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Levels and summing
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description: , which one do >> you like better? >> >> NeilFor the price, you can't get any better. Is it not for official sale in EU???? I buyed mine official in Cobenhagen the first year it came out and am using it daily, together with Paris. I am using "oceans" of Behringer products here and have used them for years without any problems at all, so the myth about how bad Behringer products are is just a myth for me, but not for Deej;-) I see the shops are selling it official in Cobenhagen. Erlilo &quot
creator: TCB
date: 2006-10-20T20:13:12-00:00

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description: 'll be = >>>taking. =20 >>> and I was hoping you networkers might help me >>> with that. I was thinking the = >>>onboard LAN in=20 >>>the ASUS A8R-MVPcomp #2 would do to a >>> onboard ASUS A7N8X-X LAN in = >>><FONT face=3DArial=20 >>>size=3D2>comp #3. I think a crossover cable should do = >>>since >>> I'm not on the internet with any of my >> = >>>music=20 >>>rigs. >>> >>> Aaron is there a speed/functionality = >>>issue with=20 >>>this? Remember 'simple' is good for me >>> as long as it works. >>> Tom >>> </F
creator: animix
date: 2006-10-20T20:45:14-00:00

Re: Levels and summing
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description: e see anything blatantly wrong >> = >>>with my=20 >>> design? I'm still Scoping it out! >>> Thanks for your = >>>input, >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight = >>>spam, and=20 >>> you? <A=20 >>> = >>>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer= >>>.html = >>> >>> >>> >> > >"Neil" <IOU@OIUOI.com> wrote: > >Three files total... one's a 'Mixed in SX, Summed in Paris' >mix, another is a straight-ahead SX 2-Buss Mix, and another >is an SX Stems Mix (note: NOT necessarily in the order I >just mentioned): > > http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipA.mp3 > > http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipB.mp3 > > http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipC.mp3 > > >They're fairly short... 1:14 each, just enough to get a touch of >instrumentation by itself, a portion with lead vox, then >background vox. They're Hi-Rez mp3's. > >Any guesses as to w
creator: John [1]
date: 2006-10-20T20:58:18-00:00

Re: Levels and summing
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description: hich is which? Or better yet, which one do >you like better? > >NeilI thought C was best, then B..A was kind of irritating ...harsh. I listened on Mackie 824's through wavelab. Rod "Neil" <IOU@OIUOI.com> wrote: > >Three files total... one's a 'Mixed in SX, Summed in Paris' >mix, another is a straight-ahead SX 2-Buss Mix, and another >is an SX Stems Mix (note: NOT necessarily in the order I >just mentioned): > > http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipA.mp3 > > http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipB.mp3 > ><a href=
creator: Don Nafe
date: 2006-10-20T21:02:09-00:00

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description: "http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experiment%20ClipC.mp3" target="_blank"> http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipC.mp3 > > >They're fairly short... 1:14 each, just enough to get a touch of >instrumentation by itself, a portion with lead vox, then >background vox. They're Hi-Rez mp3's. > >Any guesses as to which is which? Or better yet, which one do >you like better? > >NeilKISS???..........not sure what this means but if it refers to simplifying things/using fewer of any particular device(s).....I wouldn't have a clue. ;) "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:45580ce0$1@linux... > Deej, I guess you don't subscribe to the KISS principal, huh? > -- > Martin Harrington > www.lendanear-sound.com > > "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:45580005$1@linux... > > You'd be surprised how many tracks can be accummulated when you've got 12 > > mics on a drum kit, three fiddles with a pair of mics on each one, a pair &g
creator: TCB
date: 2006-10-20T21:26:42-00:00

Re: Levels and summing
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description: riously! To be able to have the phase- > >> coherence of staying 2-track ITB all the way through, yet > >> getting better summing out of the whole deal, while retaining > >> the definititon & clarity up top (again, listen to mix "B" > >> guys... that's just an MP3 file and even at that resolution > >> you can STILL hear what 88.2k can do for you!) - that would > >> KILL. And I'd love it. > >> > >> > >> >Once my 3rd card comes in, I'll get around to doing something > >> >similar and post it up. > >> > >> Why do you need three cards? What the hell are you doing with > >> that bluegrass stuff you've been recording... turning it into > >> a damn 60-track symphony? POST SOME CLIPS NOW! lol > >> > >> Neil > >> > > > > > >>Can't do it... Even if I had a couple of Paris ADAT cards, I couldn't do it... how would I get from my 88.2k samplerate coming out of my ADAT outs, to the 44.1k Paris ADAT protocol?< But that's the next test Neil. Track the whole project all over again at 44.1 *exactly* as was previously done at 88.2. ;o) "Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4557fb52$1@linux... > > "DJ" <<a hr
creator: John [1]
date: 2006-10-20T23:28:24-00:00

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description: the mix was a dead > >giveaway but I was soooooo hoping that C was the native ITB > >mix. You don't know how much. ;o) > > I know, the whole "two-computer" thing is a clusterfuck, no > matter what... just this somewhat simple experiment took me > quite awhile to set up, and then youre dealing with stuff > like: "OK, so I have to monitor through Paris for the analog > summing part, but then what do I do with the other mixes? > Repatch my monitors? Re-route through my VST outputs? OK, so > I guess I'll just save three different versions of this one > project, then" lol > > >I think you would have a bit more detail and depth to the > >soundstage on mix C if you were streaming the tracks over ADAT > >into Paris rather than the AD/DA conversion > > Can't do it... Even if I had a couple of Paris ADAT cards, I > couldn't do it... how would I get from my 88.2k samplerate > coming out of my ADAT outs, to the 44.1k Paris ADAT protocol? > > >Thanks for taking the time to do this test Neil. Guess my ears > >haven't been playing tricks on me recently. > > No prob! > > >I think you may have a nice surprise when you get the Pulsar > >card. I think you're going to have something closer to a > >cross between mix B & C. > > That would RAWK - seriously! To be able to have the phase- > coherence of staying 2-track ITB all the way through, yet > getting better summing out of the whole deal, while retaining > the definititon & clarity up top (again, listen to mix "B" > guys... that's just an MP3 file and even at that resolution > you can STILL hear what 88.2k can do for you!) - that would > KILL. And I'd love it. > > > >Once my 3rd card comes in, I'll get around to doing something > >similar and post it up. > > Why do you need three cards? What the hell are you doing with > that bluegrass stuff you've been recording... turning it into > a damn 60-track symphony?
creator: chuck duffy
date: 2006-10-21T00:07:18-00:00

Re: Levels and summing
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description: POST SOME CLIPS NOW! lol > > Neil >For running networked computers and multiple displays with a single mouse/keyboard combo there's a cute little app called "Synergy" -- shareware, I think... Been using if for a couple years now, no grief. -- it was a Brian T pick, so you know it's "geek certified." chas. On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:10:35 -0500, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote: >James, >Tell us what you know?!!! >Tom > > "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45576cdc$1@linux... > > "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote: > > > >Hey Jeff... > > > >No, I don't have a spare one laying around anymore - the one I > >did have was cannibalized to build the Paris PC. I don't know > >if I really want to a third one to the mix - I'm trying to > >figure out how to configure this additional stuff now > >(**physically** configure, I mean - not configuring connections, > >etc.), so I don't know if I'd even have a good place to put > >another PC; although you're right, that could be an inexpensive > >way to go about it - I could pick up a cheapie e-machines brand > >or equivalent for in the slightly over $300 range. > > > >That'll definitely be something to consider if I end up going > >through dual-ASIO-driver hell on the main PC. > > There are ways to remotely access the other system through software and > a network connection, the KMV may not be necessary. > > James > > > > >Neil > > > > > >Jeff hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote: > >>Neil, > >> > >>Kind of a neophyte on all this stuff, but what about picking up a low > >>end pc just for multiface control(or you may have one in your back > >>room). Still just starting with the multiface thing myself, but I doubt > > > >>it takes any power to run Totalmix, and that would get around the > >>"confguration lost when power's off" if you run the multifaces <br /
creator: chuck duffy
date: 2006-10-21T00:08:54-00:00

Re: Levels and summing
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description: gt;> be enough for basic trax. > >>> > >>> 2.) The second issue I'll be dealing with by keeping the RME > >>> convertors can be summed up in this simple phrase: > >>> TWO ASIO DRIVERS... need I say more? > >>> Well, we'll see how that goes, as well... maybe I can still use > >>> the Multifaces & their own drivers for tracking, enabling me to > >>> have all the inputs I need & not worry about interfacing the > >>> Multifaces with the Pulsar card, and then release those drivers > >>> for mixdown & incorporate the Pulsar Card at that point.... not > >>> sure how well that'll work, but I guess I'm gonna try it. > >>> > >>> In any event, I've just been messing with the Paris summing > >>> thing right now. Got Paris up & running first time & > >>> everything's working fine... had some routing problems with my > >>> RME's, though... for some odd reason I no longer have Output > >>> #4! Switched the two Multifaces around, swapped out PCI cards & > >>> even PCI slots, still nothing... it's showing up as "active" > >>> and "visible" in the 'Device Setup' menu, too; but no matter > >>> what configuration I try, I just simply do not have Analog Out > >>> #4 any more... weird. I don't know when this might have > >>> happened, because I haven't needed to use that before. > >>> > >>> If anyone can give me a hint as to what I might try, I'd > >>> appreciate it! > >>> > >>> In any event, I'm using 4 sets of stereo analog outs, going > >>> into the Paris 8-in module, and monitoring off the MEC... what > >>> do I think so far? Well, there's definitely a difference vs. > >>> mixing ITB on a 2-buss Native mix, as I suspected there would > >>> be. Does it sound better than a straight 2-buss Native mix? > >>> Yeah, I think so in a way... I'm definitely losing some high > >>> end, but it sounds bigger - won't be able to tell for sure > >>> until I a/b them, but those are my initital impressions. To me > >>> it sounds much like what you'd get if you stemmed out four or > >>> five stereo sub…
creator: chuck duffy
date: 2006-10-21T00:11:24-00:00

Re: Levels and summing
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description: > > >>standlone. The multifaces would be relegated to basically just A/D > >>converters, but it sounds like that's what you want. Just use a KVM > >>switch (cheap one) to get to the piece occasionally if there is issues. > >> > >>Just a thought > >> > >> > >>Jeff > >> > >>Neil wrote: > >>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>>Hey Neil, > >>>> > >>>>Feel free to give me a call if you hit any snags with the Pulsar. > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's not > >>> scheduled to get here until late next week, actually, so it > >>> won't be right away that I need to take you up on it if I have > >>> problems. > >>> > >>> > >>>>I've been test driving mine some more today and I'm still > >>>>liking it a lot. > >>> > >>> > >>> What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait, that's > >>> tomorrow - Sunday) :D j/k! > >>> > >>> BTW I decided to get the Professional card (instead of the > >>> Project card) for more DSP, and I passed on the convertors > >>> (their A16ultra box), since I didn't want to dump too much > >>> money into this experiment if it didn't work out. In talking to > >>> Gary, he wasn't sure if I'd be able to sum as many channels as > >>> I'm running, plus a couple of 'verbs, plus a few channels of > >>> dynamics at 88.2k/24-bit with the Project card. Then I got a > >>> lecture about using 88.2k in the first place... you know - the > >>> whole "you can't hear it once you convert to 44.1 for CD's > >>> anyway, and then you also get aliasing when you do, and in the > >>> meanwhile you're using too many DSP & CPU resources" - blah, > >>> blah, blah, yada, yada, yada... tell it to Rupert Neve & Geoff > >>> Emerick (you know, the story Ruper
creator: John [1]
date: 2006-10-21T00:19:14-00:00

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