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description: ng. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Chri
creator: Carl Amburn
date: 2006-11-10T19:07:14-00:00

Re: cubase 2.0 vst instrument rendering question
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description: g a real profit and not > loses on plugins. > So what gives..?? > > > c Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >>On 12/2/06 9:31 AM, in article 45719c34$1@linux, "LaMont" >><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> They recently interviewd the UAD guys and the big question was put to > them: >>> 'Why not add more power to the card"? >>> >>> UAD: answer was : Because they could not find a "cost-effective "DSp >>> that >>> would not raise the price of the card??? >> >>UA is a very small company. This is the same necessity of survival that >>has locked Digidesign into using Motorola dsps that are far from cutting >>edge. >> >>It's very expensive to change course completely with dsp or cpu based >>development, or start from scratch without $5,000,000 in development >>budget >>and base a product around a higher end dsp, *and* expect it to pay for >>itself. >> >>Joe Bryan addressed this in an interview with Sound on Sound a year or two >>ago. They didn't have a ton of capital at startup, so the card had to be >>affordable to sell enough to pay for itself, and feasible for a limited >>development team. Fairlight has taken a more expensive development route >>with the CC-1. That's probably part of the reason they are only bundling > it >>with Dream systems, and selling different track counts/processing >>capability >>levels as licenses at different price points - to ensure they make up the >>heavy development cost. >> >>I'm not trying to defend UA other than understanding their business model. >>But imho, too many users seem to blame companies for trying to run a >>profitable business when the same users are making equally biased >>decisions >>for exactly the same reason: wanting cheaper more capable products in >>order >>to spend less and make more; or buy marketing hype because xyz producer > made >>a hit record with that gear. >> >>I do agree the vintage gear craze is absurd beyond belief. To me there > is >>some great character and quality in some vintage gear, but not all has…
creator: Tom Bruhl
date: 2006-11-10T19:53:54-00:00

Re: cubase 2.0 vst instrument rendering question
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description: t;> that >>>> would not raise the price of the card??? >>> >>>UA is a very small company. This is the same necessity of survival that >>>has locked Digidesign into using Motorola dsps that are far from cutting >>>edge. >>> >>>It's very expensive to change course completely with dsp or cpu based >>>development, or start from scratch without $5,000,000 in development >>>budget >>>and base a product around a higher end dsp, *and* expect it to pay for >>>itself. >>> >>>Joe Bryan addressed this in an interview with Sound on Sound a year or two >>>ago. They didn't have a ton of capital at startup, so the card had to be >>>affordable to sell enough to pay for itself, and feasible for a limited >>>development team. Fairlight has taken a more expensive development route >>>with the CC-1. That's probably part of the reason they are only bundling >> it >>>with Dream systems, and selling different track counts/processing >>>capability >>>levels as licenses at different price points - to ensure they make up the >>>heavy development cost. >>> >>>I'm not trying to defend UA other than understanding their business model. >>>But imho, too many users seem to blame companies for trying to run a >>>profitable business when the same users are making equally biased >>>decisions >>>for exactly the same reason: wanting cheaper more capable products in >>>order >>>to spend less and make more; or buy marketing hype because xyz producer >> made >>>a hit record with that gear. >>> >>>I do agree the vintage gear craze is absurd beyond belief. To me there >> is >>>some great character and quality in some vintage gear, but not all has the >>>quality available today. There is way too much "follow the leader" bad >>>engineering going on, and companies are all to happy to appeal to whatever >>>sells. >>> >>>Dedric >>> >> > >I've heard from a friend that the BlueBird is nice (on female vox). Anyone tried that one? I've also been looking at these: http://www.rotundrascal.com/Custom%20Microphones.htm a…
creator: Carl Amburn
date: 2006-11-10T20:03:41-00:00

Re: cubase 2.0 vst instrument rendering question
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description: ough I'm not anywhere near that scale of outboard gear, I can see, and feel the need to greatly expand my rig in my work more and more now. I'm getting ready to put together a rather involved and dynamic piece for a new demo - I'll email you a link when it's done. > Heh. My timpani and horns are very good about not dropping out, (that is, > ever since that one Logic bug was finally fixed, grrrr!) and they all live > happily on one box. > That really depends on the percussionist though. Some guys are more reliable than others, esp. if they are former rock drummers. ;-) Hey, the trumpet player fell asleep during my wedding....didn't even take a timpani roll to get him to drop out. He did come back for the recessional though. :-) With a larger templates I use up most of my Ram, and since one of the crescendo Fr.Horn instruments I use is actually a mod-wheel dynamic crossfade of three sample sets, as are the timpani modwheel crossfade instruments, they tend to suck down any remaining ram and cpu power very fast when a lot of other instruments are loaded and running. > I used to sync via SMPTE to a BetaCamSP deck. Now I run the video in > Logic, too, as Quicktime. Very slick, SMPTE offset, automatic scene > detection, import/export audio from the video. I've also used Soundtrack > Pro in a similar way, but much prefer to compose in Logic. Either way, > it's all on one box. Apple has video down cold - H.264 is a superb codec, but sadly doesn't work with Nuendo(PC- too bad). AVI works fine but I've never been happy with compression and size vs. quality tradeoffs. Inline video in Nuendo actually works very well - Quicktime MJpeg works well here though better when encoded with Vegas than Quicktime Pro oddly. (I usually run a compressed 320x240 window in Nuendo locally just for sync and spotting). I also have a PC sync'd via System Link running full screen DV (720x480) MJpeg (Quicktime playback in Cubase 4) - looks quite good for client previews (not as clear as HD or externa…
creator: AlexPlasko
date: 2006-11-10T20:14:09-00:00

Re: cubase 2.0 vst instrument rendering question
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description: ht in UAD land with concernng the UAD powered > plugins > business model. Factor in this : > > -Their plugins have never been hacked, nor iare being sold on the black > market. > > So, unlike other Plugin manufactuers, their seeing a real profit and not > loses on plugins. > So what gives..?? > > > c Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >>On 12/2/06 9:31 AM, in article 45719c34$1@linux, "LaMont" >><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> They recently interviewd the UAD guys and the big question was put to > them: >>> 'Why not add more power to the card"? >>> >>> UAD: answer was : Because they could not find a "cost-effective "DSp >>> that >>> would not raise the price of the card??? >> >>UA is a very small company. This is the same necessity of survival that >>has locked Digidesign into using Motorola dsps that are far from cutting >>edge. >> >>It's very expensive to change course completely with dsp or cpu based >>development, or start from scratch without $5,000,000 in development >>budget >>and base a product around a higher end dsp, *and* expect it to pay for >>itself. >> >>Joe Bryan addressed this in an interview with Sound on Sound a year or two >>ago. They didn't have a ton of capital at startup, so the card had to be >>affordable to sell enough to pay for itself, and feasible for a limited >>development team. Fairlight has taken a more expensive development route >>with the CC-1. That's probably part of the reason they are only bundling > it >>with Dream systems, and selling different track counts/processing >>capability >>levels as licenses at different price points - to ensure they make up the >>heavy development cost. >> >>I'm not trying to defend UA other than understanding their business model. >>But imho, too many users seem to blame companies for trying to run a >>profitable business when the same users are making equally biased >>decisions >>for exactly the same reason: wanting cheaper more capable products in >>order >>to spend less and make more; or b…
creator: Carl Amburn
date: 2006-11-10T20:16:10-00:00

Re: cubase 2.0 vst instrument rendering question
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description: s are very good about not dropping out, (that is, >>> ever since that one Logic bug was finally fixed, grrrr!) and they all live >>> happily on one box. >>> >> That really depends on the percussionist though. Some guys are more >> reliable than others, esp. if they are former >> rock drummers. ;-) Hey, the trumpet player fell asleep during my >> wedding....didn't even take a timpani roll to >> get him to drop out. He did come back for the recessional though. :-) >> >> With a larger templates I use up most of my Ram, and since one of the >> crescendo Fr.Horn instruments I use is actually a mod-wheel dynamic >> crossfade of three sample sets, >> as are the timpani modwheel crossfade instruments, they tend to suck down >> any remaining ram and cpu power very fast >> when a lot of other instruments are loaded and running. >> >>> I used to sync via SMPTE to a BetaCamSP deck. Now I run the video in >>> Logic, too, as Quicktime. Very slick, SMPTE offset, automatic scene >>> detection, import/export audio from the video. I've also used Soundtrack >>> Pro in a similar way, but much prefer to compose in Logic. Either way, >>> it's all on one box. >> >> Apple has video down cold - H.264 is a superb codec, but sadly doesn't work >> with Nuendo(PC- too bad). >> AVI works fine but I've never been happy with compression and size vs. >> quality tradeoffs. >> Inline video in Nuendo actually works very well - Quicktime MJpeg works well >> here though better when encoded with Vegas >> than Quicktime Pro oddly. (I usually run a compressed 320x240 window in >> Nuendo locally just for sync and spotting). >> I also have a PC sync'd via System Link running full screen DV (720x480) >> MJpeg (Quicktime playback in Cubase 4) - >> looks quite good for client previews (not as clear as HD or external >> monitored DV, but it works well). I'm planning to add a system >> running the new Decklink HDMI PCIe card for full res HD playback to an HD >> LCD TV fairly soon - for eye candy mainly. >> >> It'…
creator: AlexPlasko
date: 2006-11-10T20:36:33-00:00

Re: cubase 2.0 vst instrument rendering question
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description: k streaming for more efficient RAM usage? >> >> Large libraries shouldn't need to be in RAM all at once. I run the NI >> stuff you listed and a bunch of other Audio Unit plugins, including some >> pretty large sample sets, and it's no prob here. Granted I don't run the >> EW stuff and if you're right about EW, I'm glad I don't. >> >> I have 2.5 GB RAM at present and it's been enough so far for some fairly >> large arrangements. Other than the sample-based plugs, some AUs are >> synths that depend more on CPU power than RAM and they run fine in large >> projects as well, with the G5 muscle. Plus live instrument tracks and >> copious FX plugins, no sweat, one box. >> >> What's with 8 PCs recommended to run the EW plugs? If it's just samples, >> that's way overkill for CPU power, assuming they're talking about >> current boxes. >> >> If it's RAM limitations, then A) sample libraries shouldn't have to run >> completely in RAM, and B) current machines have a lot of RAM support >> available to buffer samples - for example 16GB on current MacPro boxes, >> which should be plenty o' RAM for sample buffering. >> >> If it's an HD i/o speed bottleneck for streaming samples, how about >> adding more SATA cards/drives? >> >> I also wonder about the use of 300 tracks. A real orchestra doesn't have >> 300 sections. It doesn't even have 300 individual players. >> >> Are you using 300 tracks on your stuff? I'm not. Shoot me if I do, the >> music would get lost in the overproduction. >> >> Maybe the folks you talked to are just trying to save time preloading a >> lot of plugins they won't necessarily use, that's a choice I guess. But >> it'd be quicker and waste less resources to work out the arrangement >> with fewer plugins (but still plenty). And then add what's needed to >> refine, if anything. I'm not going to fault them for using outboard >> samplers, that just shows they've been around a while, have a lot >> invested in that setup, and it works for them. But anyone starting now…
creator: Carl Amburn
date: 2006-11-10T20:39:40-00:00

Re: cubase 2.0 vst instrument rendering question
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description: >>>> let's >>>>>>> face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have >>>>> that >>>>>>> "one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC.. >>>>>>> And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or even, >>>>>>> shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>
creator: AlexPlasko
date: 2006-11-10T21:16:29-00:00

Re: cubase 2.0 vst instrument rendering question
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description: /BLOCKQUOTE > = ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C717B4.8C45B840--Yeah, chest pains/respiratory distress will get you RIGHT to the front line of the ER. Glad it was nothing serious, and take care, TCB "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: >Sitting at home watching Kiing Kong on HBO Saturday night.. I was taking a >break from dinking around with creating some drum parts with using my Korg >PadKontrol and BFD (a match made in heaven) and I'm happily munching on some >popcorn, watching the part where the guys are tossed to the bottom of the >chasm .............really cool stuff wherein giant bugs and godawful >sabretoothed worms are eating these guys alive when all of a sudden I get >this wierd sensation in my throat. SHIT!!!! (thinks I), I'm starting to >catch a cold. I've got this raw, uncomfortable sensation in my throat and >I'm starting to cough........then this tightness starts in my throat and >them more coughing, and more coughing........and now my lungs are starting >to fill up with fluid and within about 3 min
creator: duncan
date: 2006-11-10T21:31:56-00:00

Re: cubase 2.0 vst instrument rendering question
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description: oaudio.com" target="_blank">chrisl@adkproaudio.comOops. Sorry 'bout that little mixup, but thanks for the word. Sounds pretty cool. TCB TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote: > >Hi Thad, > >Torry here (TC), I'm the guy who bought your RME stuff from you a couple years back.. > >That was me who bought the Orange Tiny Terror (I almost typed "Tiny Tim" :-), unless >Don did also. > >I bought this on site after trying it in the store, but it was one of those "wow" moments, >I was >not shopping for amps at the time. > >It sounds fabulous. Warm, big, smooth. We a/b'd it with a larger Orange head (can't >remember the model) through >a Mesa 4x12, and it sounded noticeable fatter than it's larger sibling. > >Tons of gain, but not ugly, harmonics and overtones come through nicely. It reminds >me a bit of an older modded Fender Reverb >that we once rented for the studio. > >The cleans are nice. It probably won't match a AC30 for that, but still very usable. > >Plus Side: > >3 knobs, easy as pie to get a great sound. >It's the size of a small lunch box or camcorder case. >Carrying bag. >7 or 15 watt output. >Price is excellent >It's quite a bit louder than you would expect > >Down Side: > >It's a single channel. (I bought two of them for gigging with an ABY switch). >Might be hard to get at this point (I bought the only one that came in and ordered the >2nd one). > >At one point I was going to get a Zvex Nano
creator: Carl Amburn
date: 2006-11-10T22:06:47-00:00

Re: cubase 2.0 vst instrument rendering question
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description: for the studio, but running this in 7watt >mode gives me more options, >plus I can actually gig with it. I'm very happy. > > >Cheers, > >TC > > > > > > > > >At the price > >TCB wrote: >> Hey Don, >> >> A friend is thinking of picking up one of those small Orange Class A amps. >> I think you posted you got one. Could you write up a quick opinion/recommendation/warning >> for me? I'll pass it on to him. >> >> TCB http://www.richardthompson-music.com/audio/I_Agree_With_Pat_ Metheny.mp3Hey Neil, Maybe I didn't understand exactly what you are trying to remove. If you can simply smooth over the click's higher frequency modulation on the note waveform, you can remove a short click without damaging the note itself. Where this obviously may not work, or becomes much more difficult is if the two share high frequency content, as it sounds like they might - e.g. the click is increasing the amplitude of high freq. content within the waveform (headphone click track bleed, room noise, etc). It can be done this way, but it can be difficult. If it's an ooh, or oh, you would have a significant lower frequency content in the note, where the click would (likely) have shaper transients, but that doesn't sound like the case here. The only alternatives to doing this in Cubase or other editor is to use something like Samplitude's spectral cleaning. Regards, Dedric "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4576f5f1$1@linux... > > Deej, exactly, but can you do this in the Wave Editor window? > I can do this outside the window, but not inside it... should I > be able to do it inside as well? > > BTW, the phase-flip or silence thing won't work in this > instance, as the two clicks are within a sung note (which is > also why Dedric's idea of pencil-drawing down the waveform won't > work either, becasue all that would do is decrease the amplitude > of that portion of the note, alnog with the click, since the > click is actually softer than the prevailing amplitude of the > note itself). > > …
creator: AlexPlasko
date: 2006-11-10T22:22:09-00:00

Re: cubase 2.0 vst instrument rendering question
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description: br /> > playbacks > maximum attenuation. > > Preset 6 > Description: Submix on SPDIF at -6 dB. As Preset 1, plus submix of all > playbacks > on SPDIF. > > Preset 7 > Description: Submix on SPDIF at -6 dB. As Preset 1, plus submix of all > inputs > and playbacks on SPDIF. > > Preset 8 > Description: Panic. As Preset 4, but playback channels muted too (no > output > signal). > > > Preset Banks > Instead of a single preset, all eight presets can be stored and loaded at > once. This is done via > Menu File, Save All Presets as and Open All Presets (file suffix .mpr). > After > the loading the > presets can be activated by the preset buttons. In case the presets have > been renamed (see > chapter 26.11), these names will be stored and loaded too. > > > > The preset buttons can get meaningful names in the same way. Move the > mouse > above a preset button, a right mouse click will bring up the dialog box. > Note that the name shows up as tool tip only, as soon as the mouse stays > above the preset button. > > The preset button names are not stored in the preset files, but globally > in the registry, so won't change when loading any file or saving any state > as preset. But loading a preset bank (see chapter 26.8) the names will be > updated. > > > > set fader to zero > > > > When you want to set the fader to exactly 0 dB, this can be difficult, > depending > on the mouse configuration. Move the fader close to the 0 position and now > press the Shift-key. This activates the fine-mode, which stretches the > mouse > movements by a factor of 8. In this mode, a gain setting accurate to 0.1 > dB is no problem at all. > > > > set multiple channels > > > > Often signals are stereo, i. e. a pair of two channels. It is therefore > helpful to be able to make the routing settings for two channels at once. > > > Press the Ctrl-key and click into the routing window of 'Out 3' with the > key pressed. The routing list pops up with a checkmark at '3+4'. Click > onto > 'Analog'. Now, chann…
creator: Carl Amburn
date: 2006-11-10T22:46:05-00:00

Re: cubase 2.0 vst instrument rendering question
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description: gt;Wondering if these make the cool giggin' guitar they appear to be (looking at starting a 2 man ac gtr act). Anyone got one/use one/played one/heard one? Mucho Gracias AAHi guys, Do you remember a few months ago we were discussing the new Beatles book that had just been released? Well I can't remember where to get it from, and my wife want's to get it for me for Christmas. Any recollect
creator: AlexPlasko
date: 2006-11-10T23:47:47-00:00

Re: cubase 2.0 vst instrument rendering question
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description: "DC" <dc@spammersingradschool.org> wrote in message news:457912f2$1@linux... > > Seen this? > > Click on the page and it generates an essay for you. A different one each > time, > and none make any sense. Hilarious. > > http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo > > Where's my degree dammit? > > DC >Ditto... PSW has the writers on one of the forums and the additional isights they're sharing are very cool Don "Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:45796652$1@linux... > > > It is an amazing book. > > > > "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote: >> >>www.recordingthebeatles.com >>They're out till "sometime after christmas" though...I had the same >>idea..rats. >> >>Rod >>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >>>Hi guys, >>>Do you remember a few months ago we were discussing the new Beatles book >> >>>that had just been released? >>>Well I can't remember where to get it from, and my wife want's to get it >>for >>>me for Christmas. >>>Any recollections, please. >>>TIA >>>-- >>>Martin Harrington >>>www.lendanear-sound.com >>> >>> >>Aaron, You can contact my keyboard/guitar player (doug at mindsearstudio dot com) and he'll be glad to answer any questions. He plays one with our band Standing Hampton (www.standinghampton.com). We play 60 plus gigs a year and as far as I know, he's had no problems. As with all modeling systems, it won't convert the die hard tone junkies, but for versatility, and rig simplification, it's killer. I personally think it does a decent job of emulating different guitars. Tony "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:4578fe97@linux... > > Wondering if these make the cool giggin' guitar they appear to be (looking > at starting a 2 man ac gtr act). > > Anyone got one/use one/played one/heard one? > > > Mucho Gracias > AA >Hi Paul, I've played it through a mesa 4x12, and my custom built 4x12/celstion cab, but I've been wanting to go THD for the last few months. I'm going to be getting 2 THD 2x12 cabs …
creator: Carl Amburn
date: 2006-11-10T23:55:56-00:00

Re: cubase 2.0 vst instrument rendering question
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description: /> They're out till "sometime after christmas" though...I had the same idea..rats. Rod "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >Hi guys, >Do you remember a few months ago we were discussing the new Beatles book >that had just been released? >Well I can't remember where to get it from, and my wife want's to get it for >me for Christmas. >Any recollections, please. >TIA >-- >Martin Harrington >www.lendanear-sound.com > >It is an amazing book. "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote: > >www.recordingthebeatles.com >They're out till "sometime after christmas" though...I had the same idea..rats. > >Rod >"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >>Hi guys, >>Do you remember a few months ago we were discussing the new Beatles book > >>that had just been released? >>Well I can't remember where to get it from, and my wife want's to get it >for >>me for Christmas. >>Any recollections, please. >>TIA >>-- >>Martin Harrington >>www.lendanear-sound.com >> >> >What kind of speaker cab are you running with it? I bought one on EBay the other day and it should get here today. Looking forward to checking it out. Hope I like it as much as your do. TC <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote: > >Hi Thad, > >Torry here (TC), I'm the guy who bought your RME stuff from you a couple years back.. > >That was me who bought the Orange Tiny Terror (I almost typed "Tiny Tim" :-), unless >Don did also. > >I bought this on site after trying it in the store, but it was one of those "wow" moments, >I was >not shopping for amps at the time. > >It sounds fabulous. Warm, big, smooth. We a/b'd it with a larger Orange head (can't >remember the model) through >a Mesa 4x12, and it sounded noticeable fatter than it's larger sibling. > >Tons of gain, but not ugly, harmonics and overtones come through nicely. It reminds >me a bit of an older modded Fender Reverb >that we once rented for the studio. > >The cleans are nice. It probably won't match a AC30 for that, but still very usabl…
creator: neil[1]
date: 2006-11-11T00:41:55-00:00