Chorus, Flanger, = >>>>Phaser,=20 >>>>Delay, Dual >> Delay, AutoPan, AutoWah, Distortion, = >>>>Dither/Shaper,=20 >>>>Early >> Reflector, Harmonic Chorus/Flanger, Multitap Delay,=20 >>>>Overdrive, >> Pitch Shifter, Resonator, RingModulator,=20 >>>>Tremolo >> >> I haven't used ANY of the delays yet, = >>>>but most=20 >>>>of the >> modulation EFX all appear to be cut from the same = >>>>mold, in=20 >>>>the >> manner of the different EQ plugs - most of the mod EFX=20 >>>>are >> pretty funky, and something I wouldn't use, so I can't=20 >>>>really >> comment much on these. The dither has quite a few=20 >>>>settings, >> some of which sound OK, and some of which sound = >>>>like=20 >>>>crap... >> there's about ninetymillion dither/noise-shaping = >>>>algos=20 >>>>out >> there now, so I'm not even sure what some of the=20 >>>>presets >> represent! Anyway, to sum it all up, this batch=20 >>>>above >> represents really about 4 total plugin's (Delay,=20 >>>>Modulation, >> Dither, and Distortion) that happen to be broken = >>>>up into=20 >>>>a >> number of sub-applets for probably both convenience=20 >>>>and >> conservation of DSP... can't blame 'em for=20 >>>>that. >> >> This above3 lsit of stuff, as far as I can = >>>>tell=20 >>>>(unless I'm >> missing something somewhere) is identical to = >>>>what you'd=20 >>>>get if >> you select their Mix & Master pack as the = >>>>software=20 >>>>option >> if you order either the "Home" card ($450-ish with 3 = >>>>DSP=20 >>>>chips) >> or the "Project" card ($750-ish with 6 DSP chips)... = >>>>Thad got=20 >>>>a >> special they have for the "Professional" card ($1,250-ish=20 >>>>with >> 14 DSP chps) wherein if you buy that card you get both = >>>>the=20 >>>>Mix >> & Master pack PLUS the Synths & Samplers pack = >>>>(which I=20 >>>>know >> nothing about since I don't have that software=20 >>>>bundle). >> >> >> Argh... tired of typing now = >>>>- will=20 >>>>fill you in on the confusing >> differences between the names = >>>>of the=20 >>>>cards (both new AND old/yet >> continuing to be referenced in = >>>>their own=20 >>>>literature), and the >> different i/o options you have to pick = >>>>from=20 >>>>later on. >> >> >> Neil >=20 >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > >Just loaded Paris 3.0 into WinXP from 98 whereParis was working fine. Now upon loading the Control 16 is frozen and cannot playback or anything. Sometimes it loads ok and does work. Also the 442 is often missing in the patchbay. Have to exit and start up a few times and then it's there. Any help out there ?This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---=_linux459882ee Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >Martin, > >I'm thinking that by bussing groups in the Scope mixer and attenuating the >groups by, say -12dB and the main mix by the same, using Pulsar DSP based >compressors on the individual channels I *may* be able to recreate something >similar to the channel/submix/global mix gain staging of Paris.......then >again, I could just stick with Paris summing which is working perfectly >right now. I'm just sorta' thinking in terms of checking out some higher >sample rates that I won't be able to hear. > >HNY, > >;o) You'll be able to hear the difference. It's not all about what's up in the 30k-plus range, it's really about cleaning up the top end of what you ARE able to hear. I agree with Martin, though - I could never get my head around the configurations you're trying to make work LOL. Even with two machines, my rig is pretty simple Here's a pic... Cubase machine on the right, along with my main Multiface (up on top of the rack, next to the Portico) since most of what I mic is going to happen in that room behind to the right, whether it's drums, vocals, an acoustic guitar or other instrument... hence most of my preamps being in that rack, as well (the big empty space is where the ISA 428 goes, which is off having channel 4 fixed right now), I can lightpipe the 428 to the Multiface, for a total of 12 inputs on that side (I don't have a pre with SPDIF out, so it's the 8 analog & 4 lightpipes per Multiface for me). Then on the other side is the Pulsar/Paris machine with it's monitor on top of the MEC. That's taking lightpipes from both Multifaces - the other of which you see is right underneath the left Dynaudio speaker, on top of the Grace 101's - which sit right there because if I'm micing electric guitar the amp/cabinets are going to be in that room behind to the left, and there's a 99.9% chance I'm going to use the Graces and/or the Focusrite Red 8, so having the Graces there is convenient. Having the Multiface on that side means I've got a convenient MIDI and analog hook-in for the other synth, also. Word Clock & Central Station underneath since I don't have to touch them much... Central Station analog in's (2 sets) gets fed by both the Pulsar outs & the Main Multiface outs, and its SPDIF in gets fed by the MEC's SPDIF out, so I can switch between 'em... and bada-bing! Simple! I'd like to get another rack for the left side, since there's a few things I don't have racked (a TL Audio channel strip & a couple of dbx comps, plus I could stick the MEC in there), but I want to find one that's short enough to keep that monitor screen at about the same height. I've seen pics of your racks & rig... I'd need four times the space to fit your setup in here! lol Neil ---=_linux459882ee Content-Type: image/pjpeg; name="C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\My Pictures\HPIM0117.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="HPIM0117.jpg" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wBDAAMCAgMCAgMDAwMEAwMEBQgFBQQE BQoHBwYIDAoMDAsKCwsNDhIQDQ4RDgsLEBYQERMUFRUVDA8XGBYUGBIUFRT/ [binary] ---=_linux459882ee--My headache's getting worse, although that could have something to do with last nights celebrations...oh well...off to see Happy Feet now..HNY to you.. -- Martin Harrington www.lendanear-sound.com "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:45987b2b@linux... > Martin, > > I'm thinking that by bussing groups in the Scope mixer and attenuating the > groups by, say -12dB and the main mix by the same, using Pulsar DSP based > compressors on the individual channels I *may* be able to recreate > something similar to the channel/submix/global mix gain staging of > Paris.......then again, I could just stick with Paris summing which is > working perfectly right now. I'm just sorta' thinking in terms of checking > out some higher sample rates that I won't be able to hear. > > HNY, > > ;o) > > "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message > news:4596fbf5@linux... >> Deej, >> I get a headache and eyestrain just reading what you are doing with your >> DAW's. >> Have a happy and Productive new Year...that goes for everyone actually. >> -- >> Martin Harrington >> www.lendanear-sound.com >> >> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:4596c522@linux... >>> I've been sitting here mapping out my future tracking and mixdown >>> platform. It will be a two way street. I will keep my Pulsar cards where >>> they are, in my AMD 4400 x 2 system along with my VSTi's, all of which, >>> with the exception of the Steiny drum machine (whatever it's called) >>> have standalone GUIs .This system has 48 ADAT I/O, a stereo pair of >>> s/pdif and a stereo pair of AESI/O and 20 analog I/O (an A16U and an >>> analog pair on two of the Pulsar cards. >>> >>> The other DAW will be happening on another DAW running aqn AMD 4800 x 2 >>> CPU with 2 x RME HDSP 9652's and an HDSP Multiface running Cubase 4 and >>> 4 x UAD-1 cards. >>> >>> The 2 x 9652's will be lightpiped direct to the 48 I/O of the Pulsar >>> cards and their coax I/O will be patched directly to the Pulsar AES and >>> spdif I/O through a didital patchbay. The Multiface ADAT I/O will be >>> interfaced with an RME ADI4-DD which is patched into my 4X analog reverb >>> processors. The Multiface S/Pdif I/O will be patched directly to Mytek >>> stereo 96 AD/DA's through the digital patchbay. >>> >>> Tracking will be done in Cubase with the Pulsar analog I/O routed >>> digitally via ADAT to the HDSP I/O and the Mytek I/O also being >>> available to the Scope system. The Multiface I/O being available >>> directly in the Cubase rig. This will give me 30 analog I/O during >>> tracking sessions.........more then enough. >>> >>> Mixing will be done in Cubase with appropriate mono or stereo tracks as >>> is appropriate for the mix being bussed via lightpipe from the HDSP's to >>> Pulsar for summing. >>> >>> This should hopefully allow for a nice *zero latency* tracking scenario, >>> similar to what can be achieved with Paris.........maybe, I >>> hope..depending on how the RME drivers behave. that's the big ?. The >>> Pulsar drivers have put the RME system to shame as far as operating at >>> lower latencies but I have heard that the newer RME betas have >>> drastically improved this situation. >>> >>> I've gotta try this. If I don't like it, I can repatch things fairly >>> quickly back to the situation I have now. >>> >>> the quest continues.... >>> >>> ;o) >>> >>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4596bd30$1@linux... >>>> >>>> Two things to add. First, and I know it's not your bag so you're not >>>> that >>>> interested, but to repeat, Scope is a superb synthesis platform as >>>> well. >>>> Second, I really wish XTC mode worked better, even if one wanted to run >>>> stems >>>> to sum in the Scope mixer. For me, there is the >>>> composing/tracking/humming/screwing >>>> around stage of making music and then the mixing/tweaking stage. The >>>> ability >>>> to use XTC mode to start, then render the Scope tracks before 'serious' >>>> mixing >>>> would be ideal. I know it's possible now but XTC mode is so shaky I'm >>>> not >>>> sure it's worth the bother. >>>> >>>> TCB >>>> >>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I previously posted............. >>>>> >>>>>>Either you have to work in XTC mode=20 >>>>>which negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you >>>>>= >>>>>sum=20 >>>>>in Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, or you work "in series" = >>>>>wherein < >>>>> >>>>>this should read ....... >>>>> >>>>>Either you have to work in XTC mode=20 >>>>>which negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you >>>>>= >>>>>sum=20 >>>>>in Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, so you work "in series" = >>>>>wherein .yadda yadda....... >>>>> >>>>>Deej >>>>> >>>>>"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:4596a69a@linux... >>>>>> Neil, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Great post. The evolution of the cards/names is definitely confusing. >>>> = >>>>>Now=20 >>>>>> here are some more thoughts for Parisites. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Seems all proprietary DSP cards have their advantages and drawbacks. >>>>>> = >>>>>Look at=20 >>>>>> the limitations of Pro Tools for instance as far as being able to run >>>> = >>>>>lots=20 >>>>>> of plugins. You have to buy lot$ of extra DSP hardware so in that = >>>>>respect,=20 >>>>>> there are similarities to Scope and needing the higher DSP processor >>>>>> = >>>>>counts.=20 >>>>>> It's pretty much a concensus of opinion over on the PlanetZ forum >>>>>> that >>>> = >>>>>30=20 >>>>>> DSP's (two "Pro cards") are necessary for serious mixing. The same = >>>>>thing=20 >>>>>> with the Soundscape system. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Also, before I diss the Scope platform as far as plugins go, I'm >>>>>> going >>>> = >>>>>to=20 >>>>>> need to get spend some time with the third party offerings.. As with >>>>>> = >>>>>PT and=20 >>>>>> Soundscape, there are "lots" of third party plugins for this >>>>>> platform. >>>> = >>>>>I've=20 >>>>>> got the demos DL'ed but haven't tried them yet. IMHO, the stock = >>>>>plugins for=20 >>>>>> this platform are as good or better than the stock EDS plugins that = >>>>>came=20 >>>>>> with the Paris system with some being "much" better (have you tried = >>>>>the=20 >>>>>> deesser?), and I'll wager that like the Skunkworks subsequent = >>>>>offerings that=20 >>>>>> were DSP based, the third party plugs for this program may be = >>>>>excellent=20 >>>>>> stuff..........but like Paris, and as you have already pointed out, = >>>>>the DSP=20 >>>>>> resources are rather limited on the Home and Project cards so going = >>>>>Pro=20 >>>>>> would be the ticket if this was going to be a large mixdown >>>>>> platform.. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I do agree with you that the implementation of this platform as = >>>>>relates to=20 >>>>>> working in a native audio app sorta sucks, but you can look at it = >>>>>either as=20 >>>>>> a step backwards or as being familiar. Either you have to work in XTC >>>> = >>>>>mode=20 >>>>>> which negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or >>>>>> you >>>> = >>>>>sum=20 >>>>>> in Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, or you work "in series" = >>>>>wherein=20 >>>>>> with the VST plugins are required to be first in the series, similar >>>> = >>>>>to the=20 >>>>>> Paris native>EDS "in series" scenario (the familiar). >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Another killer way to use this platform is as a *real time* FX = >>>>>processor=20 >>>>>> interfacing with the Paris ADAT and S/Pdif I/O on the Paris inserts = >>>>>and=20 >>>>>> auxes. The Vinco doesn't use an inordinate amount of DSP and it's got >>>> = >>>>>two=20 >>>>>> modes. Again as you pointed out, it's an 1176 ringer, but it also >>>>>> does >>>> = >>>>>a=20 >>>>>> nice opto. I will be looking at some of the third party plugins as = >>>>>well=20 >>>>>> because I have heard some comparisons that were posted of the DAS >>>>>> EQ's >>>> = >>>>>and=20 >>>>>> they were damned nice. The API sounded killer and the Pultec gave a = >>>>>good=20 >>>>>> account of itself vs the UAD-1 Pultec. Using these as "real time" = >>>>>plugins on=20 >>>>>> Paris auxes/inserts may be similar to having a "zero audible latency" >>>> = >>>>>UAD-1=20 >>>>>> scenario. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> You and I had different expectations for this platform and mine have >>>>>> = >>>>>been=20 >>>>>> met in spades. The way I use Scope works wonders for my particular = >>>>>Paris=20 >>>>>> summing madness and it is the most stable and flexible native audio = >>>>>platform=20 >>>>>> I've ever encountered. I was going more for I/O connectivity on a = >>>>>stable=20 >>>>>> platform and the incredible (and to me, fast & intuitive) routing = >>>>>options=20 >>>>>> than the plugins. the plugins and synths were icing on the cake for = >>>>>me. I=20 >>>>>> really never expected to give up my UAD cards but if the 3rd party = >>>>>plugins=20 >>>>>> are to my liking and I get sick of mixing on three platforms, I just >>>>>> = >>>>>might..=20 >>>>>> In the meantime, the stability and the routing were the major ticket >>>>>> = >>>>>IMO.=20 >>>>>> The routing has saved me lots of $$$ because it allows the Scope = >>>>>platform to=20 >>>>>> be used as a digital patchbay, enhancing what I already have here >>>>>> that >>>> = >>>>>I was=20 >>>>>> getting ready to expand.. These two things were worth the price of=20 >>>>>> admission. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> ;o) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45952a49$1@linux... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, this looks like the same thing as their "Mix & Master >>>>>>> Pack", which I also have... this is another problem with the >>>>>>> Creamware stuff - they have a couple of different names for >>>>>>> every product, and it's confusing (can't help their marketing >>>>>>> efforts any, either); it's like they decided to rename their >>>>>>> entire product line, but never dropped the old names, either. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, yes, to me this looks like the exact same thing as what >>>>>>> they now call their Mix & Master Pack, and IMO, YMMV, etc, some >>>>>>> of the FX are useful, and some of 'em are total crap... or more >>>>>>> accurately, some are useful, some are crap, some don't seem to >>>>>>> do much of anything at all and so you have to wonder: "why >>>>>>> bother even writing this plugin?". I noticed in one of the >>>>>>> Pulsar forum threads the other day where someone mentioned that >>>>>>> you have to get the Vinco compressor in the red before it does >>>>>>> anything. I didn't find that to be the case, but then I haven't >>>>>>> tried it on low-level signals (and maybe they were >>>>>>> exaggerating a bit). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, Aaron, what they mention on that page you liked to (down >>>>>>> at the bottom of the page) with regard to the list >>>>>>> of "plugins", well some of 'em ain't exactly plugins!. I'll >>>>>>> paste that list in & run through it in the order they mention >>>>>>> the items (my comments in parenthesis below): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *MasterVerb Pro (a pretty nice-sounding reverb, IMO. Not raving >>>>>>> about it, necessarily, but it sucketh not). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Optimaster (this is something like Izotope's Ozone... a Multi- >>>>>>> EFX mastering app. It's got a Compressor, a limiter, expander, >>>>>>> all multi-band (3 bands). It's not as versatile as Ozone, and >>>>>>> doesn't have a stereo spread section (or a reverb, but that >>>>>>> would be your "MasterVerb", above), but it sounds pretty good, >>>>>>> I think - very smooth. The limiter is either totally incapable >>>>>>> of brickwaling, or I haven't figured out how to get it there, >>>>>>> because I've had to adjust the master level down to avoid overs >>>>>>> even when using this. It has a bunch of presets (not all of the >>>>>>> plugins do), some of which seem pretty useful as starting >>>>>>> points. I wouldn't want to run a Mastering house using this >>>>>>> application, so their choice of name may be stretching things a >>>>>>> bit, but if you want to strap something nice & smooth & clear- >>>>>>> sounding/uncolored across your Pulsar mixer's 2-buss, then this >>>>>>> would be the one to use). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Vinco Vintage Compressor (a one-trick pony dead-on (at least >>>>>>> as far as I can tell from what I've run through it so far) >>>>>>> emulation of an 1176, but cleaner - maybe a little >>>>>>> less "attitude". I've never found the '76's to be all that >>>>>>> useful, personally, but for those who lust after them, his >>>>>>> one's not a bad clone at all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *PSY-Q (Totally fuckin' useless attempt at a stereo spread >>>>>>> modifer... as I think I pointed out before, this thing has >>>>>>> about two degress of variance before it starts chewing the hell >>>>>>> out of your signal & barfing up something almost vaguely >>>>>>> resembling music. A waste of code, IMO). Want a killer stereo >>>>>>> spread modifier? Get the one that comes in Ozone instead. It's >>>>>>> the only good one I've heard since the Bedini B.A.S.E. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Surroundmixer STM-48s >>>>>>> *Production Mixer STM-2448 >>>>>>> *Inline Mixer STM-1632 >>>>>>> (OK, absolutely NONE of these are really plugins... they're >>>>>>> MIXERS, one of which you have to have in your routing window & >>>>>>> be able to route signals through it in order to actually MIX - >>>>>>> or sum - anything! >>>>>>> See, the routing window works something like this... you drop >>>>>>> in a module that represents where your signal is coming from, >>>>>>> then you drop in a mixer module - you pick the smallest mixer >>>>>>> you really need, because the bigger the mixer, the more DSP >>>>>>> power it takes - then you drop in a module that represents >>>>>>> where you want your signal to go FROM the mixer, and in a very >>>>>>> small nutshell, that's it. The different modules get connected >>>>>>> very much like how you do it in Paris' virtual patchbay. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The part about "where your signal is coming from" could mean a >>>>>>> hardware input (ADAT/Analog/SPDIF/AES) or it could mean a >>>>>>> software/ASIO input (like for example if you were running >>>>>>> Cubase or Nuendo or whatnot & you had a 36-channel mix going on >>>>>>> & you wanted to run each channel individually through the >>>>>>> Pulsar DSP mixer, you'd drop in an "ASIO Source" module, do a >>>>>>> couple other things that I don't want to get into right now, >>>>>>> and connect tha module to the mixer in your routing window... >>>>>>> now if it's a 32-channel mix you couldn't use the "1632" mixer >>>>>>> mentioned above, because you'd be four channels short, so you'd >>>>>>> have to select the 48-channel mixer to get all those channels >>>>>>> individually. The part about "where you want your signal to go >>>>>>> to FROM the mixer" is similar... do you want it to go to analog >>>>>>> outs? Straight to somewhere on the hard disk? Back into your >>>>>>> native app on 2 new tracks so you can keep the mixes in the >>>>>>> same project? A combination of Analog outs for monitoring >>>>>>> purposes, lightpipe outs to your Alesis Masterlink, and also >>>>>>> straight to the hard disk for a backup copy, all at once? You >>>>>>> can do this, too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *MasterVerb Classic (seems to me like the same basic algo's as >>>>>>> the MasterVerb, but without as much control and a different >>>>>>> GUI - haven't messed with it enough to be able to tell if it >>>>>>> sounds much different or not) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Compressor, Limiter, Gate, Expander, (plain-vanilla dynamics >>>>>>> plugs without any form of coloration or attitude whatsover... >>>>>>> great if that's what you want, *YAWN* if it's not.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Parametric EQ, 4-Pole, HighCut Filter, LowCut Filter, >>>>>>> (OK, I THOUGHT I was going to go in the order they mentioned >>>>>>> it, but these needed to be grouped together... these are all >>>>>>> the same basic EQ plugin, and the only reason I think they make >>>>>>> them "separate" plugins is to give you the choice to conserve >>>>>>> DSP if you only need one band (hi cut or lo cut, for example) - >>>>>>> again, if there was a way to get more plain than plain >>>>>>> vanilla... how about a soy-based vanilla? - then that would be >>>>>>> the way to describe these plugins. Looking for a nice phat Neve- >>>>>>> ish, phasey, smeary, analog EQ... y'aint gonna find it here, >>>>>>> al. Phase-linear - I'm guessing - to the point of: "Is it even >>>>>>> ON?" is the game here. Clean? Yep. Musical? Nope. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Filter, Chorus, 4-Tap, Chorus, Flanger, Phaser, Delay, Dual >>>>>>> Delay, AutoPan, AutoWah, Distortion, Dither/Shaper, Early >>>>>>> Reflector, Harmonic Chorus/Flanger, Multitap Delay, Overdrive, >>>>>>> Pitch Shifter, Resonator, RingModulator, Tremolo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I haven't used ANY of the delays yet, but most of the >>>>>>> modulation EFX all appear to be cut from the same mold, in the >>>>>>> manner of the different EQ plugs - most of the mod EFX are >>>>>>> pretty funky, and something I wouldn't use, so I can't really >>>>>>> comment much on these. The dither has quite a few settings, >>>>>>> some of which sound OK, and some of which sound like crap... >>>>>>> there's about ninetymillion dither/noise-shaping algos out >>>>>>> there now, so I'm not even sure what some of the presets >>>>>>> represent! Anyway, to sum it all up, this batch above >>>>>>> represents really about 4 total plugin's (Delay, Modulation, >>>>>>> Dither, and Distortion) that happen to be broken up into a >>>>>>> number of sub-applets for probably both convenience and >>>>>>> conservation of DSP... can't blame 'em for that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This above3 lsit of stuff, as far as I can tell (unless I'm >>>>>>> missing something somewhere) is identical to what you'd get if >>>>>>> you select their Mix & Master pack as the software option >>>>>>> if you order either the "Home" card ($450-ish with 3 DSP chips) >>>>>>> or the "Project" card ($750-ish with 6 DSP chips)... Thad got a >>>>>>> special they have for the "Professional" card ($1,250-ish with >>>>>>> 14 DSP chps) wherein if you buy that card you get both the Mix >>>>>>> & Master pack PLUS the Synths & Samplers pack (which I know >>>>>>> nothing about since I don't have that software bundle). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Argh... tired of typing now - will fill you in on the confusing >>>>>>> differences between the names of the cards (both new AND old/yet >>>>>>> continuing to be referenced in their own literature), and the >>>>>>> different i/o options you have to pick from later on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Neil=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1"> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I previously = >>>>>posted............. >>>>> >>>>> >Either you have to work in XTC mode = >>>>> which=20 >>>>>negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you sum = >>>>> in=20 >>>>>Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, or you work "in series" >>>>>wherein >>>> = >>>>> >>>>>< >>>>> >>>>> this should read ....... >>>>> >>>>> Either you have to work in XTC mode = >>>>> which=20 >>>>>negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you sum = >>>>> in=20 >>>>>Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, so you = >>>>>work "in=20 >>>>>series" wherein .yadda yadda....... >>>>> >>>>> Deej >>>>> >>>>> "DJ" <<A=20 >>>>>href=3D"mailto:nowayjose@dude.net">>>>>size=3D2>nowayjose@dude.net> = >>>>>wrote in=20 >>>>>message >>>>size=3D2>news:4596a69a@linux>>>>size=3D2>... > Neil, > = >>>>> > Great=20 >>>>>post. The evolution of the cards/names is definitely confusing. Now = >>>>> >=20 >>>>>here are some more thoughts for Parisites. > > Seems all=20 >>>>>proprietary DSP cards have their advantages and drawbacks. Look at = >>>>> > the=20 >>>>>limitations of Pro Tools for instance as far as being able to run lots >>>>>= >>>>> >=20 >>>>>of plugins. You have to buy lot$ of extra DSP hardware so in that = >>>>>respect,=20 >>>>> > there are similarities to Scope and needing the higher DSP = >>>>>processor=20 >>>>>counts. > It's pretty much a concensus of opinion over on the = >>>>>PlanetZ=20 >>>>>forum that 30 > DSP's (two "Pro cards") are necessary for serious = >>>>>mixing.=20 >>>>>The same thing > with the Soundscape system. > > = >>>>>Also,=20 >>>>>before I diss the Scope platform as far as plugins go, I'm going to = >>>>> >=20 >>>>>need to get spend some time with the third party offerings.. As with PT >>>> = >>>>>and=20 >>>>> > Soundscape, there are "lots" of third party plugins for this = >>>>>platform.=20 >>>>>I've > got the demos DL'ed but haven't tried them yet. IMHO, the = >>>>>stock=20 >>>>>plugins for > this platform are as good or better than the stock = >>>>>EDS=20 >>>>>plugins that came > with the Paris system with some being "much" = >>>>>better=20 >>>>>(have you tried the > deesser?), and I'll wager that like the = >>>>>Skunkworks=20 >>>>>subsequent offerings that > were DSP based, the third party plugs = >>>>>for=20 >>>>>this program may be excellent > stuff..........but like Paris, = >>>>>and as you=20 >>>>>have already pointed out, the DSP > resources are rather limited = >>>>>on the=20 >>>>>Home and Project cards so going Pro > would be the ticket if this = >>>>>was=20 >>>>>going to be a large mixdown platform.. > > I do agree with = >>>>>you that=20 >>>>>the implementation of this platform as relates to > working in a = >>>>>native=20 >>>>>audio app sorta sucks, but you can look at it either as > a step=20 >>>>>backwards or as being familiar. Either you have to work in XTC mode = >>>>> >=20 >>>>>which negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you >>>>>= >>>>>sum=20 >>>>> > in Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, or you work "in = >>>>>series"=20 >>>>>wherein > with the VST plugins are required to be first in = >>>>>the=20 >>>>>series, similar to the > Paris native>EDS "in series" scenario = >>>>>(the=20 >>>>>familiar). > > Another killer way to use this platform is = >>>>>as a=20 >>>>>*real time* FX processor > interfacing with the Paris ADAT and = >>>>>S/Pdif I/O=20 >>>>>on the Paris inserts and > auxes. The Vinco doesn't use an = >>>>>inordinate=20 >>>>>amount of DSP and it's got two > modes. Again as you pointed out, = >>>>>it's an=20 >>>>>1176 ringer, but it also does a > nice opto. I will be looking at = >>>>>some of=20 >>>>>the third party plugins as well > because I have heard some = >>>>>comparisons=20 >>>>>that were posted of the DAS EQ's and > they were damned nice. The = >>>>>API=20 >>>>>sounded killer and the Pultec gave a good > account of itself vs = >>>>>the=20 >>>>>UAD-1 Pultec. Using these as "real time" plugins on > Paris = >>>>>auxes/inserts=20 >>>>>may be similar to having a "zero audible latency" UAD-1 >=20 >>>>>scenario. > > You and I had different expectations for this = >>>>> >>>>>platform and mine have been > met in spades. The way I use Scope = >>>>>works=20 >>>>>wonders for my particular Paris > summing madness and it is the = >>>>>most=20 >>>>>stable and flexible native audio platform > I've ever = >>>>>encountered. I was=20 >>>>>going more for I/O connectivity on a stable > platform and the = >>>>>incredible=20 >>>>>(and to me, fast & intuitive) routing options > than the = >>>>>plugins. the=20 >>>>>plugins and synths were icing on the cake for me. I > really = >>>>>never=20 >>>>>expected to give up my UAD cards but if the 3rd party plugins > = >>>>>are to my=20 >>>>>liking and I get sick of mixing on three platforms, I just might.. = >>>>> > In=20 >>>>>the meantime, the stability and the routing were the major ticket IMO. >>>>>= >>>>> >=20 >>>>>The routing has saved me lots of $$$ because it allows the Scope = >>>>>platform to=20 >>>>> > be used as a digital patchbay, enhancing what I already have = >>>>>here that=20 >>>>>I was > getting ready to expand.. These two things were worth the = >>>>>price=20 >>>>>of > admission. > > Cheers, > ;o) > = >>>>> >=20 >>>>>"Neil" <>>>>size=3D2>OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote = >>>>>in message=20 >>>>>>>>>size=3D2>news:45952a49$1@linux>>>>size=3D2>... >> >> Yeah, this looks like the same = >>>>>thing as their=20 >>>>>"Mix & Master >> Pack", which I also have... this is = >>>>>another=20 >>>>>problem with the >> Creamware stuff - they have a couple of = >>>>>different=20 >>>>>names for >> every product, and it's confusing (can't help = >>>>>their=20 >>>>>marketing >> efforts any, either); it's like they decided to = >>>>>rename=20 >>>>>their >> entire product line, but never dropped the old names,=20 >>>>>either. >> >> Anyway, yes, to me this looks like the = >>>>>exact=20 >>>>>same thing as what >> they now call their Mix & Master = >>>>>Pack, and=20 >>>>>IMO, YMMV, etc, some >> of the FX are useful, and some of 'em = >>>>>are total=20 >>>>>crap... or more >> accurately, some are useful, some are crap, = >>>>>some=20 >>>>>don't seem to >> do much of anything at all and so you have to = >>>>>wonder:=20 >>>>>"why >> bother even writing this plugin?". I noticed in one of=20 >>>>>the >> Pulsar forum threads the other day where someone = >>>>>mentioned=20 >>>>>that >> you have to get the Vinco compressor in the red before = >>>>>it=20 >>>>>does >> anything. I didn't find that to be the case, but then I = >>>>> >>>>>haven't >> tried it on low-level signals (and maybe they=20 >>>>>were >> exaggerating a bit). >> >> Also, = >>>>>Aaron, what=20 >>>>>they mention on that page you liked to (down >> at the bottom = >>>>>of the=20 >>>>>page) with regard to the list >> of "plugins", well some of 'em = >>>>>ain't=20 >>>>>exactly plugins!. I'll >> paste that list in & run through = >>>>>it in=20 >>>>>the order they mention >> the items (my comments in parenthesis = >>>>> >>>>>below): >> >> >> *MasterVerb Pro (a pretty=20 >>>>>nice-sounding reverb, IMO. Not raving >> about it, necessarily, = >>>>>but it=20 >>>>>sucketh not). >> >> *Optimaster (this is something = >>>>>like=20 >>>>>Izotope's Ozone... a Multi- >> EFX mastering app. It's got a=20 >>>>>Compressor, a limiter, expander, >> all multi-band (3 bands). = >>>>>It's not=20 >>>>>as versatile as Ozone, and >> doesn't have a stereo spread = >>>>>section (or=20 >>>>>a reverb, but that >> would be your "MasterVerb", above), but = >>>>>it sounds=20 >>>>>pretty good, >> I think - very smooth. The limiter is either = >>>>>totally=20 >>>>>incapable >> of brickwaling, or I haven't figured out how to = >>>>>get it=20 >>>>>there, >> because I've had to adjust the master level down to = >>>>>avoid=20 >>>>>overs >> even when using this. It has a bunch of presets (not = >>>>>all of=20 >>>>>the >> plugins do), some of which seem pretty useful as=20 >>>>>starting >> points. I wouldn't want to run a Mastering house = >>>>>using=20 >>>>>this >> application, so their choice of name may be stretching = >>>>>things=20 >>>>>a >> bit, but if you want to strap something nice & smooth = >>>>>&=20 >>>>>clear- >> sounding/uncolored across your Pulsar mixer's 2-buss, = >>>>>then=20 >>>>>this >> would be the one to use). >> >> = >>>>>*Vinco=20 >>>>>Vintage Compressor (a one-trick pony dead-on (at least >> as = >>>>>far as I=20 >>>>>can tell from what I've run through it so far) >> emulation of = >>>>>an 1176,=20 >>>>>but cleaner - maybe a little >> less "attitude". I've never = >>>>>found the=20 >>>>>'76's to be all that >> useful, personally, but for those who = >>>>>lust=20 >>>>>after them, his >> one's not a bad clone at=20 >>>>>all. >> >> *PSY-Q (Totally fuckin' useless attempt at = >>>>>a stereo=20 >>>>>spread >> modifer... as I think I pointed out before, this = >>>>>thing=20 >>>>>has >> about two degress of variance before it starts chewing = >>>>>the=20 >>>>>hell >> out of your signal & barfing up something almost=20 >>>>>vaguely >> resembling music. A waste of code, IMO). Want a = >>>>>killer=20 >>>>>stereo >> spread modifier? Get the one that comes in Ozone = >>>>>instead.=20 >>>>>It's >> the only good one I've heard since the Bedini=20 >>>>>B.A.S.E. >> >> >> *Surroundmixer = >>>>>STM-48s >>=20 >>>>>*Production Mixer STM-2448 >> *Inline Mixer = >>>>>STM-1632 >> (OK,=20 >>>>>absolutely NONE of these are really plugins... they're >> = >>>>>MIXERS, one=20 >>>>>of which you have to have in your routing window & >> be = >>>>>able to=20 >>>>>route signals through it in order to actually MIX - >> or = >>>>>sum -=20 >>>>>anything! >> See, the routing window works something like = >>>>>this... you=20 >>>>>drop >> in a module that represents where your signal is coming = >>>>> >>>>>from, >> then you drop in a mixer module - you pick the = >>>>>smallest=20 >>>>>mixer >> you really need, because the bigger the mixer, the = >>>>>more=20 >>>>>DSP >> power it takes - then you drop in a module that=20 >>>>>represents >> where you want your signal to go FROM the mixer, = >>>>>and in a=20 >>>>>very >> small nutshell, that's it. The different modules get=20 >>>>>connected >> very much like how you do it in Paris' virtual=20 >>>>>patchbay. >> >> The part about "where your signal is = >>>>>coming=20 >>>>>from" could mean a >> hardware input (ADAT/Analog/SPDIF/AES) or = >>>>>it=20 >>>>>could mean a >> software/ASIO input (like for example if you = >>>>>were=20 >>>>>running >> Cubase or Nuendo or whatnot & you had a = >>>>>36-channel mix=20 >>>>>going on >> & you wanted to run each channel individually = >>>>>through=20 >>>>>the >> Pulsar DSP mixer, you'd drop in an "ASIO Source" module, = >>>>>do=20 >>>>>a >> couple other things that I don't want to get into right=20 >>>>>now, >> and connect tha module to the mixer in your routing=20 >>>>>window... >> now if it's a 32-channel mix you couldn't use the = >>>>>"1632"=20 >>>>>mixer >> mentioned above, because you'd be four channels short, = >>>>>so=20 >>>>>you'd >> have to select the 48-channel mixer to get all those=20 >>>>>channels >> individually. The part about "where you want your = >>>>>signal to=20 >>>>>go >> to FROM the mixer" is similar... do you want it to go to=20 >>>>>analog >> outs? Straight to somewhere on the hard disk? Back = >>>>>into=20 >>>>>your >> native app on 2 new tracks so you can keep the mixes in = >>>>> >>>>>the >> same project? A combination of Analog outs for=20 >>>>>monitoring >> purposes, lightpipe outs to your Alesis = >>>>>Masterlink, and=20 >>>>>also >> straight to the hard disk for a backup copy, all at = >>>>>once?=20 >>>>>You >> can do this, too. >> >> *MasterVerb = >>>>>Classic=20 >>>>>(seems to me like the same basic algo's as >> the MasterVerb, = >>>>>but=20 >>>>>without as much control and a different >> GUI - haven't messed = >>>>>with it=20 >>>>>enough to be able to tell if it >> sounds much different or=20 >>>>>not) >> >> *Compressor, Limiter, Gate, Expander,=20 >>>>>(plain-vanilla dynamics >> plugs without any form of coloration = >>>>>or=20 >>>>>attitude whatsover... >> great if that's what you want, *YAWN* = >>>>>if it's=20 >>>>&g
> >>in the History of the Galaxy is this shady drug/gun/whatever runner they >>met in a bar. So Yo-Yo jumps in the pilot seat and flips a bunch of >>switches >>and fires up his shitty jalopy of a Millennium Falcon and it makes all of >>these cool noises and beeps and the engines start to whine and the lights >>are all flashing and then it goes >>BBBBBBRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMPPP >>and all the lights turn off? Well, that's kind of how I feel getting my > studio >>up and running again, expect of course that I don't have any androids in >>my house or a Wookie either, which is probably good because I have a cat >>and if he could beat me at chess like a Wookie could well, screw me I'd > have >>to give him tuna fish EVERY DAY. >> >>All of which is to say that I was getting out my bass to start working on >>a couple tracks on my fancy new Millennium Falcon DAW and . . . my SansAMP >>Bass DI has gone to the great DI hereafter where I'm sure at this moment >>it's covorting with it's bass DI family in eternal bottom crunching bliss. >>Now then, I'm a dub/reggae/electronica guy so I'm EXTREMELY picky about > bass >>sounds, and most of the time I like to actually play them. I can program >>a bass line but bass needs to be one of the really organic sounds in the >>kind of music I make which can sound very non-organic at times. Here's >>what >>I liked about the SansAMP. >> >>- it was happy to work with any kind of bass. It would boost the lowest > output >>Danelectro to mixer burning levels, but happily deal with a fancy new >>active >>bass as well. >> >>- it didn't have much color on its own, but it also got everything out of >>the bass. That is, it didn't sound 'cool' like an Ampeg mic'ed up, but it >>would dutifully pass all of the frequencies coming out of the bass, at >>very >>least, and let me work with them later in the mixer with EQ and >>compression >>and so on. >> >>- but even so the EQ could be useful in many situations. >> >>- it had multiple outputs, XLRs, quarter inch, pass through, etc. >> >>Now then, I'm more than happy to just get another SansAMP but do you PARIS >>loving analog mixing golden ears types have suggestions for a better box >>to be used to plug a bass directly into a mixer or recording device? >> >>Thanks, >> >>TCB >Do you have any experience with the Radial stuff? I haven't used the Bassbone myself, but the JDV Mk 3 has given us a neutral, "broad band" signal for Bass, so I'm guessing that the Bassbone would give more of the same. Both have lots of I/O s too. http://www.radialeng.com/di-jdv.htm http://www.tonebone.com/tb-bassbone.htm TedSome juicy referrals... http://www.radialeng.com/re-bassists.htm >myself, but the JDV Mk 3 has given us a neutral, "broad band" signal forBass, >so I'm guessing that the Bassbone would give more of the same. Both have >lots of I/O s too. >http://www.radialeng.com/di-jdv.htm >http://www.tonebone.com/tb-bassbone.htm > >Ted > > >Yes, it was you. And I stand corrected. Thanks. "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: > >I think you might be referring to me and if so I want to be strict, I referred >to them (as in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) as 'revealed desert religions' >not 'primitive desert religions.' By revealed I mean that all three claim >to have a book that is the True Word of God, and oddly enough it's the same >god, go figure. It's hard to remember sometimes in the West but there are >other kinds of religions. Mystery cults, for example, put an initiate through >a serious of experiences, trials, and rituals but do not have books with >codes of laws and such. Each individual will arrive at much the same conclusion, >it is assumed, but mystery cults don't usually tell you that bacon is off >limits. > >One of the greatest things about traveling in Asia, which I've only done >for a few weeks a few times, is getting away from the whole Abrahamic vengeful >sky god thing. I have spent time in Thailand and Japan and it takes a few >days to catch on but after a while for an atheist like me there's this moment >where you realize, 'Nobody here cares about Jesus here. At all. He might >as well be Zoroaster to these people.' In Japan they make fun of their own >religion, by and large, and in Thailand everyone is a Buddhist, and it's >sort of like Christianity here. There are crazy fundamentalist Buddhists >and there are people who enjoy a little incense and a gong now and then but >don't bother much beyond that. > >Anyway, if you were referring to me I said 'revealed' not 'primitive.' > >TCB > >P.S. If anyone thinks I'm a Christ hater, at lunch last week in my office >I was trying to convince one of my Indian (as in South Asia, not American) >and Hindu co-workers that we should start a chain of Bombay themed steak >houses called 'Holy Cow!' The pitch would be that a worshiped cow must automatically >taste better. Luckily for me she has a sense of humor. > >"bunuel" <bunuel@conair.fr> wrote: >> >>Childish. >>What's all the red stuff? Oh, it's a lake of fire. Oy! For pity's sake. >The >>Islamists have some bizarre ideas about the afterlife,...virgins and whatnot..., >>but a lake of fire? Primitive desert religions, as one of our colleagues >>has remarked. Primitive. >> >>Anyway, you enjoy your weenie roast, if it comforts you. There really wasn't >>that much else, re Iraq, to write home about this year,was there? Oh, there >>was Zarqawi as well, of course. Anybody remember him? Anybody? Anybody? > >> >> >> >> >>"DC" <dc@spammersinlalaland.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>For the humor-impaired... >> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: >P.S. If anyone thinks I'm a Christ hater, at lunch last week in my office >I was trying to convince one of my Indian (as in South Asia, not American) >and Hindu co-workers that we should start a chain of Bombay themed steak >houses called 'Holy Cow!' The pitch would be that a worshiped cow must automatically taste better. Luckily for me she has a sense of humor. hehehe, A guy I know up here in Toronto started a successful Chinese food chain, called "Holy Chow". Made millions. TedAargh! Another plugin I can't use in Paris! Which bundle does it come in? Thanks, Gantt "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: > >Gantt, >Waves have a similar SPL plugin called "Trans-X" http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=119Voxengo also has their Transmodder... here's a link to the demo: http://www.voxengo.com/files/VoxengoTransmodder_15_WinVST_se tup.exe BY THE WAY, GUYS - Voxengo has a sale going on on about a half- dozen of their plugs right now... 20% discount. Neil "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote: > >Aargh! Another plugin I can't use in Paris! Which bundle does it come in? > >Thanks, > >Gantt > >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >> >>Gantt, >>Waves have a similar SPL plugin called "Trans-X" http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=119 >Wow! I have the Transform bundle! I'll try sending a snare track over to Digital Performer and see what it does... Gantt "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote: > >Aargh! Another plugin I can't use in Paris! Which bundle does it come in? > >Thanks, > >Gantt > >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >> >>Gantt, >>Waves have a similar SPL plugin called "Trans-X" http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=119 >"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote in message news:45992424$1@linux... > > "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: > >>P.S. If anyone thinks I'm a Christ hater, at lunch last week in my office >>I was trying to convince one of my Indian (as in South Asia, not American) >>and Hindu co-workers that we should start a chain of Bombay themed steak >>houses called 'Holy Cow!' The pitch would be that a worshiped cow must >>automatically > taste better. Luckily for me she has a sense of humor. > > > hehehe, > > A guy I know up here in Toronto started a successful Chinese food chain, > > called "Holy Chow". Made millions. > > Ted > In Ottawa it's Ho-Lee-Chow...excellent Chinese food by the way"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:459930e0@linux... > > "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote in message > news:45992424$1@linux... >> >> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: >> >>>P.S. If anyone thinks I'm a Christ hater, at lunch last week in my office >>>I was trying to convince one of my Indian (as in South Asia, not >>>American) >>>and Hindu co-workers that we should start a chain of Bombay themed steak >>>houses called 'Holy Cow!' The pitch would be that a worshiped cow must >>>automatically >> taste better. Luckily for me she has a sense of humor. >> >> >> hehehe, >> >> A guy I know up here in Toronto started a successful Chinese food chain, >> >> called "Holy Chow". Made millions. >> >> Ted >> > > In Ottawa it's Ho-Lee-Chow...excellent Chinese food by the way NOT!!!!!"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >Nice setup Neil. You actually have computers that look like computers >instead of stacks of components in disarray like me..LOL!!! > >Here's another dilemma for me. I am digitally interfacing four older >hardware reverbs (Lexi PCM 91, Quantec Yardstick, Sony DPS V77 and >Roland R-880 with an RME ADI4-DD). These are only capable of 48k sample >rate max but without them I will die. . > >Since I use these old hardware processors in parallel, I'm wondering if I >would even hear any sonic degradation if I could somehow sync them to >projects with higher sample >rates, I was thinking of trying to upsample them using a SRC box of some >sort. I doubt you'd hear any sonic degradation - they'd sound just like they ought to sound as long as you had a good SRC. But if you mean you could try it WITHOUT upsampling them, well, then this just won't work - the receiving device would either not recognize the input at all, or it would pass a signal that sounded something like: "blithr-blathr-bblbblbbl-BLAT!" >before I get to far into this higher sample rate stuff, I am going to need >to jump through some more insane hoops.either that or start using convoverbs >or trade my Pulsar Project cards in for Pro models so I can run those nice >sonic timeworks and Masterverbs at higher samplerates. I'm thinking >convolution reverbs would definitely be the cheapest, but then there's the >CPU hit. And the Pulsarverbs & convoverbs aren't going to to give you the same sounds as you're getting out of the items you currently have & like, so you have three options: 1.) Never bother with anything above 48k and just keep your system stable as it is. 2.) Get one of those newer RME SRC's. 3.) Run your outboard verbs out & in via analog... ideally, I know you want to stay in digital, but don't forget, the vast majority of everything you've heard these reverbs on was done in analog - they were designed to work primarily in the analog domain & the digital ins & outs were more or less simply an afterthought. >Now my head even hurts. Not as much as mine does when trying to figure out your next move! lol Why don't you quit beta-testing for awhile & make some music now that you have a stable-as-hell rig that you're loing the sound of? POST SOME MIXES, DAMMIT - WE WANNA HEAR IT! lol Neil"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45993350$1@linux... > > "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>Nice setup Neil. You actually have computers that look like computers >>instead of stacks of components in disarray like me..LOL!!! >> >>Here's another dilemma for me. I am digitally interfacing four older >>hardware reverbs (Lexi PCM 91, Quantec Yardstick, Sony DPS V77 and >>Roland R-880 with an RME ADI4-DD). These are only capable of 48k sample > >>rate max but without them I will die. . >> >>Since I use these old hardware processors in parallel, I'm wondering if > I >>would even hear any sonic degradation if I could somehow sync them to >>p
rojects with higher sample >>rates, I was thinking of trying to upsample them using a SRC box of some > >>sort. > > I doubt you'd hear any sonic degradation - they'd sound just > like they ought to sound as long as you had a good SRC. But if > you mean you could try it WITHOUT upsampling them, well, then > this just won't work - the receiving device would either not > recognize the input at all, or it would pass a signal that > sounded something like: "blithr-blathr-bblbblbbl-BLAT!" > >>before I get to far into this higher sample rate stuff, I am going to need > >>to jump through some more insane hoops.either that or start using >>convoverbs > >>or trade my Pulsar Project cards in for Pro models so I can run those nice > >>sonic timeworks and Masterverbs at higher samplerates. I'm thinking >>convolution reverbs would definitely be the cheapest, but then there's the > >>CPU hit. > > And the Pulsarverbs & convoverbs aren't going to to give you > the same sounds as you're getting out of the items you > currently have & like, so you have three options: > > 1.) Never bother with anything above 48k and just keep your > system stable as it is. > 2.) Get one of those newer RME SRC's. > 3.) Run your outboard verbs out & in via analog... ideally, I > know you want to stay in digital, but don't forget, the vast > majority of everything you've heard these reverbs on was done > in analog - they were designed to work primarily in the analog > domain & the digital ins & outs were more or less simply an > afterthought. > >>Now my head even hurts. > > Not as much as mine does when trying to figure out your next > move! lol > > Why don't you quit beta-testing for awhile & make some music > now that you have a stable-as-hell rig that you're loing the > sound of? POST SOME MIXES, DAMMIT - WE WANNA HEAR IT! lol > > Neil Yeah...I tried it using at 96k. The processors would not sync through my RME ADI4-DD that the devices are interfacing with (and which is synced to my WC). there was kust no response from the processors.That's what I expected. I checked in at the RME forum last night and the deal is that the ADI192-DD will do this, but it takes two of them to pull it off. That's around $2400.00. That analog cabling is starting to look like good stuff ;o) I'll get you something to listen to today. ;o)"alex plasko" <alex.plasko@snet.net> wrote in message news:4599172c@linux... > You might want to try a BBE D1-100 direct box. they have the bbe > enhancement built in. The bass "players" I've had here prefer the avalon > 737 for bass DI . I dont have a U5. Will i die without one? These things > i must know. Can you afford to take the chance???..............this is life and death stuff man. ;o) > "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45989167$1@linux... >> >> Yep..The Avalon U5 is a killer Bass/Guitar Preamp. You may also want to >> checkout: >> >> -The Focusrite Instrument channel (Platinum range).. >> -Art Pro channel.. >> >> >> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: >>> >>>Remember that scene in the first Star Wars where Han Yo-Yo is getting the >>>Millennium Falcon ready to take Whiny Luke and Slinky Leia of to see, >>>well, >>>something important I forget now. Or maybe Slinky Leia wasn't there yet, >>>it was just the Whiny Luke and Whiny C3P0 and Perky Little R2 at that >>>point. >>>Anyway, in a very slapstick moment that was sadly missing from the later >>>Star Wars movies, Harrison Ford as Yo-Yo is all talking up his ship up >>>like >>>it's the most BALLING thing ever and it did the something or another run >>>while making parsec tea and all. So they're finally ready to go and fight >>>the Greatest Battle in History of the Galaxy but first they have to hire >>>Yo-Yo to taxi them there 'cause they don't have any money and they live >> on >>>this shitstorm little backwater planet that's like the Kearney, Nebraska >>>of the galaxy and the best they can find to get them to the Greatest >>>Battle >>>in the History of the Galaxy is this shady drug/gun/whatever runner they >>>met in a bar. So Yo-Yo jumps in the pilot seat and flips a bunch of >>>switches >>>and fires up his shitty jalopy of a Millennium Falcon and it makes all of >>>these cool noises and beeps and the engines start to whine and the lights >>>are all flashing and then it goes >>>BBBBBBRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMPPP >>>and all the lights turn off? Well, that's kind of how I feel getting my >> studio >>>up and running again, expect of course that I don't have any androids in >>>my house or a Wookie either, which is probably good because I have a cat >>>and if he could beat me at chess like a Wookie could well, screw me I'd >> have >>>to give him tuna fish EVERY DAY. >>> >>>All of which is to say that I was getting out my bass to start working on >>>a couple tracks on my fancy new Millennium Falcon DAW and . . . my >>>SansAMP >>>Bass DI has gone to the great DI hereafter where I'm sure at this moment >>>it's covorting with it's bass DI family in eternal bottom crunching >>>bliss. >>>Now then, I'm a dub/reggae/electronica guy so I'm EXTREMELY picky about >> bass >>>sounds, and most of the time I like to actually play them. I can program >>>a bass line but bass needs to be one of the really organic sounds in the >>>ki
nd of music I make which can sound very non-organic at times. Here's >>>what >>>I liked about the SansAMP. >>> >>>- it was happy to work with any kind of bass. It would boost the lowest >> output >>>Danelectro to mixer burning levels, but happily deal with a fancy new >>>active >>>bass as well. >>> >>>- it didn't have much color on its own, but it also got everything out of >>>the bass. That is, it didn't sound 'cool' like an Ampeg mic'ed up, but it >>>would dutifully pass all of the frequencies coming out of the bass, at >>>very >>>least, and let me work with them later in the mixer with EQ and >>>compression >>>and so on. >>> >>>- but even so the EQ could be useful in many situations. >>> >>>- it had multiple outputs, XLRs, quarter inch, pass through, etc. >>> >>>Now then, I'm more than happy to just get another SansAMP but do you >>>PARIS >>>loving analog mixing golden ears types have suggestions for a better box >>>to be used to plug a bass directly into a mixer or recording device? >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>TCB >> > >Didn't mean to be harsh, just wanted to be sure I'm not misquoted. 'Cause then later someone will say, 'But you said [some religion] was primitive.' Happy new year, TCB "bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote: > >Yes, it was you. And I stand corrected. Thanks. > > >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: >> >>I think you might be referring to me and if so I want to be strict, I referred >>to them (as in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) as 'revealed desert religions' >>not 'primitive desert religions.' By revealed I mean that all three claim >>to have a book that is the True Word of God, and oddly enough it's the same >>god, go figure. It's hard to remember sometimes in the West but there are >>other kinds of religions. Mystery cults, for example, put an initiate through >>a serious of experiences, trials, and rituals but do not have books with >>codes of laws and such. Each individual will arrive at much the same conclusion, >>it is assumed, but mystery cults don't usually tell you that bacon is off >>limits. >> >>One of the greatest things about traveling in Asia, which I've only done >>for a few weeks a few times, is getting away from the whole Abrahamic vengeful >>sky god thing. I have spent time in Thailand and Japan and it takes a few >>days to catch on but after a while for an atheist like me there's this moment >>where you realize, 'Nobody here cares about Jesus here. At all. He might >>as well be Zoroaster to these people.' In Japan they make fun of their own >>religion, by and large, and in Thailand everyone is a Buddhist, and it's >>sort of like Christianity here. There are crazy fundamentalist Buddhists >>and there are people who enjoy a little incense and a gong now and then >but >>don't bother much beyond that. >> >>Anyway, if you were referring to me I said 'revealed' not 'primitive.' >> >>TCB >> >>P.S. If anyone thinks I'm a Christ hater, at lunch last week in my office >>I was trying to convince one of my Indian (as in South Asia, not American) >>and Hindu co-workers that we should start a chain of Bombay themed steak >>houses called 'Holy Cow!' The pitch would be that a worshiped cow must automatically >>taste better. Luckily for me she has a sense of humor. >> >>"bunuel" <bunuel@conair.fr> wrote: >>> >>>Childish. >>>What's all the red stuff? Oh, it's a lake of fire. Oy! For pity's sake. >>The >>>Islamists have some bizarre ideas about the afterlife,...virgins and whatnot..., >>>but a lake of fire? Primitive desert religions, as one of our colleagues >>>has remarked. Primitive. >>> >>>Anyway, you enjoy your weenie roast, if it comforts you. There really wasn't >>>that much else, re Iraq, to write home about this year,was there? Oh, there >>>was Zarqawi as well, of course. Anybody remember him? Anybody? Anybody? >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>"DC" <dc@spammersinlalaland.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>For the humor-impaired... >>> >> >Purty! chas On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:19:15 -0600, "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: >This might fit the bill for you, if you're into passing through what's >there. Make sure you also use a good quality cable, no HOSA crap. >Personally, I'm using the Monster Bass, YMMV. >Try ebay to see if you can locate one of these, no idea what they're going >for. > >If you're more into even order harmonics, you might try getting a tube pre >with an instrument in. > >Or another SANS since you know what you had and liked it. > >AA > >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4598663c$1@linux... >> >> Remember that scene in the first Star Wars where Han Yo-Yo is getting the >> Millennium Falcon ready to take Whiny Luke and Slinky Leia of to see, >> well, >> something important I forget now. Or maybe Slinky Leia wasn't there yet, >> it was just the Whiny Luke and Whiny C3P0 and Perky Little R2 at that >> point. >> Anyway, in a very slapstick moment that was sadly missing from the later >> Star Wars movies, Harrison Ford as Yo-Yo is all talking up his ship up >> like >> it's the most BALLING thing ever and it did the something or another run >> while making parsec tea and all. So they're finally ready to go and fight >> the Greatest Battle in History of the Galaxy but first they have to hire >> Yo-Yo to taxi them there 'cause they don't have any money and they live on >> this shitstorm little backwater planet that's like the Kearney, Nebraska >> of the galaxy and the best they can find to get them to the Greatest >> Battle >> in the History of the Galaxy is this shady drug/gun/whatever runner they >> met in a bar. So Yo-Yo jumps in the pilot seat and flips a bunch of >> switches >> and fires up his shitty jalopy of a Millennium Falcon and it makes all of >> these cool noises and beeps and the engines start to whine and the lights >> are all flashing and then it goes >> BBBBBBRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMPPP >> and all the lights turn off? Well, that's kind of how I feel getting my >> studio >> up and running again, expect of course that I don't have any androids in >> my house or a Wookie either, which is probably good because I have a cat >> and if he could beat me at chess like a Wookie could well, screw me I'd >> have >> to give him tuna fish EVERY DAY. >> >> All of which is to say that I was getting out my bass to start working on >> a couple tracks on my fancy new Millennium Falcon DAW and . . . my SansAMP >> Bass DI has gone to the great DI hereafter where I'm sure at this moment >> it's covorting with it's bass DI family in eternal bottom crunching bliss. >> Now then, I'm a dub/reggae/electronica guy so I'm EXTREMELY picky about >> bass >> sounds, and most of the time I like to actually play them. I can program >> a bass line but bass needs to be one of the really organic sounds in the >> kind of music I make which can sound very non-organic at times. Here's >> what >> I liked about the SansAMP. >> >> - it was happy to work with any kind of bass. It would boost the lowest >> output >> Danelectro to mixer burning levels, but happily deal with a fancy new >> active >> bass as well. >> >> - it didn't have much color on its own, but it also got everything out of >> the bass. That is, it didn't sound 'cool' like an Ampeg mic'ed up, but it >> would dutifully pass all of the frequencies coming out of the bass, at >> very >> least, and let me work with them later in the mixer with EQ and >> compression >> and so on. >> >> - but even so the EQ could be useful in many situations. >> >> - it had multiple outputs, XLRs, quarter inch, pass through, etc. >> >> Now then, I'm more than happy to just get another SansAMP but do you PARIS >> loving analog mixing golden ears types have suggestions for a better box >> to be used to plug a bass directly into a mixer or recording device? >> >> Thanks, >> >> TCB >Gantt, you can use the waves in paris.. "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote: > >Aargh! Another plugin I can't use in Paris! Which bundle does it come in? > >Thanks, > >Gantt > >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >> >>Gantt, >>Waves have a similar SPL plugin called "Trans-X" http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=119 >Not to complain, but -- has their maybe been a recent (possibly unauthorized) augmentation of your caffeine uptake? -- anyway, Happy New Year to you -- may your DI's be merry and bright... -- chas. On 1 Jan 2007 12:39:08 +1000, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: > >Remember that scene in the first Star Wars where Han Yo-Yo is getting the >Millennium Falcon ready to take Whiny Luke and Slinky Leia of to see, well, >something important I forget now. Or maybe Slinky Leia wasn't there yet, >it was just the Whiny Luke and Whiny C3P0 and Perky Little R2 at that point. >Anyway, in a very slapstick moment that was sadly missing from the later >Star Wars movies, Harrison Ford as Yo-Yo is all talking up his ship up like >it's the most BALLING thing ever and it did the something or another run >while making parsec tea and all. So they're finally ready to go and fight >the Greatest Battle in History of the Galaxy but first they have to hire >Yo-Yo to taxi them there 'cause they don't have any money and they live on >this shitstorm little backwater planet that's like the Kearney, Nebraska >of the galaxy and the best they can find to get them to the Greatest Battle >in the History of the Galaxy is this shady drug/gun/whatever runner they >met in a bar. So Yo-Yo jumps in the pilot seat and flips a bunch of switches >and fires up his shitty jalopy of a Millennium Falcon and it makes all of >these cool noises and beeps and the engines start to whine and the lights >are all flashing and then it goes BBBBBBRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMPPP >and all the lights turn off? Well, that's kind of how I feel getting my studio >up and running again, expect of course that I don't have any androids in >my house or a Wookie either, which is probably good because I have a cat >and if he could beat me at chess like a Wookie could well, screw me I'd have >to give him tuna fish EVERY DAY. > >All of which is to say that I was getting out my bass to start working on >a couple tracks on my fancy new Millennium Falcon DAW and . . . my SansAMP >Bass DI has gone to the great DI hereafter where I'm sure at this moment >it's covorting with it's bass DI family in eternal bottom crunching bliss. >Now then, I'm a dub/reggae/electronica guy so I'm EXTREMELY picky about bass >sounds, and most of the time I like to actually play them. I can program >a bass line but bass needs to be one of the really organic sounds in the >kind of music I make which can sound very non-organic at times. Here's what >I liked about the SansAMP. > >- it was happy to work with any kind of bass. It would boost the lowest output >Danelectro to mixer burning levels, but happily deal with a fancy new active >bass as well. > >- it didn't have much color on its own, but it also got everything out of >the bass. That is, it didn't sound 'cool' like an Ampeg mic'ed up, but it >would dutifully pass all of the frequencies coming out of the bass, at very >least, and let me work with them later in the mixer with EQ and compression >and so on. > >- but even so the EQ could be useful in many situations. > >- it had multiple outputs, XLRs, quarter inch, pass through, etc. > >Now then, I'm more than happy to just get another SansAMP but do you PARIS >loving analog mixing golden ears types have suggestions for a better box >to be used to plug a bass directly into a mixer or recording device? > >Thanks, > >TCBFurther on this: here's a good representation of the setup at my house... -- chas On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 11:55:08 -0800, Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote: >Not to complain, but -- has their maybe been a recent (possibly >unauthorized) augmentation of your caffeine uptake? > >-- anyway, Happy New Year to you -- may your DI's be merry and >bright... > >-- chas. > > >On 1 Jan 2007 12:39:08 +1000, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: > >> >>Remember that scene in the first Star Wars where Han Yo-Yo is getting the >>Millennium Falcon ready to take Whiny Luke and Slinky Leia of to see, well, >>something important I forget now. Or maybe Slinky Leia wasn't there yet, >>it was just the Whiny Luke and Whiny C3P0 and Perky Little R2 at that point. >>Anyway, in a very slapstick moment that was sadly missing from the later >>Star Wars movies, Harrison Ford as Yo-Yo is all talking up his ship up like >>it's the most BALLING thing ever and it did the something or another run >>while making parsec tea and all. So they're finally ready to go and fight >>the Greatest Battle in History of the Galaxy but first they have to hire >>Yo-Yo to taxi them there 'cause they don't have any money and they live on >>this shitstorm little backwater planet that's like the Kearney, Nebraska >>of the galaxy and the best they can find to get them to the Greatest Battle >>in the History of the Galaxy is this shady drug/gun/whatever runner they >>met in a bar. So Yo-Yo jumps in the pilot seat and flips a bunch of switches >>and fires up his shitty jalopy of a Millennium Falcon and it makes all of >>these cool noises and beeps and the engines start to whine and the lights >>are all flashing and then it goes BBBBBBRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMPPP >>and all the lights turn off? Well, that's kind of how I feel getting my studio >>up and running again, expect of course that I don't have any androids in >>my house or a Wookie either, which is probably good because I have a cat >>and if he could beat me at chess like a Wookie could well, screw me I'd have >>to give him tuna fish EVERY DAY. >> >>All of which is to say that I was getting out my bass to start working on >>a couple tracks on my fancy new Millennium Falcon DAW and . . . my SansAMP >>Bass DI has gone to the great DI hereafter where I'm sure at this moment >>it's covorting with it's bass DI family in eternal bottom crunching bliss. >>Now then, I'm a dub/reggae/electronica guy so I'm EXTREMELY picky about bass >>sounds, and most of the time I like to actually play them. I can program >>a bass line but bass needs to be one of the really organic sounds in the >>kind of music I make which can sound very non-organic at times. Here's what >>I liked about the SansAMP. >> >>- it was happy to work with any kind of bass. It would boost the lowest output >>Danelectro to mixer burning levels, but happily deal with a fancy ne
Re: LCD monitors and Paris/dual monitors
an epidemic of this style of "argument" these days. As can be said about many an armchair general, that he will never "assume the mantle of generalship" (as he puts it) is probably no great loss to our military. In Hanson's article he appears to take whatever facts are at hand and bend them to attack the things he didn't like anyway, for example socialism. If there were no Islam, I get the strong impression he'd use something else to argue against what he doesn't like. I don't argue with the facts, when they are actual facts. But when leaps to conclusions are preordained rather than actually deduced, they must be taken with a grain of salt. I also see that he exaggerates, generalizes, scapegoats and thoroughly enjoys tipping his pet straw men. Apparently he means this to be impressive but I think it seriously detracts from his message. The funk shoot last night was a blast. Cheers, -Jamie www.JamieKrutz.com Jamie K wrote: > Deej, I'll have time to follow Don's links tomorrow. Be glad to discuss > it. Right now I'm prepping for a concert shoot with a funky horn band > (woo!). > > Happy New Year! Stay safe and drive sober... > > Cheers, > -Jamie > www.JamieKrutz.com > > PS. Did you get any of this snow over there? We dodged a bullet with > this last storm, only 10 inches. After several feet from last week's > blizzard. > > > DJ wrote: >> Jamie, >> >> Did you read the link to the article he posted by Victor Hanson? Do >> you find anything there at remotely resembles reality from your point >> of view? >> >> Regards, >> >> Deej >> >> >> >> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message >> news:45980a4e$1@linux... >>> Pot calling kettle? Your lack of respect for anyone who disagrees >>> with you politically is clear in this post and even in some of your >>> "jokes." It's odd, because you're not a dumb guy. >>> >>> We're all free to have our opinions, Don, even ironic self righteous >>> grumbling about what you may perceive as self righteous grumbling. >>> >>> Your gear posts are generally more cogent than the talking points and >>> ad hominem stances you sometimes serve up in political threads, but >>> thanks for adding your flavors to the stew. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> -Jamie >>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>> >>> >>> DC wrote: >>>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like >>>> you, >>>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia. >>>> >>>> Want to save yourselves? >>>> >>>> Start here: >>>> >>>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html >>>> >>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563 >>>> >>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective. >>>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, >>>> for >>>> you >>>> things get much worse than the articles above present. >>>> >>>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, >>>> you can >>>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and >>>> somewhere in >>>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great >>>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the >>>> self-righteous, >>>> >>>> and tell the truth. >>>> >>>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have >>>> a damn >>>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I >>>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your >>>> welfare >>>> >>>> I am interested in. Contrast that with the derision coming from >>>> your side... >>>> >>>> DC >>>> >>>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi , >>>>> When is the time for others? >>>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so.... >>>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan >>>>> ,Palestina >>>>> .... >>>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before >>>>> give youre >>>>> opinion about other poeple or country. >>>>> Remember Hiroshima and others. >>>>> I'm curieus about the reactions. >>>>> Happy new year!!! >>>>> >>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when >>>>>> he saw >>>>> the >>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux... >>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning.... >> >>Just got around to reading the original link - this could be the end of Windows. And I agree with you as well Lamont. Imho, both Microsoft and Apple have done a lot to advance the personal computer industry, but they have also conveniently crippled it for the sake of profit margin, just like most major US companies are doing now. If I were Warren Buffet, I would buy a linux company, load them up with marketing and development capabilities and blitz the crap out of both Microsoft and Apple at their own game, and build a system for consumers rather than Sony, Disney and Microsoft/Apple. Regards, Dedric On 12/28/06 8:26 PM, in article 459487f6@linux, "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: > We agree LaMont. You were reading my mind. > > ;o) > > > "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4594196e$1@linux... >> >> Hi James, >> >> I think the dislike comes on 2 fronts: >> >> -1 When Mr Jobs stopped the Mac Clone industry. That really pissed alot of >> Mac owners(Me included) off. They Apple were getting handed their lunch by >> the clone macs. >> >> -2 The "over-hype" if you will, of the G4 prowess. As well as the G5. He >> outright lied on it's performance capabilities. And, he continued to lie >> when the G5 came out. >> Too much hype that good people bought into. Then, to turn around and start >> using the very same processor that you stated the G4 &G5 was superior to. >> This pissed 'real" computer people off , and he (Jobs) really disccredited >> himself in the overall computer industry. >> >> Yes Apple is properous again, but he's left too many bloody trails of G4's >> & G5 to be given a pass. >> >> Remember all the Mac vs PC wars where good Mac owners knowinly or not >> knowinglly >> argued totheir were blue in the face. Convinced that the Mac they just >> purchased >> was "light years" faster than the current Intel offerings.. Bogus Adobe >> Speed test, and the like.. >> >> Then to add insult to injury, the stop development for Logic Windows!!! >> Never >> mind good people paid good money for that hal-baked- audio >> recoreder/editor, >> midi sequencer. Thinking most of us Logic Win users would switch over.. >> wel, >> most went straight to Cubase. The others, Sonar,and even DP..But, most >> went >> to Cuabse. >> >> As a PC user (Intel/AMD) these statements from Mr Jobs were "offensive" >> and >> begs for an Appology to all PC (windows) users. ANd, and Applogy to all >> Mac >> zealots who bought in to the CPU G4/G5 speed hype. >> >> So, James, it's easy to see why the mention of Me Jobs stirs such venom.. >> >> Take care, >> LaMont >> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote: >>>> HI, >>>> To me this more than ever a time for the Linux folks to setup. I dislike >>> >>>> Microsoft and Apple pretty much equally. Given the chance Jobs be as big >>> >>>> as bully and buffoon as Gates. This would be a great time for higher end >>> >>>> niche type companies to really look into Linux support. I think they >>>> would greatly benefit from it big time at this point. Allot less >>>> politics involved then in the Windows and Apple world and much more >>>> quality of the end product. Some companies might be hit by that hard if >>> >>>> they have Windows or OSX centric code base like Cakewalk or Magix. >>>> Sense Apple have "borrowed" a UNIX/BSD core and MS have reinvented >>>> windows 3.1 with the shell that looks like OSX why not just go directly >>> >>>> to Linux and cut out the retarded middle men. Glad Steinberg do their >> >>>> base development for Cubase and Nuendo in a Linux environment. Don't >>>> forget they had a fully functional version on Nuendo back when Be OS was >>> >>>> around. Worked great with my RME Digi968 card. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>> >>> Why do so many people dislike Steve Jobs so much? Have you ever >>> considered >>> what he did for the (PC) Personal Computer industry, and how it has >>> benefitted >>> all of us? >>> >>> Chris, do you call Steve Jobs a bully because you heard the rumors that >> he >>> was a tuff boss, that he was anal about his vision and the direction of >> the >>> company he started? Can you really blame him? I think his feud with John >>> Sculley has now proven that Steve Jobs was right. Scully, along with Gil >>> Amelio, ran Apple in to the ground. It wasn't until Steve Jobs came back >>> to Apple that Apple started to prosper again. >>> >>
> Had it all been left up to IBM, at best we might have expensive IBM >>> terminals >>> in business. Had it been left to Microsoft, you might be still typing >>> command >>> lines in DOS 2007. (Dumb Operating System 2007) >>> >>> The PC industry certainly wouldn't be where it is today, if it wasn't for >>> Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak. >>> >>> I don't get the disregard. >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>>> >>>> TCB wrote: >>>> >>>>> "John" &lt
t;> funnel >>>>> all of their content via MSoft authentication. Sony, Warner Brothers, >> Comcast, >>>>> and a host of other content providers, bandwidth sellers, and >>>>> hardware/software >>>>> vendors with deep pockets have an interest in seeing this not happen. >> >>>>> >>>>> I was really scared when tech cratered in 2001 that it would become a >> MSoft >>>>> world, simply because nobody could afford to fight them. But thanks to >>> some >>>>> people waking up and the massive amount of money (and breathtaking >>>>> profit >>>>> margins) finally being generated by internet advertising that's not the >>> case. >>>>> MSoft had its nose bloodied severely at the outset of the console war, >>> until >>>>> Sony decided it would do the nice thing and blow itself to bits. Apple >>> essentially >>>>> owns the consumer downloaded audio market, which bloodied both MSoft and >>>>> Sony noses. And, closest to my heart, after tech cratered the _real_ >>>>> free >>>>> software projects, Apache, Perl, the kernel, Debian, Gnome, etc. kept >> right >>>>> on going just like they had before. They didn't need sleezy VC money in >>> 1995 >>>>> and they don't need it now, and they don't need MSoft either. >>>>> >>>>> TCB >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chris Ludwig >>>> ADK >>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com> >>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/> >>>> (859) 635-5762 >>> >> > >Paul, I talked to one of the company reps a few months ago (trying to figure out a way to bastardize one of these into accepting PCI cards so I could run UAD-1 plugins via lightpipe ;o) and he told me that these were actually running BEOS. Cheers, Deej "Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message news:k5ngp2pkjviqmdpoq4ad02kb5c0935m6jp@4ax.com... > Actually, I am considering both the VM and VPN solutions. Basically, I > want to run Paris on a WindowsME box but have dual 22" widescreen > (1680x1050@60Hz) displays. The mofo of this whole situation is that > collection of parameters leads to the old pick 2 of 3 choice of: > > 1. Support for 1680x1050@60Hz; > 2. AGP card; > 3. WindowsME drivers. > > What really got me wondering about the VM solution is my Muse Receptor > - a linux computer running a Windows virtually to play VST and VSTi. > The Windows VM can see the audio hardware in the box, and all this is > running extremely efficiently and with no (essentially) latency. > > Like so many here, I am not ready to cash in my Paris chips, but I am > hanging on by the fingernails! > > - Paul Artola > Ellicott City, Maryland > > > On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:48:20 -0600, "Aaron Allen" > <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: > >>We might be discussing two different things.. you're talking about Virtual >>Private Networking, and Paul is talking about a Virtual Machine >>installation >>(basically, an OS installed inside of another OS for testing purposes that >>share the same computer at the same time)... >> >>AA >> >> >>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45982837@linux... >>> For rehearsals for my 50th bash I used a laptop loaded with VPN to >>> control >>> Paris in my mixing room via a LAN cable and I have also used a wireless >>> router successfully...the response was a tad sluggish but it was >>> functional. >>> >>> Don >>> >>> >>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message >>> news:45982117@linux... >>>> haven't tried that but the architecture as I understand it wouldn't >>>> allow >>>> VM to run hardware. >>>> AA >>>> >>>> >>>> "Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>> news:jo4gp21d421tacgnsmhdj5cmobnrf1inee@4ax.com... >>>>> Has anyone ever tried running Paris inside a virtual machine? I am >>>>> thinking along the lines of running a WindowsME virtual machine inside >>>>> WindowsXP. Would the hardware drivers pass thru? >>>>> >>>>> In a related question, could one use the remote control feature in XP >>>>> to control a WinME/Paris box on the network? >>>>> >>>>> This all gets back to me wanting to run dual 22" widescreen monitors >>>>> with my Paris system, but unable to find the right mix of >>>>> modern/classic hardware and drivers. >>>>> >>>>> - Paul Artola >>>>> Ellicott City, Maryland >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> Remember, you really need a 64 bit (integer, remember, the native audio math > is a float an
yway) OS if you want to address for than 4 GB of RAM. I can't > see that being necessary for audio apps any time in the next few years. > Hi Thad - I may be misreading what your last comment was referring, but needing more than 4G is a significant issue with sample libraries. The apps don't need it and shouldn't for many years, but to run large sample libraries, it's already a big limitation, and has been for a while. Many composers have many PCs to host all the VSTi's and sample libraries (one I know of has over 30) - limited ram and cpu power being the two main reasons. For most audio/music app users 4G is enough, but if XP supported it (doesn't actually even access all of 4G - more like 3.2G), I could use well over 4G now. If Vista really is the dog it sounds like, the audio industry may become Mac-only, not Mac-centric as it once was, but Mac only, at least once XP is mothballed by app developers. This "Vista" Microsoft thinks they are viewing a lucrative plain from may actually be Death Valley for them in the professional media industry. The same questions and speculations are circulating video production forums. The movie industry is making some of the same mistakes - too much protection and you isolate yourself to the point of starvation. If you hear any rumors or reason to think that Linux may be making some headway in the pro audio/music world, keep us updated. I'm all for a 3rd option to shake things up, or at least give us a viable pro audio/music platform. I would lose so many apps going to Macs now it just doesn't make sense yet, but may later this year - once Nuendo has a univ. binary version at least. I'm not fond of some things Apple has done and a big part of its' business model, but if the lesser of two evils is a closed platform (Mac-OSX) vs. one that doesn't even work with pro audio gear (PC-Vista), I'll buy a Mac, unless another OS makes a resounding splash. Time will tell I guess. Regards, Dedric On 12/26/06 5:39 PM, in article 4591b2a9$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote: > > TCB > > "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >> The more I hear about Vista, the more I am thinking about (gasp!!!!) >> switching to a Mac. Looks like they've got the 64 bit OS situation well > >> covered and Vista looks to be a cluster**** looking for a place to happen. >> >> damn!!!...........democrats running congress and now this??????..........I > >> never thought things would get this bad. Next thing you know, pigs are gonna > >> be leaving contrails in the stratosphere. >> >> ;o( >> >> >> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45917d15$1@linux... >>> >>> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt >> >> >Alas, not in Mac OS 9... Gantt "lamont" <jjd@ameritech.net> wrote: > >Gantt, you can use the waves in paris.. > >"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>Aargh! Another plugin I can't use in Paris! Which bundle does it come >in? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Gantt >> >>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >>> >>>Gantt, >>>Waves have a similar SPL plugin called "Trans-X" http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=119 >> >POST SOME MIXES, DAMMIT - WE WANNA HEAR IT! lol CHECK YOUR E-MAIL!!!!! ;o) "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45993350$1@linux... > > "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>Nice setup Neil. You actually have computers that look like computers >>instead of stacks of components in disarray like me..LOL!!! >> >>Here's another dilemma for me. I am digitally interfacing four older >>hardware reverbs (Lexi PCM 91, Quantec Yardstick, Sony DPS V77 and >>Roland R-880 with an RME ADI4-DD). These are only capable of 48k sample > >>rate max but without them I will die. . >> >>Since I use these old hardware processors in parallel, I'm wondering if > I >>would even hear any sonic degradation if I could somehow sync them to >>projects with higher sample >>rates, I was thinking of trying to upsample them using a SRC box of some > >>sort. > > I doubt you'd hear any sonic degradation - they'd sound just > like they ought to sound as long as you had a good SRC. But if > you mean you could try it WITHOUT upsampling them, well, then > this just won't work - the receiving device would either not > recognize the input at all, or it would pass a signal that > sounded something like: "blithr-blathr-bblbblbbl-BLAT!" > >>before I get to far into this higher sample rate stuff, I am going to need > >>to jump through some more insane hoops.either that or start using >>convoverbs > >>or trade my Pulsar Project cards in for Pro models so I can run those nice > >>sonic timeworks and Masterverbs at higher samplerates. I'm thinking >>convolution reverbs would definitely be the cheapest, but then there's the > >>CPU hit. > > And the Pulsarverbs & convoverbs aren't going to to give you > the same sounds as you're getting out of the items you > currently have & like, so you have three options: > > 1.) Never bother with anything above 48k and just keep your > system stable as it is. > 2.) Get one of those newer RME SRC's. > 3.) Run your outboard verbs out & in via analog... ideally, I > know you want to stay in digital, but don't forget, the vast > majority of everything you've heard these reverbs on was done > in analog - they were designed to work primarily in the analog > domain & the digital ins & outs were more or less simply an > afterthought. > >>Now my head even hurts. > > Not as much as mine does when trying to figure out your next > move! lol > > Why don't you quit beta-testing for awhile & make some music > now that you have a stable-as-hell rig that you're loing the > sound of? POST SOME MIXES, DAMMIT - WE WANNA HEAR IT! lol > > NeilI did.. not a thing in there from ya ;P AA "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:4599b6ec$1@linux... > POST SOME MIXES, DAMMIT - WE WANNA HEAR IT! lol > > > CHECK YOUR E-MAIL!!!!! > > ;o) > > "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45993350$1@linux... >> >> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>>Nice setup Neil. You actually have computers that look like computers >>>instead of stacks of components in disarray like me..LOL!!! >>> >>>Here's another dilemma for me. I am digitally interfacing four older >>>hardware reverbs (Lexi PCM 91, Quantec Yardstick, Sony DPS V77 and >>>Rolan
well, then >> this just won't work - the receiving device would either not >> recognize the input at all, or it would pass a signal that >> sounded something like: "blithr-blathr-bblbblbbl-BLAT!" >> >>>before I get to far into this higher sample rate stuff, I am going to >>>need >> >>>to jump through some more insane hoops.either that or start using >>>convoverbs >> >>>or trade my Pulsar Project cards in for Pro models so I can run those >>>nice >> >>>sonic timeworks and Masterverbs at higher samplerates. I'm thinking >>>convolution reverbs would definitely be the cheapest, but then there's >>>the >> >>>CPU hit. >> >> And the Pulsarverbs & convoverbs aren't going to to give you >> the same sounds as you're getting out of the items you >> currently have & like, so you have three options: >> >> 1.) Never bother with anything above 48k and just keep your >> system stable as it is. >> 2.) Get one of those newer RME SRC's. >> 3.) Run your outboard verbs out & in via analog... ideally, I >> know you want to stay in digital, but don't forget, the vast >> majority of everything you've heard these reverbs on was done >> in analog - they were designed to work primarily in the analog >> domain & the digital ins & outs were more or less simply an >> afterthought. >> >>>Now my head even hurts. >> >> Not as much as mine does when trying to figure out your next >> move! lol >> >> Why don't you quit beta-testing for awhile & make some music >> now that you have a stable-as-hell rig that you're loing the >> sound of? POST SOME MIXES, DAMMIT - WE WANNA HEAR IT! lol >> >> Neil > >"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >POST SOME MIXES, DAMMIT - WE WANNA HEAR IT! lol > > >CHECK YOUR E-MAIL!!!!! I did... yours rocks - the one on their website blows - yours is WAY cleaner... the other one sounds like it was recorded on a Peavey console with nothing but SM-57's by comparison. They re-recorded this elsewhere WHY? NeilGantt, you need to PC :) "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote: > >Alas, not in Mac OS 9... > >Gantt > >"lamont" <jjd@ameritech.net> wrote: >> >>Gantt, you can use the waves in paris.. >> >>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>>Aargh! Another plugin I can't use in Paris! Which bundle does it come >>in? >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Gantt >>> >>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>Gantt, >>>>Waves have a similar SPL plugin called "Trans-X" http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=119 >>> >> >"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote: >> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote in message >>> hehehe, >>> >>> A guy I know up here in Toronto started a successful Chinese food chain, >>> >>> called "Holy Chow". Made millions. >>> >>> Ted >>> >> >> In Ottawa it's Ho-Lee-Chow...excellent Chinese food by the way > > >NOT!!!!! > > Right on both counts...I saw on the planetz forum DJ mentioned there were some summing tests that Neil did posted here yet I can't find them. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Jesse"Jesse Skeens" <jskeens@gmail.com> wrote: > >I saw on the planetz forum DJ mentioned there were some summing tests that >Neil did posted here yet I can't find them. > >Can anyone point me in the right direction? There's just this one posted so far... I've got a couple others almost ready. http://www.saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/DracoClip-ITBvsStemm edIntoPulsar.mp3 NeilWhile what you say about sample libraries is true, pro audio is already a tiny market for mainstream software/hardware vendors, and the subset of people who fit your description in the pro audio world is a small subset of that. I would expect that companies would rather build 64 bit XP drivers than Vista drivers under most circumstances. I don't think any vendors will get on the linux bus any time soon. It takes some real forward thinking to do that right, and I don't see a combination of hardware/software ready to take that leap. Also, something like ASIO and VST would have to go to linux, and I don't see Steinberg (or anyone else) doing that under the GPL, which is how it would make the most sense. But we can hope, I guess. TCB Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >> Remember, you really need a 64 bit (integer, remember, the native audio math >> is a float anyway) OS if you want to address for than 4 GB of RAM. I can't >> see that being necessary for audio apps any time in the next few years. >> > >Hi Thad - I may be misreading what your last comment was referring, but >needing more than 4G is a significant issue with sample libraries. >The apps don't need it and shouldn't for many years, but to run large sample >libraries, it's already a big limitation, and has been for a while. > >Many composers have many PCs to host all the VSTi's and sample libraries >(one I know of has over 30) - limited ram and cpu power being the two main >reasons. For most audio/music app users 4G is enough, but if XP supported >it (doesn't actually even access all of 4G - more like 3.2G), I could use >well over 4G now. > >If Vista really is the dog it sounds like, the audio industry may become >Mac-only, not Mac-centric as it once was, but Mac only, at least once XP is >mothballed by app developers. This "Vista" Microsoft thinks they are >viewing a lucrative plain from may actually be Death Valley for them in the >professional media industry. The same questions and speculations are >circulating video production forums. The movie industry is making some of >the same mistakes - too much protection and you isolate yourself to the >point of starvation. > >If you hear any rumors or reason to think that Linux may be making some >headway in the pro audio/music world, keep us updated. I'm all for a 3rd >option to shake things up, or at least give us a viable pro audio/music >platform. I would lose so many apps going to Macs now it just doesn't make >sense yet, but may later this year - once Nuendo has a univ. binary version >at least. > >I'm not fond of some things Apple has done and a big part of its' business >model, but if the lesser of two evils is a closed platform (Mac-OSX) vs. one >that doesn't even work with pro audio gear (PC-Vista), I'll buy a Mac, >unless another OS makes a resounding splash. Time will tell I guess. > >Regards, >Dedric > >On 12/26/06 5:39 PM, in article 4591b2a9$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> >wrote: > > >> >> TCB >> >> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >>> The more I hear about Vista, the more I am thinking about (gasp!!!!) >>> switching to a Mac. Looks like they've got the 64 bit OS situation well >> >>> covered and Vista looks to be a cluster**** looking for a place to happen. >>> >>> damn!!!...........democrats running congress and now this??????..........I >> >>> never thought things would get this bad. Next thing you know, pigs are gonna >> >>> be leaving contrails in the stratosphere. >>> >>> ;o( >>> >>> >>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45917d15$<a hr